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Speaker 1: Welcome to episode thirty one of Hurdle, a podcast that

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Speaker 1: talks to everyone from top CEOs to entrepreneurs about how

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Speaker 1: they got through tough times hurdles of sorts by leaning

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Speaker 1: into wellness. My name's Emily A Badi, and today I

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Speaker 1: am chatting with Jesse Dover, co founder and creative director

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Speaker 1: at bag company Dagni Dover. For just a second, think

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Speaker 1: about how annoying it is when you can't find something in.

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Speaker 2: The bag you're carrying around for the day.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's a pen, or your sunglass case or your wallet.

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Speaker 1: It's like you're digging through an endless abyss to find

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Speaker 1: mia well. Jesse and her coat founders wanted to change

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Speaker 1: that frustrating scenario with their super functional bagline. In the

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Speaker 1: backpack of theirs that I happen to use most days

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Speaker 1: laptop and pens, and a clip for my keys, special

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Speaker 1: pockets for other things like my wallet, and even an

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Speaker 1: external elastic situation perfect for my water model because there

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Speaker 1: As you can broatly tell I'm a pretty big fan

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Speaker 1: of the brand. Before we talk Jesse and more things

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Speaker 1: that's Athleticgreens dot com slash Hurdle. Now onto Jesse's story.

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Speaker 1: After graduating from Parsons School of Design and working at

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Speaker 1: big corporate culture just wasn't her scene. That's when one

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Speaker 1: of her co founders, Melissa, reached out to her with

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Speaker 2: But it wasn't always smooth sailing.

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Speaker 1: Returning late one night from a work tre of overseas,

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Speaker 2: The breakup rocked her world. In today's episode, we talk

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Speaker 1: Hurdle moment, and we're pretty vulnerable about how tough it

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Speaker 1: can be to separate your personal life from your professional

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Speaker 1: Want to thank Jesse for her honesty, you know, dealing

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Speaker 1: To get through the emotional mook, Jesse leaned into fitness

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Speaker 1: of building her business, which now more than five years old,

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Speaker 1: is growing like wildfire. As always Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, at

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Speaker 1: Hurdle podcast you know the drill. Make sure to tag

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Speaker 1: me in your Instagram stories listening to the podcast with

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Speaker 1: your favorite takeaways.

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Speaker 2: I love you posting those from the Hurdle account.

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Speaker 1: A special shout out to the ten or so people

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Speaker 1: bars and literally on the street saying are you Emily

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Speaker 1: from Hurdle podcast? You You made my day, my week,

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Speaker 2: It's uh, it's so awesome to connect with you guys.

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Speaker 1: In the real real If you also want to say

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Speaker 1: hi or have a hurdle moment of your own, just share,

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Speaker 1: shoot me an email Emily at hurdle dot us. And

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Speaker 2: And that's it.

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Speaker 1: Let's get to hurdling. I'm hanging out today with Jesse Dover.

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Speaker 1: She's the creative director and co founder at Dagney Doover.

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Speaker 2: Hey Jesse, Hey, what's going on? Not much? Thank you

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Speaker 2: for having me, Thanks for coming in. You know, it's funny.

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Speaker 2: When I first met Jesse, it's like you know, when

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Speaker 1: Then I found out that Jesse and I are actually

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Speaker 2: I'm always like, how old are you? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: My name is Emily.

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Speaker 1: I write fitness content for a living most days, but

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Speaker 1: other days I'm here recording hurdle and like today with you,

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Speaker 1: So I'm so amped to have you here. I think

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Speaker 1: the world about Dagney Dover. What is Dagney Dover? Give

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Speaker 2: Dagney Dover is a lifestyle bag brand that I founded

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Speaker 2: in twenty thirteen with my two partners, Melissa and Depa. Basically,

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Speaker 2: what we do is we create performance bags, so everything

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Speaker 2: thing that's different about Dagnes that everything that we make

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Speaker 1: Right off the that what I love about your company

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Speaker 1: is that I have a few pieces myself. I have

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Speaker 1: And I'm sure you could say the more proper names

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Speaker 1: think A big part of it is you said there's leather,

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Speaker 2: Thank you for the kind words.

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Speaker 1: we're about to get into. Okay, So, DIAGNI dover, when did.

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Speaker 2: You and your co founders start the company. We launched

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Speaker 1: Okay, and so that is like actually right after you

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Speaker 2: Where did you go to college? Were you Always is.

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Speaker 1: Like, man, I'm going to make this outstanding bad company

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Speaker 2: No, not at all. I even from Colorado. So I

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Speaker 2: And then my senior year I won an award through Coach.

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Speaker 1: With all of these people in food and health and wellness.

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Speaker 1: My portfolio and all of my stuff. Interesting, Okay, so

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Speaker 2: I can't imagine what she thought of me at that

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00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:55,560
Speaker 2: point in time, but I was a zombie.

437
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I totally feel that. And it's so interesting.

438
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Speaker 1: I think when you go through some sort of big

439
00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,800
Speaker 1: emotional event like this, that you look back on it

440
00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,040
Speaker 1: and the bits and pieces that you can remember of

441
00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:10,480
Speaker 1: how you spoke with people the interactions that you had.

442
00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:13,200
Speaker 1: You were telling people that like you hardly know about

443
00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:16,560
Speaker 1: how upset you were exactly. Like I think about some

444
00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:18,600
Speaker 1: of the people that I spoke with and the month

445
00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:21,040
Speaker 1: after my last breakup, and I'm like, in my head,

446
00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm so sorry, but it's also sorry. It

447
00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:25,879
Speaker 1: also makes me think it brings a new level of

448
00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:29,200
Speaker 1: compassion and understanding when you know someone that goes through

449
00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:32,320
Speaker 1: something that's truly difficult emotionally, whether or not it has

450
00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:35,159
Speaker 1: anything to do with the significant other, maybe it's just

451
00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:38,800
Speaker 1: a hard time at work, or just learning empathy exactly

452
00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:40,680
Speaker 1: from the situations that you go through and how you

453
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Speaker 1: can better help someone else when they go through their

454
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Speaker 1: own hurdle moments.

455
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and that's why I think it's so amazing that

456
00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:50,119
Speaker 2: you're doing what you're doing, is because sharing these stories

457
00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:53,080
Speaker 2: with people automatically. I mean, if I had had podcasts

458
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:55,679
Speaker 2: like weren't a thing then either, So I feel like

459
00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,359
Speaker 2: if I had had something like this to listen to,

460
00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,080
Speaker 2: I would have felt less alone. Like there's a light

461
00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:03,439
Speaker 2: at the end of the ti there's a light at

462
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:04,280
Speaker 2: the end of the tunnel.

463
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Speaker 1: I think about that specifically when I was losing weight

464
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,760
Speaker 1: in college. Facebook was a thing, Instagram wasn't really a thing.

465
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,960
Speaker 1: Twitter wasn't really big. I think we used it to

466
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,960
Speaker 1: post things that were kind of like away messages on aim.

467
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 2: Like super Emo, super Emo, and uh.

468
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 1: I had nowhere to look for like guidance or support.

469
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:30,359
Speaker 1: I felt so alone and just kind of ashamed that

470
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 1: I had gotten to that place and that my scale

471
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 1: said one number, and I didn't know who to reach

472
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:39,000
Speaker 1: out to. Yes, and these days, when you're going through something,

473
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:43,360
Speaker 1: it's so special that there are these different outlets. Maybe

474
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:45,680
Speaker 1: it is a podcast, but maybe it's also a social

475
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 1: community or a Facebook community or even in person. Yes,

476
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:52,199
Speaker 1: just so many ways to connect with people who are

477
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:53,040
Speaker 1: going through hard times.

478
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Speaker 2: Okay, so you're like blacking out, you know what's going on.

479
00:23:56,400 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 2: I'm living life blacked out, and meanwhile you're trying to

480
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 2: start this company. Meanwhile I'm trying to start this company.

481
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 2: So this was I think what my hurdle moment was.

482
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,719
Speaker 2: I was in that state of mind. I didn't have

483
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Speaker 2: any money, I didn't have a home, I didn't have

484
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 2: my family here. I was just feeling really alone and

485
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 2: like I didn't have a leg to stand on. So

486
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:24,119
Speaker 2: I was talking to my business partners kind of like, look, guys,

487
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 2: I don't I don't know if I can do this anymore.

488
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 2: I'm in a bind that I wasn't before, and it's

489
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:37,120
Speaker 2: just not adding up. So I decided to change one

490
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 2: variable at a time. So I got an apartment, and

491
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 2: I a cheap, really small apartment after saving up for

492
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 2: a few months living with my best friend, and I

493
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 2: just kept trucking. I kept putting one foot in front

494
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 2: of the other. Nothing really made sense. The numbers weren't

495
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 2: adding up. I was making some irresponsible decisions in terms

496
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 2: of my finances. I was making some emotional irresponsible decisions

497
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,920
Speaker 2: because I was so overloaded at work but so unemotionally,

498
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 2: like I was unavailable to really manage all of it.

499
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:17,880
Speaker 2: But I I was just putting one foot in front

500
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 2: of the other. I'd wake up in the morning, I'd

501
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 2: go for a workout, I'd go to work, and oftentimes

502
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 2: I'd go for another workout and then go home, just

503
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:29,439
Speaker 2: because working out was really the only basically putting myself

504
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,640
Speaker 2: through more physical pain than mental pain was the only

505
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,119
Speaker 2: thing that would give my mind a break from thinking

506
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 2: about it, yeah, and from just being depressed.

507
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Speaker 1: Basically, I remember, for me, I came to the realization

508
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 1: that I couldn't work out all the time when I

509
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 1: wasn't working, but I definitely started to. And so I

510
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 1: would wake up in the morning before I could really

511
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 1: think about anything, I was already out running. And then

512
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,879
Speaker 1: I would come home and shower and go to a

513
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 1: wee work office and I would be there from nine

514
00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 1: to five and fill my day with meetings and seeing

515
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 1: people and doing all this stuff. And then at night,

516
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 1: if no one was available to hang out and probably

517
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 1: drink wine with me, then I would go and.

518
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 2: Work out again.

519
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 1: And I literally had a moment where I was just

520
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 1: like looking in the mirror putting my hair up one morning,

521
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 1: and I said to myself, you need another hobby. Yep,

522
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:19,440
Speaker 1: Like something needs to happen here because you can't work

523
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 1: out like this. You can't do this to your body.

524
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:24,159
Speaker 1: And so I did two things. One this is actually

525
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:28,680
Speaker 1: when like hurdle really started cool. And two I got

526
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 1: movie pass Yes, so I started going to the movies

527
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:32,920
Speaker 1: by myself.

528
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:34,679
Speaker 2: I love going to the movies by myself. I think

529
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 2: it's really one of my favorite things to do. Yeah,

530
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,119
Speaker 2: I love that you do that. Yeah, well we can

531
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:42,400
Speaker 2: do it. Together. It doesn't need to be alone anymore.

532
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 1: Okay, so you're but you're in this fog and you're

533
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:50,479
Speaker 1: filling your time with sweat. When does that time filler

534
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 1: become more cathartic and less autopilot.

535
00:26:54,680 --> 00:27:00,439
Speaker 2: I remember I started waking up mentally again and I

536
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:06,439
Speaker 2: realized that I was losing weight. I had gained probably

537
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five pounds when I was dating my boyfriend.

538
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:10,439
Speaker 2: I didn't really notice that I was putting it on

539
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 2: until I started losing weight again. Way, nobody notices, No,

540
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:18,160
Speaker 2: I'm looking great. Everybody else notices.

541
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,679
Speaker 1: They don't say it to you. With your relationship, You're like,

542
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 1: I knew it, I didn't want to say it out loud. Yeah, exactly.

543
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 1: So anyways, I started losing weight. I was becoming more energetic.

544
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:36,159
Speaker 1: I had more stamina at work. I had more energy

545
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 1: for my friends and my family and my business.

546
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 2: People that I was working with. I just felt like

547
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 2: a new person all of a sudden, and I think

548
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,160
Speaker 2: that it took probably about a month. I got into

549
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 2: like decent shape in a month, and then it just

550
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 2: kept getting better and better. At that time, I remember

551
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 2: my mom was getting into juice cleansing because she's kind

552
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 2: of a health nut. I try to cleanse and I

553
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 2: was like, this is game changing. I had so much energy,

554
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 2: I realized now looking back on it, me hitting rock

555
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 2: bottom and then working out being something that was a

556
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 2: routine that I could depend on. It was like a

557
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:22,479
Speaker 2: stability that I needed at that time catapulted me back

558
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 2: up so much faster than I could have come back

559
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 2: up otherwise. And I knew that. When I was at

560
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 2: the gym or in a soul cycle class, I was happy.

561
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 2: I was in my element. I was comfortable there, and

562
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 2: eventually I realized, too, Okay, hey, you got to like

563
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 2: normalize here a little bit, because you're going to run

564
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 2: your body into the ground, which is when I started

565
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 2: playing a little bit more with my diet, not in

566
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 2: an extreme way, just more like knowing figuring out what

567
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 2: I should be eating for my personal energy, health well

568
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 2: being and making sure I kind of stuck to that

569
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 2: and maybe not working out twice one day, not twice

570
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 2: in one day, not necessary.

571
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 1: So you start to be able to use fitness and

572
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 1: food as fuel and like you're awake.

573
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 2: I'm awake again, and I felt incredible, And actually, I

574
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 2: think that the fitness and the fuel were something that

575
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 2: I originally when I was originally thinking about it, I

576
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 2: thought it was just me. I was like I was

577
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 2: a child athlete. I've always been moving my whole life.

578
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 2: My mom has been feeding me healthily. And now I'm

579
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 2: like out on my own trying to do the same thing,

580
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 2: but maybe not realizing how important that was. Maybe my

581
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 2: brain chemistry is off because I'm used to being in motion,

582
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 2: And now that I think about it, I think of

583
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 2: it more as everybody needs to eat well and take

584
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 2: care of their body, and your life can be so

585
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 2: incredibly different by doing just like those two little things,

586
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 2: and you don't know it until you taste it. Yeah,

587
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 2: And I think that's the hard part is that even

588
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 2: in my life, I manage a big team now and

589
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 2: I'm not necessarily manage down to them, but like across

590
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 2: and up and down, and I see people who work

591
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 2: out and eat well, and I see their output, and

592
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 2: I see their mood and I see them living happy lives. Yeah.

593
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of the way to put this.

594
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 1: It's like you get through this breakup and there's like

595
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 1: this dark side, oh yeah, and then you find that, Okay,

596
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 1: I can get a little bit better and then I

597
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 1: can get a little bit better and then like you're.

598
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 2: Out that I'm out. And that isn't just that easy though,

599
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 2: and that's a long process and also it was painful.

600
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 2: That was like a two year process. Yeah, and I

601
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 2: think it's insane.

602
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 1: I remember a girlfriend of mine made the joke that

603
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 1: you get like, oh, you get two days.

604
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 2: This was this was ridiculous. This is not feasible.

605
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 1: You get two days for every month that you dated

606
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 1: someone to be upset. She's a hard ass, was like

607
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: you got so like, say, if you dated someone for

608
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 1: a year, you get twenty four days to be like

609
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 1: in your bed.

610
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 2: Okay, that's hilarious.

611
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:20,239
Speaker 1: And I'm like twenty four days, No, that's I mean.

612
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 1: And I'm like a very like okay, what are we

613
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 1: going to do now kind of person.

614
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 2: I'm a solver.

615
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 1: I'm a fixer in all aspects of my life. But

616
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 1: sometimes you just can't shove your feelings to this side,

617
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: and sometimes you got to deal with it. Yeah, and

618
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 1: if you don't deal with it, it's gonna manifest and

619
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 1: then years later you're gonna find these issues again.

620
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, and yeah, that is just not the way. It's

621
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 2: not the way. And I actually two things. One I

622
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 2: think I was talking to my dad when I was

623
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 2: going through it, That's who I was talking to, and

624
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 2: he told me, he said, you need.

625
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 1: I think he said.

626
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 2: Something like six months for every year that you were

627
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 2: together recover And I was like, oh man, this is

628
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 2: inter real line recovery, and it actually was. I don't

629
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 2: think either of those. Maybe we'll meet somewhere in the

630
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 2: middle on it. But the other thing that I wanted

631
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 2: to say was actually the I think the thing that

632
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 2: I learned through all of that was that sometimes you

633
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 2: just gotta wait staff out, Like you want to fix

634
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 2: I'm a fixer too. I want to fix it. I

635
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 2: want to get out of my current situation. I want

636
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 2: to go. I want to be at the top. I

637
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 2: want to win. I want to be the best at

638
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:37,959
Speaker 2: what I do. And with Dagnia at that time, and

639
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 2: also with my emotions, I just had to sit in

640
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 2: them for a while and focus on the granular stuff

641
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 2: and put one foot in front of the other, and

642
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 2: then eventually takes time you kind of get to the

643
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 2: light at the end of the tunnel.

644
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,840
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Speaker 1: Com slash hurdle. Now let's get back to it. I'm

660
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: back here sitting with Jesse Dover of Diagny Dover, and

661
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 1: we are talking about getting through some hard emotional times.

662
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 1: So you're out of the relationship. You are now about

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00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 1: to really launch this company, which is just I just

664
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 1: in my mind it is unreal that this is all

665
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 1: happening at the same time, because.

666
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 2: It's so much to deal with at once. It was

667
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 2: so much to deal with that once I know it

668
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 2: was overload. I mean I was consistently on overload. I

669
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 2: was just like on autopilot, like doing things.

670
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Speaker 1: Yeah, doing that, even the outdoor voices way you your

671
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 1: company launches, Where are you in your emotional cycle when

672
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 1: the company launches. I'm excited, I'm really excited that the

673
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 1: company has launched, But at the same time, I'm.

674
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 2: Obviously distracted by a lot of things, as is life.

675
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 2: I guess now that I've learned, and I was compartmentalizing

676
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 2: as best as I could because I have always found

677
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 2: solace in my work. I decided to follow my passions

678
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 2: for my career, and because of that, I think that

679
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 2: work is something that I really enjoy and I like

680
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 2: my partners, I like my team, I love my company,

681
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 2: and so I was kind of putting my everything into that,

682
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 2: trying my best to ignore my own mind. I guess

683
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 2: when it came to personal matters.

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Speaker 1: So when your company actually launched, tell me what that

685
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 1: looks like, because I think it's like some people here

686
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 1: like company launch them and it's like overnight success, and that's.

687
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 2: How it always happened.

688
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:45,240
Speaker 1: So it launches, and then are you guys e comm

689
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 1: at the time, are you making a lot of sales?

690
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're selling. We're selling more product than we can

691
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 2: keep up with in production. So it was a lot.

692
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 2: We could not keep up with demand. So I was

693
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 2: in Asia a lot, basically working around the clock, twenty

694
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 2: four to seven. It was an incredibly exciting time, but

695
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 2: as an entrepreneur, also an incredibly scary time, because your

696
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:14,280
Speaker 2: fears are kind of eating you alive at the same

697
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 2: time as your excitement is sort of like feeding you energy.

698
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:27,439
Speaker 2: And I say fear because people can buy a product once,

699
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:29,879
Speaker 2: that doesn't mean they're going to come back. So it's

700
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 2: really exciting to be selling a new product and to

701
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 2: have some traction and for people to be really liking

702
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 2: your concept and your style. It's a whole nother thing

703
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 2: to get them so in love with the brand and

704
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 2: hooked on the product that they come back for more.

705
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 2: So how do you do that? You do a good

706
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 2: job the first time, you do a good job.

707
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 1: And so we launched those two offerings, Yes to the

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Speaker 1: two eggs, And so how long did you just have

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00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 1: the two bags.

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00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,919
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm terrible a timelines, but it was a long time. Yeah,

711
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:05,919
Speaker 2: we had two bags for a long time. We lived

712
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,839
Speaker 2: off of those. We perfected the designs of those. We

713
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 2: were working on a lot of things behind the scenes

714
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 2: operationally and product development wise. While we were selling those.

715
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 2: We were expanding the collection behind the scenes so that

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00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 2: we could eventually put them up on the site for sale,

717
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 2: but also just correcting things that we kind of saw

718
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 2: pop up as we were going.

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Speaker 1: And like from a creator perspective, I mean you come

720
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: up with this concept to have these highly functional bags.

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00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 1: When you say that what makes them super functional Everything

722
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 1: inside of them is functional. But if you can imagine

723
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 1: getting to your front door at two am after you

724
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 1: go out and you can't find your keys inside of

725
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 1: your bag in New York City, you have to dump

726
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 1: your bag out on the ground outside, which is incredibly unsafe, embarrassing,

727
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: it's a lot of things. I have done it in

728
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 1: the laundromat under my apartment. You walk in there and

729
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 1: take everything out of my bag. Just got to take

730
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 1: it out because you got to find your keys. I mean,

731
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 1: can't do anything else until you find your keys, or

732
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 1: like the moment when you spill your water bottle all.

733
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Speaker 2: Over your laptop and you have to go to the

734
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Speaker 2: Apple Store and buy a new laptop because of your

735
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,800
Speaker 2: own Like, I just wanted to have my water bottle

736
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Speaker 2: with me so that when I'm thirsty, I have something

737
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 2: there and I have to buy five dollars water. So basically,

738
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:26,879
Speaker 2: the insides of all of our bags are checked out

739
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 2: so that there's a spot for your water bottle, spot

740
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 2: for a leash for your keys, a computer compartment that

741
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 2: closes and protects it. There is there's pockets for your chargers.

742
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 2: Every specific bag has a specific purpose. However, the pockets

743
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 2: are basically tailored to what the bag is made to do.

744
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Speaker 2: Got it?

745
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 1: And so you have these two initial offerings and then

746
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 1: you just start to think about what you wish you

747
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 1: had in your everyday life. It sounds so simple that

748
00:38:57,920 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: it does. Man, I love a bagpock that had a

749
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 1: spot for all this stuff. But then, like I think,

750
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 1: what's crazy to me is, no matter what the business is,

751
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,839
Speaker 1: just the idea that you can have this idea and

752
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 1: then manufacture it and then give it to consumers and

753
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 1: sell it. Every time I remember I had Brandy in

754
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 1: here from TRX and it was just like he talks

755
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 1: about these functional straps and you had an idea and

756
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 1: now they're everywhere.

757
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 2: Yes, and every time it blows my mind, which sounds

758
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:26,760
Speaker 2: I don't know, I feel like I sound it's crazy.

759
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 2: It is crazy because think of how many ideas that

760
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 2: you think of, Like think about my ideas you think

761
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 2: of in a day. That'd be sweet, but then you

762
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 2: just don't follow through. Okay, So you have those two products.

763
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 2: So we have those two products, we start building more products.

764
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:45,359
Speaker 2: We essentially used customer feedback and research to build the

765
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 2: first line of products and that worked really really well

766
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 2: for us because we were a basically combining what we

767
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 2: knew and our background in design with what people were

768
00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 2: saying they wanted, which aligned a lot with what we

769
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 2: want on it because we are essentially our customer and

770
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:05,720
Speaker 2: just started building things.

771
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Speaker 1: And as the brand starts to evolve more, what would

772
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Speaker 1: you say, are the habits that you personally like aside

773
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:17,280
Speaker 1: from the office are kicking up? So you were formally

774
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 1: going to work out twice a day, you then kind

775
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,439
Speaker 1: of start to eat a little bit better. Where are

776
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:26,320
Speaker 1: you say if the company started in twenty and thirteen,

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Speaker 1: in like twenty and sixteen.

778
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 2: In twenty sixteen, I was living a slightly more balanced life,

779
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:39,839
Speaker 2: still working probably more than what I should have been.

780
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 2: That you're achieving a balance life, or if that's what

781
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 2: you're trying to do, I guess the key to all

782
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 2: things is balanced. I think at this time actually is

783
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Speaker 2: when I started my spiritual journey a little bit as well.

784
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Speaker 2: And I think that working out sort of led me

785
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 2: to that. I didn't grow up in a spiritual household.

786
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 2: My parents are not religious at all. I never even

787
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:04,760
Speaker 2: went to church, so it's very unfamiliar with that world.

788
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 2: And I don't remember the exact moment when it hit me,

789
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 2: but whenever, I mean it went through a lot of

790
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 2: stuff since that, and every time I go through something,

791
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 2: I do go through a phase of working out really hard.

792
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 2: And what I do is I'll like go to soul

793
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 2: cycle to Lily Lily Hey, and I will get a

794
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 2: bike that's second row or third row, and I'll just

795
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 2: work out and cry yeah and just like get it out.

796
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 2: And that started to become sort of like a spiritual

797
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 2: ritual for me. That was like cleansing. It was like

798
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,359
Speaker 2: I would go cleanse it out, but feeling good then

799
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 2: I can go back to work with great energy, go

800
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 2: back to my friendships with awesome energy, my family, and

801
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 2: kind of spread the love instead of like poison them

802
00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:59,800
Speaker 2: with all of my sadness that I was feeling.

803
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 1: For me, I am better for the people. Like you

804
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: said that I care about when I take the time

805
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:09,720
Speaker 1: for myself one, and that doesn't always need to be

806
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 1: necessarily a workout. But I have worked more so in

807
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 1: the last few months to literally program days that are

808
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,839
Speaker 1: just for me into my schedule. And I think it's

809
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: so hard, and it's because it's difficult to take the

810
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 1: foot off the gas. It is it's simple to take

811
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: the foot off the gas. Okay, So arguably, arguably, I

812
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: would say that Dagne went from sixty to one hundred

813
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 1: and sixty at the winning of twenty eighteen. Yes, I

814
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 1: feel that all of a sudden, I saw your bags

815
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:48,760
Speaker 1: everywhere on Instagram. If someone was carrying it, someone else

816
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 1: was like, I love that bag, and it was everywhere.

817
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 1: And maybe I'm just hyper sensitive to it because I'm

818
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 1: in New York City and I think it's really big here.

819
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Speaker 1: But talk to me about what that's been like. It's

820
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 1: been really cool.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think We've been working really hard for

822
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:08,439
Speaker 2: a really long time, and a lot of people don't

823
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 2: see that necessarily the hard work that's gone into it

824
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,879
Speaker 2: up until this point. But it's really exciting to see

825
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:19,439
Speaker 2: people noticing it. It's exciting to see people excited about it.

826
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 2: I love when people buy it and then show me

827
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 2: that they have it, and I'm like, dude, like you

828
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 2: should have let me know. I would have sent you

829
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:29,840
Speaker 2: a bag, but they're like, no, I love it, like

830
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 2: I really want it, and it's something that I carry

831
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 2: every single day. So thank you and for me, that

832
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 2: connection with our customer is really powerful and probably the

833
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 2: most fulfilling thing because something that I created Mediband Melissa

834
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 2: is something that they touch every single day. It's like

835
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 2: one of the first things they look at in the morning.

836
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Speaker 2: And I don't know, I like being able to like

837
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 2: it sounds kind of cheesy, but like help people out

838
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 2: a little bit when I'm not even there. If there's

839
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:04,359
Speaker 2: anything I can do to make their life a little

840
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,800
Speaker 2: bit easier, I want to. Yeah. I think that's really special.

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00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:09,280
Speaker 2: I think what's interesting.

842
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:12,240
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about your career journey and just this idea

843
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 1: that there were probably a lot of people around you

844
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 1: over the past five years that have been giving you

845
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 1: really excellent advice. Do you feel like while you were

846
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 1: going through some of the tough times it was kind

847
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:27,800
Speaker 1: of hard for you to truly listen to that advice

848
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 1: or were you able to segment that or kind of,

849
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 1: you know, section that off.

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00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 2: I don't think I ever really listened to advice. Yeah,

851
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 2: I know that sounds bad, but I'm definitely the type

852
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 2: of person that if I don't want to hear it,

853
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna listen. I have received some good advice,

854
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 2: and I feel like it always came from a place

855
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 2: where I didn't expect to receive it, so I was open,

856
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 2: and I'm like, Okay, I can digest that or like

857
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 2: flip it into something that's meaningful for me. Like what

858
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 2: a good example of really good advice that I got

859
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 2: was to just do the work. When we started the company,

860
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,720
Speaker 2: I thought that the process would be a lot faster.

861
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 2: I'm not a stranger to hard work. I like hard work.

862
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 2: I was raised to be a hard worker, but I

863
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 2: didn't realize how much work I would have to put

864
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 2: in to kind of see even just a little bit

865
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 2: of success in what I was doing. And knowing that

866
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 2: if you just keep going, something's going to happen. Then

867
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 2: it made my journey a little bit easier. The other thing,

868
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:37,399
Speaker 2: actually that I think is really interesting is that if

869
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 2: the people around you have confidence in you, you can't fail.

870
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 2: All of my friends were always like incredible fans of

871
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 2: the brand. My mom was always hugely confident and asked.

872
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 2: She was like, you guys aren't going to fail. And

873
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 2: even in moments where I was like this isn't working,

874
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:53,879
Speaker 2: like it's not going to work, or we just got

875
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:59,800
Speaker 2: an entire order of product where the straps are faulty

876
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 2: basically and we don't have any more money to order

877
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 2: reorder them, or time, like what are we going to do?

878
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 2: Those moments were when people had more faith in me

879
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 2: than I had in myself, and I think it carried me.

880
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's advice or just an awesome

881
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,240
Speaker 2: support system. I mean, I think it is advice.

882
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 1: I feel like so often we hear that like you

883
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 1: are the four people that you surround yourself with the

884
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 1: most yes, And I forget where what podcast I was

885
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: listening to know, I feel like they get this advice

886
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 1: all the time. And someone says, if you take a

887
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 1: look at the people that you're surrounding yourself with and

888
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 1: they're not really who you want to be, then it's

889
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 1: cool if you're with them for now, but like, figure

890
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:50,359
Speaker 1: out how to find the people that you want that

891
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 1: exemplify who you want to be.

892
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 2: Yes, find your people, Find your people. Find your people.

893
00:46:57,239 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 2: When in those.

894
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 1: Really tough times when you were like, how the hell

895
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 1: are we going to get through this? What kept you

896
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 1: working on Diagne? What kept you going? I loved my job.

897
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:15,399
Speaker 1: I liked showing up at work. I liked being with

898
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 1: my people. And I think that there's a lot to

899
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 1: be said for company culture.

900
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 2: People are starting to talk about it now, there's been

901
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 2: a conversation around it, But I didn't. I wanted to

902
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 2: create my own culture. I knew that I could create

903
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:38,720
Speaker 2: an environment that was empowering, uplifting, successful, innovative, forward thinking

904
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 2: kind and I wanted the ability to be able to

905
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 2: do that. And I knew that if I knew that,

906
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 2: if I pulled out, I would go get a job

907
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 2: and everyone would tell me, Okay, just go get a job. Yeah,

908
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 2: And I was not doing that. Yeah. It's really interesting

909
00:47:59,239 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 2: to me.

910
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 1: I feel like you have statements where you're so sure

911
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:04,919
Speaker 1: of what you're saying, and you can tell, you can

912
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:08,359
Speaker 1: tell in the way that in Sadie Lincoln talks about

913
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:08,879
Speaker 1: this all the time.

914
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 2: I love Sadie.

915
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 1: She was on the podcast like super early on and

916
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 1: I saw her this week, and when I was with her,

917
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 1: she was talking about how their company is doing all

918
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 1: of these voice workshops and they're talking a lot about

919
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 1: up speak and how when you talk to someone and

920
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 1: you're not sure how you feel, you talk like this

921
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 1: and you the things that the things that you're not.

922
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 2: Sure of and the things that you know are so clear.

923
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:34,879
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's really but I think it's

924
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 1: really special because you're like you knew, you knew. I

925
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 1: didn't want another job. No, I was passionate about what

926
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 1: I was creating. I loved my company culture. Yes, that's

927
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 1: so special to be able to recognize those things, it

928
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 1: was special.

929
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 2: Yes, And I need to go to her workshop. Yeah, Yeah,

930
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 2: we need to go hang out with Sadie. When you

931
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:58,319
Speaker 2: look at where Dagnie is going, what do you see?

932
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 2: Because I feel like when I walked into your showroom

933
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago, I don't even know what

934
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 2: else could exist. You did walk in here with that

935
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:08,280
Speaker 2: not to be seen yet. Bags.

936
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 1: I was like, what's this little bait that you brought

937
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 1: in here? I've never seen it? Yeah, so what can

938
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 1: we expect?

939
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 2: Man?

940
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,839
Speaker 1: And also so I feel like, as a quick side note,

941
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 1: you're already at this point in the episode, this is

942
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 1: not a woman's exclusive company. I think sometimes when you

943
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 1: talk about bags, men are like, oh bags, tune out totally.

944
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 1: But can I tell you that probably most of the

945
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 1: compliments that I get on my stuff are all for men.

946
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 2: That's awesome. Yeah, it's definitely not created only for women.

947
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:37,880
Speaker 2: We did start with women's bags, but I feel strongly

948
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:41,320
Speaker 2: about using the word bag as opposed to handbag, because

949
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 2: that's what it is, and I don't want to see

950
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 2: anyone away. Also, our three six five line is for

951
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:50,359
Speaker 2: men and women. We definitely want to continue to create

952
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 2: bags for men. So maybe you'll see that one day.

953
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 2: But that's good to hear. I'm glad the guys are

954
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:56,280
Speaker 2: liking it. I think that my style has always been

955
00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:00,840
Speaker 2: influenced by men's wear, and I don't I'm not super girly,

956
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 2: but I love fashion, but I'm not super girly. I

957
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:05,799
Speaker 2: love sneakers. I'm a sneakerhead. I love great bags, but

958
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 2: I do like to kind of flirt with the line

959
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:11,720
Speaker 2: of masculine and feminine. We share that for sure.

960
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:16,799
Speaker 1: Okay, So what what's coming from?

961
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:20,800
Speaker 2: Digney? Okay, so sorry, miss your question. What is coming

962
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 2: down the pipeline is a lot of stuff. There's so

963
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 2: much to create. I don't know if I'm allowed to

964
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:33,800
Speaker 2: share anything. Man, I don't know. I didn't. Sanna's looking

965
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 2: at me. No spoilers.

966
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:41,760
Speaker 1: I'm I'm excited about what there is, Okay, I'm excited.

967
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 2: That makes me happy. I'm really excited too.

968
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 1: You have the opportunity right now to offer the Jesse

969
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 1: a piece of advice when she's going through the thick

970
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 1: of it, when she's at her hurdle moment, when she's

971
00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 1: working out all the time, when she's lost in a

972
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 1: class and blacked out.

973
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 2: That's hibarious. That's my that's my quote. What a what

974
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 2: do you tell her? Man? Lighten up, It's gonna be okay,

975
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 2: it's gonna be okay. Just put one foot in front

976
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 2: of the other. It's not that serious. With time, everything

977
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:23,319
Speaker 2: changes and all problems are solved. Sometimes you just have

978
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 2: to wait it out.

979
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:26,799
Speaker 1: Do you feel like you've been applying that advice more

980
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 1: and more every single year. Oh yeah, if I could

981
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:32,320
Speaker 1: speak to myself in that moment, I would say, lighten

982
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:35,839
Speaker 1: the f up, like it's gonna be okay, it's not

983
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:37,839
Speaker 1: that serious, but.

984
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 2: You know, in the moment you can, and you know,

985
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 2: you only know what you know, and you've experienced what

986
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 2: you've experienced, so everything's relative. But yeah, I think lightened up.

987
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:49,479
Speaker 2: And I I mean, honestly, my dad, My dad did

988
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 2: give me advice. And I remember when I heard him

989
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 2: say it. I just broke down crying because that's like

990
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:58,760
Speaker 2: what I was good at at that point. He said

991
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:03,799
Speaker 2: time is the only thing that will heal it, and

992
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 2: I was like, no, but he was right. Yeah, and

993
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 2: it did though, it did for sure, for sure. Dad's man, Dad,

994
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 2: they're the best with the wisdom. Man. This is fun.

995
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 2: It's just fun to wrap about all these things. So fun. Jesse,

996
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:20,839
Speaker 2: thanks so much for coming in. Thank you so much

997
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 2: for having me. Honestly, this has been incredible. Please incredible.

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1000
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Speaker 1: face multiple hurdles in life. I want to hear about yours.

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Speaker 2: find Dagny? Give me the four one one. I am

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Speaker 2: dagneidover dot com. Beautiful.

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