Speaker 1: Welcome in What'll Driving the Great Episode three sixty five.
Speaker 1: This episode, as always brought to you by our friends
Speaker 1: at boost Mobile. Demand's a rough weekend for me, no
Speaker 1: getting around it. And it started off so you know,
Speaker 1: rough weekends not even the right way to put it.
Speaker 1: It was just a rough Sunday. Because Friday was glorious
Speaker 1: doing the show live from Kansas City. It was an
Speaker 1: all timer, and then Saturday was wildly profitable, hopefully not
Speaker 1: just for me but for our listeners because the great
Speaker 1: Nick Shulman, the What's Right Boxing expert analyst correspondent, did
Speaker 1: an hour with us last week and gave us every
Speaker 1: single reason to bet Terrence Bud Crawford in an upset,
Speaker 1: and Terrence Bud Crawford dominated that five and we were
Speaker 1: rolling and even early Saturday after. It really is just
Speaker 1: the Chiefs game.
Speaker 2: Like what am I talking about?
Speaker 1: Like everything is just a Chiefs game. I got a
Speaker 1: little I feel unlucky with my five picks where I
Speaker 1: ended up going two and three this weekend. One of
Speaker 1: the losses was the Jags plus three and a half.
Speaker 1: They lost by four in a game they gave away
Speaker 1: just card in total Jagsy and fashion gave away, and
Speaker 1: another loss was Arizona laying six and a half. They're
Speaker 1: up twenty seven to eight. Late in the game, Like
Speaker 1: late late in the game, Kyler throws a pick, they
Speaker 1: allow a touchdown, they allow the what might be the
Speaker 1: only successful onside kick of the year, and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, not only do they not cover, they almost
Speaker 1: lost the game out right. But as the kids say,
Speaker 1: we move, we're gonna be okay. We'll get to all
Speaker 1: of that. You, on the other hand, just can't lose
Speaker 1: a teaser. Hitting price, You're hitting hitting player props left
Speaker 1: and right. You're just you're on fire over on the
Speaker 1: West Coast.
Speaker 2: I'm trying. I'm trying. Yeah, teasers look good any best
Speaker 2: this weekend. But but yeah.
Speaker 1: That's okay. The teaser looked good. You gave out a
Speaker 1: winning teaser. It's all you can hope for. I will say,
Speaker 1: this team, what's right in the million dollars Splash Sports Survivor.
Speaker 1: We had the Cardinals. We have now used the Jags
Speaker 1: and the Cardinals. We're two and zero. We're feeling good now.
Speaker 1: I will say almost everyone's feeling good about Survivor at
Speaker 1: this point because nobody's lost anything. Oh, one other note
Speaker 1: for the audience. I guess this is also for the
Speaker 1: Blue Duck folks, but it won't actually impact any of
Speaker 1: our schedules or anything. We are now we're going to
Speaker 1: go back to doing what we did at the beginning
Speaker 1: of the pod, where the pick show is released as
Speaker 1: a separate episode on Friday, So we'll be live Thursday.
Speaker 1: We will then also after we're live Thursday, do our
Speaker 1: pick show, you know what I mean, and then it
Speaker 1: will come out as its own standalone episode on Fridays.
Speaker 1: I know there was some confusion for folks who because
Speaker 1: we did that this week and I didn't tell you
Speaker 1: guys who listened to Thursday's episode and said where were
Speaker 1: the picks? They were released later as their own thing.
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Speaker 1: let's get right into it, straight to the voicemail brought
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Speaker 1: first few weeks for the skinny football players out there.
Speaker 1: Xavier Worthy's got his shoulder popped out, DeVante Smith looked
Speaker 1: like he might have gotten hurt in the Chiefs game,
Speaker 1: and Jayden Daniels dealing with a knee sprain. That is
Speaker 1: certainly something to monitor. It is, you know, fortunately for him,
Speaker 1: unfortunately for the rest of the league, not even close
Speaker 1: to the most dire of the quarterback injuries. This weekend,
Speaker 1: we'll get to that. Crawford defeats Canelo and gives himself
Speaker 1: a real argument that if you want to call him
Speaker 1: the best pound for pound fighter of your lifetime, you
Speaker 1: can make that case. Now he's forty two to zero.
Speaker 1: He basically jumped three weight classes to beat Canelo, and
Speaker 1: it was an all timer. And I didn't think the
Speaker 1: fight was as close as the judges did. And then
Speaker 1: the if I wasn't having a tough enough week, and
Speaker 1: I gotta be careful. You know, I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: take shots at the NFL, but NFL social media tweeting
Speaker 1: out never a doubt on what was the backbreaking touchdown
Speaker 1: for the Eagles over the Chiefs. Felt pointed and felt personal.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna be honest with you. Now, you can
Speaker 1: say that is egotistical. I don't think it is.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: I think that was very niche.
Speaker 2: That's niche right there.
Speaker 1: Well, whatever it is, I didn't love it. I gotta
Speaker 1: tell you. I didn't love it. And it felt like
Speaker 1: a low blow. Now maybe I'm just a little on
Speaker 1: tilt because of what happened in Chiefs Eagles. So Deman say,
Speaker 1: let's not delay anymore, let's get right into it. Go ahead.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So the Super Bowl rematch was rough for Chiefs
Speaker 2: fans and you. So there's a few things going on.
Speaker 2: The Toush push is still alive, and well, my Holmes
Speaker 2: is struggling to throw the ball deep, it would seem,
Speaker 2: and him and Kelsey have had a few miscues that
Speaker 2: have potentially cost them games. Where would you like to start?
Speaker 1: Okay, So we're going to start with the chief side
Speaker 1: of things, and then we'll get into the Eagles, and
Speaker 1: then we will do a Toush push discussion. Okay, So
Speaker 1: I cannot and and producers tell me if the mic
Speaker 1: sounds a little better. Now, I am not going to
Speaker 1: sit here and act like everything's fine with the Chiefs
Speaker 1: right now, it is. There are some I want to
Speaker 1: focus on the concerning things that have occurred in both games. Okay,
Speaker 1: So for instance, since week one, the secondary, which has
Speaker 1: been a strength of this team, looked hugely problematic against
Speaker 1: Herbert and the Chargers. Week two, I thought the secondary
Speaker 1: looked really good. Right, So like that's the one good game,
Speaker 1: one bad game. I'm not focusing on that. Here is
Speaker 1: what through two weeks looks problematic, and I don't know
Speaker 1: where the solve for it is. The Chiefs running game
Speaker 1: is as inept right now as it's ever been since
Speaker 1: Patrick's been there. Pachecko sadly just does not look like
Speaker 1: the same player he was before he broke his leg.
Speaker 1: And what's odd about it is his biggest problem through
Speaker 1: two weeks doesn't seem to be explosion. It seems to
Speaker 1: be vision and hitting the right hole. You wouldn't think
Speaker 1: that is related to a lower body injury, but he
Speaker 1: just hasn't been effective. Kareem Hunt is who he is.
Speaker 1: He if you need one yard more way, more often
Speaker 1: than not, he will get it for you. But he
Speaker 1: has no chance of getting you ten. And they brought
Speaker 1: in Elijah Mitchell. Nothing's happened there. They drafted Brishard Smith
Speaker 1: in the I think seventh round. He's seventh round rookie.
Speaker 1: Like they just right now don't have the horses in
Speaker 1: the running back room, and that is a spot that
Speaker 1: I would not at all hate for them to be
Speaker 1: active on in the trade market. I think we have.
Speaker 1: There has been a lot of discussion of should the
Speaker 1: Chiefs trade for Tyreek Kill? The wide receivers are coming back, Okay,
Speaker 1: I if I were doing a trade with Miami, I
Speaker 1: might be equally, if not more, interested in Devin h
Speaker 1: Cham Like I think that there are you running backs
Speaker 1: will be and should be available, and that might be
Speaker 1: a spot that they have to bite the bullet and
Speaker 1: spend some draft capital via trade on. So that's one piece,
Speaker 1: and here's another one. As good as Josh Simmons has
Speaker 1: been at the left tackle spot, Patrick still doesn't feel
Speaker 1: totally comfortable in his protection. Now, some of that's been
Speaker 1: the left guard spot's been really problematic, but Creed's great,
Speaker 1: Trey's great, Simmons is really good, Joan Taylor when he's
Speaker 1: not committing penalties is fine, and Patrick just seems like
Speaker 1: he doesn't trust it. Right now, and I am as
Speaker 1: confident in Patrick Mahomes as any player that's ever played
Speaker 1: in the league that he will figure stuff out. And
Speaker 1: there have been times this season where it has felt
Speaker 1: like he's out there, I don't want to say by himself,
Speaker 1: but nobody can get opening. They can't run the ball,
Speaker 1: which has forced him to and this is the part
Speaker 1: of the season that I have liked the absolute least.
Speaker 1: It has forced him to activate playoff running Mahomes in
Speaker 1: weeks one and two, and I despise that because obviously
Speaker 1: it puts him in jeopardy, which is the biggest concern.
Speaker 1: But the other thing is one of the reasons he
Speaker 1: has had the postseason success that he's had. One of
Speaker 1: the reasons he has been so much more dynamic and
Speaker 1: effective statistically and from a winning perspective on a per
Speaker 1: game basis than any other quarterback in the history of
Speaker 1: the league come the postseason is because every single postseason
Speaker 1: he adds a huge weapon to his game that is
Speaker 1: not there in the regular season, which is the quarterback
Speaker 1: runs the scrambles. And if he's using that during the
Speaker 1: regular season, it has just multiple concerns. One is he
Speaker 1: can get banged up Another is you're not getting that
Speaker 1: auto postseason boost. Like Josh Allen and Lamar are unbelievable
Speaker 1: runners at the quarterback position. They do it starting in
Speaker 1: week one and never stop. So it doesn't add an
Speaker 1: element to their game come the playoffs. It has for
Speaker 1: Patrick and the last listen issue on offense is the
Speaker 1: greatest tight end in the history of the league has
Speaker 1: had a really rough two weeks. There's no way around it.
Speaker 1: Third play of the season. I thought it was Xavier's mistake.
Speaker 1: He says it was his mistake that he ran the
Speaker 1: wrong depth of his route and Xavier's hurt. Later in
Speaker 1: that game, he and Patrick aren't on quite the same page.
Speaker 1: When they're down nine about to score, they don't connect
Speaker 1: on what would have been a touchdown. And then obviously
Speaker 1: the Eagles game, they're about to take the lead and
Speaker 1: he bobbles a pass and it turns into a game
Speaker 1: changing interception. That's all. Highly it's been highly damaging. I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's yet highly concerning, but it's highly damaging. Okay,
Speaker 1: So there is that piece of it on the defensive
Speaker 1: side of the ball. The only complaint I have after
Speaker 1: week two is they cannot seem to get pressure without
Speaker 1: sending a blitz, like if they rush for they just
Speaker 1: cannot get home. So I don't know if that means
Speaker 1: the rookies Ashton Julot or Omar Norman lot need to
Speaker 1: be more effective. Certainly Charles Amena who needs to be
Speaker 1: more effective. Mike Dana got hurt in this game. That
Speaker 1: didn't help. George Karloft has just got paid by this team,
Speaker 1: he needs to be more effective. Like Chris Jones is
Speaker 1: a man on an island at times. And so those
Speaker 1: are real problems, okay, And right now the Chiefs don't
Speaker 1: deserve to be anything close to Super Bowl favorites. I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna sit here and act like, ah, they got unlucky,
Speaker 1: they got this. No. If anything, it is surprising that
Speaker 1: they have had a chance to win both of these
Speaker 1: games when they haven't played well. They've missed kicks in
Speaker 1: both games. They haven't forced a turnover. So that is
Speaker 1: the true and fair so analysis of where the Chiefs
Speaker 1: are through two weeks. Anything past that is nonsense. Anyone
Speaker 1: trying to pedal Wow, should they be worried about making
Speaker 1: the playoffs? I think has lost their mind. Now is
Speaker 1: the division for the first time in Jeopardy. Yeah, when
Speaker 1: you're zero to two and a team that beat you
Speaker 1: is two and zero with a divisional win, it's understandable
Speaker 1: that the Chiefs are no longer the favorites in the
Speaker 1: division Demons, And where where does hard Rock Bet have
Speaker 1: them at right now?
Speaker 2: They've got them at plus two forty to win the division?
Speaker 2: Should you hammer that?
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, as it's not surprising to you. Probably
Speaker 1: I have a lot of exposure already on the Chiefs,
Speaker 1: you know, futures and season and win total. But I
Speaker 1: think plus two point forty is good value right now
Speaker 1: when I do right now, if I had to pick it,
Speaker 1: I would still pick the Chiefs to win the division.
Speaker 1: And part of that is some concerning stuff. I saw
Speaker 1: no no from the Chargers the Houston doesn't apply here
Speaker 1: from the Chargers last night late in that game. And
Speaker 1: we'll get into that when we talk about the Chargers.
Speaker 1: I thought the Chargers almost went out of their way
Speaker 1: to try to keep the Raiders in that game. And
Speaker 1: it's what's true for Patrick is true for all these quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: Any quarterback that's running a ton early in the year,
Speaker 1: I get worried about and justin Herbert's running a lot,
Speaker 1: and you know that I think that, And he took
Speaker 1: a wicked shot yesterday, and then they also had him
Speaker 1: late in the game when the game was decided to
Speaker 1: another quarterback run that I totally didn't understand. And so
Speaker 1: I still believe the Chiefs are the best team in
Speaker 1: the AFC West. You can't right now say they're better
Speaker 1: than Buffalo or Baltimore. You can say, however, right now,
Speaker 1: in a span of two quick weeks, after for the
Speaker 1: last few years the AFC clearly being the better of
Speaker 1: the two conferences, the NFC right now seems far superior
Speaker 1: and far deeper. Like demon's a whoa in the AFC
Speaker 1: East Buffalo, Miami, New England, the Jets. There's one team
Speaker 1: you believe in the AFC North, Baltimore, since Pittsburgh, Cleveland.
Speaker 1: There's one team you believe in the AFC South. Right now,
Speaker 1: there might be zero teams you believe in unless you
Speaker 1: or the generic you to the audience really does believe
Speaker 1: what the culture doing is sustainable. I don't know that
Speaker 1: I believe it. The AFC West, on the other hand,
Speaker 1: might have a bunch of you know, the Chargers, the Broncos,
Speaker 1: the Chiefs the Raiders still like it is. It's remarkable
Speaker 1: to me how open the middle part of the conferences,
Speaker 1: And so I think it's fair to say the Chiefs
Speaker 1: have basically not punted but giving up the opportunity to
Speaker 1: be the one seed. You know, I think that's fair.
Speaker 1: I think there's you know, there are real things they
Speaker 1: need to clean up. I also feel this way, they
Speaker 1: are potentially twelve days away from everyone saying how silly
Speaker 1: we should feel for writing off the Chiefs because you
Speaker 1: beat the Giants this weekend. You didn't have a game
Speaker 1: against Baltimore that if you win, you're right back to
Speaker 1: being the Chiefs and all this stuff about oh, the
Speaker 1: mystique is gone or this or that that's gone like
Speaker 1: that and that conversation is gone, and so big but
Speaker 1: big next few weeks and big stretch of time before
Speaker 1: Rashi comes back. Xavier might be back this weekend. He'll
Speaker 1: definitely be back for the Raven game. And listen, they
Speaker 1: need to have a receiver that can beat man to
Speaker 1: man coverage. And the idea that like Mahomes is being
Speaker 1: exposed without a dynamic receiver is belied by the fact
Speaker 1: that he won League MVP with a receiving corps led
Speaker 1: by juju An MBS and the next year won Super
Speaker 1: Bowl MVP with an even worse receiving corps. And last
Speaker 1: year they went fifteen to two and made the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl with Rashim missing basically the whole year. So I
Speaker 1: think that's too reactionary. But somebody's got to get open
Speaker 1: at some point, all right, before we get to the
Speaker 1: touch push, do you have another one more follow up?
Speaker 1: You want to ask me? Uh?
Speaker 2: Yeah? With how Philly fans are treating you, do you
Speaker 2: think treating you in person? Are you thinking about taking him?
Speaker 2: And a listens so.
Speaker 1: I know we're joking. I'm gonna be serious about this
Speaker 1: just for a second. The grown adult Eagle fans that
Speaker 1: live in the New York area, and I have more
Speaker 1: sympathy for folks. When I was in Kansas City and
Speaker 1: ran into Eagle fans, I'd love to tell you the
Speaker 1: vast majority were great. They were not. The vast majority
Speaker 1: were obnoxious assholes. A few were great. But I had
Speaker 1: a group of four grown men in golf outfits at
Speaker 1: eight in the morning Friday morning in front of the
Speaker 1: hotel we were both staying at uh Yell like scream
Speaker 1: at me so like that, But but I actually give
Speaker 1: those guys not a pass. You're you flew to town
Speaker 1: for a game. You're alrighty, like you're in game mode. Whatever.
Speaker 1: It is like that, that is what it is. The
Speaker 1: Eagle fans that see me on the street in New
Speaker 1: York and a cost me for lack of a better term,
Speaker 1: or just out of their mind, like what like on
Speaker 1: it like like you're just out of your mind? What
Speaker 1: are you doing?
Speaker 2: Say it again, what are you doing with your time
Speaker 2: right now?
Speaker 1: Well, it's just you're just you're just like what are
Speaker 1: you doing? You're you're not on the team. And I
Speaker 1: like the like the this is it is forever. I've
Speaker 1: said that. Whenever Demanse says to me like, oh, you're
Speaker 1: getting killed online or people are mad at you or whatever,
Speaker 1: what I've said is no, they're not. Like maybe they are,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't matter because I don't see it. In
Speaker 1: order to tell me your feelings, you gotta see me
Speaker 1: in person. And ninety nine percent of the people who
Speaker 1: see me in person, no matter what they've said online,
Speaker 1: they're incredibly gracious. It is really surprising the level of
Speaker 1: like angst and vitriol a team that is the defending champions,
Speaker 1: their fans have and I find it.
Speaker 2: Honestly not worst fan base, but worst fan base to you, Like,
Speaker 2: I feel like Buffalo was up there at one point.
Speaker 1: But Buffalo fans were Here's the thing.
Speaker 2: I think I was, you were really I can't be.
Speaker 1: Buffalo way more than Philly, and Buffalo fans were always awesome,
Speaker 1: always it is. And Buffalo fans, by the way, never won.
Speaker 1: They never like.
Speaker 2: The the combination is already like a type of way.
Speaker 2: I feel like like they're already yeah.
Speaker 1: It's it's odd. I'm not I'm not I'm not making
Speaker 1: too big of a deal over it. But I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna act like it's not noticeable that these like thirty
Speaker 1: eight year old it pros on their lunch break that
Speaker 1: see me walking in the city, like, ain't nick right?
Speaker 1: Fuck you? Like ay Man, like we're just like that.
Speaker 1: It's a little weird, like it's just it's just and
Speaker 1: I and I the I just have a auto response
Speaker 1: of congrats on the super Bowl, like I don't know
Speaker 1: what interaction you think we're gonna have here, but it is.
Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is what the you got? They won?
Speaker 1: I don't know what they're mad about. I think that
Speaker 1: there is an element of their identity as sports fans
Speaker 1: is anger and they don't know how to deal with
Speaker 1: the fact that they won. And so it is I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna like, I'm not gonna pretend it's not weird.
Speaker 1: And people the producers asking if it happened with Niner
Speaker 1: fans or Buck fans, I'm telling you, and I am
Speaker 1: not exaggerating, It's never happened with any other fan base
Speaker 1: across any other sport. To me, like, there are some
Speaker 1: true die hard Kobe fans that really disliked me, particularly
Speaker 1: right after Kobe's trying passing, because in that time, any
Speaker 1: anybody that had you know, tape if you will, of
Speaker 1: what they thought was being unfair to Kobe, those got
Speaker 1: shared a lot, you know, in the moment after it's passing.
Speaker 1: None of those folks. If I were to make a
Speaker 1: list of the twenty worst in person interactions I've had
Speaker 1: with fans since I've been doing this, eighteen of them
Speaker 1: would be Eagle fans. Since they won the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: It's really weird and so like, uh yeah, and so
Speaker 1: it just part of that might be geographically, Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: what I mean. There's a lot of things, but it
Speaker 1: is it is odd, which is why this thing we're
Speaker 1: doing next, which is shining a light on the total
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Speaker 1: push stuff.
Speaker 2: So you went on a rant yesterday on TV. Some
Speaker 2: people would say you went on a line about the
Speaker 2: tush push and now unfair it is. Uh. You've had
Speaker 2: twenty four hours to reconsider. Are you going to walk
Speaker 2: it back? Or are you still sour on it?
Speaker 1: Listen, and you have to be my eyewitness on this,
Speaker 1: demanse Okay, okay, well before the Eagles and Chiefs ever
Speaker 1: played in any Super Bowls, before the Chiefs beat them
Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl, before the Eagles were a real
Speaker 1: top flight contender. When we were doing the show from
Speaker 1: Trentage your mom's store in Harlem together, I hated this play.
Speaker 1: Can you confirm that that is true?
Speaker 2: I don't think there's never been a point that the
Speaker 2: tush push existed and you didn't not like it?
Speaker 1: Right, And it started in October of twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1: And my argument had always been multi layer. But the
Speaker 1: basis of it is it's against the spirit of professional
Speaker 1: football because it's a rugby play. It's bad TV and
Speaker 1: it's a rugby play. And Simmons made this point and
Speaker 1: I agree with him where it is in the same
Speaker 1: family as if a team started having guys go piggyback
Speaker 1: on each other's backs to blockfield goals at the line
Speaker 1: of scrimmage, like, oh, is there a specific rule against that?
Speaker 1: I don't know, but it doesn't feel like what we
Speaker 1: are supposed to be doing here. There was the old
Speaker 1: Reddit post of what if the Warriors signed for like
Speaker 1: bodybuilders and had those four guys lock arms and Steph
Speaker 1: Curry stand in the middle of them and then shoot
Speaker 1: threes where nobody can get through. Like, is there technically
Speaker 1: a rule against it? I don't know, but it feels
Speaker 1: against the spirit of the sport we're playing. So that's
Speaker 1: why I've always hated it. It's not because and by
Speaker 1: the way, the Eagles have beaten the Chiefs in one
Speaker 1: game that really matters to me, the Super Bowl, and
Speaker 1: they didn't need the toast push in that Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: They crushed us. They needed it in the first Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: but the Chiefs won. I don't give a shit about
Speaker 1: the regular season games, so you're just gonna have to
Speaker 1: take my word for it, Okay that that has always
Speaker 1: been my long standing opinion. A. I have had three
Speaker 1: kind of additional prongs to the opinion, which is, first
Speaker 1: of all, if everyone got good at it, it would
Speaker 1: really hurt the NFL if third and short or fourth
Speaker 1: and short were no longer exciting or intriguing plays, that
Speaker 1: hurts the watchability and intrigue of the league. The second
Speaker 1: prong was, if the Eagles got better at it, it
Speaker 1: would snap ruin the sport. By and by better at it,
Speaker 1: I mean is right now they can basically get two
Speaker 1: yards whenever they want. All that has to do is
Speaker 1: changed to four yards and for Philly to be like, okay,
Speaker 1: first play of the game, first and ten from the
Speaker 1: thirty tush pushing the next twelve plays down the field,
Speaker 1: and you'd have to change the rule mid season. But
Speaker 1: the third prong has also been this cause one of
Speaker 1: the Eagles defenses is, well, it must not be that
Speaker 1: easy because they're the only ones who can do it
Speaker 1: that well, because they're the only ones that on eighty
Speaker 1: percent of them half their team is offsides and the
Speaker 1: guards are firing early, and thankfully Tom Brady and Dean
Speaker 1: Blandino shined a spotlight on that it is hard enough
Speaker 1: to stop as is, but when every other snap of
Speaker 1: the game, just think about how you're watching football. Every
Speaker 1: other snap you can see the ball from the above
Speaker 1: shot because it's in front of the center and then
Speaker 1: the offensive line is in a slight arc where the
Speaker 1: center is the furthest out, but his head's behind the ball,
Speaker 1: the guards are a little bit behind him, and the
Speaker 1: tackles are a little bit behind them, except for tackles
Speaker 1: like Lane Johnson for the Joan Taylor for the Chiefs
Speaker 1: who are quite a bit, you know, behind to get
Speaker 1: a little early jump the tush push. You can't see
Speaker 1: the ball because the center is that the ball is
Speaker 1: behind where the sinner is, like where the sinner's head is.
Speaker 1: That's illegal, And you don't know when the ball's been
Speaker 1: snapped because you can't see it, which for the refs
Speaker 1: makes it impossible to tell. Wait, did the guards go
Speaker 1: early to get an advantage just by a quarter of
Speaker 1: a second? And you had to say, what's a quarter
Speaker 1: of a second? We see every day in the NFL
Speaker 1: an offensive linemen just barely shift back in his stance.
Speaker 1: It's a flag that is happening on steroids. Eighty percent
Speaker 1: of Eagles tush pushes. Go back and watch the Vikings
Speaker 1: try it on Sunday Night football and what you'll see
Speaker 1: is there lined up like a regular play and those
Speaker 1: can be stomped.
Speaker 2: So you.
Speaker 1: If the commissioner of the league doesn't want it, twenty
Speaker 1: two of the thirty one other teams don't want it,
Speaker 1: at the very least, can it be officiated correctly? At
Speaker 1: the very least can because here's the thing, demonse a
Speaker 1: false start penalty on push push plays is devastating because
Speaker 1: they're going for fourth downs they wouldn't otherwise go for
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's not like a false
Speaker 1: start on first and ten is not that big of
Speaker 1: a deal. A false start on fourth and one, when
Speaker 1: you're either at the goal line or on your own
Speaker 1: thirty five, as the Eagles are wont to do any
Speaker 1: of those spots, totally changes the math entirely. And here
Speaker 1: is why.
Speaker 2: So they're cheating.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm not gonna call him cheating because they're doing
Speaker 1: what the refs will let him get away with. I'm
Speaker 1: asking here is my belief. A little over two years ago,
Speaker 1: in Juwan Taylor's first game as a chief, I think
Speaker 1: it was his first game. I know it was first
Speaker 1: game of the season regardless, against the Detroit Lions, Chris
Speaker 1: Collinsworth made a point to harp On on the broadcast.
Speaker 1: He is jumping early, and it's something he had always
Speaker 1: done in Jacksonville before he came to Kansas City. It
Speaker 1: had never really been a problem, but Collinsworth pointed it
Speaker 1: out on the broadcast, and all of a sudden, every
Speaker 1: ref was attuned to it, and he snapped me came
Speaker 1: the most penalized player in the league. What I wonder
Speaker 1: is will Tom Brady having focused on that they are
Speaker 1: jumping early on the tush push, and then Dean Blandino
Speaker 1: coming on the same broadcast and saying, yeah, guys, I'm
Speaker 1: done with the toush push. It's too hard to officiate.
Speaker 1: Will that make the officiating crews across the country more aware, Oh,
Speaker 1: this is something we have to watch because if Philly
Speaker 1: starts just even occasionally getting false starts on it, it
Speaker 1: massively recaps its effectiveness. And my prediction is that, oh,
Speaker 1: I didn't see. I didn't know that. I missed that
Speaker 1: last night where the refs made the Chargers uh O
Speaker 1: line adjust how they were gonna tush push because of
Speaker 1: how they were lined up. I'll watch that. Thanks guys
Speaker 1: for going that in the in the doc. But my
Speaker 1: guess is they're now aware that what they're doing is
Speaker 1: not allowed, and it certainly is going to be banned
Speaker 1: after this year. I think there is no doubt about it.
Speaker 1: But I just wonder if it's going to lose some
Speaker 1: effectiveness during the year. Luckily, Philly will be fine without
Speaker 1: it because Jalen Hurts is such a prolific downfield passer
Speaker 1: this season.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that that graphic was pretty crazy.
Speaker 1: I mean, and that's not that different from week one
Speaker 1: where now he hit the one deep ball to Johan Dotson.
Speaker 1: In week one, he hit the one deep ball to
Speaker 1: DeVante Smith in week two. That's boring, Jailen listen. Jalen
Speaker 1: Hurts is not a dynamic drop back passer. He is
Speaker 1: better than what we've seen through two weeks, and to
Speaker 1: not be giving him the opportunities to hit Aj Brown
Speaker 1: down the field is odd and I think that there
Speaker 1: is right now. What is keeping that afloat is not
Speaker 1: a float but under wraps is that they've won okay,
Speaker 1: because I think aj is not all too pleased about
Speaker 1: not getting opportunities. And I say that because Aj Brown
Speaker 1: told us himself, let me see if I can find it.
Speaker 1: There is going to have a j Brown told us himself,
Speaker 1: what'd you say, demanse?
Speaker 2: So they said he was going to have the Kuran
Speaker 2: memorized by the end of the season.
Speaker 1: Oh so here Aj Brown on Instagram four days after
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl quote. I tried to feel how everyone
Speaker 1: made it seem to be a champion and fortunately it
Speaker 1: was short lived two days to be exact. Lol, I've
Speaker 1: never been a champion at the highest level before, but
Speaker 1: I thought my hard work would be justified by winning
Speaker 1: it all. It wasn't My thrill for this game comes
Speaker 1: when I dominate. It's the hunt that does it for me.
Speaker 1: It's when the dB drops his head and surrenders because
Speaker 1: he can't f with me. That is AJ Brown's own work.
Speaker 1: So I don't know how happy AJ Brown is with
Speaker 1: what is been the Eagles offense up to this point.
Speaker 1: All right, let's get Demond's a too. The Joe Burrow
Speaker 1: injury in the Bengals.
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow was knocked out early with a turf toe injury.
Speaker 2: So he's gonna get surgery and he's gonna miss at
Speaker 2: least three months. And this is his third major injury.
Speaker 2: Where did the Bengals go from here without Burrow?
Speaker 1: All right, remember our rules, guys on NFL injury announcements. Okay,
Speaker 1: if the initial reporting is he's fine, it means he
Speaker 1: might miss a week. If the initial reporting is escaped
Speaker 1: major injury, he's probably out a month. If the initial
Speaker 1: reporting is the team is highly concerned, he's almost assuredly
Speaker 1: out a year. In the new age of NFL insider media,
Speaker 1: for some reason there is this. I would imagine it's
Speaker 1: a request by agents to always put the sunniest possible
Speaker 1: time frame on injuries. So when the initial reporting is
Speaker 1: at least three months for Joe Burrow, you should read
Speaker 1: that to mean he has done for the season. Okay,
Speaker 1: you like there, And here's why the reporting stuff on
Speaker 1: it matters. So I saw some people yesterday like doing
Speaker 1: the math. They're like, all right, three months, so October November,
Speaker 1: So he could be back by mid December if the
Speaker 1: Bengals already two to zero, if they can, you know,
Speaker 1: just play five hundred ball, then he's back for the
Speaker 1: stretch run, gets a few games under his belt before
Speaker 1: the playoffs. No chance, No, that's that's not realistic. Sadly,
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow is almost assuredly done for the year, and
Speaker 1: there is This was not a fluke. This was I
Speaker 1: don't want to call it predictable, but all off season.
Speaker 1: And you guys know this if you listen to this show,
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Speaker 1: five stars. If you don't mind. The Bengals conversation was
Speaker 1: simply a well, if the defense can just get a
Speaker 1: little bit better, we know the offense is gonna be great.
Speaker 1: And I said more than once one of the reasons
Speaker 1: I was not a Bengals believer was I thought their
Speaker 1: offensive line, which already had been shaky, was worse this
Speaker 1: year potentially than it was last year. And through two games,
Speaker 1: really a game and a half, you saw Joe Burrow
Speaker 1: getting the hell knocked out of him, and so part
Speaker 1: of that is a team failing. Right. Here's another thing,
Speaker 1: and this is something that it's just the reality. It's
Speaker 1: demand say. You might think this is harsh. I don't
Speaker 1: mean it to be, but I think if you watch
Speaker 1: the Bengals, this is something Joe Burrow needed to improve
Speaker 1: on and didn't. He is so he is so often
Speaker 1: hunting the big play downfield, even when there's guys diving
Speaker 1: at his legs, like the pockets breaking down. He he
Speaker 1: has such and it's one of the reasons he's so
Speaker 1: great is because he's gonna stand in there and you know,
Speaker 1: as opposed to honestly like the way Patrick played last year,
Speaker 1: which is nope, get get rid of the ball, get
Speaker 1: rid of you know, he the the example I gave,
Speaker 1: and you're too young to really have watched this guy.
Speaker 1: Burrow oddly plays within the pocket a lot like Big
Speaker 1: Bended where it is, there's gonna be guys hanging all
Speaker 1: over me. And I'm gonna but Big Ben for he
Speaker 1: was named Big Ben for a reason. You know what
Speaker 1: I mean, he was huge, He was incredibly durable. That's
Speaker 1: not so like, I'm not blaming Joe Burrow for being hurt.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying is the style he hasn't a just
Speaker 1: in his style of play, given how critical he is
Speaker 1: to that team having any shot. And so now this
Speaker 1: is a player who and this is the worst, I mean,
Speaker 1: the worst accolade imaginable. He has a real chance, demons,
Speaker 1: to become the only guy in the history of the
Speaker 1: NFL to win the Comeback Player of the Year three times.
Speaker 1: He's already won it twice. You don't want that man.
Speaker 1: That's like, you know, he blew out his knee as
Speaker 1: a rookie, came back and won it. He got his
Speaker 1: elbow torn up a couple of years ago, came back
Speaker 1: and won it. And now he's gonna have played a
Speaker 1: game and a half this year, and.
Speaker 2: So saving Grace said, it's like a toe thing though
Speaker 2: at least it's you know, it's knee. Oh that's unfortunately
Speaker 2: he's injured.
Speaker 1: He doesn't You would not expect this at all to
Speaker 1: have next year impacts. Yes, I agree, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, you expect him to come back the exact
Speaker 1: same player. Right. The flip side of that is he's
Speaker 1: now had three catastrophic injuries to three totally unrelated parts
Speaker 1: of his body, you know what I mean, Like the
Speaker 1: is yeah, I mean you've had some similar yeah, just
Speaker 1: everywhere stop there where right the where it's like, man,
Speaker 1: I've got I've dealt with a shoulder, I've dealt with
Speaker 1: an ankle, I've dealt with this, Like for Joe, he's
Speaker 1: dealt with an acl some weird elbow ligament thing and
Speaker 1: now turf toe, which never happens to quarterbacks. And so
Speaker 1: I and this idea that producers, if you guys don't
Speaker 1: mind check on hard rock what the Bengals are right now? Yes, no,
Speaker 1: to make the playoffs, because there is I guess a
Speaker 1: level of well they are two to zero with two
Speaker 1: divisional wins, like can they can they overcome this? And
Speaker 1: Jake Browning obviously when he played a couple of years ago,
Speaker 1: played well enough and they went five hundred. I just
Speaker 1: think their next month demonse of defenses. Three of these
Speaker 1: games on the road. They're at Minnesota at Denver, home
Speaker 1: for Detroit at green Bay. Yeah, that feels like one
Speaker 1: in three at best, and a real possibility, and I
Speaker 1: hate to say it, but a real possibility that Browning
Speaker 1: doesn't make it through that like it with that offensive
Speaker 1: line the way it is. And they they signed Sean
Speaker 1: Clifford to the practice squad today, which they have to like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm trying to see. Oh, they already
Speaker 1: they on their practice squad. They already had Brett Rippen
Speaker 1: and Mike White, Like, go.
Speaker 2: And get Anthony Richardson from the Colts or something.
Speaker 1: Oh that's interesting. Kirk Cousins, Kurkut there somewhere, Trey Lance interesting.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, Like right now, Jake Browning
Speaker 1: is a better option than all those guys, definitively, except
Speaker 1: for maybe Kirk, and maybe Kirk as well. Browning's fine.
Speaker 1: But so they're on hard rock. Bet they're to make
Speaker 1: the playoffs. No minus two ten, Yes plus one sixty five.
Speaker 1: That seems a little optimistic. That also, though, speaks to
Speaker 1: the power being two and oh with two conference wins
Speaker 1: and two and oh in the AFC. Right now, all right,
Speaker 1: let's follow up here, pal.
Speaker 2: Uh Yeah, how did you guy Trevor not pull this
Speaker 2: out against Jake Browning? And the guy threw three picks?
Speaker 2: What what happened there?
Speaker 1: That was such a horrifying loss for the Jags? I
Speaker 1: mean Browning threw three picks, including one that just has
Speaker 1: to end the game. So the when the Jags are
Speaker 1: up twenty seven to twenty four early in the fourth,
Speaker 1: the Bengals go three and out. The Jags then have
Speaker 1: a nine play drive. They end with a punt. Jake
Speaker 1: Browning then throws an interception that is returned to the
Speaker 1: bet to the Bengals twenty I'm sorry twelve yard line.
Speaker 1: The Jags have the ball, they're up three, they have
Speaker 1: first and ten from the twelve with five minutes left,
Speaker 1: and they lose man they they I I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: kill Liam Cohen for going for that fourth down. You
Speaker 1: guys have heard me say before. I oddly prefer sometimes
Speaker 1: to be up three than up six. I hate the
Speaker 1: up six, like up three. It feels like the other
Speaker 1: team's a little more conservative. They will obviously kick a
Speaker 1: field goal, so I didn't blame him saying a touchdown
Speaker 1: wins us this game. If we don't pick it up,
Speaker 1: you know we're giving it to you at the eight
Speaker 1: and you're less likely to be so aggressive. And maybe
Speaker 1: they should have won. Sorry, my allergies are killing. Maybe
Speaker 1: they should have won because I thought that Travis Hunter
Speaker 1: pass interference was a bad call. But you cannot find
Speaker 1: a way to lose that game. And early in the game,
Speaker 1: Trevor with a vintage Trevor mistake. It's seven, oh, Jacksonville.
Speaker 1: The Bengals go three and out. The Jags move the
Speaker 1: ball right down the field, and that on third and
Speaker 1: goal from the eight, Trevor just throws a hope of
Speaker 1: a prayer that gets picked off. Now, his other pass
Speaker 1: that got picked off was Brian Thomas Junior, who had
Speaker 1: a alligator arm situation the whole game. But in Brian
Speaker 1: Thomas Junior's defense, Trevor's gotta stop throwing these hospital balls,
Speaker 1: man like. That was a great opportunity for the Jags
Speaker 1: and to let to lose a game. When Joe Burrow
Speaker 1: gets hurt and Jake Browning throws three picks and by
Speaker 1: the way, Trevor throws for two seventy and three touchdowns.
Speaker 1: You run for a buck forty. It's just such a
Speaker 1: Jags loss. Just such a Jags loss. Shout out page, Beckers,
Speaker 1: she won Rookie of the Year. Breaking news.
Speaker 2: Shout out page. Who do you think was more wrong? Hey,
Speaker 2: coach Liam calling for telling his quarterback where to throw
Speaker 2: the ball, or Trevor were waving his coach.
Speaker 1: Off, Liam? You can't, you can't you listen, You just
Speaker 1: you can do that privately on the sideline. Yeah, barking
Speaker 1: at your quarterback when he is trying like he's still
Speaker 1: like has to call a play, run a play. There's that.
Speaker 1: That to me was ridiculous. All right, demons, let's quickly.
Speaker 1: We got a lot more to do here, So let's go.
Speaker 1: We'll go quickly through the rest of the game before
Speaker 1: we go to our Monday staple. All the games that
Speaker 1: didn't get their own section, we're gonna we're gonna give them,
Speaker 1: you know, twenty or thirty seconds each. So we had
Speaker 1: every game in the league this weekend.
Speaker 2: Oh, so the Bucks moved to two to zero after
Speaker 2: a late score led by Baker late in the game.
Speaker 2: Is betting Baker down a score late in the game
Speaker 2: as much of a lock is good of a lock
Speaker 2: these days?
Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, shout out producer Daniel, who texted the group
Speaker 1: when Baker got the ball back down five. You know,
Speaker 1: is this an auto bet? And I think we you know,
Speaker 1: I bet it. I think he bet it. I also
Speaker 1: had the Bucks parlayed with the Raiders, so I'm glad
Speaker 1: I bet it because I ended up losing that one,
Speaker 1: so this made up for it. I couple things about that.
Speaker 1: One is about the specific game, and then I'll get
Speaker 1: to Baker. I never feel like teams or very often
Speaker 1: announcers make a big enough deal of the two point
Speaker 1: convert version to go up seven. So last night the
Speaker 1: Texans Nick Chubb breaks off this great run, so they
Speaker 1: score with how much time is left? When they score two?
Speaker 1: Ten left, and that two point conversion they go for
Speaker 1: there is just so wildly important because you get it
Speaker 1: and likely overtimes. The worst case scenario, you don't get it,
Speaker 1: and you almost feel like, man, do we wish Chub
Speaker 1: hadn't have scored, because if Chubb, if Chubb had gone
Speaker 1: down and then you're in a position where because they
Speaker 1: were at the time Houston was down, what would they
Speaker 1: have been down? They were down four? Right then, I'm
Speaker 1: an idiot? Why can I not get this right? The
Speaker 1: they got? Why am I so dumb? Right now? The
Speaker 1: score of the game five was fourteen thirteen. Yeah, jesus,
Speaker 1: they're down one. I'm such What the hell just happened there?
Speaker 1: And if Chubb doesn't score, all of a sudden, Tampa
Speaker 1: is having to use its timeouts. You're kicking a field goal,
Speaker 1: you know, potentially later. But Chubb does score, that's great.
Speaker 1: You want the seven, but what you need is the eight.
Speaker 1: They don't get the two point conversion, and now Baker's
Speaker 1: in business. All three timeouts two minutes. Can get going
Speaker 1: with that said, Texans had him in fourth and ten,
Speaker 1: and then Baker did some really cool Baker stuff, escaping
Speaker 1: the rush, running seemingly got hurt, then got saved by
Speaker 1: the fact that Chauncey Gardner Johnson was talking trash and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden he wasn't hurt anymore, and he
Speaker 1: popped up to talk trash right back to him. Baker's
Speaker 1: just the best, and Baker absolutely can win league MVP
Speaker 1: this year. Absolutely can and the Bucks absolutely can be
Speaker 1: the one seed as predicted on this show. Bucks, No,
Speaker 1: why would I? I mean, they have played two road
Speaker 1: games against teams that were considered either possible or likely
Speaker 1: playoff teams. They could have lost both, and Baker made
Speaker 1: game winning plays in the waning moments of both. Now
Speaker 1: they get the Jets, then a tough home game against
Speaker 1: the Eagles, but they play the Eagles really well. Seahawks, Niners, Lions.
Speaker 1: It's not easy. But no, they've got a really.
Speaker 2: Sure missing a couple of guys on offense right now to.
Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, Godlin's going to be coming back. No, now
Speaker 1: I think they lost excuse me, Elijah Cantsey in that game.
Speaker 1: That's that's concerning. But no, the Bucks are for real now.
Speaker 1: On the Baker piece of it, it really gets lost
Speaker 1: in the shuffle, Demons, not lost in the shuffle. But
Speaker 1: I just want to reiterate this that the Cleveland Browns
Speaker 1: spent the number one overall pick on Baker Mayfield watched
Speaker 1: him in his second year win a playoff game for them,
Speaker 1: and then they were like, yeah, he's not good enough
Speaker 1: for us. They're like, yeah, we can do better. You're
Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns, and you decided that Baker Mayfield was
Speaker 1: not h And I said in his second year he
Speaker 1: won the playoff game. It was in his third year
Speaker 1: he won the playoff game. Pardon me, you decided a
Speaker 1: guy who won a playoff game as a Browns homegrown
Speaker 1: starting quarterback wasn't good enough for you because Odell Beckham
Speaker 1: Junior's dad put out Instagram mixtape ripping It. In a
Speaker 1: year he played hurt It and and now you're just
Speaker 1: in hell. It's really really unbelievable. And I love seeing
Speaker 1: Baker have this success. I love it so much. The
Speaker 1: Flip side demons is Panic meter is at a seven
Speaker 1: for the Texans and for CJ.
Speaker 2: Like, if you're losing, like after, he shouldn't bring it
Speaker 2: out in the third game. He's done at the first
Speaker 2: two games. He shouldn't be.
Speaker 1: I don't even know. I'll be honest, I don't even
Speaker 1: know what you're talking about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's probably algorithm. Well, CJ, he's like doing
Speaker 2: between the legs, walking up and down the field, maybe
Speaker 2: throwing out your receivers or something. Guys need to be
Speaker 2: more in tune. But yeah, while losing that you can't
Speaker 2: be doing that.
Speaker 1: Just feel like the sport. No I like it. I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean I like your your critique of it.
Speaker 2: But yeah, like you said, ever since he said that
Speaker 2: thing to Caleb Williams, it's just kind of been on
Speaker 2: a downward slope.
Speaker 1: Contractually obligated to give you guys the numbers on this one, CJ. Stroud.
Speaker 1: Let me see if I can get Football Reference to
Speaker 1: cooperate with me. CJ. Stroud through that game with Caleb
Speaker 1: Williams in the regular season in his career, eleven and six,
Speaker 1: twenty six touchdowns, five picks, a one oh one rating. CJ.
Speaker 1: Stroud since he told Caleb one, coming here, a young fellow,
Speaker 1: let me teach you a thing or two. Eight and nine,
Speaker 1: eighteen touchdowns, thirteen picks and eighty five rating, life can
Speaker 1: come out. You're fast, man. And the Texans offensive operation
Speaker 1: just does not look good. The defense is still awesome.
Speaker 1: But what the Texans have going for them, obviously, is
Speaker 1: the division they're in, and if you don't believe in
Speaker 1: the Colts, that division's gonna feel winnable. But they they're
Speaker 1: at Jacksonville this weekend.
Speaker 2: Big game.
Speaker 1: That's that's for both teams. Big game, big game, then
Speaker 1: they get a little respit against the Titans. Then it's
Speaker 1: at the Ravens at Seattle gets tough man, and so yeah,
Speaker 1: I'd be I'd be a little more than a little
Speaker 1: nervous if I were the Texans. All right, let's get
Speaker 1: to the other Monday night game.
Speaker 2: So the Chargers look good again for the most part
Speaker 2: last night with another divisional win. Do you think this
Speaker 2: is the cream of the crop in that division?
Speaker 1: Listen, I think the Chiefs will end up winning the division,
Speaker 1: but I have to give the Chargers have looked really good. Now.
Speaker 1: I thought the Chargers at the end of the game,
Speaker 1: as I said earlier, made some really really poor game
Speaker 1: management decisions, and I don't understand like the Chargers. It's fine,
Speaker 1: I guess, but it is odd to me that both
Speaker 1: the Chargers and Otter for the Raiders spent such premium
Speaker 1: draft picks on running backs and don't want to give
Speaker 1: him the ball, Like the Raiders refusal to get Ashton
Speaker 1: gent involved, and it's like, because he's not good in
Speaker 1: pass protection, we'll just have I understand, you don't want
Speaker 1: to tip your hand on oh we're running this guy's
Speaker 1: you know, on the field. But you can't spend the
Speaker 1: sixth pick of the draft on a guy he was,
Speaker 1: you know, and give him eleven carries in a game
Speaker 1: where Gino's having the worst game of his career. Just
Speaker 1: can't do it. And myke, the Chargers defense looks awesome
Speaker 1: and Herbert's been really good. My only Charger concern is
Speaker 1: I think Herbert's running it too much, and that is
Speaker 1: concerning the other piece of that game is and do
Speaker 1: we have any reporting on what Khalil Mack's injury was.
Speaker 1: I know that he was in a sling and he
Speaker 1: was holding his arm and so that didn't look good.
Speaker 1: That could be really damaging as well the Raiders. The
Speaker 1: It would have been amazing if the Raiders could have
Speaker 1: started three and oh, all right, I'm sorry two and zero,
Speaker 1: but they'll they'll take one and one, especially because Demons
Speaker 1: a Raiders next four at the Commanders in a game
Speaker 1: Jaden might not play, then Home Bears at Calls Home Titans.
Speaker 1: Raiders really need to make hey this next month and
Speaker 1: Geno will bounce back. That was a really rough Geno game.
Speaker 1: And we talked a little bit about the Chargers earlier.
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Speaker 2: So the Lions are looking good or back to looking
Speaker 2: good again. They demolish the Bears fifty two to twenty one.
Speaker 2: Your guy Caleb saw his stock plummet a little bit more.
Speaker 2: The bigger story here the Lions domination or how bad
Speaker 2: the Bears are.
Speaker 1: Listen, I actually don't think Caleb Stock took a hit
Speaker 1: in this game. I didn't think he was great. I
Speaker 1: thought he was fine. The story when a team allows
Speaker 1: fifty two, the story can't be the team who allowed
Speaker 1: fifty two to their quarterback. The story can either be
Speaker 1: their defense or the other team's offense. And I think
Speaker 1: the story is the Lions kind of having a a
Speaker 1: don't write us off, you know, after one bad game
Speaker 1: reminder and go off looking really good and Dan Campbell
Speaker 1: getting a little get back and So that to me
Speaker 1: is the story of that game. Is Detroit steadied itself
Speaker 1: after the playoff game goes terrible, Week one goes terrible,
Speaker 1: and they know they're staring down a game in Baltimore
Speaker 1: this weekend. So had they started oh and two, it
Speaker 1: get late early for the Detroit Lions. Instead, they demolish
Speaker 1: the Bears, and the Bears, on the other hand, are
Speaker 1: feeling like, man, oh man, you know how far away
Speaker 1: are we from just being a good team, much less
Speaker 1: a great team? And right now they look really far Again.
Speaker 1: I did not think this was a Caleb game as
Speaker 1: far as the story. He had the one horrific pick,
Speaker 1: he had another decision that could have resulted in a pick.
Speaker 1: Gonna freak out about that. I am gonna tell you
Speaker 1: that they have Cowboys, Raiders, Commander Saints as their next
Speaker 1: four and if they don't come out of that at
Speaker 1: least two and two and probably need to be three
Speaker 1: and one, they're in real trouble. They're like, and they
Speaker 1: might already be in real trouble. I think it's I
Speaker 1: picked them to make the playoffs. I don't think they're
Speaker 1: dead on that front, but they're in quite the hole.
Speaker 1: Not to Listen, when I picked and make the playoffs,
Speaker 1: I thought through two games they'd be one and one,
Speaker 1: so it's you know, they're only one game off that pace.
Speaker 1: But how they've looked and this is where blowing that
Speaker 1: Vikings game keeps you up at night.
Speaker 2: All right, next yees over there in Dallas, there were
Speaker 2: five lead changes in forty one points scored in the
Speaker 2: fourth quarter alone. Aubrey sent it to overtime. I won
Speaker 2: a sixty four yard and then at the game winner
Speaker 2: on the fifth possession of overtime. You left this game
Speaker 2: angry with Dallas, thoughts why was that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, listen, for Brandon Aubrey is one of the
Speaker 1: most valuable players in the league. The fact that the
Speaker 1: Cowboys were it was going to be a sixty seven
Speaker 1: yard field goal, they had time to try to push
Speaker 1: the ball downfield and they're like, no, we'll just hand
Speaker 1: it off because we're now well within his range is
Speaker 1: so bananas. And you know, Dak looked great. The reason
Speaker 1: I left the game angry with Dallas is because what
Speaker 1: we have seen from the Cowboys through two weeks tells
Speaker 1: me I was too low on them before the Mica trade,
Speaker 1: and had they kept Micah parsons that team could be
Speaker 1: really interesting, and Jerry's whole narrative that the media ran
Speaker 1: with that we're you know, Mike is actually so bad
Speaker 1: against the run that this trade helps us long term
Speaker 1: and short term. We've now seen the defense in two
Speaker 1: games without him and they can't do anything. That's the
Speaker 1: best game of Russell Wilson's whole life until he threw
Speaker 1: the pick at the end. Like the we were talking
Speaker 1: about that being the final start of Russell's career, it
Speaker 1: ends up being maybe the best start of his career
Speaker 1: because that Cowboys defense is that bad without Micah. All right,
Speaker 1: let's go to the Niners.
Speaker 2: So last week you saw launched that you were rooting
Speaker 2: for Mac Jones and he passed for two hundred and
Speaker 2: seventy nine yards and three touchdowns. How is this game
Speaker 2: about you? And Jimmy g.
Speaker 1: Well, listen and for anyone, for the folks if they're
Speaker 1: watching this pod at the first thing's first office is
Speaker 1: turn it way up or have Wilds come down to
Speaker 1: the conference room so we can hear this. Because it
Speaker 1: is so galling to me that my colleagues, really wilds
Speaker 1: can't just say out loud on the show all right.
Speaker 1: Nick was right all along about the Niners quarterback position
Speaker 1: being needing to be judged differently than everyone else's because
Speaker 1: of the Shanahan system. We argued for three years about
Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo, with my take being he's actually not good.
Speaker 1: Oh he's been the guy. He's went to a super Bowl,
Speaker 1: been in a Convergence championship game, and my take was,
Speaker 1: he's not good. That's the Shanahan system and the weapons,
Speaker 1: and a lot of quarterbacks could have that level of success.
Speaker 1: They then drop in the final pick of the draft.
Speaker 1: He goes to a conference championship game, in a super Bowl,
Speaker 1: and we now then argue for two years that actually
Speaker 1: that guy's really special too, that guy's really good. And
Speaker 1: we while we see Jimmy g leave there and immediately
Speaker 1: become a backup, we then see that last pick of
Speaker 1: the draft get hurt. They drop in Mac Jones, who's
Speaker 1: been horrible for three years. He looks really good, and
Speaker 1: the answer is, well, maybe Max a new player. Jesus, guys,
Speaker 1: I know I can be obnoxious. I know I can
Speaker 1: be annoying at times. Sometimes though you just gotta be
Speaker 1: like damn it, Nick was right. Turns out Shanahan. Certainly
Speaker 1: Shanahan plus McCaffrey can inflate a quarterback stats in a
Speaker 1: way that EPA per play can't judge. And the whole
Speaker 1: I wouldn't pay brock Purty fifty five million dollars a year,
Speaker 1: well when you can get that production from a guy
Speaker 1: making five million. That's why. So I was always and
Speaker 1: have always been right about this, and folks just keep
Speaker 1: doing that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's paying a quarterback less money and keep the weapons.
Speaker 1: That's perplexing to me. I don't know why they they
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Speaker 2: Hold on.
Speaker 1: I have to text my ride that I'm going to
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Speaker 1: So Falcons beat the Vikings. The story of that game
Speaker 1: is JJ McCarthy got hurt. The real story of that
Speaker 1: game is JJ McCarthy looked totally out of sorts. And
Speaker 1: we are now at seven of eight quarters. He's looked awful,
Speaker 1: unbelievable fourth quarter Game one, but quarters one through three,
Speaker 1: quarters one through four of week two, he looked way
Speaker 1: over his skis. That's a concern. So that's a real
Speaker 1: worry and now it's a Carson winsteime in Minnesota. Don't
Speaker 1: love that Ravens beat the Browns forty one to seventeen.
Speaker 1: Were you ever nervous, Demanse?
Speaker 2: It started off pretty slow, but I wouldn't say that
Speaker 2: I was ever nervous. Joe Flakall just gave it to
Speaker 2: us at one point, but yeah to it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it was. It was a weird game
Speaker 1: because the Ravens didn't have a ton of yards. Derrick
Speaker 1: Henry did nothing and the Browns moved the ball. But
Speaker 1: the Browns just Browns did it repeatedly, got a pump
Speaker 1: blocked Flacco mistake like you know, just bad, bad errors
Speaker 1: and the Ravens. You know, last year the Ravens lost
Speaker 1: to the Raiders in Week two, started a two. So
Speaker 1: this for them to put it on him like that,
Speaker 1: I thought was great. Bills beat the Jets. My only
Speaker 1: concern there is Josh Allen looked like broke his nose
Speaker 1: like the beat. Yeah, I thought it was worse than
Speaker 1: just nosebleed, like. I wondered what happened to him there?
Speaker 1: But the Bills looked awesome. Josh didn't have to do
Speaker 1: much the Jets defense all of a sudden is a
Speaker 1: huge concern. You'll let the at the Steelers score thirty
Speaker 1: four and the Bills score thirty. Speaking of the Steelers,
Speaker 1: Seahawks defeat the Steelers thirty one seventeen. What everyone's focused
Speaker 1: on in that game is the Steelers kick returner for
Speaker 1: getting the rule and the Seahawks getting a free touchdown
Speaker 1: out of it. You're shaking your head, what do you.
Speaker 2: Fincil Aaron Rodgers just completely blaming the guy after the game?
Speaker 1: Well, the kid, Calvin Austin, Calvin Austin, who's your age?
Speaker 2: A great kid freaking through the game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean Rogers was really bad in
Speaker 1: this game, and he doesn't he doesn't know how to
Speaker 1: accept that he is no longer good, and I think
Speaker 1: the Week one mirage probably made it harder for him
Speaker 1: to accept it. But the Steelers defense now on Pumpkin Watch,
Speaker 1: just like the Jets defense is and the Steelers offense.
Speaker 1: I don't think Rogers is gonna save the day. I
Speaker 1: don't know. Let me look real quick. Who did the
Speaker 1: Steelers have next? The Steelers? Oh wow, Steelers at Patriots.
Speaker 1: That's a huge game for both sides. There So Steelers
Speaker 1: at Patriots, that's an interesting one. They didn't get the Vikings,
Speaker 1: who should be playing a backup, and the Browns, and
Speaker 1: then the schedule really get hard. So the Steelers need
Speaker 1: to go at least two to one in the next
Speaker 1: three I don't know if I'm optimistic about that. Patriots
Speaker 1: beat the Dolphins thirty three to twenty seven to one
Speaker 1: of the more exciting games of the weekend. Uh Drake
Speaker 1: May was awesome, Tua was not. Mike McDaniel seems ready
Speaker 1: to be fired, and Demon's ay, Mike McDaniel could get
Speaker 1: fired this week. Yes, they play Thursday in Buffalo. That
Speaker 1: could be a blood bath. And if that happens, I
Speaker 1: don't know. You know, tuas two in Tyreek are still
Speaker 1: not on the same page. It's just I don't know
Speaker 1: how in Miami, what.
Speaker 2: You have seen from Miami, I don't know how that
Speaker 2: game is anything but a blowout. Like I don't Miami.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean divisional game, first day saving but still
Speaker 1: it feels like Buffalo's gonna molly wop them. Call to
Speaker 1: be the Broncos twenty nine to twenty eight thanks to
Speaker 1: the rarely called leverage penalty after a sixty yard missed
Speaker 1: field goal. Listen, the Broncos deserve to be one and one.
Speaker 1: They had no business winning Week one. They did. They
Speaker 1: should have won Week two they didn't. Also, Bo Nicks
Speaker 1: was terrible Week one and they won, so nobody cared.
Speaker 1: He was awesome in week two. He threw one bad pick,
Speaker 1: but he am I right about that. I think he
Speaker 1: threw the pick in the game, but he was unbelievable
Speaker 1: in the first half. But they lost anyway. Again, I
Speaker 1: picked the Broncos demons to miss the playoffs, and I said,
Speaker 1: I thought they were gonna start awesome. I picked them
Speaker 1: missed the playoffs anticipating a two to zero start. They're
Speaker 1: now one in one and yet to look good. And
Speaker 1: they still have that brutal end of season stretch of Chiefs, Commanders, Raiders, Packers, Jags, Chiefs, Chargers,
Speaker 1: and they next week they're at the Chargers winner potentially
Speaker 1: in first plow or will be in first place in
Speaker 1: the division. And Jacob in the Chat wants to admit
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones the truth. I'm getting a lot of Saints
Speaker 1: last year. Derek Carr vibes from this cult. Daniel Jones
Speaker 1: two and oh numbers amazing, and Saints last year started
Speaker 1: two and oh Car looked unbelievable. Then it all fell
Speaker 1: apart and Cardinals defeated the Panthers and one of the
Speaker 1: worst NFL games ever played. All right, great job, Demons,
Speaker 1: appreciate you. Great job to Blue Duck Volume, Thank you
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