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Speaker 1: appropriate for all listeners. We hope you enjoy. From UFOs

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Speaker 1: to psychic powers and government conspiracies, history is riddled with

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Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know. A production of

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Speaker 1: I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. My

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Speaker 1: name is Matt, my name is Nol. They called me Ben.

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Speaker 1: We are joined as always with our super producer Alexis

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Speaker 1: code named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you.

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Speaker 1: You are here, and that makes this the stuff they

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Speaker 1: don't want you to know very special episode. Today we

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Speaker 1: are joined by writer, actor comedian, the one and only

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Speaker 1: links Din Kerman. You have doubtlessly seen Linkston on numerous

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Speaker 1: shows and stages. I'm in particular big big fan of

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Speaker 1: the stand up. He's appeared on so many things, High Maintenance,

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Speaker 1: Insecure and one of our personal favorites. Longtime listeners The

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Speaker 1: Boys over Here Lakes the Lakes have recently launched the

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Speaker 1: podcast that is very near and dear to our hearts,

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Speaker 1: called My Mama Told Me. In this show, Linkston his

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Speaker 1: guests dive deep into the world of groundbreaking and as

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Speaker 1: they said, sometimes silly, sometimes serious, sometimes problematic black conspiracy

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Speaker 1: theories often learned from mother's teaching their kids as are

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Speaker 1: why this immediately hit our radar. We are live in

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Speaker 1: person with Lynkston today. Thank you so much for coming

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Speaker 1: on the show. And well, yeah, this is amazing. I

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Speaker 1: can't wait to uh to to jump into this toxic

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Speaker 1: on your show links and usually there's so much fun

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Speaker 1: We're just we're diving right in. Man, I'm sorry. It's

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Speaker 1: always fun before you do the research, and then you

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Speaker 1: know this is this is horrible. This is a tragic

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Speaker 1: choice that we made. We should have just kept telling

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Speaker 1: our sillies. You know, it's true, it's something we've run into.

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Speaker 1: And you know, one of the first questions I think

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Speaker 1: of our listeners is what inspired you personally, because there's

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Speaker 1: not another show like yours out there now, right in

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Speaker 1: and new. Yeah, I mean I've I've always been I

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Speaker 1: started the podcast. I've always been deeply fascinated with conspiracy theory,

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Speaker 1: now living in Ghana, and UH like is fully like

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Speaker 1: I don't need the vaccine. I'm out here living a

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428
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Speaker 1: whether or not your intention is to put a microchip

429
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 1: in me or kill me or give me syphilis. Probably not,

430
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,439
Speaker 1: But whatever it's in the back of that truck, I

431
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,920
Speaker 1: don't trust that it's the same quality that I can

432
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,879
Speaker 1: go get in, you know, the white right age. So

433
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna chew. I'm just imagining one of

434
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 1: those trucks playing up to one of these gated communities

435
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:41,159
Speaker 1: here in Atlanta, and like the ridiculous wealthy areas, just

436
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:45,160
Speaker 1: trying to get into a gated community. They don't even

437
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 1: like ice cream trucks coming around in those you know,

438
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 1: I mean, just the line of white people holding arms

439
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 1: and blocking the way. They wouldn't never, they wouldn't allow.

440
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,120
Speaker 1: I just I just want to mention one historical precedent

441
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 1: for this distrust that I think is interest saying Jay

442
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 1: Mary and Sims, who's like considered to be the father

443
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 1: of gynecology. Um experimented horribly and inhumanely on enslaved people,

444
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 1: and some of the stuff that he came up with

445
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 1: was good. It is stuff that is still used today.

446
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,639
Speaker 1: So it's like you can still have that distrust and

447
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 1: people that have done these experiments experiments are horrible and

448
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 1: are dehumanizing individuals and minority populations, but the end result

449
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 1: is still something that is used today. So it's a

450
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,479
Speaker 1: really interesting, weird kind of dichotomy there where it's like

451
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 1: how do I how do I like take the good

452
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 1: and throw out the bad, or or learn from history

453
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 1: and not completely harbor this distrust of medical professionals on

454
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 1: the whole. And I think the even more fucked up

455
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 1: on the receiving end of that right is is for

456
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 1: black people, that realization is not as scary as the

457
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 1: fact that they will still put that motherfucker's name on

458
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:56,159
Speaker 1: the stuff. Do you know what I'm saying there, Like

459
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 1: it's they only just now pulled a statue down of

460
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,639
Speaker 1: him in New York, like as it only just happened.

461
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,159
Speaker 1: It's insane. And it's one thing if like, Okay, he

462
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,919
Speaker 1: discovered some stuff that we can still use today. But

463
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 1: the fact that you still feel like you need to

464
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 1: celebrate this dude who literally was like stabbing black women's

465
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 1: vaginas with weird stuff just to and and and forcing

466
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 1: them to do all kinds of messed up things to

467
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,159
Speaker 1: be able to figure out what he needed to do

468
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 1: with a body. Is It's it's complicated it's Look, he

469
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 1: found some things, that's cool, but we don't have to

470
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 1: keep like sharing his baseball card like he's you know,

471
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 1: like there's not an asterisk in in his performance and

472
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,400
Speaker 1: there's not. Yeah, there's not. Like that's that's the thing

473
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 1: because you know, when researched this before, like the terrified

474
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 1: origins of like things that people agree or overall beneficial

475
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 1: or whole. So now we run into stuff where we

476
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 1: still see those people describe like they have a baseball

477
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 1: card like Jay Mary and Sims will tell you about

478
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 1: the horrific, unclean things he did, but we're also going

479
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 1: to tell you he's the father of guy innecology. And

480
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 1: it's like, does he deserve that? You ain't got to

481
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 1: be the father anymore? Man, He's it's a more episode.

482
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 1: Turns out he's not the father given to somebody else,

483
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 1: you know. Compounded on that, the the very long and

484
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 1: uh consistent history, and i'll say it, of Europeans historically

485
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 1: getting credit for ship that other people knew for thousands

486
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:33,360
Speaker 1: of years, like genera in the smallpox vaccine, that like

487
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 1: he Elvis that let's just be honest, that already existed,

488
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: and and it makes me wonder though, when we talk

489
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 1: about this stuff, another thing that we had we had

490
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 1: discussed um and it's I know, it's a it's a

491
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 1: big concern and it's almost cyclical in in conspiratorial thought

492
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 1: is the idea of sterilization. I don't know about you,

493
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 1: but I've, like, I think all of us, one at

494
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 1: one time or another, we have heard someone with utmost

495
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 1: confidence say something like, you know, oh, hey, man, you shouldn't.

496
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: You shouldn't drink that because you know they're putting stuff

497
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 1: in there so that you can't have kids. Later we're like, hey,

498
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 1: you know they shouldn't. You know insert brand x here.

499
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: I drank a ship ton of mountain dew as a kid,

500
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 1: and I maintained that that's the reason I can't touch

501
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 1: my toes anymore. I think that's what did it. Please

502
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 1: don't do that anymore, Matt. You you got to get

503
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 1: off this ship. Well yeah, sorry U, Matt. We weren't

504
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 1: sure how to tell you this, but Lankston and Nolan

505
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 1: I actually got together and this is an intervention. You know,

506
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 1: if we we did. It's so crazy that I'm drinking

507
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 1: is actually because we found out a long time ago

508
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 1: when we were making videos that this product has a

509
00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: flame retardant chemical and it brominade. Yeah, yeah, it does.

510
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 1: And it's the it's the stuff that makes it look citrusy.

511
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: You know, it's got like that cloudy, like that cloudy. Look, No,

512
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 1: that's citrus. It's fine, don't worry about it. Do you

513
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 1: go forth and be fireproof. But here's here's where I'm

514
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 1: going with this, because you know, when you hear stuff

515
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,719
Speaker 1: like that and you're younger, your kid, and especially if

516
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 1: it's someone who has authority in your life and they're saying,

517
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 1: you know, I told you this, then it's I think

518
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 1: it's valid, and it's logical to be like, well, we're

519
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: right about a bunch of other stuff too. And then later,

520
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 1: you know, doesn't it become trippy? Like you said earlier,

521
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 1: you know, we're well, we examine stuff, we have fun,

522
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 1: we do some silly things, and then we you know,

523
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 1: this stuff is all fun until you get into the research.

524
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 1: Is Isn't it trippy when you look back, you know,

525
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 1: maybe as an adult or as a teenage ager and

526
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 1: you can research whether that's your Encyclopedia Britannica where you're

527
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: on the internet and you say, holy sh it, there

528
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 1: were a ton of people getting sterilized. No one talks

529
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 1: about it, like what, what, what's your stance on that?

530
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 1: Do you find that often these things that are treated

531
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 1: as rumors or conspiracies might have grains of truth within them,

532
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: I think almost always. And I think that's again that's

533
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 1: the dangerous part about all of this stuff, is like

534
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 1: conspiracy theorists aren't a hundred percent wrong. They almost never are.

535
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 1: There's like a grain of truth in almost everything that

536
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 1: they're saying, even if it isn't uh, even if it

537
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 1: isn't truly the fact that sort of exists in in

538
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: their argument, it's more of like the sentiment that exists

539
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 1: in their argument, or the motive that exists in their argument.

540
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 1: And so like, yeah, you know, is there any historical

541
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 1: evidence that Ronald Reagan cooks up crack in a lab

542
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 1: and then sold it out on the streets. Absolutely not.

543
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: But was his administration in in a ton of ways

544
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 1: benefiting from the fact that these drugs were out on

545
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 1: the streets and damaging the communities they were damaging. Fuck yeah,

546
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 1: that dude was having a party. And that needs to

547
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,479
Speaker 1: be part of the conversation instead of just going, hey,

548
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: you're wrong, because you know this article proves it or

549
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 1: this statement never exists. It's like, that's not really the

550
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: what conspiracy is? No one in no one in Compton,

551
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: No no one in Chicago owns a coca play uh

552
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 1: coca plantation, right, no one has a room to grow that.

553
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 1: How did it get here? Matt? You had a really

554
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 1: great note in our research duck here just about bringing

555
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:49,719
Speaker 1: up the idea of the war on drugs and how

556
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: it intersects with the prison industrial complex, which we know

557
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 1: is a thing we know, private prisons or a thing

558
00:32:55,760 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: we know individuals and corporations make ship tons of money

559
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 1: by people being incarcerated. So how do you do that

560
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: by making things like marijuana illegal, by flooding the streets

561
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: with crack cocaine and causing an epidemic in these communities

562
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 1: that ultimately lead to people who should be um counseled

563
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 1: and treated like, you know, people with a medical condition.

564
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm simplifying it a little bit, but instead

565
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: of incarcerated and then putting money in someone's pocket or

566
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: literally free labor force that's only we don't have to

567
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: get into that. But it's insane, you know, the whole

568
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 1: thing when you look into just the scratch the surface,

569
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: it's insane, and then you know it goes deeper than that.

570
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 1: At like said, I'm interested in your thoughts on that

571
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 1: whole universe of conspiracy. Yeah, I just think I think

572
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: the hard part about it is that we all understand

573
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 1: so little of the the actual motive that creates these things.

574
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 1: We just understand the results of those motives, right so,

575
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 1: and when you are the recipient of these bad things,

576
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: when when crack does destroy your community, or when you know,

577
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: the prison pipeline does take all of these people out

578
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: of your homes and out of your your your neighborhoods

579
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 1: and ship you go. The government hates us because of

580
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 1: this reason, or because of how we look, or because

581
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,800
Speaker 1: you know, we don't have these kinds of resources. And

582
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:19,359
Speaker 1: the reality is it could just be some motherfucker's going like, Yo,

583
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 1: we need to build a bridge, and we need some

584
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 1: people to build that bridge, and we can't afford to

585
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 1: build a bridge by paying people. So we're gonna, you know,

586
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: make a bunch of slaves do it. And we can't

587
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,760
Speaker 1: call them slaves anymore, so we'll create prisons that allow

588
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 1: us to call them slaves. It's it's gross and it's

589
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 1: it's you know, disheartening, and it's fucking awful for humanity.

590
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 1: But it isn't always the personal attack that we make

591
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 1: it and we as people sort of need to be

592
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 1: able to start to to figure out exactly which what

593
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 1: the reality of these things is and not just what

594
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,479
Speaker 1: it feels like to us on the surface. And it's

595
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 1: and it's it's an incredibly I mean, it's an incredibly

596
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: crucial and and difficult thing to do because of I mean,

597
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 1: so many of the facts that we've just named, Like

598
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 1: in the course of this conversation already, for every like

599
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 1: out there conspiracy theory that we have just talked about,

600
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 1: we have found, well, there is this one thing that's

601
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 1: that's like there's that asterisk though, and that's like, I

602
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,959
Speaker 1: think that's the space and where shows like my mom

603
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 1: had told me and even stuff theyn't want you to know.

604
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 1: I think that's part of where we live. And it

605
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 1: makes me wonder when we're speculating about, uh, you know,

606
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 1: these systems that are in play. One of my favorite

607
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 1: things about government conspiracy theories is there's this contradiction, there's

608
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:47,760
Speaker 1: this paradox. The same people who cannot, for the life

609
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 1: of them get anything right. Are also side like they

610
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 1: can't fix a fucking room. But simultaneously they heard it

611
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 1: all the cats necessary for nine eleven and they did

612
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 1: it in a really smart way. Uh, and maybe that's

613
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,720
Speaker 1: why they're so bad at everything else. And this contradiction,

614
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:12,919
Speaker 1: I think is um This contradiction comes from something that

615
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 1: it's like a psychological cost benefit. I want to see

616
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 1: what you think about this. Would you agree that many

617
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: of the actual conspiracies that the government participates in are

618
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 1: more the result of incompetence rather than super villain e

619
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 1: because I see a lot of like we see a

620
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 1: lot of um like conspiracies that the bulk of the

621
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 1: actual conspiracy ends up being this someone in the government

622
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: was lazy, incompetent, or they fucked up, and then for

623
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 1: decades they tried to cover it up because they didn't

624
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 1: want to look stupid. Like is that out there? Have

625
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 1: I been just like lost in my head or what

626
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,959
Speaker 1: do you mean? I think that's a hundred percent true.

627
00:36:56,080 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 1: I think the government and the police funk up or

628
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:04,800
Speaker 1: than anybody gives them credit for. And I think, unfortunately

629
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: what ends up happening. And this is where the conspiracy

630
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,720
Speaker 1: theory has become really dangerous in my mind. And again,

631
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,720
Speaker 1: you know, personal opinion, I don't. You guys do way

632
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:17,359
Speaker 1: more thorough research than I do. But what I will

633
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: say is that what ends up happening is somebody fox up,

634
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 1: they spend a lot of time trying to cover it up,

635
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 1: and then somebody gets employed that's way meaner than the

636
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 1: people who started the thing and decides to just ice

637
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 1: it all, you know what I mean, Just like they'll

638
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 1: kill off an entire population, or they'll they'll dead the

639
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: entire thing by doing a really awful mean thing, as

640
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 1: opposed to just continuing to fumble uh football over and

641
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 1: over again for another decade. Let's pause for one more

642
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 1: word from our sponsors, and then we'll return with further

643
00:37:50,680 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 1: discussion with Langston Kerm. And we've reached so one thing

644
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: I want to bring up is we've talked about the Internet,

645
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 1: because I see what you're saying there, Lengs and Uh.

646
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 1: When the Internet came around, one of the things that

647
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 1: gave us access to everybody if you wanted to, were

648
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 1: Freedom of Information Act requests. And I know that sounds

649
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: like a weird little thing and almost just a detail,

650
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 1: but before if you wanted to get one of those things,

651
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 1: you had to physically go somewhere, You had to know

652
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 1: what you were looking for. You had to write to

653
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 1: the government, you know, a letter or something and ask

654
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 1: for a specific thing. Now, there were there were places

655
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,800
Speaker 1: on the internet early on where you could find this stuff,

656
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:36,399
Speaker 1: and I think a lot of those end up being

657
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: the kernels of truth, the little piece at the center

658
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 1: that is true. It's definitely, oh, this is this is

659
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: something admitted. This is something the government admitted to doing.

660
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 1: Like when we're talking about the the origins of the

661
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 1: war on drugs in America. Um, you can see all

662
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 1: of these little things that are objectively true, and then

663
00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 1: it's the connective tissue between those things that become is

664
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 1: the conspiracy theory that becomes the the scary part. The

665
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 1: the amount of dumbass documents that government officials have signed

666
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 1: and like printed out and and put on a man's

667
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 1: desk and said keep that we're gonna need it is insane.

668
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 1: It's like, truly, you, you as a human, should not

669
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 1: want this documented. You should want this hidden and burned.

670
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,359
Speaker 1: Why are you saving it? Why is it framed on

671
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 1: your wall? Sir? Posterity links posteric well, well it's policy.

672
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 1: You know, accounting has been writing me like crazy for this,

673
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 1: and he did something like mk Ultra for example, where

674
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 1: this weird rogue agent, I mean he wasn't really a

675
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 1: rogue agent. He was a dude that was intended to

676
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 1: behave in the exact psychotic way that he behaved. And and

677
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 1: and then he dosed you know, normal people with LSD

678
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 1: to try to test the effects of it, but he

679
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 1: went way over the top with it. And then they

680
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 1: you know, have these like you know, basically c I

681
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 1: a sanctioned brothels where he dosed you know John's and

682
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 1: and sex workers with LSD and observe them in his

683
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: little notebook. But in the end, what undid the whole

684
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,319
Speaker 1: thing was these like invoices of him trying to get

685
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 1: paid back for all the booze and all of the

686
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 1: like rental of the brothel property and like even like

687
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 1: mirrors and like sexy decor and like you know, like

688
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 1: velvety lampshades and ship that you know that's crazy. Look,

689
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,879
Speaker 1: we've all we've all thrown a party where your friend

690
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: gets way too funked up on some ship that you

691
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 1: bought and sorry, you have to hurt yourself accountable. But

692
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 1: you don't have to write a letter about this ship.

693
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 1: This is a bad memory for all of us. Don't

694
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 1: don't write about it. Just move on. Pay the dude off,

695
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 1: apologize to his family because you know he's jumping out

696
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 1: of windows and ship, and move just move on. That's

697
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 1: that's the thing that's like, Uh, it goes almost to

698
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 1: like the banality of evil. Not to be too pretentious,

699
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 1: but it always revives me. I was so startled what

700
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 1: I learned that the i RS doesn't care how you

701
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 1: make money as long as they get a cut. It

702
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 1: is technically not illegal to put high profile drug dealer

703
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:16,919
Speaker 1: or like serial arsenists on your little tax forms as

704
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 1: long as you like, as long as you have like

705
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,760
Speaker 1: an estimated this is how much money I make burning buildings.

706
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 1: They're like, all right, bro, and this stays between us,

707
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: like and you know that's what I'm saying. They might

708
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 1: red flag that, but they're not going to deal with it.

709
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 1: They might pass it along. But also overworking and understaffed,

710
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 1: that that ship probably doesn't happen nearly as much as

711
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 1: it should because yeah, I mean to that point, I

712
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 1: just don't think there are that many talented evil doers

713
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 1: out there. There are a lot of people who do

714
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: evil shit, but they're not that good at it. They're

715
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 1: just kind of like capable of like making some fucked

716
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,879
Speaker 1: up choices and then going with it. But they're really

717
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 1: aren't that many, like truly talented people. That's why we

718
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 1: can still talk about Hitler because he was just so

719
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 1: fucking good at it in a way that other people,

720
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 1: since you know, haven't been able to figure out or

721
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 1: at least maintain on any uh lengthy level, not for

722
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: lack of try it, which is even more depressing. Uh

723
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 1: Like That's that's another thing, you know, Um when we

724
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,479
Speaker 1: talk about stuff like this, and I love the point

725
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 1: you make, like why did you write that down? Bro,

726
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: like thinking like you had time to think about whether

727
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: or not this was a good idea. We also have

728
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 1: to remember so much of that stuff got destroyed, so

729
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 1: what we're seeing are the remnants of the things. So

730
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 1: so like we will never know the people listening to

731
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 1: this show now, well, we will never know the full

732
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 1: extent of stuff like m k Ultra and and stuff like.

733
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 1: That's why these can that's why these conspiracies exist, and

734
00:42:56,160 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 1: that's why it's so hard to um, quote unquote bunk one,

735
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 1: and I don't think we should set out to debunk them.

736
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 1: And that's one thing I appreciate that you do, um

737
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 1: so well with your guest, is like you're you're looking

738
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 1: at these right, You're exploring these, and you're saying, well,

739
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: what do we know? What are the facts? And I

740
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 1: think that's much more helpful and rewarding than to just say, well,

741
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 1: I think this is dumb because we were told, we

742
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:26,720
Speaker 1: were told it was a conspiracy theory that international banks

743
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 1: were laundering billions for drug cartels until it turned out

744
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 1: to be absolutely true. And I like, I I wonder, um,

745
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,280
Speaker 1: we gotta do it. I wonder what you think about

746
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 1: some of the things that are emerging now. Like I

747
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 1: would really love to hear your take on and let

748
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,439
Speaker 1: me know if this too big of a question, because

749
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna throw this at you in a very

750
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 1: responsible way for all right, okay, all right, um Linkston,

751
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,919
Speaker 1: what's going on with you? And on? Wait? Wait, what's

752
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 1: that whole thing about? But what's your take on it?

753
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 1: Like it it came from nowhere and now it became huge. Um.

754
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 1: I think uh, I think in a weird way, white

755
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: people stopped uh, stopped being a minority within their own community,

756
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 1: right that, Like it used to be white minorities like

757
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: y'all used to have like separation of your own powers,

758
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: that like everybody knew to be mean to the Polish,

759
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 1: where everybody knew to you know, we didn't care for

760
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 1: this group or that group. And then it's sort of

761
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,240
Speaker 1: became this weird and it's not all white people's fault.

762
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 1: It was a lot of like minorities being like the

763
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 1: white devil, you're evil, you're bad people, all this big

764
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 1: collection of folks. And then with that, uh sort of

765
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 1: became this uh weird hive mind that was born from

766
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 1: that where a lot of people felt like, Okay, we

767
00:44:55,800 --> 00:45:00,080
Speaker 1: all have to to join forces to represent whiteness and

768
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 1: that's not what y'all do. Well, you've you've grown culturally

769
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 1: in this sort of individualistic uh society, right Like black

770
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 1: people we've always had to go like, well, I represent blackness,

771
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 1: I represent a larger community. But white people don't have

772
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 1: to represent each other in that way. And I think

773
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 1: h and on is sort of a a fucked up

774
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 1: misunderstanding of representing a community, Like it's a bunch of

775
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 1: people being like, oh, this is where I can find community.

776
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,840
Speaker 1: This is where I can find my whiteness being articulated

777
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 1: in a way that makes me feel heard and seen

778
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:40,240
Speaker 1: and valuable. And so you can turn to the Internet

779
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 1: and you turn to these people who have secrets, and

780
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 1: now all of a sudden, you're doing just frankly, a

781
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 1: bunch of hood rat ship with people on the internet

782
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 1: because you don't know what it means to be an

783
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 1: actual community. Well, and that collective, you know, idea of

784
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 1: whiteness quote unquote that you're describing it has a name.

785
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 1: It's called white supremacy, right, Yeah, I mean it, but

786
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 1: it's inherently bad and awful. And you're right, I never

787
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:06,280
Speaker 1: thought about it that way. But the idea of whiteness

788
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 1: as a positive thing, that's sort of like a no

789
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 1: no territory, right. But but white supremacy obviously is a thing.

790
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 1: And Q and On to me is a jumping off

791
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 1: point of that and to me and I think we

792
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 1: we'd all agree it's sort of the first example of

793
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 1: this decentralized internet cult um that is super fascinating that like,

794
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 1: it's the first example of that I think that we've

795
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:28,760
Speaker 1: really seen where we don't really have a cult leader.

796
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,800
Speaker 1: It's the idea that is the leader, and it spreads

797
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 1: like a virus through the internet. And also I think

798
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 1: was probably given a boost by the fact that everyone

799
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 1: was stuck at home, uh, just looking for something to do,

800
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:42,399
Speaker 1: and all these like you know, board housewives and people

801
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:44,320
Speaker 1: out of work, they were just clicking around and looking

802
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 1: for something to identify with and just started going down

803
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 1: these internet rabbit holes and then there you go. And

804
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 1: I think I think even more to that point, it's

805
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 1: truly that that group is what makes me feel so

806
00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 1: certain that it is sort of like it's white people

807
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 1: who don't want to be white supremacists but also do

808
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,919
Speaker 1: want to see being proud of white as a good thing.

809
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:09,800
Speaker 1: It's it's a bunch of people who do have college

810
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:13,479
Speaker 1: educations or at least resources to be able to to

811
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,959
Speaker 1: make other choices, but everywhere they go they're being made

812
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 1: to feel like a monster. And then here comes this

813
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,839
Speaker 1: community that doesn't make them feel that way, that makes

814
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 1: them feel heard and seeing like they are inside on

815
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:28,800
Speaker 1: on a conversation and it's all very dumb and like, truly,

816
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 1: you should go do some self reflection instead of turning

817
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 1: to these really bad, mean websites for a way of

818
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 1: you know, creating your identity. But also we as as

819
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 1: a whole have to stop just demonizing entire groups because

820
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 1: that ain't gonna fix them either, you know what I mean, Like,

821
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 1: that's truly not how you make a bunch of suburban

822
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:52,839
Speaker 1: housewives come back to your side by calling them mean,

823
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 1: derogatory names every time they complain about something. I think

824
00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 1: that's I mean that that is such a prof own point.

825
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 1: And I think that's I don't think a lot of

826
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 1: people have thought about the evolution of Q and on

827
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 1: in that way. Um. And what I find two things

828
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 1: about that. I find one thing incredibly insightful, and I

829
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:17,439
Speaker 1: find one thing, um, profoundly hilarious. Like when you when

830
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 1: you said, you know, now those those inner boundaries that

831
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 1: used to exist are are we're eroding? It's uh First,

832
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 1: it's I think it's tremendously insightful because because we have

833
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:35,320
Speaker 1: to remember, especially in the West, in the US, Uh,

834
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 1: there there were these very popular gradients, like the most

835
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 1: bullshit example of it is like and it's insufferable. There

836
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 1: are so many, so many white people who all of

837
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:50,799
Speaker 1: a sudden feel super irish one day of the year,

838
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:54,439
Speaker 1: they don't, they don't speak Irish, they've never been there,

839
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 1: they have no idea where Dublin is. But by god,

840
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 1: they're getting drunk. And and then there's this other thing

841
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:05,399
Speaker 1: with like you know, it wasn't that long ago historically

842
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 1: when there was a huge um there was like huge

843
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 1: amounts of racism that like trickled down against like Irish

844
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 1: people were like actual Irish people, not the people lying

845
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 1: at the bar in St. Patrick's day were like less

846
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:23,320
Speaker 1: than wider. They would say, like, you can't trust the poll,

847
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:27,280
Speaker 1: and these ideas like trickled down because then those people

848
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 1: who are getting sort of shot upon were able to say, well,

849
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 1: at least i'm not you know, insert person here. And

850
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 1: Lyndon Johnson was the one who was like, if you

851
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 1: can convince the poorest person, the poorest white person, that

852
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:43,240
Speaker 1: they're better than someone else, they will do whatever you want.

853
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 1: And unfortunately he was right. But here's the hilarious thing.

854
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 1: The way you just described Q and On, it feels

855
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 1: like a very weird um superhero movie or Lord of

856
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 1: the Rings where they all get together and despite their differences,

857
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 1: and there's some guy in Minnesota. It was like, even you,

858
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 1: my fellow poll we're not so different. Yeah, they're all

859
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 1: just making this weird uh walk to to their demise basically,

860
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 1: but you know, they think they're saving the world, and

861
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 1: it's in that way. I guess it's meant to be endearing.

862
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's just all I do take a

863
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 1: lot of solace in the fact that they've kind of

864
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:25,800
Speaker 1: that que kind of like just left them out to dry,

865
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:28,799
Speaker 1: and now they they're just sort of wavering with these

866
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 1: feelings and no explanation. It's the same thing that happens

867
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 1: with so many culture They make some sort of doomsday

868
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 1: prophecy and then that ship doesn't come true, and then

869
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 1: where then what are you left with? Feeling kind of

870
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 1: like you were duped or doubling down and just pushing

871
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:46,760
Speaker 1: it even further out of like some weird misplaced sense

872
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 1: of justice. I don't even know. It's very confusing. I'm

873
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:53,240
Speaker 1: sure you guys have seen it. But that that lady

874
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 1: mother God, I think I was certain. Yeah, who she

875
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 1: got killed. She got fucking murdered by her people. Now

876
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 1: mad didn't know she no, I think she died of

877
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 1: cancer and then they like kept her body and it

878
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 1: was like mommified. It was reserving ship. Yeah, they put

879
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 1: glitter on her eyes and stuff. It was it was dasty,

880
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:25,959
Speaker 1: but sorry, like we just didn't. We just talked. It's

881
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:28,359
Speaker 1: a lot to take in though, and like that, you know,

882
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 1: it reminded me of like, you know, Heaven's Gate kind

883
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:34,239
Speaker 1: of situation. Um, but it was even weirder than that.

884
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 1: And I didn't fully understand what the point was, Like

885
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 1: it was about a comet kind of wasn't a matt

886
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 1: We remind everyone, like what did the whole central She

887
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 1: she had been reincarnated over five billion years nineteen billions

888
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 1: dating the existence of this universe, and she was a

889
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:57,919
Speaker 1: mean alcoholic, would beat the ship out of him every

890
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 1: time she drank at night. But I will say, and

891
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:03,759
Speaker 1: you brought up Heaven's Gay I I actually really respect

892
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:07,360
Speaker 1: the Heavens Gay people. As far as the cult is concerned.

893
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 1: I think that they they were they really believed what

894
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 1: they were saying in a way that was truly endearing

895
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 1: compared to I think a lot of these other people,

896
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:22,800
Speaker 1: like Mother God Lady doesn't believe she's a reincarnated version

897
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 1: of God. She's just a drunk who who wants to

898
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 1: control people. But d and or what was his name

899
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 1: dough and t. They truly believed everything they were saying,

900
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 1: so much so that they were willing to castrate others,

901
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,479
Speaker 1: castrate themselves, all for the sake of sort of being

902
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 1: free of of the you know, the life that they

903
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:45,880
Speaker 1: were leading. And it was consensual, which I think is

904
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 1: the most head trippy part. Oh yeah, that's there is

905
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:55,359
Speaker 1: a new documentary about Heaven's Gate that just came out

906
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 1: that I really want to see. But Apple White, the leader,

907
00:52:57,800 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 1: he took his own life too. Write like, I mean,

908
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 1: they all put their money where their mouth was poison

909
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 1: or whatever, and that's fucking tight. I don't know that

910
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:13,359
Speaker 1: they committed to the bit they followed through man and

911
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:16,320
Speaker 1: we you know, we're we're a world with a species

912
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 1: where a lot of people are out of contexts could

913
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 1: sound very fucked up, but a lot of people are

914
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 1: all talking, they're not committal, Yeah exactly, And these these

915
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:27,879
Speaker 1: people truly believed in what they were saying. I don't

916
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:30,719
Speaker 1: think it's right. I certainly am not encouraging anyone to

917
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 1: go join a cult and take their own lives, but

918
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 1: I do think that, like much in the way that

919
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:39,759
Speaker 1: we were talking about Encyclopedia Britannica. Commit to something, make

920
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:42,320
Speaker 1: a choice about what the facts are for your world,

921
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 1: and live in that world as opposed to living in

922
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 1: this nebulous space where everything is right and everything is wrong.

923
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 1: And now we're all just arguing over the most ridiculous stuff.

924
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 1: I think that's fair. But we are also just kind

925
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 1: of describing the way cults take people in because they're

926
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 1: looking for an there, and cults are inherently damaging. I

927
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:06,279
Speaker 1: want to be a cult leader someday. And that's the

928
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 1: whole reason I came on this podcast. I can see it.

929
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 1: I can see it. I agree with good at it. Man,

930
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 1: I think you have again, but I want to like, like,

931
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:19,760
Speaker 1: I want to make sure you know what you're getting into, dude,

932
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 1: Like I walked back, because you're on call all the

933
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 1: time with really clingy people until you get to figurehead status.

934
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:31,759
Speaker 1: You're like a really underpaid anesthesiologist. You gotta take these

935
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:34,839
Speaker 1: texts at three am. Remember what weird ship you said

936
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 1: to them earlier. Get the nomenclature right, that's fair, I

937
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 1: got your back. Brainwashing is a full time job. It's

938
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 1: not the easy, uh, the easy trip on the beach

939
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:48,919
Speaker 1: that I think we've all imagined it to be. Well,

940
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:52,880
Speaker 1: this is how you start. You buy a small store

941
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:55,839
Speaker 1: call it books and stuff, and then just have your

942
00:54:55,920 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 1: messages blasting out everybody walking on the street. You slowly,

943
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 1: you slowly become more stuff than books and plus you know,

944
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 1: I think we can agree on air man um if

945
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 1: if you, if you decide when and go through with

946
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:12,880
Speaker 1: it and commit to the time, got your back, produce

947
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 1: some advertising to press the flash for you. We'll be like, hey,

948
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 1: we know we talked a lot about cults on this

949
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 1: show over the years. Um, so we finally have one

950
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:25,880
Speaker 1: we'd like to recommend. We checked it out. It's a

951
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 1: good friend Lankston. Uh, he's solid and he's got some

952
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 1: he's got some good stuff to say. I love the

953
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:35,240
Speaker 1: idea of of there being some sort of cult advertising

954
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:40,840
Speaker 1: right after, like Warby Parker Glasses. Just you're promoting certa

955
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 1: mattresses and also a maniacal cult. Both of those things

956
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 1: are available for your your subscription. Are you feeling lost

957
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 1: well to worry? Yeah, So like this is so one

958
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 1: thing we're running into. I know, I know that we've

959
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 1: we've been talking about a lot out of things. Um,

960
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:04,840
Speaker 1: really quickly, the time is flown by there. There are

961
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:07,400
Speaker 1: a couple of things that we just had to I

962
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:09,919
Speaker 1: had to ask you about because this is kind of

963
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 1: this I don't know about you guys, Matt Noel. I

964
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:15,360
Speaker 1: found myself in a sort of rare situation where I

965
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 1: heard a concept, um, we're talking before the show that

966
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 1: I had never heard, which is this Lankston, you said,

967
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 1: what about the idea that vaping isn't bad for you?

968
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:30,720
Speaker 1: Those deaths were just early cases of COVID. I've never

969
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 1: heard that. Oh hell yeah, I I think I that

970
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 1: was just me talking. I think I do think. I

971
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 1: genuinely remember in twenty nineteen, that that end of nineteen

972
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:47,800
Speaker 1: when everybody was like, vapants killing people, everybody's dying from vaping.

973
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 1: No their talk. Yeah, they're taking the fucking jewels off

974
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 1: the shelf. They're like now making commercials to tell kids,

975
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:57,439
Speaker 1: don't you dare go near a jewel, it will kill you.

976
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:01,400
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden it was the conversation anymore.

977
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 1: But then COVID started popping up. So I don't have

978
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 1: any evidence of this. I don't even want to begin

979
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 1: to present it as if I've done the research, but

980
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 1: I will say the timing seems funky as fun in

981
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 1: my mind. Well, we we have something to bring to

982
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 1: the table here, actually, because it was found that quite

983
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 1: a few of those deaths I don't believe it was

984
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 1: everyone could be explained in this way, but quite a

985
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 1: few of them that made news had to do with

986
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 1: um it was weed oil or you know, the vapes

987
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 1: like weed vapes, and there the juice and the juice

988
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:49,800
Speaker 1: and there were there were a couple of groups. But

989
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 1: it really was found. You could read about this in

990
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 1: the Washington Post. It really was found that vitamin e

991
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 1: acetate was being added to several of the mixtures essentially

992
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 1: and was actually killing people. The vitamin e ascetated levels

993
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 1: that shouldn't be in bodies, and it was actually really

994
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 1: damaging and appeared to kill multiple people. Wasn't that black

995
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:12,880
Speaker 1: market vape juice? Though? It wasn't like the stuff you

996
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:14,560
Speaker 1: would buy off the shelves. I mean, there's so much

997
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 1: black market still obviously with not being legal everywhere where

998
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:20,960
Speaker 1: you get you know, the cartridges or whatever from someone

999
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 1: or maybe they make it at home. You don't know

1000
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 1: what the process is, not that it's like super transparent

1001
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 1: or you know, everything that comes from places you buy

1002
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:31,280
Speaker 1: comes from vapes, you buy dispensaries. But I believe wasn't

1003
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 1: it traced to like local kind of like you know,

1004
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 1: dealers that were making the stuff themselves. Yeah, but Matt,

1005
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 1: I'm disappointed to know that COVID, Big COVID got to

1006
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 1: you man. Maybe they did. Okay, the CDC's right over here,

1007
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 1: but hey, you know what else is right over here,

1008
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 1: you guys in Alpharetta there is the headquarters for the

1009
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 1: Colonial Pipeline. Have you guys been reading about any of

1010
00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 1: that lately? What's going on with the hack? Yeah? So

1011
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:01,720
Speaker 1: I try to go out last night to get gas

1012
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 1: over here off Beauford Highway, and there was no gas.

1013
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 1: So I drove to another gas station and there was

1014
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 1: no gas. And do you guys, I mean, I'm sure

1015
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 1: we all kind of understand that feeling, or can at

1016
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 1: least empathize with that feeling, But needing or wanting needing

1017
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:18,600
Speaker 1: or wanting to put gas in your car and it

1018
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 1: not being available is really scary, because you know, in

1019
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 1: those times, in some of these the most frightful times

1020
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:29,520
Speaker 1: in this country and across the world, I think, is

1021
00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 1: when there's mass panic occurring. And I just wanted to

1022
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 1: ask you, guys in lengths and you in particular, like,

1023
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 1: what do you do to both prepare your mind and

1024
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 1: your surroundings for when one day ship hits the fan

1025
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 1: from like it doesn't matter what it is, like there's

1026
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:49,200
Speaker 1: just chaos. What do you do hoarding everything? Hoarding everything?

1027
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 1: I'm kidding, I gually don't know. I think, uh, you

1028
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 1: know this is this is like a news story that's

1029
00:59:55,760 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 1: sort of being hidden underneath a lot of news stories.

1030
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 1: At least it feels that way, and that like they're

1031
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 1: not even sure how to fix it quite yet, so

1032
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 1: they're not trying to make as big of a deal

1033
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 1: about it as it probably is. That like a bunch

1034
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:13,200
Speaker 1: of hackers figured out a way to cut off an

1035
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 1: entire coasts of of oil and gas and ship. That's

1036
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:21,440
Speaker 1: insane and so like, I truly don't know what to

1037
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:23,960
Speaker 1: do with any of these feelings. I really want a

1038
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:26,880
Speaker 1: gun and I don't have one yet, And uh, I

1039
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 1: think I don't know what that's supposed to do. But

1040
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:31,919
Speaker 1: boy would that make me feel at least like I'm

1041
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:36,280
Speaker 1: I'm preparing for an apocalypse if I had one. Yeah,

1042
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:39,000
Speaker 1: it's I mean, it's the uncertainty, you know, you would

1043
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:42,400
Speaker 1: think that there would be more like the democratization of

1044
01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 1: information logically should give us more sources of information. But

1045
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:51,920
Speaker 1: we're we're finding, at least here in the West, is that, um,

1046
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:55,760
Speaker 1: the faucets that control the flow of knowledge are really

1047
01:00:55,800 --> 01:01:01,080
Speaker 1: being held by relatively few players, right, So, like we know,

1048
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:07,200
Speaker 1: like I I know this sounds paranoid, but I think

1049
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 1: we're all on the same page after seeing so many

1050
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:16,240
Speaker 1: things that have had a recording spin, you know, like

1051
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:18,920
Speaker 1: like another thing. Just to point this out for everybody

1052
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:22,600
Speaker 1: listening who's hoarding gas. I understand it's easy to confuse

1053
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 1: fear with fore thoughts, but I think a lot of

1054
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:29,760
Speaker 1: these people don't know. Gas goes bad. Gas goes bad,

1055
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 1: and about three months, yeah, it's it's gonna sit in

1056
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 1: your garage next to a pilot toilet paper because if

1057
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 1: you were hoarding that, you probably didn't shoot enough to

1058
01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:40,080
Speaker 1: get through all of it. And then you've got these

1059
01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:43,400
Speaker 1: tanks that you can't sell, so now your garage just

1060
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:45,960
Speaker 1: looks and smells weird. Be safe, folks, And if you

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Speaker 1: only listen to more podcasts and invest in that tushy bidet,

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Speaker 1: it would have been a much better situation, you know,

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Speaker 1: when the ship hit the fan. Literally it wasn't that

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Speaker 1: a weird trippy situation though, Like that feeling of going

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Speaker 1: to the grocery store and shelves just being bare, whole

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Speaker 1: aisles like you know, canned goods, like that was the

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Speaker 1: closest I've ever felt to like, Oh, this is what

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Speaker 1: the Apocalypse is gonna feel like when it starts, and

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Speaker 1: maybe this is it's starting. Maybe this is it's starting now.

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Speaker 1: And that that was the part that scared me the most,

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Speaker 1: was like it very well did feel like this was

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Speaker 1: its starting, and I truly just still winning got pop tarts,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like I tried to pretend

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Speaker 1: it wasn't starting because I wanted my normalcy back, and

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Speaker 1: that's fucking nuts, Like we we should have all just

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Speaker 1: started pushing shelves down and fighting each other, but instead

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Speaker 1: we pretended to still have like, you know, conventions at play.

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Speaker 1: And it's well, that's your brain helping you out, dude,

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Speaker 1: because I mean, you're our brains are remarkably adaptable, and

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Speaker 1: we normalize things so quick. You know, I remember how

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Speaker 1: quickly I just kind of just started stopped paying attention

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Speaker 1: to the like remain indoors signs everywhere, and like everyone

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Speaker 1: in masks all of a sudden, like after a pull

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Speaker 1: a months, it just kind of felt like the norm.

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Speaker 1: And occasionally I'll do a little reality check where I'm like,

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Speaker 1: wait a minute, oh yeah, this is still mega weird,

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Speaker 1: and y'all wonder why people are skeptical of the government vaccine.

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Speaker 1: Come on, come on, just to get your pop tarts,

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Speaker 1: join the right cults everything, you know. Pop tarts are

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Speaker 1: a great choice, by the way, I mean just it

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Speaker 1: would last for a long time, if you need it

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Speaker 1: on longer than gasoline. That's that's a fact. They should

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Speaker 1: put that in the box. What flavors you go for?

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Speaker 1: I this is never a welcomed response, but I love

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Speaker 1: the unfrosted strawberry Those are my fucking favorite. Like unfrosteds. No,

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Speaker 1: that's awesome, man, Wow, nobody ever likes it. Everybody's like,

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Speaker 1: what the funk is wrong with you? And I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I like the cinnamon sugar ones and people don't like

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Speaker 1: those either. I was, I was, thank you, okay, alright,

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Speaker 1: Well we've got like we're The thing is, we have

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Speaker 1: so many more things to talk about. It would be

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Speaker 1: awesome to have you back on the show in the future.

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Speaker 1: If if you're at all interested, I'm awesome, and we

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Speaker 1: also want to know. Like, as people are listening to

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Speaker 1: show today, um, they're thinking we'll probably get letters about this,

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Speaker 1: they're thinking, why didn't you talk more about you know

1107
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Speaker 1: this thing? Why didn't you ever bring up this thing? Well,

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Speaker 1: that's because if that's because this show is not My

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Speaker 1: mom has told me. If you want to hear those

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Speaker 1: full conversations and if you want those deep dives, um,

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Speaker 1: please do check out this show. I know we talked

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Speaker 1: about it off air, but one of my favorite episodes,

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Speaker 1: one that really made me think was the most recent one,

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Speaker 1: which in which Linkston, you and your guests, but Year asked, Hey,

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Speaker 1: why are all these billionaires super into getting into space? Now? Yes,

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01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:06,480
Speaker 1: we we unpacked a lot of the sort of newfound

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Speaker 1: space exploration that's coming from Daddy Bezos and Daddy Musk

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Speaker 1: and all the other powerful people. And butser who is

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Speaker 1: a very Butsher Salahuddin, who is a very brilliant comedian

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Speaker 1: and writer, theorized that there's a real possibility they're just

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Speaker 1: planning to send us to space, which I had not

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Speaker 1: ever considered themselves. But they were like he's like, nah

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Speaker 1: funk that they're gonna stay on Earth where the you know,

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Speaker 1: the Earth will be a lot cleaner and less populated

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Speaker 1: and instead send a bunch of poor idiots to space instead.

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Speaker 1: Oh boy, one way, the first trip is free. But

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Speaker 1: there is something, uh that that you wanted to bring

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Speaker 1: up right? Well? Yeah, Well, I I just to give

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Speaker 1: anybody listening another suggestion, I would say, listen to the

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Speaker 1: episode where where what is it? Oh, you're you're talking

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Speaker 1: with the Megan Markle of background actors ums and sorry,

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Speaker 1: he'll get a kick. Uh and uh. It's just a

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Speaker 1: great discussion and I think it lines up a lot

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Speaker 1: with if you if you like listening this show, it's

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01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:18,560
Speaker 1: it's funny, but there's like some very serious conversation happening

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Speaker 1: in the background there. Um, just recommend that episode. Yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: I I It's one of the reasons I think you

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Speaker 1: guys have such a great show is the ability to

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Speaker 1: to dance between a healthy, fun, light conversation and some

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Speaker 1: real heart wrenching ship that maybe people should be stressing about.

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Speaker 1: And and that's a it's not an easy dance to do,

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Speaker 1: and you do it well. So I really appreciate you

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Speaker 1: having me. It's been a pleasure. Many take that coming

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Speaker 1: from LINKSN take it because we have. You know, I

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Speaker 1: think we've made a pretty clear um to our fellow

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Speaker 1: conspiracy realist that we we don't just enjoy my mama

1147
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Speaker 1: told me. We all believe it is an important show, um,

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Speaker 1: and it's doing something that is only going to become

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Speaker 1: increasingly important in the future. But also that's not the

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Speaker 1: only thing that as far from the only thing you

1151
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Speaker 1: have on the horizon. Been hearing rumors about an upcoming

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Speaker 1: show with HBO. Yeah, yeah, called Pause with Sam J.

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Speaker 1: Could you tell us a little bit about that? Yeah, so, uh,

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Speaker 1: it's a late night talk show hosted by my dear

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Speaker 1: friend and and uh now boss Sam J. She's hilarious,

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Speaker 1: she's great, and it it really is just uh grumpy

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Speaker 1: lesbian taken on the world and and really, you know,

1158
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1159
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Speaker 1: a long time has been a bunch of of of

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Speaker 1: sort of like white stiff voices and she's doing the

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Speaker 1: complete opposite of that. And I've been very lucky to

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Speaker 1: head right this show and it's great and you should

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Speaker 1: check it out right now on HBO. It's it's on

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Speaker 1: HBO and HBO Max. And it's funny and and it

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Speaker 1: also says some stuff that means something but maybe not.

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Speaker 1: It's a half hour television. Who cares, that's perfect. I

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Speaker 1: just want to say, personally, thanks so much for coming on,

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Speaker 1: like it's been Honestly, it's one of the podcasts I

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Speaker 1: listened to all the time, Like the stuff you did

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Speaker 1: with some of the snl uh folks that are on

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Speaker 1: right now, like Chris Red and I go wo to him,

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Speaker 1: like some of those conversations man, the spaghetti the spaghetti thing,

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Speaker 1: like I couldn't stop laughing. It's just great. Really, no,

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Speaker 1: this is so much fun. I'm so happy that I

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Speaker 1: got to be here, and I'm so happy that you're

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Speaker 1: returning in the future. In the meantime, if people want

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Speaker 1: to learn more about your work within the field of comedy,

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Speaker 1: where can they go to to learn more or to

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Speaker 1: follow you online? Now that we've talked about dangerous social

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Speaker 1: K E R M A N. It's my first and

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Speaker 1: last name. Nobody else wanted it, so I got all

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Speaker 1: the direct contact for that um and yeah that you

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Speaker 1: can follow me there and please listen to my mama

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Speaker 1: told me it comes out every Tuesday's and now Thursdays.

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Speaker 1: We do many episodes. So yeah, it's fun. It's a

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Speaker 1: cool time. Well that was great. I we're we're recording

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Speaker 1: this after the interview, but what a fantastic time. And

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Speaker 1: we looked into so many conspiratorial ideas. You know, it

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Speaker 1: it's great. Yeah. Man, I'm telling you that Ego Wildum

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