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Speaker 1: I'm joined today by my good buddy Randy Milligan. Randy

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Speaker 1: goes to work every day as a c p A

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Speaker 1: where he's a principal in Arkansas, but his real passion

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Speaker 1: lies in farming for turkey and deer at his property

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Speaker 1: in Kansas. Today, we're going to discuss what he sees

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Speaker 1: as an essential habitat for turkeys. This information should be

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Speaker 1: just as helpful for public land turkey hunters as it

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Speaker 1: is for people on private It should be a great conversation.

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Speaker 1: But first let's get to some listeners questions. The first

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Speaker 1: questions we got from our listeners is what kind of

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Speaker 1: calls do you like to use? And so for me,

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Speaker 1: I'll take a stab at it and then I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: throw it over to Randy to kind of see how

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Speaker 1: how are our kids kind of compare and then how

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Speaker 1: they differ. So what kind of calls do I like

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Speaker 1: to use? Being a you know, elk caller that that's

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Speaker 1: kind of transitioned over to turkey. Really have a love

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Speaker 1: for turkey. I always have two or three diaphragms, And

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Speaker 1: with that said, I'd like to have one that's that's

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Speaker 1: fairly heavy, you know, a fairly raspy call, and then

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Speaker 1: I like to have one that's pretty clean for for

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Speaker 1: light subtle calling. UM, I'm always gonna have at least

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Speaker 1: and then I'm gonna carry a box call. So on

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Speaker 1: those windy days, you know out here in the Pacific Northwest,

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Speaker 1: we have really dense you know, vegetation in some of

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Speaker 1: the areas we hunt, and we really want to reach

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Speaker 1: out and touch them. We'll we'll grab that high pitched,

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Speaker 1: you know, loud box call. With that said, I would

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Speaker 1: say eighty percent of the time we're running diaphragms, but

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Speaker 1: there's just certain birds where that pot caller, that box

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Speaker 1: call is kind of the ticket and you gotta kind

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Speaker 1: of stick with it. But um, that that's kind of

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Speaker 1: my setup. Keep it really simple. You know, there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of different you know shape gobble calls. There's you

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Speaker 1: know the spring loaded you know, cluckers and stuff like that.

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Speaker 1: But I keep it pretty pretty uh, you know, playing

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Speaker 1: with some diaphragms, pot call with a few strikers in

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Speaker 1: a box call. What do you use, Randy, Um, as

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Speaker 1: far as what calls do you like to use? You know,

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Speaker 1: I'm kind of like you. But I have a pouch

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Speaker 1: full of mouth calls, so I have several mouth calls.

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Speaker 1: I may have five or six different mouth calls. I

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Speaker 1: normally carry two, at least two podcasts. One of them

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Speaker 1: will be a slate call. One of them might be

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Speaker 1: a glass or you know, something like that with several

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Speaker 1: strikers and I and I too carry one box call.

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Speaker 1: Now I use mine a little different. Where in the mornings,

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Speaker 1: when I'm sitting on a roost and I'm close to it,

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Speaker 1: I'm normally always used that pod call. I can get

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Speaker 1: as low as I can. It's quiet. I don't want

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Speaker 1: to be very loud, so I'm using that podcall. Once

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Speaker 1: that turkey hits the ground, I'm normally going to a

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Speaker 1: diaphragm because you know, I don't have to move my hands.

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Speaker 1: I feel comfortable calling that mouth, you know, with a diaphragm.

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Speaker 1: And then I keep a box call. A lot of

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Speaker 1: times I'll hunt different states. If I'm in Texas or something,

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Speaker 1: or in Kansas. As you know, he came out and

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Speaker 1: So in the middle of the day, I may hit

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Speaker 1: that box call where you know I can make it

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Speaker 1: those those are my three go to calls. Perfect. Perfect.

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Speaker 1: You brought up a point. Um, you know, turkeys on

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Speaker 1: you know, very very slim. What's your success in calling

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Speaker 1: Or do the turkeys just tend to do what they

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Speaker 1: if you make a peep, you know, I've had luck

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Speaker 1: I kind of let the turkeys tell me what to do. Uh.

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Speaker 1: The two questions we got are both related around calls

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Speaker 1: and and there's not a lot of other information around

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Speaker 1: this one, but how important are calls? And I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: the Woodsman ship, you know, to get around in the woods,

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Speaker 1: where to set up, to get on the ridge in

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Speaker 1: but I you know, I've killed a lot of turkeys,

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Speaker 1: I want to be able to use it and and

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Speaker 1: somebody scratching a chalkboard. And so I have over the

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Speaker 1: make sure the three calls you talked about, the mouth call,

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Speaker 1: be efficient at all three of them. Now, as long

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Speaker 1: lot of people, can you know, will kill turkeys. I

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Speaker 1: don't think it's the most important, but I think that

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Speaker 1: things out there that you've got to be pretty decent that, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: for sure, you know, I love to make the calls

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Speaker 1: the most important. But just like you, you know, woodsman ship, um,

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Speaker 1: those turkeys. So you know, I love to call turkeys

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Speaker 1: now that we've got those two user questions of the way,

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Speaker 1: let's jump into kind of the reason, you know, the

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Speaker 1: main reason we brought you on. And don't let Randy

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Speaker 1: Foolia out there. He's a great turkey caller, knows what

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Speaker 1: he can call for me any day. But uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's more of what do the turkeys need? Um. You know,

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Speaker 1: your your own home stata, well not your home state,

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Speaker 1: seems like the population's way down. You know, Missouri's trying

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Speaker 1: What do turkeys need to thrive? What do turkeys need

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Speaker 1: out and and just being able to spend you know,

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Speaker 1: five four or five days at your property and just

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Speaker 1: kind of see everything that's been built for the you know,

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Speaker 1: the deer and the turkeys out there. UM. You know,

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Speaker 1: be a great guesses to go over you know, some

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Speaker 1: of these questions we have and then get your opinion. UM.

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Speaker 1: Since you've got to you monitor the property and kind

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Speaker 1: so turkey populations and you're correct, you know. I I

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Speaker 1: read in the WTF and all these states and numbers

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Speaker 1: something different. And if it's planting, you know, gobbler sawtooth trees,

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Speaker 1: people talk about hinge cutting. I try to do, uh,

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Speaker 1: You know, a lot of people go out and do

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Speaker 1: food plots, they put feeders out there, but timber management

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Speaker 1: is very important, you know. But give them that nest

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Speaker 1: The other thing I think, you know, I hear people

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Speaker 1: killing these turkeys? Why there's not as many? And and

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Speaker 1: predator to control is the main thing. You know. I

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Speaker 1: well we hunt here in northeast Washington, you know, very

426
00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:37,399
Speaker 1: very little agg you know, just along kind of the

427
00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:39,160
Speaker 1: county roads, and then you kind of shoot up into

428
00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:41,919
Speaker 1: the mountains where it's you know, Ponderosa pine and just

429
00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:44,560
Speaker 1: kind of your native grasses and stuff, and you know,

430
00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:46,520
Speaker 1: trying to figure out where those birds want to be

431
00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:49,639
Speaker 1: and that stuff is sometimes difficult because it looks, you

432
00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:53,320
Speaker 1: know the same for miles and miles and miles um.

433
00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:56,000
Speaker 1: But you eventually figure out, you know, draws and ridge

434
00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,560
Speaker 1: tops and and some of that stuff, you know, where

435
00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:01,600
Speaker 1: they prefer to be, even though there's a vast um,

436
00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:04,879
Speaker 1: you know, never ending supply of of native grasses and

437
00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:08,439
Speaker 1: and you know, pine trees and whatnot. So yeah, same thing.

438
00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:11,000
Speaker 1: You've got to just kind of adapt to the area. Um,

439
00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:13,320
Speaker 1: even though I do kind of always like being close

440
00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:16,439
Speaker 1: to somewhat you know, some part of agg um seems

441
00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:19,040
Speaker 1: to be and make those turkeys a little more predictable,

442
00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,119
Speaker 1: but um you know, you just got to kind of

443
00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:24,600
Speaker 1: adapt to to those um So, one thing I want

444
00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:26,760
Speaker 1: to touch on, you know, the the intent of this

445
00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:29,359
Speaker 1: podcast is to hopefully help you know, the listeners be

446
00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:32,560
Speaker 1: more successful, is how do you use the habitat to

447
00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:35,280
Speaker 1: hunt the turkeys? As far as we've went over, like

448
00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:39,200
Speaker 1: everything that turkey wants for food and security and roost

449
00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,359
Speaker 1: trees and you know how they can set up their

450
00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:44,439
Speaker 1: own daily routine, you know, based on the habitat. But

451
00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:46,760
Speaker 1: how do you use that to to give you an

452
00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:49,320
Speaker 1: advantage Randy as you kind of put the day's plan

453
00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,480
Speaker 1: together or you know that hunt plan together, you know,

454
00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:55,600
Speaker 1: in in the mornings, Jason, I'm I'm going to go,

455
00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:58,920
Speaker 1: you know where I hunt normally, even when I hunt

456
00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:02,520
Speaker 1: Missouri or a hunt ends is hunt Texas. I know

457
00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:04,680
Speaker 1: where a lot of the turkey's gonna roost. I'm gonna

458
00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:06,560
Speaker 1: try to find them on the roost and and go

459
00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:08,520
Speaker 1: there and get as close as I can in that morning.

460
00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:10,960
Speaker 1: And most of the time, you know, they're they're in

461
00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,000
Speaker 1: the woods a lot of times on the creek bottom,

462
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,240
Speaker 1: and they're gonna come down to you know, in those

463
00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:18,040
Speaker 1: woods somewhere in the middle of the day. A lot

464
00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:23,080
Speaker 1: of times I'm gonna go to specific clover field or cornfield.

465
00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:25,960
Speaker 1: The other day you killed your bird, we were headed

466
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:30,480
Speaker 1: trially really to the clover field and and the cornfield

467
00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,639
Speaker 1: you know, still had had corn in it, you know,

468
00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:35,880
Speaker 1: standing corn and things. So we set up there because

469
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,320
Speaker 1: it had been raining, if you remember that day. And

470
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:42,480
Speaker 1: and uh, I like to hunt till about noon. Truthfully,

471
00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:44,639
Speaker 1: over older, I get I try not to hunt in

472
00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:46,879
Speaker 1: the afternoons. I try not to hunt roost sites in

473
00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:49,359
Speaker 1: the afternoon. I want to give them a break. And

474
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,480
Speaker 1: that's kind of when we go crappie fishing, but in

475
00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,960
Speaker 1: the afternoons. But uh, yeah, I will try to hunt

476
00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:59,480
Speaker 1: off the roost in the mornings. And once you know,

477
00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:01,359
Speaker 1: if the turk he's in the first second week in

478
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,720
Speaker 1: April and Kansas, they'll stay in the woods for a while.

479
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,639
Speaker 1: So I enjoy getting into timber and hunting them. In

480
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:09,480
Speaker 1: the middle of the day. I'll go to the food plots.

481
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,359
Speaker 1: I'll go to that clover field because I think those

482
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,639
Speaker 1: hens are coming to buck and you know, so I

483
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,480
Speaker 1: I kind of know I've hunted there over twenty years.

484
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:20,120
Speaker 1: I kind of know where to go up there where

485
00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:23,400
Speaker 1: they're gonna be. Yeah. And one thing that I liked

486
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:25,159
Speaker 1: on your places that we kind of hung around that

487
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:26,960
Speaker 1: same area and we did a lot of calling. You know,

488
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 1: Chris did a lot of calling early in that morning

489
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,080
Speaker 1: and and things weren't working. We got close a couple

490
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:35,160
Speaker 1: of times, and those hens kind of did the same routine. Um,

491
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:37,720
Speaker 1: when Chris and Dirk were able to kill their birds,

492
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,359
Speaker 1: they kind of pulled those toms right pastes. They didn't

493
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,440
Speaker 1: really care. But you know, one thing is as I

494
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:44,720
Speaker 1: get older, I'm convinced and talking with you know, some

495
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 1: Turkey experts like Mike Chamberlain as those those toms you know,

496
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,200
Speaker 1: later in that season, they know that you were around

497
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:52,560
Speaker 1: that area, and once their hens go to lay, they

498
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 1: may come back looking for you. And so like you said,

499
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,280
Speaker 1: you know, calling in that area and then staying there,

500
00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 1: you know throughout the late morning, UM could definitely beat

501
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:02,879
Speaker 1: to the hunter's benefit, you know, not to leave the

502
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,639
Speaker 1: area and go find new birds, but kind of continue

503
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 1: that play that you played on the morning, UM and

504
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 1: get them to come back and see if you're still around.

505
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 1: I totally agree. I mean, you know, I like to

506
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 1: a lot of times even you know if if I

507
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 1: know the birds are really hand up, you know, we'll

508
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 1: go eat breakfast, be gone about an hour, hour and

509
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 1: a half and give them time to do their thing,

510
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,479
Speaker 1: get them bread and hopefully the hands will leave them,

511
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 1: you know, and later this season it's a little easier

512
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 1: to do. You go back to the same exact same spot,

513
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,919
Speaker 1: and the turkeys were gobbling. I couldn't tell you how

514
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 1: many times I had a buddy. A couple of years ago,

515
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 1: we were down in Kansas about the same spot Dirks

516
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,199
Speaker 1: and Chris Hauld killed their birds. We were down the

517
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,600
Speaker 1: ridge a little ways and uh we had five long

518
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,159
Speaker 1: beards with about fifteen hens hu hung up in the

519
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:57,879
Speaker 1: woods and they gobbled probably to eight thirty never moved. Jason,

520
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 1: we went back to the house e breakfast, got back

521
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 1: about Levin called eleven o'clock. I called. They were in

522
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:09,400
Speaker 1: the same spot. You know, it's amazing turkeys don't move

523
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,119
Speaker 1: a lot. They can be in the same spot for

524
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:16,640
Speaker 1: hours and you think they're gone, and two hours later

525
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 1: they're still on the same ridge. Yea. You know. So

526
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,879
Speaker 1: the key is you just gotta stay after him, you know,

527
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 1: you gotta get after him. And when I'm going to

528
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,160
Speaker 1: make a mistake. Yeah, that day, I think we started

529
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 1: we touched everywhere those turkeys were, and then when we

530
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:32,919
Speaker 1: came back it I believe we showed up at what

531
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 1: two o'clock, those turkeys were right back in the same spot.

532
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 1: They had never left there. They just walked a circle

533
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:41,119
Speaker 1: around us all day. Um. Yeah, so that was that

534
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,399
Speaker 1: was pretty cool. And uh so on that day, I

535
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 1: want to ask you specifically about that situation, Randy, and

536
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:47,360
Speaker 1: whether we know the answer or not, we'll take our

537
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 1: best stab at it, you know, so we should you

538
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 1: know later And well, I guess it was what was

539
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,359
Speaker 1: at May seventh and eighth? We were there, um a

540
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 1: little bit later and you know, in the season, and

541
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:02,400
Speaker 1: those those hens were still what the birds out till

542
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:04,640
Speaker 1: one and two o'clock. Do you feel that those hens

543
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 1: had already went to nest and then came back or

544
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 1: were they just uh not being bred yet? Like what

545
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 1: was the reason those hens were hanging onto those toms

546
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 1: so long? Um that day? You know, one, we have

547
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,440
Speaker 1: a lot of hens down there, so you know that

548
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,199
Speaker 1: morning they may have bred several of them and several

549
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 1: of them went to roost and and several of them, uh,

550
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 1: May have not have been bred yet. So you know

551
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 1: when if you remember when we were down there, you

552
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:35,200
Speaker 1: could hear hens all in the woods and uh, those

553
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 1: two turkeys, you know, they we had four or five

554
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,479
Speaker 1: hens just struck, you know, walked right by us bugging

555
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 1: and um, so I would think probably several of the

556
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:46,919
Speaker 1: hens they had bread had gone to nest. I mean

557
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 1: made the seventh in Kansas. I mean a lot of

558
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 1: hens are sitting on nests, and but there's so many

559
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 1: hens in there, I would imagine they were still with them.

560
00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 1: And you know, early Jason, I've seen, uh, I've seen

561
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 1: turkeys up there with several hens sit under a couple

562
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 1: of trees out in an open field. They'll be there

563
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:12,159
Speaker 1: for hours and never so I think, you know, depending

564
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,400
Speaker 1: on what the time of the year is, those gobblers

565
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 1: aren't leaving leaving those hens very often. Now you're going

566
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 1: back up there May or twenty nine, you know, those

567
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 1: those hens would have definitely left those gobblers and go

568
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:40,680
Speaker 1: and sit on the net more than likely. You have

569
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 1: my favorite time here in Washington to hunt. Um. You know,

570
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,680
Speaker 1: you would always get all amped up for opening day

571
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 1: April fifteen. You wanted to be in the woods and

572
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 1: then you realize one, everybody else is, you know, just

573
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 1: as excited for opening day. So the woods, uh, you know,

574
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 1: are just a mess with people everywhere. Number two, you

575
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 1: would find a gobbler and he wouldn't leave those hens

576
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,120
Speaker 1: or nothing. And so we kind of just developed that plan.

577
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 1: Like we found out the best time for us to

578
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 1: hunt was early May here, um, just because the crowds.

579
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 1: But then almost you know, we always picked that first

580
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:15,719
Speaker 1: weekend in May, which was typically you know, somewhere between

581
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:17,919
Speaker 1: you know, first or the seventh, whatever that is, and

582
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,679
Speaker 1: and almost always by I would say tenor at eleven o'clock,

583
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 1: we would almost have you know, hand free gobblers. They

584
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,119
Speaker 1: would they would go off to lay, and then we

585
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 1: would have him all to ourselves. You know. There were

586
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: a few times, and I don't know if that's because

587
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 1: we're you know, but it would it would seem to

588
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,360
Speaker 1: be opposite, like further north, we're a little bit later

589
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 1: than you guys. But um, I was just a little

590
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 1: surprised to see those two hens kind of you know,

591
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 1: our three hens kind of leading the show there in

592
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 1: the in the mid afternoon, and then those gobblers were

593
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 1: not going to leave them either. Watching them strut all

594
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 1: the way. You know, they came to link to that

595
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 1: big road. They're all the way down in that clover field,

596
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 1: and we set up on the south end of it,

597
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 1: and they came strutted all the way down to I know. Yeah,

598
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 1: it on video and it's pretty cool to watch. Yeah,

599
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 1: it was a really cool you know, just to watch

600
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,719
Speaker 1: them come through that clover and just kind of you know,

601
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 1: spitting drummond and just puffed up the whole way. Was

602
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 1: was pretty cool to watch. And then Chris and Dirk

603
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 1: made great shots and doubled up there and uh yeah,

604
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 1: a great hunt. So we touched on a little bit. Um,

605
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna dive a little bit deeper into predators because

606
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 1: I know, you know, talking with you before the show, Um,

607
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 1: we feel that that may be the biggest issue currently. Um.

608
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 1: You know that that's that's given just these wild turkeys

609
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 1: a fit right now. Um, you know, everything from the

610
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 1: cons the possums, the everything that we've have here. You

611
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 1: know what's the solution. Is it just the landowners or

612
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 1: the hunters themselves. You know, the same reason we hunt

613
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 1: coyotes out here because they wreak havoc on you know,

614
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 1: the the young fawns and calves. I mean, are we

615
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: just gonna have to to take it into our own hands?

616
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: Is that the solution is to just take care of

617
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: these predators, regardless of you know, the pelts being worth

618
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 1: anything or you know, apossum is never gonna be worth

619
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 1: a dang thing. Um Like, what's the solution to take

620
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 1: can care of this randy? Is it? Is it people

621
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: just you know, doing it because it's the right thing

622
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 1: to do for the wild turkey? Um? Or is there

623
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 1: anything else we can do to to help fend off

624
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 1: these predators? Well, you know, I think and it there's

625
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 1: two parts of that. You know, in a way, there's

626
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 1: private landowners, and I think a lot of private landowners

627
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 1: can do more trapping. And and I know in Kansas,

628
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 1: in the area I'm in up there this weekend, they're

629
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 1: having a cow competition. Whoever kills the most colts and

630
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 1: brings them in, you know, wins a prize because cowls

631
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 1: are rough on turkeys too. And and and I've never

632
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 1: seen anything kill a turkey as fast as a bobcat can.

633
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 1: And uh and I say, so, I think you've got

634
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 1: the private landowner that I think just has to be

635
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 1: more aggressive in their trapping, but on public ground, I

636
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 1: think that the Game and Fish, you know, commissions of

637
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 1: these states have to to back up and look at

638
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 1: some programs they have and what can they do to

639
00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 1: really urge people to do more trapping, more coon hunting,

640
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 1: more things like that. And and uh, you know Arkansas

641
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: has a bad problem with hogs, and and I know

642
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 1: our Game and Fish is really spending a lot of

643
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 1: time and effort trying to figure out how are we

644
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 1: going to control those And but it's the same thing

645
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 1: when it comes to the coons and and couts and

646
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 1: bobcats and everything. I mean, they're those predators are tough

647
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 1: on turkeys. So I mean, as a private landowner that

648
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 1: grew up hunting public ground, which I still enjoy doing,

649
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 1: I think I think it's going to take two sides,

650
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 1: I mean, the private landowner and the Game and Fish

651
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 1: commissions to to get serious about this predator control. All right, Randy,

652
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: now that we've kind of hit on, you know, the

653
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 1: private habitat and what turkeys prefer, if you can create

654
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 1: kind of the ideal situation which you have there on

655
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 1: your place, Um, you know, growing up you've hunted a

656
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 1: lot of public kind of where the majority of us

657
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 1: out west get to do our turkey hunting. What would

658
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: you say is the most important? Um? You know, we

659
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 1: can still use habitat to our advantage on the public ground.

660
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 1: Like what do you look for when you're you know,

661
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 1: either EA scouting or boots on the ground, Like are

662
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: you looking for some of the same stuff like a

663
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 1: feed area versus where they're going to come out of

664
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: the roost versus you know, where they want to spend

665
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 1: their day, you know, scratching and bugging. Like, explain to

666
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: me a little bit about your public land approach, but

667
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: still using habitat um to help you out. You know,

668
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 1: that's a good question. I still hunt some public ground

669
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 1: I grew up and, like said earlier, in college hunting

670
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,959
Speaker 1: Mark Twain National Forest up in Missouri, which I still,

671
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 1: you know, think is some great hunting. You can find

672
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: a lot of birds on some of that public ground.

673
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: And and I think there's so many people I've been blessed,

674
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: And she said earlier, I joke with people that I

675
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: only work to pay for my hunting hobby, you know,

676
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 1: but I've been blessed there. So I do have my

677
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 1: own own property. But you know, growing up hunting public ground.

678
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 1: There's a lot of people that still hunt in public ground.

679
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 1: And and I I elk hunt on public ground a

680
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: lot lot of times, and and I use you know,

681
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 1: you can go out there and get the ONYX Hunt

682
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 1: map and a lot of these maps. And so when

683
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 1: I'm going on public ground, I'm using these maps to

684
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: figure out where these ridges are, you know, uh, where

685
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: the creeks are lie within in that area I'm hunting.

686
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 1: And and so Mark Twain, I'll use them ill brag

687
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 1: on Missouri. I'm not from Missouri. I'm from Arkansas, but

688
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 1: I've hunted up there for years. And I think their

689
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: Game and Fish did a really good job with their

690
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: public grounds on their Mark Twain National Forest. And and

691
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: I know in Arkansas we have a lot of public

692
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: ground and in a lot of states, and I think

693
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 1: that's so important that public ground is provided to you know,

694
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 1: residents of that state to come and hunt. And uh

695
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: so I used to live I lived pretty close to

696
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 1: the Missouri line in Arkansas when I grew up, so

697
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 1: we could get up there in about an hour. And

698
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 1: you know, back then in those days, we didn't have

699
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 1: that on X maps. I mean, we had paper maps

700
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 1: and we lay it down and figure out, Okay, I'm

701
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 1: going over here on this ridge and you go over

702
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,879
Speaker 1: on that ridge. And I think that's the key because

703
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 1: a lot of those public grounds you're hunting acorn flats

704
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 1: and uh. And once you get in there and you

705
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 1: find where them turkeys are, they're gonna be in there

706
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 1: most of the time if you're hunting a ridge like that.

707
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:25,720
Speaker 1: But you know a lot of the game and fishing estates,

708
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 1: And I think that's always been good on in in

709
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:32,280
Speaker 1: Missouri and Arkansas and Kansas, there's a lot of control

710
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 1: burning and that control burning. It's amazing how fast turkeys

711
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 1: come in there after after woods are burned, our grasses

712
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 1: are burned, and and so I know in Kansas we

713
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 1: do a lot of control burning. We we burn a

714
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 1: lot of our properties up there, and I think that

715
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 1: really does help with a lot of the the turkey population.

716
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: But yeah, when I'm hunting public ground, I'm normally using

717
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 1: a map trying to figure out, okay, uh, where do

718
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 1: I need to go in here? And and probably nothing

719
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,280
Speaker 1: better Jason and calling a buddy or someone at hunted

720
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 1: that area and say hey, I'm up here for a

721
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 1: few days, you know, send me to the right spot. Yeah. Yeah,

722
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:16,839
Speaker 1: I've always told people hunters get along with hunters. There's

723
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: not a lot of jealousy there. You know, I want

724
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 1: you to kill a turkey as bad as I want

725
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 1: to kill a turkey. A lot of times I want

726
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 1: my grandson. I want my grandson to kill a turkey

727
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 1: more than I want to kill a turkey. Yeah. So yeah,

728
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 1: I think you guys out in the Midwest might be

729
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:34,839
Speaker 1: better guys than us out West, because I think it's

730
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,760
Speaker 1: the opposite. Like people out here wanna, you know, they wanna,

731
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 1: they want to do everything themselves, don't want to share.

732
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 1: It doesn't seem as much, but I know that's that's

733
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 1: good on you that you know, everybody's trying to help

734
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 1: each other back there, and uh um, that's pretty cool

735
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 1: because you know, that's that's what I love about turkey hunting,

736
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: as well as just you know, being able to go

737
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 1: out with some good buddies, you know, hang out. It

738
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 1: seems to be a little bit more relaxed than big

739
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: game hunting, but it's it's still hunting. It's still a

740
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 1: great chess match with a you know, a worthy opponent.

741
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 1: You know, it was doing wild turkeys, they get a

742
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 1: bad rap on, you know, being a dumb bird, or

743
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 1: why can't you guys kill one? They're standing all over

744
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 1: the the you know, the edge of the road or

745
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 1: the fence line, and I'm like, these turkeys might be

746
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,399
Speaker 1: the dumbest bird until you put a shotgun in your hand,

747
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 1: and then they become like the smartest bird. You know,

748
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 1: they instantly change at the point where you're trying to

749
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: kill one. Well, I got some friends in Arkansas that

750
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 1: go up to Kansas, not far from me, to hunt

751
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: on public ground, and Jason, they killed birds every year.

752
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 1: I mean, these are good hunters, you know, give them credit,

753
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,800
Speaker 1: but they're hunting public ground there. They don't have private ground,

754
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: and so there's a lot of I love reading magazines

755
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 1: when it talks about a state just you know, bought

756
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 1: and put four thousand acres of public ground in you know,

757
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: for hunters. I mean that that's exciting and I hope

758
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 1: the states keep doing that because that so many people

759
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:51,959
Speaker 1: have to hunt there. And and again, when I grew

760
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 1: up hunting, that's all we had to hunt. We we

761
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 1: couldn't we didn't own private land, you know. Yeah, And

762
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 1: that's that's a good segue into my next USh and

763
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: um out west. You know, we're hunting the majority of

764
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 1: a public ground. You know, if you're lucky enough, you

765
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 1: might be able to to get you know, onto a

766
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 1: piece of property for maybe a youth season, or if

767
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 1: you know a family friend, you might have a little

768
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 1: piece of of private you can get on. But the

769
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:18,359
Speaker 1: majority of the time we're we're running and gunning on

770
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 1: um you know, public ground, big vast chunks of property

771
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,359
Speaker 1: with turkeys that aren't you know, they're they're three four

772
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 1: miles in on a road, which is is great. But

773
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: one question I've always had and I haven't really figured

774
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: it out yet, but you know, on on big wide

775
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: open country, um, you know, the turkeys need to go

776
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 1: grab water if the area isn't holding small pockets of water. Um.

777
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 1: Our turkeys here seemed to travel a long ways to

778
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 1: go get you know, to a puddler, to a small creek,

779
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 1: um and get their daily water. Like, what have you found?

780
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: Have you have you had a chance to hunt out

781
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 1: and more of that open country, you know, drier country

782
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 1: where these birds are having to go, you know, a

783
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 1: fairly long distance from roost to to food the water

784
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 1: and how does that kind of a your hunt is

785
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 1: These turkeys aren't just sitting in one spot like they

786
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: were on your property. They're moving, you know, a mile

787
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 1: a day or you know a mile and a half

788
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 1: on their on their routine. You know, I've hunted out

789
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 1: midway our father out like you're talking about up in

790
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: northern Nebraska. I would in in different places where you're

791
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 1: hunting that Merryam turkey. And I assume you're hunting to

792
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 1: Merriyam turkey where Yeah, yeah, we have Merriam's up up

793
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 1: in the northeast corner where I'm hunting Eastern's here. But

794
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 1: when I go out there to hunt Merriam's, I will

795
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 1: say I work. I walk a lot more out there

796
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 1: than I do in Kansas or Arkansas or Missouri. I

797
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:38,800
Speaker 1: do a lot of walking and a lot of calling

798
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 1: and walking, and and those birds travel a lot more

799
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 1: than the eastern turkey does. And uh, but you know

800
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: it's the same way when I go out there and

801
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 1: i'm hunting, I'm looking at a map trying to figure

802
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: out where the creeks are, where the water is, you know,

803
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 1: where where would they be? Is there a cornfield, is

804
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 1: there a farmer it's got a close overfield or our

805
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: fal filfield. I'm using that map to find those turkeys.

806
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:08,800
Speaker 1: And but you're you're right, you know you got to

807
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 1: I hunt Rio's in Texas, South Texas. Every year I

808
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 1: hunt Rio's and they're a lot like a Merriam. I mean,

809
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 1: I could cover teen eleven miles a day. You know,

810
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 1: we my buddy is and I we're watching, tell us

811
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 1: how far we've gone. We may walk eleven miles and

812
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 1: one day chasing Rio's. So you just gotta be ready

813
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 1: to move depending on what type of bird you know

814
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 1: you're hunting. So you've had the same experience where you're

815
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 1: hunting those Merriams or Rio's um that we have in

816
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 1: the northeast corner, you lace your boots up a little

817
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:42,359
Speaker 1: tighter that morning than you know. The Easterns that I

818
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 1: grew up with right here around my home. You know,

819
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 1: they didn't leave you. They had their one little feed spot,

820
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 1: they get their water right next to them, and they

821
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: might not leave that quarter mile circle, you know, for

822
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 1: a month. Um. They're just those Easterns here are locked

823
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 1: down pretty tight. I learned a hard lesson when I

824
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 1: said the first time I was fortunate to go up

825
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 1: in northern Nebraska, to hunt Mariam's and uh, I you know,

826
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 1: I've grew up hunting Eastern turkeys, so I wouldn't used

827
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:11,479
Speaker 1: to do it all that walking. I learned pretty quick.

828
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 1: You better pack some water when you're out hunting, Meriam. Yep,

829
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 1: ye a lot more. Do you think you're gonna need

830
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 1: because you may be five miles from the truck before

831
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 1: you realize it. Yep, yep. Well we we kind of

832
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 1: covered all the questions I had on habitat, But I

833
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 1: have a couple of another question for you, and I'll

834
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,359
Speaker 1: see what answer you give me here. But Randy, if

835
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 1: you could give you know, one or two pieces of

836
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 1: advice to struggling turkey hunters or maybe people that aren't

837
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 1: finding success out there, um to make them more successful?

838
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 1: What would it be just kind of you know, anything

839
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 1: from you know, calling the setups to scouting, you know,

840
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 1: any of that, Like, give give us kind of your

841
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 1: best one or two tips to make you successful. Well,

842
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 1: if I was gonna give two tips, one of them

843
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 1: would be scouting. I mean, you've got to scout to

844
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:09,800
Speaker 1: air your end, you know. And if you're hunting public ground,

845
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 1: you know you're going to be facing competition. There's gonna

846
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 1: be other hunters there, so you gotta get out and scout.

847
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:21,919
Speaker 1: And the other other tip I think would is very important. Um,

848
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 1: you know there's you take us. You know, we got

849
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 1: to know each other and friends with Chris Parish and

850
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 1: a lot of people like that. There's so many chat

851
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 1: rooms on there that talks about turkeys, where to go,

852
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:38,959
Speaker 1: you know, you can get on them all day long,

853
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,760
Speaker 1: and and there's so many hunters get along with hunters,

854
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 1: and they're willing to share. And maybe not up north

855
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 1: where you are, but most of the time down in

856
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,800
Speaker 1: the Midwest and places you know they're they're willing to share.

857
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 1: And and I I've had a buddy here in Arkansas

858
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 1: that has killed a bird in every state that has

859
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 1: a turkey, and he and I have visited about how

860
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: did you do that? And so much of it was

861
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 1: just getting on a site and saying, hey, I'm coming

862
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 1: to Nevada. You know where would I go? I'm trying

863
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 1: to kill a bird in every state? And and he

864
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 1: was helped so much by people, you know, just other

865
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 1: hunters and said, hey, man, you know, come here. I

866
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: think you can get on this public ground and and

867
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 1: go to this certain area and there should be a

868
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 1: turkey in there. So yeah, a lot of a lot

869
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,800
Speaker 1: of people aren't fortunate to have their own public ground

870
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 1: where you walk out there. And and believe me, it

871
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:34,439
Speaker 1: didn't come easy for me. I was fortunate and and

872
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 1: worked hard and and uh and and if if I

873
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: didn't happen to have a farm in Kansas, I'd still

874
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 1: be hunting public ground today in Arkansas. Wouldn't bother me

875
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 1: a bit, you know, because I'm going to hunt, uh

876
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:48,919
Speaker 1: and uh. But I think those are the two things.

877
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,359
Speaker 1: I mean, get out and know other people. Yeah, yeah,

878
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 1: and we you know, I'm gonna add onto the scouting.

879
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 1: I grew up what I I feel is maybe the

880
00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 1: hardest turkey in the world to kill. Where these Eastern

881
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 1: that they planted here in western Washington um very very

882
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 1: low numbers, and that was the battle. Like you couldn't

883
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 1: kill one if you didn't find it. So we would

884
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 1: spend literally, you know, the entire month of March out

885
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 1: locating every morning on the weekends just trying to have

886
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 1: a bird, maybe two if you got really lucky to hunt.

887
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,839
Speaker 1: But and without that scouting, you would have just been,

888
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 1: you know, dead in the water come season. So you know,

889
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 1: figuring out where that bird or birds like to roost,

890
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: you know, kind of where his um you know, a

891
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 1: few spots are he would move a little bit, but

892
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 1: kind of his core area. And then just kind of

893
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 1: pounding that when season came was really your best you know,

894
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 1: bet because if you didn't, like I said, locate that

895
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 1: bird prior to season, um, you were scouting the entire

896
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 1: season and not really hunting. Yeah, And you make a

897
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 1: good point on the scouting part, because you know, even

898
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 1: where I hunt, where there's a lot of turkeys is amazing.

899
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: I think of a couple of times in the last

900
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 1: few years where we'll get up there a couple of

901
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 1: days before Sasan starts and go out there one morning

902
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,720
Speaker 1: and they'll be pretty blue bird day and cold in

903
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 1: in early April, and in one area, Jason, you know,

904
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:10,359
Speaker 1: one morning we might hear twenty to twenty five turkeys. Guy, boy,

905
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,919
Speaker 1: it sounds like in the very next morning, go out

906
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 1: there and you don't hear a sound. And you know,

907
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 1: I swear those turkeys are living in caves. I mean

908
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 1: there's you know, how in the world can you hear

909
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: twenty sitting right here in tomorrow? I didn't hear one,

910
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 1: you know, so I try to scout several places because

911
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 1: I can tell you I'm one of those running gunners.

912
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: If I get out there and a bird doesn't gobble

913
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 1: early in the morning, I'm jumping in the truck going

914
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:40,399
Speaker 1: to another spot. I'm trying to find that turkey. You know. Yeah,

915
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 1: there's a bird out there somewhere, gobbling his head off

916
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:46,879
Speaker 1: somewhere where. So uh yeah, we did the same thing

917
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 1: here in eastern Washington. We'd have a few little pieces

918
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 1: of private we could hunt, but we would save it,

919
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 1: you know for a day or a slow day, like, oh,

920
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 1: public is on fire, we don't need to mess with

921
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,280
Speaker 1: our private birds. And we did a lot of um,

922
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:00,320
Speaker 1: you know, night roosting where we would drive around on

923
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 1: the roads as it got dark, you know, let our

924
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 1: predator calls out, you know, do a bunch of you know,

925
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 1: peacocks whatever, and locating these ding Miriam's. They moved so

926
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 1: much on their own, you knew they weren't really getting bumped,

927
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 1: but they would be you know, a ridge or two

928
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 1: over and you couldn't hear them, or they just decided

929
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 1: to roost in a different spot that night. Um. So

930
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:22,319
Speaker 1: for us kind of piggyback and on scouting. Um, we

931
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 1: did a lot of night locating after our night hunt,

932
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 1: and and then just went and made sure we had

933
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 1: two or three you know, fresh birds to start on

934
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 1: in the morning. And then you know, climbed in close

935
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 1: and sat up under that tree, and that just ensured

936
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:36,240
Speaker 1: that we always have something to go on in the morning.

937
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 1: You're gonna have You're gonna have some live birds, you know,

938
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: somewhere around you versus you know, start in the morning

939
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:44,879
Speaker 1: running and gunning. Um, you know, at least at least

940
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 1: gets you a little bit ahead. Yeah, we do. We

941
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 1: do a lot of scouting, even even on land. We're

942
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 1: from marry With, We're gonna Part of it is we

943
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 1: just want to be outside. I mean, we really enjoy

944
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 1: you know, this is what we live for, you know,

945
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 1: and so we're gonna be out there scouting no matter what. Yeah. Well, uh,

946
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: I really appreciate you taking the time from your busy day.

947
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 1: It's about tax time, so I'm sure you're just getting

948
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 1: about overwhelmed with everything coming in. So I really appreciate

949
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 1: you taking time out of your day Randy and talking

950
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 1: turkey and turkey habitat with us, and uh, I can't

951
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:20,879
Speaker 1: wait for a couple more months for me to get

952
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,840
Speaker 1: to you know, join up with you there in Kansas

953
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:25,839
Speaker 1: and see if we can't do it again. Well, I'm

954
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 1: looking forward to it too, and I know and April there,

955
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 1: you guys will be down there and we'll have a

956
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 1: good time. So I'll make sure we save a few

957
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 1: for you guys. All right, perfect, I appreciate it. Randy,

958
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:38,879
Speaker 1: I don't know if I can get my boy. He's

959
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 1: he's got this weird phobia of ticks, so I don't

960
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 1: know if I can get him out there for the

961
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 1: Kansas opener. I might try to get him through that,

962
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 1: get him through that here in Washington and see if

963
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: he can, you know, get through it, and then we'll

964
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:52,840
Speaker 1: maybe planning for Kansas in the future. On a on

965
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 1: a youth, Hod, I'll tell you you just said, I

966
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 1: sent you a whole box of spray. Make sure you

967
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 1: put it on his clothes, not on his skin, and

968
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 1: he won't have any he won't have any problem with this.

969
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 1: You need to bring your son out to you season.

970
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 1: It would be a lot of fun. I mean, well,

971
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 1: if we uh, you know, even get him in a

972
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 1: in a blind or something on a on a clover

973
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 1: field to just watch Strutter's come across here. He would

974
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 1: have a good time. Yeah, I'd love for you to

975
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 1: bring him out. Nobody understands like the severity of this,

976
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 1: like tick phobia he has though, Um so I just

977
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 1: I figured, like him freaking out in the Washington is

978
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 1: a lot less um of an issue than him freaking

979
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,319
Speaker 1: out in Kansas and the Well, this one we could do,

980
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 1: like said, put him into players. We'll drive him right

981
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:38,399
Speaker 1: to the blind can probably in and get right back

982
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 1: into players. Perfect. Perfect Yeah, um, all right, well thanks Lorandy,

983
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 1: take care and we'll see you in a couple of months.

984
00:47:45,640 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 1: All right, sounds good.