Speaker 1: Take personal life with the rolling game Fuelsman.
Speaker 2: This week's episode feels super important for a number of reasons,
Speaker 2: but I'm going to share some stats here to really
Speaker 2: drive that point home.
Speaker 3: In twenty twenty two.
Speaker 2: There were nearly twenty million new cancer cases and nine
Speaker 2: point seven million cancer deaths worldwide. By twenty forty, the
Speaker 2: number of new cancer cases per year is expected to rise.
Speaker 3: To twenty nine point nine million.
Speaker 2: Approximately forty point five percent of men and women will
Speaker 2: be diagnosed with cancer at some point during their lifetime.
Speaker 2: These stats and more this is why I'm doing an
Speaker 2: entire episode on cancer, and I plan to have more
Speaker 2: episodes on the topic. Almost everybody knows somebody who's been
Speaker 2: impacted by this disease. This week, I'm bringing on a
Speaker 2: good friend of mine named Torri. She's going to share
Speaker 2: her experien parents with being diagnosed with cancer at age
Speaker 2: twenty five. Then I'm bringing on Simone Jasandi, who's an
Speaker 2: author and an expert in the field of natural health
Speaker 2: and holistic cancer therapies. She'll share lots of interesting things
Speaker 2: about health and wellness, but more than that, what we
Speaker 2: can be doing to eliminate the possibility of environmental cancers
Speaker 2: in our own lives. So buckle up, friends, here we go.
Speaker 2: You know, the funny thing about me doing this podcast
Speaker 2: is I have enlisted pretty much all of my friends
Speaker 2: to come on just about every episode, and this week
Speaker 2: is no different. I'm bringing on one of my friends
Speaker 2: from college, Tory. Tory, how are you feeling right now?
Speaker 4: I'm feeling better. I'm for getting suttled, ready to go.
Speaker 4: I'm excited to talk to you. Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we did just puang hui whatever that word is
Speaker 2: your entire apartment to get this to look and You're.
Speaker 3: Like, I don't know what I'm doing.
Speaker 4: Definitely on a podcast where I canna know. This is
Speaker 4: my first time. How to make sure the vibe was right?
Speaker 4: Yesthetic it is?
Speaker 3: We are learning again.
Speaker 2: I am been listening on my friends because the whole
Speaker 2: purpose of this podcast is to share stories of everyday people,
Speaker 2: and this is one of them that is inspiring and
Speaker 2: also difficult in a lot of ways.
Speaker 3: So I have brought Tory on to share her story.
Speaker 2: As she kind of went into adulthood, Tory got diagnosed
Speaker 2: with cancer. So Toy, I'm gonna let you take this
Speaker 2: away and kind of share your cancer story and then
Speaker 2: we'll kind of get into more other things.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that sounds great. No, Like, first of all, it's
Speaker 4: really humbling to be here, and I'm honored to be asked.
Speaker 4: I have kind of always thought that my journey was
Speaker 4: just a little under the radar, which is how I
Speaker 4: liked it. I want to just get through it, power on,
Speaker 4: move on to the next thing. It was really kind
Speaker 4: of in a transition period for me too. So I
Speaker 4: was diagnosed when I was twenty five.
Speaker 5: Gonnis.
Speaker 4: Now you're gonna tell me on the the stats here,
Speaker 4: but I took a couple extra laps in college, We'll
Speaker 4: just say that. So I was still kind of in
Speaker 4: that phase than moving into finding a career, and at
Speaker 4: that point, like had planned on doing you know, like education,
Speaker 4: other things that had to be rerouted because you know,
Speaker 4: cancer obviously takes a toll on your body physically, and
Speaker 4: of course it's it's been time consuming.
Speaker 5: It's almost like its own job itself.
Speaker 4: But No, I was diagnosed with non patchin lymphoma, and yeah,
Speaker 4: it was it was a wild ride.
Speaker 5: It was really shocking.
Speaker 4: At that time, I was still living in Manhattan, and
Speaker 4: looking back now you can kind of like you start
Speaker 4: to see more like symptoms and you're like, okay, was
Speaker 4: that part of this. I do think I was sick
Speaker 4: for a few months before actually getting the diagnosis.
Speaker 5: Lymphoma is a blood cancer.
Speaker 4: And I'm not gonna lie, I'm not gonna I don't
Speaker 4: know a ton about honestly, the health facts about everything.
Speaker 4: So it's really more of like a lifestyle journey for
Speaker 4: me and how it changed me in that aspect. But yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean, that's that's kind of where it started.
Speaker 2: And looking back on a part that was really hard
Speaker 2: for you and your life and something that you never
Speaker 2: saw coming.
Speaker 3: So how did you find out that this happened?
Speaker 2: Like what were the signs that led you to be like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I think I need to go see a doctor.
Speaker 3: What happened?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 4: So at that point, like I said, I was going
Speaker 4: to school for education and I had taken on a
Speaker 4: full time role and I just recognized I was diagnosed
Speaker 4: in June, and that whole entire semester, I was exhausted
Speaker 4: and I'm normally a really upbeat person.
Speaker 5: And to be fair, at that time too, I was
Speaker 5: managing two jobs.
Speaker 4: I was working at a bar, I was working at
Speaker 4: Tanners in Manhattan, and I was closing that down, and
Speaker 4: that's like really late nights and then getting up to
Speaker 4: go to a school, which is you know, early mornings.
Speaker 4: And I just felt myself just like dragging constantly and
Speaker 4: looked at like things like my diet and drinking water
Speaker 4: and of course like activity, and you know, I could
Speaker 4: have done better in all those areas. So I think
Speaker 4: I kept telling myself, this is a me problem. It
Speaker 4: wasn't in general, but I ended up really getting sick
Speaker 4: in March, dealing with just like physical pain, not really
Speaker 4: being able to like heal fully.
Speaker 5: I had a pretty bad cough, which I chalked.
Speaker 4: It up to having you know what, I think at
Speaker 4: that point, I was seeing like struck throat or something
Speaker 4: like that, and my lymph notes were just completely swollen.
Speaker 4: And at one point, you know, my roommate and best
Speaker 4: friend was asking me, like what is going on here?
Speaker 4: And that's just kind of what led to me realizing like, okay,
Speaker 4: I should probably go get this checked out. Not to
Speaker 4: mention kind of the ball drop here, my my logical
Speaker 4: mom died from So she died from non hotchkins, and
Speaker 4: I actually had hopkins. I think I misspoke earlier, But
Speaker 4: there is two different blood cancers. Again, I'm not the
Speaker 4: one to go on web md and figure out everything
Speaker 4: about my cancer. It really wasn't my style. I just
Speaker 4: did what the doctors told me. But my mom did
Speaker 4: pass from cancer in nineteen ninety nine, so same blood cancer,
Speaker 4: but kind of different styles.
Speaker 5: Not Hopkins is a lot less curable even even to date.
Speaker 4: Really, my cancer is one of the most curable cancers,
Speaker 4: and actually the age range that I got it is
Speaker 4: the most common, so it was just really interesting kind
Speaker 4: of to learn those And they also say it is
Speaker 4: more of an environmental disease versus you know what you like,
Speaker 4: hereditary or genetic. A lot of studies are now showing
Speaker 4: that it does have hereditary tendencies. A lot of doctors
Speaker 4: believe it is just fully hereditary, and it runs.
Speaker 5: On my side of the family.
Speaker 4: Unfortunately, my grandpa, biological grandpa, also was diagnosed while I
Speaker 4: was going through treatment with non Hodgkins, and it makes
Speaker 4: sense because they were farmers, so I.
Speaker 5: Think a lot of it's done from that.
Speaker 4: But long winded answer to your question, but yeah, that's
Speaker 4: kind of how it all started and kind of where
Speaker 4: it came from, and having that family history is kind
Speaker 4: of also what tempted me to go see a doctor.
Speaker 2: So when you got the diagnosis and they're like, you
Speaker 2: have this, I'm going to go kind of two different
Speaker 2: things here, But because you did just talk about your
Speaker 2: biological mom and grandpa, what was going through your head?
Speaker 2: Were you like, oh, my gosh, I know this happened
Speaker 2: with them, and then you found out about your grandpa, Like,
Speaker 2: what were those experiences like when you know it's part
Speaker 2: of your family.
Speaker 3: What was your kind of first feelings as this started
Speaker 3: to happen.
Speaker 4: I have, unfortunately, and I will say unfortunately, blocked a
Speaker 4: lot of that part of my life. And it wasn't
Speaker 4: just cancer, so a lot of that with with it.
Speaker 4: The initial feeling, I mean, it was fair for sure,
Speaker 4: and I just remember the most fearful thing was not
Speaker 4: being able to carry on life and like really start
Speaker 4: my life at that point, I really haven't been in love.
Speaker 2: And yeah, and I don't want you to cry unless
Speaker 2: you feel comfortable.
Speaker 5: Honestly said I was going to be totally fine.
Speaker 2: So I also know that this was such an incredibly
Speaker 2: difficult time in your life, and emotions are normal for
Speaker 2: that and what you're experiencing even talking about it again,
Speaker 2: this is the reason I wanted to talk about this topic,
Speaker 2: not because it's easy, not because I want to put
Speaker 2: anybody through those emotions, but because.
Speaker 3: It happens so often.
Speaker 2: Everybody knows somebody that has been diagnosed or died from cancer,
Speaker 2: and it's horrible. There's one enemy I think we all have.
Speaker 2: It's cancer. So you showing those emotions is very real
Speaker 2: and very normal and very genuine. So please know that
Speaker 2: I have also personally cried on this podcast many times,
Speaker 2: so you're clear. But that also just shows how raw
Speaker 2: and how hard that was for you, especially at that
Speaker 2: age in your life. So going from finding out the diagnosis,
Speaker 2: how long were you going through cancer for and chemo
Speaker 2: and treatment and everything.
Speaker 4: While my cancer is like extremely cariable, I think in
Speaker 4: the eighty percent range, there is that other percent where
Speaker 4: you can relapse, and that did happen to me, and
Speaker 4: there was about a year lapse in there. Truth be told,
Speaker 4: I don't ever think I was fully in remission. You know,
Speaker 4: a lot of my family and my doctors kind of
Speaker 4: feel the same way. It was a very very minimal
Speaker 4: spot in my chest and what they call it, you're
Speaker 4: like your thomis and a lot of women like have
Speaker 4: it from just growing up and having like extra brush
Speaker 4: rest issue. So it was this little piece that wasn't
Speaker 4: necessarily worth a full biopsy because the last time they
Speaker 4: they would have to biopsy that area, you have to
Speaker 4: like deflate a lung and it's just a lot more invasive,
Speaker 4: and so at that point, I mean, we had all
Speaker 4: decided that it wasn't worth it. If it grew in
Speaker 4: like certain amounts, you know, we would address that then.
Speaker 4: So technically I was like in remission for a year,
Speaker 4: but I was diagnosed in like two of the nineteen
Speaker 4: and I was completely cancer free by February of twenty
Speaker 4: twenty two. So long duration there, but some oft times
Speaker 4: for sure. But yeah, that's kind of what that looks like.
Speaker 2: You know what everybody talks about going through chemo, who've
Speaker 2: gone through it, and it's just this very emotionally and
Speaker 2: physically tasking on your body. What was the chemo process
Speaker 2: like for you, Like, can you speak to some of that,
Speaker 2: because I think first person experience is a lot different
Speaker 2: than me seeing it and talking about it.
Speaker 5: Honestly, we're gonna feel like you were there through some
Speaker 5: of it.
Speaker 4: I Mean you always were checking in on me, so
Speaker 4: and that that's what got me through everything, is my friends.
Speaker 4: I mean, that support system was like no other. And
Speaker 4: I hope we get to get into that a little
Speaker 4: bit later because it seriously changed my life. But as
Speaker 4: far as like the treatment goes, I was very, very
Speaker 4: lucky the first time around. Physically I felt fine. I
Speaker 4: was still fairly active. Yeah, I would say like a
Speaker 4: couple of days after the infusion where you actually go
Speaker 4: to the doctor's office, you sit in that chair, and
Speaker 4: you get those medications injected into you. A couple of
Speaker 4: days after that, that's when it would set it about
Speaker 4: twenty four to forty eight hours. And I've always struggled
Speaker 4: with like acid reflux and sensitive stomach issues, so that's
Speaker 4: what I was most nervous about going into treatment, like
Speaker 4: how sick.
Speaker 5: It would make me.
Speaker 4: But I really really was physically lucky. The worst part
Speaker 4: of that was losing my hair, and I know, yeah,
Speaker 4: that's probably really a part you know about and I
Speaker 4: feel so silly when I get so upset about that,
Speaker 4: But that still to this day is like just was
Speaker 4: the most frustrating thing. I just you know, it just
Speaker 4: it made my confidence go down, and looking back at
Speaker 4: so silly to like feel that way, but it's something
Speaker 4: that to me, I always grew up with it being
Speaker 4: kind of one of my best features, something that was
Speaker 4: like complimented. And like I said, I hadn't been in
Speaker 4: love at that point, so I was just like, oh
Speaker 4: my god. You know, it was like the end of
Speaker 4: the world. But overall, you know, that was six months
Speaker 4: of treatment, starting in like July or August, I think
Speaker 4: after I'd found out in June of twenty nineteen, so
Speaker 4: I finished up that winter, and it was right before COVID,
Speaker 4: so that was its own transition in itself being immunocompromised.
Speaker 5: As you can imagine, I had moved.
Speaker 4: Back with my parents when I found out when I
Speaker 4: was diagnosed in Manhattan. Living in Manhattan still having my
Speaker 4: dub been through this, KU was like kind of the
Speaker 4: best place to go. So it was time to pick
Speaker 4: up my bags, move home, and just take my time
Speaker 4: to get healthy. And then, like I said, it was
Speaker 4: about a year until we did another biopsy of that
Speaker 4: chess peace finally and started that treatment, and that that
Speaker 4: was a whole different situation. I ended up undergoing a
Speaker 4: stem cell transplant WOW, otherwise known as like a bone
Speaker 4: marrow transplant. I did an autologous which it was my
Speaker 4: own cells, so it's not like I was, you know,
Speaker 4: donated cells or anything like that. But I mean, that
Speaker 4: is an amazing gesture if you have the opportunity to
Speaker 4: do it.
Speaker 5: I mean, it can really really help.
Speaker 4: It gave my mom several more years, so it's still
Speaker 4: just the whole process is really really really interesting to
Speaker 4: learn about.
Speaker 5: But that was tough.
Speaker 4: It was a really intense chemo seven days straight hours
Speaker 4: at a time. That was the most physically sick I
Speaker 4: felt in after a sentense of transplant. You're basically down
Speaker 4: to zero and blinking on the word but like all
Speaker 4: of your levels, like you're tassium, all these things, like
Speaker 4: it's basically at zero, so you have to self isolate
Speaker 4: for ninety days. You do have a caretaker, so I
Speaker 4: was at home. My mom was really helping me take care.
Speaker 5: At that point.
Speaker 4: I moved in and even was sharing a bathroom with
Speaker 4: my sister, and we weren't able to do that during
Speaker 4: this time, so she had to go use a different restroom.
Speaker 4: Just because of how important it is to like not
Speaker 4: get sick and get those Germans. If you do get
Speaker 4: a fever over like one hundred and one degrees you're
Speaker 4: admitted to the hospital. So that happened to me twice.
Speaker 4: And during that COVID year was very very lonesome. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but yeah, that was the most physically ill. I felt
Speaker 4: just a lot on my body, went weeks without eating.
Speaker 4: Was the smallest I ever have been. Yeah, it was tough.
Speaker 5: So I got a little bit of both worlds, if
Speaker 5: you will.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you got to levent variations of that.
Speaker 2: And I do remember I remember seeing you after you
Speaker 2: had gone in this isolation period or talking to I
Speaker 2: can't remember which one it was, because again, it was
Speaker 2: COVID times and that feels like a black hole in itself.
Speaker 2: I do remember really specifically talking to you after this year,
Speaker 2: like I'm so happy that this is over. You were like,
Speaker 2: I can't imagine having gone through one of the hardest
Speaker 2: things that you had just gone through, and then you
Speaker 2: had to be isolated on top of it. Now, I'm
Speaker 2: really glad that you had your mom to be this
Speaker 2: person and caregiver for you in that situation, and I
Speaker 2: imagine that that was probably so helpful to have such
Speaker 2: a close piece of your life that was the one
Speaker 2: that you could at least interact with that time period
Speaker 2: for both of you, guys, What was that like in
Speaker 2: that isolation period? What were things that you were trying
Speaker 2: to do? What was happening in those ninety days.
Speaker 4: Being told you have cancer and uprooting your life in Manhattan,
Speaker 4: working at a bar, in a school and just doing
Speaker 4: my thing, and immediately having to go back and like
Speaker 4: do this real adult like live shit, Sorry.
Speaker 3: You can cuss. It's okay.
Speaker 2: You deserve every cuss word that you would like to say,
Speaker 2: so just say heaven no.
Speaker 4: So it was tough at times. You know, I was angry.
Speaker 3: I was.
Speaker 4: I was in an angry spot, and I was therefore
Speaker 4: after I mean, it wasn't like you know, boom, I'm
Speaker 4: done with my one hundred ninety days whatever, and you
Speaker 4: know all as well. While I physically felt pretty good,
Speaker 4: there was still a lot of physically taxing things. I mean,
Speaker 4: after you essentially like lay in a bed for ninety days.
Speaker 4: And I think that's it was more of like a
Speaker 4: people I can think really relate to it. Because of
Speaker 4: the COVID timing, we were all forced kind of be
Speaker 4: close together. You probably fought, you know with the people
Speaker 4: that you're the closest with and so it was it
Speaker 4: was tough on a relationship. It was also in a
Speaker 4: sense like you know, I went through like some shame
Speaker 4: and embarrassment. I mean when you're you know, that's sick,
Speaker 4: Like there's a lot of things you just can't control.
Speaker 4: Like I would just I felt sick often and gets uncomfortable,
Speaker 4: but she would have to help me basically like do
Speaker 4: my laundry. I could, you know, really couldn't make it
Speaker 4: up and down the stairs without just like being like exhausted.
Speaker 4: And that just takes a toll on a relationship. But
Speaker 4: we I couldn't have done it without her. I mean
Speaker 4: she drove me to every doctor's appointment. I had to
Speaker 4: go daily during those times, and I just I really
Speaker 4: can't imagine it being anybody else next to me and
Speaker 4: helping me through that because she's just so caring and
Speaker 4: so nurturing, and yeah, if you've had the chance to
Speaker 4: meet her, like it's just the truth.
Speaker 5: So I'm very very fortunate to have had that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you also had mentioned at one point you were
Speaker 2: talking about the support system that you had not just
Speaker 2: with her, but also friends and family and people checking
Speaker 2: in on you. People feel like maybe when they message
Speaker 2: people especially as they're going through these things, You're like, Oh,
Speaker 2: I feel really bad. I don't want to make them
Speaker 2: talk about it, or I don't want to reach out
Speaker 2: to them.
Speaker 3: I don't want to bother them.
Speaker 2: But I feel like from the other side, that's a
Speaker 2: very helpful thing to do.
Speaker 3: Am I wrong or right in that.
Speaker 5: One hundred percent right?
Speaker 4: I mean it was truly looking back, I mean just
Speaker 4: being able to be that open with And I consider
Speaker 4: myself like a really just friendly person, Like I have
Speaker 4: a really like large, close knit group of friends and
Speaker 4: I never really felt I don't know, out of place
Speaker 4: like going to them. I felt more comfortable going to
Speaker 4: my friends, really honestly than my family at some points.
Speaker 4: And I think it's because I almost felt like a
Speaker 4: burden to my family and that's not the vibe they
Speaker 4: were giving at all. But I don't even know how
Speaker 4: to put it into words. The support I had barely
Speaker 4: started a job that you know, one of our best friends, Diane,
Speaker 4: had actually set me up with, and it was really
Speaker 4: something I've excited about because I had already gone through
Speaker 4: the cancer thing. I thought I was kind of done
Speaker 4: with it, and I start this job and then three
Speaker 4: months into it, you know, I find out I'm sick
Speaker 4: again and I'm like, oh my gosh, like what am
Speaker 4: I going to do? And at this point, I'm like,
Speaker 4: I know, I have to take three months off because
Speaker 4: I have to self isolate. And the support that I received,
Speaker 4: even from strangers, it was just life changing. Like I said,
Speaker 4: I'm just at a loss for words still to this
Speaker 4: day because it. I mean, they did so much for
Speaker 4: me after knowing me for three months. My boss set
Speaker 4: up a go fund me for me. It literally saved
Speaker 4: my life. I would probably still be in a lot
Speaker 4: of medical debt. I mean, it is never ending. And
Speaker 4: when you do transplants like this, I mean I have
Speaker 4: to still continue to go get stands, and I mean
Speaker 4: those things are aren't cheap as a person with a career,
Speaker 4: let alone a person who just quit their bartending job.
Speaker 5: And moved to Kansas City and you know, went through
Speaker 5: all that.
Speaker 2: So yeah, and I think that support system matters. I
Speaker 2: cannot imagine somebody going through something like that and their
Speaker 2: whole life changing and they don't have the support to
Speaker 2: do so.
Speaker 3: And I love that you had that. I love that
Speaker 3: it was a.
Speaker 2: Good experience, as the situation wasn't. I'm happy that that
Speaker 2: was the case for you. And I do imagine that
Speaker 2: the medical debt that's taken on with a serious illness
Speaker 2: is also the emotional toll that that takes on you.
Speaker 2: As that's happening, you're like sitting here, You're like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I have to fight for my life. I also have
Speaker 2: to survive, so I need to figure out my career.
Speaker 2: And oh also I have to pay all of these bills.
Speaker 2: That's not anything one human being should ever have to
Speaker 2: go through. Life is already hard, and then you throw
Speaker 2: that into the mix. I couldn't personally imagine. And that's
Speaker 2: why your story is so important, and sharing and talking
Speaker 2: about these things is important because you only see people
Speaker 2: going through things and you feel for them and you
Speaker 2: hurt for them.
Speaker 3: But to know what actually all goes into that and
Speaker 3: that time.
Speaker 2: And my heart just like it was always hurting for
Speaker 2: you while that was all happening, but it could never
Speaker 2: have hurt enough.
Speaker 3: I don't know if that makes any sense.
Speaker 4: No, one hundred percent. I even remember I got to
Speaker 4: come visit. I've visited here in Nashville an off time.
Speaker 4: I think I was wearing a wig at that point,
Speaker 4: but you were.
Speaker 3: You had your wigs.
Speaker 5: I have lots of whig friends and they're still around.
Speaker 3: To say, do you still have them? Like there's some
Speaker 3: more hanging out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I saved them, So I mean, I think I
Speaker 4: got rid of like one, but I ended up getting
Speaker 4: all the colored wigs and it was, you know, a
Speaker 4: fun time. But no, I mean, to echo what you said,
Speaker 4: there's so many like amazing relationships that came out of it.
Speaker 4: So that's why you know earlier I say like, unfortunately
Speaker 4: I blocked a lot of like I don't have a
Speaker 4: ton of memories from that time, but because I do
Speaker 4: think it was just subconsciously blocked out. But the relationships
Speaker 4: that came out of it, I have.
Speaker 2: To remember, like you were, you were trying to survive, right,
Speaker 2: you were literally your body was trying to survive a
Speaker 2: really hard thing. So blocking out I don't feel like
Speaker 2: that's not unnormal, you know what I mean. I feel
Speaker 2: like that's pretty normal for what you were experiencing.
Speaker 4: I think I chalk it up because truly, I mean,
Speaker 4: if you've heard the term pregnancy brain, like chemo brain.
Speaker 5: Is also a thing, and it is. I mean, it
Speaker 5: is so true. I still feel like it has its
Speaker 5: lasting effects today.
Speaker 4: But going back to the financial aspect of it too,
Speaker 4: I mean that really was a huge toll because at
Speaker 4: that time too, I was I was turning twenty six,
Speaker 4: I was getting kicked off my parents' insurance, and there
Speaker 4: was like a lot at stake there, And so that
Speaker 4: go fundy when I say it, like really really saved
Speaker 4: my life, like it truly did.
Speaker 5: And I'm just so fortunate and grateful.
Speaker 4: For like people who go out of their way to
Speaker 4: do things to support people like that, and I really
Speaker 4: always try to pay it back or pay it forward.
Speaker 4: And even on top of that, like, you know, a
Speaker 4: topic I love to shed light on is I was
Speaker 4: approached before my first time doing treatment saying, you know,
Speaker 4: it might be a good idea for you to consider,
Speaker 4: like saving your eggs, and I didn't.
Speaker 5: I didn't consider it at that time.
Speaker 4: I didn't go through with the process at that time
Speaker 4: because I really weigh out the risks and that goes
Speaker 4: into the money. And although I'm being told by a
Speaker 4: medical profession that this is something I should consider, it
Speaker 4: is not considered medically necessary and it was not covered
Speaker 4: by insurance. Having cancer, I was fortunate enough to be
Speaker 4: given the medication for free that is just a cancer thing.
Speaker 4: So I can only imagine women who are like going
Speaker 4: through autoimmune diseases and things like that, who don't even
Speaker 4: get a single discount on any of that process.
Speaker 5: And it is not.
Speaker 4: Cheap, you know, And that I ended up going through
Speaker 4: it the second time because the severity of the treatment
Speaker 4: was so much more And I'm still paying that for
Speaker 4: my eggs to be frozen, and I'm so grateful I
Speaker 4: did that process. It was really really enlightening and just
Speaker 4: empowering as a woman, and I'm grateful to have those
Speaker 4: eggs to fall back on being I just turned thirty
Speaker 4: this year, and I don't know what that fate looks
Speaker 4: like for me based on what I've been through health wise.
Speaker 4: So that is something that was like also not only
Speaker 4: like mentally exhausting to think through at that time when
Speaker 4: you're not in a relationship, you haven't really experienced your
Speaker 4: first love, you're not even sure if you want to
Speaker 4: have kids. But that was just, you know, it's just
Speaker 4: like another thing that I think people don't realize until
Speaker 4: you're really in it, how much more there.
Speaker 3: Is as just like a human being who's not experiencing it.
Speaker 2: That's a tough conversation, A tough call to make and
Speaker 2: to spend money in that direction of like, do I
Speaker 2: finally make this decision? And as you're going through things,
Speaker 2: you're like, oh wait, I also have to think about
Speaker 2: my future five years from now.
Speaker 3: I'm not even sure what's happening right now.
Speaker 2: I commend you also, Tori, because you are such a
Speaker 2: beautiful soul. You always have been before all of this
Speaker 2: and after all of this, but also through all of this,
Speaker 2: like you stayed who you were. You did not let
Speaker 2: the things that were happening to you truly make you
Speaker 2: hard and hate the world than you could have. You
Speaker 2: could have chosen that, and I don't think anybody would
Speaker 2: have blamed you, but you chose not to. And I
Speaker 2: think that's a testament to who you are as a
Speaker 2: human being and your family and your friends and the
Speaker 2: people you surround yourself with.
Speaker 3: But also I just hope you know that at.
Speaker 4: The end of the day, thank you, I mean not recognition,
Speaker 4: And it really means a lot, because, like I said
Speaker 4: in the beginning, I feel like my journey went a
Speaker 4: little under the radar. Not again, like I had so
Speaker 4: much support and so many people reaching out to me,
Speaker 4: but for me. I just wanted to get it done
Speaker 4: and get it over with. So to just to even
Speaker 4: be asked to do this and like find myself making
Speaker 4: some sort of like an impact or my journey made
Speaker 4: an impact, you know, makes it worth it.
Speaker 5: So hearing that is I mean, it is really like fulfilling.
Speaker 3: So thank you, of course you are.
Speaker 2: And I don't say that just to tell you because
Speaker 2: you're my friend, Like I genuinely mean that.
Speaker 3: I think you're You've always been a great person.
Speaker 2: But for anybody to go through something, especially the things
Speaker 2: that you were going through and still choose hope, enjoy
Speaker 2: and love and positivity and now you have found potentially
Speaker 2: the love of your life, I think it's just really cool.
Speaker 2: And I think it's a testament to how strong we
Speaker 2: are when we don't even know it.
Speaker 3: And that was you. You had the strength all along.
Speaker 2: It just the world was testing you on a lot
Speaker 2: of different fronts and you had to keep choosing it
Speaker 2: over and over and over again.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's weird, like thinking about it all and time,
Speaker 4: I haven't sat down and really like talked about it
Speaker 4: like this.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know ever.
Speaker 3: Probably no, you again, you're like, okay, that part of
Speaker 3: my life is over. We're going to move forward.
Speaker 2: But I'm like, hey, Tori, you want to you want
Speaker 2: to talk about a really hard time.
Speaker 3: I'm so sorry, but I love you and you deserve
Speaker 3: to talk about it.
Speaker 4: With that being said, so there's a quote that I
Speaker 4: found pretty early on in my journey, and I so
Speaker 4: a lot of how I tried to pass the time
Speaker 4: was I love like calligraphy, I love coloring. I don't know,
Speaker 4: I'm just kind of into that that sort of stuff.
Speaker 4: So I really took that on, you know. Unfortunately, I
Speaker 4: will say a long term side effect I've gotten from
Speaker 4: treatment is I have a really really bad tremor and
Speaker 4: I'm left handed, and it's it's it's when your muscles
Speaker 4: are like activated. And I haven't been able to really
Speaker 4: write or like do as much coloring. And I wasn't
Speaker 4: able to when I was really deep in the medicine then.
Speaker 4: But I brought this book out. I don't know if
Speaker 4: you guys and see it, but I wrote like some
Speaker 4: quotes in here, like one of my favorites that I
Speaker 4: just recently shared with a friend of mine. She just
Speaker 4: recently got married this year, and her fiance essentially like
Speaker 4: suffered a stroke and simultaneously has found out that there
Speaker 4: is like heart conditions involved in things like this, and
Speaker 4: it's been really tough to like see her go through this.
Speaker 5: And we've been you know, chatting, and she messaged me back.
Speaker 4: I don't have to come off like conceded or anything,
Speaker 4: but she messaged me back and she was like that
Speaker 4: message you sent me was like one of the best
Speaker 4: I've received, Like, thank you so much. And I can't
Speaker 4: remember exactly what I said. It's just like, you know,
Speaker 4: keep your head down, like get through things and lean
Speaker 4: on your.
Speaker 5: People and that kind of thing.
Speaker 4: But I'll read the quote and it's it's one day
Speaker 4: you will tell your story of how you overcame what
Speaker 4: you're going through right now, and it will become a
Speaker 4: part of someone else's survival.
Speaker 1: Guy.
Speaker 4: And I just love that because it stuck to me
Speaker 4: back then because I was sitting next to folks who
Speaker 4: had been going through treatment for months or I mean
Speaker 4: a couple even years, and you know, I met really
Speaker 4: great people out of that experience and what they were
Speaker 4: able to share with me like helped me get through
Speaker 4: that process.
Speaker 5: So I can only.
Speaker 4: Hope that, like going forward, when people are going through
Speaker 4: these tough times that like the words and advice that
Speaker 4: I can offer, can it can help in just like
Speaker 4: some little way because I was given like so much
Speaker 4: help and love and kindness and that's just like one
Speaker 4: thing that took away from me. And it's becoming really
Speaker 4: relevant in the last like several weeks with telling her that,
Speaker 4: and now I'm being asked to, like, you know, talk
Speaker 4: to you, and it just it just like comes full circle.
Speaker 3: I guess you are.
Speaker 2: You are making a difference and sharing your story will
Speaker 2: help people. It's also going to help people who are
Speaker 2: part of somebody else's journey, right, And then like I
Speaker 2: heard this and this may be what you're feeling.
Speaker 3: Maybe this episode will help you.
Speaker 2: What is the book that you just read that out
Speaker 2: of just so people you can hold it up.
Speaker 5: Well, it's it's just like a journal.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, you have like a whole journal.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so you can see it had its moments. But
Speaker 4: I this is more for my first journey. It's kind
Speaker 4: of cool to I have a couple examples, but I
Speaker 4: did pictures of every friend that came and visited me.
Speaker 5: Well that was before I cut my hair.
Speaker 2: But do you feel like that helped you, Like really
Speaker 2: go through your emotions or something more for you after
Speaker 2: the fact.
Speaker 4: I think I'm a.
Speaker 5: Little bit of both. I like I said, I kind
Speaker 5: of like doing that like stuff.
Speaker 4: And well, what really started it is my friend that
Speaker 4: I had worked with at the school actually, who had
Speaker 4: witnessed how exhausted I was, and all of my coworkers
Speaker 4: were like, okay, like this is like crazy, like it
Speaker 4: makes sense. She ended up sending me every single treatment,
Speaker 4: I would get like a little card in the mail,
Speaker 4: and they had just had like different inspiring quotes and stuff,
Speaker 4: and that's what really urged me to start. So they're
Speaker 4: like on most of these pages and I have so
Speaker 4: many of them, and I kind of just coincided the
Speaker 4: quotes with like a picture from that day, maybe the
Speaker 4: conversation that me and my friend had while I was
Speaker 4: getting treatment. I don't know that's what really kind of
Speaker 4: jump started it. But I just thought it was so cute,
Speaker 4: like getting these little cards just I.
Speaker 5: Don't know that just my vibe, I guess.
Speaker 3: But no, I think that's got me through it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna say, like, I think that's something
Speaker 2: so easy that people are able to do for others
Speaker 2: that are going through this like, this is why we
Speaker 2: talk about these things. I would have never known cards
Speaker 2: like that one existed to this you know capacity, and
Speaker 2: too that it would be helpful to somebody. So again, like,
Speaker 2: you are sharing a story that's impactful, that matters, and
Speaker 2: it's your story and it's a story of survival and
Speaker 2: hope and you've done wonders with it.
Speaker 3: So I hope you continue to feel that way. Thank you.
Speaker 4: I was like looking up to see if the brand
Speaker 4: name was on there, but it's not. It's okay, so.
Speaker 2: It's probably on Etsy somewhere.
Speaker 5: It's nice, like reminiscing on those kinds of things.
Speaker 4: I even, like made really good friends with my nurse
Speaker 4: Carlene and we still talk to this day.
Speaker 5: She's amazing. And I was.
Speaker 4: Very ready to move out of my parents' house after treatment,
Speaker 4: as you can imagine, and I would get, you know,
Speaker 4: I would take every chance I could get to tell
Speaker 4: Carlen that, And so I was super excited to tell
Speaker 4: Carleen when I got my lease for my first apartment
Speaker 4: to live in on my own, and I was like,
Speaker 4: there's this cute patio and I can't wait.
Speaker 5: To get it done.
Speaker 4: And she called me one day out of the blue
Speaker 4: right before Christmas and was like, are you are you home?
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh my gosh, yes, you know, I'm like
Speaker 4: starting to clean everything. She said, no, no, no, you can
Speaker 4: just come downstairs. And I go down stairs and her
Speaker 4: and her husband had backed up their pickup truck and
Speaker 4: he had built me a beautiful bench with a side
Speaker 4: table that's on my on my deck, you know, right now.
Speaker 5: And it was literally one of the most.
Speaker 4: Thoughtful gifts I've ever received in my entire life. And
Speaker 4: it's just those are the things that I carry with
Speaker 4: me now, and those are the things, Like I said,
Speaker 4: so many good relationships came out of it.
Speaker 5: But I like to share that story too, So thanks
Speaker 5: for letting me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because nurses and doctors they do incredible work, and
Speaker 2: you know, especially nurses don't get the credit that they deserve.
Speaker 2: And I love that you got to have that relationship
Speaker 2: and have one that is still meaningful today and again.
Speaker 3: A great reminder of your strength.
Speaker 2: I mean I would look at that bench and see
Speaker 2: every time like, okay I did that, like there was
Speaker 2: a reason that this happened so amazing. I do want
Speaker 2: to end on good no, if you will, but if
Speaker 2: there's something you could tell anybody, whether it's somebody going
Speaker 2: through cancer, somebody who's supporting somebody going through cancer, what
Speaker 2: is something that you like wish everybody would know or
Speaker 2: they would.
Speaker 5: Hear just having an understanding that in the end.
Speaker 4: That's tough to say because not everyone like makes it
Speaker 4: through it. But I just feel like being present and
Speaker 4: being able to like fully listen and just kind of
Speaker 4: accept for where people are at in the process is
Speaker 4: the most important. And I think what my friends and
Speaker 4: family did so well with is not you know, like
Speaker 4: it's gonna be okay. Because I did have a very
Speaker 4: cureable cancer. I had a light at the end of
Speaker 4: the tunnel that I was really sure I was going
Speaker 4: to get to. And I think just recognizing that while yes,
Speaker 4: i'll you know, be there, I'm still here right now.
Speaker 4: So I think just you know, giving grace and where
Speaker 4: people are at in that process is probably the most important.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, that's a really good one, And I think that's
Speaker 2: a good thing for people to remember, because I think
Speaker 2: it's quick to tell people be like, you're gonna be fine,
Speaker 2: It's gonna be okay. We naturally want to do that
Speaker 2: because of course, you don't want to be like, oh,
Speaker 2: you're not gonna be okay, But it is also kind
Speaker 2: of like a band aid versus just being like, hey,
Speaker 2: I'm here for you whatever you need. I think that's
Speaker 2: something somebody would rather hear more than you're gonna be okay.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I hate like I'm never one to you know,
Speaker 4: because I get in situations I'm like, what, I don't
Speaker 4: know what to say to make this better.
Speaker 5: I don't.
Speaker 4: Sometimes you get lucky and you do say the right thing,
Speaker 4: and sometimes it's just not what they're looking to hear.
Speaker 4: But I mean, just yeah, being like your genuine self,
Speaker 4: like you said, you know, I'm here.
Speaker 5: I'm here to listen to you. Like, It's just it
Speaker 5: goes a long way.
Speaker 3: Well, Tory, thank you for sharing your story.
Speaker 2: Thank you for opening up about something that is very
Speaker 2: difficult and a very hard time of your life.
Speaker 3: But I do think it matters. I think your story
Speaker 3: is important to hear, So thank you for sharing it.
Speaker 5: Thank you, Morgan.
Speaker 4: I really appreciate you letting me on. This is so exciting.
Speaker 3: I'm joined right now by Simone Jisandi.
Speaker 2: She's a published author and focus is on the education
Speaker 2: of holistic cancer therapies and disease reversal and just natural health.
Speaker 2: And I'm so excited to welcome you on Simone. How
Speaker 2: are you Morgan? Thank you so much for having me on.
Speaker 2: I'm fantastic and I really can't wait for our conversation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is going to.
Speaker 2: Be really exciting that you know, I've in the last
Speaker 2: several years of my life have really been focused on
Speaker 2: natural health and holistic approaches. I think once we know better,
Speaker 2: we do better in all facets of our life. And
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people are learning about this,
Speaker 2: and a big focus is going to be talking about
Speaker 2: holistic cancer therapies. But I want to start this with
Speaker 2: tell me how and why you got into this line
Speaker 2: of work.
Speaker 1: Well, when it comes to holistic health overall, I myself
Speaker 1: had my own I would call it medical event and
Speaker 1: health scare back in twenty eleven I had a stroke.
Speaker 1: But my journey goes back much further. I got into
Speaker 1: health overall. So back in two thousand and seven, I
Speaker 1: wanted to teach people how to eat right. I was
Speaker 1: doing fitness shows. I really knew how to get the
Speaker 1: body composition down. And then of course the stroke came,
Speaker 1: which was in twenty eleven, and Shortly thereafter, my father
Speaker 1: actually was diagnosed with his first cat he had two.
Speaker 1: Luckily he's doing amazing and thriving. So it kind of
Speaker 1: took me on this journey and I had to expand
Speaker 1: on everything that I had learned from the initial journey
Speaker 1: that I started with nutrition. I wanted to see what
Speaker 1: more is there out there in the realm of health
Speaker 1: that we could help others or ourselves to actually thrive,
Speaker 1: not just be healthy, but actually thrive. So that's been
Speaker 1: the in a nutshell, that's been the journey.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And so tell me when you say you found some
Speaker 2: different ways to kind of help ourselves and help others,
Speaker 2: especially when it comes to our diet, what are some
Speaker 2: of those things that you found.
Speaker 1: So when it comes to nutrition, I mean, the epicenter
Speaker 1: of health is really our gut. And I know that
Speaker 1: a lot of people out there speak of gut health,
Speaker 1: and it's actually so true. And if you look even
Speaker 1: in the way that we are actually when we are
Speaker 1: in utero, so during our developm, it's actually the digestive
Speaker 1: system that is first to develop.
Speaker 3: So the digestive.
Speaker 1: System, and as we know, there are many neurotransmitters that
Speaker 1: are actually made in the gut. So even our mental
Speaker 1: health depends so much on our digestive system and therefore
Speaker 1: what we put in the body, which are the raw
Speaker 1: elements and the raw materials that the body uses to
Speaker 1: put together tissues and organs and even organ systems and
Speaker 1: neurotransmitters and enzymes and hormones. That all comes from food,
Speaker 1: and that all comes from the nutrients that we put
Speaker 1: in the body. So it's so so important. When we
Speaker 1: are deficient and the nutrients necessary, then we suffer. And
Speaker 1: without those nutrients there can be no health. And this
Speaker 1: has been proven time and time again. So there's a
Speaker 1: lot of scientific backup to these claims, and a lot
Speaker 1: of the doctors in the holistic health space, and actually
Speaker 1: in large part even in the allopathic doctors do recognize
Speaker 1: that we do have to eat in line with the
Speaker 1: end results that we want for our health, especially in
Speaker 1: the space of diabetes. Everybody knows that you know, what
Speaker 1: we put in our mouth, especially when it comes to
Speaker 1: our blood sugar levels, in large part determines whether that
Speaker 1: disease type two diabetes is going to come or not,
Speaker 1: and very easily reversible if we actually change the diet.
Speaker 1: So the diet is one of the foundational things to health,
Speaker 1: especially because while we eat every day, so what we
Speaker 1: put in our body will show up in the body
Speaker 1: and on the body. So absolutely nutrition is that important.
Speaker 2: So and when you look at nutrition, obviously, I never
Speaker 2: I've never believed in this one size you know, fits
Speaker 2: all for different people. But I am curious when it
Speaker 2: comes to diet and nutrition, is there proven specific things
Speaker 2: that we should all be consuming or is it really
Speaker 2: based on genetics and the things that are in your
Speaker 2: body that you have to kind of cater your nutrition
Speaker 2: style too.
Speaker 1: I think in large part there are very large overarching
Speaker 1: factors that do apply to us all. So we do
Speaker 1: all have to have certain components and certain nutrients in
Speaker 1: the body. We definitely need minerals, so we need a micronutrients.
Speaker 1: We also need a macronutrients, So a large part everybody
Speaker 1: needs those components as part of their diet. But then
Speaker 1: when we kind of drill down further, we have to
Speaker 1: optimize for what we are looking to optimize for. So
Speaker 1: for a pregnant woman, she has to optimize, she has
Speaker 1: to eat to optimize for the pregnancy and for the
Speaker 1: development of the baby. If you're looking to do a
Speaker 1: fitness competition, or if you want to do anything in
Speaker 1: the health in the sports arena, you want to make
Speaker 1: sure you optimize for that. So you want to eat
Speaker 1: in line with what you want the end result to be,
Speaker 1: your desired outcome. If you want to reverse disease, then
Speaker 1: you have to optimize for that. If you want to
Speaker 1: eliminate cancer, you have to eat to optimize for that.
Speaker 1: And it's very much intertwined with the lifestyle as well.
Speaker 1: As we know, sleep plays an important and absolutely huge
Speaker 1: role as well as connecting to nature, having access to
Speaker 1: fresh air, having access to sunlight. The body converts that
Speaker 1: to vitamin D, which is in fact actually a hormone,
Speaker 1: So all of these factors actually play together so overarchingly, Yes,
Speaker 1: we do have many rules that apply to us all,
Speaker 1: but then when we drill down further, we have to
Speaker 1: optimize for our desired outcome wherever we are on our journey.
Speaker 2: So let's start with the overarching What are those kind
Speaker 2: of things that we all need and we should all be,
Speaker 2: you know, because if somebody's listening to this and they
Speaker 2: want to start and they want to do better, what
Speaker 2: are these first steps, especially when it comes to the
Speaker 2: diet that they can start adding, they should start changing.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, you need access to the macronutrients which are facts.
Speaker 1: So clean fats. We're not talking about trans fats, none
Speaker 1: of the stuff that comes from the deep fried stuff
Speaker 1: that we see in fast food restaurants, but definitely clean
Speaker 1: fats that we get from things like avocados and nuts.
Speaker 1: We also need clean proteins, so if you are a
Speaker 1: meat eater, absolutely make sure that it's organic and as
Speaker 1: clean as possible from fish as well as of course carbohydrates.
Speaker 1: And that's actually very tricky because a lot of people
Speaker 1: believe that you have to consume bread and you have
Speaker 1: to consume pastas and cereals, and in fact, a lot
Speaker 1: of the carbohydrates that we get actually come from vegetables,
Speaker 1: and a lot of the vegetables provide us not only
Speaker 1: with the carbohydrate content, but also with the fiber that
Speaker 1: we need so that we can actually be able to
Speaker 1: go to the bathroom and not have any of those
Speaker 1: digestive issues that play a role as well as even
Speaker 1: fiber is very important for diabetes, very very important to
Speaker 1: be able to keep the blood sugar leveled. So those
Speaker 1: are the overarching ones. Now, So those are the macronutrients.
Speaker 1: Now the micronutrients so micro meaning the smaller ones would
Speaker 1: be the vitamins and minerals. A lot of people are
Speaker 1: very deficient and a lot of the minerals that we
Speaker 1: need typically found in water when the water comes from
Speaker 1: a good, clean source. Magnesium is one of the most
Speaker 1: important nutrients that we have in almost everybody's deficient, so
Speaker 1: that's something that absolutely needs to be supplemented. There are
Speaker 1: other ones. Zinc is a very important one of course
Speaker 1: for those that are low, and iron then that's an
Speaker 1: important one. Selenium I think is highly overlooked and would
Speaker 1: be great for as an anti cancer nutrient. So those
Speaker 1: are the things, and of course hydration I don't want
Speaker 1: to forget one of the most important one. It's so
Speaker 1: so important that we're properly hydrated. We don't have to
Speaker 1: look at it only as consuming water because we have
Speaker 1: to be hydrated at cellular level. And oftentimes you see
Speaker 1: that a lot of people drink water and then they
Speaker 1: just go to the washroom and pier right out. It's
Speaker 1: important when we drink it for our body to actually
Speaker 1: absorb it and for it to get into the cells.
Speaker 1: So when that's the case, then the body retains it,
Speaker 1: It actually takes it and puts it to good use.
Speaker 1: But a lot of times you see that people become endemic,
Speaker 1: so they actually have that water retention swelling kind of look,
Speaker 1: and they don't absorb it into the tissues or they
Speaker 1: just pee it out. So that's important. You have to
Speaker 1: have all the systems work optimally and running on all
Speaker 1: cylinders for us to actually experience true health.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, this is so much good information, and I
Speaker 2: just feel like you just gave us a wealth of
Speaker 2: knowledge in somewhere to really start, even just a basis
Speaker 2: when you say that we really need to make sure
Speaker 2: water on a cellular level is getting us.
Speaker 1: How can we make sure that's happening. So a lot
Speaker 1: of hydration actually is much better received when we take
Speaker 1: it in through our food, so fruits, for example, especially
Speaker 1: juicy ones, so things like of course oranges or grapes, watermelons, apples.
Speaker 1: That hydration that's in the actual fruit comes into the
Speaker 1: cells when it comes in with the nutrients, and in fact,
Speaker 1: it has such great ratios of all those micronutrients that
Speaker 1: I was talking about earlier, So it has a lot
Speaker 1: of the vitamins and a lot of the minerals, so
Speaker 1: you're actually really feeding the cells because they do need
Speaker 1: access to all those nutrients not only to be able
Speaker 1: to carry out their own functions, but also to be
Speaker 1: able to maintain their own health. So think of us,
Speaker 1: we have to be healthy to be able to go
Speaker 1: and do our jobs. If we're sick, we have to
Speaker 1: stay home and rest. So the cells actually operate in
Speaker 1: the same way. They have to be able to be
Speaker 1: healthy for themselves, and then they have to be healthy
Speaker 1: be able to carry out their functions their jobs that
Speaker 1: they are obviously there to do. So, for example, when
Speaker 1: we need to have very healthy lungs so that we
Speaker 1: can actually be able to get access to the oxygen
Speaker 1: to be able to breathe, when those cells are actually
Speaker 1: not healthy. So a lot of people who let's say
Speaker 1: smoke and do damage to their to their cells and
Speaker 1: their lungs, actually those cells start to die and then
Speaker 1: we lose function of that tissue. So it's important for
Speaker 1: us to give all the tissues what they need. So
Speaker 1: when it comes to hydration, it's so well received when
Speaker 1: it comes not just through regular water, especially because water
Speaker 1: is more solvent than anything else, so it's important to
Speaker 1: get it from fruits and vegetables, so things like celery.
Speaker 1: Celery is a high water content. It has actually a
Speaker 1: lot of minerals. The most important salt is found in
Speaker 1: celery and in cucumbers.
Speaker 2: Okay, this is so interesting because you know, I wish
Speaker 2: these are things that they really taught us in school
Speaker 2: so we could understand these fruits and vegetables and how
Speaker 2: they're helping us. And the way that you have just
Speaker 2: described in such a very basic but also important way
Speaker 2: is so cool and I so appreciate that because I
Speaker 2: wish somebody would have broke that down for me when
Speaker 2: I was sixteen years old and really shaping my you
Speaker 2: know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's important that we have these kind of because
Speaker 1: these are for life, right, It's for the way that
Speaker 1: we experience life. We want to be able to enjoy health,
Speaker 1: to be able to enjoy other aspects of life, and foundationally,
Speaker 1: health is the number one thing that we can have
Speaker 1: because even if we get access to riches, if we're
Speaker 1: in a hospital bed fighting for our life, how we're
Speaker 1: going to be how are we going to be able
Speaker 1: to enjoy let's say riches in the sense of monetary riches.
Speaker 1: Millions of dollars. Would you be able to travel if
Speaker 1: you have to be in a hospital bed fighting for
Speaker 1: your life?
Speaker 3: Of course not so.
Speaker 1: Foundationally, yes, it's important, and it's important to start early,
Speaker 1: especially during developmental stages. So as children, when our tissues
Speaker 1: and our organs and our systems develop, it's so important
Speaker 1: that we set those stages and we set the habits
Speaker 1: at that point because those are the things that we're
Speaker 1: going to do throughout life, and it is then that
Speaker 1: we are going to be able to enjoy the health
Speaker 1: that we foundationally build on as time passes. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it would be so wonderful if we could get these
Speaker 1: things early on in childhood and taught in school.
Speaker 2: Now, I do want to you know, I have one
Speaker 2: of my friends on in this episode. Her name's Tori,
Speaker 2: and she had a blood cancer. And there's kind of
Speaker 2: two aspects I want to talk to you about with this.
Speaker 2: But when you talk about things that cancer patients, when
Speaker 2: you're helping them holistically.
Speaker 3: What are the ways that you're doing.
Speaker 2: Now you mentioned diet, and we can kind of break
Speaker 2: that down a little bit, but is there other ways too?
Speaker 3: So that's kind of the overarching.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, so the way that I approach it, and this
Speaker 1: is the way that I approached it, even with my father,
Speaker 1: is a nutritional detoxification. So what that means is we
Speaker 1: want to give the body an opportunity to detoxify, so
Speaker 1: we want to be able to get rid as much
Speaker 1: of us much of the toxic low that we accumulate
Speaker 1: through life, and that's from lifestyle of course, as well
Speaker 1: as poor dietary habits. A lot of times, and much
Speaker 1: like what you just said, we don't know that some
Speaker 1: of the things that we consume are actually detrimental to health.
Speaker 1: And we take for granted that our body is able
Speaker 1: to actually sustain so many offenses over time, and we
Speaker 1: never know when that time comes to an end and
Speaker 1: we get that diagnosis. So nutritional detoxification means that you
Speaker 1: take in certain foods that allows your body to cleanse
Speaker 1: and to detoxify, but also be taking in nutrients to
Speaker 1: be able to support the tissue so that they have
Speaker 1: access to some of the fuel and what they need
Speaker 1: to be able to continue to function and.
Speaker 3: Fight for you.
Speaker 1: So that's the number one thing, And of course detoxification
Speaker 1: also kind of bleeds into the lifestyle aspect because we
Speaker 1: don't want to take in extra toxins, and I'm talking
Speaker 1: about from even let's say, cleaning products that we use
Speaker 1: in our house. Because what we do is we inhale
Speaker 1: the vapors from some of the cleaning products. We get
Speaker 1: it on our skin and we absorb it into the body.
Speaker 1: It also disrupts a lot of our hormones and it
Speaker 1: as it takes a lot for the body to try
Speaker 1: to mitigate that while it's also trying to address the cancer.
Speaker 1: So foundationally, through the diet, I do a lot of
Speaker 1: nutritional detoxification, but again I also sort of weave that
Speaker 1: in with lifestyle, and I also speaking of the diet aspect,
Speaker 1: I believe that it's important to give the body and
Speaker 1: especially the digestive system a break from constantly sifting through
Speaker 1: the nutrients that we take in and being able to
Speaker 1: sort of get them to the proper tissues. So oftentimes
Speaker 1: what I do, and of course it's very different depending
Speaker 1: on I try to meet the patient where they're at,
Speaker 1: what stage they are, whether it's a first cancer, secondary cancer.
Speaker 1: A lot of fasting. So I'm actually going to have
Speaker 1: a conversation with doctor bald Longos, who is coming out
Speaker 1: of I believe a university in California, and he's just
Speaker 1: released a second book, and I know that he did
Speaker 1: a lot of research on the idea of fasting, so
Speaker 1: he's the one who actually developed a fasting mimicking diet
Speaker 1: so that you can give your digestive system what it
Speaker 1: needs a break to be able to sort of get
Speaker 1: itself at that level of health so that it can
Speaker 1: actually fight the cancer, be able to allocate the necessary
Speaker 1: thing where they need to be so that we can
Speaker 1: fight the cancer. And of course the immune system does
Speaker 1: a lot of that work, but it works in concert
Speaker 1: with other tissues and other systems, right, so that we
Speaker 1: can actually give the body as much of a fighting
Speaker 1: chance to be able to come on the other side healthy.
Speaker 1: And ideally you would be able to approach it only
Speaker 1: from a holistic perspective, but I've worked with a lot
Speaker 1: of people and even my dad actually went and sought
Speaker 1: help in the allopathic community, so he did a lot
Speaker 1: of therapies in the traditional way, so chemo therapy and radiation,
Speaker 1: and then we want to be able to also give
Speaker 1: the body a fighting chance because a lot of those
Speaker 1: traditional therapies actually kill indiscriminately, so they kill the cancer cells,
Speaker 1: but they also kill the healthy cells, so we want
Speaker 1: to make sure that we keep those in as strong
Speaker 1: a state as possible, and that's why nutrition is so important.
Speaker 1: You want to give them those nutrients that helps them
Speaker 1: become stronger and be able to continue fighting through the
Speaker 1: cancer journey.
Speaker 2: Wow, it's so it's so cool just how much our
Speaker 2: body takes on for us.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, and it.
Speaker 2: Fights for us as well, but you know, we're just
Speaker 2: we're putting it through the ringer all the time, and
Speaker 2: I don't know that we truly appreciate all that it
Speaker 2: does for us, you know, day to day life.
Speaker 3: Especially as I hear you talking about that, and it's.
Speaker 2: Anyone I imagine who has fought cancer or been with
Speaker 2: someone fighting cancer. You just you want to take that
Speaker 2: pain away. And it sounds like one of those things
Speaker 2: you can do to really help, and that is help
Speaker 2: them with their diet in a way that you know
Speaker 2: you're giving them. Everybody always wants to send food when
Speaker 2: somebody goes through something, so maybe we send food that
Speaker 2: is very nutritionally helpful for them, and you know that
Speaker 2: would also be a good benefit.
Speaker 3: So I just love.
Speaker 2: That you're sharing all this and the science behind all
Speaker 2: of it. So you had also mentioned environmental, which it's
Speaker 2: so big right now. Everybody's very much paying attention to
Speaker 2: what they're consuming, what's around them, But environmentally, in just
Speaker 2: a average household, what are the things we should be
Speaker 2: paying attention to that could be causing cancer or diseases
Speaker 2: and us that we just may not even realize.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. Absolutely, So we have to make sure
Speaker 1: first of all, and I know that there's a lot
Speaker 1: of people out there talking about mold toxicity, so we
Speaker 1: want to make sure that our environment, our living environment,
Speaker 1: is obviously clean. So that's one thing. Candles, actually scented
Speaker 1: candles or any of the scented products that people like,
Speaker 1: those plugins and things of that nature, we just inhale
Speaker 1: all that toxicity and our body has to mitigate all
Speaker 1: of that. So if you have an active cancer, whether
Speaker 1: irrespective of what organ it's in or where it's located,
Speaker 1: the body is obviously sending all the immune cells to
Speaker 1: be able to bite this. And then imagine if now
Speaker 1: the body also has to mitigate the damage that this
Speaker 1: is doing to you. And oftentimes what happens with cancer
Speaker 1: patients is that they approach So let's talk about let's
Speaker 1: say those people that do the traditional therapies like my
Speaker 1: father did, Like I was telling you so, chemotherapy, radiation,
Speaker 1: or even surgery, but in the meantime, their lifestyle remains
Speaker 1: the same. So they look at it as this particular
Speaker 1: therapy is going to get rid of the cancer, but
Speaker 1: they do the very things that has actually brought the
Speaker 1: cancer to begin with. So it's so so important even
Speaker 1: if you do go down the path of doing traditional therapies,
Speaker 1: that you really take into account and do an inventory
Speaker 1: of what was I doing to get me here. It
Speaker 1: was such a great wake up call, and now I
Speaker 1: have such an amazing opportunity to be able to take
Speaker 1: a look and be able to make the changes that
Speaker 1: are going to give me such an amazing fighting chance
Speaker 1: to be able to overcome this. So absolutely, the lifestyle
Speaker 1: in the homes, as I mentioned earlier, the cleaning supply,
Speaker 1: So a lot of people use a lot of cleaning
Speaker 1: things that are actually so detrimental to health and very toxic.
Speaker 1: So the candles or anything scented for that matter, as
Speaker 1: well as personal products. So the things that we use
Speaker 1: that we put on our skin, So the skin is
Speaker 1: actually what holds things from going inside the body. It's
Speaker 1: our protective mechanism. It's the largest organ. However, we have
Speaker 1: to look at what do we put on it that
Speaker 1: we give it. It's a doorway to the internal environment,
Speaker 1: and that if the cancers on the inside do we
Speaker 1: want to bring in extra toxicity that the body now
Speaker 1: has to also mitigate in addition to the poor air
Speaker 1: quality that we inhale every day, which we don't have
Speaker 1: much control over, as well as some of the things
Speaker 1: that we have in the household and a lot of
Speaker 1: off gasing things from let's say, furniture or carpets, things
Speaker 1: of that nature. Even in cars, so even in our
Speaker 1: personal vehicles. When you buy a new car, that new
Speaker 1: car smell.
Speaker 3: Is so toxic. Also, the clothes that we wear, a lot.
Speaker 1: Of them are actually like those ones that are supposed
Speaker 1: to withstand fire, are actually coated with something that is
Speaker 1: so toxic. So things like that, and of course, even
Speaker 1: in an environment that you go to, is important not
Speaker 1: to sort of expose yourself to the things. You have
Speaker 1: to take ownership of your health and not put yourself
Speaker 1: in environments that are actually going to be detrimental to you.
Speaker 3: Now I know I.
Speaker 2: Can hear all of those things, and as someone who
Speaker 2: has been actively really trying to focus on the products
Speaker 2: that I'm buying, the things that I'm bringing into my home,
Speaker 2: even changing pots and pans.
Speaker 3: And only using glass and stainless steel.
Speaker 2: It's overwhelming because when you look at all of it
Speaker 2: and you see the financial aspect of it, there's just
Speaker 2: so many steps that happen with this that can be
Speaker 2: very overwhelming. So when we're looking at products like let's
Speaker 2: focus on cleaning products and personal products and things of
Speaker 2: that nature, when you're seeing things like uncented and they're organic,
Speaker 2: is that the kind of words you're looking for or
Speaker 2: is there something else we should be paying attention to.
Speaker 4: Yes.
Speaker 1: And for example, so for reproductive cancers, especially for US women,
Speaker 1: bleached tampons, and I've posted a whole bunch of stuff
Speaker 1: on socials about how detrimental some of these products are
Speaker 1: for women. So tampons that are made with bleached cotton,
Speaker 1: the chemicals that they use to bleach are at and
Speaker 1: so the vaginal area, which is a mucosa as well
Speaker 1: as the cervix of course, are highly highly absorbent. So
Speaker 1: anything you insert in that area is actually going to
Speaker 1: be absorbed and it enters into your bloodstream very quickly.
Speaker 1: So it's so important that you do look for exactly
Speaker 1: what you said organic and you have to I know,
Speaker 1: it's a lot of work. Of course, you have to
Speaker 1: trust the source, you have to trust the company, you
Speaker 1: have to trust the brand. So do your homework, especially
Speaker 1: if you have, let's say, a history of abnormal cells,
Speaker 1: or if you have a history of cervical cancer or
Speaker 1: varian cancer, uterine cancer in your family, so that is
Speaker 1: a weak spot for you. Absolutely do your research to
Speaker 1: see what am I using for myself and what can
Speaker 1: I do to make sure that I reduce the risk
Speaker 1: of that happening to me, especially in the world we
Speaker 1: have out there today. And the same applies to what
Speaker 1: you said about plastics and eating out of only glass
Speaker 1: and metal and even the cookware that we use.
Speaker 3: Do your research.
Speaker 1: And make sure that you see that they are actually sustainable,
Speaker 1: that they are a company and a brand that is
Speaker 1: really invested in providing not only value, not only quality,
Speaker 1: but they do actually value health and they do want
Speaker 1: to give people things that are going to be healthy,
Speaker 1: and that goes across the board, even for cleaning products.
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of things that are made with
Speaker 1: essential oils like cleaning supplies, or you could just go
Speaker 1: down to the basics. Good old fashioned white vinegar does
Speaker 1: a great job of cleaning and it's not toxic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So is there any brands, because I imagine that
Speaker 2: your house, you've really done a lot of research and stuff.
Speaker 3: Is there any brands.
Speaker 2: You really love that are like your favorites and you
Speaker 2: kind of really trust.
Speaker 1: To be honest, what I try to do is I
Speaker 1: actually try to make my own So I love Thieves
Speaker 1: and that's a brand that comes from Young Living, So
Speaker 1: that's an essential oils thing. But I do mix a
Speaker 1: lot of my stuff, and even for my personal care stuff,
Speaker 1: I make my own toothpaste. I only use coconut oil
Speaker 1: for my skin when I come out of the shower.
Speaker 1: I kind of make oils and I mix them for
Speaker 1: my face. And think of it like this, If what
Speaker 1: you're gonna put into your body is going to or
Speaker 1: what you're gonna put on the skin ends up inside
Speaker 1: the body, you want to be able to even eat
Speaker 1: that stuff. So, for example, what I put on my
Speaker 1: face is a lot of black seed oil, and that's
Speaker 1: actually also something that I take for maintenance of health
Speaker 1: and as a preventative, So I put that on my
Speaker 1: skin and I don't ever feel the need to go
Speaker 1: and spend exorbitant amounts of money on these brands that
Speaker 1: are you know, they put a lot of their stuff
Speaker 1: in plastic. I have glass jars that I use for myself.
Speaker 1: I make my own cleaning products. So, like I said,
Speaker 1: a lot of white vinegar, a lot of lemon if
Speaker 1: you want to keep bugs away, I use a lot
Speaker 1: of things essential oils like peppermints. They also don't like cinnamon,
Speaker 1: so a lot of these natural things. And of course
Speaker 1: health is an investment. I recognize the price point because
Speaker 1: a lot of people tend to go and buy something
Speaker 1: because you know it's very cost effective. But if you're
Speaker 1: going to be saving monetarily but paying with your health,
Speaker 1: you have to really stop and wonder whether it's actually
Speaker 1: worth that exchange of keeping the money but giving your health.
Speaker 1: And oftentimes a lot of people, especially after you've lost
Speaker 1: your health, people would be willing to spend anything to
Speaker 1: be able to capture it again. So it's important that
Speaker 1: you work from it from a preventive point. So invest
Speaker 1: in those little things, sometimes with time. You have to
Speaker 1: invest with time and sometimes with money, but you get
Speaker 1: to keep the most important, the most valuable, the most
Speaker 1: important thing that we have, and that's our health.
Speaker 3: Giving us so much good information.
Speaker 2: I just feel like you are this wealth of knowledge
Speaker 2: that I'm just going to carry with me everywhere.
Speaker 3: And be like, Okay, what do I do next? This
Speaker 3: is so.
Speaker 2: Important because it is it is your point like health
Speaker 2: is so important, It is most important.
Speaker 3: One of the most.
Speaker 2: Important things we will ever spend money on or focus
Speaker 2: on is our health because we can't have anything else
Speaker 2: without it. So what you're doing is amazing, So thank
Speaker 2: you for all of that. I do want to also
Speaker 2: recognize you being a published author. Is there a lot
Speaker 2: of the things that we talked about, is that in
Speaker 2: this book that people can read and they can find Yes.
Speaker 1: I did talk about my approaches and how I changed
Speaker 1: my lifestyle, what some of the things that I did
Speaker 1: a lot of mindset. I did a lot of meditation.
Speaker 1: I had to kind of come to terms with some
Speaker 1: of the things that I was carrying, like grudges and
Speaker 1: things like that. You really have to be at peace.
Speaker 1: I do strongly believe that there are many there's it.
Speaker 1: I think disease and illnesses are very multi layered a
Speaker 1: lot of times they have to do, let's say, in
Speaker 1: large part with the diet that we consume. But that's
Speaker 1: also tied to our self worth because oftentimes we don't
Speaker 1: believe that we are worth to invest money in let's say,
Speaker 1: good quality food. Therefore, a lot of the stuff that's
Speaker 1: very psycho spiritual and very emotional has a big, a
Speaker 1: huge role to play in health as well as in lifestyle.
Speaker 1: So if we skimp on some of the things that
Speaker 1: are so important, then you know, it kind of shows
Speaker 1: up in how our health shows up. So yes, in
Speaker 1: the book, I talk about mindset, I talk about the
Speaker 1: diet that I had to change. I talk about the lifestyle.
Speaker 1: So how I went and I kind of had to
Speaker 1: take a closer look to what I was doing. I
Speaker 1: was a type a personality, very driven in the gym.
Speaker 1: I was counting every calorie. I had to kind of
Speaker 1: scale that back and be able to just say, am
Speaker 1: I at peace or do I have to constantly chase
Speaker 1: something that's always ahead of me out there instead of
Speaker 1: being a piece inside. So I was constantly sort of
Speaker 1: very outwards focused rather than inwards focused. So yes, I
Speaker 1: do talk about that in the book.
Speaker 2: Oh I love that, And can you tell everybody what
Speaker 2: it's called where they can find it.
Speaker 3: I want to make sure. Yes, of course.
Speaker 1: So the book is very aptly named Against Medical Advice,
Speaker 1: and that's actually it's a line that was said by
Speaker 1: one of the medical people when I was in the
Speaker 1: hospital right after the stroke. So it's basically a journey
Speaker 1: of how I took ownership of my health against medical advice,
Speaker 1: and I was empowered to really study to see what
Speaker 1: can I do, And to be honest, I actually only
Speaker 1: studied what I could do for myself at that time.
Speaker 1: And then I kind of recognized because the studies we
Speaker 1: get to see, just like I said earlier on that
Speaker 1: there are overarching rules and principles that apply to everybody.
Speaker 1: And yes, so the book is called Against Medical Advice,
Speaker 1: and it's available on our platforms, and of course you
Speaker 1: could find it on Amazon, Barnes, and Noble, depending on
Speaker 1: where you are in the world, but it's definitely in
Speaker 1: all marketplaces in Amazon.
Speaker 3: Oh amazing.
Speaker 2: I'm glad when you share that, because I'm going to
Speaker 2: be buying it. I need to thank you. I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm already on the journey, but I need to continue
Speaker 2: on the journey and sometimes you just need a little help.
Speaker 2: I do want to ask you two kind of hot
Speaker 2: topic questions. They can be quick answers or however you
Speaker 2: want to go about it, but the first one being
Speaker 2: we always see all kinds of studies. There's the studies
Speaker 2: of drink a glass of wine it's good for your health,
Speaker 2: or don't drink alcohol that's bad for your health, or
Speaker 2: this much or drink this kind. There's everything out there.
Speaker 2: What's the situation with alcohol? So alcohol, and of course,
Speaker 2: as you remember back in the day, and of course
Speaker 2: my father, his primary cancer was lung cancer. So back
Speaker 2: in the day, way back in the day, doctors used
Speaker 2: to say that you should smoke. And of course then
Speaker 2: we kind of came to see that that was not
Speaker 2: really such great advice. And I know that in the
Speaker 2: evolution of health, and of course, the more studies we
Speaker 2: do and the more we're able to actually even look
Speaker 2: at the figures that we see show up in large populations.
Speaker 2: So now it's actually and doctor Daniel Amman, who is
Speaker 2: one of the most important figures in mental health, and
Speaker 2: he's the one that does a lot of the brain scans.
Speaker 3: He speaks at.
Speaker 1: Large So no alcohol is actually safe, and it's tied
Speaker 1: not only to obesity, but a lot of cancers, a
Speaker 1: lot of mental health issues, a lot of degenerative neurodegenerative diseases.
Speaker 1: So I would not recommend, especially like when you look
Speaker 1: at it from what the nutritionist in me will look
Speaker 1: at it and say, what is what are some of
Speaker 1: the nutrients that show up in alcohol? And there isn't
Speaker 1: that much, especially like when it comes to cancer, it's
Speaker 1: a lot of sugar, zero nutrients. And if you were
Speaker 1: to look at the nitty gritty, especially now, there are
Speaker 1: a lot of additives, especially red wines are highly colored,
Speaker 1: there's sul fights, there's tandents. There's just so much that
Speaker 1: is of no value to the body that the body
Speaker 1: would actually have to mitigate. It really beats up deliver,
Speaker 1: it really beats up the brain, and you're not taking
Speaker 1: in anything that the body can actually say, ooh that's
Speaker 1: really gonna help me, like absolutely in no way, shape
Speaker 1: or form. So I always look at it through that
Speaker 1: lens if it's not going to be of help. And
Speaker 1: of course in the health arena, we all say like
Speaker 1: you either feed health or you feed disease. So everything
Speaker 1: that you put into the body is going to feed
Speaker 1: one of those, So which one does alcohol feed?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Unfortunately, you know, it's always hind The hindsight is
Speaker 2: always twenty twenty when you're looking back, like, oh, you
Speaker 2: know now, I see that. Now I feel bad, But
Speaker 2: you know, we're thirty years down the road and this
Speaker 2: is where we are. So the other question I had
Speaker 2: for you was, everybody kind of has different diets. I
Speaker 2: myself am a vegetarian that's just been I'm a huge
Speaker 2: lover of animals. That just kind of happened when I
Speaker 2: was eight years old and I stuck with it.
Speaker 3: It's amazing.
Speaker 2: So that's mine. I know I have friends that are vegan,
Speaker 2: I have friends that are keto. You know the gamut
Speaker 2: of diets. Is there any diets that we really shouldn't
Speaker 2: be doing? Or is like we have so many diet trends,
Speaker 2: like how do we know what is actually beneficial to
Speaker 2: us versus not? And should we just all be focused
Speaker 2: on eating healthy for our bodies more than anything.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, So that's super important what you just said, eat
Speaker 1: for what your body actually likes. And if you are attuned,
Speaker 1: your body is always giving you feedback. So if you
Speaker 1: see that you constantly. So let's say you start doing
Speaker 1: the cardinivoor diet and you constantly constipated, Well, that's your
Speaker 1: body telling you, hey, what you're doing is actually I'm
Speaker 1: not liking it. It doesn't feel good for me. And
Speaker 1: of course, yes, we go through trends when it comes
Speaker 1: to diets. A lot of people do really well on keto. Luckily,
Speaker 1: keto is actually and in large part that's because it
Speaker 1: doesn't increase like it keeps the blood sugar low and
Speaker 1: a lot of the diseases that we see are out
Speaker 1: there are as a result of the high sugar content
Speaker 1: and food. And there's sugar in everything, which is why
Speaker 1: it's important that we eat the food that Mother Nature made.
Speaker 1: So if you're going to be eating meat, eat meat
Speaker 1: not alongside patty to let's say, buns and mixing it
Speaker 1: with a lot of other things like relish and ketchup,
Speaker 1: both of which have a lot of sugar to begin with.
Speaker 1: Sugar should never go with meat. So you have to
Speaker 1: optimize for what feels really good for you. So the
Speaker 1: Keto diet you could actually do without eating any kind
Speaker 1: of meat. You could actually because it's high fat. Right,
Speaker 1: So if you do a lot of let's say, avocados
Speaker 1: and nuts and seeds. You can get really good healthy
Speaker 1: fats from many different sources, and you can also do
Speaker 1: protein from many different sources. But I'm not a big
Speaker 1: fan of fad diets as an overarching thing. I'm a
Speaker 1: big believer that the body needs ninety nutrients and you
Speaker 1: have to get those nutrients in. If you're going to
Speaker 1: be doing a specific diet and that diet's going to
Speaker 1: give you those nutrients, sure your body's going to be happy.
Speaker 1: All of your organs and all of your systems are
Speaker 1: going to get what they need to be able to function,
Speaker 1: to be able to continue being healthy. So if that
Speaker 1: works for you, fantastic. But by and large, diets typically
Speaker 1: are trends because they cannot be sustained for long periods
Speaker 1: of time, and a lot of people will see that
Speaker 1: some of the diets that they go on will show
Speaker 1: in their let's say blood test results. You see that
Speaker 1: you're deficient in certain things which are so important, Like
Speaker 1: a lot of people are deficient in B twelve. That's
Speaker 1: actually so important, you have no energy. A lot of
Speaker 1: people become deficient in other nutrients, and then you start
Speaker 1: to see it show up as illnesses, sickness, disease, an
Speaker 1: ability to perform in the gym or to be able
Speaker 1: to get by, or you don't have any energy. So
Speaker 1: optimize for what actually works for your body rather than
Speaker 1: try to adopt a diet in the name of I'm
Speaker 1: going to be skinny, I'm going to look good. It's
Speaker 1: never and I've gone down that path. I remember one
Speaker 1: of before one of the shows that I did, one
Speaker 1: of the fitness shows, I looked amazing, fantastic, and a
Speaker 1: lot of people were asking me, are you doing a show?
Speaker 1: Because I did look good, but I did not feel good.
Speaker 1: I was not happy. My hormones were all over the place,
Speaker 1: I wasn't menstruating, so it was like I was a mess,
Speaker 1: but I looked good. So which is never a faint
Speaker 1: place to never ever, ever, ever, never ever give up
Speaker 1: your health in the name of looks.
Speaker 2: Ever. Wow, Well, Simone, I could sit here and ask
Speaker 2: you a million questions because I'm so fascinated just by
Speaker 2: you and everything that you've done and our health because
Speaker 2: it's again just something that we lack a lot of
Speaker 2: education and resources on and I wish that wasn't the case.
Speaker 3: So thank you for your work.
Speaker 2: Thank you for being part of the solution and working
Speaker 2: all of that, and you know, everybody go check out
Speaker 2: her book and Simone, just thank you again for being here.
Speaker 3: I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Morgan, thank you so much for the opportunity, and absolutely
Speaker 1: I'm so happy to be able to share the knowledge
Speaker 1: that I have, especially when it comes to one of
Speaker 1: the most important things that we have, which is our health.
Speaker 1: So thank you.
Speaker 2: I want to thank all of you guys for being
Speaker 2: here for this episode.
Speaker 3: I often have a lot of these.
Speaker 2: Conversations and can feel the impact that I hope they're
Speaker 2: bringing to others when they hear them, and this was.
Speaker 3: Really one of those episodes specifically for me.
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