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Speaker 1: It was like you hear about this peete, just a recap.

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Speaker 1: So years ago some guys killed a snake and in

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Speaker 1: I'll going live one hot because I'm just so used to.

425
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 1: Every time that safety flips off and I know that

426
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,159
Speaker 1: I'm about to send one down range, I always in

427
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:10,200
Speaker 1: my brain is going hot, going live. Um. I found

428
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 1: myself after somebody shoots something repeatedly, as you know, everybody's

429
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 1: jacked up and excited, just got something, just grilled people

430
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 1: like gun unloaded safety, and then I'll ask you again

431
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 1: two minutes from now that gun is still unloaded because

432
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,639
Speaker 1: everybody's all jacked up. Everybody's excited to go get to

433
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:31,120
Speaker 1: the deer or whatever it is. It's remember it's very

434
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,120
Speaker 1: easy to racking on the one in and the gun

435
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 1: never gets put on safety. Second, because you're thinking about

436
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 1: a follow up. Yeah, that's a time when I've here,

437
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,719
Speaker 1: like just in our circle. Like when you get up

438
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:46,359
Speaker 1: to something and everybody's getting ready to do whatever and

439
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 1: you're gonna start skinning. There's a lot of verbal checks

440
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:53,639
Speaker 1: around a lot of verbal checks around safety. I got

441
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 1: one on that I wasn't hear for this, but I

442
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 1: buddy of mind growing up. You'll remember the night disc

443
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 1: rifle that was out for a time. It had a

444
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 1: it was a muzzle or you put a shotgun primer

445
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 1: in a little orange disk and then that you loaded

446
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,679
Speaker 1: that in and then the hammer. But yeah, it was

447
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 1: a disc riightful for a time. And this he was

448
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,680
Speaker 1: out with the buddy skinning the deer, gutting the deer

449
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:15,680
Speaker 1: and he was, you know, had its legs played open.

450
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 1: He was in the middle gutting and his buddy was

451
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 1: coming over to check. He just walked up to check

452
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 1: his check the bucks how big it was, and leaned

453
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,120
Speaker 1: over and the guy felt the muzzle of the gun

454
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 1: like in his back and his liver, and he turned

455
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:30,199
Speaker 1: he turned around to be like because the guy was

456
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,639
Speaker 1: leaning over him to look like this, and had his

457
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 1: had the gun pointed down in his back, he wouldn't

458
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 1: paying attention the hammer drops. He just didn't have a disk,

459
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:43,160
Speaker 1: didn't have a primer in the muzzlo. If he would

460
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,120
Speaker 1: have had a primer muzzleloer, the dudeoel have been dead

461
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,880
Speaker 1: right there and then heard this, heard the hammer drop,

462
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 1: heard the snap of the hammer and turned around to

463
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 1: see a dude there with a gun pointing into his

464
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:57,400
Speaker 1: liver like point blank range. My my friend and co worker, Law,

465
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,680
Speaker 1: he will at Stone Glacier got shot in the guts

466
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 1: when he was a kid by a h a green

467
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 1: horn hunter. Yeah. Law grew up out in the sticks,

468
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,160
Speaker 1: out in Wildman and uh, they took a buddy out

469
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 1: and introduced him the hunting. And I don't know if

470
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 1: they were I'm gonna butcher the story if I don't

471
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 1: know if they're hunting rabbits or whatever they were doing,

472
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 1: but I believe it was a small caliber rifle like

473
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 1: a two. And by the end of the horrible story,

474
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:26,640
Speaker 1: Lao had a twenty two bullet in his guts. Really yeah,

475
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 1: shot in the forties, Yeah, with a shotgun, right, someone

476
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 1: shot him to the the foot hunting rabbits. But I've never

477
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 1: even like it's funny because I've never even seen like

478
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,159
Speaker 1: a close I mean, I haven't been around even like

479
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 1: a close call. But got to hear about it, man,

480
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 1: it's scary. Keep your stuff, malls of control. That'll solve

481
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 1: all every one of those problems. Yea, every sorry treat

482
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 1: every every it's loaded, every guns loaded. Yeah. Yeah, the

483
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,399
Speaker 1: gun club I used to belong to Washington, Dad like

484
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 1: that some major general's principles or whatever. Well, the n

485
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 1: A has a safegun handling wallss. Don't point at anything

486
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 1: you don't always loaded, don't point at anything you don't

487
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 1: intend to shoot, and never put your finger on the

488
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 1: trigger until fire. Safe gun handling hard hard to mess

489
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 1: up with those three rules. It rules out a lot

490
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,679
Speaker 1: of They're pretty foul. Everyone followed that we wouldn't be

491
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 1: having the conversation. I got one of those Reming tants

492
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 1: one time. I remember what maker model of the gun

493
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 1: this is, But those Reming tans, when you flipped them

494
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 1: from uh fire or safety to fire when the seven defense.

495
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 1: I was trying to shoot a fox on Kodiak one

496
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 1: day and got lined up on this fox. He's like

497
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 1: two hundred yards away, and I flipped it from safety

498
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 1: to fire and boom going one off and scared because

499
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: you had a finger on it. No, I did not

500
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 1: touch the trigger at all. There was it was people

501
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 1: got shot. A lot of people in Montana. There was

502
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 1: a defect and how there was years ago right this is.

503
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: Lots of people wrote in about deer crawling. We talked

504
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: about a guy that was saying, I watched the deer

505
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 1: crawl on his knees across the power line cut. Our buddy,

506
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 1: Steve Jones is a wild game chef, very good one.

507
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 1: Um Me and Yanni have fed off his cookings. Okay,

508
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 1: hope we'll get to do that again. Good dude, he says. Now,

509
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 1: he says he similar sees three does three antlerless deer

510
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 1: crossed the power cut on his farm, his fellers from Missouri.

511
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 1: Two of them cross normal and yet as normal as

512
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 1: any other deer. The third and largest, when she crossed

513
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 1: the cut, she crouched down and slunk across the cut

514
00:29:55,840 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 1: without pausing or stopping. Once she got across. She back

515
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: up and walked away like any other deer. She was

516
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 1: moving quickly en up. He's like, I'm positive she was

517
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: not walking on her knees. As one guy that rolled

518
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 1: in to say he saw a deer walking on his knees.

519
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 1: It was just a deep crouch and it looked extremely

520
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: weird and definitely appeared to be an attempt to reduce

521
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: her visibility. Another guy rolled it and said another guy

522
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 1: rolling and said he flat out watched a buck crawl

523
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 1: on its knees. They were making a deer drive, and

524
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,479
Speaker 1: he's he looks back and his dad's coming through, and

525
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 1: he watched the bucks go down and crawling on his

526
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,719
Speaker 1: knees for seventy five yards right in front of him.

527
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 1: No one ever believed him, he says. When he heard

528
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 1: us talk about, he says, he about drove off the road.

529
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 1: I was wondering thinking about this the other day. I

530
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: was wondering why the deer crawl? Why would it crawl

531
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 1: across the power line? It's wide open, what do you oh,

532
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 1: there's a lot of brushy power They're typically they're typically brushy.

533
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 1: I was thinking of, like, okay, because all second growths,

534
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: all regeneration man, I was just thinking staying keeping little

535
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 1: pro and they know the people our eyes perched up

536
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 1: on power That's one thing I've perched up on. More

537
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 1: shot a lot of turkeys on under Yeah, we got

538
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: a turkey this spring. I'm one of those super loud

539
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 1: power lines and killed two out of there where you're

540
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 1: like hun, You're like, you know, you're like trying to

541
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 1: get into the peacefulness. And I was just like nature,

542
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 1: it's electricities. But that's the thing, is like it's one

543
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 1: of those like power cuts, one of those weird things

544
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: where typically people are like, oh, yeah, any activity of

545
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 1: man is negative. But if you if you live in

546
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 1: some poor and I grew up in some poor, low grade,

547
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 1: poor ass soil country where the typical like like a

548
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 1: forest they're kind of matured into because sandy soils and

549
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: kind of matured into like small white pines and bushy

550
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 1: little scrub oaks like not rich place. But power cuts

551
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 1: we're good edge habitat, man, Yeah, because it created it

552
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 1: created brush, and it created edge habitat because you can

553
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 1: go out in the woods in most places you look

554
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 1: two d yards there's not a lot of cover. So

555
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: power cuts like as a fur trapper, you, dude, you

556
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 1: get it as excited about a power cut as he

557
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 1: did a river. Things travel on power cuts. They called

558
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 1: a lot of fox on power cuts because they can

559
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 1: they can hunt the brush and there's usually like a

560
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: little road down so it gives like a great game

561
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 1: trail that runs down through the brush and everything would

562
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 1: run upon. Yeah. I know a lot of guys that

563
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: are put a tree stand up and see a power cut.

564
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 1: Put a tree stand up. Every yeah, edge habitat, this

565
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 1: is a break, a break and something in a travel corridor. Well,

566
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 1: that dear that was crawling must not a thought. Well

567
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 1: a guy might be in a tree, so you can

568
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 1: see down either way whether I crawl or not. It's

569
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: hard to say how much dear thought thought it. But

570
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: it isn't not worthy. And I just want to acknowledge,

571
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: Like I have a hard time picture it, but I

572
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 1: want to knowledge that. If there's people out there debate

573
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: at this point, a little bit of follow up to one, Yeah,

574
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 1: he's gonna explain this one the Ohio a guy shot

575
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 1: a gigantic white tail in Ohio in buck six points?

576
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 1: Is this the world record one? Or that was not?

577
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 1: It was? That was? This is the poacher poetry in Ohio.

578
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 1: It's a little different. And he did a bunch of

579
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: crazy stuff, like he had a dough and he like

580
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 1: cut one's deer's head off and tried to like another deer,

581
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 1: and he had all kinds of stuff. He was shady, shady.

582
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 1: It wasn't like he messed up and made a mistake.

583
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: It was like he was He killed a buck, saw

584
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 1: a big buck, shot the big buck. Tried to switch

585
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 1: everybody's heads around this weird stuff. It winds up like

586
00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: a super guilty, super guilty sound, super guilty seamen stuff

587
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 1: and gets a fine. It's dollars Amish guy, that's right.

588
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 1: Everyone likes to point out that the brother's Amish, But me,

589
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 1: come on, if you as a descriptor, if he was Methodist,

590
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: would that be a big part of the story. Well,

591
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 1: he probably wearing you know, certain type of clothing. Well,

592
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 1: they said he was unavailable for comment. But I feel

593
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 1: like it's like a little It's like it's not respond

594
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 1: to text me racist because it's not like a racial thing,

595
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 1: but it's like a prejudice. Like people everyone's like Amish man.

596
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 1: The headlines Amish man. It would never be like Baptist man.

597
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:43,359
Speaker 1: What is going going through mountain attacks. You know, they're

598
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 1: the mountain lion attacks and in Washington, UM last year,

599
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 1: and yeah, I'm searching through Google and they're all the

600
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 1: exact same story, but one of the headlines, I feel,

601
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:58,959
Speaker 1: purely in order to make it stand out a little

602
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 1: bit more, is instead of cyclist attacked by mountain lion,

603
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 1: Jewish cyclist. Even getting like it's gotten this bad, the

604
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 1: anti Semite cat. Yeah, I don't get like, like, I

605
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 1: don't know, Amish might be more of a descriptor, like

606
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 1: you could picture what he might look like. I know,

607
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 1: but a little bit I'm like a little bit uncomfortable with. Um,

608
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: I'm a little bit uncomfortable with I don't know what

609
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 1: it's playing into. I don't know what it's feeding into. No,

610
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 1: I agree, you're like, but it's a big denomin but

611
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 1: it's like, I don't know, it just makes me like

612
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 1: slightly uncomfortable. I would not be just a poacher, that's true.

613
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 1: Like it's worse. You know, they keep it's a low

614
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 1: profile maybe and maybe they're known to I don't know,

615
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: to never do anything. These are the exact sties, right, No,

616
00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: I know that's what I'm saying. But that's what I'm saying.

617
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: Why some one would I would say, well, you wouldn't

618
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 1: believe it. It wasn't just any poacher breaking Sish the

619
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 1: good you know, you know, the parable the good Smaritans. Well, um, dude,

620
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 1: the good Smaritans. Samaritans were known as horrible people. So

621
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 1: people always like, what you're saying is a good bad guy. Yeah,

622
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 1: you're saying like these guys are the Smaritans are the

623
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 1: worst of the worst. So yeah, blat of people don't

624
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 1: realize that that's part of it. Like the Smaritans had

625
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 1: a very bad I gather, I don't I hope I'm

626
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 1: not offending any Smaritans out there, had a real bad reputation.

627
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 1: And then so it's like the fact that one turns

628
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: out being good, it's real surprising. So when you say,

629
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,320
Speaker 1: like an Amish poacher, I don't know if you're saying

630
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:47,359
Speaker 1: like these pillars of virtue or if you're saying it

631
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: just goes to show you certain religious people. So we're

632
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: talking about notice, so someone just wrote in to explain

633
00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 1: how they had come up with the dollar fine, right, yeah,

634
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 1: which is a good story. Yeah, and in and I

635
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 1: try to get ahold of the legal department over at

636
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 1: Ohio Game and Fish. Should it calls you Pete, that's

637
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: where you help from. Maybe you just say call Cindy. Um.

638
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 1: But I couldn't get an answer on our They have

639
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: a formula on how they figure out, um, how much

640
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: to find a person. Understand it's exponential to the size

641
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: of the antlers. The formula is gross score minus one d.

642
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 1: That's the part that gets me and finished, yeah, uh

643
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 1: to the second power times a dollar and sixty. So

644
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 1: it's the So this box was a two twenty something.

645
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 1: You act a hundred off and then square that number

646
00:37:55,560 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 1: and times. I love the sentiment and of sure that

647
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 1: someone could explain it. I don't get the part about

648
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: was it like without taking a hundred off and not

649
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,839
Speaker 1: being like, man, that's a big fine. How can we

650
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 1: make it less? And so I was like, well, let's

651
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 1: take a hundred off then square was there how they calculated? No,

652
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 1: we're trying to figure out where they where where it

653
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: came from, Like where did the dollar sixty five come from?

654
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: I'm sure that there is a repeated it's gross score yep,

655
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 1: minus one hundred then square that number squared. So for example,

656
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: we know that a two or thirty inch deer. It

657
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 1: gets you about twenty eight thous dollars in trouble. And

658
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:41,839
Speaker 1: actually I did the mask to thirty ended up being

659
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:46,959
Speaker 1: a because there was some add on. Yeah, so let's

660
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: just say you're not that lucky of a poacher to

661
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 1: get into two thirty and you just kill a hundred

662
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 1: fifty in and they started in Ohio. That's where they

663
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 1: can That's when trophy starts. Oh so that's when it's

664
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 1: like a different kind of poaching. I like the system, man,

665
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: because I think if a dude, if a guy like

666
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 1: shot him, if a guy shots a spike, it's just

667
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, It's like, I don't I'm not

668
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,760
Speaker 1: condoning anything, any kind of violation or poacher, but it's

669
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 1: a guy that poaches trophy class stuff, in my mind,

670
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 1: is a different kind of poacher than But I feel

671
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 1: like this might be encouraging folks just shoot the spikes.

672
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 1: Be like, hey, that spikes for us. You know, now

673
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: that we've given the formula, it's not that bad. Okay,

674
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 1: we run it out. But he shoots, let's say he

675
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 1: shot you know you came from I think the state

676
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 1: pays you at that point, that's what that's got to be.

677
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:48,760
Speaker 1: What it is, may well know what it is because

678
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 1: the restitution, the trophy restitution doesn't kick in until it

679
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: gets to a certain size. This is I mean, the

680
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 1: way this is set up is that animal has been

681
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 1: that belongs to the states, to the people of the state,

682
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 1: has been costing the people of the state money as

683
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 1: it grows, right, and by the time it gets into

684
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 1: a trophy class animal, it has lived much longer and

685
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 1: eaten much more, and it has a greater cultural value.

686
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 1: That's the thought they're trying to recoup the grass the

687
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 1: thing at oh Man, you're saying that we management is expensive. Okay,

688
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: got creating a talking about his day to day diet. No,

689
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 1: but I was expensive to the state. I think he's

690
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 1: justify it very it's expensive to the state. It takes

691
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: work an effort to have it situation which deer can

692
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 1: become three, four or five years old. It's like it

693
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 1: happens not by accident. Absolutely committed allowing it to happen,

694
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 1: and you just screwed the whole thing up. And there's

695
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 1: a lot of people who are paying real good money

696
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 1: buying licenses and paying least fees and putting out tree stands,

697
00:40:57,920 --> 00:40:59,320
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden you robbed everybody of that.

698
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 1: Now you're gonna pay? What if you showed it? What

699
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 1: if you shoot a dough it's probably a different So

700
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 1: if you don't get the like trophy restitution. But then

701
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 1: also I think, if I'm hearing you correctly, Steve, you

702
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 1: are also like the odds of a man who is

703
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 1: poaching because he is he or she. I suppose this

704
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,839
Speaker 1: poacher is poaching because they're starving to death and them

705
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 1: happening to come up with a two thirty seven inch deer. Yeah,

706
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 1: real lucky, real real unlucky. Yeah. I like, personally, I

707
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 1: see both sides of it. I'd be like, well, it's poaching,

708
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: is poaching, it doesn't matter. I see that. I also

709
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 1: see that if you're out trying to poach trophy class animals,

710
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 1: it's just the worst, like all crimes relative. Well, that

711
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 1: it would make sense to me if there's like the

712
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 1: baseline punishments and this is just an extra add on

713
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:56,800
Speaker 1: in case you're in in case that dear is bigger

714
00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: than or scores bigger than. Yeah, well, the exponential you know,

715
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 1: the squaring really does a lot because the hundred fifty

716
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 1: inch only costs you four thousand. Oh man, Yeah, they

717
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 1: don't want you getting them. Bill Booners know, well, just

718
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:21,359
Speaker 1: even on like the the poacher, because you're starving to death. Example, right,

719
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 1: even if you are poaching for big gas trophy class animals,

720
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 1: likely not going to be your first foray into the

721
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:33,959
Speaker 1: poaching field and you're coming up with a two back. Yeah,

722
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 1: even if you are a dead set on a big

723
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: trophy class critter, you've probably got some real poaching under

724
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:41,839
Speaker 1: your belt by the time you come up with one

725
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 1: of those. Yeah, you've actually got good at it. That's

726
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 1: an interesting subject. You Everyone that makes its own gravy too,

727
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,840
Speaker 1: there's another poach in case it makes them gravy. You

728
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 1: guys ready for this, you know? For I do that

729
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 1: guy asked hum Ken make hog jerky without getting trick mhm.

730
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 1: I gotta get it up to temp man. When I

731
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 1: got reported, when I did, when I got trick analysis, Uh,

732
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 1: you know, it's a CDC reportable disease. So you had

733
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:17,280
Speaker 1: to go down and they and and I was reported

734
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 1: in King County. And the guy that got it before

735
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 1: me got it two thousand seven. He got it from

736
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 1: Mountain lion jerky. Oh, because if you're not bringing it

737
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 1: up to temp, you're not destroying You're not destroying the ciss.

738
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:33,720
Speaker 1: So if you're making just like if you're taking trick

739
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 1: positive meat or drying it at a hundred degrees good enough,

740
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 1: you're still you. You're still susceptible to getting trick. So

741
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 1: I'm assuming he's talking wild hog jerky. Yeah, you gotta

742
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 1: bring it up. I haven't made a whole lot of

743
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 1: bear jerky, but when I have, we just threw it

744
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 1: in the oven and and and stuck it in the

745
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: oven at two for long time, just to get it

746
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 1: up to temperature. No, what do you got to think

747
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 1: about the answer is, yes, you can. He's saying, let me.

748
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:13,240
Speaker 1: He says, can you make hog jerky without getting tricked?

749
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:17,800
Speaker 1: My answer would be, well, that that's a that's I

750
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 1: don't like how it's phrased. Certainly there are plenty of

751
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 1: can you know? If he said can you make hog

752
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,359
Speaker 1: jerky and be certain you will not get tricked, then

753
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 1: the answer is no, can you make hog jerky without

754
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 1: getting tricked? I'm sure it's been done. Is that a

755
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 1: good idea? No, it's not a good idea because you

756
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 1: are not killing the Yeah, mostly you're just gonna end

757
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 1: up with a little more overcooked jerky than you'd probably

758
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 1: like to have. Yeah, is not as good as jerky

759
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 1: has been dried. What's the special number we go for

760
00:44:54,080 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 1: to ki, Yeah, well sixty. I recently had a debate

761
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 1: with someone where they're saying, uh, I was saying, you

762
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 1: gotta cook havelina? Do you know of anybody getting tricked

763
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 1: from Havelina? And I had to acknowledge that, No, I don't.

764
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 1: They they're like omnivorous, they eat all kinds of meat. Yeah,

765
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 1: I've I've actually, man, yeah, I've eaten there has to

766
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 1: be a possibility I mean undercooked. I've meant undercooked Havelena.

767
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:27,839
Speaker 1: I mean like not undercooked, but under one sixty. I'm sure.

768
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:30,879
Speaker 1: I'm sure someone's looking to type that up. Yehnny, that's

769
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:36,399
Speaker 1: a good that's a good point. A trick from it's

770
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 1: been it's been linked to walrus where wild pigs. Why yeah, why,

771
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 1: Like you said, why would not mountain lions carry it?

772
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 1: It's not like it's just a pork thing. No, mountain

773
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 1: lions carry it. All that stuff, even like like weasels, rats, mice,

774
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 1: there's no way that I have Lina, which are going

775
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 1: to eat a dead dog if you let it, that's

776
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 1: exempt from this is not getting it. So there's no

777
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: there's no unglance that Carrie, now that I know of. No.

778
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 1: Even though a white tailed deer have now been proven

779
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 1: to eat birds out of their nests, people have seen it.

780
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 1: So you wonder, that's crazy, man, if you got a

781
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 1: deer out and your kids like people a little baby birds,

782
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:24,319
Speaker 1: come on, that's horrible. Tell dude, in Europe, even our

783
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 1: even our deer song birds. Okay, here here's the here's

784
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,359
Speaker 1: the here's the poaching case that this is the one

785
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 1: that I think makes it's gravy, makes his own gravy,

786
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 1: and the way it's been covered is annoying. First, okay,

787
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 1: this is a tricky one. This is a tricky one.

788
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 1: So there's some guys in Prince Williams sound um and

789
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 1: they kill a blackbird out it's den and kill some

790
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 1: cobs out of the den. Now, a couple of things

791
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 1: that are interesting. One they this den is under surveillance

792
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 1: by fishing Game for a study. So these guys do

793
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 1: it all on camera. Ah, so there's no doubt about

794
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 1: guilt here to get him on film doing this. They

795
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:21,399
Speaker 1: one thing that's interesting is they kill a black bear

796
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 1: sal and kill some cubs, but then butcher the butcher

797
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 1: the sal for meat and haul off the meat, but

798
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 1: then later decided to come back and get the cups.

799
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:37,359
Speaker 1: These guys get hit with some heavy duty fines ah

800
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:47,879
Speaker 1: dollar fine, jail time, um, and then they lose a

801
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 1: ton of stuff right down to boats, oh, trailers, guns,

802
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:58,800
Speaker 1: all kinds of stuff in this I'm looking at this,

803
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 1: this publication called the Hill, and this is where this

804
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:03,959
Speaker 1: thing starts to make it scrapy. So these guys get

805
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:09,399
Speaker 1: humongous fine and this thing confuses this rule that we've

806
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 1: talked about a ton of times, which everybody keeps reporting

807
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 1: in the most irresponsible way possible. Where in Alaska, there

808
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 1: was recently under the Obama administration, they put some some

809
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:28,279
Speaker 1: game management practice restrictions on refuge lands in Alaska. So

810
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 1: you're talking like of the total land mass of Alaska

811
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 1: is in the refuge system. And the federal government came

812
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 1: in and had some federal overlays of management practices that

813
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 1: could not be used by the state on refuge land.

814
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 1: And it had to do it has to do with

815
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 1: like bear baiting, um with den digging, digging black bears

816
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 1: out of den with artificial light, like they banned it.

817
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 1: Where the state couldn't decide to use management practices on

818
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 1: refuge land. Meanwhile, the state is able to do whatever

819
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 1: management practices they desire on the other eight seven percent

820
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:12,240
Speaker 1: of the state and in most cases do not allow

821
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 1: these managements. They don't allow these management practices. So this

822
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 1: is a funny example where here's a guy hunting, not

823
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 1: on a refuge He kills the baron's den, goes to jail,

824
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 1: gets a massive fine, loses all of his equipment, loses

825
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 1: his boat, loses his guns, can't hunt anymore, right, not

826
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 1: on a refuge land. It's in a place where the

827
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 1: state does not allow the killing of cubs. So this

828
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 1: piece then reports it and they point out like, oh,

829
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 1: they do so little research. They point out that, oh, um,

830
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 1: it used to be uh. They try to make it illegal,

831
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 1: but Alaska won't. It doesn't want to be illegal. It's like, no,

832
00:49:56,200 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 1: not exactly right. This is Alaska deciding that this place

833
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:03,880
Speaker 1: that's not legal and then prosecuting the piss out of

834
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 1: a guy who breaks the rule. But you keep seeing

835
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:10,439
Speaker 1: this narrative pushed in the news that somehow Alaska wants

836
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:13,919
Speaker 1: to just gloves off, dig every bear in the state

837
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,839
Speaker 1: out of its then and kill it, and people will

838
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 1: not no one, no one will report this responsibly and

839
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 1: explaining what it is that they're talking about. They keep

840
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:26,840
Speaker 1: making a big deal about shooting, like, oh, we can

841
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,319
Speaker 1: shoot cariboo out of boats. That happens in one game

842
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 1: management unit on the North Slope where people have traditionally

843
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:34,800
Speaker 1: intercepted migrating herds of carib who as they swim across

844
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 1: big rivers. So the whole state you can't. There's a

845
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 1: place that you can where they feel that it's judicious

846
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 1: uh and and conforms of their management policies to do

847
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,799
Speaker 1: it there. But no, like, no one will report this

848
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 1: properly makes the headline. There's a lot of details around

849
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 1: that case too. Then that those guys got one a

850
00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 1: thirty day There was some jail time involved. It was

851
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:02,760
Speaker 1: thirty day sentence, but it was commuted. Maybe the sons

852
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 1: was commuted and the fathers was to be carried out,

853
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 1: I believe because the kid was only it was I

854
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 1: think seventeen would have happened. But the father also falsified

855
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:14,800
Speaker 1: who killed what and lied and false fied some documents

856
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 1: and did some things that were somehow during this exchange,

857
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 1: Dad uh wanted to make make it so he had

858
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 1: shot the bear. Not yeah, not the kids. It was

859
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 1: Dad's tag that ended up on the south. Oh really,

860
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 1: and they've got game cash. You said, they've got game

861
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 1: camera footage of of the You know, it's a little

862
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,360
Speaker 1: bit like a little bit too late speaking of the

863
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 1: fine thing is that's good? The kid also part of

864
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:46,760
Speaker 1: his sentence, which is like community service, suspended jail time, fines,

865
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 1: they also sentenced him to take hunter safety courts two

866
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 1: years two years no hunt, two years no hunt for that. No,

867
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:02,839
Speaker 1: it's good. Ah, what do you what do you do?

868
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I just feel like these folks have been

869
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 1: living underneath the rock somewhere. It's like, yeah, I mean

870
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 1: they're obviously they came back two days two days later

871
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 1: to try to clean it up. They obviously knew what

872
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:21,280
Speaker 1: was going on. So throw the book, Adam, I say, yeah,

873
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 1: that's not not not cool. Bro Um, do you want

874
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:29,880
Speaker 1: me to tell him about the Pennsylvania guy that might

875
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 1: get a couple of fines for not poaching but something, Yeah,

876
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:35,919
Speaker 1: this is something we should talk about me. I wanted

877
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 1: to talk about this. Yeah, this is a crazy story. Yeah,

878
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 1: this felt. I gets a call from his buddies buddy

879
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 1: who must live on or he's near lake, and he says, hey, man,

880
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:51,359
Speaker 1: a bunch of deer fell through the ice struggling. So

881
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 1: he shows up on the scene. Some of the deer

882
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 1: have gotten out, but there's a small box. It's a

883
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 1: spike of work, and yeah, he's still stuck in the wall.

884
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 1: So there's already already some rescuers, their fire department, I think,

885
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:06,879
Speaker 1: and they get the buck out, and I think it's

886
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 1: a story when there was already some management, um, wildlife

887
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 1: management folks. They're on the scene and um the guy

888
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 1: volunteers to take the buck home and try to warm

889
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:21,839
Speaker 1: it up. Nobody says no, so he's like so they're

890
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:24,319
Speaker 1: like yeah, because the box like is not moving right,

891
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:26,799
Speaker 1: He's just laying there, barely breathing. So these figures, I'll

892
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 1: stick him in the garage, throw some blankets on him

893
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 1: and hopefully get is you know, temperature back up, and

894
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 1: run out at the garage door. Well, uh, I think

895
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:38,720
Speaker 1: he's in the garage for thirty six hours or something

896
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:44,879
Speaker 1: and unfortunately dies. Well, then the Pennsylvania Game Commission comes

897
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:48,759
Speaker 1: around and says, you shouldn't have taken that deer. You

898
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,280
Speaker 1: can relocate wildlife, but it has to be from one

899
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 1: wild area to another. You can't take it home and

900
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 1: keep it alive. Now he's looking at find up to

901
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:04,839
Speaker 1: of dollars the deer died. Talk about that that's that's

902
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 1: very hard to prove because look at where white tails live,

903
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 1: like that could be as wild as that could do

904
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 1: is garage. It could be just as wild as und

905
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 1: I would disagree with the garage, as wild as anything.

906
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe he needed to be outside next to the driveway,

907
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:27,359
Speaker 1: next to the shrubs. And then I see what you're saying.

908
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 1: The pictures, he's just a picture. It's like he's got

909
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:36,760
Speaker 1: laid out with a blanket and a Pillow's got a pillow.

910
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:39,400
Speaker 1: It's like laid out like a child laying there. It's

911
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:41,840
Speaker 1: like it's like a deer. So he didn't even I

912
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 1: haven't liked it. I have a lot of question about

913
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 1: diddy check. He's in the garage. The buck is laying

914
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 1: on his side, his head's on a pillow, and he's

915
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:52,279
Speaker 1: like funked in with a blanket. He's trying to help.

916
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:55,839
Speaker 1: It's all boils down to your intention because they thought

917
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:58,879
Speaker 1: pettent it would calm it. Now, No, that's not gonna help.

918
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 1: That's like not what he's after. Uh my buddy Ryan

919
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 1: Laton one time was he pulled he fished two fawns,

920
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 1: two fawn blacktails out of the ocean and pulled him

921
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:16,879
Speaker 1: up on his landing craft and one died. I think

922
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 1: then you know when he got wrapped up in a

923
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:22,840
Speaker 1: space blanket and got it to shore and wrapped up

924
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 1: in another blanket and got it warmed off, and event

925
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 1: she ran off, so he'd be like breaking the law.

926
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 1: But do you like he didn't bring home. Here's a

927
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:31,400
Speaker 1: whole different left turn. Would you do you eat it?

928
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 1: At that point the deer dies in your garage with

929
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 1: a pillow in the blanket, I think this guy probably

930
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:41,320
Speaker 1: doesn't eat it. Basically, yeah, I feel like it respect

931
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:42,719
Speaker 1: to the deer that you would eat it rather than

932
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 1: just bury it. I can relate pretty closely to the story.

933
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:48,279
Speaker 1: I was out antelop hunting one day and found a

934
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:51,280
Speaker 1: white tail fawn that had been smoked by a truck

935
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 1: and was laying in the middle of the road, very wounded.

936
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 1: Um heavily king cussed, but it's its legs were not broken.

937
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 1: And within a year of finding this year, I had

938
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:05,840
Speaker 1: found another fawn that was horribly hit by a car, alive,

939
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 1: all legs broken, and I shot the deer put it

940
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 1: out of its misery on the side of the road,

941
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:14,360
Speaker 1: and that was a horrible experience. Anyways, I find this

942
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 1: other one and its legs are not broken. So I

943
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 1: did with this Pennsylvania guy did I've loaded him up

944
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 1: and I called f WP as I took it home

945
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:25,759
Speaker 1: and I said, I've just found this wounded baby deer.

946
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:29,799
Speaker 1: They said that cannot be in your possession. You need

947
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:33,320
Speaker 1: to uh go put it back you found it or

948
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 1: quickly handed off to someone else. So I took care

949
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:39,840
Speaker 1: of it for a short period of time and handed

950
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:43,799
Speaker 1: it over to a wildlife sanctuary in Hamilton, Montana. And

951
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:45,840
Speaker 1: as far as I know that deer lived a happy,

952
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:50,480
Speaker 1: healthy life, why do you doubt it? Because I hear

953
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 1: I've heard from people that like that they have a

954
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:58,880
Speaker 1: horrible time, uh deal with wounded wounded deer. This thing,

955
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 1: this thing was heavily can cussed, like its head was

956
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:07,239
Speaker 1: just spinning around, lived happily ever after well, I was

957
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:10,840
Speaker 1: around the deer for upwards of a week and UH

958
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:20,200
Speaker 1: took it. Yeah, I love it. Not really interesting, Yeah

959
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 1: I do. I yeah, especially after it was like this

960
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 1: this Uh you know, I had like a second chance

961
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:29,400
Speaker 1: because a year prior I had uh yeah, put it,

962
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 1: put down this poor little creature that I can't fix

963
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 1: your broken legs. You know, this thing didn't have a chance.

964
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 1: So I did. I finished off a very wounded deer

965
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:38,959
Speaker 1: on the side of the road, and it broke my heart.

966
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 1: And then a year later I was like, maybe this

967
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 1: one has a chance. Its legs are not broken. And

968
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 1: so it made it through the first week and as

969
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 1: far as I know, lived happily ever after in Hamilton,

970
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 1: Montana at a wild life sanctuary. Did they name it No?

971
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 1: I named it a little baby road rash because it

972
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:01,439
Speaker 1: was scraped up real bad. This is really I'm looking

973
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 1: at you totally different to me now, man. I like

974
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 1: what I'm seeing. I like what I'm seeing when I

975
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 1: look at you. This is a related story, uh that

976
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 1: the guy wrote in about the guy lives in Idaho

977
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:17,680
Speaker 1: and he runs into a guy who is from an

978
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:22,640
Speaker 1: out of stator from Ohio who's out wolf hunting and

979
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:25,439
Speaker 1: the guy's asking around. He says he's been hunting, has

980
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:28,920
Speaker 1: took us off, hasn't seen any wolves. This guy says, well,

981
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 1: I'll keep my eyes. I won't let you know what

982
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 1: I hear and what I see, and likewise, let me

983
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 1: know if you are running any elk. Because he's hunting

984
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 1: for elk. Oh guys from Missouri, not Ohio. So he

985
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:44,919
Speaker 1: goes out hunting elk. The local goes out hunting elk,

986
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 1: gets into a bunch of wolves, calls a dude from Missouri.

987
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 1: The dude tells him he man get out to this area.

988
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 1: The guy goes out, sure enough, gets a wolf. So

989
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 1: he's real happy with this local fella. Then he calls

990
00:58:57,880 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 1: him and he's saying, you're not gonna believe this. This

991
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 1: the Missouri guy in Idaho calling the local fellow. You're

992
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 1: not gonna believe this. But we turned onto a bridge

993
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 1: and there was a big bull standing on the bridge,

994
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 1: and this bull jumped off the bridge and it right

995
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:20,000
Speaker 1: now is laying down on the rocks with a broken back.

996
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:27,960
Speaker 1: So come get it. Yeah, Well, a while later, the

997
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:32,400
Speaker 1: guy calls the wolf hunter calls the guy back, goes,

998
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, man, we just drove by again and

999
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:38,080
Speaker 1: now it's dead on the rocks. He says, it's a

1000
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 1: big bull and the guy, the local guy was like,

1001
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 1: were there from Missouri? Is probably a raghorn. What do

1002
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:45,640
Speaker 1: they know about big bulls? With him and his body

1003
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 1: who still got a elk? Take drive over. It's a

1004
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 1: three fifty bulls laying dead under the bridge. And he said,

1005
00:59:55,120 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 1: we had a grueling twenty yard pack out. Yeah, tagged

1006
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:01,680
Speaker 1: in the haul the home a little. I've seen a

1007
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 1: video of he said me. It was all good video

1008
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 1: of somebody driving their car across the bridge and some

1009
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 1: rut crazed white tail comes onto the bridge and it

1010
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:11,960
Speaker 1: doesn't know where to go and it spills off the

1011
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 1: side and executes itself pretty promptly. When I was going

1012
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:22,000
Speaker 1: to the University of Montana, I can't remember, it was

1013
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:24,960
Speaker 1: five or seven mule deer got into the parking garage,

1014
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 1: spiraled their way up the ramps to the top of

1015
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:31,600
Speaker 1: the parking garage, and then all bailed off and we're

1016
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:33,520
Speaker 1: all laying dead in the pile below the parking garage,

1017
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 1: off the edge there. And I remember at the same

1018
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:39,680
Speaker 1: around the same time, a mountain lion killed mule and

1019
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 1: stashed against the mechanical building, buried it against the cancer.

1020
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:49,120
Speaker 1: It's like this big rock over this big rock over here,

1021
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:53,160
Speaker 1: University Montana. You know, I think there's two students that

1022
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:57,880
Speaker 1: have been thoroughly beaten by white tails on campus. Yeah.

1023
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:01,520
Speaker 1: This one guy was walking back from a uh Grizzly

1024
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:05,520
Speaker 1: basketball game on this A sports team called the Grizzlies

1025
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:08,480
Speaker 1: could be the other thing that you can put together

1026
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:15,200
Speaker 1: in picture Grizzly Bears playing basketball. Yes. Um. Then uh yeah,

1027
01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:18,400
Speaker 1: she came around the corner and uh, you know, dark

1028
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:23,160
Speaker 1: corner of building there on campus, and started the white

1029
01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:26,800
Speaker 1: tail doe who had turned into the corner and didn't

1030
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:29,360
Speaker 1: have anywhere to go, so she the dough turned around

1031
01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:35,760
Speaker 1: and proceeded to pummel this gal into a massive concussion. Yeah,

1032
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 1: it's too bad. She's still alive. Yes, as far as

1033
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:47,280
Speaker 1: I know, so is the deer. What else you got you?

1034
01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:51,560
Speaker 1: I got one from this conversation. Let me ask you

1035
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:54,120
Speaker 1: guys this, let me pull you guys on the pole.

1036
01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:56,600
Speaker 1: You is a poll that finds out how smart people are.

1037
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:01,680
Speaker 1: So you're looking at a little button buck, speaking of box,

1038
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:05,880
Speaker 1: and you're looking at a little button buck, and you

1039
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:12,440
Speaker 1: see how he has like the raised hair where his

1040
01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:22,280
Speaker 1: antlers will be. Do bucks shed that little teensy disc

1041
01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:31,400
Speaker 1: or not? Oh, I'm gonna say, yeah, everybody's gonna be

1042
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:34,000
Speaker 1: quiet now, I gotta. I'm not staining from this because

1043
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:37,200
Speaker 1: I know I know the answer. I do not know

1044
01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:39,120
Speaker 1: the You know the answer, then you know that it's

1045
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:43,920
Speaker 1: slightly inconclusive. I'm gonna say, like, maybe they don't do

1046
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:47,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, like they spit off a little scab,

1047
01:02:47,080 --> 01:02:48,960
Speaker 1: or just say maybe they don't because it becomes part

1048
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:51,000
Speaker 1: of the base of the pedicle later on it So

1049
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:54,280
Speaker 1: you're saying it throws off a little scaba, you're going

1050
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:57,960
Speaker 1: middle ground. I don't want no. I'm saying that he's

1051
01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:04,240
Speaker 1: he's gonna shut a spineless I want to he's a

1052
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:06,360
Speaker 1: soft man. He's a soft man with the deer phone.

1053
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:12,400
Speaker 1: I can tell you hard man with a mountain lions. Yeah,

1054
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:15,160
Speaker 1: I think I think they shed a little do not shed?

1055
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:19,320
Speaker 1: I think you're probably right, But I'm not sure. We're

1056
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 1: talking about this because some guy was asking about it

1057
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:27,080
Speaker 1: and Brody was digging into it. Like the pedicles which

1058
01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:28,760
Speaker 1: were begin growing at a couple of months of age,

1059
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:32,600
Speaker 1: and buck fons provide the base from which the antler

1060
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:36,160
Speaker 1: will grow. So the little small hair covered hair covered

1061
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:41,400
Speaker 1: bumps are just a developing They're not antlers like the root.

1062
01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:46,040
Speaker 1: Infantile antlers are actual hardened antlers on a buck fawn

1063
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:49,480
Speaker 1: have not. This birth is tricky. They're saying this is

1064
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:51,720
Speaker 1: a research who was done in Virginia. They said in

1065
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:55,640
Speaker 1: Virginia they have not been documented, meaning no buck. They

1066
01:03:55,680 --> 01:03:58,640
Speaker 1: don't know if any bucket Virginia that actually grew a

1067
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:02,640
Speaker 1: hardened antler, of button buck that grew a hard and

1068
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:05,440
Speaker 1: antler and dropped it. But it says that they have.

1069
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:12,080
Speaker 1: They have been reported in other states that it would

1070
01:04:12,080 --> 01:04:25,800
Speaker 1: grow a little dency dency I was getting that little wetting. Yeah,

1071
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:28,200
Speaker 1: they grow their first set antlers and they are approximately

1072
01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:31,800
Speaker 1: one year of age. So you're saying that's the development

1073
01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:35,200
Speaker 1: of the pedicle, is what you're seeing. But reported there,

1074
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:37,800
Speaker 1: that's where it gets tricky. All that that All that

1075
01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:40,640
Speaker 1: means is some guys said, hey, man, I've seen it,

1076
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:43,920
Speaker 1: said you said you knew the answer cow is that

1077
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:49,120
Speaker 1: where you were like all this hardcore? No, how yeah,

1078
01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:51,600
Speaker 1: it is. It is my understanding that that is the

1079
01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:57,560
Speaker 1: development of the pedicle um. It does not shed um,

1080
01:04:57,720 --> 01:05:03,560
Speaker 1: and U if you know, some of those big bucks

1081
01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:06,760
Speaker 1: may just have extra entry two on everybody by having

1082
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:13,840
Speaker 1: an over developed pedicle. I'm not saying that you can't.

1083
01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:17,919
Speaker 1: You don't measure the pedicle, man, No, just by looks yeah, look,

1084
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:23,760
Speaker 1: might look yeah yeah, true, you're good, Jani got uh

1085
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:28,720
Speaker 1: what do you gotta add there to that? Concluders even no,

1086
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:31,600
Speaker 1: not even a general concluder. Oh, I can come up

1087
01:05:31,640 --> 01:05:33,880
Speaker 1: with one. Is it time for that yet? It's not

1088
01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:38,400
Speaker 1: you gotta go somewhere. No, it's Friday. Man. Just feeling

1089
01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:41,800
Speaker 1: I'm feeling like I like what I was set out

1090
01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:46,040
Speaker 1: to get done has been gotten done. Um, I got

1091
01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:49,200
Speaker 1: a good one. Charlie wrote in about and since we

1092
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:50,880
Speaker 1: got Pete here, I think you can help us answer

1093
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:53,000
Speaker 1: because I actually was dealing with this the other day

1094
01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:55,680
Speaker 1: and I was wishing I could call Pete and asking

1095
01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:59,720
Speaker 1: what I should do. But Charlie's I'm wondering how we

1096
01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:04,800
Speaker 1: keep our gear and clothes clean, especially from blood, and

1097
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:08,720
Speaker 1: how do we keep them old or free? What tricks

1098
01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:11,720
Speaker 1: and tips do we have? Mostly I was wondering about

1099
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:13,520
Speaker 1: how to get the blood out of my stone. Glacier

1100
01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:17,000
Speaker 1: pack packs are a big one because you bleach them.

1101
01:06:17,040 --> 01:06:20,760
Speaker 1: It ruins the stitching. Don't don't go bleaching your backpack.

1102
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:24,880
Speaker 1: I don't use bleach. Yanni uses hydrogen broxid bad or good.

1103
01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:27,880
Speaker 1: I think that sounds a little aggressive. I need to

1104
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:30,680
Speaker 1: aggress it. If you'd leave it on from water, rinsing

1105
01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:35,800
Speaker 1: it off pretty quick immediately, guy, spray brush, rinse, spray brush,

1106
01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:39,840
Speaker 1: rince until it's gone. I'm a soaker. I get my

1107
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:43,360
Speaker 1: bathtub full of hot water and I just submerge everything

1108
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:45,520
Speaker 1: for twenty four hours and then I come back with

1109
01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:48,840
Speaker 1: the dish brush and buff it off and then kind

1110
01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:52,000
Speaker 1: of repeat that cycle a handful of times. As far

1111
01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:54,800
Speaker 1: as keeping blood off your gear, if you don't have

1112
01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:57,000
Speaker 1: blood on your gear, you're not doing it right. And uh,

1113
01:06:57,160 --> 01:06:59,960
Speaker 1: if you don't smell bad, you're also not trying hard enough.

1114
01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:03,960
Speaker 1: So it's just the nature of of getting after it.

1115
01:07:04,040 --> 01:07:07,560
Speaker 1: But cleaning it up simple enough. I think you just

1116
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:11,600
Speaker 1: I soak it and scrub it over and over with

1117
01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:16,800
Speaker 1: a light detergent. Yeah, Mark Kanyon. In the white tail world,

1118
01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:19,000
Speaker 1: we'll probably have a different answer for I think keeping

1119
01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:21,200
Speaker 1: the stuff away free, but I could up in the

1120
01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:23,440
Speaker 1: white set world, man, that's just a different in the West,

1121
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:26,680
Speaker 1: it's a different thing. Seth had is a separate washing

1122
01:07:26,720 --> 01:07:31,280
Speaker 1: machine that you bought somewhere so that he only used

1123
01:07:32,560 --> 01:07:35,480
Speaker 1: a white tail. Outfits in the Midwest that have separate

1124
01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:39,320
Speaker 1: changing rooms, like separate clean rooms where you go in

1125
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:42,200
Speaker 1: and as ionizers all, you know, mounted on the wall

1126
01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:44,200
Speaker 1: and you have a locker with and you put yourself

1127
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:46,920
Speaker 1: in a zipper and it's got an ionizer to kill

1128
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:49,680
Speaker 1: the scent. And you're not allowed to go in there

1129
01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:51,600
Speaker 1: after you've eaten. You're not. I mean, you go in

1130
01:07:51,600 --> 01:07:53,640
Speaker 1: there with your hunting clothes and that's it. No smoking

1131
01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:58,120
Speaker 1: cigarettes in that room. Nothing, And that's that's that's what

1132
01:07:58,160 --> 01:08:01,440
Speaker 1: they do, and that's not I've seen probably more extreme

1133
01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:06,960
Speaker 1: examples than that though. Um. The Yeti Panga bags, the

1134
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:10,480
Speaker 1: there waterproof duffle is completely sealed. So I used to

1135
01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:13,840
Speaker 1: use that as a you know, when you're traveling no

1136
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:17,639
Speaker 1: way or in or out, that's completely you know, non

1137
01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:22,800
Speaker 1: contammenta or uncontaminated whatever the word is. UM situation trying

1138
01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:25,120
Speaker 1: to do that when you can. Was the mug asking

1139
01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:29,640
Speaker 1: that question? Was he um was he coming like like

1140
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:32,719
Speaker 1: was he talking about like older free for hunting purposes

1141
01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:35,320
Speaker 1: or older free for just home purposes, like he didn't

1142
01:08:35,320 --> 01:08:39,040
Speaker 1: want the stuff all smelly. Wasn't that much context in here,

1143
01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:43,600
Speaker 1: got it? Sorry, Yeah, you're that's I mean, that's a

1144
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:46,599
Speaker 1: regional thing. Like in the Midwest and in the East,

1145
01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:52,000
Speaker 1: hardcore white tail hunters are for sure, there's Western bow

1146
01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:56,839
Speaker 1: hunters that that do, uh go to the same extremes.

1147
01:08:56,880 --> 01:08:58,760
Speaker 1: They might try not do the same things, they certainly go.

1148
01:08:59,080 --> 01:09:06,000
Speaker 1: I haven't invested a scent in order eliminating or order

1149
01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:15,920
Speaker 1: masking things specific to hunting in I mean since easy

1150
01:09:16,120 --> 01:09:18,519
Speaker 1: ten plus years. At this point, I still wash all

1151
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:21,120
Speaker 1: my clothes at the like the scent free detergent all that.

1152
01:09:21,360 --> 01:09:23,000
Speaker 1: I gave up real hard on that. I grew up

1153
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:25,800
Speaker 1: in Ohio hunting deers and drank that kool Aid and

1154
01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:30,160
Speaker 1: it was hardcore scent cover. Yeah, I love the cool Aid.

1155
01:09:31,320 --> 01:09:35,360
Speaker 1: But one time to Montana starting hunting milk, you can't.

1156
01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:38,080
Speaker 1: You were going to sweat, You're going to smell bad,

1157
01:09:38,280 --> 01:09:41,519
Speaker 1: and if you're not, you're not probably not getting on elk.

1158
01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:46,200
Speaker 1: So I quickly just completely abandoned just play the wind.

1159
01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:48,880
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I think there's there's like room and we

1160
01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:50,439
Speaker 1: you know, we used to try. We used to have

1161
01:09:50,439 --> 01:09:52,679
Speaker 1: a lot of things. We even try, like having extra clothes.

1162
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:55,400
Speaker 1: We would like hike in one set of clothes and

1163
01:09:55,479 --> 01:09:57,439
Speaker 1: keep an extra set of clothes and only use those

1164
01:09:57,439 --> 01:09:59,800
Speaker 1: clothes for when you're in like total hunt mode. Go

1165
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:02,040
Speaker 1: down to the creek or a bottle of you know,

1166
01:10:02,040 --> 01:10:05,639
Speaker 1: we had baking soda in a spray bottle and getting

1167
01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:07,920
Speaker 1: creek water and putting it in there and spraying everything,

1168
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:11,920
Speaker 1: Like none of that hurts. You're never be like, well,

1169
01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:13,800
Speaker 1: I would have got the bull if I hadn't been

1170
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:16,960
Speaker 1: doing good sin control. Uh, none of it hurts, But

1171
01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:21,680
Speaker 1: it's hard to maintain. You want to get lazy, you

1172
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:24,120
Speaker 1: want to it's just or you do a lot. And

1173
01:10:24,720 --> 01:10:27,880
Speaker 1: on the backcountry hunt, I'd say it's almost negligible. I

1174
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:30,680
Speaker 1: think where you can do it and make it worthwhile

1175
01:10:31,439 --> 01:10:34,080
Speaker 1: because you have just the luxury of a truck or

1176
01:10:34,120 --> 01:10:37,280
Speaker 1: a trailer is on like a spot. It's something like

1177
01:10:37,280 --> 01:10:39,559
Speaker 1: that where you're hunting your every day. You're coming back

1178
01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:42,200
Speaker 1: to a camp where if you wanted to, you could

1179
01:10:42,200 --> 01:10:45,400
Speaker 1: have a separate change of clothes. The bulk of the

1180
01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:47,439
Speaker 1: white tail hunters or day hunt man like they're going

1181
01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:50,320
Speaker 1: from their house ye walking out to the stalking out

1182
01:10:50,360 --> 01:10:53,360
Speaker 1: to the tree standards you know from the lease or whatever.

1183
01:10:53,680 --> 01:10:56,479
Speaker 1: Then it seems doable. But why not be paranoia? Man?

1184
01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:58,960
Speaker 1: Why not? Un Plus, you're sitting your stationary in a

1185
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:02,040
Speaker 1: tree and everything, all your scent and everything that, um,

1186
01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:05,240
Speaker 1: you're affecting the environment around you, and you basically sit

1187
01:11:05,280 --> 01:11:07,800
Speaker 1: there and watch your effect all day, like every time

1188
01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:10,280
Speaker 1: a deer comes and looks. I mean, that's your key

1189
01:11:10,360 --> 01:11:13,680
Speaker 1: in on those effects. Whereas when you're spotting, talking is

1190
01:11:13,720 --> 01:11:16,240
Speaker 1: the less of that intimacy. When I used to trap

1191
01:11:16,320 --> 01:11:18,559
Speaker 1: red fox, you had to be totally. You had to

1192
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:22,880
Speaker 1: be more paranoid than than a paranoid bowl hunter? Can

1193
01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:26,760
Speaker 1: you talk about like all the equipment? It takes a lot.

1194
01:11:28,040 --> 01:11:29,760
Speaker 1: Last time we did this, Q and A did I

1195
01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:32,960
Speaker 1: dropped the one about shooting offhand and a buddy was

1196
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:36,479
Speaker 1: watching his Uh, A guy was watching his buddy miss

1197
01:11:36,520 --> 01:11:40,040
Speaker 1: a bunch of box and he's like, wondering about shooting

1198
01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:42,200
Speaker 1: rests in the field. It's funny you mentioned that because

1199
01:11:42,240 --> 01:11:46,240
Speaker 1: I have one that's the same but probably different. You

1200
01:11:46,280 --> 01:11:48,160
Speaker 1: don't mean to read this one off And I'll tell

1201
01:11:48,200 --> 01:11:50,400
Speaker 1: you this than you do yours. And it was different

1202
01:11:50,439 --> 01:11:53,880
Speaker 1: or not? Him and his buddy have ongoing quote discussion.

1203
01:11:53,960 --> 01:11:56,280
Speaker 1: So I got it. That means an argument about siting

1204
01:11:56,280 --> 01:12:01,639
Speaker 1: and her rifles. His buddy thinks his body likes sighted

1205
01:12:01,720 --> 01:12:08,160
Speaker 1: his rifle shooting free hand because that's how he's hunting anyway,

1206
01:12:08,280 --> 01:12:10,680
Speaker 1: That's all I need to know. OK, So I'm going

1207
01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:14,160
Speaker 1: that's like saying I like to fully drunk. He's like,

1208
01:12:14,520 --> 01:12:18,080
Speaker 1: he sighted your rifle in a real life shooting situation,

1209
01:12:20,600 --> 01:12:22,840
Speaker 1: and the guy that wrote it and says that this

1210
01:12:22,920 --> 01:12:27,080
Speaker 1: has to be bullshit, Go ahead with yours. I agree

1211
01:12:27,439 --> 01:12:30,320
Speaker 1: with the guy right now, But what was your guy? Um?

1212
01:12:31,080 --> 01:12:33,599
Speaker 1: Dan rode in. So then a couple of weeks ago

1213
01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:35,240
Speaker 1: he had a buddy that missed big mule with your

1214
01:12:35,240 --> 01:12:37,160
Speaker 1: buck because he took an off hand shot at a

1215
01:12:37,280 --> 01:12:41,400
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy yards off hand, off hand, find a tree,

1216
01:12:41,479 --> 01:12:44,519
Speaker 1: bro and later they got back on the buck, and

1217
01:12:44,600 --> 01:12:46,360
Speaker 1: rather than taking the time to find a good rest,

1218
01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:50,160
Speaker 1: he tried another off hand shot and missed again. He

1219
01:12:50,240 --> 01:12:51,960
Speaker 1: tried to convince him to take the time to find

1220
01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:54,240
Speaker 1: a good rest before he shot, but he felt like

1221
01:12:54,240 --> 01:12:56,479
Speaker 1: the buck was going to get away. What are your

1222
01:12:56,479 --> 01:13:00,000
Speaker 1: thoughts on rifle, bipod shooting sticks and shooting off packs,

1223
01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:02,880
Speaker 1: the best shooting rest in the field, very different questions.

1224
01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:05,599
Speaker 1: I think you need to examine on how much getting

1225
01:13:05,640 --> 01:13:07,760
Speaker 1: away of the white tail buck did in that scenario,

1226
01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:15,840
Speaker 1: Which did it get away more in which scenarios at

1227
01:13:15,880 --> 01:13:17,800
Speaker 1: the very least in that situation. If you feel like

1228
01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:19,840
Speaker 1: this bucks about the crest of hill, or he's gonna

1229
01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:21,639
Speaker 1: do somewhere, he's gonna get away and find a tree

1230
01:13:21,800 --> 01:13:25,320
Speaker 1: and and lean against a tree or do something to

1231
01:13:25,320 --> 01:13:28,439
Speaker 1: to get more stable, don't just wheel swing your gun

1232
01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:32,080
Speaker 1: and blast one off like that's a little bit irresponsible.

1233
01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:35,680
Speaker 1: I never even paid attention to yardages. But man, I

1234
01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:41,679
Speaker 1: have not taken Oh, I have not taken a whole

1235
01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:46,040
Speaker 1: lot of cracks freehand, except for things that are just

1236
01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:50,840
Speaker 1: real clothes. Go to the range and just lay down,

1237
01:13:51,160 --> 01:13:55,120
Speaker 1: taking the rest hunting cottentails in my twenty two go

1238
01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:57,120
Speaker 1: to the range and lay down prone and shoot a shot,

1239
01:13:57,200 --> 01:13:59,960
Speaker 1: then then kneel and shoot a shot, and then stand

1240
01:14:00,160 --> 01:14:02,519
Speaker 1: up freehand and shoot shot and see what we're all.

1241
01:14:02,520 --> 01:14:04,640
Speaker 1: Three of those land guarantee you know you're gonna get

1242
01:14:04,680 --> 01:14:07,880
Speaker 1: further away from your target each town. Or I don't

1243
01:14:07,880 --> 01:14:13,400
Speaker 1: guarantee you, but I would guess your damn question. Oh yeah, man, hunter,

1244
01:14:13,520 --> 01:14:17,639
Speaker 1: senty five yards off hand is freaking super long, compelling,

1245
01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:20,120
Speaker 1: Like I don't even I think if most let's just

1246
01:14:20,120 --> 01:14:22,759
Speaker 1: say the people in this room off hand, a hundred

1247
01:14:22,760 --> 01:14:25,439
Speaker 1: sent yards with a with your big game hunting rifle.

1248
01:14:25,479 --> 01:14:28,840
Speaker 1: If you threw an elk out there and elk giant

1249
01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:32,320
Speaker 1: ass animal, I'd say that for us. I bet you

1250
01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:35,680
Speaker 1: we would just tee laying a bullet anywhere on that

1251
01:14:35,720 --> 01:14:39,960
Speaker 1: target you'd be at. You probably hit it three times

1252
01:14:40,160 --> 01:14:43,559
Speaker 1: out of tin. That's my guess. How far away was

1253
01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:47,200
Speaker 1: that at our Christmas party? How far away was that?

1254
01:14:47,200 --> 01:14:49,960
Speaker 1: That was a hundred yards? That was a hundred yards?

1255
01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:53,920
Speaker 1: That was And I think what was that? Yeah? How

1256
01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:57,240
Speaker 1: many people hit? Four? Five? I hit? Dude, I just

1257
01:14:57,240 --> 01:15:03,040
Speaker 1: close my eyes and I was like, I'll is feelings. Yeah, okay,

1258
01:15:03,080 --> 01:15:06,120
Speaker 1: so four of us hit that one. Yeah, there's a

1259
01:15:06,120 --> 01:15:11,960
Speaker 1: little go for squirrel steel silhouette at any other than us,

1260
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:13,920
Speaker 1: there wasn't very many more. I don't know what that means.

1261
01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:17,080
Speaker 1: And that was out of thirty people people? That was

1262
01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:23,120
Speaker 1: it that bad? That's a very hard Also, Also it

1263
01:15:23,200 --> 01:15:26,080
Speaker 1: was in the dark for most people, like there were

1264
01:15:26,120 --> 01:15:27,960
Speaker 1: it was an orange painted target, but it was dark

1265
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:30,360
Speaker 1: and you were standing in a little like porch area,

1266
01:15:31,240 --> 01:15:32,960
Speaker 1: so that makes a little bit tougher. I'd say, yeah,

1267
01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:36,200
Speaker 1: I was really antiochy stuff. Yeah. I was like, I

1268
01:15:36,240 --> 01:15:37,840
Speaker 1: don't want to I hate to admit this now, but

1269
01:15:37,880 --> 01:15:41,439
Speaker 1: I was surprised. Yeah. I got Mitch Hedberg's saying like

1270
01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:43,639
Speaker 1: he has a lot of acting experience. He says because

1271
01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:45,559
Speaker 1: when he was playing pool and he makes a shot,

1272
01:15:45,640 --> 01:15:50,800
Speaker 1: he always has to act like he's not surprised. So, um,

1273
01:15:51,400 --> 01:15:54,280
Speaker 1: I agree with was like, I got I was not

1274
01:15:54,320 --> 01:15:56,160
Speaker 1: feeling cocked. I was there early enough that I gotta

1275
01:15:56,160 --> 01:15:57,840
Speaker 1: shoot it when it's still light out. So I felt

1276
01:15:57,880 --> 01:16:00,439
Speaker 1: like maybe had a distinct advantage of probably helped, you know.

1277
01:16:00,479 --> 01:16:02,120
Speaker 1: When I squeeze the trigger, I was like, well, this

1278
01:16:02,160 --> 01:16:09,920
Speaker 1: isn't gonna work out, but yeah, um but yeah good.

1279
01:16:09,960 --> 01:16:13,519
Speaker 1: For as far as recommendations for good shooting rests, um,

1280
01:16:14,040 --> 01:16:17,599
Speaker 1: I always trying to get low as low as possible. Um.

1281
01:16:18,080 --> 01:16:20,120
Speaker 1: And if you don't have the time to get lower,

1282
01:16:20,200 --> 01:16:24,360
Speaker 1: if you don't have the you know, clear landscape underneath

1283
01:16:24,439 --> 01:16:26,839
Speaker 1: you to get low because there's brush or grass whatever,

1284
01:16:27,479 --> 01:16:29,599
Speaker 1: then uh, you know the next best thing would be

1285
01:16:29,680 --> 01:16:33,040
Speaker 1: on your butt. Using some shooting sticks or shooting sticks

1286
01:16:33,040 --> 01:16:36,040
Speaker 1: standing or yeah, the tree, like Ben said, I mean

1287
01:16:36,080 --> 01:16:38,640
Speaker 1: that's a everybody should know how to do that. You

1288
01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:41,479
Speaker 1: could easily make a two plus yard shot by leading

1289
01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:44,880
Speaker 1: your rifle into a tree. Um, if you get lucky,

1290
01:16:44,920 --> 01:16:47,160
Speaker 1: there's a cross branch and get you get a little

1291
01:16:47,160 --> 01:16:50,519
Speaker 1: crotch and then uh, I mean it's damn near like

1292
01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:57,599
Speaker 1: having a you know, tripod rest our body Tony Paul's kill. Uh.

1293
01:16:57,680 --> 01:17:00,519
Speaker 1: He teaches he's a sniper and struck in the Marine

1294
01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:06,559
Speaker 1: Corps and when doing like makeshift using makeshift rests like

1295
01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:10,439
Speaker 1: a rail tree stuff like that, he talks about you

1296
01:17:10,439 --> 01:17:15,240
Speaker 1: need to have either the push or the pole. Ah

1297
01:17:15,439 --> 01:17:17,719
Speaker 1: makes sense. Yeah, when you're sitting there with him shooting,

1298
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:19,880
Speaker 1: it makes sense. But there's always a little bit of

1299
01:17:19,920 --> 01:17:22,759
Speaker 1: like there's like like even when you're going on a tree,

1300
01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:25,519
Speaker 1: you kind of like wedge it where you can get

1301
01:17:25,520 --> 01:17:27,400
Speaker 1: a little you can lean into it a little bit.

1302
01:17:27,640 --> 01:17:31,200
Speaker 1: You know what, do you explain that a little bit more?

1303
01:17:31,200 --> 01:17:33,400
Speaker 1: Because that's that's when he meant by the pool was

1304
01:17:33,560 --> 01:17:35,680
Speaker 1: he was having and this was when he was You

1305
01:17:35,720 --> 01:17:38,360
Speaker 1: can watch on the episode with Helen and Brittany in

1306
01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:42,000
Speaker 1: Wisconsin Doug's place, but when he was saying the pool,

1307
01:17:42,040 --> 01:17:44,879
Speaker 1: he was actually having having them hold onto the sling

1308
01:17:45,640 --> 01:17:48,639
Speaker 1: coming off of the fore end and then pulling that

1309
01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:52,640
Speaker 1: in towards their body, creating a little bit of tension exactly.

1310
01:17:53,439 --> 01:17:57,320
Speaker 1: That tension, you know, creates you to lock up together.

1311
01:17:58,240 --> 01:18:01,040
Speaker 1: Same thing like if you shoot off your butt, you

1312
01:18:01,040 --> 01:18:03,720
Speaker 1: put your elbows on the outsides of your knees and

1313
01:18:03,720 --> 01:18:07,240
Speaker 1: then kind of suck your arms in against those knees,

1314
01:18:07,320 --> 01:18:10,719
Speaker 1: and that creates that attention to or digging a toe

1315
01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:13,880
Speaker 1: in when you're laying prone and giving a little little

1316
01:18:13,880 --> 01:18:17,360
Speaker 1: push off the toe. Three points of contact. You guys,

1317
01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:21,439
Speaker 1: shooting off your knee works pretty damn good. You know,

1318
01:18:21,560 --> 01:18:23,439
Speaker 1: we've done a lot of and this is some people

1319
01:18:23,479 --> 01:18:25,439
Speaker 1: think this is a question but I don't think it's questionable.

1320
01:18:26,200 --> 01:18:33,560
Speaker 1: I've shot a number of big game things and otherwise

1321
01:18:34,160 --> 01:18:39,000
Speaker 1: over my buddy's shoulder. Oh yeah, yeah, we do it.

1322
01:18:39,560 --> 01:18:41,559
Speaker 1: I'm not recommending people do it, but I'm just telling

1323
01:18:41,560 --> 01:18:45,960
Speaker 1: you that something we've done successfully. I've never seen that before. Man.

1324
01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:49,160
Speaker 1: You just like, we we'll set up where you just

1325
01:18:49,280 --> 01:18:52,599
Speaker 1: they just bend over obviously put their hand on their ears,

1326
01:18:54,080 --> 01:18:58,759
Speaker 1: and you're like almost laying on them and then tap

1327
01:18:58,840 --> 01:19:05,000
Speaker 1: them and that means hold your breath and it's roight.

1328
01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:07,680
Speaker 1: I can't say I didn't run into an Africa one

1329
01:19:07,720 --> 01:19:10,920
Speaker 1: time like the trackers over there. Don't do that for dude,

1330
01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:16,800
Speaker 1: Yeah right right from the um, but you can that

1331
01:19:16,960 --> 01:19:19,719
Speaker 1: brings anohing. I am not a fan of like standing

1332
01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:22,599
Speaker 1: shooting sticks, particularly thinking about the ones they roll out

1333
01:19:22,640 --> 01:19:24,880
Speaker 1: in Africa like this. No, I've never used them there

1334
01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:27,200
Speaker 1: man there it almost seems like it's more unstable than

1335
01:19:27,200 --> 01:19:30,640
Speaker 1: shooting for you, and at some level it's weird, but

1336
01:19:30,640 --> 01:19:35,720
Speaker 1: I've never had luck with it. There's kind of an

1337
01:19:35,720 --> 01:19:42,960
Speaker 1: easy cooking one laid at me. Um, speaking of uneasy shooting,

1338
01:19:44,040 --> 01:19:47,360
Speaker 1: I don't know. Um alright. This is from the little

1339
01:19:47,960 --> 01:19:54,639
Speaker 1: Evan who's sing belt I'm sink felt from Sportsman's Lion.

1340
01:19:54,800 --> 01:20:00,439
Speaker 1: Oh yes, oh um Evan. This is rough a month

1341
01:20:00,520 --> 01:20:05,240
Speaker 1: late in response, but we got so. I'm smoking a

1342
01:20:05,320 --> 01:20:08,559
Speaker 1: whole venison backstrap tonight. I typically smoke it to a

1343
01:20:08,680 --> 01:20:11,160
Speaker 1: rare temp and then sear it in a cast iron

1344
01:20:11,240 --> 01:20:14,000
Speaker 1: with butter, which brings the finished temp to medium rare.

1345
01:20:15,200 --> 01:20:19,640
Speaker 1: Have you ever combined this with the suvie meaning what

1346
01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:21,320
Speaker 1: he wants to do is he wants to smoke it

1347
01:20:21,400 --> 01:20:24,640
Speaker 1: to get the smoke flavor, and then throw it in

1348
01:20:24,640 --> 01:20:32,240
Speaker 1: a bag and um drop it in the suvie to

1349
01:20:32,320 --> 01:20:35,800
Speaker 1: maintain the tamp until he's ready to sear it. He's

1350
01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:39,960
Speaker 1: wondering if if that would work and and be appropriate.

1351
01:20:40,160 --> 01:20:42,880
Speaker 1: I would think this would be like if you're in

1352
01:20:42,960 --> 01:20:45,600
Speaker 1: that Christmas situation and you're cooking for a bunch of

1353
01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:47,160
Speaker 1: folks and you got a bunch of things going on

1354
01:20:47,560 --> 01:20:51,559
Speaker 1: and you don't want to worry about overcooking something or

1355
01:20:51,640 --> 01:20:55,200
Speaker 1: serving something cold. And that is a huge reason that

1356
01:20:55,360 --> 01:20:59,519
Speaker 1: suvie it's so popular in the restaurant industry. What he's

1357
01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:04,600
Speaker 1: saying like, smoke it, suvit it. And then if the

1358
01:21:04,680 --> 01:21:08,599
Speaker 1: question is have I done it now and I can't

1359
01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:14,600
Speaker 1: picture smoking it and then having it be that just

1360
01:21:14,640 --> 01:21:16,799
Speaker 1: can't picture it. I think he just wants to maintain

1361
01:21:16,840 --> 01:21:19,960
Speaker 1: that tamp so it's not cold, right, So he's not

1362
01:21:19,960 --> 01:21:23,719
Speaker 1: gonna overcook it on the smoker. He's gonna bring it off,

1363
01:21:24,840 --> 01:21:26,920
Speaker 1: and then he wants to maintain it at it at

1364
01:21:26,960 --> 01:21:32,519
Speaker 1: that below medium rare camp and then when everything else

1365
01:21:32,600 --> 01:21:34,400
Speaker 1: is ready, he's gonna pop that thing out of the bag.

1366
01:21:34,600 --> 01:21:37,840
Speaker 1: When you in your scenario, could Uh, what I've done

1367
01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:40,120
Speaker 1: in the past is because I don't like to not

1368
01:21:40,200 --> 01:21:43,800
Speaker 1: let stuff rest. Sometimes it's always in a tinfoil or

1369
01:21:43,800 --> 01:21:47,720
Speaker 1: a luminou foil, but sometimes in a yeti hopper, so

1370
01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:49,600
Speaker 1: you can smoke it, or you smoke it, get it

1371
01:21:49,640 --> 01:21:53,080
Speaker 1: to you know, ten degrees or ten to fifteen degrees

1372
01:21:53,120 --> 01:21:54,720
Speaker 1: below where you want it. If you say you've got

1373
01:21:54,760 --> 01:21:57,160
Speaker 1: an hour or two, wrap it tinfoil, put it in

1374
01:21:57,160 --> 01:21:59,240
Speaker 1: your yett he zip it up tight, right because you

1375
01:21:59,240 --> 01:22:01,920
Speaker 1: know over that time that heat's gonna stay in there,

1376
01:22:02,240 --> 01:22:04,519
Speaker 1: it's gonna continue to cook it. And then when you

1377
01:22:04,520 --> 01:22:08,320
Speaker 1: get it to where you're going see it, then yeah,

1378
01:22:08,640 --> 01:22:10,439
Speaker 1: that's what I've done in the past. So just say

1379
01:22:10,520 --> 01:22:12,800
Speaker 1: just tell your your bros you're coming over Christmas, like, hey,

1380
01:22:12,840 --> 01:22:14,400
Speaker 1: look I want to I just need a cast starn

1381
01:22:14,479 --> 01:22:16,880
Speaker 1: skillet ready to see it when I get there. That way,

1382
01:22:16,920 --> 01:22:18,400
Speaker 1: it's crispy still, and you don't because a lot of

1383
01:22:18,400 --> 01:22:20,320
Speaker 1: times when you let it rest after you've seared it,

1384
01:22:20,320 --> 01:22:25,200
Speaker 1: it kind of takes away that crispy, crusty consistency that

1385
01:22:25,200 --> 01:22:26,639
Speaker 1: you get when you see it and then just serve

1386
01:22:26,680 --> 01:22:29,599
Speaker 1: it all those good carcinogens we like. So some people

1387
01:22:29,680 --> 01:22:31,920
Speaker 1: do see her and then drop it in the suit.

1388
01:22:33,040 --> 01:22:34,840
Speaker 1: You could do that too, but you definitely have all

1389
01:22:34,880 --> 01:22:37,080
Speaker 1: that moisture in the bag. And I think that was

1390
01:22:37,120 --> 01:22:38,479
Speaker 1: the way to go. But now I think it's like

1391
01:22:38,520 --> 01:22:41,040
Speaker 1: the reverses. Like when I first started messing with it,

1392
01:22:41,080 --> 01:22:43,040
Speaker 1: I thought that was cool, but now it's like definitely

1393
01:22:43,040 --> 01:22:46,680
Speaker 1: better because you just stew it. Yeah, you get you

1394
01:22:46,720 --> 01:22:48,599
Speaker 1: lose your out, you know, you know, you lose your

1395
01:22:48,640 --> 01:22:52,200
Speaker 1: outside cool Chris Well, that that's searing, that initial shock

1396
01:22:52,520 --> 01:22:54,559
Speaker 1: to you know what I'm saying, Yeah, oh no, yeah,

1397
01:22:54,640 --> 01:22:58,880
Speaker 1: like schemes, but that initial shock, that searing it on

1398
01:22:58,920 --> 01:23:02,679
Speaker 1: all sides, that starts the process of that meat going

1399
01:23:02,720 --> 01:23:05,360
Speaker 1: to another stage and breaking down the proteins you don't

1400
01:23:07,400 --> 01:23:09,320
Speaker 1: here and then put it somewhere that's gonna steam it.

1401
01:23:09,360 --> 01:23:11,080
Speaker 1: And then it gets soft again and you've got kind

1402
01:23:11,080 --> 01:23:12,760
Speaker 1: of a weird consistence. That's what a lot of the

1403
01:23:12,800 --> 01:23:15,639
Speaker 1: recipes are though, really, and then then you come back

1404
01:23:15,640 --> 01:23:18,120
Speaker 1: out and crisp R up again. It depends what you

1405
01:23:18,160 --> 01:23:19,880
Speaker 1: finished product is too. If you're like going to pick

1406
01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:23,360
Speaker 1: something that doesn't matter. Guy asked, can you freeze? Do

1407
01:23:23,400 --> 01:23:26,040
Speaker 1: your heart deliver? Heart freeze is as good as anything

1408
01:23:26,080 --> 01:23:31,320
Speaker 1: on the planet. I trim them, core him out, trim

1409
01:23:31,360 --> 01:23:35,200
Speaker 1: ahead of time, I do. I core him out, trim

1410
01:23:35,280 --> 01:23:37,840
Speaker 1: the fat off the upper you know, the fat part,

1411
01:23:38,800 --> 01:23:42,360
Speaker 1: trim the tallow off that, and freeze him. Is that

1412
01:23:42,439 --> 01:23:45,320
Speaker 1: a space time? What's the reason why do I trim

1413
01:23:45,320 --> 01:23:47,840
Speaker 1: it first? I don't know. Man, When I put my

1414
01:23:47,840 --> 01:23:52,920
Speaker 1: stuff freezer, I like it's I feel like I like

1415
01:23:53,000 --> 01:23:58,880
Speaker 1: to typically I've done all versions, but in my mind,

1416
01:23:58,920 --> 01:24:03,679
Speaker 1: what I'm typically trying to do is freeze ingredient recipe ready. Yeah,

1417
01:24:04,080 --> 01:24:06,800
Speaker 1: in a perfect world, you're freezing recipe ready stuff. So

1418
01:24:06,800 --> 01:24:11,320
Speaker 1: I'll take my heart court, wash it out court, trim

1419
01:24:11,360 --> 01:24:14,680
Speaker 1: the tallel off the top lip, then freeze it. It

1420
01:24:14,760 --> 01:24:20,680
Speaker 1: freezes for a million years. Yeah. A few day I

1421
01:24:20,720 --> 01:24:23,280
Speaker 1: was telling my kid, what was he telling me? He's

1422
01:24:23,280 --> 01:24:25,599
Speaker 1: telling me something. I said, Man, I bet you million bucks.

1423
01:24:26,960 --> 01:24:29,720
Speaker 1: He's like, oh, you got a million dollars. It's just

1424
01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:35,519
Speaker 1: it's just the thing we say, are you serious right now? Yeah?

1425
01:24:35,560 --> 01:24:39,280
Speaker 1: You don't want to take the back a million years.

1426
01:24:39,360 --> 01:24:42,880
Speaker 1: A few years liver man, I used to say, like,

1427
01:24:42,920 --> 01:24:45,400
Speaker 1: I used to freeze, and liver is not a good idea.

1428
01:24:47,040 --> 01:24:49,080
Speaker 1: I've never had any luck, no I know, but I

1429
01:24:49,160 --> 01:24:52,760
Speaker 1: used to like do it anyway, and he thought, and

1430
01:24:52,800 --> 01:24:55,200
Speaker 1: like all the water comes out and winds up being

1431
01:24:55,240 --> 01:24:58,080
Speaker 1: like rubbery and it just doesn't work. You just gotta

1432
01:24:58,160 --> 01:25:02,400
Speaker 1: eat it. Ron Layton freezes. Yeah. Run later. You freeze

1433
01:25:02,479 --> 01:25:04,200
Speaker 1: livers and given to me and I take the livers hole.

1434
01:25:05,439 --> 01:25:09,959
Speaker 1: But it's just I got you over. Oh man, that's wonderful.

1435
01:25:10,040 --> 01:25:14,160
Speaker 1: Run antelope liver in the freezer right now. Specifically for

1436
01:25:14,439 --> 01:25:17,320
Speaker 1: sausage though, So I got a sauceage dress bee where

1437
01:25:17,320 --> 01:25:20,880
Speaker 1: I'll I'll feed that liver into the grinder and mix

1438
01:25:20,960 --> 01:25:24,280
Speaker 1: everything up. Is I think it's a bad idea. What

1439
01:25:24,400 --> 01:25:29,519
Speaker 1: kind of sausage dress fees that liver works? No, But

1440
01:25:29,840 --> 01:25:33,559
Speaker 1: my buddy Jim makes liver worset that kicks ass. That's

1441
01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:36,800
Speaker 1: like the best breakfast meat on the planet. Not wild

1442
01:25:36,880 --> 01:25:40,840
Speaker 1: game liver. Yeah really yeah. The thing about liver Worst is, though,

1443
01:25:41,000 --> 01:25:44,200
Speaker 1: is that it's not that when you look at everything

1444
01:25:44,400 --> 01:25:48,200
Speaker 1: in liver Worst, it's like tem percent liver exactly. You're

1445
01:25:48,240 --> 01:25:50,120
Speaker 1: because you're eating a lot of milk and a lot

1446
01:25:50,160 --> 01:25:56,040
Speaker 1: of fat. It's it's flavoring. Dude. That was my old

1447
01:25:56,120 --> 01:26:05,400
Speaker 1: man sandwich dude. Riber liver Worst, sliced onion and mustard's gonna. Yeah,

1448
01:26:05,960 --> 01:26:07,599
Speaker 1: sometimes feel like going down and buy Like I don't

1449
01:26:07,640 --> 01:26:10,160
Speaker 1: like to buy meat stores. Man, I sometimes feel like

1450
01:26:10,160 --> 01:26:12,479
Speaker 1: going down to buying me big old liver worst. I'm making.

1451
01:26:12,680 --> 01:26:14,800
Speaker 1: We're traveling sometime, we should get a big thing of

1452
01:26:14,840 --> 01:26:17,680
Speaker 1: liver worst, Dude, we should. You should come to the

1453
01:26:17,760 --> 01:26:22,640
Speaker 1: Latvian hunting camp in Wisconsin. Um, the guys from Milwaukee

1454
01:26:22,840 --> 01:26:27,400
Speaker 1: show up. I don't know, probably twenty pounds of you

1455
01:26:27,560 --> 01:26:31,880
Speaker 1: singers liver worst and all sorts of other fine sausages

1456
01:26:31,920 --> 01:26:34,519
Speaker 1: and pork products from there. Man. And that's all we eat,

1457
01:26:34,680 --> 01:26:36,799
Speaker 1: as far as like sandwich is going into the field.

1458
01:26:37,600 --> 01:26:39,960
Speaker 1: It's just right Latvian rye bread, which is kind of

1459
01:26:40,080 --> 01:26:46,240
Speaker 1: not regular. Oh, I think it's twice as good better. No,

1460
01:26:46,280 --> 01:26:52,160
Speaker 1: it's not. I'm telling you. It's not what you consider right.

1461
01:26:52,240 --> 01:26:54,519
Speaker 1: It's more of a like a sour dough. Dude. You

1462
01:26:54,520 --> 01:26:57,559
Speaker 1: can knock someone out with that bread. The stuff that

1463
01:26:57,720 --> 01:27:01,360
Speaker 1: I bring around, it's a dense bread. Yes, it's like

1464
01:27:01,400 --> 01:27:02,880
Speaker 1: a kind of bread if you threw it to a duck.

1465
01:27:03,120 --> 01:27:07,240
Speaker 1: Duck better be a diver. That bread is gonna sink

1466
01:27:07,280 --> 01:27:10,719
Speaker 1: on lake man. No, for sure, it's a dense bread.

1467
01:27:10,760 --> 01:27:13,000
Speaker 1: But I could see man a liverworst. God, I'm dying.

1468
01:27:13,160 --> 01:27:16,120
Speaker 1: I'm making liverworst with that liver. You guys are gonna

1469
01:27:16,760 --> 01:27:22,960
Speaker 1: want some, sorry, but the lowest grade liver worst. It

1470
01:27:23,080 --> 01:27:25,559
Speaker 1: was like Oscar. They had like a yellow wrapper on it.

1471
01:27:25,880 --> 01:27:28,040
Speaker 1: It came in like a log with a yellow rapper.

1472
01:27:28,680 --> 01:27:30,479
Speaker 1: And my old man too, He would buy bread and

1473
01:27:30,479 --> 01:27:32,760
Speaker 1: not let other people eat his bread. So if you

1474
01:27:32,760 --> 01:27:34,719
Speaker 1: went into the kitchen, it was like the old man's

1475
01:27:34,720 --> 01:27:37,479
Speaker 1: bread and then the family's bread. You couldn't have his

1476
01:27:37,479 --> 01:27:42,679
Speaker 1: bread unless you asked him about it. Did he grow poor? Oh? Yeah?

1477
01:27:43,640 --> 01:27:45,760
Speaker 1: I recommend if you're listening, you're gonna go try something.

1478
01:27:45,800 --> 01:27:48,599
Speaker 1: Don't go into this regular grocery and buy the Oscar

1479
01:27:48,680 --> 01:27:52,759
Speaker 1: may or brown Schweigger or liver worst. You're not getting

1480
01:27:52,800 --> 01:27:55,200
Speaker 1: the same like going to a deli. Go to a

1481
01:27:55,280 --> 01:27:58,240
Speaker 1: Jewish deli and get the good ship because it's well

1482
01:27:58,280 --> 01:28:03,120
Speaker 1: worth it. Yeah, I hear you. I saw a new

1483
01:28:03,520 --> 01:28:07,120
Speaker 1: friend of mine who is uh. They're Jewish and they've

1484
01:28:07,120 --> 01:28:09,400
Speaker 1: always grown up going. Have I talked about this before? Tongue?

1485
01:28:09,640 --> 01:28:13,960
Speaker 1: I told the story before. Never one last one? You guys,

1486
01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:18,519
Speaker 1: good for one more one? Here's another one. There's a

1487
01:28:18,560 --> 01:28:20,880
Speaker 1: guy that wrote in he's all confused about the difference

1488
01:28:20,880 --> 01:28:27,880
Speaker 1: between party hunting, party hunting, and party applications. Yeah, there's

1489
01:28:27,920 --> 01:28:29,760
Speaker 1: kind of like two questions from two different people. But

1490
01:28:29,760 --> 01:28:32,640
Speaker 1: one of the guys demonstrated some level of like he's like,

1491
01:28:33,080 --> 01:28:36,080
Speaker 1: he's looking at a out of state hunting app and

1492
01:28:36,080 --> 01:28:39,920
Speaker 1: it's a party application, and he's like, dude, party hunting,

1493
01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:43,120
Speaker 1: that's no good. That's a great point. I have never

1494
01:28:43,160 --> 01:28:47,320
Speaker 1: thought two very different things, the semantics things. But he's right, like,

1495
01:28:47,960 --> 01:28:50,120
Speaker 1: why why not change the term, you know in the

1496
01:28:50,200 --> 01:28:56,240
Speaker 1: application sense party application? I filled out, why him? Why

1497
01:28:56,240 --> 01:28:59,960
Speaker 1: can't I shoot your miss? We all got start? Who

1498
01:29:00,000 --> 01:29:05,679
Speaker 1: want us to start with party hunting, which is where

1499
01:29:05,680 --> 01:29:08,559
Speaker 1: we're sharing tags? And party hunting is where there's five

1500
01:29:08,560 --> 01:29:11,920
Speaker 1: people at this table. Two of us have a tag,

1501
01:29:12,920 --> 01:29:14,960
Speaker 1: all five of us go hunting. Everybody's up to bed,

1502
01:29:14,960 --> 01:29:17,680
Speaker 1: everybody's not bad. Is that is that it's legal in

1503
01:29:17,760 --> 01:29:20,200
Speaker 1: some place. I don't know if that's necessarily legal that

1504
01:29:20,400 --> 01:29:22,360
Speaker 1: I've never done it that way. Where I've done it legally,

1505
01:29:22,600 --> 01:29:25,080
Speaker 1: all of us would have had tags, we'd all be

1506
01:29:25,120 --> 01:29:28,280
Speaker 1: out in the field hunting. Possibly five deer come by,

1507
01:29:28,439 --> 01:29:31,320
Speaker 1: I shoot all five, and you guys come over and

1508
01:29:31,360 --> 01:29:34,760
Speaker 1: tag them yes and no. That might be the case

1509
01:29:34,840 --> 01:29:36,960
Speaker 1: some places, but there are places where you think, like,

1510
01:29:37,120 --> 01:29:40,360
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying, main moose tan. You can designate

1511
01:29:40,479 --> 01:29:44,320
Speaker 1: it's a party tag's part. You can designate, yeah, draw

1512
01:29:44,360 --> 01:29:46,599
Speaker 1: the tag, but you can designate other guys to hunt

1513
01:29:46,600 --> 01:29:47,880
Speaker 1: the same tag and you can all be out. I

1514
01:29:47,920 --> 01:29:49,960
Speaker 1: think you're supposed to be in like you're supposed to

1515
01:29:49,960 --> 01:29:54,280
Speaker 1: be in some definition of communication. But you draw it.

1516
01:29:54,439 --> 01:29:56,680
Speaker 1: You go like, I'm party hunt with you. You you're

1517
01:29:56,720 --> 01:29:58,960
Speaker 1: both hunt. But again, there's some sort of formal agreement

1518
01:29:59,080 --> 01:30:01,439
Speaker 1: or there's some sort of tag tag that's saying that

1519
01:30:01,479 --> 01:30:03,680
Speaker 1: this is the deal. It's not just like, oh, I'm

1520
01:30:03,720 --> 01:30:06,920
Speaker 1: out here without a hunting license or a tag at all. Happened?

1521
01:30:07,200 --> 01:30:10,280
Speaker 1: You know, the illegal party hunting and then there's the

1522
01:30:10,280 --> 01:30:14,519
Speaker 1: party hunting illegal senses of what I was trying to describe.

1523
01:30:14,640 --> 01:30:17,560
Speaker 1: And well, we grew up doing a lot of illegal

1524
01:30:17,600 --> 01:30:20,720
Speaker 1: party hunting. Okay, but here's the deal party hunting that

1525
01:30:20,760 --> 01:30:24,639
Speaker 1: what I just described is legal in Wisconsin as not

1526
01:30:24,640 --> 01:30:27,880
Speaker 1: not legal here, and we did it illegally in mission

1527
01:30:28,800 --> 01:30:30,559
Speaker 1: before I even knew that was illegal. But it would

1528
01:30:30,560 --> 01:30:35,679
Speaker 1: be that your group of guys I'll have buck tags.

1529
01:30:36,240 --> 01:30:39,240
Speaker 1: Someone gets a dough tag. It was in when I

1530
01:30:39,280 --> 01:30:42,599
Speaker 1: was growing up, it was like it was viewed as though,

1531
01:30:42,960 --> 01:30:46,559
Speaker 1: if you see a dough Bob's got a tag, which

1532
01:30:46,600 --> 01:30:50,760
Speaker 1: is not illegal, that's right, but you'd go yell for

1533
01:30:50,800 --> 01:30:53,840
Speaker 1: Bob and Bob would run over and that was an

1534
01:30:53,880 --> 01:30:57,519
Speaker 1: illegal thing. Didn't even know it was illegal. Now in

1535
01:30:57,560 --> 01:31:01,600
Speaker 1: Wisconsin explained again what you're saying is there And this

1536
01:31:01,600 --> 01:31:02,880
Speaker 1: is the last time I looked into it, and I

1537
01:31:02,920 --> 01:31:07,760
Speaker 1: believe they define it as like within communication where you

1538
01:31:07,760 --> 01:31:10,960
Speaker 1: can yell at the other hunter that might be tagging

1539
01:31:10,960 --> 01:31:15,280
Speaker 1: the deer. But if you're all licensed and a group

1540
01:31:15,280 --> 01:31:18,800
Speaker 1: of deer comes by, you can shoot more as long

1541
01:31:18,880 --> 01:31:21,759
Speaker 1: as someone in that group and that's within shouting distance

1542
01:31:21,800 --> 01:31:23,639
Speaker 1: of you can come over and tag that. You can't

1543
01:31:23,640 --> 01:31:27,040
Speaker 1: have a dude with you who has no tag. You

1544
01:31:27,040 --> 01:31:29,160
Speaker 1: could have with you, but he can't be carrying a

1545
01:31:29,280 --> 01:31:32,519
Speaker 1: rifle you got you got you? Yeah, he can't be

1546
01:31:32,600 --> 01:31:35,679
Speaker 1: actively hunting. He needs to be a licensed hunter. Now

1547
01:31:35,960 --> 01:31:37,840
Speaker 1: this brings up a thing we haven't got into party

1548
01:31:37,840 --> 01:31:40,639
Speaker 1: applications yet, but another thing I'm party hunting. Another question.

1549
01:31:40,640 --> 01:31:41,960
Speaker 1: The guy that I've been meaning to get to and

1550
01:31:42,040 --> 01:31:44,839
Speaker 1: never got to it him his buddy or hunting black bears.

1551
01:31:46,920 --> 01:31:49,040
Speaker 1: His body's got a black bart tag. He doesn't so

1552
01:31:49,240 --> 01:31:53,920
Speaker 1: Mug one, Um, Mug one has a black bertag. Mug

1553
01:31:53,960 --> 01:31:56,560
Speaker 1: two does not have a black bertag. Mugg one but

1554
01:31:56,600 --> 01:32:00,559
Speaker 1: they're hunting deer, okay, Mug one clouch gets a shot

1555
01:32:00,600 --> 01:32:06,439
Speaker 1: at bicker. Mug two runs up, the black bear is

1556
01:32:06,760 --> 01:32:09,559
Speaker 1: running off his body. Gotta hit. Mug one, gotta hit.

1557
01:32:09,600 --> 01:32:14,920
Speaker 1: But it wasn't a mortal wound. Mug two kills it.

1558
01:32:16,600 --> 01:32:20,080
Speaker 1: That's against the law. It's a strange one, and it's

1559
01:32:20,120 --> 01:32:25,120
Speaker 1: one where you get put into like civil law versus

1560
01:32:25,200 --> 01:32:28,559
Speaker 1: moral law. And I've been in that situation in the

1561
01:32:28,640 --> 01:32:32,760
Speaker 1: past and where you're like, well, however things played out,

1562
01:32:32,760 --> 01:32:34,280
Speaker 1: you're gonna have like a you're gonna have an unre

1563
01:32:34,840 --> 01:32:39,320
Speaker 1: wounded yet unrecovered animal um. And I've been in that situation,

1564
01:32:39,400 --> 01:32:41,479
Speaker 1: and it does It puts you in a It puts

1565
01:32:41,520 --> 01:32:43,000
Speaker 1: you in a little bit of a bind. I think

1566
01:32:43,000 --> 01:32:44,760
Speaker 1: that the game Morden is probably gonna look at and

1567
01:32:44,760 --> 01:32:49,360
Speaker 1: be like, sorry, man, you killed it. Yeah, And unfortunately,

1568
01:32:49,760 --> 01:32:53,920
Speaker 1: there's just there's too much room for interpretation and too

1569
01:32:54,040 --> 01:32:57,120
Speaker 1: much room for taking it. You know, and cheating that

1570
01:32:57,240 --> 01:33:00,599
Speaker 1: rule if it's not you know, done that way, because

1571
01:33:00,600 --> 01:33:03,320
Speaker 1: because guys would just walk around killing animals for planets

1572
01:33:03,320 --> 01:33:04,960
Speaker 1: all the time because they're fighting. What we're talking that

1573
01:33:05,040 --> 01:33:07,200
Speaker 1: that rules fighting. What we're talking about, the two guys

1574
01:33:07,240 --> 01:33:08,800
Speaker 1: walking around, one guy shoot you like, come ever, you're

1575
01:33:08,840 --> 01:33:10,960
Speaker 1: real quick. Yeah, So the gray areas what you want

1576
01:33:11,000 --> 01:33:13,040
Speaker 1: to try to eliminate. Yeah, like the scenario like he

1577
01:33:13,439 --> 01:33:15,599
Speaker 1: has and I take at face value what he's saying.

1578
01:33:15,640 --> 01:33:18,280
Speaker 1: It's just that, um, it was like it was look

1579
01:33:18,320 --> 01:33:19,599
Speaker 1: like it was gonna get away, and he didn't want

1580
01:33:19,600 --> 01:33:21,599
Speaker 1: it to get away, but he went And so yeah,

1581
01:33:21,640 --> 01:33:23,479
Speaker 1: I mean, you definitely broke a law because I know

1582
01:33:23,520 --> 01:33:25,920
Speaker 1: what state has occurred to you broke a law. Maybe

1583
01:33:26,080 --> 01:33:30,560
Speaker 1: just throwing out a hypothetical. I don't know, um party applications.

1584
01:33:30,720 --> 01:33:34,080
Speaker 1: Who wants to take that one? I can talk about

1585
01:33:34,080 --> 01:33:37,080
Speaker 1: it a little bit about you want to go hunting,

1586
01:33:37,160 --> 01:33:39,640
Speaker 1: maybe with your family or your friends, and you're like,

1587
01:33:39,680 --> 01:33:43,120
Speaker 1: I'd rather draw this tag with you or not at all.

1588
01:33:43,840 --> 01:33:47,160
Speaker 1: That's a good way to put it. So I've got

1589
01:33:47,479 --> 01:33:50,160
Speaker 1: I like taking some of my family members hunting who

1590
01:33:50,360 --> 01:33:52,679
Speaker 1: maybe are not going to go hunting on their own.

1591
01:33:53,600 --> 01:33:55,840
Speaker 1: So we apply as a party, and it's like, hey,

1592
01:33:55,920 --> 01:33:57,360
Speaker 1: like we're all we're all gonna get it, or none

1593
01:33:57,360 --> 01:33:59,519
Speaker 1: of us are going to get It's not like you're

1594
01:33:59,520 --> 01:34:01,560
Speaker 1: gonna just talk with this tag and nobody's gonna be

1595
01:34:01,600 --> 01:34:04,439
Speaker 1: able to go go on this hunt with you. So

1596
01:34:04,479 --> 01:34:07,920
Speaker 1: I think it's a way to ensure that your core

1597
01:34:08,040 --> 01:34:11,960
Speaker 1: group of fellow sportsman or family that you're hunting with

1598
01:34:12,120 --> 01:34:13,960
Speaker 1: will all all get the permit and you can do

1599
01:34:14,000 --> 01:34:16,240
Speaker 1: it as a group. This guy was asking was it

1600
01:34:16,280 --> 01:34:19,120
Speaker 1: a good idea or not? And that's like, that's not

1601
01:34:19,200 --> 01:34:23,600
Speaker 1: really answerable because it just depends on how bad you

1602
01:34:23,640 --> 01:34:25,439
Speaker 1: want to go. I think it was not a way

1603
01:34:25,479 --> 01:34:27,160
Speaker 1: to do it. Be like, if your eyeballing, like some

1604
01:34:27,280 --> 01:34:32,599
Speaker 1: hunt you want to do, and and you'd make a deal,

1605
01:34:32,960 --> 01:34:35,680
Speaker 1: You're like, you could do a party app and then

1606
01:34:35,720 --> 01:34:37,760
Speaker 1: you both get the goal on equal footing and goalth

1607
01:34:37,800 --> 01:34:41,320
Speaker 1: got tag, but there's less of a chance that someone's

1608
01:34:41,360 --> 01:34:42,800
Speaker 1: gonna have a tag. Or you make a deal and

1609
01:34:42,840 --> 01:34:45,679
Speaker 1: be like, let's both put in single, but let's sign

1610
01:34:45,680 --> 01:34:48,360
Speaker 1: a treaty right now, sign an agreement that if one

1611
01:34:48,400 --> 01:34:51,479
Speaker 1: of us draws, we both go on the trip. But

1612
01:34:51,520 --> 01:34:53,000
Speaker 1: if you don't hang out with that kind of person.

1613
01:34:53,720 --> 01:34:57,200
Speaker 1: Then it makes sense that that did you all put

1614
01:34:57,240 --> 01:34:59,080
Speaker 1: in as a group, and then you all either go

1615
01:34:59,280 --> 01:35:02,439
Speaker 1: and everyone's gone whole fully loaded, or everyone stays at home.

1616
01:35:02,640 --> 01:35:08,120
Speaker 1: It's party applications somehow there's a question does the well

1617
01:35:08,200 --> 01:35:10,760
Speaker 1: doesn't would it prevent in some way party hunting? Like

1618
01:35:11,360 --> 01:35:13,519
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking through this a little bit. If everybody

1619
01:35:13,560 --> 01:35:15,080
Speaker 1: has a tag, then you don't have to share it

1620
01:35:15,160 --> 01:35:18,840
Speaker 1: that comtely unrelated, man, I know, I know, but there's

1621
01:35:18,840 --> 01:35:22,080
Speaker 1: a there's a there could be a corresponding thing there.

1622
01:35:22,080 --> 01:35:23,479
Speaker 1: If everybody has a tag, you don't have to worry

1623
01:35:23,479 --> 01:35:26,320
Speaker 1: about That's right. You're trying to tie in party hunting,

1624
01:35:26,360 --> 01:35:27,800
Speaker 1: party apple. I was trying to be slick and I

1625
01:35:27,800 --> 01:35:29,200
Speaker 1: was very That's why I was asking as a question

1626
01:35:29,240 --> 01:35:32,080
Speaker 1: because I was pretty sure. There's also strategic play where

1627
01:35:32,160 --> 01:35:35,320
Speaker 1: if I have ten ELK points and you have zero,

1628
01:35:35,840 --> 01:35:37,479
Speaker 1: and we apply as a party, I kind of pull

1629
01:35:37,680 --> 01:35:40,320
Speaker 1: I pull you up a little bit so I increase

1630
01:35:40,360 --> 01:35:44,200
Speaker 1: your odds. Depends on the state, and you can apply

1631
01:35:44,360 --> 01:35:46,799
Speaker 1: as a non resident. You could apply with a resident

1632
01:35:47,760 --> 01:35:53,240
Speaker 1: on a party application. Um good, But Lisa stated, I've

1633
01:35:53,280 --> 01:35:55,720
Speaker 1: done that in in Colorado. If you do that you're

1634
01:35:55,760 --> 01:35:59,320
Speaker 1: both in the nonresident the nonresident, So the residents getting

1635
01:35:59,400 --> 01:36:02,559
Speaker 1: dinged time, it can be it can handicap you. But

1636
01:36:02,640 --> 01:36:05,000
Speaker 1: I've heard of a very go ahead. Oh. I just

1637
01:36:05,160 --> 01:36:07,920
Speaker 1: I think that there are so many people. Um, if

1638
01:36:07,960 --> 01:36:11,719
Speaker 1: we're being honest with ourselves, there's a lot of people

1639
01:36:11,960 --> 01:36:18,439
Speaker 1: that ultimately enjoy the planning and the Google Earth thing

1640
01:36:18,840 --> 01:36:25,559
Speaker 1: and lead up two the hunt, maybe even more than

1641
01:36:25,720 --> 01:36:30,280
Speaker 1: the hunting the adventure themselves. Where Um, these party applications

1642
01:36:30,280 --> 01:36:32,280
Speaker 1: are a big deal because they feel like they're they're

1643
01:36:32,320 --> 01:36:34,280
Speaker 1: in the game. They got something to go with some

1644
01:36:34,520 --> 01:36:37,519
Speaker 1: you know, something to plan towards or daydream about at

1645
01:36:37,520 --> 01:36:40,840
Speaker 1: work or whatever. So um, I think that's that's a

1646
01:36:40,840 --> 01:36:43,960
Speaker 1: big benefit to these party applications. Have you ever party

1647
01:36:44,240 --> 01:36:47,280
Speaker 1: party applied? Yes? I have party applications out right now.

1648
01:36:47,720 --> 01:36:54,400
Speaker 1: I have one out. I didn't get invited about that. Well,

1649
01:36:54,400 --> 01:36:57,000
Speaker 1: it's being my bro because he's an Alaska resident. So

1650
01:36:57,080 --> 01:37:01,120
Speaker 1: we partied up on a couple of things. Nice that sheep,

1651
01:37:01,200 --> 01:37:06,320
Speaker 1: I imagine partied up on some stuff. Sweet. Um what

1652
01:37:06,400 --> 01:37:08,640
Speaker 1: else about that party hunt? That kind of covers the

1653
01:37:08,720 --> 01:37:13,360
Speaker 1: party apps, parties, party party and it's a good way.

1654
01:37:13,439 --> 01:37:14,880
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just a It's a good way for

1655
01:37:14,880 --> 01:37:18,400
Speaker 1: folks to plan, particularly if you're planning, um for an

1656
01:37:18,400 --> 01:37:21,559
Speaker 1: out of state hunt, then you kind of know, like, yep,

1657
01:37:21,680 --> 01:37:23,240
Speaker 1: this is where we want to go, and you can

1658
01:37:23,479 --> 01:37:28,519
Speaker 1: budget both time and montarily for how you're going to

1659
01:37:28,600 --> 01:37:34,599
Speaker 1: approach that hunt. Yeah, I like that system. Here's here's

1660
01:37:34,600 --> 01:37:41,519
Speaker 1: one last question ready our rabbits safety eat. Yes, yes,

1661
01:37:42,720 --> 01:37:47,439
Speaker 1: thanks for joining us. I have a concluder. Oh let

1662
01:37:47,720 --> 01:37:52,920
Speaker 1: me you came up at one. Speaking of parties, Oh,

1663
01:37:53,160 --> 01:37:57,320
Speaker 1: I like a good time. There are some shows coming

1664
01:37:57,360 --> 01:38:00,880
Speaker 1: out under the hood shows and some live podcasts that

1665
01:38:00,920 --> 01:38:05,160
Speaker 1: have tickets still available. They are a Under the Hood

1666
01:38:05,280 --> 01:38:08,640
Speaker 1: in Salt Lake City on February eight, and Under the

1667
01:38:08,640 --> 01:38:13,439
Speaker 1: Hood in Cleveland, Ohio on February and Under the Hood

1668
01:38:13,479 --> 01:38:20,479
Speaker 1: in Houston, Tajas February, and then live podcasts in Dallas

1669
01:38:20,800 --> 01:38:25,360
Speaker 1: on the February and in Seattle on the fourteenth of March.

1670
01:38:26,120 --> 01:38:28,680
Speaker 1: So half of our shoulds are sold out. Those are

1671
01:38:28,720 --> 01:38:32,400
Speaker 1: the five that still have a bunch of tickets. About Reno. Um,

1672
01:38:33,160 --> 01:38:36,880
Speaker 1: that's right, Reno, just because I'm gonna be there. Yeah,

1673
01:38:37,040 --> 01:38:43,840
Speaker 1: And and the date on that one standing try you're

1674
01:38:43,840 --> 01:38:46,200
Speaker 1: going to Sheetday. I believe you guys are doing your

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01:38:46,200 --> 01:38:54,760
Speaker 1: live podcast on Friday, February eighty Seventh's day. I've got

1676
01:38:54,760 --> 01:38:57,160
Speaker 1: a calendar. I've got a calendar right here. It's it's

1677
01:38:57,160 --> 01:39:01,360
Speaker 1: in the afternoon. Just one. It's a tough one for

1678
01:39:01,400 --> 01:39:05,080
Speaker 1: something we just added the great Remy warrant. Remy will

1679
01:39:05,120 --> 01:39:06,800
Speaker 1: be there. It's a tough one because it's a um

1680
01:39:07,240 --> 01:39:12,160
Speaker 1: early afternoon show. Um, that's all right, you can start

1681
01:39:12,200 --> 01:39:15,720
Speaker 1: drinking early that day. Yeah, man, quit word, yeah, don't quit,

1682
01:39:15,800 --> 01:39:22,200
Speaker 1: just take a break. Yeah, that's funny. It is on

1683
01:39:22,280 --> 01:39:25,960
Speaker 1: the seventh on Thursday. Good job, ye jan what do

1684
01:39:26,000 --> 01:39:30,240
Speaker 1: they call you down to Mexico? I can't remember, man. Yeah.

1685
01:39:31,600 --> 01:39:35,160
Speaker 1: Most of the time they make a funny. It's like

1686
01:39:35,200 --> 01:39:41,040
Speaker 1: a jew down for the j I'll be like, no,

1687
01:39:41,200 --> 01:39:44,360
Speaker 1: it's just like Yamo, Like when you say your name

1688
01:39:45,680 --> 01:39:51,800
Speaker 1: double L and they're like, yeah, Jonnas, don't tell me

1689
01:39:51,880 --> 01:39:54,840
Speaker 1: how to say your name. Boy, you're in my phone

1690
01:39:54,840 --> 01:39:58,400
Speaker 1: with a Y. Yanni does that on his emails, so

1691
01:39:58,439 --> 01:40:04,640
Speaker 1: he writes right fanetical spelling, writes Janis and then he

1692
01:40:04,680 --> 01:40:08,080
Speaker 1: puts in parentheses and on his Instagram it's like that too.

1693
01:40:08,120 --> 01:40:11,400
Speaker 1: I feel like it is. Yeah, it's Jannis. No that's

1694
01:40:11,439 --> 01:40:13,760
Speaker 1: my dad. No, I don't think. Maybe it is, but

1695
01:40:13,800 --> 01:40:16,320
Speaker 1: I feel like you're I feel like the name is

1696
01:40:16,400 --> 01:40:24,720
Speaker 1: Janice and the handle is Janis Johnny's senior Janis Ni dude,

1697
01:40:24,720 --> 01:40:28,760
Speaker 1: I'm always just Steve Man. My dad calls you Steve

1698
01:40:28,800 --> 01:40:32,800
Speaker 1: for Nelly, and he calls you Janice Pellis. He's a

1699
01:40:32,840 --> 01:40:35,160
Speaker 1: proper redneck. I don't see any wise, but I guess

1700
01:40:35,160 --> 01:40:39,880
Speaker 1: my has always your dad. Cal got any concluders, Oh

1701
01:40:39,880 --> 01:40:41,920
Speaker 1: that was your concluier. That was a good one. Live

1702
01:40:41,960 --> 01:40:45,080
Speaker 1: show dates coming up, man, get your tickets. Go to

1703
01:40:46,040 --> 01:40:51,280
Speaker 1: the me eater dot com um and the tab is

1704
01:40:51,640 --> 01:40:56,040
Speaker 1: the events and events events and check it out. UM

1705
01:40:56,200 --> 01:40:58,080
Speaker 1: also got some speaking events coming up and those are

1706
01:40:58,120 --> 01:40:59,920
Speaker 1: there as well. The places wrong be giving a give

1707
01:41:00,280 --> 01:41:03,320
Speaker 1: keynotes and whatnot, so you can see those there. And

1708
01:41:03,640 --> 01:41:07,000
Speaker 1: Pheasant Peasant Fast and Shauanburg, Illinois, which someone told me

1709
01:41:07,000 --> 01:41:11,919
Speaker 1: he's kind of like Chicago. It's a bit different than Chicago,

1710
01:41:12,000 --> 01:41:14,240
Speaker 1: but close very similar. There's a yeah, there's a big

1711
01:41:14,360 --> 01:41:18,360
Speaker 1: radius of suburbs. There got one coming up in Lander,

1712
01:41:18,360 --> 01:41:24,360
Speaker 1: Wyoming at the UM Newly fanatics got, uh, you're going

1713
01:41:24,400 --> 01:41:32,920
Speaker 1: to Harrisburg. Nope, Nope, I got one coming up in Yeah,

1714
01:41:34,240 --> 01:41:41,080
Speaker 1: concluder gall that's where we were. Oh yeah, boy, get

1715
01:41:41,080 --> 01:41:45,880
Speaker 1: a solid ress, go by a bypod. I mean, if

1716
01:41:45,880 --> 01:41:50,680
Speaker 1: you're not touching that triggered knowing that you were going

1717
01:41:50,720 --> 01:41:53,960
Speaker 1: to kill something, then you should not be touching that trigger.

1718
01:41:56,640 --> 01:41:59,720
Speaker 1: Speaking of bipods and uh citing in because it fella

1719
01:41:59,760 --> 01:42:02,200
Speaker 1: city siting in off hand, I say too, if you're

1720
01:42:02,200 --> 01:42:05,479
Speaker 1: gonna use a bipod, definitely site in using that bipod

1721
01:42:05,680 --> 01:42:07,759
Speaker 1: because I know that my rifles have a much different

1722
01:42:07,800 --> 01:42:10,640
Speaker 1: point of impact if I'm shooting off of a sandbag

1723
01:42:11,479 --> 01:42:13,639
Speaker 1: on a bench and that bipod off of a bench.

1724
01:42:13,720 --> 01:42:16,200
Speaker 1: And even though a lot of guys will say don't

1725
01:42:16,240 --> 01:42:19,120
Speaker 1: shoot the bipod off a concrete bench because that concrete

1726
01:42:19,160 --> 01:42:22,280
Speaker 1: bench is so stiff compared if you just said it

1727
01:42:22,280 --> 01:42:26,040
Speaker 1: on the ground that there's there's a difference point of impact.

1728
01:42:27,320 --> 01:42:31,040
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean I was real world situations site

1729
01:42:31,040 --> 01:42:35,080
Speaker 1: in the rifle, like locked into a lead sled. And

1730
01:42:35,160 --> 01:42:38,639
Speaker 1: maybe maybe this is wrong, but I have always treated

1731
01:42:38,640 --> 01:42:42,040
Speaker 1: my guns is sighted in locked into a lead sled,

1732
01:42:42,120 --> 01:42:44,920
Speaker 1: take every variable out of it, the gun is zero,

1733
01:42:46,000 --> 01:42:48,880
Speaker 1: and then any imperfection after that from shooting off of

1734
01:42:48,880 --> 01:42:52,559
Speaker 1: a bipod or shooting freehand is your fault. Not not

1735
01:42:52,640 --> 01:42:54,400
Speaker 1: so much the guns. Oh, I think it needs to

1736
01:42:54,400 --> 01:42:56,960
Speaker 1: be adjusted to how you hold that rifle though too.

1737
01:42:57,120 --> 01:42:59,800
Speaker 1: There's gonna be like, I totally agree like you, you

1738
01:43:00,280 --> 01:43:04,200
Speaker 1: sound the mechanics of everything. The gun is bedded properly,

1739
01:43:04,280 --> 01:43:10,400
Speaker 1: the scopes mounted properly. Um. You could even shoot your

1740
01:43:10,400 --> 01:43:14,720
Speaker 1: groups off there and figure out your your loads um

1741
01:43:15,000 --> 01:43:18,920
Speaker 1: bullets bullet and grain grain to grain um. And if

1742
01:43:18,920 --> 01:43:22,280
Speaker 1: you want to go through that and proof all of

1743
01:43:22,360 --> 01:43:28,559
Speaker 1: that and then adding the variable of the human component, um,

1744
01:43:28,680 --> 01:43:30,840
Speaker 1: then you will would still more than likely need to

1745
01:43:30,920 --> 01:43:35,679
Speaker 1: make some adjustments to you know, your particular cheek weld. H. Yeah.

1746
01:43:35,720 --> 01:43:37,760
Speaker 1: I always like to just determine that the scope is

1747
01:43:37,800 --> 01:43:40,120
Speaker 1: listening to me when I make adjustments, and like when

1748
01:43:40,120 --> 01:43:42,960
Speaker 1: it's one of Lea's let you know, when you're they're

1749
01:43:43,040 --> 01:43:45,160
Speaker 1: human air involved, when you're you know, sighting a gun

1750
01:43:45,200 --> 01:43:46,840
Speaker 1: in so you're not always sure, but I always like

1751
01:43:46,880 --> 01:43:48,519
Speaker 1: to make sure if I move it two inches down

1752
01:43:48,560 --> 01:43:51,400
Speaker 1: to two inches right, that it does exactly that. I

1753
01:43:51,400 --> 01:43:54,200
Speaker 1: feel like that's a good thing to know a new rifle.

1754
01:43:55,200 --> 01:43:57,240
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll tell you I don't do this. I

1755
01:43:57,960 --> 01:44:00,200
Speaker 1: throw her, throw her down on top of my act

1756
01:44:00,240 --> 01:44:03,160
Speaker 1: pack a lot of times, down on some chunk of

1757
01:44:03,200 --> 01:44:06,080
Speaker 1: state wond or something, and make sure she's still still

1758
01:44:06,200 --> 01:44:15,919
Speaker 1: hitting taped up. Talk about uh, cycling through the tracking

1759
01:44:15,960 --> 01:44:22,000
Speaker 1: on your scope? Oh really zero to check, you know,

1760
01:44:22,240 --> 01:44:25,120
Speaker 1: to check your scope like zero and then dial up

1761
01:44:25,760 --> 01:44:30,000
Speaker 1: m A, then dial back twenty m and make sure

1762
01:44:30,040 --> 01:44:32,360
Speaker 1: it lands back where it's supposed to it for a walk.

1763
01:44:33,000 --> 01:44:35,599
Speaker 1: That's particularly if you're using the scope where you're manually

1764
01:44:35,640 --> 01:44:39,439
Speaker 1: dialing before your shots. And what happens if if you

1765
01:44:39,479 --> 01:44:41,400
Speaker 1: don't feel like it's coming back to where it's you

1766
01:44:41,479 --> 01:44:46,960
Speaker 1: got a problem? Yeah, you like you got a two

1767
01:44:47,360 --> 01:44:49,599
Speaker 1: yards zero and you dial up for let's say you're

1768
01:44:49,640 --> 01:44:52,200
Speaker 1: messing around and you're trying to press your bodies out.

1769
01:44:52,200 --> 01:44:54,679
Speaker 1: You shoot rock six hundred yards away and you dial

1770
01:44:54,760 --> 01:44:58,439
Speaker 1: up six or seven and then you dial back. You

1771
01:44:58,439 --> 01:45:02,320
Speaker 1: should do that at the range and when you dial back, like,

1772
01:45:02,400 --> 01:45:04,840
Speaker 1: is that where you're at? Because you might you could

1773
01:45:04,920 --> 01:45:06,559
Speaker 1: you know, some skulls may have a problem. They don't

1774
01:45:06,600 --> 01:45:09,880
Speaker 1: track back to where they're supposed to. Just something to

1775
01:45:09,920 --> 01:45:12,720
Speaker 1: keep in mind. But I started using like the the

1776
01:45:12,760 --> 01:45:17,720
Speaker 1: b DC radicals man, and it's not like, yeah, take

1777
01:45:17,800 --> 01:45:20,080
Speaker 1: take one more thing out. Yeah, like I used to,

1778
01:45:20,240 --> 01:45:24,920
Speaker 1: I flirted with messing around dialing. I just like to

1779
01:45:24,960 --> 01:45:27,800
Speaker 1: count hash marks. Yeah, it's a lot. It's just like

1780
01:45:27,880 --> 01:45:29,760
Speaker 1: for me. It depends what kind of guy you are

1781
01:45:29,760 --> 01:45:31,599
Speaker 1: and how your brain works and stuff. But my brain

1782
01:45:31,640 --> 01:45:33,400
Speaker 1: is the kind of brain that does better when everybody's

1783
01:45:33,439 --> 01:45:36,040
Speaker 1: locked in. I'm counting hash marks. Are you super solid

1784
01:45:36,080 --> 01:45:39,280
Speaker 1: on your hash marks? Like yeah, yeah, do you ever

1785
01:45:39,320 --> 01:45:42,280
Speaker 1: print something mountain tape it to your stock or yeah?

1786
01:45:42,800 --> 01:45:45,800
Speaker 1: I print fifty yard increments two yards zero, and I

1787
01:45:45,840 --> 01:45:48,360
Speaker 1: take a little thing that's two two fifty three, three

1788
01:45:48,400 --> 01:45:52,160
Speaker 1: fifty four, fifty five fifty six, and I'll put it

1789
01:45:52,200 --> 01:45:53,960
Speaker 1: on there. I'll put high ones on there because you

1790
01:45:54,000 --> 01:45:55,679
Speaker 1: never know the situation where you got something getting away

1791
01:45:55,680 --> 01:45:58,880
Speaker 1: from me that you you wounded or whatever. And then

1792
01:45:58,880 --> 01:46:00,880
Speaker 1: I and then I just have plus and I round

1793
01:46:00,920 --> 01:46:03,040
Speaker 1: them off. I don't have like, you know, three point

1794
01:46:03,120 --> 01:46:07,720
Speaker 1: nine seven. It's like a round him four on where

1795
01:46:07,760 --> 01:46:09,759
Speaker 1: I want them. And that's when you used to dial.

1796
01:46:09,840 --> 01:46:12,160
Speaker 1: You don't have that if you're reading your hash marks.

1797
01:46:12,240 --> 01:46:17,200
Speaker 1: I use it for my hash marks. Even though they're correlated,

1798
01:46:17,240 --> 01:46:20,040
Speaker 1: they're they're like you can correlate them for like most

1799
01:46:20,080 --> 01:46:22,400
Speaker 1: like magnum rifles. Right, if you know you have a

1800
01:46:22,439 --> 01:46:25,040
Speaker 1: two yards zero, then you know that the hashtards are

1801
01:46:25,120 --> 01:46:27,920
Speaker 1: roughly right. But no, I I write it out, just

1802
01:46:28,000 --> 01:46:30,000
Speaker 1: run that into blistic calculator every time. I'm just print

1803
01:46:30,040 --> 01:46:33,439
Speaker 1: out a new new paper for everything. I'm sorry, I'm confused.

1804
01:46:34,160 --> 01:46:37,720
Speaker 1: If you're you're writing out what each hash mark equals. No,

1805
01:46:37,920 --> 01:46:42,120
Speaker 1: I'm writing out my drop. Okay, so I have like whatever,

1806
01:46:42,200 --> 01:46:43,880
Speaker 1: Like I understand that, but then how do you how

1807
01:46:43,880 --> 01:46:47,360
Speaker 1: does that work when you look at your hash marks? Well,

1808
01:46:47,400 --> 01:46:48,720
Speaker 1: if I know I'm if I know I need to

1809
01:46:48,760 --> 01:46:50,559
Speaker 1: If if I know I need to do four, then

1810
01:46:50,560 --> 01:46:52,400
Speaker 1: I count down to hash marks and hold four. If

1811
01:46:52,400 --> 01:46:54,400
Speaker 1: it's five, I got to count down to hash marks

1812
01:46:54,400 --> 01:46:56,799
Speaker 1: and split the difference between four and six. The printed

1813
01:46:56,800 --> 01:47:00,200
Speaker 1: out things just yeah, no four m o A what ever?

1814
01:47:03,000 --> 01:47:04,640
Speaker 1: If you have if you have if you have a

1815
01:47:05,640 --> 01:47:07,479
Speaker 1: like a stat what do you call like a stacked

1816
01:47:07,560 --> 01:47:12,559
Speaker 1: radical right within their two m a a increments. If

1817
01:47:12,560 --> 01:47:14,640
Speaker 1: I look and I'm like, oh, this shot, I'm going

1818
01:47:14,680 --> 01:47:18,960
Speaker 1: to be four m o A low, then I go

1819
01:47:19,040 --> 01:47:23,519
Speaker 1: down and go to the fourth the fourth, So you're

1820
01:47:23,600 --> 01:47:27,280
Speaker 1: joggling that and knowing what the hash mark yardage is

1821
01:47:28,200 --> 01:47:29,880
Speaker 1: or do you not do that? No? I just go

1822
01:47:30,000 --> 01:47:32,400
Speaker 1: by I know what the how I know that, like

1823
01:47:32,439 --> 01:47:35,519
Speaker 1: the minute of angle drop. I'm trying to compensate for

1824
01:47:37,080 --> 01:47:39,840
Speaker 1: for it by using my because like the way I'll

1825
01:47:39,840 --> 01:47:42,400
Speaker 1: do on the BDC is I'll have my little chart

1826
01:47:42,439 --> 01:47:46,080
Speaker 1: printed out where it says the second hash is three two,

1827
01:47:46,280 --> 01:47:48,960
Speaker 1: the third hash is spot on. That's that's what I

1828
01:47:49,000 --> 01:47:53,720
Speaker 1: was on your thing. Yeah, yeah, then you take that

1829
01:47:53,760 --> 01:47:57,000
Speaker 1: to your stocks before you shoot. You like, oh, scope,

1830
01:47:57,000 --> 01:47:58,720
Speaker 1: I know what you're saying. That's another way. I think

1831
01:47:58,720 --> 01:48:00,559
Speaker 1: that's that's a good way of achieve in the same thing.

1832
01:48:00,640 --> 01:48:02,600
Speaker 1: Either way. Did you like that better than how I

1833
01:48:02,640 --> 01:48:05,840
Speaker 1: do it? There's less math at to do in my

1834
01:48:05,880 --> 01:48:10,080
Speaker 1: head in the moment. And there's something about that turret

1835
01:48:10,120 --> 01:48:13,000
Speaker 1: though I've been hunting with one lately. Rosky they have

1836
01:48:13,040 --> 01:48:16,000
Speaker 1: a PBC I believe it is. It's a bliss. So

1837
01:48:16,040 --> 01:48:18,120
Speaker 1: you send them off all your info, you send them

1838
01:48:18,160 --> 01:48:20,840
Speaker 1: off your bullet, you send them off fps, you send

1839
01:48:20,880 --> 01:48:23,559
Speaker 1: them off your elevation everything, and they send you back

1840
01:48:23,600 --> 01:48:26,760
Speaker 1: a customed turret for your load. Yeah, Vortex does that.

1841
01:48:26,960 --> 01:48:29,439
Speaker 1: You pop it on and it's it's and almost it's

1842
01:48:29,479 --> 01:48:31,040
Speaker 1: like if you have a rifle you're only going to

1843
01:48:31,120 --> 01:48:33,840
Speaker 1: use around home, and you're died in with scope and

1844
01:48:33,840 --> 01:48:36,200
Speaker 1: you're super confident, pop that thing on. You never have

1845
01:48:36,280 --> 01:48:38,559
Speaker 1: to change it and it's always a good Yeah. I

1846
01:48:38,640 --> 01:48:40,840
Speaker 1: had some of those. I liked them, but it was like,

1847
01:48:42,320 --> 01:48:44,519
Speaker 1: it's hard for traveling hunters, you know, because you're changing

1848
01:48:44,560 --> 01:48:46,840
Speaker 1: elevations all the time, you're changing you know a lot

1849
01:48:46,880 --> 01:48:49,680
Speaker 1: of the variables. It's hard when you always have to

1850
01:48:49,680 --> 01:48:51,760
Speaker 1: mess around. You always mess around with different rifles and

1851
01:48:51,800 --> 01:48:54,240
Speaker 1: different loads. If you have one rifle for a specific

1852
01:48:54,280 --> 01:48:57,240
Speaker 1: purpose of specific place, is super easy to do. But

1853
01:48:58,680 --> 01:49:01,360
Speaker 1: the reason that Krooke like, I see your system. It's fine,

1854
01:49:01,400 --> 01:49:02,880
Speaker 1: it would work the same way, but now and then

1855
01:49:02,920 --> 01:49:06,920
Speaker 1: you're splitting the difference. You know you're doing. You have

1856
01:49:07,000 --> 01:49:10,479
Speaker 1: two m o A hash marks and you're working with

1857
01:49:10,520 --> 01:49:13,360
Speaker 1: odd numbers, but still be the same thing. I can see.

1858
01:49:13,400 --> 01:49:15,360
Speaker 1: I can see either way. I think it's six is

1859
01:49:17,120 --> 01:49:21,240
Speaker 1: short for six and a half. SI made that up.

1860
01:49:24,600 --> 01:49:30,360
Speaker 1: I don't have any concluding thoughts personally, Pete Ah, not

1861
01:49:30,360 --> 01:49:32,040
Speaker 1: not much. We've got a lot of snow and I

1862
01:49:32,080 --> 01:49:33,639
Speaker 1: hope we have a good weekend. A hunt in ahead

1863
01:49:33,640 --> 01:49:37,479
Speaker 1: of us. Uh segue off of the live shows you

1864
01:49:37,520 --> 01:49:40,479
Speaker 1: all got coming up and sheep show here in Reno

1865
01:49:40,560 --> 01:49:43,000
Speaker 1: and early February. If you are going to sheep show,

1866
01:49:43,840 --> 01:49:47,200
Speaker 1: certainly go see the live Meat Eater podcast. And also,

1867
01:49:47,400 --> 01:49:50,120
Speaker 1: you guys canna have a booth? Yeah? Absolutely? Can people

1868
01:49:50,120 --> 01:49:53,080
Speaker 1: come buy a meet you? Fit you in the backback.

1869
01:49:53,080 --> 01:49:54,400
Speaker 1: I don't know if you want to meet me or not.

1870
01:49:54,439 --> 01:49:57,479
Speaker 1: But have you got a girlfriend right now? Uh? You

1871
01:49:57,520 --> 01:50:00,640
Speaker 1: know it's a loose term, but I'm trying to think

1872
01:50:00,640 --> 01:50:03,080
Speaker 1: of women should go and try to meet Pete? I guess,

1873
01:50:03,160 --> 01:50:05,479
Speaker 1: I guess that's the topic. No, I do not have

1874
01:50:07,080 --> 01:50:08,920
Speaker 1: I let me finish my concluded. My concluder was, if

1875
01:50:08,960 --> 01:50:11,599
Speaker 1: you're go on a sheep show, join the Lesson one Club.

1876
01:50:11,640 --> 01:50:13,519
Speaker 1: If you've never killed a sheep, if you have never

1877
01:50:14,160 --> 01:50:17,200
Speaker 1: killed a mountain goat, joined the Rocky Mountain Goat Alliance

1878
01:50:17,200 --> 01:50:21,240
Speaker 1: has newly founded Billy Goat Society. Remember when your first

1879
01:50:21,240 --> 01:50:23,400
Speaker 1: Mountain Goat hunt from rm g A or when your

1880
01:50:23,439 --> 01:50:25,840
Speaker 1: first sheep hunt from the Wild Sheep Foundation, do you

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01:50:25,880 --> 01:50:29,479
Speaker 1: guys be present for the rm g A makes a

1882
01:50:29,520 --> 01:50:32,360
Speaker 1: little more fun? If you what have you killed nanny? Yeah,

1883
01:50:32,400 --> 01:50:38,360
Speaker 1: you're out, You're out. Can't join. You had your chances

1884
01:50:38,400 --> 01:50:42,400
Speaker 1: that called the Billy Goat Society. But yes, we have

1885
01:50:42,439 --> 01:50:46,080
Speaker 1: determined if you have killed any mountain goat, billy nanny kid,

1886
01:50:46,280 --> 01:50:49,360
Speaker 1: you are out. It's correct. Yeah, if you want to

1887
01:50:49,400 --> 01:50:54,400
Speaker 1: be just a good conservation minded fellow or gal and uh,

1888
01:50:54,680 --> 01:50:58,559
Speaker 1: you know, not be burdened with wondering if you're gonna

1889
01:50:58,560 --> 01:51:00,360
Speaker 1: win a hunt or not. I'd just say give him

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01:51:00,360 --> 01:51:04,360
Speaker 1: some money. And those folks like myself that are already

1891
01:51:04,400 --> 01:51:09,960
Speaker 1: in the drawing, well, thank you for it. There you go. Alright, alright, alright, alright,

1892
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Speaker 1: thank you for joining