WEBVTT - PFF’s Trevor Sikkema Analyzes Bucs 2024 Draft Class | Tampa Bay Buccaneers 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:02.720 Greeting's Buccaneer fans. I'm Scott Smith, and I'm joined today 0:00:02.759 --> 0:00:04.960 by a guest that many of you are surely very 0:00:05.040 --> 0:00:07.280 familiar with. He came up through the Bucks speed. I mean, 0:00:07.320 --> 0:00:09.959 his Twitter handle is still Tampa Bay Tray. I think 0:00:10.160 --> 0:00:12.160 I think you still support the Bay Area teams. Of course. 0:00:12.160 --> 0:00:15.200 I'm talking about Trevor Sikima, who is now the lead 0:00:15.280 --> 0:00:18.200 draft analyst for Pro Football Focus, which is quite a gig. 0:00:18.520 --> 0:00:21.040 Also a co host with Connor Rodgers of NBC Sports 0:00:21.079 --> 0:00:24.479 of a very good and very popular draft related podcast 0:00:24.560 --> 0:00:27.120 called The NFL Stock Exchange. Personally, it's a muscle listen 0:00:27.160 --> 0:00:29.479 for me. Check it out, Trevor, Thanks for your time. 0:00:29.320 --> 0:00:32.040 Man, Scott is so good to be with you. Man. 0:00:32.040 --> 0:00:34.200 I'm excited to dig into the Bucks class a little 0:00:34.200 --> 0:00:34.680 bit here with you. 0:00:34.840 --> 0:00:37.600 Yeah yeah, welcome back to your roots. Tell us a 0:00:37.640 --> 0:00:39.680 little bit before we get into the Bucks. What's next 0:00:39.680 --> 0:00:42.239 for the Stock Exchange and the stuff you're putting up 0:00:42.240 --> 0:00:43.360 on Pro Football Focus. 0:00:43.680 --> 0:00:43.920 Yeah. 0:00:44.040 --> 0:00:46.839 No, it's been a really exciting draft season and you know, 0:00:46.920 --> 0:00:48.720 to kind of your your your first point there. 0:00:48.760 --> 0:00:50.559 It's always great. I always love. 0:00:50.600 --> 0:00:52.960 Getting to come back and talk about Bucks football because 0:00:53.159 --> 0:00:55.040 you know, ever since the Pewter Report days and I 0:00:55.080 --> 0:00:57.160 was covering this team with Scott Reynolds and Mark Cook 0:00:57.200 --> 0:00:57.920 and everybody there. 0:00:59.280 --> 0:01:00.959 You know, you cover the league. 0:01:00.800 --> 0:01:02.720 Nationally, you go from that to kind of covering from 0:01:02.720 --> 0:01:04.679 a national perspective, and I just don't get to talk 0:01:04.680 --> 0:01:06.480 about the Bucks nearly as much. And I definitely but 0:01:06.560 --> 0:01:08.080 I get to go on shows like this. It's sort 0:01:08.120 --> 0:01:10.640 of therapeutic for me. I get to actually talk about 0:01:10.680 --> 0:01:12.920 the Bucks more. But no, this dock has change. 0:01:12.920 --> 0:01:13.320 Has been great. 0:01:13.319 --> 0:01:15.640 It has been an awesome year covering the NFL draft 0:01:15.640 --> 0:01:17.440 of Connor, who is one of my favorite just people 0:01:17.480 --> 0:01:18.840 in the industry and people in the world. So it's 0:01:18.880 --> 0:01:19.959 a lot of fun for me to be able to 0:01:20.000 --> 0:01:22.639 do that. You're a couple of weeks off after the draft. 0:01:22.680 --> 0:01:25.520 Grades episode kind of came out last week, and we're 0:01:25.560 --> 0:01:29.120 going to dig into twenty twenty five prospects when we 0:01:29.120 --> 0:01:31.640 get into summer scouting in June and July, and then 0:01:31.800 --> 0:01:33.960 once training camp kind of gets closer, we'll kind of 0:01:33.959 --> 0:01:36.360 talk about some of the guys in twenty twenty for 0:01:36.400 --> 0:01:37.959 how they're doing in training camp, what we could see 0:01:38.040 --> 0:01:38.840 from this upcoming year. 0:01:38.880 --> 0:01:40.480 So a lot of pack stuff this summer for sure. 0:01:40.520 --> 0:01:42.600 All right, we'll just dive into the Bucks draft. First 0:01:42.600 --> 0:01:44.320 of all, can you believe Jason lt didn't make any 0:01:44.319 --> 0:01:47.080 trades the whole weekend? I mean, this first time he's 0:01:47.080 --> 0:01:47.600 ever done that. 0:01:48.720 --> 0:01:50.280 It's the first time he's never made a trade, is 0:01:50.320 --> 0:01:50.600 that really? 0:01:50.600 --> 0:01:52.560 The first time? In eleven dress all he had to 0:01:52.560 --> 0:01:54.200 do was call it the Eagles. They surely would have 0:01:54.280 --> 0:01:56.840 done something, but yeah, not one trade, just sat there 0:01:56.880 --> 0:01:57.360 at each pick. 0:01:57.680 --> 0:01:59.880 It is funny because when I think about Jason, I 0:02:00.200 --> 0:02:02.880 know how much he loves the draft. So you know, 0:02:02.960 --> 0:02:06.160 some people will, you know, like the national people that 0:02:06.200 --> 0:02:08.440 I talked to, they'll be like, oh, maybe Tampa is 0:02:08.480 --> 0:02:10.200 going to be this team to get really aggressive and 0:02:10.240 --> 0:02:12.080 like jump all the way up from twenty six to 0:02:12.320 --> 0:02:14.640 I don't know, like seven or eight or something like that. 0:02:14.680 --> 0:02:16.280 And I was like, probably not, because. 0:02:16.120 --> 0:02:18.560 Jason loves the draft too much and I don't want 0:02:18.560 --> 0:02:19.320 to give up. 0:02:19.360 --> 0:02:20.320 All those draft picks. 0:02:20.320 --> 0:02:23.000 He's just his team building philosophy has always been through 0:02:23.000 --> 0:02:26.480 the draft. So I never really associate trades with what 0:02:26.520 --> 0:02:28.240 the Bucks do, But now that you say it, they 0:02:28.280 --> 0:02:30.880 do a lot of those little trades two day three, 0:02:30.960 --> 0:02:32.760 something like that, so that's funny that they didn't make 0:02:32.760 --> 0:02:33.880 a single trade this year. Yeah. 0:02:33.960 --> 0:02:36.280 So well, Graham Barton the first round pick for the 0:02:36.320 --> 0:02:39.880 Buccaneers Duke center. Two questions there. Did you see that coming? 0:02:40.120 --> 0:02:41.600 And did you think it was the right pick? 0:02:42.280 --> 0:02:42.520 Yeah. 0:02:42.560 --> 0:02:44.639 I don't mean to kind of like too my own 0:02:44.680 --> 0:02:46.480 horn here and say that I called this year out, 0:02:46.480 --> 0:02:48.560 because I'm definitely not saying that that was the case. 0:02:48.600 --> 0:02:51.960 But when I watched Graham Barton during summer scouting a 0:02:52.040 --> 0:02:54.799 year ago, I just looked at the type of player 0:02:54.880 --> 0:02:59.040 that he was, the positional flexibility that he had, that 0:02:59.120 --> 0:03:02.920 mentality had both for pass blocking and run blocking, just 0:03:02.919 --> 0:03:04.760 how he wanted to be a finisher, he played through 0:03:04.760 --> 0:03:07.400 the whistle, just his play style, his balance, all of 0:03:07.400 --> 0:03:09.679 that stuff, and I went, man, you know, people talk 0:03:09.720 --> 0:03:11.840 about him as the left tackle the Duke Blue Devils, 0:03:11.840 --> 0:03:14.200 but he'll probably be an interior offensive lineman at the 0:03:14.280 --> 0:03:17.079 NFL level. That in and of itself is very much 0:03:17.080 --> 0:03:20.639 what Jason Light has gravitated towards you, Ali, Marpett, Cody 0:03:20.720 --> 0:03:23.520 mak Alex Kappa. Right, so many of these guys who 0:03:23.600 --> 0:03:26.600 played tackle in college, who kicked inside and had a 0:03:26.600 --> 0:03:30.320 lot of success at that level, and I looked at 0:03:30.360 --> 0:03:32.799 him last summer I was like, I have no idea 0:03:32.840 --> 0:03:34.639 if this is possible. I have no idea if the 0:03:34.680 --> 0:03:36.880 Bucks are even going to want an interior offensive lineman. 0:03:37.160 --> 0:03:39.240 But I bet he'd be a player that Jason light 0:03:39.280 --> 0:03:42.480 would gravitate towards. So, you know, a week ago, or 0:03:42.520 --> 0:03:45.560 I should say a week prior to the draft, when 0:03:45.640 --> 0:03:47.880 Jason did his pre draft press conference and he said, hey, 0:03:47.880 --> 0:03:49.960 we got about five to seven players that we would 0:03:50.000 --> 0:03:52.800 be comfortable with at twenty six, I'd bet my bottom 0:03:52.840 --> 0:03:55.280 dollar that Graham Barton was going to be one of 0:03:55.320 --> 0:03:56.120 those players. 0:03:56.160 --> 0:03:56.360 Now. 0:03:56.600 --> 0:03:57.720 Didn't know if he was going to make it to 0:03:57.760 --> 0:04:00.440 twenty six. Obviously, they talked about them being shock that 0:04:00.480 --> 0:04:02.080 he did. But I think he's a perfect fit for 0:04:02.120 --> 0:04:03.520 what they want, right, I mean, like I think that 0:04:03.560 --> 0:04:07.040 they've obviously Tristan Wurf's is an All Pro offensive tackle 0:04:07.080 --> 0:04:09.080 and he's a mainstay there. It was great to see 0:04:09.200 --> 0:04:11.280 deck You get better last year. Cody Mack is obviously 0:04:11.320 --> 0:04:13.320 coming along as well. But there are a couple of 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:15.040 upgrades that they could have made it along the interior 0:04:15.040 --> 0:04:18.040 offensive line, maybe at Guarden, maybe at center, and Barton 0:04:18.279 --> 0:04:20.160 has the ability to play both. I know people kind 0:04:20.200 --> 0:04:21.960 of talked about, okay, his announce as a center, they'll 0:04:21.960 --> 0:04:24.520 probably start him at that center spot, But in reality, 0:04:24.600 --> 0:04:27.479 he's one of thost flexible interior offensive linemen who sure, 0:04:27.520 --> 0:04:29.560 in twenty twenty four he might be playing one spot 0:04:29.560 --> 0:04:31.520 for you, but in twenty twenty five it might be 0:04:31.520 --> 0:04:33.080 a different one. And I still think that he's going 0:04:33.120 --> 0:04:35.520 to be able to maintain that high level of play. 0:04:35.600 --> 0:04:37.360 So I did like Barton a good amount. 0:04:37.400 --> 0:04:40.159 He's been a pretty much a top forty player for 0:04:40.240 --> 0:04:41.919 me since the moment that I watched him. He was 0:04:41.960 --> 0:04:43.920 somebody that I felt could be a late first early 0:04:43.960 --> 0:04:46.200 second round pick depending on where the overall hype from 0:04:46.240 --> 0:04:48.640 the league was going to place him. And so for 0:04:48.720 --> 0:04:50.279 him going to Tampa, I think it's a really great 0:04:50.279 --> 0:04:52.280 spot and he feels like a Buccaneers fit. 0:04:52.320 --> 0:04:52.880 He really does. 0:04:53.279 --> 0:04:55.520 I would imagine you could probably recite the Bucks entire 0:04:55.640 --> 0:04:58.000 draft for all the attention you paid too and for 0:04:58.040 --> 0:05:00.440 every team probably. So when you look at the draft 0:05:00.440 --> 0:05:02.599 as a whole, all seven players, is there one that 0:05:02.680 --> 0:05:05.640 sticks out as a particularly good value or a steal? 0:05:06.800 --> 0:05:08.760 Yeah, I mean there's there's a couple that I like 0:05:08.960 --> 0:05:11.680 you know, and it's and it's more of you know, 0:05:11.720 --> 0:05:13.240 when I do this, I'll do a big board, and 0:05:13.240 --> 0:05:15.560 I'll have these players ranked in certain spots. But it's 0:05:15.560 --> 0:05:17.080 always kind of tricky, you know, when I do these 0:05:17.160 --> 0:05:20.599 draft grades. You know, sometimes, for example, like a player 0:05:20.680 --> 0:05:23.159 might get drafted in the sixties and I might have 0:05:23.320 --> 0:05:27.000 him ranked in like eighties nineties on my board, but 0:05:27.320 --> 0:05:30.240 the fit might be fantastic, and so I'm not necessarily 0:05:30.279 --> 0:05:32.520 going to say, Okay, well I had him ranked twenty 0:05:32.600 --> 0:05:35.360 spots lower, and I'm going to like ding this team 0:05:35.760 --> 0:05:38.760 this team for it on their draft grade. If I 0:05:38.839 --> 0:05:40.320 like the fit, then I like the fit. Like I 0:05:40.400 --> 0:05:42.120 like that player going to that spot. I could actually 0:05:42.120 --> 0:05:43.919 see them working out really well. When I look at 0:05:43.960 --> 0:05:46.719 a player like Jaylen McMillan, the wide receiver from Washington 0:05:47.320 --> 0:05:49.919 wide receiver was kind of a sneaky need for the 0:05:49.920 --> 0:05:52.600 Buccaneers's just long term, you know, I don't think it's 0:05:52.640 --> 0:05:54.920 you know, obviously with with Mike and Chris there, they're 0:05:54.960 --> 0:05:57.359 going to get the lion's share of the targets in 0:05:57.360 --> 0:05:59.880 the passing game, but long term, two three years down 0:05:59.880 --> 0:06:01.680 the road, you don't know where this team's exactly going 0:06:01.720 --> 0:06:03.320 to be So it's why you got guys like Trey 0:06:03.360 --> 0:06:05.720 Palmer's why you draft the guy like Jalen McMillan to say, hey, 0:06:05.760 --> 0:06:07.080 you know, if we happen to move on from one 0:06:07.120 --> 0:06:08.880 of these guys sooner than maybe we thought we were 0:06:08.880 --> 0:06:10.440 going to, we're gonna be all right because we already 0:06:10.440 --> 0:06:12.520 got these guys in the farm system, if you will. 0:06:12.760 --> 0:06:16.800 McMillan to me is somebody who was really impressed with 0:06:16.839 --> 0:06:21.680 at the college level because Washington continued to emphasize him 0:06:21.680 --> 0:06:24.440 in the passing game. And we have a metric at 0:06:24.440 --> 0:06:28.359 PFF that we call threat and it's basically wide receiver usage. 0:06:28.680 --> 0:06:32.279 How often are you getting targeted when you are running 0:06:32.320 --> 0:06:34.680 a route on the field in a passing concept That 0:06:34.760 --> 0:06:38.000 shows how much the offense emphasizes you when they are 0:06:38.000 --> 0:06:42.159 passing the football. Despite Washington having Romo Doonsay and Jalen Polk, 0:06:42.520 --> 0:06:45.000 Jalen McMillan still got a decent amount of the touches. 0:06:45.040 --> 0:06:46.760 They still wanted to get this guy the ball in 0:06:46.800 --> 0:06:49.279 his hands. And I felt like, just because he was 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:51.760 in a same class with those two other receivers, it 0:06:51.800 --> 0:06:54.039 was probably gonna push McMillan down just because he wasn't 0:06:54.040 --> 0:06:56.200 going to get that hype, but I really felt like 0:06:56.440 --> 0:06:59.160 where the Bucks drafted him, I thought that was a 0:06:59.200 --> 0:07:00.920 steal kind of at that back into the third round, 0:07:00.960 --> 0:07:02.600 I think that he could be really valuable for him 0:07:02.600 --> 0:07:04.400 And when I look at this class overall, that's the 0:07:04.400 --> 0:07:06.960 one that I think, Man, there is a path where 0:07:07.360 --> 0:07:09.520 he could really come in handy if the team's in 0:07:09.560 --> 0:07:11.440 a financial pinch, or if one of those top two 0:07:11.440 --> 0:07:13.840 guys ends up going down or leaving a team in 0:07:13.880 --> 0:07:15.720 a couple of years, whatever it is, I think McMillan 0:07:15.760 --> 0:07:16.800 could fill in pretty nicely. 0:07:17.200 --> 0:07:19.560 You know, our new wide receivers coach set on Monday 0:07:19.600 --> 0:07:22.080 that Chris Godwin is going to go back to playing 0:07:22.120 --> 0:07:24.520 primarily in the slot after his role kind of changed 0:07:24.560 --> 0:07:27.560 last year, and that he felt Jalen McMillan could play 0:07:27.600 --> 0:07:30.680 the ZX or the F And I know you certainly 0:07:30.760 --> 0:07:32.880 watched his tape and saw that they he almost played 0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:35.920 exclusively out of the slot at Washington. But given his 0:07:36.520 --> 0:07:38.640 skill set, you see him being able to thrive on 0:07:38.680 --> 0:07:39.760 the outside. Yeah. 0:07:39.800 --> 0:07:41.520 I think so too, just because he's such a smart 0:07:41.520 --> 0:07:42.080 wide receiver. 0:07:42.200 --> 0:07:44.120 Right. The thing that I like the most about McMillan 0:07:44.320 --> 0:07:46.320 and The reason why he had so much success from 0:07:46.320 --> 0:07:49.080 the slot is you give him that flexibility in that 0:07:49.160 --> 0:07:50.960 space and he knows what to do with it. Right. 0:07:51.160 --> 0:07:53.040 It's not just the slot. 0:07:53.080 --> 0:07:56.120 Isn't this thing where it's like a cure for all 0:07:56.160 --> 0:07:58.240 wide receivers where you just go, oh, okay, they're not 0:07:58.280 --> 0:08:00.120 great at the boundary, let's put him in the slot. 0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:02.960 They'll be great when you're in the slot. You have to, 0:08:03.000 --> 0:08:05.720 in fact, be able to manage space even better. You 0:08:06.280 --> 0:08:08.320 have to anticipate when space is going to open up. 0:08:08.360 --> 0:08:11.000 Those soft spots in the zone. They don't just exist 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:13.640 for everybody, you know, unless you really do what you 0:08:13.680 --> 0:08:15.600 need to do to kind of manipulate the leverage of 0:08:15.840 --> 0:08:19.520 where linebackers or corners or safeties are lined up. They're 0:08:19.520 --> 0:08:22.280 not just gonna give you the space just because you've 0:08:22.320 --> 0:08:24.520 still got to You gotta be a little savvy. You 0:08:24.520 --> 0:08:25.920 got to have a little nuanced to what you do. 0:08:26.000 --> 0:08:28.400 So McMillan, to me is a really smart football player 0:08:28.400 --> 0:08:31.520 in regards to how he finds that open space. I 0:08:31.560 --> 0:08:35.280 think that can exist as a spot and as a flanker, 0:08:35.280 --> 0:08:37.000 as that Z player. You're not gonna want him on 0:08:37.080 --> 0:08:39.720 as an X because he's just not really that big, strong, 0:08:39.760 --> 0:08:41.720 on the line of scrimmage type of a wide receiver. 0:08:41.960 --> 0:08:43.920 But I like him anytime he gets to be off 0:08:43.920 --> 0:08:46.240 the line of scrimmage if you want him on the outside, 0:08:46.280 --> 0:08:48.920 because that also becomes a player that you can move 0:08:48.960 --> 0:08:51.400 around in pre snap motion sets, and I think he's 0:08:51.400 --> 0:08:53.640 got a lot of versatility and high football IQ to 0:08:53.679 --> 0:08:54.800 be able to utilize that too. 0:08:55.200 --> 0:08:58.280 Speaking of the slot I've been stumping for, I believe 0:08:58.280 --> 0:09:00.480 the NFL needs changing the name of the position on 0:09:00.559 --> 0:09:03.000 defense from slot corner to something that doesn't have the 0:09:03.000 --> 0:09:05.480 word corner in it, because more and more you're seeing 0:09:05.600 --> 0:09:08.959 players that are nominally called safeties but did a lot 0:09:09.000 --> 0:09:11.000 of that slot work in college, and they they're brought 0:09:11.000 --> 0:09:13.600 in specifically to do that, even if they're called safety. Now. 0:09:13.600 --> 0:09:16.439 I know the Bucks really really liked that Michigan corner 0:09:16.480 --> 0:09:19.280 Mikey Saint Bristol, and he went off the board before 0:09:19.280 --> 0:09:22.200 the Bucks in the second round. But I've heard Tykee 0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:24.800 Smith of Georgia described as a similar type of player, 0:09:25.080 --> 0:09:27.040 and I'm pretty sure he's going to get a slot 0:09:27.080 --> 0:09:29.880 in the a shot in the slot right away, and 0:09:29.960 --> 0:09:32.000 that is that? Was that a pick you liked and 0:09:32.280 --> 0:09:33.280 will he be able to handle that? 0:09:33.720 --> 0:09:36.520 Yeah, this is definitely a pick that I liked. And 0:09:36.920 --> 0:09:40.200 when I watched Tyke Smith, wait, sorry, as my dog barking, 0:09:40.240 --> 0:09:42.480 can you hear that? Well? That's okay, okay, all right, 0:09:42.480 --> 0:09:47.000 all right, I'm I'm just making sure. So I really 0:09:47.040 --> 0:09:48.920 like Tyke Smith. And when you look at his background, 0:09:48.920 --> 0:09:51.040 he played more primarily safety when he was at West 0:09:51.120 --> 0:09:53.120 Virginia and then when he came over to Georgia, he 0:09:53.320 --> 0:09:55.760 was that slot defender. And there's a couple of different 0:09:55.800 --> 0:09:57.720 names that you have for like in college football they 0:09:57.720 --> 0:09:59.880 call it a little bit of different things, Like sometimes 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:02.680 see defenses call it a star position, which I think 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:06.560 is aptly named because that player is sometimes integral to 0:10:06.720 --> 0:10:10.000 exactly everything else that you do in coverage. So you know, 0:10:10.240 --> 0:10:14.520 for this player that Tyke Smith was for Georgia, he 0:10:14.679 --> 0:10:19.720 was a more powerful, like bigger, stronger nickel defender where 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:24.000 sometimes it feels as though teams have to pick and choose. Right, Okay, 0:10:24.200 --> 0:10:27.280 do we want a true safety to try to play 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:29.720 as our over hang in our nickel defender, because if so, 0:10:30.400 --> 0:10:33.719 then the quicker wide receivers might give him fits? All right, 0:10:33.760 --> 0:10:36.440 do we want a smaller corner to play that nickel 0:10:36.480 --> 0:10:39.080 defender role because if so, then if a team puts 0:10:39.080 --> 0:10:41.360 a tight end at that spot, man, then we're really 0:10:41.360 --> 0:10:44.240 getting a mismatch when it comes to size. Tyke Smith, 0:10:44.320 --> 0:10:46.400 to me, gives you a little bit. 0:10:46.320 --> 0:10:47.600 Of that best of both worlds. 0:10:47.679 --> 0:10:49.880 Now, I didn't have him ranked as high as I 0:10:49.920 --> 0:10:54.480 did Mike Sandristoll, but Smith really does kind of bring 0:10:54.520 --> 0:10:57.320 that to the table where he has the strength to 0:10:57.320 --> 0:10:59.079 match up against tight ends, and I think he's got 0:10:59.080 --> 0:11:02.080 the foot quickness against all different types of receivers as well. 0:11:02.360 --> 0:11:05.120 So that's why you gravitate towards a player like this 0:11:05.240 --> 0:11:09.360 because he can be, in theory, a one size fits 0:11:09.400 --> 0:11:11.559 all nickel defender. And as they say at this point 0:11:11.600 --> 0:11:13.840 in the NFL, nickel is the new bass. You're playing 0:11:13.920 --> 0:11:15.800 nickel more than sixty percent of the time, So you've 0:11:15.800 --> 0:11:17.240 got to have a good player that you can rely 0:11:17.320 --> 0:11:19.000 on in that spot, and I think Tykee Smith can 0:11:19.040 --> 0:11:19.240 be that. 0:11:19.600 --> 0:11:21.120 Okay, I'm not going to make it go down each 0:11:21.160 --> 0:11:22.760 pick one by one, but I do want to hear 0:11:22.800 --> 0:11:25.600 your thoughts on Bucky Irving, the fourth round running back 0:11:25.640 --> 0:11:28.319 out of Oregon, a guy that I think the butser 0:11:28.400 --> 0:11:30.679 hoping can really take a good chunk of the role 0:11:30.760 --> 0:11:33.360 right away, because they don't really necessarily want Rashaan White 0:11:33.440 --> 0:11:36.200 to lead all NFL running backs and snaps again this year. 0:11:36.240 --> 0:11:39.320 So what do you think of his fit in what 0:11:39.320 --> 0:11:41.200 the Buccaneers are trying to do and can he be 0:11:41.240 --> 0:11:41.960 a three down back? 0:11:42.760 --> 0:11:44.360 I love Bucky Irving, I really do. 0:11:44.640 --> 0:11:47.360 He was my RB five going into the draft, and 0:11:47.720 --> 0:11:50.439 I understand, Look, he's smaller. 0:11:50.120 --> 0:11:51.560 He didn't really test very well. 0:11:51.640 --> 0:11:53.880 Those are two things that normally go against you at 0:11:53.920 --> 0:11:57.440 a position that demands athleticism, like running back does. But 0:11:57.559 --> 0:12:01.880 there are two metrics that we we love to use 0:12:02.360 --> 0:12:05.000 when we are judging running backs going from college to 0:12:05.040 --> 0:12:09.040 the pros that sort of take away them from their 0:12:09.040 --> 0:12:11.480 offensive line, right because that's the ultimate question. When a 0:12:11.559 --> 0:12:13.680 running back is super productive, we go, yeah, it's just 0:12:13.679 --> 0:12:14.200 because he's. 0:12:14.040 --> 0:12:15.960 Behind one of the best offensive lines. You know, like 0:12:16.160 --> 0:12:16.600 who knows. 0:12:17.280 --> 0:12:21.920 These two metrics that we have can really take the 0:12:22.000 --> 0:12:23.880 running back away from that and we can see some 0:12:23.920 --> 0:12:28.240 more individual statistics from them. That is, misstackles, force per attempt. 0:12:28.440 --> 0:12:31.680 So how often you are making guys miss, whether that's 0:12:31.679 --> 0:12:33.560 in the backfield, whether it's at the line of scrimmage, 0:12:33.559 --> 0:12:35.560 whether it's when you get to the second level, how 0:12:35.600 --> 0:12:39.280 often are you making players miss? And then yards after contact, 0:12:39.320 --> 0:12:42.240 because no matter how your offensive line plays, you're probably 0:12:42.240 --> 0:12:44.599 gonna get contact somewhere. Is it in the backfield, is 0:12:44.640 --> 0:12:46.400 it the line of scrimmage, is it at the second level, 0:12:46.440 --> 0:12:47.480 is it to the sideline? 0:12:47.520 --> 0:12:49.280 Where is it? And how many yards do you get 0:12:49.600 --> 0:12:50.600 after that contact? 0:12:50.960 --> 0:12:54.880 Bucky Irving was above the ninetieth percentile in both of 0:12:54.880 --> 0:12:57.520 those metrics, and when it came to force miss tackles 0:12:57.559 --> 0:13:00.400 per attempt, he was in the one hundredth percentile. There 0:13:00.400 --> 0:13:03.280 are I don't know if many running backs at all 0:13:03.320 --> 0:13:06.080 that we have seen over the last five, six, seven 0:13:06.200 --> 0:13:08.560 years that have had the average that he has had. 0:13:08.600 --> 0:13:10.440 And so what we do when we get those percentiles 0:13:10.480 --> 0:13:12.640 is we kind of divide that up into the last 0:13:12.679 --> 0:13:14.720 couple of years of guys who went into the NFL 0:13:14.800 --> 0:13:17.400 draft and had successful seasons there. So when you look 0:13:17.440 --> 0:13:21.000 at Bucky Irving's numbers, he's fantastic outside of his offensive line. 0:13:21.040 --> 0:13:23.240 So that, to me is what the Bucks are probably 0:13:23.240 --> 0:13:26.880 looking for from him, is that one cut ability, the ability. 0:13:26.520 --> 0:13:27.600 To bounce off tackles. 0:13:27.679 --> 0:13:30.360 He has got a determined running style despite being a 0:13:30.400 --> 0:13:34.040 smaller player. Sure he's not going to hit the forty 0:13:34.120 --> 0:13:37.839 fifty sixty yard home run rushes for you, but you 0:13:37.920 --> 0:13:39.640 don't need that, and how often you really give the 0:13:39.720 --> 0:13:40.120 chance to. 0:13:40.040 --> 0:13:40.640 Be able to do that. 0:13:40.760 --> 0:13:43.240 You rather have a back that gets you a healthy 0:13:43.280 --> 0:13:45.800 four to five yards per carry every single time he 0:13:45.840 --> 0:13:48.679 touches the football, and that is the efficiency of the 0:13:48.760 --> 0:13:51.160 run game that I'm sure the Buccaneers were looking forward 0:13:51.160 --> 0:13:54.439 to increase, to always have out there where they believe 0:13:54.480 --> 0:13:56.560 or Shot White could be that guy. But again, like 0:13:56.640 --> 0:13:58.800 you said, you don't want to give this guy a 0:13:58.840 --> 0:14:01.320 million carries every single year. You want it to be 0:14:01.360 --> 0:14:03.120 a steady committee. You want to have somebody that you 0:14:03.160 --> 0:14:05.400 can lean on. And Rashad White and Bucky Irving, I 0:14:05.400 --> 0:14:08.320 think are two really nice backs to pair here in 0:14:08.320 --> 0:14:11.400 this backfield to expect some good efficiency and some good production. 0:14:11.679 --> 0:14:14.120 All right, Trevor, last question, I'm not coming into this 0:14:14.160 --> 0:14:16.280 one blind. I did listen to your podcast with the 0:14:16.320 --> 0:14:18.559 draft grades. I wasn't gonna risk having you on here 0:14:18.600 --> 0:14:20.960 and get slapping us with a D plus or something 0:14:21.000 --> 0:14:24.440 like that. So share with the Buccaneer fans the grade 0:14:24.440 --> 0:14:26.560 that you encounter gave the Buccaneers and why. 0:14:27.440 --> 0:14:29.840 I gave this an A and I gave the Buccaneers 0:14:29.880 --> 0:14:32.800 draft class an A because there's not much else that 0:14:32.840 --> 0:14:35.400 you really could have wanted from this draft pass. Like, sure, 0:14:35.480 --> 0:14:37.400 you could say I would have rather had this player 0:14:37.440 --> 0:14:40.880 than this player, but often the situations aren't really plausible 0:14:40.920 --> 0:14:42.320 for that to be the case. You know, when you 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:45.920 look at draft classes overall, I think of the context 0:14:45.920 --> 0:14:48.320 of where they were drafted and how they formulated this 0:14:48.440 --> 0:14:52.320 draft strategy specifically, and I thought the Buccaneers did a 0:14:52.360 --> 0:14:54.520 really great job. Chris Braswell, to me, is kind of 0:14:54.520 --> 0:14:57.280 the ultimate wild card. If Braswell really breaks out and 0:14:57.320 --> 0:15:00.760 he really plays well, then this is just an absolute home. 0:15:00.560 --> 0:15:01.480 Run of a draft. 0:15:01.640 --> 0:15:03.920 If Braswell is more of just you know, kind of 0:15:03.960 --> 0:15:06.960 just a rotational edge rusher, that speed, explosive player who 0:15:06.960 --> 0:15:09.000 gives you a lot of power as a two point 0:15:09.040 --> 0:15:11.720 outside linebacker, even if that's just what he is as 0:15:11.760 --> 0:15:15.360 a rotational player, this class can still be very impactful because, 0:15:15.600 --> 0:15:17.920 like the players that we went over already, Barton I 0:15:17.960 --> 0:15:20.240 think can be a starter, Tyke Smith can be a starter, 0:15:20.400 --> 0:15:22.600 Jayalen McMillan could be a starter. And if Braswell is 0:15:22.640 --> 0:15:25.640 another starter. I mean, for you to get four starters 0:15:25.680 --> 0:15:27.080 out of this class. 0:15:26.960 --> 0:15:28.520 To me, that's just an absolute home run. 0:15:28.560 --> 0:15:31.560 So I thought it was the exact type of draft 0:15:31.920 --> 0:15:34.080 that Tampa needed you could have. I mean I saw 0:15:34.120 --> 0:15:36.040 a lot of Bucks fans over the last month or 0:15:36.040 --> 0:15:38.760 so through out a lot of different mock drafts of 0:15:38.800 --> 0:15:40.640 you know, like, oh, what if they went edge rusher 0:15:40.640 --> 0:15:42.320 in the first round, or what if they went a 0:15:42.320 --> 0:15:44.680 different position in the first round, wide receiver, whatever it was. 0:15:44.720 --> 0:15:48.120 But for how the draft fell well to them, I 0:15:48.160 --> 0:15:50.160 think they did a great job, as Jason light has 0:15:50.200 --> 0:15:53.880 done for a while now, of identifying the guys that 0:15:53.920 --> 0:15:56.360 they can get at every spot with a look ahead 0:15:56.360 --> 0:15:58.680 at like, Okay, if we take this guy here, these 0:15:58.720 --> 0:16:01.240 are the positions that we can get maybe around from now, 0:16:01.400 --> 0:16:03.320 and you have a really good draft strategy to it. 0:16:03.680 --> 0:16:06.040 I think that this draft was a representation of a 0:16:06.120 --> 0:16:08.640 really good draft strategy relative to the players and the 0:16:08.640 --> 0:16:10.800