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Speaker 2: We said it all guys, we've had a lot of episodes.

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Speaker 2: There's nothing left for y'all to say. I don't know,

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Speaker 2: but I don't know when y'all gonna get the point.

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Speaker 2: But I mean, how many thousand episodes do we need

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Speaker 2: It's that easy. Yes, all right, let's get into the

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Speaker 2: episodes on our website, all right, Episode twenty eight thirty eight,

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Speaker 2: Dorothea's and Black Karen's love us. We're good in those demographics,

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Speaker 2: so I don't think we need to do a poll,

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Speaker 2: No doubt it. We did get some comments. Appia says,

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Speaker 2: I started doing yoga a year ago. I only went

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Speaker 1: You really love at the forty that works.

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Speaker 2: This comment was meant to motivate people ninety percent, and

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Speaker 2: the bragging was only ten percent. Hey, look man, like

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Speaker 2: I said, I've never been threatened my people.

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Speaker 2: I played basketball so much, I was very proud of them.

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Speaker 2: I didn't give a fuck what people thought. Like I

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Speaker 1: Like, I was like, honestly, it was to my advantage.

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Speaker 2: I was like, oh, cool, you don't think I can

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Speaker 2: and the it was like, oops, wrong, bitch, So I

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Speaker 1: It didn't bother me.

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Speaker 3: But for some people, they would come in and they'd

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Speaker 1: It's like, oh my gosh, I.

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Speaker 3: Can't believe you've been The bending of your body and

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Speaker 3: your bone structure has nothing to do with your weight.

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Speaker 3: I think a lot of people associate if you're able

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Speaker 3: That's not true that having people they could twist themselves

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Speaker 3: It's about flexibility, like like how your body is able

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Speaker 3: almost like not all the time. But I've realized that

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Speaker 3: some of the times they actually care more about the students,

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Speaker 3: because I've been to several of them than other teachers,

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Speaker 2: Aba says about my relationship. Every other guy I've ever

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Speaker 2: and I never met anyone else who I thought would

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Speaker 2: be a better fit overall, and the love is there.

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Speaker 2: So dealing with the strong introvert seems to be something

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Speaker 2: that is a learning for me in this life. So

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Speaker 2: I don't even think that the grass is greener somewhere else.

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Speaker 2: It's just drying another spot and very probably way less

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Speaker 2: green overall.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel you on that.

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Speaker 2: I wasn't saying that you would think it was greener.

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Speaker 2: I was talking about in general, how people will be like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: your mind it's like, Okay, I wish they were a

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Speaker 2: And I think, you know, there's this idea of like,

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Speaker 2: with me, But then there's always, like you said, some

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Speaker 2: dry spot in their grass where it's just different. You're like, oh, okay,

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Speaker 2: I actually don't want this either. So shoe Booty says

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Speaker 2: the Shoe Booty origin story. Family nickname comes from all

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Speaker 2: throughout in the family. I remember that show. Why did

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Speaker 2: it's not like I wore one shoe with one boot.

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Speaker 2: He just thought it was funny and it's stuck now.

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Speaker 2: She did put a link to YouTube or not yank link.

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Speaker 1: Grew up thinking of one was beautiful.

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Speaker 5: Oh different things.

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Speaker 1: What tell me what I think? Koan school? Tell me

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Speaker 6: Well, I remember one went to journal's depression.

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Speaker 1: Then why we not no money?

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Speaker 6: Of course your man or it's your job, your question.

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Speaker 6: Wore out his shoe, one shoe, so I come go

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Speaker 5: So I had a shoe and one foot there and

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Speaker 5: So the kids called me shoe booty.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's the holler shoe booty.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, here's the holler show.

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Speaker 1: Do you fruity?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: Comes shoot, and then kept calling me that. Then I

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Speaker 2: All right, So that's the clip from where the name

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Speaker 1: Anybody could have been flying the plane. What's happening here?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a DEI pilotte named Conrad Aska flew his cargo

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Speaker 2: This is a bunch of clowns in front of boeing.

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Speaker 1: I know it's racist. That's some good race ass hilarious.

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Speaker 2: Is this one of those d I DEI flight crew?

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Speaker 2: So now the whole crew the first anybody but white

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Speaker 2: And it's a d I flight crew. Hope everyone is

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Speaker 1: Ooh, that's good. Not the equity in its press.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, get good old racism A lie, that racist ageism.

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Speaker 1: They're so racist, Yes, they so racist.

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Speaker 2: It don't make sense. D I strikes again. It was

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Speaker 1: Yes they do.

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Speaker 2: While in the airplane designed by Diversity Hires, and that's

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Speaker 2: You know that you know from the panel that fell

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Speaker 1: I was in that racism hilarious.

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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, because it just it just mean anybody

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Speaker 2: we have rap comments on this? Hell so yes, on YouTube,

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Speaker 2: get off for MLK day? Sixty four percent did, twenty

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Speaker 2: Damn almost the same percentage seventy percent, and then ten

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Speaker 2: Jonathan Major's weekend was the Q and A key, says Karen.

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Speaker 2: And I also think it's a failure the restorative justice people,

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Speaker 2: and so you want to promise people like a pipe

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Speaker 2: have to wrestle with in the concept, and that's.

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Speaker 1: Where the work comes in.

443
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Speaker 2: And I think, you know that you're never gonna get

444
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Speaker 2: there as long as people feel like you're hiding one

445
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Speaker 2: hand behind.

446
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Speaker 1: Your back, I think.

447
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Speaker 2: But but yeah, but there's a lot of people that

448
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Speaker 2: they basically use the restorative justice shit when they want to,

449
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Speaker 2: but then other times they they drop that shit when

450
00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:03,520
Speaker 2: you can't handle it, you know, when it's something racist,

451
00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:06,600
Speaker 2: when it's or whenever it's your thing, when it's a

452
00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:10,280
Speaker 2: social media post from somebody, and it should be something

453
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Speaker 2: that we go, yeah, they made a social media post,

454
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Speaker 2: they made a mistake.

455
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Speaker 1: We should move on.

456
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Speaker 2: When it's a celebrity, when a celebrity does something, when

457
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Speaker 2: a sports figure does something. If we truly believe in restorage, restoration,

458
00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,040
Speaker 2: forgiveness and shit, we should be able to move on.

459
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Speaker 2: But it's still people mad at Will Smith two years

460
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Speaker 2: later for a fucking smack, like, yes, sir, we are

461
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Speaker 2: not those people that we pretend to be. And most

462
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Speaker 2: of the time when people are really advocating for that stuff,

463
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Speaker 2: they're really kind of in a way advocating for themselves.

464
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Speaker 2: So it's like, therefore the grace of God go I.

465
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Speaker 2: If it's somebody I can see myself being, then all

466
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Speaker 2: of a sudden, I'm for a restorative justice. But if

467
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Speaker 2: it's somebody doing a crime, I can't relate to that.

468
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Speaker 2: Motherfucking need to go jail, right.

469
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Speaker 3: And when you talk about crimes, we're talking about all crimes.

470
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Speaker 3: We're talking about even the heinous ones, and they don't

471
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Speaker 3: want to get into the nitty greedy of murder and

472
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Speaker 3: rape and childlist station and shit like that. Them the

473
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Speaker 3: topics you don't want to touch. But you know, if

474
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Speaker 3: we're going to quote unquote not trying to be funny,

475
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Speaker 3: be real with it, we got to.

476
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Speaker 1: Cover all of the crimes, all of the crimes. Yeah,

477
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Speaker 1: you would need a.

478
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Speaker 2: Reforming of of like the moral compass of our country

479
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Speaker 2: and the way we look at stuff.

480
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Speaker 1: And I don't know that people want to do it, right.

481
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Speaker 2: DJ Zenway says, didn't know you had an anniversary, Happy anniversary.

482
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Speaker 2: I can attest to the damage of yelling. Had many

483
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Speaker 2: years of past voices echoing in my head, determined in

484
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Speaker 2: my behavior, dealt with many, but still some at sixty two.

485
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I truly do believe that study.

486
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Speaker 2: I think what happens is people get a bit defensive

487
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Speaker 2: because one some of us grew up with that too.

488
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Speaker 2: Some people are doing that to their kids now, they don't,

489
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Speaker 2: you know, and so hearing that this shit could actually

490
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Speaker 2: be damaging, the first responses to be like, no, no, no.

491
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Speaker 1: It can't be that damage.

492
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Speaker 2: No, no, no, right, But I mean we know people

493
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Speaker 2: that deal with issues to this day, and you're like

494
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Speaker 2: that shit probably started someone yelling at yall ass and

495
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Speaker 2: when you're a kid.

496
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And also truth be told for a lot of people.

497
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Speaker 3: And it's something that I had to kind of look

498
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Speaker 3: within myself when people get defensive and things like that.

499
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Speaker 3: A lot of times all jucuicide, a lot of it

500
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Speaker 3: comes from they want to defend their parents' parenting all jukuside.

501
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Speaker 1: Like, like, if I.

502
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Speaker 3: Said there's something wrong with this, I have to question

503
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Speaker 3: how I was raised. I have to question how my

504
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Speaker 3: parents raised me. I have to look at my parents

505
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Speaker 3: as people that I flawed people. I can't look at

506
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Speaker 3: them as this perfect thing anymore, you know, because that's

507
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Speaker 3: how some people look at their parents. I know other

508
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Speaker 3: people don't, you know, but for some people that's how

509
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Speaker 3: they look at their parents. And so a lot of

510
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Speaker 3: people put their parents up on pedestals and things like that.

511
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Speaker 3: But it's just one of those things where if I

512
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Speaker 3: say that there's something wrong with this, I have to

513
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Speaker 3: question the whole foundation of my parenting of who I am.

514
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Speaker 3: I have to question the flaws within myself, Like you know,

515
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Speaker 3: I have to really really sit down with it.

516
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Speaker 1: And I think because.

517
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Speaker 3: Like I said before, people view true in this property

518
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Speaker 3: and not small people. I think that sometimes they have

519
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Speaker 3: a tendency to forget that you're talking to another human being.

520
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Speaker 3: And part of a parent is to sometimes admit that

521
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Speaker 3: you're wrong. And that's very hard for some parents to

522
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Speaker 3: do because society tells you you're the parents, you're right,

523
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Speaker 3: you know what to do, You got your shit together.

524
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Speaker 3: That's bullshit. No parent has it all together, nobody. They

525
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,400
Speaker 3: all make errors, they all make mistakes. They all, you know,

526
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Speaker 3: have their own things they pass down to their children.

527
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Speaker 3: Every child is different. You can have two parents, can

528
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Speaker 3: have multiple children in each child turns out completely different.

529
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Speaker 3: And so it's a lot of complexity. It's a lot

530
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Speaker 3: of gray area in there. And when you start talking

531
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Speaker 3: about this, you really start talking about the gray area

532
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 3: and a lot of people's lives. You start talking about

533
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Speaker 3: I've done worked all day, I'm tired, I came home

534
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,399
Speaker 3: and I'm frustrated, and now I have to sit and

535
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Speaker 3: check myself before I raise my voice in Yale, you know,

536
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:58,359
Speaker 3: And that's something that's that's a learned behavior. You know,

537
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Speaker 3: you have to say, Okay, give me a time about

538
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,640
Speaker 3: y'all and then come back and talk later. But it's

539
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:08,120
Speaker 3: natural to do that quick thing, because guess what, it's

540
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 3: quicker to just yell than to actually go through that

541
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,959
Speaker 3: thought process in your brain that kind of work through it.

542
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 3: You know, a lot of parents are like, I got

543
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,199
Speaker 3: shit to do, We gotta do this tomorrow. I'm just

544
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 3: trying to help you get to the next day, and

545
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,920
Speaker 3: I quote unquote don't have time for all this meandering

546
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Speaker 3: and bullshit. That's why a lot of people push back

547
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:28,919
Speaker 3: on quote unquote gentle parenting and things like that. But

548
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Speaker 3: gentle parenting is not a bad thing. It's not always

549
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 3: all bad. I think a lot of people quote unquote

550
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 3: reject it because they think it means no discipline. They

551
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 3: think it means you just allow your child to do

552
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 3: what they want to do, and that's not true. It's

553
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Speaker 3: the fact that you have to reevaluate your relationship with

554
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 3: your child and what it means, and how do you

555
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 3: want your child to think about you. Do you want

556
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 3: them to fear you, do you want them to be

557
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,119
Speaker 3: scared of you? Or do you want a mutual relationship

558
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Speaker 3: with your child? That makes a difference.

559
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree on all that stuff. I think, Yeah,

560
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:04,640
Speaker 2: it's just hard for people to kind of grasp those

561
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:10,640
Speaker 2: things because there's so much trauma that we all deal

562
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 2: with and dealt with, and yeah, you know, it's like

563
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 2: when someone brings up the idea of not hitting their kidding,

564
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 2: it's like, but my parents hit me, and if it

565
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 2: wasn't for those whoopings, I wouldn't have But I don't know,

566
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 2: maybe they would have been if they would have talked

567
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 2: to me, it still might have been fine. Their kids

568
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,640
Speaker 2: that didn't get whoopings that grew up fine. There's kids

569
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 2: that didn't get whoopings that grew up in fucking monsters.

570
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 2: So a lot of it just feels like a crapshoot.

571
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 2: Two people can grow up in the same house and

572
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 2: end up with the same discipline, it ended up completely different.

573
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:40,639
Speaker 2: So I think a lot of this is kind of

574
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Speaker 2: a crap shoot.

575
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Speaker 1: The other thing is.

576
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Speaker 2: Just just in general, when it comes to raising kids,

577
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 2: it is always a slope of evolving.

578
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:49,479
Speaker 1: That is.

579
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:51,880
Speaker 2: You know, if you go back and I remember watching

580
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 2: document on PBS. I don't know the name of it, guys,

581
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I just watched it a long time ago.

582
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 2: It was just on the channel, and it was about

583
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 2: out child discipline throughout the centuries in America.

584
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Speaker 1: And motherfucker.

585
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,639
Speaker 2: Yet some of the stuff that was happening at the

586
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Speaker 2: turn of the centuries to kids.

587
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Speaker 1: Did you watch this something?

588
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 5: No?

589
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,439
Speaker 3: And I may have because I remember them talking about

590
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,640
Speaker 3: the disciplines and how they used to beat their kids

591
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 3: and whip their kids, and how each generation quote unquote

592
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,439
Speaker 3: got a little bit softer and got a little bit

593
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Speaker 3: softer as far as like the disciplines.

594
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Speaker 2: I was specifically remember of talking about like stuff like

595
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Speaker 2: back in the day, people were taking like burning like

596
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 2: stuff and burning their kids like that was normal.

597
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Speaker 1: It wasn't like and then child service came and took

598
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Speaker 1: the kid. It was like No.

599
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 2: Sometimes the disciplined the kid. You hit them with this

600
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 2: the back of metal brush or something, and it's like

601
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 2: shit that that was very obviously trauma inducing. And then

602
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 2: those kids had to raise kids, and then it gets

603
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 2: a little better each generation, and I think you get

604
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Speaker 2: to a point hopefully where you know everyone's doing the

605
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Speaker 2: best they can all. Right back to this, sid our

606
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Speaker 2: girl said, says Jay Major's weekend is wild off every MLK.

607
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Speaker 2: It's my b DA too. Oh, happy birthday to a

608
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Speaker 2: real one. Prop for being so vulnerable with your health journey.

609
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Speaker 2: Motherfuckers be wild with the commentary I know, and opinions

610
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 2: even when they intend to be nice and healthful. I know,

611
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Speaker 2: I know. This is why I normally don't talk about it.

612
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Speaker 2: Doctor Uzo eighty two says. A few months into the

613
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Speaker 2: new job, a staff member asked me if I plan

614
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Speaker 2: on working on Mlkday. Ask why anyone was going to

615
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Speaker 2: be at work on Mlkday since then the office closes

616
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Speaker 2: on Mlkday. Nice you one of the ones. I feel

617
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Speaker 2: you justin does that kind of stuff at his job,

618
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 2: Shannon says, Just so y'all know, I got caught up

619
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 2: on a podcast on the holidays and decided that anticipation

620
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Speaker 2: was too much for me.

621
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Speaker 1: I'm back to being behind. Gotta do what works for me.

622
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is why I don't listen to y'all when

623
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 2: y'all be like, man, y'all slow down. It's like y'all

624
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 2: like being behind. Some people like being caught up. You'll

625
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 2: catch it if you want to, right, What can I say?

626
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 2: All Right, that's it for that episode. Let's get to

627
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 2: the next episode. Episode twenty eight thirty nine is Drake

628
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Speaker 2: the storying hip Hop. Now, I just want to say

629
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 2: the title of this episode. I took some inspiration from

630
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 2: a man cav on Stage for his podcast Here's the thing.

631
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 2: A lot of times he'll name the episode like something

632
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 2: they talked about, or like frame it as a question

633
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 2: that they never really were saying. So we never really

634
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Speaker 2: said Drake was the story of hip hop. Nope, most

635
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 2: death never said Drake was the story of hip hop.

636
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 2: If you listen to that quote, but it makes so

637
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 2: a better headline, and maybe most people will listen if

638
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 2: they're like, wow, Roder Carret think Drake is the story

639
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 2: and hip hop.

640
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 1: I better check this out.

641
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 2: But we never said that, you know, but we you know.

642
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 2: But but this episode did better than a lot of

643
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 2: the other episodes.

644
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 3: It was about a hotly disappointed when they clicked yeah,

645
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 3: they thought them gonna get a rap debate.

646
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 2: They got our most listeners of the week, so I

647
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 2: say now and by why margin, by about maybe four

648
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 2: hundred and five hundred extra listeners than.

649
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: The other episodes.

650
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 2: So this is why Kevin Stage is so smart man.

651
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 2: This is why he's gotten to where he's at because

652
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 2: he knows how to work them algorithms and shit.

653
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: And I said, let me see it.

654
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Speaker 2: This works, and so yeah, twenty eight thirty nine is

655
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Speaker 2: Drake destroying hip hop?

656
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: We got four comments are says.

657
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 2: I don't know if Drake is hip hop or not,

658
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 2: but I know that I find all his songs forgettable

659
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 2: and sometimes wonder why he has so much success.

660
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's very subjective, so who knows.

661
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 2: You know, like you're a white lady from Germany, it

662
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 2: might not even really be your genre.

663
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 1: You know, they jail you know, so, Kiki, do you

664
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 1: love me? He he got some bops?

665
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think also a lot of songs are

666
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 2: forgettable at this point because we're old.

667
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we you know, we've consumed a lot of music,

668
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 3: and particularly nowadays, the way music is kind of thrown

669
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 3: at you.

670
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: It's so much to choose from a lot of people.

671
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 1: They listen on to next, on to next.

672
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 3: Yeah.

673
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 2: The issue though with Drake is not that Drake Drake

674
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 2: is ubiquitous. Jake is too big for the like like Drake,

675
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 2: Drake got way too many hits for it to be

676
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 2: quote unquote forgettable. Yeah, it's not forgettable. We're not in

677
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 2: the demo. We're old. I agree, So the same way

678
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 2: Drake might be quote unquote forgettable if I started going

679
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 2: down the list of the top radio hits in America

680
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 2: top or top charts or whatever on Spotify and America,

681
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 2: and just hit play at a party full of people

682
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 2: our age. They're all gonna sound forgettable because what we're

683
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,959
Speaker 2: really remembering from the hits of our youth are what

684
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 2: it felt like to be young.

685
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're remembering the experiences we have.

686
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 2: Remembering college, remembering parties, remembering whatever. Like, there's a bunch

687
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 2: of shit that truly is forgettable music. In my opinion,

688
00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 2: I'll never forget because to me, those songs me something.

689
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 2: So a song like Doodoo Brown, which is not a

690
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 2: good song if you technically break it down, really it's not.

691
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 2: I'll never forget it. I've heard it at every football

692
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 2: game I've ever been to.

693
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 1: PEPSI always cool, right, So I think I think that's

694
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 1: the big difference. She says.

695
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 2: Karen is so funny, while she explicitly tells us she

696
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 2: doesn't try to be funny.

697
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 1: Imagine if she would try, we couldn't handle it. I suppose.

698
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think the worldom been exploding. If

699
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 1: I can sat down and got my thoughts.

700
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 3: To be like you know what, I'm going to actually

701
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 3: exercise this brain of mind to be all over the

702
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 3: place and write.

703
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 1: Some thumps down. I don't know if I could handle it. Uh,

704
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 1: Hustle No Flow.

705
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 2: I think she's just picking on you, always going I'm

706
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 2: not trying to be funny, that's all I. Hustle No

707
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 2: Flow says, it seems like Angela, Ryan and the crew

708
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 2: have been friends with Charlamagne and God since they were

709
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 2: all younger coming up in media, because I remember them

710
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 2: talking to him back in the day, So it seems

711
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 2: like they tried to treat him as serious when he's not.

712
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 2: With podcasting and streaming, it doesn't seem like that as

713
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 2: a current day version of the Time Joiner Show, where

714
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 2: even though they were joking, they also have real serious

715
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 2: segments and recurrent news segments that treated things with more

716
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 2: gravitized than what you get with the Breakfast Club, which

717
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 2: is always.

718
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:13,320
Speaker 1: Going viral for nonsense.

719
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 2: With your time in New York and the other people

720
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 2: in the industry, did you ever ask them what is

721
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 2: their relationship like with Charlemagne to God? Was there a

722
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 2: lot of love behind the scenes and good stuff that

723
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 2: we don't see. Well, Hustle No Flow, I didn't really

724
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 2: ask people about Charlemagne and their relationship. I did talk

725
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 2: with somebody that worked for him and his show, and

726
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 2: this dude basically was like, you are so lucky they'll

727
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:35,800
Speaker 2: be working for Bomani.

728
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 1: And I think that tells me a lot.

729
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,879
Speaker 2: It's like, you have a dream job, like you are

730
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 2: not worried about you know a bunch of shit that's

731
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 2: superfluous to your job, and you know this motherfucker getting

732
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 2: you in trouble or shooting down good ideas, or you

733
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 2: write something smart and it's like, we can't say that

734
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 2: it's too smart or whatever.

735
00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 1: So but I don't know people's.

736
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 2: Relationships with them behind the scenes as a mover and shaker,

737
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 2: and as far as their relationship with him, it's interesting.

738
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 2: I did go listen to their podcast, Andrew Gillam, Angela

739
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 2: Rie and Tiffany Cross's podcast Native Land.

740
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 1: I listened to the second episode, and.

741
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 2: First of all, if you're interested in listening, I say

742
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 2: you go listen, just because Tiffany Cross breaks down how

743
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 2: she ended up leaving MSNBC and all the turmoil and

744
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 2: all the like backstabbing and all that stuff. And to me,

745
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 2: it's been a while she's never really told that story

746
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 2: that I've seen anywhere, and So to hear her tell

747
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 2: that story was dope because it confirms a lot of

748
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 2: stuff that people think about MSNBC and white liberals in

749
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 2: those spaces. And then also for me, it kind of

750
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 2: crystallizes where her point of view is now, because I

751
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 2: do I'm not gonna I wouldn't say bit.

752
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 1: Or something like that.

753
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 2: I think that's like a loaded term to try to

754
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 2: make people whatever. I think she is justifiably upset and

755
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:13,399
Speaker 2: angry with even the democratic liberal white people that were

756
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 2: the people in charge at MSNBC supposedly during that time

757
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 2: that basically blackball her, kicked her out of there and

758
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 2: and Tird feathered her reputation on the way out the door.

759
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 2: And I think that comes across in her commentary and

760
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 2: her point of view right now. I think, you know,

761
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 2: when she went on Charlemagne's show Breakfast Club and said,

762
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 2: oh yeah, I was saying democrats, so I was really

763
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 2: thinking talking more about the media. I don't know if

764
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 2: that's like one hundred percent true, But the anger towards

765
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 2: the media I could get because they did her dirty.

766
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 2: You know, they did her dirty. Tucker Carlson is working

767
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 2: for a whole nother channel. His opinion should not be

768
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 2: enough to get her escorted out the door.

769
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 1: Correct. So. But but the.

770
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 2: Other thing about that podcast, it doesn't sound like that

771
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 2: segment they did with Charlamagne, And that's one of the

772
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 2: problems with I think tying yourself to somebody that is

773
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 2: so publicly like I'm just out here to be controversial

774
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,240
Speaker 2: or get these clicks or whatever.

775
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 1: The clicks justify the.

776
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 2: Ends or the means I think them on their own platform,

777
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 2: I totally understood the points they were making about, you know,

778
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 2: voting Democratic Party blah blah blah. I'm not saying I

779
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 2: even agree with all of it, and some of it

780
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 2: was very generalized in platitudes, you know, the same issue

781
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 2: I have with a lot of these figures that talk

782
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,760
Speaker 2: about politics but won't get into anything specific.

783
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 1: Whenever they're getting critical, they just say stuff.

784
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, I understood it

785
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 2: more and it was more reasoned on the podcast than

786
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 2: it was with Charlamagne and them. I have some bigger

787
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,760
Speaker 2: misgivings about the way things are framed with the black

788
00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:00,839
Speaker 2: vote and the way that media people who always put

789
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 2: their their face on the cover of the album, but

790
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 2: ain't no album without my face on the cover. Of

791
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 2: the album kind of vibes, you know what I'm saying,

792
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 2: Like it's that I'm doing this for the people, and

793
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:12,800
Speaker 2: this is for the people, but yeah, my name gotta

794
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 2: be on the front. It's James Brown and the band,

795
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. So it's like there's a

796
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 2: always gonna be a conflict of interest in a cash

797
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 2: twenty two with people like that, because like, you make

798
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 2: your money through self promotion, but then you say your

799
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 2: promotion like, but it's all about the people, But that

800
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 2: means that they cancel your show.

801
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 1: Then they cancel the show.

802
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 2: Of the people, which immediately puts you on a higher pedestal,

803
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 2: in a more importance than everybody else. But but that's

804
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 2: just a conflict. I think that exists within all those

805
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 2: spaces where you you can't make a show without branding,

806
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,280
Speaker 2: but you also want to make a show about something.

807
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:51,839
Speaker 2: And then it's just do people think you're righteous or not?

808
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 2: I don't know, but yeah, I think Charlamagne drags drags

809
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 2: them down because their relationships with him compromise them. It

810
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 2: just it is what it is, is Twitter and social

811
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 2: media spaces, and a lot of people think of Charlomagne

812
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 2: as a guy who allegedly got away with sexual assault,

813
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 2: and think of a guy who's been extremely crashed in interviews,

814
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,439
Speaker 2: The think of a guy who trots out republican right

815
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 2: wing conservative talking points, a guy that goes to democratic

816
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:25,720
Speaker 2: events like sits down with Stacey Abrams and Kamala Harrison

817
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 2: then goes on the air and pretends that he doesn't

818
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 2: know what they're doing and says, why aren't they out

819
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 2: here trying to do anything? And where are they at

820
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 2: and where is it? Why aren't they promoting? And so

821
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 2: it feels like he's an op. And so people go

822
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 2: for y'all to be such righteous, stand up people, for

823
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 2: you to say you stay with the lgbtq Q community,

824
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 2: but then you know you're paling around with a guy

825
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,399
Speaker 2: that laughed when a little real, I mean a little well,

826
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 2: but laugh when damn. I can't even remember that dude's

827
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:57,720
Speaker 2: name anymore.

828
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 1: God did he fall off. I'm just out of the

829
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,800
Speaker 1: loop anyway. I see his face, but I can't remember.

830
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:09,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, some some with you niggas had that dope bad

831
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:14,439
Speaker 2: song living the good life, living my best life. That dude, yes,

832
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 2: little deval So, like you said, a guy set up

833
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 2: there with a little deval and laughed at the idea.

834
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 1: Of killing trans women for deceiving them.

835
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 2: And that was like a day or two after having

836
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 2: Janet Mank on the show, a trans woman who they

837
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 2: asked about her genitals, Like, this is not the space

838
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 2: for you. It happens all the time, but for you

839
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 2: to hold yourself out as who you claim to be

840
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 2: to occupy this space, it feels a bit hypocritical, and

841
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 2: it feels like it should be like beneath you.

842
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 1: But look, money makes strange bad fellows.

843
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 2: Their imprint, their their podcast is under his imprint at

844
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 2: our heart, and so you you know, you gotta go

845
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,360
Speaker 2: on there and promote, and that means you cut him slack,

846
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 2: and that means you defem Angela Roy's on Twitter basically

847
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 2: make it sound like a conspiracy that this man was

848
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 2: accused of sexual assault, a conspiracy from what a police

849
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 2: report from years ago, Like I don't I'm not saying

850
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 2: whether or not you think he did it, but just

851
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:18,879
Speaker 2: a conspiracy is some is a completely different thing than

852
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 2: just anyway. My point being they they laying down with them,

853
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 2: so they have to do that shit, and or they

854
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 2: are the type of people that would do that shit.

855
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 2: I don't think you have to, but that you know,

856
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 2: because they could just not respond. I think if that

857
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 2: was if I was working for him and he was

858
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 2: accused of this shit and y'all were in my mentions

859
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 2: on Twitter, like Roy Hockey work with somebody like that,

860
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 2: I would literally not respond because I would probably be

861
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 2: thinking the same thing y'all are thinking, which is like,

862
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 2: y'all know why I'm doing it for fucking money.

863
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 1: Like everybody else did with their jobs and they managed.

864
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:53,760
Speaker 2: And I know I've been saying this for a while,

865
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 2: but I've been talking about this for a while, but

866
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 2: I have to add one more thing. I don't think

867
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 2: it's a coincidence that they're start in this podcast at

868
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 2: the beginning of twenty twenty four when it's gonna be

869
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 2: extremely important election cycle. And I'm not saying that in

870
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 2: a good way of like, because they just need to

871
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 2: get their voices out there and help the people know,

872
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 2: because they could have done that last year, They could

873
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 2: have done that the year before. I think they're doing

874
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 2: this because in the election cycle, there's gonna be tens

875
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:22,359
Speaker 2: there's gonna be billions of dollars pumped into all kinds

876
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 2: of media to get people to vote and something I've

877
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:30,320
Speaker 2: noticed in their discussions. Something I'm noticing more and more

878
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 2: in all the discussions from black people within the politics

879
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 2: spere who try to make their money off of discussing

880
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 2: the politics. They're dealing with racism and bias in that

881
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 2: they don't get the money that these other people get

882
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 2: for doing the same thing. And I think this is

883
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 2: a very important part of the equation that isn't being

884
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 2: discussed very much. But like she brought up how Ellie

885
00:42:56,640 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 2: miss Style goes on MSNBC and has never been paid. Yeah,

886
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 2: there's white people that go on MSNBC much less than

887
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 2: he does. They would have got a check. Now, you

888
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 2: don't gotta agree with what Ellie be saying. There's a

889
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 2: lot of shit. I don't agree with Ellie and his

890
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 2: characterization of Merrit Garland and stuff.

891
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 1: But I think there's white people.

892
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 2: That go on there and say shit and they get

893
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 2: a check. They get moved up into like some type

894
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 2: of correspondent or contributor role. You know, there's there's a

895
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 2: podcast that are black that talk about politics that will

896
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 2: never get the ad dollars. They'll never get asked, hey,

897
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 2: can you can we advertise on your thing? Because y'all

898
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 2: talk about politics and this is a space we think,

899
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 2: you know, it would be dope for us to be

900
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 2: able to push our campaign, you know, a couple of

901
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 2: years ago when we were with Spotify, so we couldn't

902
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 2: do it because Spotify is a rule against it. But

903
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 2: when we were Spotify, the Biden campaign reached out to

904
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 2: us and said, hey, could we advertise on your show?

905
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 1: And I was like, hell, yeah, we we want him

906
00:43:59,640 --> 00:43:59,919
Speaker 1: to win.

907
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 2: Like, it's no, I've never been U like, I don't

908
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 2: I don't find whatever it is that Charlemagne finds and

909
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 2: being like, hey, these Democrats ain't gonna make me seem

910
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 2: like no bitch, Like I don't care.

911
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,280
Speaker 1: About that shit. I'm not. If I'm gonna vote.

912
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 2: For them, it's because I believe in them, or believe

913
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 2: that they're a better alternative, and I would like the

914
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 2: people that hear me.

915
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 1: To understand that. So it's never really bothered me in

916
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 1: that way.

917
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 2: But yeah, so there's a lot of money that these

918
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 2: people are frozen out of, and so what you hear

919
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 2: them advocating for that sounds like sour grapes, and it

920
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:37,959
Speaker 2: kind of is, and it's not. It's not a big

921
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 2: picture thing to a lot of us because we don't

922
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 2: work in that industry, so it doesn't matter to us.

923
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,320
Speaker 2: But what you're hearing is a lot of them saying

924
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 2: there's inequality here, even on the Democrat side, where the

925
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,240
Speaker 2: money is not divvied up in the way I would

926
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:55,839
Speaker 2: like to see. And I'm not getting the money, but

927
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 2: my friends ain't getting the money. Other black people are

928
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 2: work in this industry, ain't getting the money, but white

929
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:04,800
Speaker 2: people finds his money in the white pockets and established pockets,

930
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 2: and they don't really fuck with us. And that is

931
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 2: what a rubber meets the road for a lot of them,

932
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 2: and they're privy to that knowledge. And they're not doing

933
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:15,800
Speaker 2: a great job of like explaining that, in my opinion,

934
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 2: because they don't want to sound or look greedy. They

935
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 2: don't want to make it sound like this is just

936
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:23,240
Speaker 2: about money. But at the end of the day, for them, that's.

937
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:23,879
Speaker 1: How you make it a living.

938
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 2: So it is gonna be about the money, and that's okay.

939
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 2: So when I listen to that podcasts and they were

940
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 2: talking about some of the kind of tongue like they

941
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 2: were kind of talking about it almost hush hush without

942
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:37,359
Speaker 2: saying names, but it was like this kind of idea, like, yeah,

943
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 2: and the Democrats are so righteous, why the money not

944
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 2: coming to us? And I think that's a valid point

945
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 2: that isn't being discussed. Yes, now they've elected themselves the

946
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 2: arbiters and the whispers and the pie pipers are speaking

947
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 2: to try to speak to black people, and shit, I

948
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 2: don't know if that's true. You know, I think they

949
00:45:56,719 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 2: promote themselves as you know, who's gonna lay the Democrats

950
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 2: message to the bus driving black person. I'm like, I

951
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 2: don't know that the bus driving black person doesn't understand, right,

952
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 2: you know my cousin that don't vote? Okay, Well your

953
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 2: cousin and don't vote? Is that cousin? Also like, well,

954
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 2: I gotta wait on see what angela Ura gonna tell me.

955
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 2: I don't know that they that they have any more

956
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:21,919
Speaker 2: in the street's credibility than anybody else.

957
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:23,840
Speaker 1: But doesn't matter.

958
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:26,799
Speaker 2: Those are the punits, those are the analysts, Those are

959
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 2: the people in those spaces. Why the fuck don't they

960
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 2: get the bread? They black? Because, like, cause they're black?

961
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 2: Is that why they're not getting the money that you're

962
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 2: throwing at these other people? So there's a lot of

963
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 2: moving things going here. I'm sorry to monologue for so long,

964
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 2: but I wanted to thoroughly answer your question.

965
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 1: No problem ask for Drake.

966
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:46,800
Speaker 2: When his last album came out, people that listen to

967
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 2: his music were regularly commented that he feels like he's

968
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 2: trying to stay stuck at a young point, and that

969
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 2: his music doesn't seem to be aging with him as

970
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 2: he works the formula to keep appealing to the same

971
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 2: age demographic. It's odd to now hear some of those

972
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 2: folks act like they don't understand the point that stuff

973
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 2: is making when it really seems similar to what they've

974
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:05,839
Speaker 2: said about the music before. Most knew that saying it

975
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 2: would be seen as hate. Yeah, and I think he

976
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:11,799
Speaker 2: was hating a little bit. I think a lot of

977
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 2: things are true. At the same time, Most was hating

978
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 2: it the little a little bit. Most kind of was

979
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 2: hating on his peers in that way Most doesn't like and.

980
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 1: Does it make that kind of music he does.

981
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 2: I think he gives a pass to probably the people

982
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 2: that are cool with him, like people that like, you

983
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 2: can't say jay Z, he's not hip hop. But I

984
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 2: feel like there's definitely some songs most would be like,

985
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:34,919
Speaker 2: not that shit you know what I mean.

986
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, jay Z's has some hippie hop bops.

987
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 2: Too, right, And then as far as uh Drake music,

988
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:49,799
Speaker 2: I mean we want to say that his fans don't

989
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 2: like it or people don't like it. I think you

990
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 2: just gotta get away from social media. Social media does.

991
00:47:56,560 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 2: There's a big push of we don't like Drake, but

992
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 2: the numbers don't lie.

993
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 1: No, they do not.

994
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:07,320
Speaker 2: People listen to his albums much more than they listen

995
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 2: to any other hip hop albums.

996
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 1: Somebody like that shit, you know, So.

997
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 3: I not be you, but somebody look somebody that's they

998
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 3: motherfucking gym and they can't wait till the next goddamn album.

999
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, the numbers don't lie, man, So I don't. I

1000
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 2: don't even know what to tell people. At this point.

1001
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 2: We living in a bubble of we don't fuck with Drake,

1002
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 2: but it's clearly not. It's clearly not the way other

1003
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 2: people consume it. Motherfucker sells out the tours and shit,

1004
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:36,919
Speaker 2: I mean he does people people fuck with him. Evie says,

1005
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 2: I don't think Drake is rolling and hip hop and medley.

1006
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 2: I didn't look, I don't listen to him regularly. I

1007
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:42,879
Speaker 2: think in general hip hop in the last several years

1008
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:44,879
Speaker 2: hasn't been that great to me outside the women who

1009
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 2: I think are killing the game. Well, that's what's funny

1010
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 2: is I would say, then if you believe that, then

1011
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 2: hip hop has been great because it's not just that

1012
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 2: the women are killing the game. The women are making

1013
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:58,359
Speaker 2: up a huge, a huge portion of the way hip

1014
00:48:58,360 --> 00:48:58,839
Speaker 2: hop is.

1015
00:48:58,920 --> 00:48:59,360
Speaker 1: Correct.

1016
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 2: So if you would have said that, like say in

1017
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety six, when there's like five women that we

1018
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 2: knew their names that were putting out an album, then

1019
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 2: we were like, yeah, women, the women are killing it,

1020
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 2: but that that's not good for it, Like that doesn't

1021
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,399
Speaker 2: mean hip hop is good. I think at this point,

1022
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 2: if women are killing it, that means hip hop is

1023
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 2: good because it's so fucking many women rapping right.

1024
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 3: And also, the thing is, how gotta say this maybe

1025
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 3: just the way I feel about it, it's like you're

1026
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 3: almost contradicting yourself because if you say the women, then

1027
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 3: you mean hip hop because women are part of hip hop.

1028
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 1: It's like you it's like almost like you're separating the wind.

1029
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, That's what I'm saying. I'm saying.

1030
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:39,839
Speaker 2: I'm saying there was a time where I would have

1031
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 2: understood that. There was a time when it was Foxy Brown,

1032
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 2: Little Cam and it's like, okay, so the women killed

1033
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:49,319
Speaker 2: it this year, but hip hop was still having a

1034
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:49,799
Speaker 2: down year.

1035
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 1: It hasn't been that good when you're talking about these

1036
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 1: last few years. Okay, yes, it's not so many women

1037
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:58,800
Speaker 1: women dominated. Yeah, it's so many women.

1038
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 2: I don't know how you can even say, like, oh, yeah,

1039
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 2: the women are killed. Do you know, like women are

1040
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 2: killing hip hop? But it's not you know, nah, if

1041
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 2: the women are killing, then that means hip hop is

1042
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 2: in a good place.

1043
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, because it's all in my mind. I know it

1044
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 3: sounds wild. My mind has always been all in Cumberson,

1045
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 3: But yeah, I can see people dividing it up when

1046
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 3: you can literally, you know, pick pick the chocolate.

1047
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:21,799
Speaker 1: Chips out of the batter.

1048
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:24,280
Speaker 3: But now it's so many of them that that's almost

1049
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 3: impossible to kind of separate women out of the group.

1050
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:28,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's.

1051
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:32,359
Speaker 2: A huge difference to me watching women with like their

1052
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 2: voices get into the game and really get to say

1053
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:38,959
Speaker 2: stuff as opposed to you know, back when we felt

1054
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 2: like men were writing for all the women in the

1055
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 2: first place.

1056
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:44,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Also, the thing is, I like the fact

1057
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 3: that I know a lot of sis head straight men

1058
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 3: don't like this quote unquote A lot of the true

1059
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 3: hip hop fans, women are dominating the game all of that.

1060
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:54,319
Speaker 3: Women are talking about rapping about the shit that they

1061
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 3: want to rap about. So that's why a lot of

1062
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 3: men push back on the quote unquote pussy rap, the

1063
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 3: whole rap and all that shit. But if that's what

1064
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:03,359
Speaker 3: the fuck women want to rap about, women can rap

1065
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 3: around that. Women can wrap about conscious rap, women can

1066
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 3: wrap about being mothers, like all this other shit that's

1067
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 3: not quote unquote dominated around the thoughts and the feelings

1068
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:14,919
Speaker 3: of men. And a lot of time men always quote

1069
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 3: unquote think and still do think today quote unquote control

1070
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 3: hip hop. And so when you have a lot of

1071
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:22,399
Speaker 3: these women that's coming out and be like, no, I'm

1072
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 3: doing this shit without a man, and no, I'm going

1073
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 3: independent and know I'm doing my own thing, and no,

1074
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:29,240
Speaker 3: I'm not attached to a man and all this shit,

1075
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 3: you know a lot of men feel a certain way

1076
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:33,880
Speaker 3: because you know, they feel like they quote unquote dominate

1077
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 3: hip hop. And if you're not associated ate it with

1078
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,759
Speaker 3: a two and around men, you're not hip hop, and

1079
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 3: that's a false statement in my mind.

1080
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's definitely part of it too. Yeah,

1081
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 2: it's like I said, it's more like a like I said, yeah,

1082
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 2: I would not separate women out of hip hop anymore.

1083
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 2: Like I get how people can have done that back

1084
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:59,799
Speaker 2: in the day. That seemed like, you know, okay thing,

1085
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 2: But at this point I'm like, yeah, we we we

1086
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:06,319
Speaker 2: kind of we know, you know.

1087
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 3: And hip hop evolves and and and you know, I

1088
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 3: think that a lot of people have problems with the

1089
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 3: evolving of hip hop. All genre of music have evolved

1090
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 3: over the time. You know, the music that you hear

1091
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 3: from all the genres is not the music that your

1092
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 3: mom and daddy was listening to or the generation before that.

1093
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 3: It evolves, it changes, it grows, It has its ebbs

1094
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,720
Speaker 3: and flows, and this is part of the quote unquote

1095
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 3: cycle now. And it's also one of those things. We're

1096
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:32,839
Speaker 3: not trying to be funny. If men want to quote

1097
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 3: unquote dominate again, put shit out there that people going

1098
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 3: to buy, like, like, not trying to be funny. Like

1099
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 3: the audience and the audience in the crowd decides what's

1100
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 3: good and what's not. So put things out there that

1101
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 3: they are going to consume.

1102
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, but people are buying it, you know, I think

1103
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:51,760
Speaker 2: people are buying hip hop, So it's not I don't.

1104
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 3: Know that that's the issue for you know, you know,

1105
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 3: I'm talking about like men, you know, like like you know,

1106
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 3: because because basically, you know, we're talking about how women

1107
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:00,840
Speaker 3: are dominating, and I was saying a lot of men.

1108
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 1: Right, people are buying the men's hip hop too.

1109
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 2: Yes, So like I said, it's we're just not in

1110
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 2: the demo necessarily for all this shit to keep up

1111
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:10,839
Speaker 2: on the cutting edge.

1112
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 1: But it is what it is.

1113
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 2: As far as like women are, women are big part

1114
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 2: of the game. They're making a lot of music. I

1115
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 2: don't think you can separate them out. If they're doing good,

1116
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 2: hip hop's doing good. Also, men continue to still make

1117
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 2: hip hop and sell albums and stuff. I don't think

1118
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 2: Drake is killing hip hop. I told you already. The

1119
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:31,239
Speaker 2: title was just salacious to get you all to click on.

1120
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 2: The only rap out listen to in the past few

1121
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 2: years is from women. Drake is simply a product of

1122
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 2: what mainstream media is pushing. No, I don't think it's

1123
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 2: about mainstream media is pushing it. His shit sells more

1124
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 2: than those women.

1125
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 1: Even.

1126
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 2: Yes, Yeah, people like Drake. I don't know why this

1127
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 2: shit is so hard for people understand. They like or

1128
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:54,760
Speaker 2: they like his music, even if it's popcorn, unfeeling music.

1129
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 1: They like that shit.

1130
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 2: Most Death is the weird though for pointing out like,

1131
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 2: oh man, you know, it's just so consumerism we like.

1132
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:07,440
Speaker 2: I don't think people are under the illusion necessarily that

1133
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 2: Drake is making deeper music than he's making, right. I

1134
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 2: think for the most part, people are like, yes, and

1135
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 2: we like that most Death. We like going to and

1136
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 2: not thinking hard about it.

1137
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 1: We're not trying.

1138
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:21,799
Speaker 2: We're not trying to hear rappity rap bars every time

1139
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:23,840
Speaker 2: we pull up, Like sometimes we want to go to

1140
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:25,799
Speaker 2: the club and we want to hear club music, and

1141
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 2: you never really made that and you're probably not really

1142
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 2: able to make that if you feel like it's beneath you. Cool,

1143
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:33,959
Speaker 2: but also you didn't do that, you know, And Drake

1144
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 2: made a great point with his retort, which was you

1145
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:39,800
Speaker 2: made my Umi says, and that was when your biggest

1146
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:42,880
Speaker 2: hit to send commercials, and shit, you weren't rapping, you

1147
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 2: were singing, So you know, it's like, you know, get

1148
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 2: off my dick. Basically, it's what Drake was saying. I'm

1149
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 2: not saying I'm on Drake's side, but shit, that's a

1150
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 2: good comeback. I thought he was just gonna say some

1151
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:57,400
Speaker 2: foul shit. We got comments on YouTube on this one.

1152
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 2: Linda says, Karen's face is exactly how my face look

1153
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 2: When Jason Johnson and President Biden said President Biden should

1154
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:06,839
Speaker 2: talk to Charlemagne and Shannon Sharp, that's the stupidest thing

1155
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:10,320
Speaker 2: anyone could have suggest they do. At this point, Seyanne says,

1156
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 2: to say Drake is the story of hip hop is

1157
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 2: a weird concept to me, Like he's one of the

1158
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 2: biggest hip hop backs in the world. Was the fresh

1159
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:18,880
Speaker 2: prince and not hip hop. I'm sure Will Smith got

1160
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 2: backlash from not being hard, but that doesn't take.

1161
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 1: Him out of the genre. I agree. I agree too.

1162
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:25,880
Speaker 2: My mom says exactly the whole Joy Reed's segment and

1163
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:29,719
Speaker 2: sence me one hundred fucking with black people observed. Spoonful says,

1164
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:31,359
Speaker 2: I haven't gotten to the topic yet, so I hope

1165
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 2: I'm not repeating y'all, but I think it's interesting that

1166
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:36,319
Speaker 2: hip hop overcame so much adversity to exist and has

1167
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 2: endured so much and can be taken down by the

1168
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 2: likes of Drake. That's not an insult to Drake. Obviously

1169
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:45,239
Speaker 2: his reach is understandable, it's undeniable.

1170
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 1: But if white.

1171
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:49,240
Speaker 2: Supremacy, capitalism and respectability politics would take down hip hop,

1172
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:52,360
Speaker 2: if of when hip hop ends, it'll simply be because

1173
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 2: it was time to, just like every other genre that's

1174
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:56,760
Speaker 2: fallen out of Top forty.

1175
00:55:57,560 --> 00:55:59,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hear you. I don't think it'll be one

1176
00:55:59,280 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 1: person for fault either.

1177
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 3: No, I don't think so either. And my thing and

1178
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 3: maybe it's just me and my optimistics. How many of

1179
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:08,879
Speaker 3: these other genres that they say were dead and them

1180
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 3: shits is still around? Know they quote unquote might be

1181
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 3: in the top might not be in top forty, but

1182
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 3: them shits is still around. And like everything else, it's

1183
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 3: ebbs and flows. Shit fall out of the top forties

1184
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 3: generations later that shit comes back and falls.

1185
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 1: That like like it goes up and down.

1186
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 3: I don't think hip hop will never quote unquote disappear

1187
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 3: or go away or go into extinction, you know, because

1188
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:30,279
Speaker 3: not your fund This is the same things they said

1189
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:32,799
Speaker 3: about rock and roll, heavy metal, Like like it's these

1190
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 3: other genres that are still around decades later.

1191
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 1: That people thought would go by the wayside. Yeah, and

1192
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:39,880
Speaker 1: I'll just say.

1193
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:43,399
Speaker 2: All those genres had to turn on top, and they're

1194
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 2: not necessarily on top anymore. And that's just gonna happen

1195
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:49,800
Speaker 2: to hip hop too one day, right uh se Chocolate

1196
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 2: Lady Cap says, because I'm a big, big Drake hater,

1197
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say, yes, he's killing hip hop.

1198
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:56,760
Speaker 1: However he's not the only one.

1199
00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:57,319
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1200
00:56:57,360 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 2: I think that's what it's always been about. Just people

1201
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 2: hate Drake and then this is their turn to say it.

1202
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:06,280
Speaker 2: Who had a worst Sunday? Cowboys fans are Drake fans?

1203
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 1: Why I say Cowboys? Yeah, everybody said Cowboys.

1204
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 2: Ninety one percent say Cowboys fans, eight point seven say

1205
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 2: Drake fans, and eighty seven percent on our on the

1206
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 2: on Spotify say Cowboys fans.

1207
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:20,440
Speaker 1: Thirteen percent say Drake fans.

1208
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:23,920
Speaker 2: So Cowboys fans in the landslide, just like that Green

1209
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 2: Bay victory.

1210
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 1: Oh No, facts is facts.

1211
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 2: Can Magnificent Breeze says after a Terrorbord experience.

1212
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 1: Oh I'm sorry.

1213
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 2: If I was in the Target in Houston and I

1214
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 2: heard a Drake song, it feels a lot like his

1215
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 2: music is compatible with shopping y'all send bay.

1216
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 1: That's quite of the episode.

1217
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:44,959
Speaker 2: Magnificent Breedze says, after terror experience with my local Chinese spot,

1218
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 2: I vowed never again, and now I'm making low main

1219
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:54,080
Speaker 2: Singapore noodles, Jap Chai, Chinese chicken, beef in broccoli and sausage,

1220
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 2: general sal and taraoke and all that.

1221
00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 1: So you do it all at home, I hear you, girl.

1222
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 2: The Lord's says, Black entertainers and athletes were involved in

1223
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 2: the civil rights movement, but they weren't leaders of the movement.

1224
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 1: Are things flipped now? I don't think so.

1225
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 5: No.

1226
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 2: I don't think it's flip no, because it's the thing man.

1227
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 2: And this is not a shot at anybody. But there's

1228
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 2: a lot of people whose brand is to say there

1229
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 2: for the people.

1230
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 1: Yes, it's your brand.

1231
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:31,560
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but it's not the same as doing the

1232
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 2: work right. And I'm not saying they're not doing the work.

1233
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 2: But those two, there are two. Because we're in the

1234
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 2: age of such unbridled self promotion, because.

1235
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 1: That is what our social media is.

1236
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:47,720
Speaker 2: It's all the cameras pointed back at us, and it

1237
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 2: makes us have to be self promoting in order to

1238
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:54,560
Speaker 2: make money and make a living and be visible enough.

1239
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 2: But because of that, the mentality is very much if

1240
00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:04,200
Speaker 2: I am at the forefront, that means whatever movement, whatever cause,

1241
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:08,960
Speaker 2: is doing good because I'm obviously being seen. You can't

1242
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 2: disassociate that, and you can't just say it for the

1243
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:13,240
Speaker 2: people you like and.

1244
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 1: Then the people you don't like, oh nah, not that person.

1245
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:21,480
Speaker 2: So like, if that paradigm is what Sean King is mastered,

1246
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 2: then it's what these other people have mastered too. You know,

1247
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 2: if how much of the Black Lives Matter movement came

1248
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:35,480
Speaker 2: down to the Black Lives Matter organization being like, we

1249
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 2: need to be seen as the movement y'all don't hear

1250
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 2: me though, Okay, it's not this because those aren't the

1251
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 2: same thing. But how much of that was about the

1252
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 2: battles they fall on social media with all those other

1253
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 2: activists where they're going at it with people that were

1254
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:55,440
Speaker 2: on the ground and Ferguson and shit, And it's like,

1255
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:56,720
Speaker 2: what it for me?

1256
00:59:56,920 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 1: And I've kept this same energy from day one?

1257
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:03,520
Speaker 2: How the fuck do I care right about which of

1258
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 2: you niggas gets the credit? Like I understand if the

1259
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 2: whole thing is just we're here to get these laws

1260
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 2: and these things passed and get people out of power

1261
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 2: and destroy these dismantal these systems. I know why you

1262
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:19,080
Speaker 2: need to care about getting the credit, because it's how

1263
01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:22,720
Speaker 2: you make your living. But for me at home, I

1264
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:26,480
Speaker 2: don't care if Sean King versus anyone the fuck else.

1265
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:30,280
Speaker 2: If the law that I want to see the past

1266
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:34,439
Speaker 2: gets passed, if the police department gets whatever, I don't

1267
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:36,120
Speaker 2: give a fuck which one you came up with the

1268
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 2: idea first, because we're talking about survival, we're not talking

1269
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 2: about your credit.

1270
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:43,680
Speaker 1: I don't care about your career after this. I don't know.

1271
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 2: I don't care how you make money. I don't care

1272
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:47,600
Speaker 2: if you become a talking head or a politician. None

1273
01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:50,200
Speaker 2: of that matters to me. You told me you were

1274
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 2: here for the people. Yes, you told me you were

1275
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:55,560
Speaker 2: here to get the law changed. You told me you

1276
01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:59,720
Speaker 2: were here to dismantle the system. You are the one

1277
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:02,360
Speaker 2: that is get that has to worry about getting the

1278
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:04,360
Speaker 2: check for what. For that, I don't have to worry

1279
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:07,360
Speaker 2: about that part. Not saying that I don't want activists

1280
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:10,920
Speaker 2: get paid whatever. I'm just saying the concerns are different,

1281
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:14,080
Speaker 2: and so what happens is and it's because they're human

1282
01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:16,400
Speaker 2: and they're living a singular experience.

1283
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:17,800
Speaker 1: Despite saying that for the.

1284
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:21,000
Speaker 2: People, what happens is when I'm sleeping in my car

1285
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:24,920
Speaker 2: and I'm an activist for the people, it's like, man,

1286
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:26,920
Speaker 2: fuck that I gotta get a check somehow.

1287
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:28,640
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying no sellout shit, but.

1288
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 2: Just my knees are different than just I'm not just

1289
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 2: an avatar that exists only for the people. I need

1290
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:38,080
Speaker 2: a roof, I need I like a car, I like

1291
01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:41,400
Speaker 2: some nice clothes, And so what ends up happening is

1292
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:45,200
Speaker 2: that they start conflating. If I'm not out front, then

1293
01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:48,160
Speaker 2: the people not upfront. And it's thirty seven of you

1294
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:52,760
Speaker 2: niggas saying that, so so y, you didn't get the thing.

1295
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:56,680
Speaker 1: This didn't happen. This activist isn't a fucking car commercial,

1296
01:01:57,320 --> 01:01:57,960
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.

1297
01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:01,560
Speaker 2: This other activist is you know, they got a radio show.

1298
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:01,800
Speaker 1: Now.

1299
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:04,880
Speaker 2: This other activist is like, I gotta you know, put

1300
01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:08,840
Speaker 2: were putting together this event. And what you have is

1301
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Speaker 2: other activists that didn't do that or didn't get the thing.

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Speaker 2: Hate be It sounded like most deaf with Drake. You know, hey,

1303
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:18,480
Speaker 2: look this person's a commercial sellout.

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Speaker 1: Blah blah blah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you kind of want the thing, and when

1306
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:24,040
Speaker 2: you get the thing to pay your bills, you gonna

1307
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:25,280
Speaker 2: get called to sell out.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know that it's flipped.

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01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:32,520
Speaker 2: I don't think these athletes are necessarily civil rights leaders

1310
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:35,479
Speaker 2: and to be right, and I think a big part

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Speaker 2: of this is that we're still operating on a nineteen

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Speaker 2: sixties model of this, like black people need a leader

1313
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:46,800
Speaker 2: to look to tell us what to do and to

1314
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Speaker 2: communicate to white people, specifically a man our thoughts, and no,

1315
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:53,880
Speaker 2: not not anymore. No, there's a lot of women claiming

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Speaker 2: to be these leaders now, so it's not There are

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Speaker 2: some people that are still very much in the in

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01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:02,680
Speaker 2: the sexist mode. But I'm saying at this point Black

1319
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Speaker 2: Lives Matter is a not a that's not men. Yes,

1320
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:11,479
Speaker 2: they make the most money, so the people that give

1321
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:13,880
Speaker 2: money do they're not saying it has to be a

1322
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:17,400
Speaker 2: man anymore because they got the most of the money

1323
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:21,120
Speaker 2: so clearly, and their platform was very much like, no,

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Speaker 2: we're tired of men.

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Speaker 1: So it's it's not that anymore. It's a different The.

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Speaker 2: Model is still let me speak to the right to

1327
01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:34,600
Speaker 2: these negroes for y'all, but it's not a go ahead.

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Speaker 3: Okay, and I completely understand that. But when you say

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Speaker 3: the nineteen seventy models, that was the and.

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Speaker 2: I guess it's like, I'm not I'm not saying the

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01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:45,320
Speaker 2: exact model I'm saying. If you were listen to what

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01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:51,280
Speaker 2: I'm saying, the model of black leader. Okay, just yeah,

1333
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:53,640
Speaker 2: I didn't say I specifically made sure not to say

1334
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:57,280
Speaker 2: just men. The idea of this model of like we

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01:03:57,320 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 2: need a black people, need a leader to tell them what.

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01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:02,840
Speaker 1: They say, represent them as that is still very much alive.

1337
01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:05,280
Speaker 2: It might now it may have broadened a bit to

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01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:07,320
Speaker 2: where it's not just like it need to be a

1339
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:10,720
Speaker 2: religious southern black straight man.

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Speaker 3: But yes, but it's still like, yeah, we got the

1341
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:16,640
Speaker 3: who that show white folks show go Who's representative?

1342
01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:19,680
Speaker 2: Right WHI That's who they're gonna give the money to

1343
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:21,800
Speaker 2: or that's what they're gonna put on TV or whatever.

1344
01:04:22,360 --> 01:04:26,280
Speaker 2: But we we don't exist in that way, and we're not.

1345
01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:28,800
Speaker 2: Obviously we've never been a MODELIFT. But I just point

1346
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:32,560
Speaker 2: out the reason we're not a MODELIFT now is because

1347
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:38,840
Speaker 2: of the fact that there are so many different factions

1348
01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:41,720
Speaker 2: within blackness that have separate interest.

1349
01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:43,800
Speaker 1: Yes, that's not a bad thing.

1350
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:47,480
Speaker 2: But we're still being treated as if we should be monolithic,

1351
01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:50,760
Speaker 2: as if speaking for the black vote and too black

1352
01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:54,919
Speaker 2: people means speaking to all black people with the same goals. No,

1353
01:04:55,560 --> 01:04:57,760
Speaker 2: some black people are straight up coons. They want to

1354
01:04:57,800 --> 01:05:00,360
Speaker 2: be with white supremacy and they're gonna vote Trump. Some

1355
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:03,760
Speaker 2: black people are misogynistic and homophobic enough that they feel like,

1356
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:07,280
Speaker 2: I'm comfortable enough in America. I'll be voting or not voting,

1357
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:12,280
Speaker 2: but I won't be voting for Democrats. There's people at

1358
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:16,040
Speaker 2: this point that have money and they got they're rich,

1359
01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:18,360
Speaker 2: or they see themselves as having generational wealth, and they

1360
01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:21,000
Speaker 2: may have completely different priorities than you and I. There

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01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:23,080
Speaker 2: are people that feel like I have access to white

1362
01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:26,600
Speaker 2: spaces now and I'm not interested in what the fuck

1363
01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:28,000
Speaker 2: y'all are going through.

1364
01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:29,240
Speaker 1: I have my access.

1365
01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:34,680
Speaker 2: There's also people that you know, like that are so hey,

1366
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:36,400
Speaker 2: We're gonna need to destroy the prison system. We need

1367
01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:38,560
Speaker 2: to destroy the justices, and we need to destroy policing.

1368
01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:41,280
Speaker 2: We need to destroy the government. Those people are black

1369
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:45,680
Speaker 2: and have voices too, so when they treat us like well,

1370
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:48,160
Speaker 2: Lebron James will explain it. That's still working on a

1371
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:53,080
Speaker 2: nineteen sixties model. Of like one person will tell the

1372
01:05:53,160 --> 01:05:56,000
Speaker 2: Blacks what to do, like they're just fucking in the

1373
01:05:56,080 --> 01:05:59,360
Speaker 2: desert with a fucking staff and they're just leading the

1374
01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:02,280
Speaker 2: Jewish people to the water and like Moses, and it's

1375
01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:04,800
Speaker 2: like that has not existed for.

1376
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:07,720
Speaker 1: A very long time. Correct tick the black leader.

1377
01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:10,360
Speaker 2: I'll show you the black people that are like, fuck

1378
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:12,640
Speaker 2: that person. I will never listen to them, yes, and

1379
01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:16,720
Speaker 2: think that their shit is right. So until we face that,

1380
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:20,760
Speaker 2: I think it doesn't like all this black leadership void

1381
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:23,840
Speaker 2: stuff is bullshit, And I think what's really fucking the

1382
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:26,600
Speaker 2: system up was really fucking the game up. There are

1383
01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:31,160
Speaker 2: people still talking like they are so like I said,

1384
01:06:31,240 --> 01:06:33,160
Speaker 2: this is not a shot at their podcast, But when

1385
01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:35,520
Speaker 2: I listen to Native Land, a lot of it is

1386
01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:37,800
Speaker 2: big up in themselves. It's like listen, I mean I

1387
01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:40,200
Speaker 2: do the work, I do the street. I will talk

1388
01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:41,800
Speaker 2: to the black bus driver, I will talk to the self.

1389
01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:44,280
Speaker 2: I would get this person. And it's like that's self

1390
01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:47,480
Speaker 2: promotion essentially, to be like, hey, y'all need to come

1391
01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:48,200
Speaker 2: give me the money.

1392
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:49,440
Speaker 1: I'm the one that knows how to talk to the

1393
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:49,919
Speaker 1: black people.

1394
01:06:50,120 --> 01:06:53,480
Speaker 2: Because sure, the educated black people that went to college

1395
01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:56,560
Speaker 2: that are politically savvy like me with the exception to

1396
01:06:56,600 --> 01:06:59,120
Speaker 2: the rule. But someone needs to talk to the unwashed,

1397
01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:01,960
Speaker 2: ignorant black man. And only y'all I can communicate to

1398
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:04,040
Speaker 2: these negroes. You whites will never be able to figure

1399
01:07:04,040 --> 01:07:06,360
Speaker 2: it out. Give me the money, I'll tell them what

1400
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:10,200
Speaker 2: to do. And there's a there's a there's an incentive

1401
01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:13,640
Speaker 2: to push that, there's an incentive to say that. I'm

1402
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:16,120
Speaker 2: still working on my thoughts about that, but there's something

1403
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:19,520
Speaker 2: about that I hate. There's something about that I don't like.

1404
01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:24,000
Speaker 2: I understand white people get this, Uh, the royal white

1405
01:07:24,080 --> 01:07:26,240
Speaker 2: voter that will never vote Democrat. We need to just

1406
01:07:26,320 --> 01:07:28,400
Speaker 2: keep pushing money towards them, giving them all their attention,

1407
01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:31,160
Speaker 2: and they never gonna fucking vote Democrat. They're never gonna

1408
01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:33,280
Speaker 2: vote for progress, They're always gonna vote with racist.

1409
01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:36,840
Speaker 1: And yet there's an infinite amount of attention there.

1410
01:07:37,360 --> 01:07:40,560
Speaker 2: And maybe we're if jealous of that, envious of that

1411
01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:43,040
Speaker 2: as black people, Like why don't our ignorant black people

1412
01:07:43,080 --> 01:07:45,600
Speaker 2: get all the money and attention. I don't know, but

1413
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:47,680
Speaker 2: I don't like it because I never thought those white

1414
01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:49,840
Speaker 2: people should have got that attention. Nope, And I don't

1415
01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:51,680
Speaker 2: think that just because you're black, you should get the

1416
01:07:51,720 --> 01:07:55,800
Speaker 2: attention for ignorance. I don't think we should be like, well, listen,

1417
01:07:56,160 --> 01:07:57,320
Speaker 2: go on to Breakfast Club.

1418
01:07:57,800 --> 01:07:59,640
Speaker 1: No, because we don't say go on, Joe Rogan.

1419
01:08:00,520 --> 01:08:03,480
Speaker 2: You know, we don't say go on the ridiculousness when

1420
01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:05,200
Speaker 2: we want to reach, you know, a certain type of

1421
01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:08,520
Speaker 2: white voter. But it seems like the lowest common denominator

1422
01:08:08,560 --> 01:08:12,800
Speaker 2: is always the shit we gotta deal with. Nelson says,

1423
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:15,000
Speaker 2: the Breakfast Club is owned by iHeart Media, same ones

1424
01:08:15,040 --> 01:08:17,559
Speaker 2: that have rustling bass show. I'm sure his hire ups

1425
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:20,120
Speaker 2: have no problem him pushing this bs all sure, I mean,

1426
01:08:20,240 --> 01:08:23,360
Speaker 2: that's probably why they love him. Alicia says JAYL sitting

1427
01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:25,600
Speaker 2: at home with cooking and righteous girlfriend, eating almonds and

1428
01:08:25,640 --> 01:08:28,400
Speaker 2: drinking green tea, or in his private am Trok car

1429
01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:30,519
Speaker 2: grumbling to himself and revenue shoulder.

1430
01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:34,720
Speaker 1: Now why am I in it? You know why he's

1431
01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:37,400
Speaker 1: in it? He knows why music.

1432
01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:41,360
Speaker 2: Horder says yep, and his music goes great in the gym.

1433
01:08:41,400 --> 01:08:44,760
Speaker 2: The niggas universal. Also, what's the correct site name for

1434
01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:47,960
Speaker 2: two raw two real? It's not a website, it's his

1435
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:50,479
Speaker 2: Twitter and.

1436
01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:52,040
Speaker 1: Shit.

1437
01:08:52,360 --> 01:08:54,439
Speaker 2: Hold on, I'll try to tell y'all because I don't

1438
01:08:54,439 --> 01:08:55,760
Speaker 2: remember if it's the number.

1439
01:08:56,280 --> 01:09:00,560
Speaker 1: Or the letter spelled out. Yeah, uh yeah, it's the

1440
01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:01,200
Speaker 1: number two.

1441
01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:06,240
Speaker 2: Uh to raw and then t O O real is

1442
01:09:06,280 --> 01:09:09,120
Speaker 2: the guy's uh Twitter handle and he has a link

1443
01:09:09,160 --> 01:09:11,240
Speaker 2: tree on his Twitter handle if you don't have Twitter

1444
01:09:11,280 --> 01:09:13,400
Speaker 2: and you want to follow him in other places.

1445
01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:17,040
Speaker 1: And real is real real or real real real spell

1446
01:09:17,240 --> 01:09:17,519
Speaker 1: the way?

1447
01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:21,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, okay, r E A L. Sorry yes, yeah

1448
01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:26,840
Speaker 2: to raw too real? Yeah anyway, but yeah, I love

1449
01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:30,000
Speaker 2: his feed. I know that people will be mad, like, oh, you're.

1450
01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:31,080
Speaker 1: So pro Democrat.

1451
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:35,120
Speaker 2: I don't know why the fuck that's bad. Honest to god,

1452
01:09:35,160 --> 01:09:36,880
Speaker 2: I don't know why that's bad. I think it's only

1453
01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:38,559
Speaker 2: bad if you're just like if you're lying.

1454
01:09:39,320 --> 01:09:39,599
Speaker 1: Right.

1455
01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:42,800
Speaker 2: But in the world with so much misinformation, we need

1456
01:09:42,840 --> 01:09:44,840
Speaker 2: people that don't spread misinformation.

1457
01:09:44,920 --> 01:09:47,000
Speaker 1: We need people that know facts. We need people that

1458
01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:48,040
Speaker 1: know what they're talking about.

1459
01:09:48,280 --> 01:09:52,320
Speaker 2: It's the other failing that I this So, this is

1460
01:09:52,320 --> 01:09:55,120
Speaker 2: the other reason that I have some issues with you know,

1461
01:09:55,240 --> 01:09:58,479
Speaker 2: your your Charlemagne's and your you know, native Land or whatever.

1462
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:01,120
Speaker 2: They do a lot of talking to about how we'll

1463
01:10:01,200 --> 01:10:03,519
Speaker 2: see people just don't know what the Democrats are doing.

1464
01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:06,160
Speaker 2: They are doing things, but nobody knows what they're doing,

1465
01:10:06,240 --> 01:10:07,360
Speaker 2: and that's the real problem.

1466
01:10:07,560 --> 01:10:09,400
Speaker 1: Why aren't you getting the word out that do this?

1467
01:10:09,760 --> 01:10:13,519
Speaker 2: And I'm like, nigga, you're on the microphone talking to people.

1468
01:10:14,280 --> 01:10:18,519
Speaker 2: You could be telling your audience what is happening. I

1469
01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:20,760
Speaker 2: make a point on this show every once in a

1470
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:23,400
Speaker 2: while to just highlight some shit like, Hey, did you

1471
01:10:23,479 --> 01:10:26,080
Speaker 2: know medical debt is gonna stop being counted as part

1472
01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:29,479
Speaker 2: of your credit score. That's a fucking major thing that

1473
01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:31,760
Speaker 2: will help a lot of black people out, specifically because

1474
01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:34,639
Speaker 2: medical debt is one of the biggest albatrosses around black

1475
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:38,240
Speaker 2: people's neck. Same thing with they started counting your phone

1476
01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:40,760
Speaker 2: bill as part of your credit score, because there's black

1477
01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:43,400
Speaker 2: people that rent or have phone bills or whatever that

1478
01:10:43,400 --> 01:10:45,880
Speaker 2: that stuff doesn't get counted towards our credit score. We're

1479
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:48,800
Speaker 2: the highest percentage of people renting, you know, So there's

1480
01:10:48,840 --> 01:10:52,200
Speaker 2: stuff like that that is definitely for and helping black people.

1481
01:10:52,479 --> 01:10:54,920
Speaker 2: Just because it wasn't called the Blacks Only Bill doesn't

1482
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:57,240
Speaker 2: mean it doesn't help black people. And it's a shame

1483
01:10:57,640 --> 01:11:00,760
Speaker 2: that motherfuckers in positions that have huge plays platforms that

1484
01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:04,000
Speaker 2: know exactly what I'm talking about will go I don't

1485
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:06,479
Speaker 2: want to say that because if I say that kind

1486
01:11:06,479 --> 01:11:09,880
Speaker 2: of shit, I'm now looked at as the Democrats bitch,

1487
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:12,080
Speaker 2: and that's more important than the people to me. That's

1488
01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:13,720
Speaker 2: why I don't fuck with that whole like I'm for

1489
01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:16,360
Speaker 2: the people shit. If you're for the people, then it

1490
01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:19,000
Speaker 2: shouldn't matter if you have to look bad quote unquote

1491
01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:22,680
Speaker 2: for the people to tell the truth, you shouldn't it.

1492
01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:26,080
Speaker 2: So okay, some people gonna not respect that you said Kamala.

1493
01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:27,960
Speaker 2: Kamala Harris is actually out here doing a lot of

1494
01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:30,640
Speaker 2: stuff and here's the last five events she did. Some

1495
01:11:30,680 --> 01:11:32,800
Speaker 2: people are gonna talk shit about you. But I thought

1496
01:11:32,840 --> 01:11:35,120
Speaker 2: it was about the people, not you. Sound like it's

1497
01:11:35,160 --> 01:11:41,240
Speaker 2: about you and your ego. Uh music horder says yep,

1498
01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:44,360
Speaker 2: and oh I said that. Guess who says sad part

1499
01:11:44,400 --> 01:11:47,280
Speaker 2: as black people will never see the tactics dims used

1500
01:11:47,320 --> 01:11:49,920
Speaker 2: to get black votes, so it's just somebody called guess

1501
01:11:49,960 --> 01:11:53,599
Speaker 2: who that, I guess one of de trollas, because well,

1502
01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:56,200
Speaker 2: never that's that's the thing what's so stupid, as black

1503
01:11:56,240 --> 01:11:59,479
Speaker 2: people will never see guys, only do white people understand

1504
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:01,720
Speaker 2: what's going on in America.

1505
01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:04,280
Speaker 1: But you're smart, you get it. You get it. You

1506
01:12:04,320 --> 01:12:06,519
Speaker 1: figured it out. You know what, you know what the

1507
01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:08,679
Speaker 1: dims are doing to get our black votes. You guys

1508
01:12:08,680 --> 01:12:12,320
Speaker 1: got it. Thank you for right now. Jason. We need

1509
01:12:12,360 --> 01:12:16,599
Speaker 1: we need everybody, Jason, we need all the listeners Fried Chicken,

1510
01:12:16,600 --> 01:12:19,280
Speaker 1: because we just don't know. We just we're just stupid negroes.

1511
01:12:19,400 --> 01:12:23,200
Speaker 1: We can't help ourselves. All right, let's go to break.

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01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:56,520
Speaker 4: I need uh, I need to make some money.

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01:12:57,439 --> 01:12:59,479
Speaker 1: All right, you know how we do.

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01:12:59,640 --> 01:13:05,160
Speaker 2: Guys, it's time to go to the next episode, episode

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01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:07,439
Speaker 2: twenty eight to forty Coon Unity.

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01:13:08,479 --> 01:13:10,320
Speaker 1: We had some comments six comments.

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01:13:10,360 --> 01:13:13,720
Speaker 2: Appia says, being organized and doing stuff that needs to

1518
01:13:13,720 --> 01:13:16,040
Speaker 2: be done immediately is great self care for your future self.

1519
01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:18,280
Speaker 2: And I know the feeling when I noticed that I

1520
01:13:18,360 --> 01:13:20,639
Speaker 2: already took care of something some time ago is great

1521
01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:22,040
Speaker 2: and it always blest self confidence.

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01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:22,920
Speaker 1: Big recommendation.

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01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:23,840
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1524
01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:27,880
Speaker 2: I just recently got the official email back from the

1525
01:13:27,880 --> 01:13:31,360
Speaker 2: trademark people to be like, hey, your trademark is renewed

1526
01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:33,880
Speaker 2: and approved, and I was like, I'm glad it was

1527
01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:36,040
Speaker 2: the me that did that five months ago or whatever.

1528
01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:37,240
Speaker 1: Whenever I did that.

1529
01:13:38,600 --> 01:13:40,640
Speaker 2: And not waited till the deadline or waited till the

1530
01:13:40,720 --> 01:13:43,240
Speaker 2: guy they give you like a year, grace period or whatever.

1531
01:13:43,240 --> 01:13:44,560
Speaker 1: I just like, let me just take care of this

1532
01:13:44,680 --> 01:13:45,679
Speaker 1: while I got it right.

1533
01:13:46,280 --> 01:13:49,040
Speaker 2: Shoe Boody says, this is a German efficiency from Apia

1534
01:13:49,120 --> 01:13:51,200
Speaker 2: we have come to know and love. Why wouldn't you

1535
01:13:51,240 --> 01:13:53,200
Speaker 2: just choose to be great? Do you like being lazy

1536
01:13:53,200 --> 01:13:55,040
Speaker 2: and ineffective? Just do the right thing and then you

1537
01:13:55,040 --> 01:13:57,719
Speaker 2: feel good. Duh and I says, but it is true.

1538
01:13:58,160 --> 01:14:00,240
Speaker 2: Just do good stuff instead of bad, and things better.

1539
01:14:00,680 --> 01:14:03,559
Speaker 2: Deep Shoe Body says the social media post about weight

1540
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:06,400
Speaker 2: loss can seem fat phobic instead of celebratory, because no

1541
01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:09,200
Speaker 2: matter what, it's all based in societal acceptance of a

1542
01:14:09,240 --> 01:14:12,320
Speaker 2: body that fits the norms. Once you're making progress to

1543
01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:15,280
Speaker 2: be accepted, you celebrate like that, like, look, everyone, you

1544
01:14:15,320 --> 01:14:17,519
Speaker 2: can quit making fun of me. Now I fit the

1545
01:14:17,560 --> 01:14:21,559
Speaker 2: mold you decided was a deal. They don't want us

1546
01:14:21,560 --> 01:14:23,240
Speaker 2: to be fat, they don't want us use Ozmpic, they

1547
01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:25,080
Speaker 2: don't want us to be fat, but macaus at the gym.

1548
01:14:25,160 --> 01:14:25,920
Speaker 1: I swear to God.

1549
01:14:26,320 --> 01:14:28,160
Speaker 2: One time I was quietly on the die eating my

1550
01:14:28,200 --> 01:14:30,200
Speaker 2: little carrot sticks at work, and this bitch had that's

1551
01:14:30,240 --> 01:14:32,439
Speaker 2: to say, oh, you know, bell peppers have less sugar

1552
01:14:32,439 --> 01:14:33,439
Speaker 2: and calories than Carris.

1553
01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:35,759
Speaker 1: You should try that. We can't do nothing.

1554
01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:39,320
Speaker 3: I want to fight if you don't get the whole

1555
01:14:39,320 --> 01:14:40,840
Speaker 3: ass at my face, bitch.

1556
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:43,599
Speaker 1: I want you in that. I'm with you on that.

1557
01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:46,800
Speaker 2: In shoe booty, in this like I did it. It's

1558
01:14:46,840 --> 01:14:52,080
Speaker 2: everybody's business and all that stuff. But I think one

1559
01:14:52,360 --> 01:14:55,600
Speaker 2: I very rarely personalized. I think the difference was the

1560
01:14:56,120 --> 01:14:58,680
Speaker 2: tweet we were talking about. The person was personalizing it

1561
01:14:58,720 --> 01:15:00,840
Speaker 2: in a way of like, tell me you don't want

1562
01:15:00,840 --> 01:15:03,559
Speaker 2: to look like me, and it's like, I don't know

1563
01:15:03,560 --> 01:15:05,559
Speaker 2: how to tell you this, but it should be okay

1564
01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:07,280
Speaker 2: for people to want to look however they want to

1565
01:15:07,280 --> 01:15:11,120
Speaker 2: look in their body. It's like saying it's like if

1566
01:15:11,160 --> 01:15:13,200
Speaker 2: Karen goes I have natural hair, and I notice you

1567
01:15:13,240 --> 01:15:16,080
Speaker 2: have a perm You're saying you don't like my four

1568
01:15:16,200 --> 01:15:17,840
Speaker 2: sea hair. You're saying that.

1569
01:15:18,160 --> 01:15:19,639
Speaker 1: It's like I'm just starting shit.

1570
01:15:20,040 --> 01:15:23,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, well, that's your personal Like, no one's

1571
01:15:23,360 --> 01:15:24,320
Speaker 2: thinking about.

1572
01:15:24,040 --> 01:15:26,000
Speaker 1: You in general, cause give a damn.

1573
01:15:26,200 --> 01:15:28,360
Speaker 2: In general, no one's really thinking about you. They may

1574
01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:30,200
Speaker 2: be thinking about themselves, and they may be dealing with

1575
01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:32,840
Speaker 2: some stuff in their own heads or pressures in their

1576
01:15:32,840 --> 01:15:35,000
Speaker 2: own lives, but a big part of this is we

1577
01:15:35,040 --> 01:15:37,639
Speaker 2: don't really know what people be going through, and that

1578
01:15:37,720 --> 01:15:41,519
Speaker 2: means so and we also know that it's difficult to

1579
01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:45,640
Speaker 2: to do. Like, let's take losing weight out of the

1580
01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:49,080
Speaker 2: conversation for a second. Let's just say somebody's been going

1581
01:15:49,080 --> 01:15:52,400
Speaker 2: to the gym lifting weights and they've been gaining weight,

1582
01:15:52,439 --> 01:15:55,280
Speaker 2: they've been getting stronger, and they're looking more muscular.

1583
01:15:55,360 --> 01:15:57,519
Speaker 1: This happens all the time with my male friends.

1584
01:15:57,600 --> 01:16:00,240
Speaker 2: They go to the gym, they lift weights, they're really wrong,

1585
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:04,599
Speaker 2: and they show off their pictures in their you know,

1586
01:16:04,760 --> 01:16:07,200
Speaker 2: under armor or whatever, like, look at the muscles I'm building.

1587
01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:10,040
Speaker 1: Now, that's nothing, that's nothing fat phobic about that.

1588
01:16:10,240 --> 01:16:13,800
Speaker 2: Necessarily, they're not even losing weight, you know, they're just

1589
01:16:13,880 --> 01:16:17,519
Speaker 2: getting bigger, right, And it's not even that they're losing

1590
01:16:17,560 --> 01:16:20,280
Speaker 2: fat or gaining fat. They just look bigger and stronger

1591
01:16:20,280 --> 01:16:25,439
Speaker 2: than they were, right. I don't see people internalizing that

1592
01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:29,200
Speaker 2: as like, Wow, you know, I don't lift weights and

1593
01:16:29,240 --> 01:16:33,280
Speaker 2: I'm skinny or whatever I'm you know, I'm not defined muscularly,

1594
01:16:33,840 --> 01:16:36,360
Speaker 2: And how fucking dare you tell me you don't want

1595
01:16:36,360 --> 01:16:39,479
Speaker 2: to look like me? No one owes you shit, No

1596
01:16:39,520 --> 01:16:42,280
Speaker 2: one owes you looking like you no one owes you

1597
01:16:42,320 --> 01:16:45,920
Speaker 2: thinking your ideal or thinking your body is whatever they

1598
01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:48,280
Speaker 2: want it to be. And then at the same time,

1599
01:16:48,280 --> 01:16:50,439
Speaker 2: there's people out there that look at your people body

1600
01:16:50,439 --> 01:16:52,960
Speaker 2: and go, I wish that was me. All that shit

1601
01:16:53,080 --> 01:16:55,360
Speaker 2: is not really about you. And at the end of

1602
01:16:55,400 --> 01:16:57,720
Speaker 2: the day, a doctor could have came to them and

1603
01:16:57,760 --> 01:16:59,960
Speaker 2: said you need to start lifting weights because of this reason,

1604
01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:04,000
Speaker 2: or you know, hey, you you actually have arthritis and

1605
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:06,160
Speaker 2: your bone structure is blanking. If you don't start lifting

1606
01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:07,639
Speaker 2: weights now, you're gonna have to deal with that when

1607
01:17:07,640 --> 01:17:10,400
Speaker 2: you're sixty, right. They might be lifting weights. It have

1608
01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:12,479
Speaker 2: nothing to do with you. And the thing with social

1609
01:17:12,520 --> 01:17:16,240
Speaker 2: media is motherfuckers ain't posting the doctor's note. Nope, motherfuckers

1610
01:17:16,240 --> 01:17:20,559
Speaker 2: ain't posting any motherfucking physical results. Everybody is posting what

1611
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:23,800
Speaker 2: goes on social media. So if it's a hey look

1612
01:17:23,840 --> 01:17:28,599
Speaker 2: at me, I'm losing weight, I'm gaining muscle, I'm running

1613
01:17:28,720 --> 01:17:31,760
Speaker 2: miles or whatever, they're just posting the things that are

1614
01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:34,920
Speaker 2: difficult for them accomplished, or things they've been working on

1615
01:17:35,200 --> 01:17:38,320
Speaker 2: or whatever. And I think that's something we should either

1616
01:17:38,360 --> 01:17:42,200
Speaker 2: celebrate or ignore. I just don't see what internalizing it

1617
01:17:42,240 --> 01:17:46,479
Speaker 2: personally would be about And I think you yeah, And

1618
01:17:46,520 --> 01:17:49,679
Speaker 2: I think that's the point I'm trying to make because

1619
01:17:49,720 --> 01:17:51,160
Speaker 2: I would never deny that we live in.

1620
01:17:51,080 --> 01:17:52,960
Speaker 1: A fucked up fat phobic society.

1621
01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:55,280
Speaker 2: I talk about that shit at the time, but that

1622
01:17:55,880 --> 01:17:58,599
Speaker 2: but just because we live in that doesn't mean like

1623
01:17:58,920 --> 01:18:01,080
Speaker 2: everything must be based on that, you know.

1624
01:18:01,840 --> 01:18:04,080
Speaker 1: Uh So I think that's the big part for me.

1625
01:18:04,439 --> 01:18:05,519
Speaker 1: And You're right.

1626
01:18:06,360 --> 01:18:09,280
Speaker 2: These motherfuckers just hate people being fat and they also

1627
01:18:09,640 --> 01:18:12,360
Speaker 2: want to feel better than people. That's it, yes, Because

1628
01:18:12,640 --> 01:18:15,480
Speaker 2: why are you mad someone got a gastric bypass?

1629
01:18:15,720 --> 01:18:16,400
Speaker 1: Why are you mad?

1630
01:18:16,400 --> 01:18:19,639
Speaker 2: Somebody did o zimpic? Why are you mad somebody drink

1631
01:18:19,720 --> 01:18:20,840
Speaker 2: flat tummy ty or whatever?

1632
01:18:20,920 --> 01:18:23,080
Speaker 1: Fuck? Like, why are you mad?

1633
01:18:23,320 --> 01:18:26,760
Speaker 2: I've seen people be mad at like Hollywood Celesbiing, like,

1634
01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:28,800
Speaker 2: well they can afford or get a physical trainer and

1635
01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:31,439
Speaker 2: they can do this, and it's like, but why.

1636
01:18:31,320 --> 01:18:33,240
Speaker 1: Is that making you angry? Yes?

1637
01:18:33,680 --> 01:18:36,160
Speaker 3: Yes, it's sometimes I think like you s didn't internalize

1638
01:18:36,200 --> 01:18:39,599
Speaker 3: fears because not fav about some people that quote unquote

1639
01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:43,160
Speaker 3: biggest fears being fat whatever fat is, because it's one

1640
01:18:43,200 --> 01:18:45,200
Speaker 3: of those things where you might not even be fat,

1641
01:18:45,240 --> 01:18:47,759
Speaker 3: but in your mind, if you quote unquote feel fat,

1642
01:18:48,040 --> 01:18:51,000
Speaker 3: you're fat, and so you know, it's one of those

1643
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:53,519
Speaker 3: things where you have people that are like real thin

1644
01:18:53,760 --> 01:18:57,240
Speaker 3: and they quote unquote feel fat internally, and so it's like.

1645
01:18:57,160 --> 01:18:59,200
Speaker 2: If that would be that fat phobia, that will be

1646
01:18:59,240 --> 01:19:02,960
Speaker 2: that societal Yes, you know, but we don't know what

1647
01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:06,080
Speaker 2: the fuck people are going through mentally, physically, any of

1648
01:19:06,080 --> 01:19:10,439
Speaker 2: this shit. And if and once again, if somebody wants

1649
01:19:10,479 --> 01:19:13,479
Speaker 2: to celebrate that, I'm not knocking them.

1650
01:19:13,640 --> 01:19:14,720
Speaker 1: I'm happy for them.

1651
01:19:14,760 --> 01:19:18,040
Speaker 2: I'm happy you're happy, period, because I don't know what

1652
01:19:18,120 --> 01:19:18,880
Speaker 2: you went through.

1653
01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:20,360
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1654
01:19:21,280 --> 01:19:23,840
Speaker 2: There are motherfuckers that have saved their lives from changing

1655
01:19:23,920 --> 01:19:26,000
Speaker 2: up stuff. There's motherfuckers where weight loss is just a

1656
01:19:26,120 --> 01:19:29,439
Speaker 2: side product of what they're doing. So it's like I

1657
01:19:29,479 --> 01:19:31,760
Speaker 2: wanted to learn, I wanted to run ten k's. They

1658
01:19:31,800 --> 01:19:35,479
Speaker 2: happen to lose weight, they go, oh, I lost weight

1659
01:19:35,560 --> 01:19:36,719
Speaker 2: and I'm running ten k's.

1660
01:19:37,439 --> 01:19:39,360
Speaker 1: If you're if you're happy, I'm happy.

1661
01:19:39,479 --> 01:19:41,680
Speaker 2: And if you're also, if you don't want do that

1662
01:19:41,720 --> 01:19:43,519
Speaker 2: shit and you happy, I'm happy too. I don't know

1663
01:19:43,560 --> 01:19:47,559
Speaker 2: where the negativity has to come into, but it's such

1664
01:19:47,560 --> 01:19:49,439
Speaker 2: a fucked up society we live in, and I think

1665
01:19:49,439 --> 01:19:50,880
Speaker 2: that's why people are on guard about it.

1666
01:19:50,920 --> 01:19:53,479
Speaker 1: That's why that's why I'm careful how I talk about shit.

1667
01:19:53,400 --> 01:19:56,479
Speaker 2: Because I'm like, I know people are already getting riled

1668
01:19:56,560 --> 01:20:00,360
Speaker 2: up both sides either way. You know, I've seven what

1669
01:20:00,400 --> 01:20:03,680
Speaker 2: people have said about my body on the internet. You know,

1670
01:20:03,880 --> 01:20:06,600
Speaker 2: I've seen what happens when someone doesn't like me or disagrees.

1671
01:20:07,040 --> 01:20:09,519
Speaker 2: I just don't necessarily share that with y'all, but I

1672
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:13,479
Speaker 2: see that kind of shit, so like, we never know

1673
01:20:13,520 --> 01:20:14,599
Speaker 2: what people are going through.

1674
01:20:15,120 --> 01:20:16,759
Speaker 1: That's that's why I lead that agreed.

1675
01:20:17,439 --> 01:20:17,559
Speaker 3: Uh.

1676
01:20:17,680 --> 01:20:20,559
Speaker 2: Gina Gate says that Prepper Lady is how it's like,

1677
01:20:20,680 --> 01:20:25,040
Speaker 2: how you're gonna hate grin irresistible the bunker. Oh, I

1678
01:20:25,080 --> 01:20:27,160
Speaker 2: guess outside the bunker you can't even get in.

1679
01:20:27,439 --> 01:20:28,840
Speaker 1: I'll come about the bunker lady.

1680
01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:31,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just I don't know the I think it's

1681
01:20:31,400 --> 01:20:33,200
Speaker 2: a typo somewhere and I don't know what it is.

1682
01:20:33,479 --> 01:20:36,240
Speaker 2: How you're gonna hate grin irresistible the bunker you can't

1683
01:20:36,240 --> 01:20:38,360
Speaker 2: even get in, So I guess inside the bunker maybe.

1684
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:41,799
Speaker 2: Also the book How to Keep the House while Drowning.

1685
01:20:42,200 --> 01:20:44,600
Speaker 2: How to Keep housewhile Drowning has been very helpful in

1686
01:20:44,640 --> 01:20:45,880
Speaker 2: shape and how if you housework.

1687
01:20:46,200 --> 01:20:48,160
Speaker 1: It's a moral neutral, morally neutral thing.

1688
01:20:48,240 --> 01:20:50,320
Speaker 2: I do the rest and care for myself and do

1689
01:20:50,360 --> 01:20:52,439
Speaker 2: the best I can for my own ease and function.

1690
01:20:52,600 --> 01:20:55,919
Speaker 2: Is really good read, especially the audio version. So how

1691
01:20:56,160 --> 01:20:59,400
Speaker 2: to Keep housewhile drowning? Thank you, Even he says Keith

1692
01:20:59,479 --> 01:21:01,880
Speaker 2: Lead seems like a stand up dude, And I think

1693
01:21:01,880 --> 01:21:03,720
Speaker 2: he did the right thing. I'm not posting the six

1694
01:21:03,760 --> 01:21:06,720
Speaker 2: reviews he didn't think were oh, I'm not posting on

1695
01:21:06,840 --> 01:21:08,400
Speaker 2: not posting the six reviews he didn't think.

1696
01:21:08,400 --> 01:21:10,080
Speaker 1: We're constructive of the restaurant that got him sick.

1697
01:21:10,080 --> 01:21:12,240
Speaker 2: Because no matter how many times he says he doesn't

1698
01:21:12,280 --> 01:21:14,519
Speaker 2: want people to harass restaurants on social media, people are

1699
01:21:14,600 --> 01:21:17,439
Speaker 2: nuts and they're going to harass the restaurants anyway. People

1700
01:21:17,439 --> 01:21:21,000
Speaker 2: are still clowning that restaurant in Atlanta. Yeah, and I think,

1701
01:21:21,080 --> 01:21:24,360
Speaker 2: you know, despite what some people will say about that,

1702
01:21:25,040 --> 01:21:28,280
Speaker 2: he has to operate on the new reality that that

1703
01:21:28,439 --> 01:21:30,519
Speaker 2: is now what people do with his reviews.

1704
01:21:30,640 --> 01:21:31,599
Speaker 1: Yes, So he.

1705
01:21:31,640 --> 01:21:33,760
Speaker 2: Can't just be like, well, I gotta keep it real,

1706
01:21:34,080 --> 01:21:37,280
Speaker 2: because y'all will also wait when he does that and

1707
01:21:37,320 --> 01:21:39,800
Speaker 2: blame him and being like, why did you fuck this

1708
01:21:39,880 --> 01:21:40,479
Speaker 2: restaurant up?

1709
01:21:40,520 --> 01:21:42,880
Speaker 1: You knew people were going to harass them correct.

1710
01:21:43,840 --> 01:21:48,280
Speaker 2: The main people posting positiveative posting negative videos about Keith's

1711
01:21:48,520 --> 01:21:50,280
Speaker 2: visit to the Bay or non black people who don't

1712
01:21:50,320 --> 01:21:52,479
Speaker 2: live in the area he visited, who don't see or

1713
01:21:52,479 --> 01:21:53,920
Speaker 2: don't care about the issues he discussed.

1714
01:21:53,920 --> 01:21:55,519
Speaker 1: Instead, they twisted what he said is.

1715
01:21:55,479 --> 01:21:57,760
Speaker 2: He called out the whole Bay trash and honestly, I

1716
01:21:57,800 --> 01:21:59,400
Speaker 2: think they did this to get Cloud off his name

1717
01:21:59,400 --> 01:22:00,280
Speaker 2: because he's so popler.

1718
01:22:00,400 --> 01:22:01,679
Speaker 1: They saw that as a way to get views.

1719
01:22:01,720 --> 01:22:04,040
Speaker 2: I didn't see any of those videos, but I imagine there's

1720
01:22:04,080 --> 01:22:06,800
Speaker 2: an entire TikTok ecosystem.

1721
01:22:06,200 --> 01:22:07,280
Speaker 1: Based off of Keith Lee.

1722
01:22:07,840 --> 01:22:09,759
Speaker 2: So there's got to be some people that just hate

1723
01:22:09,760 --> 01:22:12,600
Speaker 2: on him for the views, and people forget that he

1724
01:22:12,640 --> 01:22:15,120
Speaker 2: goes to the restaurants that people have recommended, and there

1725
01:22:15,160 --> 01:22:16,600
Speaker 2: have been a couple of places that begged him to

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01:22:16,640 --> 01:22:18,920
Speaker 2: come and they didn't get stellar reviews and then turned

1727
01:22:18,920 --> 01:22:20,720
Speaker 2: to tack to him. From what I can see, he's

1728
01:22:20,800 --> 01:22:23,400
Speaker 2: uplifting a lot of small businesses with his reviews and

1729
01:22:23,439 --> 01:22:26,280
Speaker 2: I hope he keeps doing this thing. Yeah yeah, I

1730
01:22:26,360 --> 01:22:29,360
Speaker 2: saw that example too, and I had a little bit

1731
01:22:29,400 --> 01:22:31,799
Speaker 2: of a back and forth with a friend over it, and.

1732
01:22:33,240 --> 01:22:35,840
Speaker 1: I'll still to the conclusion, like what the fuck do

1733
01:22:35,920 --> 01:22:36,960
Speaker 1: y'all want from this dude?

1734
01:22:37,080 --> 01:22:39,839
Speaker 2: Right, because he seems to have learned from those things,

1735
01:22:39,880 --> 01:22:41,760
Speaker 2: and no one wants to give an allowance for that.

1736
01:22:42,240 --> 01:22:43,600
Speaker 1: And when things when it's the.

1737
01:22:45,280 --> 01:22:47,960
Speaker 2: When it's the first time that it happens, there's a

1738
01:22:49,080 --> 01:22:51,960
Speaker 2: there's an understanding I have for him that is like, well,

1739
01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:54,200
Speaker 2: you didn't know because you're kind of in the wild

1740
01:22:54,200 --> 01:22:57,320
Speaker 2: wild West, and you're building the bridge as you're crossing it,

1741
01:22:57,760 --> 01:22:58,880
Speaker 2: So now you do know.

1742
01:22:59,040 --> 01:23:00,559
Speaker 1: How do you react now that you know?

1743
01:23:00,960 --> 01:23:04,280
Speaker 2: So once one of these people says, oh, Keith Lee,

1744
01:23:04,320 --> 01:23:06,439
Speaker 2: we love you, thanks for coming out, and then later

1745
01:23:06,479 --> 01:23:08,400
Speaker 2: on our social media it's like he didn't like our shit.

1746
01:23:08,439 --> 01:23:12,160
Speaker 2: Fucked Keith Lee, fuck everybody bother he ain't shit. Then

1747
01:23:12,640 --> 01:23:14,960
Speaker 2: you're not allowed to take it personal. You're not allowed

1748
01:23:14,960 --> 01:23:17,559
Speaker 2: to go well, you did ask me to come there,

1749
01:23:18,000 --> 01:23:20,280
Speaker 2: and you did say you wanted my honest opinion, and

1750
01:23:20,320 --> 01:23:23,280
Speaker 2: now you're shitting on me just because my honest opinion

1751
01:23:23,439 --> 01:23:27,280
Speaker 2: wasn't favorable. You're not allowed to do that, And especially

1752
01:23:27,320 --> 01:23:29,360
Speaker 2: with all those qualifiers he puts in every fucking thing

1753
01:23:29,400 --> 01:23:32,160
Speaker 2: because he's so concerned about asshole.

1754
01:23:32,280 --> 01:23:34,840
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think people go hard on him for

1755
01:23:34,880 --> 01:23:35,320
Speaker 1: no reason.

1756
01:23:36,160 --> 01:23:39,040
Speaker 3: I do too, and my thing is not funny. It's

1757
01:23:39,080 --> 01:23:42,880
Speaker 3: nothing but his personal opinion. At the end of the day,

1758
01:23:43,040 --> 01:23:46,280
Speaker 3: you either like it or you don't. And because he's

1759
01:23:46,280 --> 01:23:48,240
Speaker 3: so popular and people go where you're out here, I'm

1760
01:23:48,240 --> 01:23:50,439
Speaker 3: allowed to give you my opinion, which is a true statement,

1761
01:23:51,160 --> 01:23:53,800
Speaker 3: and he has to learn how to react. And it

1762
01:23:54,040 --> 01:24:00,479
Speaker 3: just two hundreds, possibly million, different fucking opinions, y'all. And

1763
01:24:00,600 --> 01:24:03,280
Speaker 3: it's one of those things. Whatever he does, somebody somewhet

1764
01:24:03,320 --> 01:24:05,280
Speaker 3: ain't gonna like it, just like whatever you do, whatever

1765
01:24:05,320 --> 01:24:08,400
Speaker 3: decision you making your normal everyday life, somebody someone ain't

1766
01:24:08,400 --> 01:24:09,160
Speaker 3: gonna like that shit.

1767
01:24:10,600 --> 01:24:13,720
Speaker 2: Or on YouTube, someone just says that the thirty six

1768
01:24:13,800 --> 01:24:18,280
Speaker 2: minute mark a bunch of laughing emojis, and I imagine

1769
01:24:18,280 --> 01:24:26,320
Speaker 2: it's the ABC Store part. And then, as shay Asha says,

1770
01:24:26,560 --> 01:24:28,519
Speaker 2: feelings aren't facts, it's great for merch.

1771
01:24:29,120 --> 01:24:30,760
Speaker 1: Maybe I'll put it on the shirt, you know.

1772
01:24:32,720 --> 01:24:35,879
Speaker 2: And then the post Shakif Lee have published his reviews

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01:24:35,880 --> 01:24:41,559
Speaker 2: of Bay Area restaurants. Uh yes, sixty six percent no

1774
01:24:42,600 --> 01:24:48,800
Speaker 2: and on Spotify's Closer forty four percent yes, fifty six

1775
01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:52,040
Speaker 2: percent no. So it's still pretty controversial, but I think

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01:24:52,080 --> 01:24:54,000
Speaker 2: more people are leaning no and I think no is

1777
01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:54,679
Speaker 2: the right thing.

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01:24:54,760 --> 01:24:56,840
Speaker 3: Right because, like I said, as somebody who's a fan

1779
01:24:56,880 --> 01:25:00,000
Speaker 3: of his, no, you know, because he, like he said,

1780
01:25:00,040 --> 01:25:03,360
Speaker 3: say the thing is his. From my understanding, his purpose

1781
01:25:03,560 --> 01:25:06,240
Speaker 3: was to uplift and boost these restaurants, like that's the

1782
01:25:06,280 --> 01:25:08,400
Speaker 3: whole purpose. The purpose was not to tear them down.

1783
01:25:08,800 --> 01:25:10,760
Speaker 3: The purpose was not to have people to tack like

1784
01:25:10,800 --> 01:25:13,000
Speaker 3: that was. I personally think that was not his goal.

1785
01:25:13,560 --> 01:25:16,759
Speaker 3: So you know, if he does something that he doesn't

1786
01:25:16,760 --> 01:25:18,920
Speaker 3: feel comfortable with putting it out, he is the one

1787
01:25:19,080 --> 01:25:19,920
Speaker 3: to determine that.

1788
01:25:20,360 --> 01:25:22,679
Speaker 2: I just I think his purpose was to give honest

1789
01:25:22,720 --> 01:25:25,519
Speaker 2: reviews of these restaurants, and it turned in the uplifting

1790
01:25:25,560 --> 01:25:27,439
Speaker 2: and helping people and stuff like that that do a

1791
01:25:27,479 --> 01:25:30,480
Speaker 2: good job blah blah blah. I don't think he anticipated

1792
01:25:30,520 --> 01:25:35,240
Speaker 2: the punitive version, like the downside of that. At first

1793
01:25:35,320 --> 01:25:38,040
Speaker 2: I could see that, and I think now after Atlanta,

1794
01:25:38,720 --> 01:25:42,880
Speaker 2: it's no way that he can't see the downside. And

1795
01:25:43,080 --> 01:25:46,840
Speaker 2: I think he understands that there's a cost to it

1796
01:25:46,920 --> 01:25:50,760
Speaker 2: for his reputation and his brand when he does that.

1797
01:25:51,400 --> 01:25:53,839
Speaker 2: And so if you're gonna just trash a whole area,

1798
01:25:54,040 --> 01:25:55,439
Speaker 2: or you're gonna you go and you.

1799
01:25:55,360 --> 01:25:58,280
Speaker 1: Have six bad experiences or whatever.

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01:25:58,800 --> 01:26:00,680
Speaker 2: You just can't put it out because it will just

1801
01:26:00,720 --> 01:26:03,160
Speaker 2: turn him into like this, It will turn him into

1802
01:26:03,320 --> 01:26:06,000
Speaker 2: like the monster that people are trying to say he

1803
01:26:06,160 --> 01:26:10,439
Speaker 2: is already right. Uh, then the Q and as we

1804
01:26:10,479 --> 01:26:14,880
Speaker 2: are officially opting out of the ABC Store debate, Keena

1805
01:26:14,920 --> 01:26:16,439
Speaker 2: says random thought is the better?

1806
01:26:16,560 --> 01:26:19,120
Speaker 1: Is the banter segment? Just random thoughts rebranded? Can we

1807
01:26:19,160 --> 01:26:20,439
Speaker 1: go back? I like that song?

1808
01:26:20,520 --> 01:26:26,360
Speaker 2: Tell me what's on your mind? No, we can't go back. No,

1809
01:26:26,560 --> 01:26:27,960
Speaker 2: it's our shall we do what we want?

1810
01:26:28,760 --> 01:26:32,000
Speaker 1: But and if we do it evolving the something else

1811
01:26:32,840 --> 01:26:33,400
Speaker 1: and flows.

1812
01:26:34,800 --> 01:26:37,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not the same as random thoughts. Don't don't

1813
01:26:37,600 --> 01:26:44,000
Speaker 2: try to stop stop stop trying to get behind the scenes, us.

1814
01:26:44,280 --> 01:26:46,679
Speaker 1: Trying to get into the into the production.

1815
01:26:46,760 --> 01:26:51,680
Speaker 2: Mek Murton ah Lison says ABC Store debates should be

1816
01:26:51,720 --> 01:26:55,240
Speaker 2: people debating their favorite drink while drinking them. Alicia says

1817
01:26:55,280 --> 01:26:57,639
Speaker 2: that awkward moment at the beginning of ABC News Store

1818
01:26:57,840 --> 01:27:00,679
Speaker 2: story had me dying laugh and I instantly really imagine

1819
01:27:00,720 --> 01:27:03,120
Speaker 2: me and my brother in that situation. I rewinded so

1820
01:27:03,200 --> 01:27:07,280
Speaker 2: many times your tune that says Karen, ma'am the way

1821
01:27:07,320 --> 01:27:08,040
Speaker 2: I cackle.

1822
01:27:07,800 --> 01:27:12,760
Speaker 1: The ABC Store ma'am Rael says, mam was like, the

1823
01:27:12,800 --> 01:27:14,479
Speaker 1: fuck are you talking about? Right? That's why I was

1824
01:27:14,479 --> 01:27:16,479
Speaker 1: so confused over here that that don't make sense.

1825
01:27:18,479 --> 01:27:20,800
Speaker 2: Raphael says, I hear about started the petition for all

1826
01:27:21,120 --> 01:27:23,160
Speaker 2: GOP debates to be at ABC stores.

1827
01:27:23,280 --> 01:27:23,960
Speaker 1: I'll watch it.

1828
01:27:23,840 --> 01:27:26,559
Speaker 2: Too anyway, put it on T shirt or something before

1829
01:27:26,600 --> 01:27:29,320
Speaker 2: I started to hustle with it. Kischer says, maybe you

1830
01:27:29,400 --> 01:27:33,519
Speaker 2: can be the official podcast sponsors of the ABC store debates.

1831
01:27:33,720 --> 01:27:35,720
Speaker 1: I'll never be associated with reprogans.

1832
01:27:36,120 --> 01:27:38,320
Speaker 3: Tiffany says, I mean not listen not let's the other

1833
01:27:38,360 --> 01:27:39,200
Speaker 3: ABC store.

1834
01:27:39,280 --> 01:27:42,200
Speaker 1: Now, I don't know now. Tiffany says, wait, the other

1835
01:27:42,240 --> 01:27:43,519
Speaker 1: ABC store. What does that mean?

1836
01:27:43,800 --> 01:27:46,120
Speaker 3: You said ABC debates. You said you never need to puck.

1837
01:27:46,320 --> 01:27:48,439
Speaker 3: I said, now listen to other ABC store, the liquor store.

1838
01:27:48,760 --> 01:27:49,559
Speaker 1: That's what they're saying.

1839
01:27:49,600 --> 01:27:52,360
Speaker 2: They're saying, maybe we could be the official podcast sponsors

1840
01:27:52,360 --> 01:27:55,759
Speaker 2: of the ABC store debates. They'll responding to my comment,

1841
01:27:55,800 --> 01:27:57,960
Speaker 2: we officially are opting out of the ABC store debate.

1842
01:27:58,640 --> 01:28:01,760
Speaker 3: Oh, like I said, I don't know that if they

1843
01:28:01,800 --> 01:28:05,240
Speaker 3: send us a Republican debate, so no, I would not

1844
01:28:05,400 --> 01:28:06,680
Speaker 3: ever have anything to do with it.

1845
01:28:06,800 --> 01:28:08,879
Speaker 1: Period. I'm giving a fuck. They did in a horrorouse.

1846
01:28:08,960 --> 01:28:11,800
Speaker 3: Not no, not not with the Republican debate. Just well,

1847
01:28:11,840 --> 01:28:13,719
Speaker 3: that's the that's the that's.

1848
01:28:13,520 --> 01:28:15,800
Speaker 1: The cavi off. We didn't know. No, no, we didn't know.

1849
01:28:15,800 --> 01:28:18,360
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I can't do this. I had to process

1850
01:28:18,400 --> 01:28:18,960
Speaker 1: that note.

1851
01:28:19,120 --> 01:28:21,439
Speaker 2: Tiffany says, I'm in Karen take a shot every time

1852
01:28:21,520 --> 01:28:24,360
Speaker 2: motherfucker say cancel culture woke or Ron de Santez makes that.

1853
01:28:24,640 --> 01:28:27,200
Speaker 1: Creepy in cel grin your living might not make it.

1854
01:28:27,520 --> 01:28:30,479
Speaker 2: Rogers says that ABC Stoy should host the next Oscars.

1855
01:28:30,479 --> 01:28:34,160
Speaker 2: Hope nobody don't get slapped Mucho Mama says most modern

1856
01:28:34,160 --> 01:28:36,360
Speaker 2: microwaves have a mute function to turn off the beat.

1857
01:28:36,680 --> 01:28:41,680
Speaker 2: Typically it's holding zero for three seconds. YouTube University, You're welcome.

1858
01:28:41,439 --> 01:28:43,880
Speaker 1: Thank you. I just want everybody know I was joking.

1859
01:28:44,160 --> 01:28:47,280
Speaker 1: That was a joke. I don't actually need to have

1860
01:28:47,320 --> 01:28:50,040
Speaker 1: a solid microwave to eat my wife's leftovers. That was

1861
01:28:50,080 --> 01:28:54,240
Speaker 1: all jokes. I'm a hard sleeper. I don't be hearing

1862
01:28:54,240 --> 01:28:57,559
Speaker 1: that shit. Guess who says black Republicans, Well, it's not that.

1863
01:28:57,680 --> 01:29:00,880
Speaker 2: It's just that Karen is boogie and doesn't eat leftovers.

1864
01:29:01,200 --> 01:29:03,120
Speaker 1: That's really what it is. I don't know what's wrong.

1865
01:29:03,160 --> 01:29:03,479
Speaker 3: With her.

1866
01:29:03,920 --> 01:29:05,679
Speaker 2: I don't know if she grew up in a house

1867
01:29:05,680 --> 01:29:09,760
Speaker 2: where they never had fucking leftovers. But you, to me,

1868
01:29:10,240 --> 01:29:13,000
Speaker 2: you eat leftovers because it's leftover food and you.

1869
01:29:13,120 --> 01:29:14,160
Speaker 1: Leave it to finish later.

1870
01:29:14,240 --> 01:29:17,639
Speaker 2: So she'll only eat leftovers as there's literally nothing else

1871
01:29:17,640 --> 01:29:19,479
Speaker 2: to eat in the house and nobody's gonna order out,

1872
01:29:19,560 --> 01:29:23,880
Speaker 2: which is crazy. Guess who Black Republicans could have a

1873
01:29:23,920 --> 01:29:26,519
Speaker 2: community if we treat each other. I guess guess who

1874
01:29:26,560 --> 01:29:28,599
Speaker 2: is Jason Willlot because he keeps writing there and needs

1875
01:29:28,600 --> 01:29:31,200
Speaker 2: Republicans talking points like I don't know.

1876
01:29:31,120 --> 01:29:32,160
Speaker 1: Why they're so focused.

1877
01:29:32,560 --> 01:29:34,320
Speaker 2: Hey, shout out to the Black Republicans and find a

1878
01:29:34,320 --> 01:29:37,200
Speaker 2: way to listen, though, Goo for you. We're gonna change

1879
01:29:37,200 --> 01:29:41,519
Speaker 2: you for you change us, bitch ass niggas Black Republicans.

1880
01:29:42,240 --> 01:29:46,880
Speaker 1: Cause we ain't changing you cool ass niggas. Oh you

1881
01:29:46,880 --> 01:29:48,720
Speaker 1: want to have a bat on the wheel, bitch, you

1882
01:29:48,840 --> 01:29:53,120
Speaker 1: have a bat on the wheels this Democratic plantation.

1883
01:29:53,800 --> 01:29:56,720
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll left Messa Joe Biden with my back and

1884
01:29:56,840 --> 01:29:59,600
Speaker 2: change my name to Toby before your ass do you

1885
01:30:00,200 --> 01:30:00,479
Speaker 2: a win.

1886
01:30:01,280 --> 01:30:04,080
Speaker 1: You'll never take me away from Messabagen.

1887
01:30:03,880 --> 01:30:06,360
Speaker 2: Black and Follicus could have a community and we treat

1888
01:30:06,400 --> 01:30:09,080
Speaker 2: each other as a community. It's okay to have differences,

1889
01:30:09,120 --> 01:30:11,840
Speaker 2: but to listen and see each other, well, can never

1890
01:30:11,880 --> 01:30:12,639
Speaker 2: come into fruition.

1891
01:30:13,040 --> 01:30:17,439
Speaker 1: Well when you're a lot of your differences are.

1892
01:30:18,760 --> 01:30:22,519
Speaker 2: Rooted in like people's humanity, like gay people going to

1893
01:30:22,840 --> 01:30:25,360
Speaker 2: like going can't they got they can't get married, and

1894
01:30:25,439 --> 01:30:29,160
Speaker 2: women can't have the right to to to have an abortion,

1895
01:30:29,479 --> 01:30:35,840
Speaker 2: and uh, you know, trans people shouldn't exist, and uh.

1896
01:30:35,920 --> 01:30:38,800
Speaker 1: You know, if you're not from America, blah blah blah.

1897
01:30:38,840 --> 01:30:40,960
Speaker 2: Like a lot of these differences, ain't some we can

1898
01:30:41,160 --> 01:30:42,800
Speaker 2: if we could just learn to see past them.

1899
01:30:42,960 --> 01:30:45,280
Speaker 1: You you're you're literally choosing not.

1900
01:30:45,280 --> 01:30:46,920
Speaker 2: To see past them.

1901
01:30:46,960 --> 01:30:49,559
Speaker 1: So you're talking about people's rights.

1902
01:30:49,560 --> 01:30:51,840
Speaker 2: Man, I don't know how y'all do it over there,

1903
01:30:51,880 --> 01:30:55,720
Speaker 2: but uh, you know, it's it's not it's definitely not

1904
01:30:56,000 --> 01:30:56,280
Speaker 2: for me.

1905
01:30:56,760 --> 01:30:59,920
Speaker 1: You know, whatever y'all doing over there. Uh, it's just

1906
01:31:00,080 --> 01:31:03,360
Speaker 1: too mm hmmm. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I don't know

1907
01:31:03,400 --> 01:31:09,559
Speaker 1: how to do it. Okay, I don't know what's so hilarious. Oh,

1908
01:31:09,600 --> 01:31:10,880
Speaker 1: I know you're a coon.

1909
01:31:13,000 --> 01:31:16,000
Speaker 2: Appreciate you writing now, Jason Whitlock. We'll see you next week.

1910
01:31:17,439 --> 01:31:20,920
Speaker 2: And then that's it for these episodes. Let's get into

1911
01:31:21,120 --> 01:31:51,559
Speaker 2: the voicemails. All right, voicemail time. We got a couple

1912
01:31:51,560 --> 01:31:54,439
Speaker 2: of new ones, start with Keana for the first one.

1913
01:31:55,880 --> 01:31:59,320
Speaker 8: Hey, y'all, it's so I'm listening to the Feedback show

1914
01:31:59,439 --> 01:32:03,320
Speaker 8: and y'all are talking about the issues within dating and like,

1915
01:32:03,439 --> 01:32:05,559
Speaker 8: how like a lot of black men are heavy leana

1916
01:32:05,600 --> 01:32:09,960
Speaker 8: and to patriarchy. And I remember listening to I'm going

1917
01:32:10,000 --> 01:32:13,920
Speaker 8: to Jill Scott's podcast, and Asia from the singing group

1918
01:32:14,040 --> 01:32:18,320
Speaker 8: Kindred is on the show, and she was just saying,

1919
01:32:18,320 --> 01:32:23,200
Speaker 8: how like, when we talk about submission, like submission relationships,

1920
01:32:23,200 --> 01:32:25,120
Speaker 8: when we talk about submission, that's generally the way we

1921
01:32:25,160 --> 01:32:27,559
Speaker 8: talk about like submitting to God, whoever that God might

1922
01:32:27,600 --> 01:32:30,639
Speaker 8: be for you. Right, And so in these conversations where

1923
01:32:31,360 --> 01:32:35,080
Speaker 8: men are so hyper fixated on submission, knowingly or maybe unknowingly,

1924
01:32:35,479 --> 01:32:38,080
Speaker 8: they're putting themselves in a position to like have to

1925
01:32:38,080 --> 01:32:40,400
Speaker 8: be treated like a God. But there's a whole lot

1926
01:32:40,479 --> 01:32:42,479
Speaker 8: of other stuff that comes up behind us. There's a

1927
01:32:42,520 --> 01:32:45,240
Speaker 8: lot of responsibility, there's a lot of stuff that comes

1928
01:32:45,280 --> 01:32:48,320
Speaker 8: up behind it, and the men having these conversations aren't

1929
01:32:48,360 --> 01:32:51,200
Speaker 8: necessarily equipped or willing to pull up all of that

1930
01:32:51,320 --> 01:32:55,080
Speaker 8: other stuff that comes along with like having someone who

1931
01:32:55,120 --> 01:32:57,519
Speaker 8: was fully submitted to you. And what she was saying

1932
01:32:57,560 --> 01:32:59,760
Speaker 8: is there's a lot of other things that are just

1933
01:33:00,120 --> 01:33:05,360
Speaker 8: more useful to your partner in a relationship. And she

1934
01:33:05,439 --> 01:33:09,400
Speaker 8: said it was a cert as compassion, empathy, respect, and trust,

1935
01:33:09,439 --> 01:33:12,160
Speaker 8: and like all of those things are for far more useful.

1936
01:33:13,040 --> 01:33:17,200
Speaker 8: There's submission in a relationship to your partner, specifically like

1937
01:33:17,280 --> 01:33:19,320
Speaker 8: your male partner, but a lot of men would rather

1938
01:33:19,439 --> 01:33:22,360
Speaker 8: leave all that to the side for submission. I'm gonna

1939
01:33:22,360 --> 01:33:23,760
Speaker 8: try to make this quick because I don't want to get

1940
01:33:23,720 --> 01:33:25,000
Speaker 8: cut off. But I think a lot of that is

1941
01:33:25,040 --> 01:33:27,559
Speaker 8: because a lot of black men have unmet needs and

1942
01:33:27,560 --> 01:33:31,000
Speaker 8: they're leading heavy into like the white patriarchy thinking it's

1943
01:33:31,040 --> 01:33:33,080
Speaker 8: going to get those these net It's never going to

1944
01:33:33,120 --> 01:33:36,080
Speaker 8: get those these net because white patriarchy does not care

1945
01:33:36,120 --> 01:33:39,559
Speaker 8: about black men. And I think when y'all, as you know,

1946
01:33:39,640 --> 01:33:42,280
Speaker 8: as a whole, are able to really grasp that, I

1947
01:33:42,320 --> 01:33:45,280
Speaker 8: think that maybe like the conversation can shift a little

1948
01:33:45,280 --> 01:33:51,120
Speaker 8: bit away from like submission to true partnership. So that's it.

1949
01:33:51,640 --> 01:33:53,439
Speaker 8: I hope y'all have a great night, Love y'all, bye.

1950
01:33:55,240 --> 01:33:57,640
Speaker 3: And also it's one of those things where it's a

1951
01:33:57,680 --> 01:34:01,640
Speaker 3: lot more behind that basically submit to each other. But

1952
01:34:02,000 --> 01:34:04,760
Speaker 3: men only hear why I submit to your husband and

1953
01:34:04,800 --> 01:34:07,760
Speaker 3: the YadA YadA, YadA, YadA YadA past everything else kind

1954
01:34:07,760 --> 01:34:12,000
Speaker 3: of behind that phrase. And also, you know in that

1955
01:34:12,120 --> 01:34:17,040
Speaker 3: quote unquote part respect your spouse, honor your spouse, love

1956
01:34:17,080 --> 01:34:21,200
Speaker 3: your spouse, like oh, your significant other is part of

1957
01:34:21,240 --> 01:34:25,400
Speaker 3: the part of that. You know, you okay that uh no,

1958
01:34:25,520 --> 01:34:28,320
Speaker 3: I realized I fucked up. Keep going, okay, it's it's

1959
01:34:28,560 --> 01:34:29,040
Speaker 3: no problem.

1960
01:34:29,040 --> 01:34:29,599
Speaker 1: I'm sorry.

1961
01:34:29,680 --> 01:34:32,479
Speaker 2: I skipped the episode by acid. It's my favorite episode

1962
01:34:32,479 --> 01:34:32,760
Speaker 2: of the week.

1963
01:34:32,880 --> 01:34:34,960
Speaker 1: MJ. We had MJ on We're gonna go back to

1964
01:34:34,960 --> 01:34:36,400
Speaker 1: it after this, no problem.

1965
01:34:36,560 --> 01:34:38,800
Speaker 3: And that's a part of you know, the process too.

1966
01:34:38,840 --> 01:34:41,599
Speaker 3: But like you say, they're trying to fill a hole

1967
01:34:42,720 --> 01:34:45,600
Speaker 3: with looking at white supremacy when they actually want if

1968
01:34:45,640 --> 01:34:48,320
Speaker 3: they quote unquote want to fill that hole, look at

1969
01:34:48,360 --> 01:34:50,680
Speaker 3: your mate and work with each other to kind of

1970
01:34:50,840 --> 01:34:53,240
Speaker 3: help you get through whatever this is, you know, in

1971
01:34:53,240 --> 01:34:54,679
Speaker 3: that partnership setting.

1972
01:34:55,479 --> 01:34:56,160
Speaker 1: And you know.

1973
01:34:56,160 --> 01:34:58,320
Speaker 3: Sometime people have a tendency to forget that because you

1974
01:34:58,320 --> 01:35:00,439
Speaker 3: have a lot of people to do that that and

1975
01:35:00,479 --> 01:35:02,519
Speaker 3: like y'all matter that and they don't respect their spouse,

1976
01:35:02,560 --> 01:35:05,479
Speaker 3: they treat their wife like property, They treat their children

1977
01:35:05,560 --> 01:35:07,160
Speaker 3: like property, that they're terrible men.

1978
01:35:07,200 --> 01:35:09,479
Speaker 1: They don't want to be responsible because.

1979
01:35:09,240 --> 01:35:13,320
Speaker 3: That's this is the thing, particularly with men quote unquote

1980
01:35:13,320 --> 01:35:16,320
Speaker 3: really really harp on being ahead of the household, you

1981
01:35:16,400 --> 01:35:19,040
Speaker 3: know type of thing, and that mentality. Well, head of

1982
01:35:19,040 --> 01:35:22,000
Speaker 3: the household, it's more than I tell you what the

1983
01:35:22,080 --> 01:35:24,840
Speaker 3: fucking do. And a lot of men that's it, that's

1984
01:35:24,840 --> 01:35:26,960
Speaker 3: what it means. You listen to me, bitch, I'm the

1985
01:35:26,960 --> 01:35:28,840
Speaker 3: head of the household. Well, head of household, mean you

1986
01:35:28,880 --> 01:35:31,880
Speaker 3: step up, you're responsible, you accountable, you take care of

1987
01:35:31,920 --> 01:35:36,759
Speaker 3: your kids, you know, and all this other shit that actually,

1988
01:35:37,240 --> 01:35:40,200
Speaker 3: uh for a lot of for a percentage of black men,

1989
01:35:40,240 --> 01:35:41,559
Speaker 3: they don't want to do, but they want to swing

1990
01:35:41,600 --> 01:35:43,639
Speaker 3: they dicks around that the head of a household. Well,

1991
01:35:43,640 --> 01:35:45,759
Speaker 3: if you're head of a household and you have children

1992
01:35:45,760 --> 01:35:48,680
Speaker 3: and you're no longer with that baby's mother, you need

1993
01:35:48,720 --> 01:35:52,080
Speaker 3: to be quote unquote responsible man and pay child support

1994
01:35:52,080 --> 01:35:53,720
Speaker 3: and help take care of the kids, even though y'all

1995
01:35:53,800 --> 01:35:56,439
Speaker 3: might not be together. You know, that's quote unquote part

1996
01:35:56,439 --> 01:35:58,680
Speaker 3: of manhood and growing up and being the accountable and

1997
01:35:58,720 --> 01:36:02,280
Speaker 3: responsible too, you know. And there are men to do this,

1998
01:36:02,400 --> 01:36:05,839
Speaker 3: but there are percentage that don't. And those men affect

1999
01:36:05,920 --> 01:36:08,880
Speaker 3: the children and and and the generations after them and

2000
01:36:08,920 --> 01:36:10,880
Speaker 3: things like that, and you know, it's one of those

2001
01:36:10,880 --> 01:36:13,120
Speaker 3: things where when you get down to the bottom of it,

2002
01:36:13,439 --> 01:36:15,840
Speaker 3: you know, I do agree with what she's saying. It's

2003
01:36:15,880 --> 01:36:20,040
Speaker 3: more to it than I am just here as a

2004
01:36:20,080 --> 01:36:23,280
Speaker 3: quote unquote placeholder to boss everybody around.

2005
01:36:23,360 --> 01:36:24,760
Speaker 1: It's a lot deeper than that.

2006
01:36:25,160 --> 01:36:27,760
Speaker 3: And also, if you want your spouse's significant other to

2007
01:36:27,800 --> 01:36:30,040
Speaker 3: respect you, there are things that you have to do

2008
01:36:30,720 --> 01:36:32,760
Speaker 3: and you have to grow up and you know, uh,

2009
01:36:33,000 --> 01:36:34,960
Speaker 3: and and to fill those shoes and that's not an

2010
01:36:34,960 --> 01:36:38,120
Speaker 3: easy task for anybody to do. But you know, if

2011
01:36:38,160 --> 01:36:39,840
Speaker 3: these are your tradition, that these are the things you

2012
01:36:39,880 --> 01:36:42,440
Speaker 3: believe in, you know, sometimes you have to grow backbone

2013
01:36:42,840 --> 01:36:45,680
Speaker 3: to do these things. And it's not it's hard to

2014
01:36:45,720 --> 01:36:47,720
Speaker 3: be an adult, and it's hard to be accountable and

2015
01:36:47,760 --> 01:36:50,720
Speaker 3: responsible for other people. It's not an easy task. But

2016
01:36:50,960 --> 01:36:52,840
Speaker 3: the burden would not be so hard if you did

2017
01:36:52,840 --> 01:36:55,280
Speaker 3: it as a unit, because two is better than one

2018
01:36:55,360 --> 01:36:58,840
Speaker 3: and any day. And the thing is also with partnerships.

2019
01:36:59,240 --> 01:37:01,800
Speaker 3: Sometimes I'm gonna lead, sometimes you're gonna lead. But they

2020
01:37:01,840 --> 01:37:04,440
Speaker 3: always think about it as them being the only leader

2021
01:37:04,680 --> 01:37:07,720
Speaker 3: versus sometimes allowing their spouse to lead and they follow too,

2022
01:37:07,800 --> 01:37:10,439
Speaker 3: which is also a part of that you know, partnership thing.

2023
01:37:13,080 --> 01:37:14,880
Speaker 1: I would say also that.

2024
01:37:18,520 --> 01:37:22,800
Speaker 2: It's you know, the men say the submission thing like

2025
01:37:22,840 --> 01:37:26,439
Speaker 2: a wife, a woman should submit to her husband and

2026
01:37:26,439 --> 01:37:28,920
Speaker 2: and and they do all that with the Bible, and

2027
01:37:29,320 --> 01:37:31,920
Speaker 2: they try to couch it in like religiosity and all

2028
01:37:31,920 --> 01:37:37,880
Speaker 2: this stuff. And I think what can't really be avoided

2029
01:37:38,080 --> 01:37:43,720
Speaker 2: on that is that scripture also says something about how

2030
01:37:43,800 --> 01:37:48,760
Speaker 2: you should, you know, treat your wife as if she

2031
01:37:49,240 --> 01:37:52,439
Speaker 2: like you know, how God treats supposedly treats the earth

2032
01:37:52,479 --> 01:37:56,000
Speaker 2: and whatnot. You know, like it's not just say, hey,

2033
01:37:56,960 --> 01:38:00,200
Speaker 2: uh you can you can just come here and uh,

2034
01:38:00,720 --> 01:38:02,400
Speaker 2: I'm God and you just do what the fuck I

2035
01:38:02,520 --> 01:38:03,000
Speaker 2: tell you to do.

2036
01:38:03,240 --> 01:38:05,799
Speaker 1: It's like supposed to be a reciprocal thing.

2037
01:38:05,680 --> 01:38:08,519
Speaker 2: Where it's like and I'm gonna love you, and I'm

2038
01:38:08,520 --> 01:38:13,040
Speaker 2: gonna treat you the way that I'm supposed to, as

2039
01:38:13,240 --> 01:38:17,720
Speaker 2: you know, God is supposed to because that's the right

2040
01:38:17,760 --> 01:38:20,360
Speaker 2: thing to do. And so the way that God is

2041
01:38:20,400 --> 01:38:21,160
Speaker 2: supposed to have.

2042
01:38:21,080 --> 01:38:26,160
Speaker 1: This unmitigated love for.

2043
01:38:27,920 --> 01:38:33,160
Speaker 2: Humanity and for his people and for the earth, you're

2044
01:38:33,200 --> 01:38:35,720
Speaker 2: supposed to have that for.

2045
01:38:37,400 --> 01:38:38,760
Speaker 1: Your wife.

2046
01:38:38,880 --> 01:38:40,960
Speaker 2: So they're not even holding up their side of the

2047
01:38:41,000 --> 01:38:44,439
Speaker 2: bargain when it comes to this submission situation.

2048
01:38:45,760 --> 01:38:46,639
Speaker 1: And saying like.

2049
01:38:46,640 --> 01:38:48,160
Speaker 2: Well, this is what this is, this is what it

2050
01:38:48,200 --> 01:38:50,320
Speaker 2: has to be about. You have to submit to your husband.

2051
01:38:50,600 --> 01:38:52,960
Speaker 2: They're just saying, do what the fuck I say, bitch,

2052
01:38:53,160 --> 01:38:56,000
Speaker 2: Like it's no like, there's no actual.

2053
01:38:56,160 --> 01:38:57,839
Speaker 1: There's no action behind those words.

2054
01:38:57,920 --> 01:39:01,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no actual like submission that's happening in a

2055
01:39:01,360 --> 01:39:05,760
Speaker 2: way that makes any level of fucking sense. So I

2056
01:39:05,800 --> 01:39:08,840
Speaker 2: think for a lot of people, you know, they pick

2057
01:39:08,960 --> 01:39:13,520
Speaker 2: up on that, and it's not worth it to them,

2058
01:39:13,920 --> 01:39:16,040
Speaker 2: to a lot of women now to even get married,

2059
01:39:16,200 --> 01:39:18,720
Speaker 2: you know, because a lot of the stuff that we're

2060
01:39:18,720 --> 01:39:22,080
Speaker 2: seeing from people is so biased and so fucked up

2061
01:39:22,439 --> 01:39:24,120
Speaker 2: that it's like, why would I even want to be

2062
01:39:24,160 --> 01:39:27,759
Speaker 2: with somebody like that? So I think that's a huge

2063
01:39:27,800 --> 01:39:32,439
Speaker 2: part of it. But just in general, if you're not

2064
01:39:32,560 --> 01:39:35,920
Speaker 2: holding if you believe in this patriarchal shit, you can't

2065
01:39:35,960 --> 01:39:40,400
Speaker 2: believe in it halfway. And if men were holding up

2066
01:39:40,439 --> 01:39:45,200
Speaker 2: their side of the patriarchal equation, which many black men

2067
01:39:45,240 --> 01:39:50,320
Speaker 2: are simply not able to because of racism, discrimination and whatnot,

2068
01:39:50,960 --> 01:39:54,000
Speaker 2: because it's never been for us but if we were

2069
01:39:54,000 --> 01:39:57,200
Speaker 2: holding up our side of the equation, you would find

2070
01:39:57,240 --> 01:39:58,760
Speaker 2: a lot of women willing to submit to that.

2071
01:39:59,280 --> 01:40:02,639
Speaker 1: You know who's some into that all the time? White women? Why?

2072
01:40:02,960 --> 01:40:08,800
Speaker 2: Because America's racial privilege and all that shit has kept

2073
01:40:08,960 --> 01:40:12,160
Speaker 2: enough white men, not a lot, but it's kept enough

2074
01:40:12,200 --> 01:40:19,640
Speaker 2: white men in positions of authority and economic stability to

2075
01:40:19,720 --> 01:40:24,040
Speaker 2: their family to allow them to go I do believe

2076
01:40:24,040 --> 01:40:26,439
Speaker 2: in this bullshit. Yeah, I'm gonna lose the right to

2077
01:40:26,479 --> 01:40:29,040
Speaker 2: have an abortion, but I believe in this bullshit. I'm

2078
01:40:29,080 --> 01:40:31,639
Speaker 2: gonna vote for this bullshit. I'm gonna support my man

2079
01:40:32,120 --> 01:40:35,080
Speaker 2: in this bullshit because I feel like I'll be protected

2080
01:40:35,760 --> 01:40:37,720
Speaker 2: in this. That's why you have white women that are

2081
01:40:37,760 --> 01:40:40,960
Speaker 2: much more conservative than other demographics of women, because they

2082
01:40:40,960 --> 01:40:44,519
Speaker 2: feel protected by that patriarchy. Black women ain't never been

2083
01:40:44,560 --> 01:40:48,479
Speaker 2: protected by that patriarchy in mass ever in America, and

2084
01:40:48,520 --> 01:40:52,799
Speaker 2: they never will be. So you're asking women to believe

2085
01:40:52,840 --> 01:40:54,880
Speaker 2: in something you can't provide.

2086
01:40:54,840 --> 01:40:57,040
Speaker 1: And that doesn't really exist for them anyway.

2087
01:40:58,080 --> 01:41:00,479
Speaker 2: So of course you're gonna end up in these fucking

2088
01:41:00,520 --> 01:41:03,240
Speaker 2: gender wars and these dumb ass discussions, because like, who

2089
01:41:03,280 --> 01:41:05,080
Speaker 2: the fuck is dumb enough to fall for that shit?

2090
01:41:05,680 --> 01:41:05,920
Speaker 1: Now?

2091
01:41:06,040 --> 01:41:10,120
Speaker 2: And honestly, black women, while they add so much to

2092
01:41:10,240 --> 01:41:14,920
Speaker 2: life and they're beautiful and strong and supportive and all

2093
01:41:14,920 --> 01:41:17,080
Speaker 2: the other adjectives that y'all say before y'all call on

2094
01:41:17,200 --> 01:41:19,240
Speaker 2: queen and all that shit. I'm not saying those things

2095
01:41:19,240 --> 01:41:21,439
Speaker 2: aren't true, but you know it no only is led

2096
01:41:21,520 --> 01:41:24,600
Speaker 2: by like you know, followed up by some bullshit. But

2097
01:41:24,720 --> 01:41:27,040
Speaker 2: the point being like, while they are all those things,

2098
01:41:27,439 --> 01:41:31,240
Speaker 2: they do not control America. They do not control the

2099
01:41:31,280 --> 01:41:35,080
Speaker 2: forces and wills of power in America. They cannot make

2100
01:41:35,560 --> 01:41:39,679
Speaker 2: you have whatever it is you think you need to have,

2101
01:41:40,080 --> 01:41:43,320
Speaker 2: and coming home and pretending that you have it is

2102
01:41:43,360 --> 01:41:46,080
Speaker 2: the closest you're ever gonna get to having it, which

2103
01:41:46,120 --> 01:41:49,000
Speaker 2: is why you are like, I insist that you believe

2104
01:41:49,040 --> 01:41:51,080
Speaker 2: in this bullshit because that's the only way for me

2105
01:41:51,120 --> 01:41:53,439
Speaker 2: to feel like you believe in me. And I'm like

2106
01:41:53,560 --> 01:41:57,240
Speaker 2: that ain't really love, that's fake anyway. What Like, you

2107
01:41:57,320 --> 01:41:59,599
Speaker 2: need to come home and be submissive because the world

2108
01:41:59,640 --> 01:42:02,160
Speaker 2: wants so to me. And the way it's submissed the

2109
01:42:02,200 --> 01:42:04,519
Speaker 2: white men is if that's ever been a good thing

2110
01:42:05,000 --> 01:42:07,320
Speaker 2: for society, that the world bends over for white men,

2111
01:42:07,840 --> 01:42:11,280
Speaker 2: we shouldn't even want that shit. I don't know why

2112
01:42:11,479 --> 01:42:14,639
Speaker 2: we have not deprogrammed ourselves from that shit, because real

2113
01:42:14,720 --> 01:42:17,880
Speaker 2: love and real happiness is in that equality. It is

2114
01:42:18,000 --> 01:42:20,680
Speaker 2: in that you know, that person that respects you, that

2115
01:42:20,800 --> 01:42:23,639
Speaker 2: person that is a partner with you, that's real love

2116
01:42:23,680 --> 01:42:26,320
Speaker 2: to me. And that's of course we're talking some very

2117
01:42:26,600 --> 01:42:31,120
Speaker 2: sense head or normative, right. You know, I forget when

2118
01:42:31,120 --> 01:42:34,320
Speaker 2: it's just one relationship, but you know what I mean, monogamous,

2119
01:42:34,320 --> 01:42:37,120
Speaker 2: we're talking in those things. But even in a partnership

2120
01:42:37,520 --> 01:42:40,840
Speaker 2: that even if it was twelve people you're dating, the

2121
01:42:40,880 --> 01:42:43,360
Speaker 2: idea of equality and partnership is strong.

2122
01:42:43,520 --> 01:42:44,960
Speaker 1: That's the thing that.

2123
01:42:44,960 --> 01:42:49,519
Speaker 2: Gets you through this power struggle, this kindergarten bullshit or

2124
01:42:49,520 --> 01:42:53,679
Speaker 2: like the man is in charge, this men women eat salad,

2125
01:42:53,720 --> 01:42:58,639
Speaker 2: men eat steak. That that bullshit is just holding people back.

2126
01:42:58,680 --> 01:43:01,679
Speaker 2: And it's sad to watch the whole that it still

2127
01:43:01,760 --> 01:43:06,240
Speaker 2: has on people who are fucking grown ups. You're still

2128
01:43:06,280 --> 01:43:08,280
Speaker 2: talking about what women need to do and all that

2129
01:43:08,280 --> 01:43:12,080
Speaker 2: shit and arguing over it and submitting shit. It's just

2130
01:43:12,240 --> 01:43:14,439
Speaker 2: it feels fucked up and stupid.

2131
01:43:14,439 --> 01:43:17,800
Speaker 3: It's regressive, and one more thing and then we can

2132
01:43:18,200 --> 01:43:22,680
Speaker 3: move on. It's funny how and you're talking about how

2133
01:43:22,720 --> 01:43:26,040
Speaker 3: a lot of women, particularly just across the board, are

2134
01:43:26,080 --> 01:43:29,719
Speaker 3: opting straight women are opting not to get married anymore.

2135
01:43:30,520 --> 01:43:34,120
Speaker 3: It's funny though, because like and not all men, but

2136
01:43:34,240 --> 01:43:36,439
Speaker 3: a lot of men have been through this. When you

2137
01:43:36,520 --> 01:43:38,839
Speaker 3: get married, a lot of you, the boys and friends,

2138
01:43:38,880 --> 01:43:42,559
Speaker 3: they always emphasize on how much you're losing, how you

2139
01:43:42,560 --> 01:43:44,880
Speaker 3: can't get on these holes no more, whatever it is,

2140
01:43:44,960 --> 01:43:46,840
Speaker 3: how you're losing your freedom, whatever it is.

2141
01:43:46,920 --> 01:43:50,240
Speaker 1: They they tell women. They tell men how much they're.

2142
01:43:50,080 --> 01:43:53,920
Speaker 3: Losing, but they tell women, quote unquote, how much you're gaining.

2143
01:43:54,439 --> 01:43:55,679
Speaker 1: But that's not true.

2144
01:43:56,280 --> 01:44:01,280
Speaker 3: You know, in the reality, women lose a lot whenever

2145
01:44:01,320 --> 01:44:02,160
Speaker 3: they get married.

2146
01:44:02,160 --> 01:44:03,360
Speaker 1: They don't really talk about this.

2147
01:44:03,479 --> 01:44:06,160
Speaker 3: These are lies and stuff that your parents and great

2148
01:44:06,160 --> 01:44:08,160
Speaker 3: grandparents and shit went through that they don't really talk

2149
01:44:08,160 --> 01:44:10,280
Speaker 3: about it. You don't find out to they older. A

2150
01:44:10,320 --> 01:44:12,639
Speaker 3: lot of women lose a lot of freedoms, a lot

2151
01:44:12,640 --> 01:44:16,679
Speaker 3: of women lose a lot of rights. A lot of women, Uh,

2152
01:44:16,800 --> 01:44:21,400
Speaker 3: they basically have a not telling me funny. I'm talking

2153
01:44:21,400 --> 01:44:24,519
Speaker 3: about straight relationships, and and every household is different. But

2154
01:44:24,600 --> 01:44:26,240
Speaker 3: for a lot of women, they've been through this. I've

2155
01:44:26,240 --> 01:44:29,559
Speaker 3: talked to enough of y'all that they basically have somebody

2156
01:44:29,600 --> 01:44:31,400
Speaker 3: that now they have to quote unquote take care of

2157
01:44:31,520 --> 01:44:34,479
Speaker 3: as a child because they're not mature. Then they have children.

2158
01:44:34,560 --> 01:44:35,920
Speaker 3: Now I gotta take care of my children, and in

2159
01:44:35,960 --> 01:44:38,639
Speaker 3: quote unquote take care of you too. You know, they

2160
01:44:39,040 --> 01:44:42,200
Speaker 3: they they they are doing all of the housework, even

2161
01:44:42,240 --> 01:44:43,120
Speaker 3: though they've worked.

2162
01:44:42,920 --> 01:44:44,880
Speaker 1: All day, just like you have. They have to come home.

2163
01:44:44,920 --> 01:44:46,320
Speaker 3: They got to cook, they got to clean, they got

2164
01:44:46,360 --> 01:44:48,400
Speaker 3: to rear the children, they got to do all these things.

2165
01:44:48,560 --> 01:44:50,759
Speaker 3: They're losing out on a lot of their lives. They

2166
01:44:51,040 --> 01:44:53,120
Speaker 3: they're they're they're delaying a lot of their hopes and

2167
01:44:53,200 --> 01:44:56,320
Speaker 3: dreams and aspirations a lot of the times because you know,

2168
01:44:56,360 --> 01:44:58,640
Speaker 3: society tells you to quote unquote put family first, put

2169
01:44:58,680 --> 01:45:01,280
Speaker 3: them first, Put family first, put first. But they don't

2170
01:45:01,280 --> 01:45:03,439
Speaker 3: ever tell men to put fan face, put fan frace,

2171
01:45:03,479 --> 01:45:07,400
Speaker 3: put fan first. You know, it's always men can literally

2172
01:45:07,439 --> 01:45:09,320
Speaker 3: just do whatever the fuck they want to. And you

2173
01:45:09,360 --> 01:45:12,000
Speaker 3: know they always asks, you know, where's your mom? They

2174
01:45:12,000 --> 01:45:14,479
Speaker 3: never asks where's your dad. You know, dads can go

2175
01:45:14,560 --> 01:45:17,720
Speaker 3: off and work sixty hours, one hundred and twenty five

2176
01:45:17,720 --> 01:45:20,360
Speaker 3: hours a week. Nobody asks them houses impacting your household?

2177
01:45:20,640 --> 01:45:22,720
Speaker 3: You know women work that hard, they always ask you

2178
01:45:22,760 --> 01:45:23,960
Speaker 3: house that impacting your house.

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Speaker 2: Also, that's part of patriarchy too, though correct, that's part

2180
01:45:27,720 --> 01:45:29,760
Speaker 2: of it too, because then the idea becomes and this

2181
01:45:29,840 --> 01:45:33,760
Speaker 2: is why stupid, yes, because the idea becomes like that

2182
01:45:34,000 --> 01:45:36,479
Speaker 2: is being a good father. You willing to work one

2183
01:45:36,520 --> 01:45:39,360
Speaker 2: hundred hours a week for your family. What a good

2184
01:45:39,400 --> 01:45:42,439
Speaker 2: man you must be, What a good dad you must be.

2185
01:45:42,439 --> 01:45:45,400
Speaker 2: Because the idea of like being around your kid, hanging

2186
01:45:45,439 --> 01:45:48,320
Speaker 2: out with them, doing the labor or the household, those

2187
01:45:48,320 --> 01:45:51,639
Speaker 2: are not manly things. So you could do those things

2188
01:45:51,960 --> 01:45:53,920
Speaker 2: and it might make you a good partner at home

2189
01:45:54,000 --> 01:45:56,240
Speaker 2: and a good contribute the less stress.

2190
01:45:55,920 --> 01:45:58,040
Speaker 1: In your house, blah blah blah. But that ain't how

2191
01:45:58,160 --> 01:45:59,960
Speaker 1: men are supposed to do it. Men are supposed to

2192
01:46:00,920 --> 01:46:02,120
Speaker 1: work hardest.

2193
01:46:01,720 --> 01:46:05,719
Speaker 2: Fucking out the house and sacrifice everything and come home

2194
01:46:05,800 --> 01:46:11,960
Speaker 2: disgruntled and all this shit. And I think also, what

2195
01:46:12,040 --> 01:46:15,200
Speaker 2: I keep thinking emotionally is that black men that talk

2196
01:46:15,360 --> 01:46:18,679
Speaker 2: like that are looking to get something from black women

2197
01:46:19,320 --> 01:46:21,360
Speaker 2: that they can't get from the world, which is a

2198
01:46:21,360 --> 01:46:23,440
Speaker 2: submission appliancy.

2199
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Speaker 1: And I don't mean appliance, but pliancy.

2200
01:46:27,160 --> 01:46:29,600
Speaker 2: They're looking to get that. And I'm telling you it

2201
01:46:29,680 --> 01:46:31,280
Speaker 2: won't replace anything.

2202
01:46:31,320 --> 01:46:32,440
Speaker 1: It won't matter.

2203
01:46:32,360 --> 01:46:34,679
Speaker 2: Because the world is still gonna be worlding out there,

2204
01:46:35,000 --> 01:46:37,320
Speaker 2: and having somebody in the house that's delusion about it

2205
01:46:37,360 --> 01:46:38,120
Speaker 2: is not helpful.

2206
01:46:38,160 --> 01:46:40,800
Speaker 1: I've always thought what was beautiful.

2207
01:46:40,320 --> 01:46:43,880
Speaker 2: About being with a black woman, about black women in

2208
01:46:43,920 --> 01:46:48,839
Speaker 2: general and black people, is that there is a shared

2209
01:46:49,240 --> 01:46:54,720
Speaker 2: experience that adds to the partnership. There's an understanding of like,

2210
01:46:54,880 --> 01:46:57,200
Speaker 2: I know what you're up against when you leave this house.

2211
01:46:57,560 --> 01:46:59,760
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that to detegrate anybody that's not

2212
01:46:59,840 --> 01:47:03,640
Speaker 2: a uh a relationship with a black woman, but just

2213
01:47:03,760 --> 01:47:06,040
Speaker 2: that to me, that's one of the appealing things is like,

2214
01:47:06,560 --> 01:47:07,720
Speaker 2: I ain't gotta explain that.

2215
01:47:08,040 --> 01:47:09,599
Speaker 1: I don't need you to believe me.

2216
01:47:11,439 --> 01:47:13,720
Speaker 2: And so, and I've just never been covetous of this

2217
01:47:13,840 --> 01:47:17,200
Speaker 2: idea of like, you know, I need a woman that

2218
01:47:17,560 --> 01:47:19,200
Speaker 2: I can run like a kid or whatever.

2219
01:47:19,280 --> 01:47:20,280
Speaker 1: So I don't.

2220
01:47:20,640 --> 01:47:23,080
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think a lot of those conversations are

2221
01:47:23,680 --> 01:47:27,439
Speaker 2: geared towards that, and they're not progressive and they're fucked up.

2222
01:47:28,120 --> 01:47:31,559
Speaker 2: And there are people, I'm sure that are living very

2223
01:47:31,560 --> 01:47:32,960
Speaker 2: patriarchal existences.

2224
01:47:34,080 --> 01:47:34,920
Speaker 1: I'm not even saying that.

2225
01:47:35,120 --> 01:47:36,960
Speaker 2: I'm not really knocking that because I still feel like

2226
01:47:36,960 --> 01:47:40,519
Speaker 2: if it's too consenting adults and y'all motherfuckers, listen, I'm

2227
01:47:40,560 --> 01:47:42,000
Speaker 2: a kept woman and he do.

2228
01:47:42,040 --> 01:47:44,200
Speaker 1: This, that and the other. Fine, I don't get fuck like.

2229
01:47:44,760 --> 01:47:47,679
Speaker 2: It's just when we start talking in generalities and giving

2230
01:47:47,720 --> 01:47:49,760
Speaker 2: advice and telling people what we need to do this,

2231
01:47:50,280 --> 01:47:52,519
Speaker 2: and concentrating on that. You need to go to therapy

2232
01:47:52,560 --> 01:47:54,160
Speaker 2: and think, why do you need that? Why you need

2233
01:47:54,160 --> 01:47:55,160
Speaker 2: a woman to submit to you?

2234
01:47:55,520 --> 01:47:57,479
Speaker 1: Right? What does that say about you? What is what

2235
01:47:57,520 --> 01:47:59,280
Speaker 1: does that? What does that say about the woman you

2236
01:47:59,320 --> 01:48:03,360
Speaker 1: would want to be with? And why is that the problem?

2237
01:48:03,439 --> 01:48:04,200
Speaker 1: They ain't submitting?

2238
01:48:04,240 --> 01:48:05,800
Speaker 2: And what are you doing to hold up your end

2239
01:48:05,800 --> 01:48:08,400
Speaker 2: of the bargain If some woman is willing to submit

2240
01:48:08,479 --> 01:48:10,840
Speaker 2: to you quote unquote, is she submitting to you and

2241
01:48:10,920 --> 01:48:12,920
Speaker 2: you taking care of every fucking thing in the house?

2242
01:48:13,160 --> 01:48:16,120
Speaker 2: Or like is that even like are you putting her

2243
01:48:16,160 --> 01:48:18,800
Speaker 2: first and foremost in all this shit? Or you just mean, like,

2244
01:48:19,200 --> 01:48:21,479
Speaker 2: don't get an attitude when you see me texting with

2245
01:48:21,520 --> 01:48:24,800
Speaker 2: some other bitch, Like what does submission mean for you

2246
01:48:24,920 --> 01:48:26,120
Speaker 2: in the first fucking place?

2247
01:48:26,439 --> 01:48:28,559
Speaker 3: Right? And also it's just one of those things where

2248
01:48:28,840 --> 01:48:31,280
Speaker 3: you know, because we're just talking in generality, but also

2249
01:48:31,320 --> 01:48:32,160
Speaker 3: it's just one of those things.

2250
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Speaker 1: That's why for a lot of people.

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01:48:33,920 --> 01:48:36,960
Speaker 3: They go into marriage with all these things happening, and

2252
01:48:37,000 --> 01:48:39,360
Speaker 3: they think something's weird or wrong, or you're the weirdo

2253
01:48:39,439 --> 01:48:41,439
Speaker 3: when you go I like my mate, I love my

2254
01:48:41,479 --> 01:48:44,000
Speaker 3: significant other, I like spending time around them. You know,

2255
01:48:44,080 --> 01:48:46,800
Speaker 3: they're not a drain on me. You know, regardless of

2256
01:48:46,800 --> 01:48:49,160
Speaker 3: how your household structure is set up. You know, people

2257
01:48:49,200 --> 01:48:51,240
Speaker 3: look at you like you're the quote unquote widdo if

2258
01:48:51,280 --> 01:48:54,439
Speaker 3: you're in this quote unquote happy marriage. The one more thing, too,

2259
01:48:54,760 --> 01:48:58,599
Speaker 3: is when you talk about losing rights as women and

2260
01:48:58,720 --> 01:49:02,320
Speaker 3: how back in the day, Well, the difference really is

2261
01:49:02,360 --> 01:49:06,080
Speaker 3: that back in the day women gained rights when they

2262
01:49:06,200 --> 01:49:09,680
Speaker 3: gained a husband. Yes, so a woman could not have

2263
01:49:09,760 --> 01:49:12,920
Speaker 3: a bank account, a credit card, could not own property,

2264
01:49:13,640 --> 01:49:17,519
Speaker 3: so yeah, so you had could you know, couldn't vote.

2265
01:49:17,880 --> 01:49:20,960
Speaker 3: So in order to be empowered, they were forced to

2266
01:49:21,120 --> 01:49:24,400
Speaker 3: need a husband to be empowered as a human being

2267
01:49:25,040 --> 01:49:29,599
Speaker 3: in this world. And so, of course progress society has

2268
01:49:29,680 --> 01:49:30,320
Speaker 3: changed women.

2269
01:49:30,640 --> 01:49:33,920
Speaker 2: Even though they make less than men on the dollar.

2270
01:49:34,400 --> 01:49:37,240
Speaker 2: Still now they have the option of not being burdened

2271
01:49:37,240 --> 01:49:40,559
Speaker 2: with a man, to have the rights that will at

2272
01:49:40,640 --> 01:49:41,439
Speaker 2: least allow them.

2273
01:49:41,320 --> 01:49:43,759
Speaker 1: To exist as a free human being to a certain extent.

2274
01:49:44,479 --> 01:49:49,160
Speaker 2: And now the proposition of marriage is no longer about

2275
01:49:49,200 --> 01:49:52,240
Speaker 2: a well, it's either this or die a twenty six

2276
01:49:52,360 --> 01:49:55,240
Speaker 2: year old old maid. Right, So now you got women

2277
01:49:55,280 --> 01:49:57,120
Speaker 2: out here like, why the fuck do I want to

2278
01:49:57,160 --> 01:49:58,320
Speaker 2: take care of another person?

2279
01:49:58,600 --> 01:50:00,559
Speaker 1: Why the fuck do I want to split bills?

2280
01:50:00,600 --> 01:50:02,280
Speaker 2: Why the fuck do I want to take on debt,

2281
01:50:02,479 --> 01:50:04,440
Speaker 2: Why the fuck do I want to deal with infidelity?

2282
01:50:04,439 --> 01:50:07,439
Speaker 2: Why the fuck do I want to deal with having

2283
01:50:07,439 --> 01:50:09,240
Speaker 2: a kid if I don't want to have a kid yet.

2284
01:50:09,720 --> 01:50:11,479
Speaker 2: So you got a lot of people that's like, yeah,

2285
01:50:11,479 --> 01:50:14,040
Speaker 2: I'm good on that shit. I don't and not to mention,

2286
01:50:14,240 --> 01:50:18,320
Speaker 2: most importantly, the financial realities of what we're going through

2287
01:50:18,320 --> 01:50:23,280
Speaker 2: with higher debt, higher like higher cost on, higher cost

2288
01:50:23,439 --> 01:50:29,000
Speaker 2: on buying houses, higher renting charges. People are now making

2289
01:50:29,040 --> 01:50:32,000
Speaker 2: this city like people are now priced out of marriage,

2290
01:50:32,120 --> 01:50:34,280
Speaker 2: you're priced out of a home, you're priced out of

2291
01:50:34,280 --> 01:50:36,120
Speaker 2: that two point five kids in a picking fence.

2292
01:50:36,200 --> 01:50:38,479
Speaker 1: So you got you got a lot of this stuff

2293
01:50:38,520 --> 01:50:39,000
Speaker 1: that we're.

2294
01:50:38,800 --> 01:50:42,360
Speaker 2: Talking about emotionally, like it's a relationship issue. But a

2295
01:50:42,400 --> 01:50:44,840
Speaker 2: lot of these men couldn't even afford to be in

2296
01:50:44,880 --> 01:50:48,000
Speaker 2: a relationship. A lot of women couldn't don't want to

2297
01:50:48,040 --> 01:50:50,640
Speaker 2: take the risk of financially being in a relationship.

2298
01:50:50,920 --> 01:50:53,000
Speaker 1: It's not leading to partnership, like, man.

2299
01:50:52,840 --> 01:50:54,720
Speaker 2: We need this tax break. It's leading to people going,

2300
01:50:55,000 --> 01:50:56,960
Speaker 2: I need to be a little more choosy. I can't

2301
01:50:56,960 --> 01:51:01,240
Speaker 2: afford forty thousand dollars a way that I can't affraid.

2302
01:51:01,880 --> 01:51:04,960
Speaker 2: I can't afford to get into a house where some

2303
01:51:05,000 --> 01:51:06,839
Speaker 2: motherfucker I might not like him six months.

2304
01:51:07,000 --> 01:51:11,040
Speaker 1: So you got people making completely different calculus. Read the

2305
01:51:11,080 --> 01:51:11,960
Speaker 1: book or not.

2306
01:51:12,120 --> 01:51:13,920
Speaker 2: I mean, if you want to read the book, poorly

2307
01:51:14,000 --> 01:51:18,320
Speaker 2: understood that it is about poverty in the miss around it.

2308
01:51:18,560 --> 01:51:21,080
Speaker 2: There's a lot of stuff in there that is about

2309
01:51:21,120 --> 01:51:24,479
Speaker 2: like the marriage myth of if you get married and

2310
01:51:24,520 --> 01:51:27,439
Speaker 2: you have kids, you'll be out of debt, and it's like, no,

2311
01:51:27,600 --> 01:51:29,800
Speaker 2: you won't. And actually it's getting harder to do that

2312
01:51:30,000 --> 01:51:32,599
Speaker 2: because of how much society has changed.

2313
01:51:33,680 --> 01:51:35,320
Speaker 1: All Right, I've messed up.

2314
01:51:35,560 --> 01:51:37,160
Speaker 2: We need to get back to the last episode of

2315
01:51:37,160 --> 01:51:39,599
Speaker 2: the week, Get the fuck out of your own way. Well,

2316
01:51:39,600 --> 01:51:43,080
Speaker 2: we had MJ. Harrison interview him for an hour. Amazing guest,

2317
01:51:43,520 --> 01:51:47,800
Speaker 2: amazing fun time. Shoe Booty says so much genuine wisdom

2318
01:51:47,840 --> 01:51:50,040
Speaker 2: from m J. Harris loved this guest and this episode.

2319
01:51:50,040 --> 01:51:52,400
Speaker 2: Stop being a people pleaser at such a light bulb moment.

2320
01:51:52,680 --> 01:51:54,400
Speaker 2: I didn't even realize that I was like that for

2321
01:51:54,439 --> 01:51:58,439
Speaker 2: so long. I'm prior to prioritizing my wish is more

2322
01:51:58,439 --> 01:52:00,360
Speaker 2: and more each day and letting go of the guilt

2323
01:52:00,400 --> 01:52:04,920
Speaker 2: that came along with that. Ramsey Djinga says, I'm listening

2324
01:52:04,960 --> 01:52:07,400
Speaker 2: and watching that work on Thursday. I loved this episode. Wisdom,

2325
01:52:07,479 --> 01:52:11,760
Speaker 2: laughter and Blackness file stars, hashtag telling stories, hashtag advice, hashtag.

2326
01:52:11,360 --> 01:52:12,880
Speaker 1: Wisdom has tag funny. Thank you.

2327
01:52:12,920 --> 01:52:15,120
Speaker 2: Sim Simmons says MJ was a great guest, even at

2328
01:52:15,120 --> 01:52:18,280
Speaker 2: five am. Right, So glad you were able to squeeze

2329
01:52:18,320 --> 01:52:20,759
Speaker 2: in gender Wars segment with him. Y'all are so great

2330
01:52:20,600 --> 01:52:22,840
Speaker 2: at engaging guests. Episode barely felt like an hour.

2331
01:52:22,960 --> 01:52:24,960
Speaker 1: Thank you, it did. It had a great time, and

2332
01:52:25,160 --> 01:52:25,800
Speaker 1: says Rod.

2333
01:52:26,200 --> 01:52:29,559
Speaker 2: Have you heard of noster n o str It's a

2334
01:52:29,600 --> 01:52:31,320
Speaker 2: non corporate version of social media.

2335
01:52:31,400 --> 01:52:33,640
Speaker 1: If you have it, what do you think about it?

2336
01:52:33,680 --> 01:52:36,800
Speaker 2: The vibes come different compared to the well known platforms.

2337
01:52:37,360 --> 01:52:39,479
Speaker 1: No, I haven't heard of it, and I haven't used it.

2338
01:52:39,560 --> 01:52:42,240
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, so I don't really have any thoughts on

2339
01:52:42,280 --> 01:52:46,160
Speaker 2: it other than all the platforms are dope until people

2340
01:52:46,200 --> 01:52:46,720
Speaker 2: get on them.

2341
01:52:47,000 --> 01:52:48,280
Speaker 1: That's just how it goes. Yep.

2342
01:52:48,960 --> 01:52:51,599
Speaker 2: So like the more popular, Once it gets popular, that's

2343
01:52:51,600 --> 01:52:54,360
Speaker 2: when the assholes come. Same thing happened with a clubhouse.

2344
01:52:54,400 --> 01:52:57,599
Speaker 2: Clubhouse was dope for a couple of weeks or whatever,

2345
01:52:57,640 --> 01:53:00,160
Speaker 2: however long then they open it up to everybody. And

2346
01:52:59,840 --> 01:53:01,880
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to sound like an elitist. I just

2347
01:53:01,920 --> 01:53:06,840
Speaker 2: think less people is easier to It's more like the

2348
01:53:06,920 --> 01:53:09,560
Speaker 2: original social media, more in depth.

2349
01:53:09,600 --> 01:53:11,120
Speaker 1: More honesty, blah blah blah.

2350
01:53:12,439 --> 01:53:14,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, once it's open everybody, you get a certain type

2351
01:53:14,680 --> 01:53:17,040
Speaker 2: of influencer, a certain type of person that comes there,

2352
01:53:18,400 --> 01:53:20,680
Speaker 2: and you also end up with trolls there, stuff that

2353
01:53:20,720 --> 01:53:23,840
Speaker 2: weren't getting in at first because it was all like, oh,

2354
01:53:24,080 --> 01:53:25,760
Speaker 2: you got to know a person to get in. It's

2355
01:53:25,800 --> 01:53:28,439
Speaker 2: just like anything else, and no social media is ever

2356
01:53:28,479 --> 01:53:33,280
Speaker 2: gonna defeat the problem, which is people, right, that's probably

2357
01:53:33,280 --> 01:53:36,040
Speaker 2: people eve, He says, great guests. I'll definitely check out

2358
01:53:36,120 --> 01:53:38,679
Speaker 2: MJ's book. That gender wars is one I've been seeing

2359
01:53:38,680 --> 01:53:40,639
Speaker 2: all over social media. I think it's wild to expect

2360
01:53:40,640 --> 01:53:43,000
Speaker 2: someone who hasn't already agreed to treat you to pay

2361
01:53:43,240 --> 01:53:44,840
Speaker 2: for your meal, especially in a large group.

2362
01:53:45,000 --> 01:53:46,360
Speaker 1: I've been in a situation.

2363
01:53:46,000 --> 01:53:47,680
Speaker 2: Where I went out in a group and everyone was

2364
01:53:47,880 --> 01:53:50,960
Speaker 2: ordering normally, and one person ordered three drinks, two advertisers

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01:53:51,000 --> 01:53:52,799
Speaker 2: and they didn't share, and one of the most expensive

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01:53:52,840 --> 01:53:56,240
Speaker 2: items on the menu and dessert. When the check comes,

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01:53:56,280 --> 01:53:57,880
Speaker 2: she was the main person who wanted to split the

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01:53:57,880 --> 01:54:00,400
Speaker 2: bill evenly. We all got separate checks because the math

2369
01:54:00,520 --> 01:54:02,080
Speaker 2: was a math, and because her bill alone was a

2370
01:54:02,080 --> 01:54:04,599
Speaker 2: couple hundred dollars, so she didn't have it. Uh, she

2371
01:54:04,640 --> 01:54:06,280
Speaker 2: expected all of us to chip in and help her

2372
01:54:06,280 --> 01:54:08,160
Speaker 2: pay her bill. I don't remember what is that ended

2373
01:54:08,240 --> 01:54:10,120
Speaker 2: up happening, but I paid my own check and left.

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01:54:10,320 --> 01:54:13,760
Speaker 1: If people have nothing else, they will always have the audacity. Right. Damn,

2375
01:54:13,760 --> 01:54:16,040
Speaker 1: that's a nightmare story. I can't believe somebody tried that shit.

2376
01:54:16,120 --> 01:54:21,280
Speaker 1: That's crazy. Wow wow, Right people exist like that apparently.

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01:54:21,960 --> 01:54:23,439
Speaker 2: Like I said, I leave the house, I always got

2378
01:54:23,560 --> 01:54:26,040
Speaker 2: enough for me for shure me and whoever like me

2379
01:54:26,120 --> 01:54:30,799
Speaker 2: and Karen, I got us for sure. Seata on Twitter

2380
01:54:31,160 --> 01:54:33,400
Speaker 2: Sayita says, I can't wait to get this book, and

2381
01:54:33,440 --> 01:54:35,360
Speaker 2: my mom says, I love him. He is such a funny,

2382
01:54:35,400 --> 01:54:38,360
Speaker 2: authentic person. I enjoyed the show, Thank you, mom.

2383
01:54:38,680 --> 01:54:38,960
Speaker 1: Uh.

2384
01:54:39,000 --> 01:54:47,200
Speaker 2: And then let's check the interactions on.

2385
01:54:44,720 --> 01:54:48,160
Speaker 1: On uh Spotify. Oh yeah, okay, so we got the

2386
01:54:48,200 --> 01:54:48,920
Speaker 1: poll first.

2387
01:54:49,960 --> 01:54:52,840
Speaker 2: The poll was, have you ever lived outside of the

2388
01:54:52,840 --> 01:54:56,520
Speaker 2: country you were born in? Thirty three percent yes, sixty

2389
01:54:56,560 --> 01:54:58,800
Speaker 2: seven percent No. That's still pretty odd.

2390
01:54:58,880 --> 01:55:02,720
Speaker 3: I think most Americans for most Americans, no, because most

2391
01:55:02,720 --> 01:55:05,480
Speaker 3: Americans only have past puts to actually even leave outside

2392
01:55:05,520 --> 01:55:06,560
Speaker 3: of the country.

2393
01:55:06,800 --> 01:55:09,040
Speaker 2: Well more than people that just live in America listen

2394
01:55:09,080 --> 01:55:12,120
Speaker 2: to us, So it's I thought that was pretty pretty

2395
01:55:12,120 --> 01:55:15,640
Speaker 2: cool Spotify twenty four percent, yes, seventy five percent now

2396
01:55:16,240 --> 01:55:18,480
Speaker 2: still majority know for both and then the Q and A.

2397
01:55:19,480 --> 01:55:23,760
Speaker 2: Thanks for listening, and Nasio says MJ is here in Bangkok.

2398
01:55:23,880 --> 01:55:26,440
Speaker 2: Welcome brother, been here for seventeen years and a fan

2399
01:55:26,480 --> 01:55:28,560
Speaker 2: of his wonderful podcast twelve plus years now.

2400
01:55:28,560 --> 01:55:30,000
Speaker 1: Shout out to Ride of Care and I'm keeping your

2401
01:55:30,080 --> 01:55:32,600
Speaker 1: numbers up here, fam, Thank you, Thank you. Baby.

2402
01:55:32,720 --> 01:55:35,160
Speaker 2: Aaron says, Oh my god, I just had a dream

2403
01:55:35,160 --> 01:55:37,440
Speaker 2: where I had to write an argumentative paper on why

2404
01:55:37,440 --> 01:55:39,520
Speaker 2: I thought gender wars were pointless and I used all

2405
01:55:39,560 --> 01:55:43,200
Speaker 2: as a source. Looks good for you, Eric, We appreciate

2406
01:55:43,280 --> 01:55:45,160
Speaker 2: your dreams. Okay, we're just trying to help them.

2407
01:55:46,240 --> 01:55:48,280
Speaker 1: Help you figure it out. If you write that dissertation

2408
01:55:48,360 --> 01:55:50,000
Speaker 1: of your dreams, the dream dissertation.

2409
01:55:51,040 --> 01:56:27,560
Speaker 2: All right, last segment emails, all right, emails. Chasseelle wrote

2410
01:56:27,600 --> 01:56:30,000
Speaker 2: in to say that most my boys have a solid mode.

2411
01:56:30,040 --> 01:56:33,840
Speaker 2: Thank you, Jesse wrote in, and I made this the

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01:56:33,920 --> 01:56:37,560
Speaker 2: show art, but Jesse says, thank you.

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01:56:37,600 --> 01:56:39,040
Speaker 1: Illustrations, Hi, Rod and Karen.

2414
01:56:39,080 --> 01:56:40,920
Speaker 2: I've been a lawyer listener to the Black Autists for

2415
01:56:40,960 --> 01:56:44,040
Speaker 2: eight years now. As an artist and illustrator, I wanted

2416
01:56:44,040 --> 01:56:47,000
Speaker 2: to show my gratitude by creating emoji illustrations for both

2417
01:56:47,040 --> 01:56:49,680
Speaker 2: of you. Your podcast has been a source of comfort

2418
01:56:49,720 --> 01:56:52,880
Speaker 2: and inspiration for me during tough times. Care You often

2419
01:56:52,960 --> 01:56:55,640
Speaker 2: encourage people with talent to share their work with the world. Yes,

2420
01:56:55,920 --> 01:56:57,920
Speaker 2: and that's why I've been what I've been doing lately.

2421
01:56:57,960 --> 01:57:01,200
Speaker 2: I made a few versions in different formats. Hope you

2422
01:57:01,280 --> 01:57:05,680
Speaker 2: enjoyed the illustrations. And I don't know why it's not

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01:57:05,720 --> 01:57:07,760
Speaker 2: on this email, but oh Jesse.

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01:57:07,920 --> 01:57:08,120
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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01:57:08,200 --> 01:57:15,080
Speaker 2: Jesse's website is six two three productions dot com.

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01:57:15,240 --> 01:57:16,440
Speaker 1: So thank you, Jesse.

2427
01:57:17,200 --> 01:57:19,720
Speaker 2: And I'll see if I can pull up the illustrations

2428
01:57:19,760 --> 01:57:23,760
Speaker 2: for us to look at here. I know they were

2429
01:57:23,880 --> 01:57:28,400
Speaker 2: zip files, but I think I can show them to people. Okay,

2430
01:57:28,720 --> 01:57:30,360
Speaker 2: all right, so I think I can show them let

2431
01:57:30,440 --> 01:57:31,600
Speaker 2: me see if I can put it on.

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01:57:31,560 --> 01:57:33,400
Speaker 1: The screen for everybody.

2433
01:57:33,840 --> 01:57:37,720
Speaker 2: Okay, I thought these were so cool. So that's Jesse's

2434
01:57:37,720 --> 01:57:42,200
Speaker 2: website and there's drawing of Jesse.

2435
01:57:44,600 --> 01:57:48,040
Speaker 1: And then uh, this is the art.

2436
01:57:48,120 --> 01:57:50,520
Speaker 2: Let me see if it'll come up. It just just

2437
01:57:50,640 --> 01:57:55,920
Speaker 2: copy foul name what No, show me the damn picture? Okay,

2438
01:57:55,960 --> 01:57:57,960
Speaker 2: So all right, that's not gonna work. All right, well,

2439
01:57:58,000 --> 01:57:58,800
Speaker 2: look that's another way.

2440
01:57:58,840 --> 01:58:00,680
Speaker 1: I'm sure. Give me a second, I'll pull it up.

2441
01:58:01,480 --> 01:58:03,000
Speaker 1: It's not cooperate with you.

2442
01:58:03,080 --> 01:58:06,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is just uh, this is the boom boom.

2443
01:58:07,000 --> 01:58:11,600
Speaker 2: I think if I do it going the route, yeah.

2444
01:58:11,520 --> 01:58:15,800
Speaker 1: I think. Let's see.

2445
01:58:16,400 --> 01:58:20,400
Speaker 2: Okay, so I put in a folder. Okay, all right,

2446
01:58:20,560 --> 01:58:22,720
Speaker 2: let me see if it'll. Let me show y'all what's

2447
01:58:22,800 --> 01:58:24,680
Speaker 2: in a folder.

2448
01:58:25,240 --> 01:58:26,800
Speaker 1: Oh wait, I know what I do. Okay, I know.

2449
01:58:27,000 --> 01:58:29,920
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, guys, are you good? I think I can

2450
01:58:30,040 --> 01:58:32,520
Speaker 1: my podcast of y'all. I think I could share.

2451
01:58:32,360 --> 01:58:38,920
Speaker 2: It this way, okay, uh boom photos boom.

2452
01:58:39,160 --> 01:58:39,600
Speaker 1: Okay.

2453
01:58:39,720 --> 01:58:49,000
Speaker 2: So that's cares emoji like Macaulay cocaine, and there's different

2454
01:58:49,080 --> 01:58:52,480
Speaker 2: versions of it, and then mine is me going hmm

2455
01:58:52,480 --> 01:58:55,680
Speaker 2: with my glad going at any rate. So I'm very

2456
01:58:55,720 --> 01:58:58,320
Speaker 2: thoughtful and I do say stuff like that a lot,

2457
01:58:58,520 --> 01:59:02,280
Speaker 2: so I think about that. The other day I was like,

2458
01:59:02,320 --> 01:59:06,480
Speaker 2: what would my catchphrases be? So, yeah, we can put

2459
01:59:06,480 --> 01:59:08,919
Speaker 2: these on some T shirts. I got permission from Jesse's

2460
01:59:08,960 --> 01:59:10,840
Speaker 2: like you might use the show art, put it in

2461
01:59:10,840 --> 01:59:12,760
Speaker 2: our store and stuff like that.

2462
01:59:12,800 --> 01:59:15,640
Speaker 1: People get them on mugs or whatever. And I know

2463
01:59:15,680 --> 01:59:20,360
Speaker 1: people love that. Oh no, so we'll definitely do that.

2464
01:59:20,480 --> 01:59:24,000
Speaker 1: And thank you so much. Jesse. Very talented and we

2465
01:59:24,040 --> 01:59:24,720
Speaker 1: appreciate you.

2466
01:59:24,920 --> 01:59:29,160
Speaker 2: And it's six two three productions dot com. You know, look, man,

2467
01:59:29,240 --> 01:59:31,200
Speaker 2: we have a lot of talented people that listen to

2468
01:59:31,240 --> 01:59:35,400
Speaker 2: the show that spread love and a lot of times

2469
01:59:35,520 --> 01:59:38,720
Speaker 2: the beats we get, the arts, the art that we get,

2470
01:59:39,800 --> 01:59:41,760
Speaker 2: all that type of stuff is straight from y'all. So

2471
01:59:41,800 --> 01:59:44,520
Speaker 2: thank you, Thank you. Jeff Wright said, wuld love to

2472
01:59:44,560 --> 01:59:46,720
Speaker 2: hear you guys banter on this. Hi, Rod and Karen

2473
01:59:46,960 --> 01:59:49,720
Speaker 2: as always loved what you do. Just wonder what you

2474
01:59:49,800 --> 01:59:52,760
Speaker 2: think of this laughable piece that just popped up on

2475
01:59:52,880 --> 01:59:59,760
Speaker 2: Yahoo and it's how misconduct allegations against Fanny Willis could impact.

2476
01:59:59,480 --> 02:00:03,080
Speaker 1: Their prosecut of Trump. I haven't followed this that closely.

2477
02:00:03,280 --> 02:00:06,040
Speaker 2: I know I'm basically gonna listen to what sisters in

2478
02:00:06,120 --> 02:00:07,920
Speaker 2: law say about it, and I think I'm a week

2479
02:00:07,960 --> 02:00:14,200
Speaker 2: behind on sisters in law, But uh, it might be sloppy,

2480
02:00:14,280 --> 02:00:17,640
Speaker 2: but it doesn't seem like it's illegal or has any

2481
02:00:17,680 --> 02:00:19,000
Speaker 2: effect on the prosecution.

2482
02:00:19,880 --> 02:00:22,360
Speaker 1: If she did indeed fuck this nigga.

2483
02:00:22,400 --> 02:00:24,880
Speaker 2: And I've seen people say like this a fine ass dude,

2484
02:00:24,880 --> 02:00:27,000
Speaker 2: blah blah blah. You know, it's a bunch of like

2485
02:00:27,080 --> 02:00:29,240
Speaker 2: I let him fuck or whatever. I'm like, that kind

2486
02:00:29,240 --> 02:00:32,320
Speaker 2: of don't have nothing to do with this. But unless

2487
02:00:32,320 --> 02:00:35,200
Speaker 2: it's going to jeopardize the case against Trump, which I

2488
02:00:35,200 --> 02:00:40,320
Speaker 2: don't know that it's been proven that it would, I

2489
02:00:40,360 --> 02:00:42,560
Speaker 2: don't see what I mean. Maybe I'm missing something and

2490
02:00:42,600 --> 02:00:46,280
Speaker 2: there's just like another big thing out there that I

2491
02:00:46,320 --> 02:00:48,760
Speaker 2: don't know about. But it seems like one of the

2492
02:00:48,800 --> 02:00:50,760
Speaker 2: Republican defenders is kind of just throwing shit at the

2493
02:00:50,800 --> 02:00:52,240
Speaker 2: wild hoping something sticks right.

2494
02:00:52,480 --> 02:00:55,120
Speaker 1: And it's just like, well, maybe she was fucking this dude,

2495
02:00:55,160 --> 02:00:56,120
Speaker 1: Like that's kind of the thing.

2496
02:00:56,200 --> 02:00:56,360
Speaker 5: Now.

2497
02:00:56,440 --> 02:00:58,480
Speaker 2: Look, she did go to like she was in a

2498
02:00:58,560 --> 02:01:04,360
Speaker 2: church or something testifying talking and she was I saw

2499
02:01:04,360 --> 02:01:07,320
Speaker 2: the video of her talking about it, and that was

2500
02:01:07,360 --> 02:01:11,280
Speaker 2: funny to me because she didn't say she didn't.

2501
02:01:11,040 --> 02:01:15,800
Speaker 1: Fuck this dude, I'm sorry.

2502
02:01:15,960 --> 02:01:17,840
Speaker 2: Well, that shit was so funny because it was like

2503
02:01:17,880 --> 02:01:20,840
Speaker 2: she talked about everything, but she's like getting they are

2504
02:01:20,920 --> 02:01:27,800
Speaker 2: attacking people who are qualified, And I was like, I mean,

2505
02:01:27,840 --> 02:01:31,080
Speaker 2: if you didn't, I mean, winn't the easiest way to

2506
02:01:31,080 --> 02:01:33,919
Speaker 2: squash it, just to be like, hey, we didn't smash

2507
02:01:34,200 --> 02:01:35,880
Speaker 2: we weren't romantically evolved.

2508
02:01:36,200 --> 02:01:37,640
Speaker 1: I don't know what the fuck y'all talking about.

2509
02:01:38,520 --> 02:01:40,840
Speaker 2: But if you did, and you don't want to lie

2510
02:01:41,040 --> 02:01:43,040
Speaker 2: on record and fuck up the whole case, do you,

2511
02:01:43,480 --> 02:01:47,360
Speaker 2: I would just be out there like he's a good man, Savannah.

2512
02:01:46,840 --> 02:01:51,640
Speaker 1: Like I also wouldn't fuck up the case by Lyne,

2513
02:01:51,800 --> 02:01:51,960
Speaker 1: you know.

2514
02:01:52,680 --> 02:01:56,480
Speaker 2: So she described him as a superstar with impeccable credentials

2515
02:01:56,800 --> 02:01:59,600
Speaker 2: who served as a judge, private atorney prosecutor, criminal defense lawyer,

2516
02:01:59,640 --> 02:02:03,200
Speaker 2: special storney general, before implying that his allegations was the

2517
02:02:03,320 --> 02:02:06,640
Speaker 2: Romans allegations were fueled by racism. I'm just asking God,

2518
02:02:06,840 --> 02:02:08,960
Speaker 2: is it that some will never see a black man

2519
02:02:09,000 --> 02:02:10,680
Speaker 2: as qualified, No matter's achievements.

2520
02:02:10,880 --> 02:02:12,080
Speaker 1: What more can one achieve?

2521
02:02:12,200 --> 02:02:14,640
Speaker 2: I appointed three special counsels this it's my right to do,

2522
02:02:15,000 --> 02:02:16,480
Speaker 2: paid them all the same hourly rate.

2523
02:02:16,560 --> 02:02:17,640
Speaker 1: They only attacked one.

2524
02:02:19,000 --> 02:02:21,400
Speaker 2: So she said, they're trying to create a conspiracy where

2525
02:02:21,400 --> 02:02:23,440
Speaker 2: none exists, and I do think that's what's happening.

2526
02:02:24,000 --> 02:02:26,040
Speaker 1: But yeah, I.

2527
02:02:25,960 --> 02:02:27,560
Speaker 2: Don't know if she fucked him or not. I don't

2528
02:02:27,640 --> 02:02:30,920
Speaker 2: know what Barry even have on the case. Right Personally,

2529
02:02:30,960 --> 02:02:33,400
Speaker 2: I think this is the usual sensational bs on Trump's

2530
02:02:33,400 --> 02:02:33,960
Speaker 2: aide part.

2531
02:02:34,120 --> 02:02:36,120
Speaker 1: Keep doing the great things you too do it really

2532
02:02:36,120 --> 02:02:37,280
Speaker 1: means a lot of respect.

2533
02:02:37,640 --> 02:02:39,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I said, the only thing was when she

2534
02:02:39,680 --> 02:02:43,000
Speaker 2: ate that talking, she did't say she didn't wasn't romantically

2535
02:02:43,000 --> 02:02:43,720
Speaker 2: involved that guy.

2536
02:02:43,760 --> 02:02:43,920
Speaker 1: Ever.

2537
02:02:44,000 --> 02:02:48,240
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, kind of was hoping she just

2538
02:02:48,240 --> 02:02:49,840
Speaker 2: comes to the podium and be like, I did not

2539
02:02:50,720 --> 02:02:53,360
Speaker 2: fuck that man. Y'all need to stop with these lines.

2540
02:02:53,400 --> 02:02:56,080
Speaker 2: But she was like, listen, he's a good man. Okay,

2541
02:02:56,120 --> 02:02:57,320
Speaker 2: y'all need to leave him alone.

2542
02:02:57,400 --> 02:03:00,880
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, all right, well shit happened.

2543
02:03:01,040 --> 02:03:04,480
Speaker 2: Yes they have Okay, uh maybe you know, maybe he's

2544
02:03:04,480 --> 02:03:06,960
Speaker 2: a good brother and and it's not that many good

2545
02:03:06,960 --> 02:03:07,520
Speaker 2: brothers out there.

2546
02:03:07,520 --> 02:03:08,680
Speaker 1: I don't know.

2547
02:03:09,960 --> 02:03:13,240
Speaker 2: Uh, so let's say our right a, Karen, I hope

2548
02:03:13,280 --> 02:03:15,440
Speaker 2: you both the well, Karen. I love doing the smoothies

2549
02:03:15,520 --> 02:03:17,120
Speaker 2: till it's a little harder in the winter, but I

2550
02:03:17,160 --> 02:03:19,800
Speaker 2: still try to get in like after a workout. Have

2551
02:03:19,920 --> 02:03:22,840
Speaker 2: you experimented with different protein powders. Have you ever done

2552
02:03:22,840 --> 02:03:25,640
Speaker 2: a full juice cleanse? I haven't yet, but hearing you

2553
02:03:25,680 --> 02:03:27,600
Speaker 2: talk about doing the prep ahead of time makes me

2554
02:03:27,640 --> 02:03:29,760
Speaker 2: consider doing that just to be prepared.

2555
02:03:29,840 --> 02:03:32,800
Speaker 1: You know, I haven't done a juice clean yet.

2556
02:03:32,840 --> 02:03:35,120
Speaker 3: That's something that I've also kind of been, you know,

2557
02:03:35,200 --> 02:03:37,360
Speaker 3: thinking about, you know, kind of getting into and kind

2558
02:03:37,360 --> 02:03:39,280
Speaker 3: of get any more of that stuff and your system.

2559
02:03:39,320 --> 02:03:41,640
Speaker 3: You know, buller build boushe energy and out that type

2560
02:03:41,640 --> 02:03:45,240
Speaker 3: of stuff. I made Roger one this morning. I didn't

2561
02:03:45,240 --> 02:03:47,760
Speaker 3: make his as strong as I made mine. I make

2562
02:03:47,840 --> 02:03:51,040
Speaker 3: mine because I like mind a little stronger quote unquote,

2563
02:03:51,080 --> 02:03:54,200
Speaker 3: like more apple, cider, vinegar and things like that. But yeah,

2564
02:03:54,240 --> 02:03:56,000
Speaker 3: I just want to get used to it and get

2565
02:03:56,040 --> 02:03:58,720
Speaker 3: things in my system and things like that. But the

2566
02:03:58,840 --> 02:04:02,040
Speaker 3: prepping ahead of time, I actually says a lot of time.

2567
02:04:02,640 --> 02:04:04,920
Speaker 3: Just freeze that shit and if you got a juiceer,

2568
02:04:05,040 --> 02:04:06,680
Speaker 3: but you don't have to juice, you could just get

2569
02:04:06,680 --> 02:04:10,720
Speaker 3: you a real good blender and blend that shit up.

2570
02:04:11,120 --> 02:04:13,360
Speaker 2: And I could take it strong. I actually prefer a

2571
02:04:13,360 --> 02:04:14,560
Speaker 2: little more apple side of raiding.

2572
02:04:14,640 --> 02:04:18,000
Speaker 1: Girl. I wasn't gonna say nothing I just thought you drinking.

2573
02:04:17,800 --> 02:04:20,600
Speaker 2: Week Okay, okay, get strong in that stuff, like a

2574
02:04:20,600 --> 02:04:21,560
Speaker 2: little hair on my chest.

2575
02:04:21,560 --> 02:04:23,480
Speaker 1: Sometimes I just drink a straight up shot of the

2576
02:04:23,480 --> 02:04:27,920
Speaker 1: apple side of vinegar. You know. Just woo, Karen, go ahead,

2577
02:04:28,040 --> 02:04:29,280
Speaker 1: go hard, Karen.

2578
02:04:29,320 --> 02:04:32,000
Speaker 2: Not sure if you know about the Black Girls Run Club.

2579
02:04:32,320 --> 02:04:35,080
Speaker 2: Black Girls Run an organization that two black women started

2580
02:04:35,360 --> 02:04:37,840
Speaker 2: to focus on health and movement and connection for us.

2581
02:04:38,040 --> 02:04:40,400
Speaker 2: There are chapters all over and all levels of fitness.

2582
02:04:40,400 --> 02:04:43,000
Speaker 2: I joined locally in twenty thirteen when I was trying

2583
02:04:43,000 --> 02:04:44,680
Speaker 2: to get a personal goal of running a five k.

2584
02:04:45,000 --> 02:04:47,480
Speaker 2: The sisterhood and support has been great and fast forward

2585
02:04:47,520 --> 02:04:50,640
Speaker 2: to now I've done half marathons, ten millars and ten

2586
02:04:50,720 --> 02:04:53,920
Speaker 2: k's and more. I wanted to say I appreciate this episode.

2587
02:04:53,960 --> 02:04:56,120
Speaker 2: How you both really again broke down the stakes at

2588
02:04:56,120 --> 02:04:59,000
Speaker 2: the moment where I think, what also may be impacting

2589
02:04:59,000 --> 02:05:02,640
Speaker 2: the feelings make it fat situation is how psychological health

2590
02:05:02,680 --> 02:05:05,640
Speaker 2: and perception of the history the overt ways that what

2591
02:05:05,680 --> 02:05:09,280
Speaker 2: white supremacy is seeking to suppress, true history is happening,

2592
02:05:09,320 --> 02:05:11,880
Speaker 2: and truth be told, it already happened for many of us.

2593
02:05:12,080 --> 02:05:14,560
Speaker 2: That's why some younger people seem so disconnected from the

2594
02:05:14,600 --> 02:05:18,200
Speaker 2: impact of the recent past, even if the elders in

2595
02:05:18,240 --> 02:05:20,560
Speaker 2: their family, even from the elders of their family. When

2596
02:05:20,600 --> 02:05:23,600
Speaker 2: I was going to school, textbooks gave that two paragraphs

2597
02:05:23,600 --> 02:05:24,400
Speaker 2: of slavery the.

2598
02:05:24,560 --> 02:05:26,080
Speaker 1: MLK, and that was it.

2599
02:05:26,080 --> 02:05:28,040
Speaker 2: It was my family and community that took over the

2600
02:05:28,160 --> 02:05:31,000
Speaker 2: education of what really happened, even telling some painful things.

2601
02:05:31,040 --> 02:05:31,920
Speaker 1: I was very blessed.

2602
02:05:32,080 --> 02:05:34,320
Speaker 3: Agreed same here, Yeah, because a lot of people like

2603
02:05:34,400 --> 02:05:37,000
Speaker 3: me didn't go through that. And not trying to be funny,

2604
02:05:37,080 --> 02:05:41,720
Speaker 3: sometimes it's very it could be very frustrating interacting with

2605
02:05:42,080 --> 02:05:45,720
Speaker 3: black people that have now and they might not consider

2606
02:05:45,800 --> 02:05:48,920
Speaker 3: this a privilege, but they had the privilege of black

2607
02:05:48,960 --> 02:05:49,840
Speaker 3: folks around them.

2608
02:05:49,840 --> 02:05:52,200
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna tell you, they got their books.

2609
02:05:52,480 --> 02:05:56,040
Speaker 3: That's a privilege to kind of have somebody that's like, hey, dog,

2610
02:05:56,200 --> 02:05:58,040
Speaker 3: what we're not gonna do is lose his history.

2611
02:05:58,320 --> 02:06:00,800
Speaker 1: Here books, here's the truth. Let me tell you about

2612
02:06:00,800 --> 02:06:02,360
Speaker 1: these white folks. Let me tell you how fucked up

2613
02:06:02,360 --> 02:06:04,880
Speaker 1: it is. You not gonna back out that blind And

2614
02:06:06,320 --> 02:06:06,600
Speaker 1: like I.

2615
02:06:06,520 --> 02:06:09,360
Speaker 3: Said, maybe it's my internal insecurities, but it's one of

2616
02:06:09,360 --> 02:06:12,160
Speaker 3: those things where you know, I feel like what I

2617
02:06:12,160 --> 02:06:14,200
Speaker 3: didn't have that is there something wrong with me?

2618
02:06:14,880 --> 02:06:15,160
Speaker 5: You know?

2619
02:06:15,240 --> 02:06:15,840
Speaker 1: For not having that.

2620
02:06:15,880 --> 02:06:19,160
Speaker 3: But it's not different people are just raised differently, you know,

2621
02:06:19,240 --> 02:06:22,400
Speaker 3: and different people come to the understanding of these things

2622
02:06:22,480 --> 02:06:24,840
Speaker 3: at different points in different times in their lives. Like

2623
02:06:24,880 --> 02:06:28,000
Speaker 3: you realize these things exist, but it's not till you

2624
02:06:28,040 --> 02:06:31,080
Speaker 3: get much older that you realize. I know, for me person,

2625
02:06:31,160 --> 02:06:33,320
Speaker 3: you realized to impact the things and then you start

2626
02:06:33,640 --> 02:06:37,200
Speaker 3: going and reading about Tulsa, Oklahoma, and reading about these

2627
02:06:37,240 --> 02:06:40,120
Speaker 3: other things and educating yourself and learning these things. And

2628
02:06:40,160 --> 02:06:42,240
Speaker 3: for a lot of black people like me, sometimes I

2629
02:06:42,240 --> 02:06:45,000
Speaker 3: feel cheated. Well, I feel like I wish I would

2630
02:06:45,080 --> 02:06:48,600
Speaker 3: have learned these things at an earlier age versus me

2631
02:06:48,760 --> 02:06:52,400
Speaker 3: coming upon these things as I got older. And also, yes,

2632
02:06:52,480 --> 02:06:57,200
Speaker 3: I have heard about the black girl run thing. I

2633
02:06:57,200 --> 02:06:58,360
Speaker 3: haven't enjoyed anything like.

2634
02:06:58,320 --> 02:07:04,640
Speaker 1: That, but I have heard about it. Yeah, so I don't.

2635
02:07:04,920 --> 02:07:08,920
Speaker 2: I mean, one of the reasons you see black people

2636
02:07:09,000 --> 02:07:13,480
Speaker 2: react that way when they're talking about black people that

2637
02:07:13,520 --> 02:07:17,640
Speaker 2: don't know their history and seem like very much like

2638
02:07:17,880 --> 02:07:19,920
Speaker 2: we need to stop talking about these things, we need

2639
02:07:19,920 --> 02:07:22,120
Speaker 2: to stop teaching this stuff. One of the reasons you're

2640
02:07:22,120 --> 02:07:25,080
Speaker 2: seeing that because they're reacting to people who are saying

2641
02:07:25,120 --> 02:07:28,000
Speaker 2: stuff like that. So it's not out of like it's

2642
02:07:28,040 --> 02:07:30,560
Speaker 2: not happening in a bubble where it's just they decided

2643
02:07:30,600 --> 02:07:32,360
Speaker 2: to be assholes. They walked out the house to say,

2644
02:07:32,400 --> 02:07:36,240
Speaker 2: you niggas don't know nothing about history. No, they a

2645
02:07:36,280 --> 02:07:40,760
Speaker 2: lot of their experiences them going hey, there's nothing wrong

2646
02:07:40,800 --> 02:07:45,600
Speaker 2: with our history, and you're telling everybody that making a

2647
02:07:45,640 --> 02:07:49,520
Speaker 2: movie about slavery is like a bad thing, right, And

2648
02:07:49,600 --> 02:07:50,520
Speaker 2: so that's why.

2649
02:07:50,320 --> 02:07:52,320
Speaker 1: You're getting those responses.

2650
02:07:52,480 --> 02:07:55,760
Speaker 2: It's not about making someone feel ashamed or I'm better

2651
02:07:55,800 --> 02:07:56,360
Speaker 2: than you.

2652
02:07:56,720 --> 02:07:57,560
Speaker 1: Or any of that shit.

2653
02:07:57,640 --> 02:08:01,920
Speaker 2: For a lot of folks, it's just simply, hey, you

2654
02:08:02,040 --> 02:08:05,560
Speaker 2: keep saying this is something that is not and it's

2655
02:08:05,600 --> 02:08:08,680
Speaker 2: important that somebody be here to be like, yeah, but

2656
02:08:08,720 --> 02:08:09,760
Speaker 2: it's not that you know.

2657
02:08:10,200 --> 02:08:12,840
Speaker 1: So I think that's where you were. I think that's

2658
02:08:12,880 --> 02:08:16,520
Speaker 1: what's happening. But yeah, I don't.

2659
02:08:17,440 --> 02:08:19,880
Speaker 2: But I do agree that there's like a level of

2660
02:08:19,880 --> 02:08:23,840
Speaker 2: privilege and stuff too it because I feel very privileged.

2661
02:08:23,480 --> 02:08:25,919
Speaker 1: In that way to be able to say, hey.

2662
02:08:26,880 --> 02:08:29,920
Speaker 2: These are the things I learned, and uh, you know,

2663
02:08:30,000 --> 02:08:31,000
Speaker 2: and I appreciated of it.

2664
02:08:31,400 --> 02:08:31,600
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2665
02:08:31,720 --> 02:08:35,120
Speaker 3: And also and even doing this podcast kind of in

2666
02:08:35,200 --> 02:08:37,960
Speaker 3: real time, you guys have kind of seen me learn

2667
02:08:38,040 --> 02:08:41,280
Speaker 3: and grow from Roderick and educating myself and listening to

2668
02:08:41,360 --> 02:08:44,480
Speaker 3: podcasts but about black history and things like that.

2669
02:08:45,200 --> 02:08:49,360
Speaker 1: And I had to get over my own.

2670
02:08:48,920 --> 02:08:54,920
Speaker 3: Internalized fear of feeling as a as feeling inferior in

2671
02:08:55,000 --> 02:08:57,240
Speaker 3: my blackness. Like I had to get over that. I

2672
02:08:57,280 --> 02:09:00,080
Speaker 3: had to get over the fact that nobody's judging me.

2673
02:09:00,640 --> 02:09:03,960
Speaker 3: Nobody's saying I'm a bad black person, nobody's saying I'm

2674
02:09:04,080 --> 02:09:07,840
Speaker 3: listing my black experience is my black experience. However that

2675
02:09:07,880 --> 02:09:10,400
Speaker 3: black experience may be, it's mine and I'm black and

2676
02:09:10,440 --> 02:09:13,360
Speaker 3: I'm here in America, so it is my black experience.

2677
02:09:13,560 --> 02:09:14,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just a lot of.

2678
02:09:14,440 --> 02:09:16,760
Speaker 2: It is like I mean not and I'm not being

2679
02:09:16,800 --> 02:09:18,840
Speaker 2: a dick, but it's like, is this happening to you?

2680
02:09:19,280 --> 02:09:21,200
Speaker 2: Because there's times where like you would go on a

2681
02:09:21,280 --> 02:09:24,240
Speaker 2: ram or something. I'm like, no one did that to you, Like, oh,

2682
02:09:24,280 --> 02:09:26,280
Speaker 2: y'all trying to make me feel bad, because it's like,

2683
02:09:26,520 --> 02:09:29,600
Speaker 2: no one's making you feel bad. No one said anything

2684
02:09:29,600 --> 02:09:32,240
Speaker 2: to you. So like, give me some examples, names, some names,

2685
02:09:32,880 --> 02:09:36,120
Speaker 2: tell me where it happens. Like no, internally, white supremacy

2686
02:09:36,200 --> 02:09:38,520
Speaker 2: is so fucked up. We're yelling in our own heads,

2687
02:09:38,880 --> 02:09:40,920
Speaker 2: going it's other black people that did this to me,

2688
02:09:41,000 --> 02:09:44,240
Speaker 2: It's like, no, they didn't. Black people, even the ones

2689
02:09:44,280 --> 02:09:47,200
Speaker 2: that work in those areas, are some of the most understanding,

2690
02:09:47,320 --> 02:09:50,800
Speaker 2: if not the only understanding people when it comes to

2691
02:09:50,800 --> 02:09:54,520
Speaker 2: the trauma, but when it comes to when it comes

2692
02:09:54,560 --> 02:09:57,960
Speaker 2: to the trauma of that history and understanding the psychological

2693
02:09:58,040 --> 02:10:00,560
Speaker 2: impact of learning, they're the like some of the only

2694
02:10:00,600 --> 02:10:02,960
Speaker 2: motherfuckers who are like, no, it's not just facts on

2695
02:10:03,000 --> 02:10:03,640
Speaker 2: the sheet of paper.

2696
02:10:03,720 --> 02:10:06,160
Speaker 1: Is people. It's not just history.

2697
02:10:06,200 --> 02:10:08,960
Speaker 2: It's our family history, it's our generational history, it's our

2698
02:10:09,280 --> 02:10:13,800
Speaker 2: traumatic history. Like so they when they touch these these things,

2699
02:10:13,800 --> 02:10:15,960
Speaker 2: when they teach these things, there's a finesse to them.

2700
02:10:16,000 --> 02:10:18,320
Speaker 2: There's a concern as a caring to them, and that

2701
02:10:18,440 --> 02:10:22,840
Speaker 2: work should not be erased or just demagogued into like

2702
02:10:22,960 --> 02:10:25,240
Speaker 2: these niggas love trauma, you know, which I'm not saying

2703
02:10:25,240 --> 02:10:27,240
Speaker 2: you're doing right, but which is the way a lot

2704
02:10:27,280 --> 02:10:29,080
Speaker 2: of this stuff is framed on social media is like

2705
02:10:29,120 --> 02:10:30,240
Speaker 2: this idea like.

2706
02:10:30,480 --> 02:10:32,480
Speaker 1: These black people just love some trauma.

2707
02:10:32,520 --> 02:10:35,880
Speaker 2: It's like, no, that's not what's happening and it and

2708
02:10:35,920 --> 02:10:37,120
Speaker 2: shame on people for trying to.

2709
02:10:37,120 --> 02:10:39,320
Speaker 3: Promote that right now, so you know, like I said,

2710
02:10:39,400 --> 02:10:42,400
Speaker 3: the own person is security. I just felt stupid and

2711
02:10:42,600 --> 02:10:45,280
Speaker 3: not to be funded when people feel stupid. Everybody don't

2712
02:10:45,280 --> 02:10:49,240
Speaker 3: respond really well to quote unquote feeling stupid, even if

2713
02:10:50,000 --> 02:10:52,440
Speaker 3: that's not what they're saying. But that's how you quote

2714
02:10:52,480 --> 02:10:53,720
Speaker 3: unquote perceive it.

2715
02:10:53,800 --> 02:10:57,120
Speaker 2: Feeling's not facts correct. So I had to work through

2716
02:10:57,120 --> 02:10:57,640
Speaker 2: those and.

2717
02:10:57,600 --> 02:10:58,160
Speaker 1: You're not alone.

2718
02:10:58,160 --> 02:10:59,680
Speaker 2: There's a lot of people that feel that way. And

2719
02:10:59,680 --> 02:11:02,360
Speaker 2: the thing about feeling stupid is you can learn.

2720
02:11:02,680 --> 02:11:03,160
Speaker 1: Correct.

2721
02:11:03,400 --> 02:11:06,680
Speaker 2: Everybody starts at not knowing stuff, and then you learn

2722
02:11:06,920 --> 02:11:09,880
Speaker 2: about the thing and then you know it. So you know,

2723
02:11:09,920 --> 02:11:12,120
Speaker 2: a lot of people get stuck in that cycle of like,

2724
02:11:12,200 --> 02:11:12,960
Speaker 2: well I don't.

2725
02:11:12,800 --> 02:11:14,720
Speaker 1: Know it and I'm never gonna learn.

2726
02:11:14,760 --> 02:11:16,800
Speaker 2: It's like, well, you, but if you learn, then you

2727
02:11:16,840 --> 02:11:19,400
Speaker 2: won't feel the shame of not learning.

2728
02:11:19,920 --> 02:11:20,200
Speaker 1: Yes.

2729
02:11:20,400 --> 02:11:22,200
Speaker 3: Yes, And also one of those things you bother a

2730
02:11:22,240 --> 02:11:24,400
Speaker 3: good point. You go, the people that are in these fields,

2731
02:11:24,440 --> 02:11:26,720
Speaker 3: the people that know these facts, the people that have

2732
02:11:26,760 --> 02:11:31,240
Speaker 3: spent their life's work dedicated to these things. Like you said,

2733
02:11:31,240 --> 02:11:33,320
Speaker 3: a lot of them are the most caring and concerned

2734
02:11:33,320 --> 02:11:34,120
Speaker 3: people because.

2735
02:11:33,880 --> 02:11:36,800
Speaker 1: They go, we don't want this to die. We understand

2736
02:11:36,920 --> 02:11:37,880
Speaker 1: that you might not know.

2737
02:11:38,000 --> 02:11:41,280
Speaker 3: We're not judging you, We're not coming from a place

2738
02:11:41,320 --> 02:11:42,280
Speaker 3: of condemnation.

2739
02:11:43,040 --> 02:11:45,640
Speaker 1: We're like Hey, it's okay, it's all right.

2740
02:11:45,680 --> 02:11:48,240
Speaker 3: We'll help you work through this, because the more you

2741
02:11:48,320 --> 02:11:50,920
Speaker 3: know not very funny, the better you can understand it's

2742
02:11:51,000 --> 02:11:54,120
Speaker 3: internal rage that you have or situations like things that

2743
02:11:54,160 --> 02:11:55,840
Speaker 3: you've been kind of picking up since you're a child

2744
02:11:55,880 --> 02:11:59,320
Speaker 3: and for the first time sometimes like I'm older, Oh,

2745
02:11:59,360 --> 02:12:01,600
Speaker 3: I was not. I was not a lunatic. I just

2746
02:12:01,600 --> 02:12:03,960
Speaker 3: didn't have the words, nor could I understand these things.

2747
02:12:04,040 --> 02:12:06,040
Speaker 3: I didn't understand this. Some of the things that happened

2748
02:12:06,040 --> 02:12:08,200
Speaker 3: when I was a child is repeating now, and it's

2749
02:12:08,200 --> 02:12:10,520
Speaker 3: a reason why. And a lot of that is educating

2750
02:12:10,520 --> 02:12:13,000
Speaker 3: myself and understanding those things. That's why for some things

2751
02:12:13,040 --> 02:12:15,560
Speaker 3: now I'm kind of on the other side, I'm very

2752
02:12:15,640 --> 02:12:19,760
Speaker 3: dogmatic about no, people need to learn these things. These

2753
02:12:19,760 --> 02:12:24,440
Speaker 3: things do exist. It's okay if you don't know. Everybody

2754
02:12:24,480 --> 02:12:28,040
Speaker 3: starts from somewhere, you know, when it comes to these.

2755
02:12:27,840 --> 02:12:30,040
Speaker 1: Things, you don't know what you don't know, and that's

2756
02:12:30,080 --> 02:12:33,920
Speaker 1: all right, all right, let's get to the rest of it.

2757
02:12:34,000 --> 02:12:36,440
Speaker 2: She says, I don't think that people made the connection

2758
02:12:36,480 --> 02:12:39,000
Speaker 2: of not wanting trauma porn and not necessarily being as

2759
02:12:39,000 --> 02:12:41,480
Speaker 2: psychologically healthy and not being able to know how to

2760
02:12:41,520 --> 02:12:45,160
Speaker 2: sort out politics, policies, civics, etc. Having a full experience

2761
02:12:45,160 --> 02:12:47,720
Speaker 2: and expression of emotion, including what is perceived as negative,

2762
02:12:47,760 --> 02:12:50,960
Speaker 2: is psychologically healthy in my opinion. Maturity and wisdom comes

2763
02:12:50,960 --> 02:12:53,000
Speaker 2: from being able to seek out and sit with uncomfortable

2764
02:12:53,000 --> 02:12:55,800
Speaker 2: facts and the synthesized with their own thoughts. In any case,

2765
02:12:55,840 --> 02:12:58,120
Speaker 2: appreciate you both, take care, celest Thank you, Celestie.

2766
02:12:58,600 --> 02:12:58,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2767
02:12:59,000 --> 02:13:01,040
Speaker 2: I think that's one of the issues too, is people

2768
02:13:01,080 --> 02:13:05,320
Speaker 2: think health is joy and happiness all the time, and

2769
02:13:05,480 --> 02:13:10,080
Speaker 2: they do that. The complicated parts of life and the

2770
02:13:10,120 --> 02:13:13,400
Speaker 2: complicated parts of history if we just ignore them, then

2771
02:13:13,440 --> 02:13:15,120
Speaker 2: it's like they don't exist and they go away.

2772
02:13:15,640 --> 02:13:18,400
Speaker 1: And you see that a lot with black coaches that

2773
02:13:18,440 --> 02:13:20,720
Speaker 1: get asked about racism and they go, what about my

2774
02:13:20,760 --> 02:13:24,000
Speaker 1: white wife and my kids? And you're like what.

2775
02:13:24,480 --> 02:13:27,200
Speaker 2: And the reason they're saying that is because here's some

2776
02:13:27,360 --> 02:13:29,640
Speaker 2: joyous things that experience in my life.

2777
02:13:29,880 --> 02:13:32,480
Speaker 1: So is racism really something I should be concentrating on.

2778
02:13:32,560 --> 02:13:36,120
Speaker 2: It's like you can't just run to joy to avoid

2779
02:13:36,200 --> 02:13:40,080
Speaker 2: what the fuck reality is? You know, But yeah, people

2780
02:13:40,120 --> 02:13:42,040
Speaker 2: do it all the time, but it don't change reality.

2781
02:13:42,240 --> 02:13:45,480
Speaker 1: Nope. John says, good morning, Rid and Karen just curious,

2782
02:13:45,600 --> 02:13:47,320
Speaker 1: has joy and Reed always been like this.

2783
02:13:47,480 --> 02:13:50,200
Speaker 2: I've only been following her since she started at MSNBC

2784
02:13:50,280 --> 02:13:52,680
Speaker 2: maybe eight years ago. With my oppression was that she

2785
02:13:52,760 --> 02:13:54,920
Speaker 2: was always pretty reasonable and much more on a Melissa

2786
02:13:54,960 --> 02:13:57,400
Speaker 2: Harris Parry than a Brianna joy Gray. And yes, I

2787
02:13:57,440 --> 02:13:59,360
Speaker 2: could tell them all apart, just to cut you off

2788
02:13:59,360 --> 02:13:59,840
Speaker 2: from that joke.

2789
02:14:00,040 --> 02:14:01,200
Speaker 1: Ah H.

2790
02:14:01,440 --> 02:14:05,680
Speaker 2: Reid has always had fair criticisms of DIMS, which is fine,

2791
02:14:05,920 --> 02:14:07,840
Speaker 2: but it seemed like she's really leaning to the practice

2792
02:14:07,840 --> 02:14:10,360
Speaker 2: of letting people come on and say kind of ridiculous

2793
02:14:10,360 --> 02:14:12,840
Speaker 2: shit about the gyms and Garland in the past year

2794
02:14:12,880 --> 02:14:15,520
Speaker 2: or so. I guess the easy attention ratings and clicks

2795
02:14:15,560 --> 02:14:17,400
Speaker 2: are just too hard to resist. It's sad because for

2796
02:14:17,440 --> 02:14:19,160
Speaker 2: a while she was one of my faiths on that network.

2797
02:14:19,280 --> 02:14:22,360
Speaker 2: Just they saved John. On the Native Land podcast, you

2798
02:14:22,480 --> 02:14:28,080
Speaker 2: listen to Tiffany Cross, and she was a big advocate

2799
02:14:28,120 --> 02:14:30,080
Speaker 2: for Joy Red and her and Angeloi said she a

2800
02:14:30,080 --> 02:14:30,960
Speaker 2: real one, and blah blah blah.

2801
02:14:31,000 --> 02:14:32,880
Speaker 1: I hear what they saying. But here's the thing.

2802
02:14:33,080 --> 02:14:36,839
Speaker 2: They got rid of Tiffany Cross, supposedly, according to Tiffany,

2803
02:14:36,840 --> 02:14:38,760
Speaker 2: because she was a little bit too down for black

2804
02:14:38,800 --> 02:14:41,640
Speaker 2: people and she called out racism a little too overtly,

2805
02:14:41,760 --> 02:14:44,400
Speaker 2: and she didn't give a fuck, and she stood on

2806
02:14:44,440 --> 02:14:45,760
Speaker 2: that and ended up losing her job.

2807
02:14:45,840 --> 02:14:50,879
Speaker 1: Okay, well, we know them. We know that the management

2808
02:14:50,920 --> 02:14:52,800
Speaker 1: of MSNBC has changed hands.

2809
02:14:53,080 --> 02:14:56,000
Speaker 2: We know that the goals of MSNBC have become about

2810
02:14:56,480 --> 02:14:59,680
Speaker 2: trying to be a more centrist network, trying to be

2811
02:15:00,080 --> 02:15:05,880
Speaker 2: a little more kinder to conservatives. And part of being

2812
02:15:05,960 --> 02:15:09,240
Speaker 2: kind of conservatives looks a lot like criticizing democrats all

2813
02:15:09,240 --> 02:15:12,480
Speaker 2: the time, or even if it's unfair, and being like

2814
02:15:12,480 --> 02:15:16,240
Speaker 2: these democrats ain't shit either, because conservatives will tune in

2815
02:15:16,280 --> 02:15:16,600
Speaker 2: for that.

2816
02:15:16,960 --> 02:15:18,000
Speaker 1: Well supposedly.

2817
02:15:18,040 --> 02:15:20,560
Speaker 2: I don't think they're gonna tune in because they're getting

2818
02:15:20,560 --> 02:15:23,000
Speaker 2: fed so well at Fox and O An, why the

2819
02:15:23,000 --> 02:15:26,520
Speaker 2: fuck would they come eat diet coke at MSNBC, right.

2820
02:15:26,400 --> 02:15:28,200
Speaker 1: You catering towards the audience, it's not there.

2821
02:15:28,440 --> 02:15:31,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think it's ultimately a fool's erring, but

2822
02:15:31,880 --> 02:15:35,800
Speaker 2: because they won't lean it to their brand. But the

2823
02:15:35,880 --> 02:15:39,600
Speaker 2: point being like, I think that's regardless of her being

2824
02:15:39,600 --> 02:15:42,040
Speaker 2: a stand up down person blah blah blah, end of

2825
02:15:42,080 --> 02:15:45,800
Speaker 2: the day, I'm sure that the people that at that

2826
02:15:45,920 --> 02:15:49,480
Speaker 2: network are happy that she's criticizing those Democrats in those ways,

2827
02:15:49,720 --> 02:15:51,560
Speaker 2: because at the end of the day, that does make

2828
02:15:51,600 --> 02:15:54,400
Speaker 2: it seem like we're just a we'll look we just

2829
02:15:54,440 --> 02:15:57,440
Speaker 2: calling like we'll see them, okay. We Sometimes Republicans have

2830
02:15:57,480 --> 02:16:01,440
Speaker 2: good ideas, sometimes Democrats have bad ideas, you know.

2831
02:16:01,600 --> 02:16:03,680
Speaker 1: And it works too, I mean, it helps you go viral.

2832
02:16:04,280 --> 02:16:07,360
Speaker 2: It helps, you know, with the brass and the offices

2833
02:16:07,400 --> 02:16:09,760
Speaker 2: that are like this is our mission statement and joy

2834
02:16:09,840 --> 02:16:11,280
Speaker 2: you out there doing the Lord's work.

2835
02:16:11,320 --> 02:16:11,520
Speaker 3: You know.

2836
02:16:11,560 --> 02:16:14,440
Speaker 2: It's why Bill Maher has a fucking you know, both

2837
02:16:14,480 --> 02:16:16,840
Speaker 2: SiZ ism every fucking week and it goes viral every

2838
02:16:16,840 --> 02:16:20,080
Speaker 2: Saturday morning. Like there's something to being the people that

2839
02:16:20,160 --> 02:16:23,760
Speaker 2: antagonize the Democrats, because the Democrats are like the moms

2840
02:16:24,280 --> 02:16:25,800
Speaker 2: that stay and raise.

2841
02:16:25,600 --> 02:16:28,360
Speaker 1: The kids after the divorce, and it's like, bitch.

2842
02:16:28,080 --> 02:16:32,520
Speaker 2: Everything your fault, you know, like daddy left us, man,

2843
02:16:32,560 --> 02:16:35,480
Speaker 2: he went out, you know. And so Jail Covin has

2844
02:16:35,480 --> 02:16:38,080
Speaker 2: made that analogy many times on this podcast and it's

2845
02:16:38,120 --> 02:16:41,720
Speaker 2: so good. But but yeah, so it's just that kind

2846
02:16:41,760 --> 02:16:46,359
Speaker 2: of thing that's happening. And so you know, I personally

2847
02:16:46,440 --> 02:16:49,560
Speaker 2: don't watch MSNBC and seeing it and shit like that.

2848
02:16:49,959 --> 02:16:53,920
Speaker 2: I haven't watched cable news in a long time and

2849
02:16:54,040 --> 02:16:57,120
Speaker 2: anything more than just so like, oh I turned it

2850
02:16:57,160 --> 02:16:58,960
Speaker 2: to this for a second because it was on commercial

2851
02:16:59,000 --> 02:17:00,320
Speaker 2: for ESPN or something like.

2852
02:17:00,879 --> 02:17:01,680
Speaker 1: I just don't.

2853
02:17:01,959 --> 02:17:03,720
Speaker 2: I don't know what the fuck they be talking about,

2854
02:17:03,800 --> 02:17:06,199
Speaker 2: other than when you see a viral clip on social media,

2855
02:17:06,680 --> 02:17:09,080
Speaker 2: and those clips all make me go. That's why I

2856
02:17:09,080 --> 02:17:09,879
Speaker 2: don't watch that shit.

2857
02:17:10,360 --> 02:17:13,039
Speaker 1: You know, I don't really.

2858
02:17:12,840 --> 02:17:18,040
Speaker 2: Care about how it looks to people right now. I

2859
02:17:18,080 --> 02:17:20,680
Speaker 2: don't think we can fuck around in twenty twenty four.

2860
02:17:20,840 --> 02:17:23,640
Speaker 2: I've said it a million times. I won't just say it,

2861
02:17:23,840 --> 02:17:27,040
Speaker 2: you know, a long thing right now, but just I

2862
02:17:27,080 --> 02:17:30,840
Speaker 2: don't think we have room to quibble. And I'm sorry

2863
02:17:30,920 --> 02:17:34,080
Speaker 2: that the black media spaces aren't getting the money they deserve.

2864
02:17:34,280 --> 02:17:36,840
Speaker 2: And it's always been that way, and they do deserve

2865
02:17:36,879 --> 02:17:39,880
Speaker 2: that money. And if Democrats really want to do black outreach,

2866
02:17:39,959 --> 02:17:42,560
Speaker 2: they should be giving money early and often to these

2867
02:17:42,600 --> 02:17:46,760
Speaker 2: black spaces. And so I absolutely do get that point.

2868
02:17:47,080 --> 02:17:50,640
Speaker 2: That being said, I wouldn't give a fuck if they

2869
02:17:50,680 --> 02:17:54,360
Speaker 2: gave not a dollar. I don't want Republicans at Trump

2870
02:17:54,440 --> 02:17:57,480
Speaker 2: in charge, period. And while that might not be good

2871
02:17:57,560 --> 02:18:00,400
Speaker 2: enough for some folks, it's fucking good enough for me too.

2872
02:18:00,520 --> 02:18:02,879
Speaker 2: And uh, that's what the fuck we on over here,

2873
02:18:03,000 --> 02:18:04,840
Speaker 2: and if you're waiting for us to break and change

2874
02:18:04,840 --> 02:18:06,119
Speaker 2: our minds, it's not gonna happen.

2875
02:18:06,200 --> 02:18:09,320
Speaker 1: It's so it's not gonna It's that dire to me.

2876
02:18:09,480 --> 02:18:12,080
Speaker 2: And it's that and I'm that pragmatic, like I just

2877
02:18:12,840 --> 02:18:15,119
Speaker 2: you know, it's like, well, bads, shit is happening too.

2878
02:18:15,360 --> 02:18:18,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, badshit always happens.

2879
02:18:17,640 --> 02:18:20,039
Speaker 2: Always, and it's gonna keep happening no matter who the

2880
02:18:20,040 --> 02:18:20,920
Speaker 2: fuck is in charge.

2881
02:18:21,280 --> 02:18:23,280
Speaker 1: You can't stop everything. You're not superman.

2882
02:18:24,240 --> 02:18:26,440
Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, I like less

2883
02:18:26,480 --> 02:18:29,240
Speaker 2: bad shit to happen. I like people in charge that

2884
02:18:29,320 --> 02:18:32,320
Speaker 2: would do less bad than then the people. Then someone

2885
02:18:32,480 --> 02:18:34,840
Speaker 2: being in charge of dudes worse. And the idea that

2886
02:18:34,840 --> 02:18:38,600
Speaker 2: that doesn't matter is fucking insanity to me, right, you know.

2887
02:18:38,800 --> 02:18:42,560
Speaker 3: And also it's a big picture versus small picture. Yes,

2888
02:18:42,600 --> 02:18:45,640
Speaker 3: there's wars, Yes there's all these other things going on on.

2889
02:18:45,760 --> 02:18:48,920
Speaker 3: Those things are important also, But if you want a

2890
02:18:48,959 --> 02:18:51,400
Speaker 3: lot of these things to change, you actually need somebody

2891
02:18:51,440 --> 02:18:53,560
Speaker 3: in the White House that you can hold accountable for

2892
02:18:53,720 --> 02:18:56,879
Speaker 3: these things, versus somebody that's gonna be like, well fuck it,

2893
02:18:56,920 --> 02:18:59,720
Speaker 3: that's their problem, or somebody's gonna throw gasoline on a

2894
02:18:59,760 --> 02:19:01,440
Speaker 3: fire like that shit matters to me.

2895
02:19:01,600 --> 02:19:04,400
Speaker 1: Also, yeah, all right, y'all, that's it for this episode.

2896
02:19:04,480 --> 02:19:08,400
Speaker 1: We'll be back. Thanks for listening to everybody. Until next time,

2897
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Speaker 1: I love you, yeah,