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Speaker 1: Load an, I'm Fiosa and I'm Mala. You're listening to

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Speaker 1: Maka Dona Radio and today we're thinking and talking about

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Speaker 1: the future. We want to dive into Latino LATINX futurism

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Speaker 1: today it's origins and how that applies to a brand

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Speaker 1: new project that we're working on in collaboration with this

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Speaker 1: Latina production company called Pizza Shark.

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Speaker 2: So we recently went to what's basically the Coachella for

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Speaker 2: podcasters called Honor Fest in Brooklyn, and we put on

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Speaker 2: a show, an installation all about podcasting, audio and where

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Speaker 2: the past meets the future. But before we tell you

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Speaker 2: about our Honor Fest experience, we want to run through

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Speaker 2: some examples of futurisms as they have existed throughout different cultures,

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Speaker 2: racial groups, ethnic groups.

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Speaker 1: Starting with afrofuturism. The concept futurism is dedicated to imagining

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Speaker 1: a better future rooted in cultural experiences and influences. And

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Speaker 1: I think one of the most popular or influential in

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Speaker 1: a pillar of afrofuturism is Octavia Butler, the writer, the novelist,

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Speaker 1: the science fiction writer, actually from Pasadena, from Pasadena, California,

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Speaker 1: and she was writing about dystopic quote futures. One of

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Speaker 1: her most famous novels, Parable with the Sewer, was published

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Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety three, but is set in the year

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Speaker 1: is that she was writing about quote dystopic futures, but

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Speaker 1: was really looking at her present day reality and looking

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Speaker 1: at the path that we as a society in a world,

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Speaker 1: would go on if we continued to prioritize corporate greed,

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Speaker 1: that's one of the reasons that her work is still

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Speaker 1: so prominent and still so influential, and again one of

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Speaker 1: we know to be afrofuturism.

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Speaker 2: You can actually visit Octavia Butler's writings and journals at

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Speaker 2: the Huntington Library in Pasadena, which is very cool. I

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Speaker 2: think her estate donated all of them to the Huntington's,

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Speaker 2: so that's something to check out if you're in town.

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Speaker 2: Another example that's always talked about when it comes to

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Speaker 2: studies of black futurism afrofuturism is a film called Space

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Speaker 2: is the Place by Sun Raw.

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Speaker 1: It's a very cool watch. If you've never seen it.

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Speaker 2: I don't know where you can find it online these days,

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Speaker 2: but it's out there. I know I saw it in

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Speaker 2: school at some point, and that's always brought up as

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Speaker 2: an example of afrofuturism in the arts.

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Speaker 1: And it doesn't stop there.

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Speaker 2: There's also such a thing as Indigenous futures, which is

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Speaker 2: a movement art, literature, games, and other forms of media

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Speaker 2: which express Indigenous perspectives on the future, present, and the past.

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Speaker 1: And of course these both aphrofuturism. Indigenous futures can also

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Speaker 1: intersect with LATINX futurism or Latino futurism, which is inspired

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Speaker 1: from afrofuturism and Indigenous futurism and places an emphasis on

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Speaker 1: the creation of a different future in spite of present

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Speaker 1: realities with a strong interaction with the past, considering colonialism,

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Speaker 1: considering ancestral knowledge that is all rooted in what we

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Speaker 1: know to be Latino futurism or LATINX futurism.

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Speaker 2: And to get even more specific, there is a cheek

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Speaker 2: Gana futurism, which was coined by scholar PhD Catherine Sue

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Speaker 3: Futurism in essence interrogates the relationship among the past, present,

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Speaker 3: and future in the America, specifically including literature, visual arts,

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Speaker 3: sound music, and performance that explores the nexus of race, gender,

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Speaker 3: science to achnology, the environment, and the future from a

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Speaker 1: Okay, malis, so what do all of these futurisms or

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Speaker 1: futures have in common.

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Speaker 2: Well, everybody is looking at the way that the past

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Speaker 2: and the present inform the future. And really there are

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Speaker 2: collections of historical realities determining like our lens of expression

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Speaker 2: and coming from a specific cultural and like socio racial place.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. Yeah, and that I think is something that we

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Speaker 1: have dabbled in in our collective work, you and I

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Speaker 1: with through Locatio, through the different topics we've explored, even

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Speaker 1: through different shorts that we've done, Like I'm thinking of

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Speaker 1: our take Me to Your Network. We're getting futuristic, We're

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Speaker 1: getting we're in outer space, and in some ways this

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Speaker 1: new project that we've embarked on is a continuation of

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Speaker 2: We actually met This is like a past present future

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Speaker 2: thing as it really is, because we met Isis of

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Speaker 2: Pizza Shark at podcast stereo Fest Atlas this years ago.

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Speaker 1: It was like twenty eighteen, Yeah, URP.

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Speaker 2: Podcast seeo Fest. It happened once, but it was like

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Speaker 2: like see and talk to and hear from LATINX podcasters

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Speaker 1: Most I would say, most of those podcasts are no

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Speaker 1: Gold Is Collecting, We had Radio Mina, Gothic Go and

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Speaker 1: Cheese Man. Unfortunately these podcasts have folded or stopped producing.

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Speaker 1: But there was that really beautiful moment in time where

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Speaker 1: podcast with her creative partner, Gottrolina, and they had a

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Speaker 1: podcast called Maskafis. Yes. So then fast forward to twenty

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Speaker 2: Brooklyn for the Signal Awards and we run into Isis,

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Speaker 2: and Isis says, oh my god, I met you guys

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Speaker 2: and we were winning a Signal Award for our shows

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Speaker 2: and we're all still podcasting, and so we like reconnected,

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Speaker 2: learn more about what she's been doing. And so she

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Speaker 2: and Gotlina with Pizza Shark have kind of been living

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Speaker 2: parallel lives to us as these Latina podcast producers, but

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Speaker 2: it was just very wild to hear how they're living

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Speaker 1: So of course we had to collapse. And Gottalina is

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Speaker 1: she's been on a yes, pretty wild the parallels and

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Speaker 1: so all that to say. The synergy was there to

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Speaker 1: collaborate together, which is what brought us to on AirFest.

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Speaker 1: We pitched a workshop let's talk about it that is

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Speaker 2: So this is like a very wild concept that I

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Speaker 2: But in person and in actuality on the stage and

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Speaker 2: go and from different coasts. But basically, Editius in Space

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Speaker 2: is an audiophonic time capsule from twenty sixteen to twenty

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Speaker 2: thirty six. It is an ode to storytelling itself, to

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Speaker 2: the human spirit, and to what becomes possible when we survive.

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Speaker 2: Talk about futurism, it's very futuristic.

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Speaker 1: It is futuristic, and I think the heart of this

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Speaker 1: project is imagining a better world, imagining a better future,

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Speaker 1: taking what we know from the past the present, and

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Speaker 1: how we can we use that to shape a better world.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, So this project included oral histories and an entire

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Speaker 2: slate of speculative futuristic podcasts, all of which are set

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Speaker 2: in twenty thirty six. So we imagined what our podcast

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Speaker 2: is going to sound like from LATINX creators ten years from.

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Speaker 1: Now yea, and because we're thinking of because we were

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Speaker 1: also capturing present moment, we interviewed artists, storytellers, creatives of

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Speaker 1: current day, and so I interviewed author novelist Alejandro Eredia.

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Speaker 1: He is the author of Loca. We read that in

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Speaker 1: He's such a thoughtful, intentional wordsmith. He is someone who

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Speaker 1: very insightful storyteller. She has worked on She produced her

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Speaker 1: Her name is Patricia, and she is a psychologist and

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Speaker 2: Can you talk a little bit more about Patricia's oral history,

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Speaker 2: because I really loved what she spoke to.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And she was among many very incredible oral histories,

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Speaker 2: and Isis and Gotolina also collected oral histories, including some

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Speaker 1: And what was so interesting about their collection was that

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Speaker 2: but there's still like calling in to the radio.

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Speaker 1: Station because there's still traffic, because there's still traffic in

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Speaker 1: the sky in the future.

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Speaker 2: That one was very fun and all of this then

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Speaker 2: was coupled with a physical in person art installation where

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Speaker 2: you could then go from like hearing about twenty thirty

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Speaker 2: six and listening to shows from twenty thirty six to

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Speaker 2: stepping into twenty thirty six. And Isis and Gatto were

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Speaker 2: there in New York before us. Also, by the way backdrop,

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Speaker 2: there was a blizzard. There was a blizzard like well

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Speaker 2: all of this like the days leading up and so

446
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Speaker 2: like flights were being canceled and rescheduled and your flight

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Speaker 2: was rescheduled.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, So the Pizza Shark Girls held it down

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Speaker 1: because the idea was that I was going to get

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Speaker 1: there early to represent us and to help with the installation,

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Speaker 1: and then my flight got canceled and so the heavy

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Speaker 1: lifting of putting the room together. Obviously we had all

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Speaker 1: discussed it prior, but Is just really did design this

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Speaker 1: room conceptually. We all, but she was the one who

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Speaker 1: like thought about like, Okay, this can go here, this

456
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Speaker 1: can go here, this can go there, and so they

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Speaker 1: assembled a very beautiful installation where there was Awalita's Corner

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Speaker 1: and when you walk in, that was like the first

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Speaker 1: thing that you see is Awalita's Corner, and it was

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Speaker 1: just a cozy little corner with like go, we have

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Speaker 1: a blanket, a vintage TV where you could also put

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Speaker 1: on headphones and listen to the oral histories, the extended

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Speaker 1: oral histories that we played on stage. It was fabulous,

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Speaker 1: beautifully done.

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Speaker 2: There was also like a space corner where you could

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Speaker 2: take a polaroid with that astronaut's helmet, and we all did.

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Speaker 1: There was a beautiful collection of books and other.

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Speaker 2: Cultural artifacts and Isis edited together a really beautiful video.

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Speaker 1: That was projected onto the wall of.

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Speaker 2: Archival footage with Lamas and Andean women and their grajz

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Speaker 2: with flying cars with the rainforest. So again this idea

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Speaker 2: of futurism, in which a cultural past is merging with

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Speaker 2: a cultural future.

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Speaker 1: In our installation, it was very fun. It was beautiful

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Speaker 1: and like people were visiting like all day.

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Speaker 2: You can also join our living time capsule and get involved.

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Speaker 2: This is a living project that we hope to continue

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Speaker 2: growing and maybe bring to a museum near you one

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Speaker 2: of these days.

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Speaker 1: We hope you're enjoying this conversation. Stay tuned, there's more

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Speaker 1: to come.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for sticking around.

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Speaker 1: We are back. You can also contribute to our oral

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Speaker 1: history project by heading to our website edited in Space

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Speaker 1: That is h E R E D E r xs

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Speaker 1: in space dot com. I'll link that in the show notes,

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00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 1: and we have on the website a list of the

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Speaker 1: five questions that we asked our storytellers and artists. You

489
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 1: can self record and upload and we'll review it and

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Speaker 1: then upload to our website. So we're currently accepting oral histories.

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Speaker 1: They're very minimally edited for sake of it being an

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Speaker 1: oral history, so just keep that in mind as well. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we want to keep this going, we want to keep

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Speaker 1: growing it, and we want to grow out the installation

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00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 1: with more funding, so we can just make it even bigger,

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Speaker 1: beautiful and better. And yeah, we're really excited to see

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Speaker 1: where this goes. And yeah, fabulous.

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Speaker 2: Shout out to the Pizza Shark girls and look out

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Speaker 2: from our collaborations between us and them in the future.

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Speaker 1: Also listen to the oral histories and they're also on

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Speaker 1: the website. Yeah, so you can pruise the website. The

502
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 1: speculative podcasts are on there, so you can hear Wamala

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00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 1: and I were talking about. The oral histories are there,

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00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 1: and then you can submit your own oral history and

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00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 1: pitch your own twenty thirty six podcasts. It was really

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Speaker 1: fun for me to like write a speculative podcast. I

507
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 1: haven't written fiction in a while and so that was

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Speaker 1: really fun for me. It was very fun.

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Speaker 2: It was a really fun exercise out of our our

510
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Speaker 2: regular podcasting work, and so I think we're looking to

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Speaker 2: do more of that also.

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Speaker 1: Can I just say, like, we're at on AirFest right.

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Speaker 1: It was our first time going, but I'm familiar with

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Speaker 1: on AirFest and we emceeed like an LA event that

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00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: they had out here years ago, and you know, it's

516
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 1: like the podcast producers, the hosts. It's like the industry darlings.

517
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 1: It's the indie folks, it's the networks. It's people not

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Speaker 1: just podcast listeners, but predominantly industry people. Yes, Don Lemon,

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Speaker 1: Don Lemon was there, Seth Myers was there. Eric Andrey

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Speaker 1: did a live show.

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Speaker 4: Yes, you know, I was there with guests from La Barega,

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Speaker 4: and yes, our Shapiro was there.

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Speaker 1: We were the same green room, Yes I was. I

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Speaker 1: was like, oh my god. Yes, so all that to say,

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Speaker 1: lots of incredible people that we respect that we had

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Speaker 1: a meyer were there and we got really like creative

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Speaker 1: and funky with our with our project. And I was like,

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Speaker 1: also really proud of us for doing that because we

529
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Speaker 1: could have pitched a live show, we could have pitched

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Speaker 1: like a different type of workshop, but we really went

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Speaker 1: there with like the speculative, with the amount genation, with

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Speaker 1: the futurism of it all. Oh yeah, even to the

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Speaker 1: point we're in the morning, you know, Mal and I

534
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 1: we like all of us dressed in character. Yes we did,

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00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 1: and Mala was like, should I be wearing this like

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Speaker 1: shiny top and glitter?

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Speaker 2: Well, because we had a pitch with ESPN for to

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Speaker 2: pitch like a new podcast like a sports podcast with

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Speaker 2: thirty for thirty so all of this was happening.

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Speaker 1: On the same day.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and so in my mind, I'm like, they're kind

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Speaker 2: of corporate. So do I wear my like futuristic hologram

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Speaker 2: bell sleeve and my glitter lid, like, am I fake

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Speaker 2: ponytail like to the ESPN pitch?

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Speaker 1: Yes? Yes, yes, And and we stood out. We stood out,

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Speaker 1: and we stood out, and I think it was a vibe. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: All day people were complimenting the different things that we

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Speaker 1: were wearing. So it was definitely, I think a lesson

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Speaker 1: and like it's okay to stand out. It's okay to

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Speaker 1: like not look like the corporate like industry. I mean

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00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 1: in its podcast, it's not super corporate, you know, but

552
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 1: it's okay to stand out and not dress like everybody

553
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 1: else and own it and not be shy about it. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: So it was a good time.

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Speaker 2: So glad we went shout out to on air and

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Speaker 2: thank you for having us, and we hope.

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Speaker 1: To be back. Yes, if you are a museum professional,

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Speaker 1: if you work in curation and our curation, if you

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Speaker 1: want to, if you have a space where you can

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Speaker 1: host this project for a longer period than two days like.

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Speaker 1: Please let us know. We would love to bring this

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Speaker 1: concept to La or any state, any place in the world.

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Speaker 1: We want to keep this project going. Oh my god.

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Speaker 2: No, you know who needs us is the Lucas Museum.

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Speaker 2: If they ever open, they should have us. Yes, if

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Speaker 2: they ever open, you guys know.

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Speaker 1: Where to find us. All right, y'all, thank you for

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Speaker 1: listening to another Capito Radio. We will catch you next time.

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Speaker 1: Log Alumnia