WEBVTT - Ep. 154: Poaching 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:13.320 This is me eater podcast coming at you shirtless, severely 0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:18.320 fog bitten and in my case, underwear listening podcast. You 0:00:18.400 --> 0:00:28.920 can't predict anything, you know. With everybody out trying to 0:00:29.360 --> 0:00:32.040 get a big foot, shoot a big foot. A dude 0:00:32.440 --> 0:00:35.800 wrote in that he canceled his Guilly suite order and 0:00:35.840 --> 0:00:39.760 he includes excludes a photo of the Guilly suit he 0:00:39.760 --> 0:00:46.080 was fixing to get next to that famous Patterson film 0:00:46.200 --> 0:00:48.360 The big Foot walking by And dude, this Gillies is 0:00:48.400 --> 0:00:53.000 a dead ringer. Man, it was a smart move. Another 0:00:53.040 --> 0:00:55.200 guy wrote in with a craction about snakes, we're talking 0:00:55.240 --> 0:00:57.960 about this special news snake that got discovered from Mexico. 0:00:58.520 --> 0:01:02.160 It was like you hear about this peete, just a recap. 0:01:02.680 --> 0:01:06.959 So years ago some guys killed a snake and in 0:01:07.080 --> 0:01:10.360 its belly was an unknown species of snake. And it 0:01:10.400 --> 0:01:15.520 turns out it's its own, not only its own undescribed species, 0:01:15.560 --> 0:01:20.120 but it was an undescribed genus um. And I was 0:01:20.160 --> 0:01:21.959 pointing out how I was reading about how I had 0:01:21.959 --> 0:01:25.759 two packers. Now a snake guy, a snake biologist guy 0:01:25.800 --> 0:01:29.920 wrote in, what do they call those fellers? Not herpetologist, 0:01:30.920 --> 0:01:34.800 snake biologists, snake feller snake feller snack. I thought you 0:01:34.800 --> 0:01:37.240 were asking what I thought you're asking what they called? People? 0:01:37.240 --> 0:01:40.920 Are two peckers? No? No, but like, uh, you know 0:01:41.080 --> 0:01:48.440 ich theologist right, entomologists, entomologists? What is it snake herpetologists? 0:01:48.480 --> 0:01:53.240 Did I say that? Yeah? The first guns on a 0:01:53.440 --> 0:01:57.120 roll one role. Anyways, he said, this guy has a sentence, 0:01:57.200 --> 0:02:02.200 he says, most podcast he's generalizing, most podcasts that mentioned 0:02:02.200 --> 0:02:07.440 snakes have misinformation. For example, all snakes have two packers. 0:02:08.520 --> 0:02:11.920 So it wasn't as special. Snake is not as special 0:02:11.960 --> 0:02:15.320 as I thought. Did you know that? Be honest, I 0:02:15.360 --> 0:02:17.560 did not know that. I didn't know that either, not 0:02:17.639 --> 0:02:19.280 prior to read that email. What's the point of the 0:02:19.280 --> 0:02:22.600 second one? Yeah, I don't know. Oh it didn't he 0:02:22.639 --> 0:02:25.680 say it? This part of that email that I didn't. 0:02:26.919 --> 0:02:30.160 I said, No, matter the orientation of the snakes, they're 0:02:30.200 --> 0:02:32.799 capable of breeding. I think is the point of the two. 0:02:33.760 --> 0:02:37.840 But you know what's good? They can only be oriented 0:02:37.919 --> 0:02:41.280 so many ways. I don't So is there snakes? Man? 0:02:41.280 --> 0:02:44.800 They got all wrapped up capable from all directions. Like 0:02:44.919 --> 0:02:46.880 all the jokes we made about two packers last time 0:02:46.919 --> 0:02:49.960 is now less funny. Oh, it's way less funny. Yeah, no, 0:02:50.000 --> 0:02:52.320 it's just a normal plus everybody that knows about snakes 0:02:52.400 --> 0:02:54.920 or sitting there thinking how stupid to the jokes. Weren't 0:02:54.919 --> 0:02:57.520 funny that so nobody's found this species of snake alive, 0:02:57.680 --> 0:02:59.680 just dead and this one and here's the thing. The 0:02:59.720 --> 0:03:02.760 only they did the genetic work on it and what 0:03:02.800 --> 0:03:05.760 it was, I think they found in the seventies, like 0:03:06.120 --> 0:03:09.760 they did the work on it forty years later. But 0:03:09.800 --> 0:03:13.200 the assumption is still there somewhere. They think it's a 0:03:13.200 --> 0:03:17.760 ground dwelling snake that maybe feeds on insects. Guy rode 0:03:17.760 --> 0:03:20.320 in from France. He says, bonur, who can do a 0:03:20.360 --> 0:03:25.440 good one? Here's good? No, no, I've been there, I've 0:03:25.480 --> 0:03:27.720 been there. I feel like caw can do it? Get it, 0:03:28.040 --> 0:03:33.720 hit it like a little inflection. That's a beauty and 0:03:33.720 --> 0:03:36.520 the beast for him, that's very nice, he writes. And 0:03:36.520 --> 0:03:39.240 he says that he likes to hunt. He says, here 0:03:39.240 --> 0:03:44.120 here here about uh, we like to hunt thrushes. A thrush, 0:03:44.280 --> 0:03:46.760 he says, it's the top of the top to eat. Now, 0:03:46.840 --> 0:03:50.880 a robin, your typical red breasted robin is a thrush. 0:03:51.040 --> 0:03:52.360 But that's the thing, man, and you have to eat 0:03:52.400 --> 0:03:55.080 a lot of songbirds, Like in Italy they hunt a 0:03:55.080 --> 0:04:00.400 lot of songbirds. Yeah, but they've also like eradicated many 0:04:00.440 --> 0:04:03.400 many species due to their very taste. And I normally 0:04:03.360 --> 0:04:05.680 eat the normally eating things. Yeah, and so at some 0:04:05.760 --> 0:04:08.560 point they were like, no, no, no, trust me, bro 0:04:09.640 --> 0:04:12.880 robbins are delicious. Well, I think they were eating you 0:04:12.920 --> 0:04:14.920 know that four and twenty blackbirds, bake them in a 0:04:15.000 --> 0:04:19.440 pie peel, and the you know the Egyptians eight little birds. 0:04:19.600 --> 0:04:23.480 I mean there's you know, there's evidence of that. So 0:04:23.680 --> 0:04:26.120 you're saying they're eating birds, but just because they ran 0:04:26.160 --> 0:04:28.080 out of other things to eat, Oh, they definitely did. 0:04:28.240 --> 0:04:29.960 They think they were eating at all. Now a lot 0:04:30.040 --> 0:04:32.800 of it's gone. They're still eating little birds, and we 0:04:32.880 --> 0:04:35.599 just have because like the you know, the we have 0:04:35.839 --> 0:04:37.640 rules that made that not the case. But I'm sure 0:04:37.720 --> 0:04:42.560 once upon time here here you can eat English sparrows, 0:04:42.920 --> 0:04:47.200 which I've eaten because they're non native starlings, which I've 0:04:47.200 --> 0:04:54.040 eaten non native in street pigeons. Yeah there, I mean 0:04:54.040 --> 0:04:57.240 there are recipes out there for crows too. Yeah, there's 0:04:57.279 --> 0:04:59.920 a season on crows. But if you know you read 0:04:59.920 --> 0:05:07.360 the guy le Valden's um uh on one. In one 0:05:07.360 --> 0:05:09.359 of his books, he touches on growing up in France 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:13.479 and he had this killer childhood growing up in this 0:05:13.560 --> 0:05:16.240 old castle in France. But he talks about like the 0:05:16.279 --> 0:05:20.760 coaching culture and the hunting culture, and um, you know, 0:05:20.760 --> 0:05:23.719 there are a lot of very well known poachers out 0:05:23.720 --> 0:05:25.680 there that we're able to kind of hold their heads 0:05:25.760 --> 0:05:31.479 high because it was like such a game to go out. Um, 0:05:31.600 --> 0:05:34.599 but they would like drag net fields a night for 0:05:34.720 --> 0:05:38.840 ground nesting birds. Basically it was like almost like running 0:05:38.839 --> 0:05:43.360 a human powder powered singer almost where it's like guy 0:05:43.440 --> 0:05:45.440 sits there and then they like pivot around the field 0:05:45.960 --> 0:05:48.320 and as these birds flush at night, they're coming up 0:05:48.320 --> 0:05:50.239 and into their net and then they just go straight 0:05:50.279 --> 0:05:55.160 from there to the markets. And yeah, the scopier talks 0:05:55.160 --> 0:05:56.599 a lot about all the birds. He's even got a 0:05:56.600 --> 0:05:59.680 big breakdown of all the different little birds songbirds and 0:05:59.720 --> 0:06:01.400 stuff off and like what they're good for and what 0:06:01.440 --> 0:06:05.000 they're using for. But here, you know, with the migratory 0:06:05.160 --> 0:06:08.840 you know, and there's songbird protections, which is it's something 0:06:08.920 --> 0:06:12.640 that happens here. The final always telling me that down 0:06:12.680 --> 0:06:18.200 east North Carolina they used to trot line Robinson, oh 0:06:18.240 --> 0:06:22.440 for for eating. M HM. Tell you what. Uh. When 0:06:22.440 --> 0:06:25.160 I was growing up, we tried to There's a kid 0:06:25.200 --> 0:06:28.440 down the beach from us who his parents called him 0:06:28.520 --> 0:06:32.120 j T. And j T one day was trying to 0:06:32.160 --> 0:06:36.080 catch Robin and with a baited with a worm baited 0:06:36.120 --> 0:06:39.320 hook and uh, that is what we call at the 0:06:39.360 --> 0:06:42.480 time is super set. He sat, so he set his 0:06:42.560 --> 0:06:46.720 hooked so aggressively that without the friction of the line 0:06:46.760 --> 0:06:50.000 passing through the water, that hook came back and snagged 0:06:50.040 --> 0:06:53.479 him right in the eyebrow. Because you know, like you said, 0:06:53.480 --> 0:06:56.039 the ones underwater, not a lot happens. But on land, 0:06:57.600 --> 0:07:02.880 what JT? Did he have a scar? Didn't lose his eyesight? 0:07:03.360 --> 0:07:04.880 I'd like to punch that dude and knows, to be 0:07:04.920 --> 0:07:10.400 honest with you, not over that. Oh it seems to 0:07:10.400 --> 0:07:16.800 be a history. Dude from Germany so speaking of speaking 0:07:16.840 --> 0:07:20.119 of fellows from foreign countries. But dude from Germany sends 0:07:20.120 --> 0:07:23.840 a big wadman child. Wait, what's that? Is that? Like 0:07:23.880 --> 0:07:29.960 a middle finger weightman child child that I feel like 0:07:29.960 --> 0:07:34.720 that's way off. It's not w A I D M 0:07:34.760 --> 0:07:38.120 A N N s h E I L He says, 0:07:38.160 --> 0:07:43.760 a big wadman child. Yeah, they don't Germany, they don't 0:07:43.760 --> 0:07:47.280 say Wadman, it would be like vot. I'm not even 0:07:47.280 --> 0:07:49.960 gonna try now is embarrassing. But you know, my old man, 0:07:50.040 --> 0:07:54.400 having fought in whiskey whiskey too uh in the European theater, 0:07:55.880 --> 0:08:00.760 never forgave the Germans. And when he was uh, when 0:08:00.760 --> 0:08:03.880 he would point out, when when pressed on this, he 0:08:03.920 --> 0:08:05.600 would point out he would he knew how to say 0:08:05.640 --> 0:08:08.960 I love you, and all the languages, many languages, and 0:08:09.000 --> 0:08:11.720 he'd say it, you know, with he'd put his good 0:08:11.720 --> 0:08:13.800 of a shine on each languages and for ursion that 0:08:13.880 --> 0:08:15.840 I love you, and how like beautiful would be like. 0:08:15.960 --> 0:08:21.040 But in German, he's like, what kind of people can't 0:08:21.080 --> 0:08:26.560 even say I love you in a good sounding way. Yeah, 0:08:26.560 --> 0:08:29.240 there's no talking about of it. Man. They shot at 0:08:29.280 --> 0:08:33.480 him too many times. Uh, this dude from Germany. Uh, 0:08:33.520 --> 0:08:37.280 he says, as a former former German infantry officer and 0:08:37.400 --> 0:08:41.800 a passionate hunter, he's talking about how we're talking about 0:08:41.960 --> 0:08:45.400 his safe handling practices, you know, like using your safety 0:08:45.440 --> 0:08:48.640 on your gun and whatnot like that, And he says 0:08:48.679 --> 0:08:51.920 it's very surprising to hear American hunters talk about this. 0:08:52.520 --> 0:08:54.160 I think a big part of the world is under 0:08:54.200 --> 0:08:57.880 the impression that all Americans have a cowboy mentality and 0:08:57.920 --> 0:09:00.640 are carrying around cocked and chambered gun all the time. 0:09:02.040 --> 0:09:04.000 You did a good job bringing light into the dark 0:09:04.040 --> 0:09:08.800 and fighting the prejudice that American hunters are careless. So 0:09:08.960 --> 0:09:11.840 big vat did you figure it out? Yeah, it's a 0:09:11.920 --> 0:09:15.880 hunting term, originally to congratulate a hunter on his success 0:09:15.920 --> 0:09:19.480 in the field. Very appropriate. You're gonna start learn how 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:23.160 to pronounce that. You start using that, I know, hold on, listen, 0:09:27.120 --> 0:09:30.079 I think they're gonna stay. Oh that's great, it might 0:09:30.120 --> 0:09:36.600 come on. Let's keep going. Do you think it would? 0:09:36.640 --> 0:09:42.520 Let me see how it said? M Vachman sneel. That's 0:09:42.559 --> 0:09:50.959 not even child anyways. Uh is that urban dictionary? I'll 0:09:50.960 --> 0:09:57.839 say what it is. It's vets um segueing out of that. 0:09:58.040 --> 0:10:02.240 A guy wrote say that, man, it just he's he 0:10:02.240 --> 0:10:07.400 he says, it destroys the segue. When you point out that, 0:10:10.040 --> 0:10:13.160 he's like, that's not You've made it. Not if you 0:10:13.200 --> 0:10:15.240 feel like, hey, watch this segue, He's like, you've just 0:10:15.320 --> 0:10:17.679 negated He he equates, and he's trying to put it 0:10:17.679 --> 0:10:20.600 in language that I would understand. And he says, let's 0:10:20.600 --> 0:10:22.920 say you snuck up within twenty yards of an elk 0:10:23.040 --> 0:10:26.880 and then yelled, look how close I am? No iv 0:10:27.040 --> 0:10:29.880 himinly disagree with that guy. I feel like if you 0:10:29.960 --> 0:10:32.280 say it's a transition, you say it's If you're gonna 0:10:32.320 --> 0:10:34.960 make that statement, it makes puts more pressure on it, 0:10:35.840 --> 0:10:38.640 so you have to be better. It elevates your game. Oh. 0:10:38.679 --> 0:10:39.920 I don't agree with him at all, but I just 0:10:39.920 --> 0:10:44.360 want to give it. You know, he's a he's obviously 0:10:44.400 --> 0:10:45.959 a smart guy, and I just wanted to let him 0:10:45.960 --> 0:10:50.120 know that he's heard. And uh, I get it, but 0:10:50.120 --> 0:10:52.120 but it's he has to chake, o, stab and make 0:10:52.559 --> 0:10:56.120 convincing me um. And we're trying to have fun around here, 0:10:56.320 --> 0:10:58.320 and I think that that Oh, he thinks that there's 0:10:58.400 --> 0:11:00.160 fun to be had. He just thinks you should have 0:11:00.200 --> 0:11:03.240 a little tally and you can keep tracking. You can 0:11:03.320 --> 0:11:06.560 keep track, and then later you can revisit after the 0:11:06.600 --> 0:11:11.000 segways have served their purpose of seamlessly without drawing attention 0:11:11.080 --> 0:11:13.360 into the transitions. Then later you could be like, did 0:11:13.360 --> 0:11:17.440 you notice earlier? Yeah, Or the next episode Michelle could 0:11:17.720 --> 0:11:20.319 tally while she's doing technos, and then the next episode 0:11:20.320 --> 0:11:28.880 we can say so last week, Steve a whole separate 0:11:28.920 --> 0:11:31.760 segue committee that gets to vote on each each who 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:38.000 has a slick of segways from that UM. A couple 0:11:38.040 --> 0:11:42.280 of guys wrote in about this thing HB, which is 0:11:42.280 --> 0:11:45.760 a bill in Hawaii. You're about this. It would prohibit 0:11:45.840 --> 0:11:49.440 you from keeping in Hawaiian prohibit you from keeping a 0:11:49.440 --> 0:11:54.040 firearm or AMMO in your hotel room in the whole 0:11:54.080 --> 0:11:58.960 damn state, which for a traveling hunter creates a lot 0:11:59.000 --> 0:12:03.000 of problems, lot of work for law enforcement, it creates 0:12:03.000 --> 0:12:04.439 a lot of problems. I mean, how's that going to 0:12:04.480 --> 0:12:08.040 be select individual? It was some exclusion, so I don't 0:12:08.040 --> 0:12:10.000 even know how I would deal with that. But I 0:12:10.000 --> 0:12:12.280 remember thinking, like some guy he's like fixing the he's 0:12:12.320 --> 0:12:14.760 like playing out a crime and he calls his bart 0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:17.160 and he's like, ah, I'm not able to do that 0:12:17.240 --> 0:12:19.400 crime after all, because this is a reading about how 0:12:19.400 --> 0:12:23.800 you can't come on. I went to school here in 0:12:23.880 --> 0:12:26.600 Montana at M s U and Bozeman and UH In 0:12:26.640 --> 0:12:29.960 the dorms they had a gun locker, and as a 0:12:30.040 --> 0:12:32.800 eighteen year old freshman in college, you could walk into 0:12:32.840 --> 0:12:35.640 the front lobby of the dorm and hand over your shotgun. 0:12:35.800 --> 0:12:38.120 A duck hunted a lot and my freshman year in 0:12:38.160 --> 0:12:41.120 college and I remember walking into my dorm and handing 0:12:41.200 --> 0:12:44.840 over my twelve gauge over the counter to the resident, 0:12:45.080 --> 0:12:48.000 uh you know, whoever was running the show in there, 0:12:48.040 --> 0:12:49.319 and they locked it up. I don't know if that's 0:12:49.320 --> 0:12:53.400 still a deal at at Montana State. This a resident 0:12:53.400 --> 0:12:56.440 of the r A. Yeah, I was handing. I was 0:12:56.480 --> 0:13:00.480 handing it over to in a dorm room situation. Correct, 0:13:01.240 --> 0:13:03.440 very similar to a hotel though. It's like if you 0:13:03.480 --> 0:13:05.400 were ten of a twelve year old, was your babysitter 0:13:07.120 --> 0:13:08.880 Like with this thing, It's like, what are they driving 0:13:08.880 --> 0:13:10.120 that you supposed to leave it out in your car? 0:13:10.600 --> 0:13:12.080 Better to put like if you're trying to drive at 0:13:12.160 --> 0:13:16.280 like having it not fall into someone hands. Yeah, yeah, 0:13:16.720 --> 0:13:18.760 uh you know. I remember in high school when they 0:13:18.840 --> 0:13:22.160 brought in the rule that you couldn't have guns on campus, 0:13:22.800 --> 0:13:25.600 and I would run my trap line after school. So 0:13:25.640 --> 0:13:27.880 I kept, I kept. I had one of those twenty 0:13:27.920 --> 0:13:31.440 gage twenty two over and under did everybody owned? You know? 0:13:31.800 --> 0:13:35.400 It was a marlin that little thumb thumb cocker thumb 0:13:35.400 --> 0:13:37.880 selector on it. Your barrels and you always mess that 0:13:38.000 --> 0:13:45.040 up cock cock jump up or like, you know whatever. Yeah, 0:13:45.160 --> 0:13:46.880 I messed that thing was a lot of trouble, but 0:13:46.880 --> 0:13:50.600 I loved it. But I remember that rule comes into 0:13:50.600 --> 0:13:53.120 place and I go marching down to the principal's office 0:13:53.120 --> 0:13:54.680 and talk about what to buying that was gonna put 0:13:54.679 --> 0:13:56.440 me into it. He's like, oh, I had don't worry 0:13:56.480 --> 0:13:59.839 about it. Yeah, just just like, oh yeah, well you 0:14:02.320 --> 0:14:05.640 times changed. Does they explain exactly what they're trying to 0:14:05.960 --> 0:14:09.360 um stop? Is it something after the Vegas shooting? Like 0:14:09.400 --> 0:14:12.800 there he didn't tell anyone. Yeah, that doesn't make me sense. 0:14:12.840 --> 0:14:14.360 They weren't like, oh yeah, bring them all up. I'm 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:16.560 pretty sure you didn't ask the front desk for the commission. 0:14:16.920 --> 0:14:18.880 But yeah, I don't know what. I don't know what. 0:14:19.000 --> 0:14:21.960 It just seems I don't I don't understand it. It 0:14:22.000 --> 0:14:26.240 seems like another cluttered law and unecessarily putting people. It 0:14:26.280 --> 0:14:30.160 seems like you're putting uh people in a bad position. 0:14:31.120 --> 0:14:34.080 UM speak of that. A lot of people, a lot 0:14:34.120 --> 0:14:36.960 of people wrote in about just talking about like safe 0:14:37.080 --> 0:14:41.680 handling practices in general. Um. One guy who said he 0:14:41.720 --> 0:14:45.200 hunts with his in laws. In his in laws h 0:14:46.920 --> 0:14:52.600 are almost antagonistic towards uh what he regards like pretty 0:14:52.640 --> 0:14:56.360 standard safe practices, and he's got to the point where 0:14:56.800 --> 0:14:58.240 he's got to the point where he doesn't even like 0:14:58.320 --> 0:15:00.920 to be around him, and he can't bring it up, like, hey, 0:15:00.920 --> 0:15:03.160 you know, let's follow some safety protocols here, and you're 0:15:03.200 --> 0:15:08.320 like they shoot him down, and uh, he says, yeah, sorry, 0:15:08.640 --> 0:15:11.480 it's bad. Makes him uncomfortable. Another guy Rode. He says, 0:15:11.520 --> 0:15:14.320 I traveled to West Virginia for the holidays to visit 0:15:14.320 --> 0:15:16.800 with my boy's family and hunt with her great uncle. 0:15:17.600 --> 0:15:20.840 Now her great uncle is eighty his name is Jack. 0:15:21.960 --> 0:15:25.680 This guy, when this eighty year old dude was a 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:30.240 little kid, he was out rabbit hunting with his uncle 0:15:31.000 --> 0:15:32.720 and a rabbit runs off and he doesn't get a 0:15:32.720 --> 0:15:35.840 crack at it, and the uncle chastises him for having 0:15:36.040 --> 0:15:37.920 because if you weren't using the safety, you to have 0:15:38.080 --> 0:15:41.400 gotten a shot off. So then he goes from the 0:15:41.480 --> 0:15:46.640 nineteen fifties to present day, Uh, refused to use the 0:15:46.720 --> 0:15:50.320 safety because of that one getting busted, getting his balls 0:15:50.320 --> 0:15:56.640 busted by his uncle all those years ago. Um, then 0:15:57.200 --> 0:16:01.160 this uncle, the uncle that chastised the kid for not 0:16:01.200 --> 0:16:03.080 getting the shot off at the rabbits, he's using his 0:16:03.160 --> 0:16:08.560 safety is out coon hunting and come morning he hasn't returned, 0:16:09.760 --> 0:16:11.560 so they send people out to look for him. Search 0:16:11.600 --> 0:16:16.520 party goes out in the Grandpa right there, the great uncle, 0:16:16.560 --> 0:16:19.000 the eight year old dude named Jack who was chastised 0:16:19.000 --> 0:16:21.600 as the boy. He's part of the search party that 0:16:21.640 --> 0:16:23.960 goes out to find the uncle who chastised him for 0:16:24.040 --> 0:16:27.120 using his safety And sure enough, he's laying there dead, 0:16:27.480 --> 0:16:29.960 a bunch of dogs running around. It's coonhounds running around 0:16:29.960 --> 0:16:32.440 by his side, and from the way everything was laid out, 0:16:32.520 --> 0:16:34.960 it seems as though he might leaned his gun against 0:16:34.960 --> 0:16:38.280 a tree and one of the dogs triggered it knocked 0:16:38.280 --> 0:16:41.960 it over something. I remember going out the group of guys. 0:16:42.000 --> 0:16:45.440 All this is when I was, you know, young, young, um, 0:16:45.520 --> 0:16:49.080 and it was one of those situations where, um, you're 0:16:49.120 --> 0:16:52.640 kind of setting up. Everybody sets up around a big 0:16:52.720 --> 0:16:58.120 canyon mouth that the elk could disappear into, and you're 0:16:58.160 --> 0:17:00.880 just kind of posting up waiting for elk to come out, 0:17:01.240 --> 0:17:04.040 hopefully on your part of the canyon where you get 0:17:04.080 --> 0:17:06.960 posted up as they started coming out to feed at night. 0:17:07.800 --> 0:17:13.240 And I'm the youngest guy by at least ten years, 0:17:14.000 --> 0:17:18.960 and you know, you're all sitting there and a you know, 0:17:19.119 --> 0:17:23.919 relatively smaller, and you're like, it's like, all right, somebody 0:17:23.920 --> 0:17:29.359 got something. Get the cuttings and all kind of got 0:17:29.400 --> 0:17:34.200 picked up, and and it's like, well, somebody got something. 0:17:34.280 --> 0:17:37.199 Somebody got something. And I'm like the young excited kid, like, 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:38.919 well where are you? Where? Where is it? Where is it? 0:17:38.920 --> 0:17:41.440 Where is it? And I was like, oh, you know what, 0:17:41.640 --> 0:17:46.800 I didn't didn't didn't shoot anything. My gun went off 0:17:47.760 --> 0:17:49.480 because you know, I was all set up. I wasn't 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:54.880 even looking at it and uh and grabbed the gun 0:17:55.000 --> 0:17:58.200 and the trigger must have snagged and went off, and 0:17:58.680 --> 0:18:01.280 I was like, well, deep, have your gun on safe, right, 0:18:01.320 --> 0:18:03.679 I was like, kid right out a hunter safety. And 0:18:03.720 --> 0:18:05.760 the guy proceeds to tell me in front of everybody 0:18:06.680 --> 0:18:09.919 that well, you know, Ryan, when you're in a really 0:18:10.000 --> 0:18:13.320 safe situation, it's okay to put around and have a 0:18:13.400 --> 0:18:16.760 safety off, and all the other adults are just kind 0:18:16.760 --> 0:18:20.360 of like and then like as soon as the group 0:18:20.480 --> 0:18:24.640 breaks up, my my buddy Larry grabbing me, was like, hey, Pard, 0:18:25.200 --> 0:18:30.520 it's like that guy rounds off all the time. Don't 0:18:30.520 --> 0:18:33.320 get in here that guy. I can see the I 0:18:33.320 --> 0:18:36.439 can see the not like like our general practice of 0:18:36.520 --> 0:18:40.760 not chambering around until things get real gamey. I could 0:18:40.760 --> 0:18:42.320 see that some people are like not going to buy 0:18:42.320 --> 0:18:46.840 into that. But the idea of the safety issue, I 0:18:46.880 --> 0:18:51.160 mean asking for trouble, I mean, how could you How 0:18:51.200 --> 0:18:54.359 could someone even make the point, especially with everybody read 0:18:54.440 --> 0:18:58.119 jigger in their triggers these days, everything's super hot. I'll 0:18:58.119 --> 0:19:00.240 put a key put a guy's land. It's uh see 0:19:00.280 --> 0:19:03.920 her a point eight pound trigger. Yeah, really, that's interesting. 0:19:04.080 --> 0:19:06.879 We had a backpack come into Stone Glacier for a 0:19:06.880 --> 0:19:09.640 warranty situation. That guy was sent it in. He said, 0:19:09.840 --> 0:19:13.240 a hunting accident. Uh, please fix this if you can. 0:19:13.520 --> 0:19:15.399 And it looked like a dog had chewed up on 0:19:15.440 --> 0:19:17.399 his backpack, a lot of a lot of little holes 0:19:17.440 --> 0:19:19.760 that kind of looked like, at first glance, looked like 0:19:19.800 --> 0:19:22.199 teeth marks. And I called him. I was like, did 0:19:22.280 --> 0:19:24.600 your dog get on your backpacks? Pretty normal for dogs 0:19:24.640 --> 0:19:27.639 to chew up packs and hca get blood on him? 0:19:27.680 --> 0:19:31.840 And yeah, probably number one number one destruction of packs 0:19:31.880 --> 0:19:36.159 is but real number one pack warranty absolutely, And my 0:19:36.240 --> 0:19:41.600 kids want a dog real bad. I'm gonna tebu backpack. 0:19:41.880 --> 0:19:44.960 So I call a guy, I'm like, so what happened, 0:19:45.040 --> 0:19:46.880 and I wanted him to fest up. This dog chewed 0:19:46.880 --> 0:19:49.720 on his backpack, and he's like, honestly, I saw grouse 0:19:49.800 --> 0:19:52.879 hunting with my wife. My wife leaned her twelve gage 0:19:52.880 --> 0:19:56.080 against the tree, knocked it over, twelve gage falls over, 0:19:56.200 --> 0:20:00.199 goes off peppers my backpack and it just live up 0:20:00.200 --> 0:20:02.840 his backpack shattered. The carbon stays inside of it and 0:20:02.880 --> 0:20:05.520 just put all these little tiny micro holes all throughout 0:20:05.520 --> 0:20:09.679 the framing bag. But that I interpreted as dog bites, 0:20:09.880 --> 0:20:12.119 but turns out it was a shotgun. Let's stays like 0:20:12.200 --> 0:20:16.359 every I feel like everybody has an accidental discharge story, 0:20:16.480 --> 0:20:19.680 whether it involves you or someone you know, Like, that's 0:20:19.720 --> 0:20:23.280 not it's not all that uncommon. We were standing in 0:20:23.320 --> 0:20:26.080 the Vortex booth a shot show here two days ago, 0:20:26.680 --> 0:20:29.240 and they have a scope in one of their you know, 0:20:29.320 --> 0:20:32.480 Vortex v I P warranty, Right, Yeah, they have like 0:20:32.520 --> 0:20:34.359 if you can find a shard, they'll send you a 0:20:34.359 --> 0:20:39.479 new skull. Yeah, And here's this scope and through the 0:20:39.520 --> 0:20:43.120 bell of the scope is a bullet hole. No, yes, 0:20:43.240 --> 0:20:46.800 And oh my god, what's the story on this. Well, 0:20:46.800 --> 0:20:51.080 it turns out a guy had shot his gun. No, 0:20:51.200 --> 0:20:54.440 I had taken a Uh. This it got sent in 0:20:54.680 --> 0:20:59.720 by um, a retailer right at a gun store owner. UM, 0:20:59.800 --> 0:21:03.399 and somebody had come in with a firearm and asked 0:21:03.640 --> 0:21:07.280 somebody at the counter to check it out, and and 0:21:07.760 --> 0:21:11.200 nobody during the course of this check the sea because 0:21:11.520 --> 0:21:15.120 bringing in a loaded firearm into a store and they 0:21:15.160 --> 0:21:18.640 put it on the deon and it guy ends up 0:21:18.840 --> 0:21:23.919 shooting case full of rifle scopes. See that's where like 0:21:23.960 --> 0:21:25.920 with the with the safe handling, that's where the part 0:21:26.040 --> 0:21:30.440 comes where like the whole part about muscle control. Yes, 0:21:30.680 --> 0:21:35.840 like if there was no question, did nothing accidental what 0:21:36.040 --> 0:21:38.800 ever happened, then you wouldn't have the extra layer of 0:21:38.960 --> 0:21:42.359 like the reason you don't sweep your muzzle around is 0:21:42.400 --> 0:21:45.919 because of the very real possibility that there are ways 0:21:45.920 --> 0:21:51.240 in which you could have So it's like never pointed anywhere, 0:21:52.359 --> 0:21:56.680 which which is an acknowledgement of you never know. And 0:21:56.720 --> 0:21:59.440 then all then the other stuff is all layered over 0:21:59.480 --> 0:22:02.240 that with the the mental idea of like where is 0:22:02.280 --> 0:22:06.320 it pointing in case the unspeakable. Well, here's something that 0:22:06.320 --> 0:22:09.640 came up with me recently, Like if you mount your stone, 0:22:09.640 --> 0:22:13.280 glacier has like a rifle mount on their packs. Most 0:22:13.280 --> 0:22:15.200 packed companies will make like a little rifle sling and 0:22:15.240 --> 0:22:18.479 you mount in your pack. And while that's great, I 0:22:18.520 --> 0:22:21.119 feel like I want to know my shoulder because if 0:22:21.119 --> 0:22:23.159 it's just on my pack and it's mounted behind my 0:22:23.200 --> 0:22:25.280 shoulder and I have no control of the muzzle as 0:22:25.320 --> 0:22:27.200 I would if it was slung over my shoulder. I 0:22:27.240 --> 0:22:29.239 can bend over to go under a tree, I can 0:22:29.359 --> 0:22:31.520 duck down to do this, and if I'm hunting with somebody, 0:22:31.520 --> 0:22:33.840 I have no control over my muzzle other than where 0:22:33.880 --> 0:22:35.960 my body goes. Yeah, I still like those things, though, 0:22:36.280 --> 0:22:39.600 I like it they're comfortable. I was kind of jealous 0:22:39.600 --> 0:22:41.639 on a recent hunt of folks that had them. But 0:22:41.760 --> 0:22:44.160 then you can see, like when you're crawling through some brush, 0:22:44.240 --> 0:22:47.120 you're you're digging around somewhere, like you're you're now wherever 0:22:47.200 --> 0:22:51.280 you're your shoulders points where your barrel points. That's a 0:22:51.280 --> 0:22:59.480 good point. Lots of dudes rolled recently a gun we're 0:22:59.520 --> 0:23:03.479 sighting in and rifles, and a fellows using my rifle 0:23:03.600 --> 0:23:06.280 and never used my rifle before, and it had three 0:23:06.280 --> 0:23:09.640 position safety. So I was explaining the three position safety. 0:23:09.640 --> 0:23:13.360 But this particular one is aftermarket, and so it's not 0:23:13.800 --> 0:23:16.479 if you don't have exactly in the middle position. If 0:23:16.480 --> 0:23:18.840 it slides a little bit forward out of that position, 0:23:19.119 --> 0:23:21.719 it's actually live, right, So you've got to be very 0:23:21.760 --> 0:23:23.720 careful that if you're gonna use the middle position of 0:23:23.720 --> 0:23:26.800 the safety, that it is in that middle position. And 0:23:26.920 --> 0:23:29.320 he had been handling the gun and then he came 0:23:29.359 --> 0:23:32.560 over to me, and we hadn't started shooting yet, and 0:23:32.600 --> 0:23:37.320 I assumed very wrongly that the goal was unloaded, and 0:23:37.359 --> 0:23:40.439 so I went we went to I went to explain 0:23:40.560 --> 0:23:42.920 to him how it worked within point in a safe direction, 0:23:43.119 --> 0:23:45.359 point in the the safe direction, and I flipped it forward 0:23:45.440 --> 0:23:47.440 to that to that spot where the gun will go off, 0:23:47.480 --> 0:23:50.080