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Speaker 1: This is nick Shot, streaming live on dallascowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: and the official Dallas Cowboys at now. Here are Bill Jones,

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Speaker 1: heckma Harrison, Everson Wolves, and Mickey Spagnola.

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Speaker 2: It is time.

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Speaker 3: For a Wednesday edition of mix Shots. Welcome on in

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Speaker 3: to the SWBC podcast studio. And I mean it is

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Speaker 3: a Wednesday.

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Speaker 4: Edition of.

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Speaker 5: Ever got It?

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Speaker 3: It is spelled winbs Day Wednesday. Here there is supposed

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Speaker 3: to be a Cowboys practice here one hour from now,

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Speaker 3: starts at one o'clock.

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Speaker 5: There is not foball equipment on the football field.

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Speaker 4: Because that's what happened.

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Speaker 5: They're going to be indoors today, that's right.

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Speaker 3: And by the way, as we're walking here here, Bill Jones,

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Speaker 3: Everson Walls, Heck Maharrison, and Mickey Spagnola, Yes, did you

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Speaker 3: know that the next seven games for your Dallas Cowboys

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Speaker 3: will be played indoors? The next time they will play

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Speaker 3: outdoors is Christmas Day day?

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Speaker 5: How about that?

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Speaker 3: And then and so far this season glass half full?

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Speaker 3: They are too oh and one baby when they play indoors.

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Speaker 6: Like that, got a seventy yard field gold in our future.

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Speaker 7: Sounds like that, right you and I was really hoping

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Speaker 7: for a chance for a seventy order in the.

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Speaker 5: I'm sure you were. They were in position.

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Speaker 8: They were getting close at the end of the half.

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Speaker 5: Greed at the half and Baron had it. That's right.

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Speaker 4: I would have done it, just just to show off.

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Speaker 8: That's good on him. That was good underneath coverage by

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Speaker 8: the nickel corner.

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Speaker 5: Baron the first round pick.

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Speaker 3: Yes, you can't get on the field for the Broncos

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Speaker 3: wey ken now because Pat ser Ten.

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Speaker 4: Is hurt the game.

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Speaker 5: Yeah oh yeah, yea and was out for three weeks.

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Speaker 3: They're not putting him on injured reserve, but they're they're

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Speaker 3: taking in probably three weeks older.

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Speaker 5: It was it a pack.

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Speaker 3: Pack shoulders, something like that, washing to the lower leg

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Speaker 3: injury on the in the end zone. But he came

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Speaker 3: back in after missing one play.

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Speaker 6: Right, guys, I think I'm finally over the loss. I

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Speaker 6: took it hard man to the last two days. I've

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Speaker 6: been moping.

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Speaker 8: We could tell.

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Speaker 2: So that was my silent prayer. He took it hard.

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Speaker 6: But after watching the game again, ever since, I came

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Speaker 6: up with a term for our defensive.

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Speaker 7: Coordinator, your defensive coordinator, Defense Cord. Fake it till you

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Speaker 7: make it, fake it till you make it. I can

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Speaker 7: see that, Okay.

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Speaker 6: Man at Kansas State, Percell Gaskins told me that when

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Speaker 6: I couldn't get along with Bill Snyder, he said, fake

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Speaker 6: it till you make it, and I didn't understand it.

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Speaker 2: But at the time I do that here all the time.

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Speaker 4: But it's what.

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Speaker 6: It's one of those things all the time, fake it

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Speaker 6: till you make it. But Maddiebrafluse in this defense, probably

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Speaker 6: next year half of these guys probably won't be on

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Speaker 6: the roster because he's going to be trying to get

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Speaker 6: to switch it up completely because offenses are ripping him apart.

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Speaker 6: What else can he mean now? I mean, you guys

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Speaker 6: have talked about it. You talked about blitzing more. I

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Speaker 6: don't even want to talk about cover one versus Owe.

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Speaker 6: But whatever it is that you're showing, faked, faked whatever

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Speaker 6: of Coordinators right now something, whatever you're doing, they're keyed

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Speaker 6: whatever adjustments you make, they're coming after. So fake it,

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Speaker 6: do something different, show blitz, get back and coverage.

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Speaker 7: I could see that. I like the philosophy. But if

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Speaker 7: your players don't know what the hell you're doing and

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Speaker 7: they don't.

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Speaker 4: See they have to do it to what we call,

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Speaker 4: they have to do it too. You know you can

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Speaker 4: fake it. All you want is.

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Speaker 5: Can you know that at Chicago listen.

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Speaker 4: Nothing is working? Okay?

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Speaker 2: Can we all agree that nothing is working if.

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Speaker 3: We go to if okay, and then if in Mickey

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Speaker 3: in a different life, he grew up in Chicago. Let's

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Speaker 3: say he never got out of Chicago and there was

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Speaker 3: a mixed shots on Chicago Bears website. Okay, in twenty

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Speaker 3: covering Maddy Refluces Chicago Bears. Yes, and they would have

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Speaker 3: had these same conversations all season long. And what was

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Speaker 3: a three and fourteen season. They had the thirty second

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Speaker 3: defense in the league his first year there in terms

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Speaker 3: of points allowed, okay, and they were like thirty second

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Speaker 3: to fake it until he made it. Well, he made

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Speaker 3: it the next year because the next year they had

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Speaker 3: the number one run defense in the league. It went

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Speaker 3: from worse to first as far as run defense, because

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Speaker 3: we know how they get. The rest of it turned out.

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Speaker 4: You make here.

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Speaker 8: But can you can you fake talent?

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Speaker 4: No, you can't. And that's it.

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Speaker 6: And that's an argument that you got to have with

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Speaker 6: the guys upstairs because they're the ones that Sam Williams

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Speaker 6: round draft pick. That's that's an argument for somebody else

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Speaker 6: be because you're you have what you have and there

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Speaker 6: isn't going to be a miracle trade that comes in

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Speaker 6: here that changes this around. Even if you had, even

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Speaker 6: if Michael was still on this team, you'd probably still

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Speaker 6: be in the same sight.

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Speaker 8: He ain't helping the past word, I mean the run defense,

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Speaker 8: whatever it is, and you're probably still in the same

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Speaker 7: Bags was saying, you know, can you fake talent? Well,

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Speaker 7: that's why we're fake it because we have no talent.

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Speaker 7: So I'm not I'm saying secondary wise, although you know

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Speaker 7: what seven back seven, the back seven Larry.

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Speaker 8: Larry was Lacewell taught me one thing. He said, you know,

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Speaker 8: I'm a defensive guy, and he goes, I can screw

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Speaker 8: around with talent or whatever my personnel and try to

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Speaker 8: confuse somebody. He goes, but what you can't confus, what

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Speaker 8: you can't fake is offense. If you don't have a quarterback,

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Speaker 8: right right, you've got to have a quarterback, you can't

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Speaker 8: fake offense those defense And he was saying, well, I'm

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Speaker 6: Mean disguise it something due, Yeah, disguise it.

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Speaker 3: Hey, the Cowboys this year right now, someone someone turned

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Speaker 5: Now after last week.

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Speaker 2: I was because we're thirty first, we're thirty first. We

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Speaker 8: Is it the Bengals Tennessee?

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Speaker 9: They may have been, but bringing it up, somebody c Yeah,

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Speaker 9: we went from thirty second to thirty first.

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Speaker 5: You know what, we you know what?

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Speaker 8: Hell damn we gave us more than twenty yards all right?

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Speaker 3: Who is the thirty second worst scoring defense in the

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Speaker 4: Who was that?

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Speaker 3: The Cowboys? It's the exact same defense this year is

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Speaker 3: last year?

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Speaker 2: You got it at the midway. You have to do something.

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Speaker 5: That was Michah was on the team last year.

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Speaker 6: Right and something and here's what out, here's whatout I'm saying,

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Speaker 6: and we talked about yesterday, in fact said it last week.

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Speaker 6: Let's just be as aggressive as we can be, because sitting.

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Speaker 4: Back is not working, that's faking.

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Speaker 7: Be aggressive and try and force them into making some mistakes.

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Speaker 7: We're gonna be playing some good teams and they're going

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Speaker 7: to overcome now the floors. But I would still rather

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Speaker 7: put pressure on them to make a play as opposed

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Speaker 7: to giving them all the time in the world to

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Speaker 7: make a play, because we haven't had any pressure.

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Speaker 4: We got it. We live off our front.

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Speaker 7: We live off our front, and no matter what's going

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Speaker 7: if you put pressure on someone up front and you're

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Speaker 4: We haven't done it with all fours. I would be

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Speaker 7: I would be gained for that to happen, because that

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Speaker 7: I want them to have their choice, right, They're gonna

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Speaker 4: That gives them all the time in the world.

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Speaker 8: He's trying to do it like logically educatedly. Yeah, yeah, right,

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Speaker 8: I'm going to figure this out right, And you're right,

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Speaker 8: just you know, put your back to the wind, whatever

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Speaker 7: This is no time to be lackadays. Ago, it's no

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Speaker 7: time to be conservative. Yeah, And that's the kind of

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Speaker 6: We gotta and you gotta move and you gotta move

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Speaker 6: gotta change some things, whether it's a talent thing or not.

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Speaker 6: And if I'm even flu so, I'm walking by Will

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Speaker 6: mcclay's office every day saying, have you.

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Speaker 2: Heard anything yet? Do you got anything yet?

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Speaker 6: If you watch it, anybody come back to anybody, because

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Speaker 6: the guys in the secondary, I think as far as

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Speaker 6: that you could play this up, whether it's being aggressive

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Speaker 6: or not, that you are scheming for the offense to say,

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Speaker 6: I am presenting pressure at the line of scrimmage and

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Speaker 6: I'm making you rethink what you're about to do right,

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Speaker 6: and teams are not doing that. They're just going, oh,

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Speaker 6: y'all go stay in cover too.

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Speaker 4: Well, no, no, no.

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Speaker 7: There's a realization all the play is going on. That's

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Speaker 7: what I'm saying. You're back in the back guard. You

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Speaker 7: still have time to contemplate. I don't want to give

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Speaker 4: There's no pressure.

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Speaker 8: But how do you think Bridges gets beat? He's in man,

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Speaker 8: can't cover, so zone can at least do the zone right.

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Speaker 8: Most of the times they got beat, they were in man.

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Speaker 2: Do you so? What do you?

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Speaker 8: What do you do?

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Speaker 4: So?

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Speaker 6: My question, my question is, and this is just across

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Speaker 8: Well, he played man?

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: I'm saying, I'm saying he success.

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Speaker 2: Do you think he's capable of It's a rookie. I

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Speaker 4: I got it. But he's But what he said, will

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Speaker 4: he get better?

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Speaker 8: Well, that's what they're kind of counting.

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Speaker 4: That's what he's said.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, And so I have a problem with saying that Okay,

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Speaker 6: a guy can't play man or a guy can't play zone.

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Speaker 6: And we've already had the conversation with guys have played

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Speaker 2: Nothing changes about that. You may be in a different arena.

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Speaker 7: And I think he's, like I said, he doesn't trust

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Speaker 8: He's doing the logical thing, no doubt, right, no doubt.

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Speaker 3: And then when you don't have your safeties out there

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Speaker 4: Even if with the zone, you can get confused.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, because then someone's matching up and someone's playing zone.

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Speaker 4: Then you got these big holes here.

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Speaker 5: We saw it.

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Speaker 3: We saw it in the playoff game against the Packers

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Speaker 8: And he hadn't exactly figured it out in Washington this year, Right.

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Speaker 4: That's it.

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Speaker 6: That is that is eyebrow raising that dan Quinn's defense

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Speaker 4: How do you fix how do you fix that?

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Speaker 6: How can this happen to a defensive guru? A guy

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Speaker 2: You're not gonna make me believe while.

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Speaker 8: You you at least have your starters out now.

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Speaker 6: Everybody's not playing with their starters for seventeen games.

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Speaker 8: Mixed many in the same place.

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Speaker 4: Y'all were talking about Baltimore when we're talking.

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Speaker 8: Okay, so then what's your logical answer why Quinn's not

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Speaker 7: I mean, we think we could go down the line

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Speaker 7: they're in freaking first place.

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Speaker 3: Right, and they got injury issues and they have major quarterback.

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Speaker 3: Well on defense, they lost Nick Bosa, that they lost

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Speaker 7: Well, there's a fan and he's got he's loving it

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Speaker 5: Saying, well, they didn't win, they didn't beat Houston, they.

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Speaker 5: They're in third place. Now, well they're they're five and three.

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Speaker 7: Five and three, right, that's a damn good record, right

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Speaker 4: On defense, that's right, Yeah, come on now, come on there.

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Speaker 5: But they are in the same boat.

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Speaker 3: Fred Warner's hurt, he's out, that's right, he's out, Boss out.

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Speaker 4: Man Bosa's out. All right.

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Speaker 3: They're in the same boat the Cowboys are. And this

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Speaker 3: And it was one of the same deal that we

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Speaker 5: Okay, And here here's.

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Speaker 3: A Patriots team that's in first place, they're ahead of

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Speaker 5: Gardner Johnt did he go there? I think CJ.

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Speaker 3: Gardner Johns signed him first, yeut they signed Cleland Ferrell,

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Speaker 3: Kyle doug The Patriots traded Kyle dugger as well yesterday,

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Speaker 2: Okay, are saying that this guy is the same player

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Speaker 5: We already exactly.

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Speaker 3: Let's coach our own guys up and for now anyway,

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Speaker 8: Well, and I can't use these guys' name. So one

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Speaker 8: default ends, linebackers, corners. I've picked out five guys, right,

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Speaker 8: what nine games? You're not going to do it. So

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Speaker 5: So and by the way, Kyle Dugger went to the Steelers. CJ.

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Speaker 3: Gardner Johnson signed with the Bears, who has a history

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Speaker 8: Got and hopefully guys that get healthy, right and maybe

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Speaker 3: That's what Jerry said after the game, that he's waiting

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Speaker 7: You know, right now he's not doing well. But the

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Speaker 4: I saw better.

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Speaker 7: I saw a guy that was a little bit more

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Speaker 7: When I saw in Denver, that's not the same person.

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Speaker 7: As young as he is, he's not that that's not

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Speaker 7: I recall being young, I was more optimistic than pessimistic

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Speaker 8: Who was rookie wide receiver. That's what I'm saying, my

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Speaker 4: I understand that.

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Speaker 7: that's why I was disappointed in he didn't progress. You know,

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Speaker 8: Chances are he's going to get another another shot.

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Speaker 6: What was your what was your welcome to the NFL

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Speaker 4: Who did you go up?

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Speaker 2: Excuse me what?

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Speaker 4: Iago I'll trying to say. Chicago would have to be

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Speaker 7: It was the first San Francisco game that was not

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Speaker 7: Everybody had a bad game. And I remember when we

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Speaker 4: They were talking.

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Speaker 7: Trash about me. You boy, Wallace finally got it handed

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Speaker 7: to him today. That was like game seven, I believe,

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Speaker 7: it wasn't just you, No, was forty two to to

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Speaker 6: First moment, But you had games before that where you

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Speaker 5: Yeah, eleven picks his rookie year.

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Speaker 3: The NFL moment was after he had eleven interceaptions so

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Speaker 6: Right, So I think I think so, I think I'm

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Speaker 2: He's having to adjust.

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Speaker 6: And I think those growing says, we see them play

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Speaker 2: That's expectation. That's expectations.

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Speaker 8: It was eighty one, So it was eighty one, got

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and the only good playtime the next game of

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Speaker 7: And so you were starting, Oh yeah, by that time

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Speaker 3: First start was your fourth game, right or fifth fifth game,

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Speaker 7: The league leading the league, leading the league as a

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Speaker 4: They were trying to they were doing.

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Speaker 2: Yes, they were trying to pick on them.

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Speaker 3: Well, they picked on the Washington was shocked because we

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Speaker 3: it was like wait, like man, he looked taller, Wait

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 5: Okay, and so that's why he's playing.

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Speaker 3: And then they had film on him, and so Sean

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Speaker 3: Detroit Lions made news this morning. Aiden Hutchison. Aiden Hutchinson

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Speaker 3: has a new four year, one hundred eighty million dollar

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Speaker 3: county but it's announced anyway, one hundred and forty one

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Speaker 3: million guaranteed.

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Speaker 8: But he had this year and next year still.

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Speaker 4: On the books. How does that so?

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Speaker 3: Next twenty two draft pick so so, twenty six twenty option.

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Speaker 6: That's so so he still has to play through that

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Speaker 6: before he gets the money or they include the now.

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Speaker 8: They would kicking it'll kick, it'll no, it'll be nineteen

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Speaker 8: million next year for the fifty year option and then

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Speaker 8: the extension signs starts. He's going to be under contract

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Speaker 8: till twenty thirty. There was still this year and next

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Speaker 8: year on his contract deal.

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Speaker 2: So you get your cash signing bonus all of that.

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Speaker 8: See what they can do now is they can they

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Speaker 8: can pro rate the signing bonus over five years even

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Speaker 8: though it's a four year extension. So that's where it

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Speaker 8: helps him out. So, yeah, he gets his signing bonus now.

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Speaker 3: Right because they picked up his fifth year option obviously

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Speaker 3: up already, which they had to do in the spring,

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Speaker 3: which is guaranteed.

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Speaker 6: Where does that rank him amongst the highest paid defensive ends?

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Speaker 8: The extension or the total package? The extension makes him

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Speaker 8: second to Micah because the extension comes out.

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Speaker 3: To Micah's was an it's listed on over the cap

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Speaker 3: as a four year, one hundred and eighty six million

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Speaker 3: dollar extension.

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Speaker 8: And his ends up forty six point five. This one

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Speaker 8: ends up forty five, four years, one eighty. Yeah, but

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Speaker 8: the guaranteed money was more for Hutchinson forty one to one.

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Speaker 4: Did that make you mad? On it?

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Speaker 2: So it's like forty five million dollars.

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Speaker 7: I mean, you know, a whole bunch of people will

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Speaker 7: be mad about the money they make. But once again,

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Speaker 7: as a you and you wrap this what I thought

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Speaker 7: for Yeah, the ability for these guys to make this money.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you know, you.

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Speaker 7: Got guys probably jealous of the little money I made

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Speaker 7: back in the in the eighties. You know, guys that

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Speaker 7: did major work mail Renfew and all those guys. I

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Speaker 7: hope they wasn't pissed off of me for making money,

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Speaker 7: because I can't be upset.

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Speaker 4: About these guys making money. That's how much did you make?

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Speaker 3: Oh man, how much did you make in nineteen eighty

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Speaker 3: one when you had eleven picks your rookie year?

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Speaker 4: Thirty thousand? What?

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Speaker 3: How much thirty thousand dollars?

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Speaker 6: Wait a minute minute, ever, you made one? You made

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Speaker 6: thirty not including the signing bonus. What was the signing bones?

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Speaker 4: Fifteen hundred bucks?

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Speaker 8: So we both made this.

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Speaker 5: You know how much I made in nineteen eighty one?

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Speaker 8: Both made the same amount of money.

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Speaker 7: Come on, Mickey fifty Wait wait about fifteen?

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Speaker 5: So Mickey, where were you working at A.

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Speaker 2: Ninety?

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Speaker 5: So listen to this, Mickey eighty one?

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Speaker 8: You were working where I just was split. It was

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Speaker 8: my first year in Jackson, mississ So.

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Speaker 3: He was working at a newspaper in Jackson, Mississippi in

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Speaker 3: nineteen eighty one making.

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Speaker 8: How much we were about making the same.

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Speaker 3: Thirty thousand dollars and he was intercepting eleven passes in

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Speaker 3: the NFL fifteen put me.

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Speaker 8: On the top and physically I wasn't getting beat up.

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Speaker 4: So that was in high school.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, not to make me play, I hear you.

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Speaker 7: Wow, Oh yeah. I mean you can't be. You really

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Speaker 7: can't be. And I'm not trying to know you. Really,

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Speaker 7: this is what you want. You want the players to

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Speaker 7: be able to I don't want them to go through

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Speaker 7: none of that crap I had to go through. And

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Speaker 7: that's why I'm kind of, you know, empathetic with micaeh

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Speaker 7: or any player. It's not just him, but you know, man,

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Speaker 7: they were just screwing us back then. Is horrible, and

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Speaker 7: so for I can't get mad at any player, hook

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Speaker 7: or Cook getting the money that he's getting because the

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Speaker 7: owners will not pay anyone.

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Speaker 4: That they can afford to. Period.

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Speaker 7: They're making money, they're doing well with themselves, the players.

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Speaker 3: That's your trickle down to the players. It's all good, Okay,

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Speaker 3: how about this. Six months ago Miles Garrett signed his

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Speaker 3: contract extension four years, one hundred and sixty million.

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Speaker 5: Everybody was like, ooh, and I think he should have

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Speaker 5: waited six months.

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Speaker 4: He should have waited.

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Speaker 6: That is one brother that is mad at him, saying nobody.

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Speaker 6: Nobody is mad at themselves. Every morning they wake up

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Speaker 6: their Miles Garrett, who can be made?

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Speaker 3: He got for five acts or something, five sacks On

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Speaker 3: and Steelman against New England.

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Speaker 8: Think about this, So Hutchinson's going to be under contract

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Speaker 8: till twenty thirty. You think in twenty thirty he's going

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Speaker 8: to be the second highest paid defense He's going to

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Speaker 8: be sitting there going.

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Speaker 5: Oh, he'll have another extension.

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Speaker 8: What did I What did I do? I'm holding out

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Speaker 8: rookies making all this money. It's my old pet summer

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Speaker 8: all story I.

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Speaker 4: Told you about.

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Speaker 8: We all came around too soon.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know that's right.

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Speaker 8: But it's almost like you being a parent, because you

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Speaker 8: want your kids to make more money than you did, right, right?

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Speaker 4: How you raise you want them to do?

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Speaker 7: If I didn't do my job as a union rap,

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Speaker 7: if these guys aren't making the money they're making right now.

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Speaker 3: Yep, absolutely well liked you mentioned Pet Summer all the

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Speaker 3: greatest of all time, because it's time for the greatest

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Speaker 3: of all time.

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Speaker 4: Oos. Your goal.

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Speaker 5: Are all Bill Jones.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, So I am a I am an eleventh round

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Speaker 6: pick out of southern California.

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Speaker 8: Like.

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Speaker 6: Drafted by the Dallas Cowboys. I played in the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 6: Even played with this man right here to my left.

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Speaker 6: He just mentioned him. I am Dennis Thurman. Is still preliminary, guys,

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Speaker 6: all right, So I am a first round draft pick

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Speaker 6: out of Texas and m oh yeah, played in several

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Speaker 6: Super Bowls. I am Kevin Smith. Guys, who's your goat?

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Speaker 6: Dennis Thurman A pup. That's a tough one. It may

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Speaker 6: not be tough for everybody, I guess. Come on, Bill,

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Speaker 6: Bill's over there.

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Speaker 5: I gotta look at the so Bill you have lived I.

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Speaker 7: Know you lived, especially Kevin Smith, you lived it well

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Speaker 7: right there.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: Is it Dennis Thurman the cornerback or Dennis Thurman?

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Speaker 6: He did play both. He did play both, and that

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Speaker 6: is a great point. And I'm going to stay with

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Speaker 6: Dennis Thurman, the cornerback, not the safety. Okay, I'm excuse me,

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Speaker 6: the cornerback, not the safety.

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Speaker 4: There it is.

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Speaker 3: So Dennis Thurman played nine years in the NFL eight

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Speaker 3: and this is just their time with the Cowboys. Thurman

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Speaker 3: finished up his career in Saint Louis in nineteen eighty six.

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Speaker 3: So from seventy eight through eighty five with the Cowboys,

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Speaker 3: eight seasons, one hundred and twenty one games, sixty two starts,

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Speaker 3: he had thirty six interceptions and four pick sixes.

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Speaker 4: Are they including playoffs?

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Speaker 3: That's that's regular season playoffs.

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Speaker 4: He got one in the playoffs against the Bank.

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Speaker 3: He did have one in the playoffs as well. Had

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Speaker 3: seven picks in the playoffs and one pick six.

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Speaker 5: What was the number again on the.

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Speaker 3: Regular season on the number of interceptions, thirty four, So

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Speaker 3: that's forty one interceptions and five pick sixes. All right,

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Speaker 3: discussing this Thurmon for just a second, Will I go

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Speaker 3: find Kevin Smith.

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Speaker 7: And see, I'm I'm biased, you know, I'm gonna sure,

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Speaker 7: I'm gonna go And.

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Speaker 8: I never saw him play cornerback?

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Speaker 4: Well he had I mean personally, yeah, eighty one. I

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Speaker 4: had eleven.

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Speaker 7: He had he had nine, I believe, and uh, that

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Speaker 7: was his first time playing cornerback.

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Speaker 4: We switched him over there. Well, I had just got

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Speaker 4: in there as.

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Speaker 7: Well, just by necessity, because we had one hundred and

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Speaker 7: twenty five you know, rookies coming in.

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Speaker 4: They needed some dbs. We had twenty five rookie dbs.

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Speaker 7: Alone, and come on, you're thinking about we had Aaron Kyle,

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Speaker 7: we had Aaron Mitchell, and those guys weren't doing well.

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Speaker 4: That's why they brought us all in.

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Speaker 7: And so just by necessity, because of his intellect, Tom

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Speaker 7: Langer trusted Dennis Sterman as much as anybody in Cowboy's history.

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Speaker 7: We had two guys on the team with Tom Lager

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Speaker 7: trust as Charlie Waters and Dennis Duboy. And so he

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Speaker 7: moved Dennis over to safety because he felt that I'm

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Speaker 7: started moving in the corner from safety because he felt

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Speaker 7: that with his experience and his knowledge that he would

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Speaker 7: be able to maintain over there. And he ended up

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Speaker 7: not just getting those nine picks, if I'm not mistaken,

668
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Speaker 7: in the regular season, but in the playoffs. Man, he

669
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Speaker 7: turned it up, well, he turned it up and he

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Speaker 7: got that pick six.

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Speaker 8: This has pup has to have an asterisk because this

672
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 8: was damn good his first three years before he tore

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Speaker 8: his achilles.

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Speaker 3: First game of the season in nineteen ninety five, right

675
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Speaker 3: back New York.

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Speaker 4: He only had three years before the.

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Speaker 8: Nine two three ninety four, and he was damn good.

678
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Speaker 3: He had nine ten interceptions his first three game, three

679
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Speaker 3: years in one.

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00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 4: But that wasn't interceptions.

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00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 7: It wasn't his thing, right, He covered, He covered better

682
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Speaker 7: than Thurman.

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00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 4: Yes, but Thurman, uh, he knew. You know.

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Speaker 7: Theurmo's thing was, you know, let's play chess. You know

685
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 7: you're gonna get I have no speed, this is my

686
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 7: first time. So Thurnman always played it safe. But he

687
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 7: was calculating and so come at me too much, too much.

688
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 7: He set the trap for that's how he's able to

689
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 7: get those nine picks and then into the playoffs. Then

690
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 7: he brought it up another step, so he had I

691
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Speaker 7: think at corner. He still didn't have no more than

692
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Speaker 7: four years at corner himself.

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00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:41,959
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, because.

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Speaker 8: Then play like three years after this.

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Speaker 3: He played through the ninety nine well as a ninety

696
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Speaker 3: nine season, half the season in ninety nine eight starts.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think I'll give it to Dennis because that

698
00:34:58,400 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 7: was not his position.

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Speaker 8: Dennis thermoan, Yeah, that was all right, and it's an asterisk.

700
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 8: I think Pup was a better cover guy. He just

701
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 8: didn't have the interceptions and then he got hurt.

702
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 4: You got to pick one.

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00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 8: So you're comparing what nine years to three and that corner. Yeah,

704
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Speaker 8: I know he played, but he wasn't the same cornerback

705
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 8: in my eyes.

706
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 7: Well, and but now Dennis Thurman didn't play corner but

707
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 7: about three or four years himself.

708
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 8: Right, and then he played safety.

709
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,720
Speaker 7: Yeah, but when not counting safety, he said, we're counting

710
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 7: the corner. That's what he said, right, County, that corner.

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Speaker 5: So Bill, who you got, I'm going with pup? You

712
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Speaker 5: go the corner factor.

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Speaker 2: Dennis Thermo got pup.

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Speaker 8: You can pop cover coverability, coverability?

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Speaker 4: All right, guys, So there's a goat to add.

716
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 5: Put Dennis thurmant in the safety you know.

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00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 8: Yeah, Dennis Thurman or Darren Woodson.

718
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:57,839
Speaker 4: Oh all right, hey, here's that.

719
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Speaker 5: Here's one who played corner in safety.

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Speaker 6: Excuse me, guys, excuse me, guys. This is my game. Guys,

721
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,399
Speaker 6: agreed to play. You played the game.

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Speaker 2: Come on now, don't do that switch it. I got

723
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 2: plenty more. No know, who do you have? Oh I

724
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 2: can't play chack.

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Speaker 4: I'll tell you.

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Speaker 2: That's the deal. Here's the deal.

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Speaker 5: A perfect opportunity.

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Speaker 6: You will You know how old I was in seventy eight,

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Speaker 6: You do you understand you I'm going back if I'm

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Speaker 6: gonna say, I'm gonna say pump all day, because I'm

731
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Speaker 6: gonna say pump all day now, I'm never and I'm

732
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Speaker 6: never gonna say anything different. And no disrespect to Dennis

733
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 6: Thurman in his career. I know he was great. So

734
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Speaker 6: that's biased because these.

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Speaker 7: Guys are older and they still pick Pump and they

736
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,399
Speaker 7: because they saw both of them play and they still

737
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:50,879
Speaker 7: pick pup.

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Speaker 2: Wait where you do that?

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Speaker 4: There it goes out the window.

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Speaker 3: Miracle of the trade deadline, And there's your miracle, Perry

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Speaker 3: and winding free.

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Speaker 8: And maybe I wonder if they have confidence in Kaylin.

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Speaker 8: Carson too wants to see him. He just played special

793
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Speaker 8: teams last week.

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00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 4: Everybody wants to see him.

795
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 8: So maybe maybe he's in the equation at cornerback.

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Speaker 3: Also, Okay, door number one, Dak needs help. Door number

797
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Speaker 3: two discipline issues or door number three trade deadline reality check?

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Speaker 5: Which will it be?

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Speaker 4: I think we talked about the trade three.

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Speaker 6: We hit the trade deadline reality check segment two.

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Speaker 4: I wanted to I want to talk.

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Speaker 3: About discipline issues, discipline, discipline, discipline when they're.

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Speaker 8: Not behaving, apparently not, here's my thing.

804
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 7: They're not and we already got issues, all right, We

805
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 7: already nothing's working. We don't need to compound everything with

806
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 7: the injuries, with the penalties. You guys talked about Houston yesterday,

807
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 7: Bone had played that he made. We had so many

808
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 7: penalties where we shot ourselves in the foot, put ourselves

809
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 7: in predictable bad situations by doing that. I don't Houston's

810
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 7: play aside those other penalties.

811
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 4: Is it something that the coach needs to be aware of?

812
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 4: I think so.

813
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 7: I think if you're going to go into games with

814
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 7: this type of deficit on the defensive side, you can't

815
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 7: compound your problems with penalties. And we started off this

816
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 7: season in a different way. We didn't have that many

817
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 7: penalties starting off early in the year, and that helped us,

818
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,839
Speaker 7: you know, stay above ground and now here we are

819
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 7: all of a sudden. We're starting to shoot ourselves in

820
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 7: the foot. I'm not if I'm not mistaken. We had

821
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 7: some bad penalties two weeks ago as well that we

822
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 7: shouldn't have had. So the discipline part of it, to me,

823
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 7: that's where the coaching has got to come in.

824
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 4: I don't care if you don't know what the hell

825
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 4: you're doing.

826
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 7: Busted planes is one thing, but penalties a whole other thing.

827
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 8: I can't find I documented every penalty.

828
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:16,280
Speaker 2: There's nine for eighty.

829
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 8: Uh there was, there was, I want to say, two

830
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 8: false starts. But why do you have a false start?

831
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 4: Crowd noise?

832
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 8: Are you worried about the guy in front of you?

833
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 4: Oh, no, doubt about kicking your button.

834
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 8: Trying to get a head start? Pass interference? Why do

835
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 8: you get past interference?

836
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 4: You get beat?

837
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 8: Okay, so is that discipline or you know you're getting

838
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 8: beat holding in the secondary.

839
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 2: Same thing.

840
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:47,359
Speaker 8: Now, the ones that are that aren't are inexcusable or

841
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 8: illegal motion like you're not set right, or you covered

842
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 8: up the tight end when you win in motion, And

843
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 8: they had a couple of those two those ones.

844
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 7: I got pushed back. I got pushed back on the

845
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,839
Speaker 7: false start. You gotta hold your water. Yeah, I got

846
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 7: to hold it.

847
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:04,839
Speaker 4: You got This is when I.

848
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 8: Really but when you know, I got to go because

849
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 8: this guy's gonna get a step right and you can't

850
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 8: have your head over the line of scrimmage right, Yeah,

851
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 8: and you get caught in the neutral zone. So there's

852
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 8: three or four of them, Yeah, bad. But the other ones,

853
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 8: when you're getting beat, that's what your reaction is past interference.

854
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 2: Now the one on.

855
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 8: Was it Clark that stumbled and they kind of tumbled

856
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 8: into the guy on that deep pass? He was beat

857
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 8: and he was trying to catch up.

858
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:41,839
Speaker 7: And now that's what Dennis Thurman, as we've talked about

859
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 7: it was always cognizant though and myself as well, because

860
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 7: of your lack of speed or whatever the reason is,

861
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:54,439
Speaker 7: you need to be conscious of your limitations. So, hey,

862
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 7: Dennis thirty, he worked his way from he worked his

863
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,320
Speaker 7: way up into the coverage. Even though we were playing

864
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:01,359
Speaker 7: man to man, he would play off and he would

865
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:04,240
Speaker 7: play it a little bit safer because the deep route

866
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 7: you can't overcome.

867
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 4: You can overcome a guy running a fifteen yard out.

868
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:10,839
Speaker 7: Hey, we can go make the tackle and we line

869
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 7: up again up and so you have to know what

870
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 7: your what your priorities are.

871
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 4: As a defensive back.

872
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 7: You can't jump a route that you when you know

873
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 7: that you're going to be you're going to be susceptible

874
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 7: to getting bedps.

875
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 8: So how did he do his ricky year when he

876
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 8: hadn't played in a game?

877
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 4: Who is that? Dennis Thurmo have no idea he was

878
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 4: playing safety that.

879
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 8: I'm talking about Clark?

880
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, well no, no.

881
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 7: Once again, as a player, you gotta know what the

882
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 7: worst case scenario is, so that sometimes you got to

883
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 7: think on your own.

884
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 4: You don't have coaches tell you that. You have to.

885
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 4: You have to know what your priorities are when you're.

886
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:52,840
Speaker 7: Playing man to man because your mistake can be fatal.

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00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 8: Well, he's in zone, but he didn't get.

888
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 7: There, still can't get he still can't zone. You can't

889
00:44:59,320 --> 00:44:59,879
Speaker 7: let him behind.

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Speaker 4: I know. So that's even more of a no brain.

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Speaker 8: But you got to figure that out at some point

892
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 8: in your career. Well, I don't know how much safety

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00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 8: he played in college.

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Speaker 7: Well listen, I don't care when he played it. You're

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Speaker 7: supposed to be deeper than him.

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Speaker 8: I got you, That got you.

897
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Speaker 7: So let's start there and then we can work on

898
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Speaker 7: mistakes from there. But Here's what I'm saying is bad.

899
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 7: If you have a priority in mind, it helps you

900
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 7: doing the play. You think it through doing the play.

901
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 7: It's like dad, are going into a computer. It's constantly working.

902
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:36,760
Speaker 7: So you start off with this knowledge, you know, knowing that, okay,

903
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 7: I have to stay back, nothing gets behind me. Then

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Speaker 7: you work your way up from there. As far as

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00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,240
Speaker 7: priority is concerned doing that play.

906
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 8: And you're speaking from experience.

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00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 4: Well, I've learned that as a rookie.

908
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 8: You're learning in high school or college, I played safety.

909
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 8: Nobody got to see you, but you were special.

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00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 6: Oh my god, are you serious?

911
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 4: Yo?

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00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:02,919
Speaker 8: Man?

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00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:04,240
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

914
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Speaker 7: Brow He thought I was gonna say, oh yeah you.

915
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 5: No, no, no, you had talent.

916
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Speaker 4: No no, no, not the point.

917
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 8: You weren't on the practice. You weren't the practice.

918
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Speaker 7: But now that's that's it does help though, to have

919
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 7: that priority in mind. You know, it's like a like

920
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 7: a any play. If you're a linebacker, hey man, you

921
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 7: gotta feel that hole. I remember do I C and

922
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:41,800
Speaker 7: Pepper Johnson playing against in that three four. The first

923
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 7: thing they said was you have to burst that bubble.

924
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 7: The first thing you should do. Don't let the guards.

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00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 6: Get out on you. You attack those guards. That's why

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00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:52,439
Speaker 6: we're so good against the one.

927
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 4: I saw them.

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00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 7: I saw them get punk some guys, do I see

929
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 7: and Pepper Johnson, I saw them punk some guys, but

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Speaker 7: they knew what their priority was. Wasn't athletically talented, but

931
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Speaker 7: he sure could bust that bubble.

932
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Speaker 4: You know.

933
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Speaker 8: That catcher from Toronto. He looks like he was in

934
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 8: the Beer League.

935
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:19,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, k that's his name. That's his name, Kirk.

936
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Speaker 8: And he hits home run, yes he does.

937
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,320
Speaker 4: He's a stubby little guy and he stop in shape.

938
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:28,879
Speaker 8: I said, that's beer League.

939
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Speaker 7: But he can knock it out. And that's what Day

940
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 7: was good at, bushing the bubble. So you you have

941
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 7: to have a priority. You know, we were given a priority.

942
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 7: The linebackers were in New York, and this needs to

943
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 7: be the same thing the second day. Even if we

944
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 7: have to lay off for a minute, Guys, don't get

945
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 7: be deep. You can't overcome that. We can walk our

946
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Speaker 7: way up from there. Give me another chance. Let's line

947
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 7: it up. Then let's see if we can make some play.

948
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Speaker 8: All right, we'll see what happens this Monday night, and

949
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Speaker 8: if he learned his lessons, we leave.

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Speaker 3: You on This note from Brian Schottneimer's press conference. Safeties

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Speaker 3: Donovan Wilson and Janie Thomas are trending positively. Don't expect

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Speaker 3: them to practice today, of course, there's an extra day

953
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Speaker 3: of practice this week. And Cowboys head coach Brian Schottneimer.

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Speaker 3: This is from Joe Hoyt. Cowboys head coach Brian Schottneimer said,

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00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 3: they want to win. That's the only goal. As as

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00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 3: for how good his offense has been. Quote, you can

957
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 3: take those offensive stats and shove it up your leap.

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Speaker 5: We want to win. He said that. That's from his

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Speaker 5: press conference.

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Speaker 2: Love it, I love it.

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Speaker 4: I love it? All right? That does it?

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Speaker 7: Hey, hold up, don't play to his ego. Don't be

963
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 7: talking about how good his offense is. I'll he don't

964
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Speaker 7: want to hear, just like I didn't want to hear.

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Speaker 4: That from Spags. Don't even try it. That's not how

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Speaker 4: it goes.

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Speaker 3: Okay, all right, how about we do it again tomorrow

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Speaker 3: at high noon.

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00:48:59,120 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 4: Go Cowboys.

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