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Speaker 1: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to

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Speaker 1: And them and Tie de Ever Esteam Welcome back from

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Speaker 1: a huge freaking sports weekend.

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Speaker 3: Man who it was large? It was large. Not a

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Speaker 3: great one for the Dodgers.

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Speaker 1: I don't recall sixteen nothing lost to the Cubbies. So

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Speaker 1: I was hearing it from some family members. Here we

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Speaker 1: got Rory rockin, We've got Nico no longer at Tennessee. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we'll get there. We'll get what happened in Monte Carlo.

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Speaker 1: Is that thing still going on?

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Speaker 3: Alcaz One? And now we're into Barcelona.

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Speaker 1: And Hamburg, I believe on the the European spring clay swing. Beautiful. Well,

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Speaker 1: welcome back in one and all. Uh yeah, we've got

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Speaker 1: a lot to talk about. There is some breaking news.

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Speaker 1: I'll play the sound here momentarily.

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Speaker 4: We're also gonna have John Kerr it's on the show,

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Speaker 4: first time on the show, to talk about k State

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Speaker 4: really the Big twelve as a whole. John does a

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Speaker 4: great job out on his YouTube channel, and in his newsletter,

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Speaker 4: really everywhere you can find his content, not just talking

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Speaker 1: I like that, Like whatever your kink is, we'd love

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Speaker 4: Yeah, verballers dot com is Patreon if you want to

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Speaker 4: add for episodes, bonus stuff, and the works. We should

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Speaker 4: get into this news though, Dan, Yes, it is breaking news.

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Speaker 3: Boo, Yeah it is. Man.

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Speaker 4: I wasn't sure if I wanted to do the full

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Speaker 4: vocal thing there, but it is breaking news. It's a

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Speaker 4: big deal. Are you gonna review every CJ car?

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Speaker 3: Throw? Is that what the breaking news is.

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Speaker 1: I've started doing a review of every CJ car in.

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Speaker 3: The Spring game, the what is it the Blue Gold Games?

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Speaker 3: That what it's called the.

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Speaker 1: Blue Gold Game. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I got a text message from Mama H who has

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Speaker 4: thankfully shared out her peacock access information.

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Speaker 1: Good me.

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Speaker 4: The text message at like eight thirty Sunday morning, Hey,

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Speaker 4: did you just log in with my peacock? The answer

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Speaker 1: But that is not our breaking news, Dan Okay, our

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Speaker 1: breaking news that Nico Iamliava is transferring away from Tennessee.

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Speaker 4: We started hearing rumbling about this later last week. Our

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Speaker 4: friend Pete Nakos over at On three was doing some

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Speaker 4: of the reporting, was being called out by Nico's dad,

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Speaker 4: But it turns out Pete knows what he's doing, and

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Speaker 4: in reality, yes, there was some of an effort behind

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Speaker 4: trying to get him four million dollars a year. Tennessee

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Speaker 1: Maybe the only reason I'm saying maybe or allegedly or

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Speaker 1: Do we know that Nico didn't have like escalators in

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Speaker 4: Tells them, Sorry, not sorry. Also, allegedly, this is something

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Speaker 1: This one wasn't. This one actually blew up in everybody's

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Speaker 1: Tennessee looking for a quarterback, Nico looking for a home.

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Speaker 1: What's your read on all of this? It's wild, right,

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Speaker 1: So the approximate timeline. I'm sure I'm going to get

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Speaker 1: So now it's a question of where's Nico going to go?

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Speaker 1: Like you said, where's Tennessee going to go with its

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Speaker 1: He is not going to participate in spring practice. So

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Speaker 4: I've seen football scoop Yeah, talk pretty definitively that Texas

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Speaker 4: My first thought to you, and I said this to

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Speaker 4: You know, we know there's a connection in the West

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Speaker 4: Coast with Nico. If USC's not game for this, UCLA

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Speaker 4: To your point, he's going to get less. He's going

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Speaker 4: I've been thinking a lot about this all weekend. This

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Speaker 4: and we are at this moment now in college football,

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Speaker 4: that's been I think the mental gymnastics we've been forced

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Speaker 4: still all very very murky. It is certainly not a

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Speaker 4: of the biggest advocates for player rights. I still believe

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Speaker 4: I still think that is a very good thing. You

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Speaker 4: conversation now of hey, what does Tennessee do. Tennessee has

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Speaker 4: positioned fairly well as they were a year ago to

435
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Speaker 4: make a run at this playoff thing again, they need

436
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Speaker 4: to get some high level quarterback play to execute that

437
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Speaker 4: Josh Hypel system.

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Speaker 1: Which direction do they go? And timing couldn't be worse.

439
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Speaker 1: Tennessee is going to be looked at if they go

440
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Speaker 1: and poach a sitting starting quarterback as villainous but put

441
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Speaker 1: into an unfortunate situation giving the given the Nico timing,

442
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Speaker 1: or you go in the direction of like, here is

443
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Speaker 1: this promising quarterback who clearly lost out in a quarterback

444
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Speaker 1: battle over spring, right that it's a Kenny Minshee at

445
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Speaker 1: Notre Dame. It's who's an Angelia at Notre Dame? Or

446
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Speaker 1: you know Austin Nova said at Oregon was a highly

447
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Speaker 1: regarded recruit who will probably lose out to Dante More.

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Speaker 3: You know that Tennessee.

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Speaker 1: That's not villainous, of course, because there are starting caliber

450
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Speaker 1: quarterbacks losing jobs across the country. But then you also

451
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Speaker 1: are probably looking at somebody with like zero meaningful snaps

452
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Speaker 1: taking over a job to you know, potentially get a team,

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Speaker 1: a playoff team back to the playoff.

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Speaker 4: I'm sure Drew Pine would make himself available again if

455
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Speaker 4: he knew there were an option there, But like otherwise,

456
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Speaker 4: I legit don't know. I legit don't know. And the

457
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Speaker 4: portal is opening up this week, so my hunch is

458
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Speaker 4: that there are going to be all sorts of rumors

459
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Speaker 4: flying about. N Eco is clearly the biggest name in that.

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Speaker 1: Portal and the Tennessee job being arguably the most tantalizing

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Speaker 1: open quarterback position of the off season. Yeah. Absolutely, at

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Speaker 1: Oklahoma and Auburn. There's big schools, but given the Tennessee

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Speaker 1: quarterback success under Josh Hipel, I mean, I don't know

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Speaker 1: what's more attractive than that. I can't imagine if we

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Speaker 1: knew about this six months ago, that Tennessee wouldn't be

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Speaker 1: let's say, the top landing spot for a transfer quarterback, right,

467
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Speaker 1: you know, knowing what we know now. Well, that was

468
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Speaker 1: part of the leverage though that Nico had the like

469
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Speaker 1: it's gonna be much harder to find somebody.

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Speaker 4: Now didn't work. Yeah, it didn't work, and now it's

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Speaker 4: didn't be harder for him to find a spot too.

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Speaker 1: Go to Minnesota. This whole thing's a mess.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna do our part to stay on top of

474
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Speaker 4: it to the best of our ability. We are frankly

475
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Speaker 4: just reading most of the stories as you are, but

476
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Speaker 4: if we hear anything, we'll do our best to keep

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Speaker 4: you posted.

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Speaker 1: So keep it right here.

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Speaker 4: Otherwise, around the world of college football. Yes, there was

480
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Speaker 4: a Bogle game. I talked about that.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure I will talk about that at some point

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Speaker 1: in the very near future. Spring football is just starting

483
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Speaker 1: to get rolling, which is generally when we see a

484
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Speaker 1: nice little uptick of fans realizing, oh, college football about

485
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Speaker 1: five months away somewhere in that neighborhood. So keep it

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Speaker 1: right here all off season long, Dan, we will talk

487
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Speaker 1: about spring football, I'm sure before long. Yes, this spring,

488
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Speaker 1: And with that tie, it is our distinct pleasure to

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Speaker 1: bring on to the show for the first time. And

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Speaker 1: may I say he openly admits that we hooked him

491
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Speaker 1: into the solid verbal universe many years ago with our

492
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Speaker 1: distinct venn diagram of mainstream pop punk and college football.

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Speaker 3: Is that correct, John?

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Speaker 5: That is one hundred percent correct, Because you know, if

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Speaker 5: you can describe me as a person.

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Speaker 2: I think that's the Venn diagram right there.

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Speaker 1: So I would say sensational hair if you're watching on YouTube.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what hair product you're using, but he

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Speaker 1: looks dapper and ready to roll. Uh. And we're not

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Speaker 1: just having him on because he likes pop punk and

501
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Speaker 1: college football and puts excellent hair product in. We are

502
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Speaker 1: also excited to talk to him about all things Kansas State.

503
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Speaker 1: He has the Open for Business newsletter on all things

504
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Speaker 1: Big twelve, he's got the John Kurtz Show on YouTube.

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Speaker 1: Give me the url, so everybody gets clearly.

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Speaker 5: Oh ofbnews dot com, boom fbnews dot com.

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Speaker 1: So we're very excited because on our I don't like

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Speaker 1: loosely defined series. We talked to USC a little while ago,

509
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Speaker 1: but we're looking for trending directions and where Kansas State

510
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Speaker 1: is actively trending right now on the up and down

511
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Speaker 1: graph in our mind. So I guess with that, my

512
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Speaker 1: top line question is what is the feeling in terms

513
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Speaker 1: of where Kansas State right now is trending after a

514
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Speaker 1: weirdly uneven season for a weirdly consistent program.

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Speaker 5: I think that's a pretty good setup to what last

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Speaker 5: year was like. I think there's a lot of optimism

517
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Speaker 5: about this team kind of going through the fires last

518
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Speaker 5: year with a lot of younger talents. Chris Clement's done

519
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Speaker 5: a really good job over the last three to four

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Speaker 5: years of really producing a lot more young talent.

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Speaker 2: I know, if you look at recruiting rankings.

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Speaker 5: I mean, they're not in the top twenty or anything

523
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Speaker 5: like that, but it's upgraded considerably from where it was

524
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Speaker 5: under Climbate early and certainly where it was under Bill

525
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Speaker 5: Snyder two point zero. And they just had a lot

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Speaker 5: of guys that had to get their feet wet in

527
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Speaker 5: tough situations, and they took big lumps like, for instance,

528
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Speaker 5: the Houston game, obviously the BYU game, the way that

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Speaker 5: totally spiraled out of control, and a lot of that's

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Speaker 5: going to be led by Avery Johnson, you know. I mean,

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Speaker 5: you look at the statistics. He had the best sophomore

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Speaker 5: season for any quarterback in Case state history. But I

533
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Speaker 5: mean there are a lot of moments that left a

534
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Speaker 5: lot to be desired. So I think a Ton's going

535
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Speaker 5: to be on his shoulders and can he take that

536
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Speaker 5: next step. He'll be kind of the leader of that group.

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Speaker 5: But there are a lot of guys really in his

538
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Speaker 5: class that came in that are very talented that need

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Speaker 5: to continue ascending and taking steps forward, one of them

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Speaker 5: being like a Jace Brown who's with him and back

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Speaker 5: at receiver. They've got a really talented tight end room

542
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Speaker 5: led by Garrett Oakley. They've got Lincoln Cure, five star

543
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Speaker 5: tight end coming in to add to that. Dylan Edwards,

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Speaker 5: another guy a childhood friend of Avery Johnson who's going

545
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Speaker 5: to have to step in for DJ Giddens. Now, I

546
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Speaker 5: feel like they have the talent in a lot of

547
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Speaker 5: these places, but it will be like did this team

548
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Speaker 5: legitimately mature and in a Chris climb In program, it

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Speaker 5: seems like the odds would be pretty likely that you're

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Speaker 5: going to get that sort of development. I mean, it's

551
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Speaker 5: been a developmental program, and that's kind of the vibe,

552
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Speaker 5: like really steady consistent program. Will this be a steady

553
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Speaker 5: consistent team when last year's was not. I think that's

554
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Speaker 5: really what a lot of this will come down to.

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Speaker 5: But I would say the optimism level is pretty high

556
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Speaker 5: among the fan base. You're now going on like the

557
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Speaker 5: four straight year where the expectations have been pretty high

558
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Speaker 5: going into the season. One year obviously they met that

559
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Speaker 5: one the Big twelve. The last two it's been a

560
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Speaker 5: bit disappointing and kind of faded toward the end of

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Speaker 5: the year. So do they have that staying power and

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Speaker 5: can they? Honestly, this year it's going to be can

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Speaker 5: they withstand a tricky start and a very weird start

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Speaker 5: to that schedule. Obviously, they play Week zero in Ireland

565
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Speaker 5: against Iowa State, who they've lost four or five too,

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Speaker 5: So that's tough enough on its face. But then even

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Speaker 5: beyond that, you get a service academy. You got a

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Speaker 5: Friday game against Arizona, so they'll have to be ready

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Speaker 5: right out of the shoot.

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Speaker 4: John I hate to ask this, but it is all

571
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Speaker 4: the rage right now, and I know you just posted

572
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Speaker 4: a video about it, so I wanted to get you

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Speaker 4: to expand on it a little bit further. Could Avery

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Speaker 4: Johnson be a target for Tennessee now that Tennessee apparently

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Speaker 4: in the market.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he will be. I think he is.

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Speaker 5: I think they've probably tried to shake down that tree.

578
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Speaker 5: But I can say with confidence that I don't know

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Speaker 5: that Tennessee would be offering a lot. I'll say this,

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Speaker 5: I think Avery Johnson was being paid a comparable amount

581
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Speaker 5: of money to what Nico Iamliaba was already making well,

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Speaker 5: so I guess I would be surprised if Tennessee were

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Speaker 5: going to come in and make an offer that is

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Speaker 5: some crazy offer that he can't refuse. I think the

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Speaker 5: other reason case Date feels pretty good is because Avery

586
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Speaker 5: Johnson really likes Matt Wells. He's now the offensive coordinator

587
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Speaker 5: with kind of Riley moving on, so he's kind of

588
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Speaker 5: got his guy, someone that he's comfortable with there. They

589
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Speaker 5: really had to work to get Jace Brown back, you know,

590
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Speaker 5: who had believed it or not the best receiver season

591
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Speaker 5: at KSE State since Tyler Lockett last year, which was

592
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 5: only like eight hundred and thirty six yards. But it's

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Speaker 5: kind of the state of where Case State's receivers have

594
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Speaker 5: been just as an aside. But anyway, Jace Brown coming

595
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 5: back really helps. Obviously, Dylan Edwards is his guy too.

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Speaker 5: He's there, you've already, I mean, Tennessee's already threw spring ball.

597
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Speaker 5: Case State's in the middle of springball. Just the timing

598
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Speaker 5: on it doesn't seem great. And it's a massive year

599
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Speaker 5: for his development right in his career, like he's he's

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Speaker 5: had two years now, I mean we still think of

601
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Speaker 5: him being pretty young, but this is a year where

602
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Speaker 5: he needs to really ascend and take a step forward.

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Speaker 5: So I think for all those reasons, the timing on

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Speaker 5: it doesn't make a lot of sense. KSE State has

605
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Speaker 5: ponied up pretty well andil wise, and you know, for

606
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Speaker 5: folks that don't believe that it didn't work out, but

607
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Speaker 5: you can look at what they spend on their basketball

608
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Speaker 5: roster this year and get a pretty good sense of

609
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Speaker 5: the fact that they are spending a lot of money.

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Speaker 5: So KSE State I think feels pretty good about where

611
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Speaker 5: they sit with it right now, even though I think

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Speaker 5: the expectation would be, yeah, Tennessee's probably going to try.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure they'll they'll make an attempt there.

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Speaker 1: So Kansas State's been this program. We talked about the

615
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Speaker 1: consistency where you have multi year quarterback starters. Obviously Bill

616
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Speaker 1: Snyder there forever and the legacy he's left, Skyler Thompson's

617
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Speaker 1: there forever. Will Howard's the guy after it doesn't work

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Speaker 1: out with Adrian Martinez. What has been happening behind the

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Speaker 1: scenes sort of in a more topsy turvy Kansas State,

620
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Speaker 1: especially with offensive coordinator and quarterback Obviously, Will Howard goes

621
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Speaker 1: on to win a national championship after leaving Kansas State.

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Speaker 1: Is it was there a sense that he was being

623
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Speaker 1: pushed out? What has been going on with three coordinators

624
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Speaker 1: on offense in three years? How have the vibes been

625
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,959
Speaker 1: behind the scenes with quarterback and coordinator?

626
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Speaker 5: Yeah, the Will Howard thing is it's a good question,

627
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Speaker 5: and I understand how people could look at it and scoff.

628
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Speaker 5: Perhaps what my answer is going to be to that,

629
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Speaker 5: because like, Will Howard left and won a national championship,

630
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Speaker 5: but that really was like a situation where I think

631
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Speaker 5: both Will Howard and Chris Climb kind of knew the deal, right,

632
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Speaker 5: Like Avery Johnson is the most like heralded, hyped quarterback

633
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Speaker 5: that Case State arguably has ever brought into the program.

634
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Speaker 5: I would I would say certainly since Josh Freeman. I mean,

635
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 5: Josh Freeman was a big deal. But that we're talking

636
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Speaker 5: about the same time that we were listening to Blink

637
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Speaker 5: one eighty two and taking back Sunday and brand New

638
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 5: when Josh Freeman came into the program, So like it's

639
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 5: been a minute since Case State's had a quarterback like that.

640
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 5: He was going to have to play it was either

641
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Speaker 5: or did you want one more year Will Howard, or

642
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Speaker 5: did you want a Johnson to go transfer somewhere, And

643
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 5: so it was a decision everybody kind of knew you

644
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 5: had to make. And you know, Will's I love the guy.

645
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 5: He's very sensitive and very in tune with like what's

646
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Speaker 5: going on, Like he knew what the deal was. And

647
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Speaker 5: I think both he and Climb and just sat down

648
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Speaker 5: and said like, hey, this is this is kind of

649
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Speaker 5: what it has to be. And one thing we may

650
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Speaker 5: talk about here, like Case State's going to rely on

651
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 5: George Fitzpatrick. I think to start a tackle who's an

652
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 5: Ohio State transfer, Gay Powers may start at linebacker who's

653
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 5: an Ohio State transfer. Chris Climb And just shouted out

654
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 5: the other day at his press conference like Will Howard

655
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 5: helped make those transfers happen. So there's there's not like

656
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 5: a burn bridge there. There's still a really good relationship.

657
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 5: I think it was just one of the realities of

658
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 5: college football. Case State's not Texas, they weren't going to

659
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,959
Speaker 5: be able to pay both Quinn your as an arch

660
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 5: manning to stick around right and stay on the roster.

661
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 5: That was basically the scenario there no real hard feelings,

662
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 5: and I think it worked out really well for both sides.

663
00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 5: The offensive coordinator thing, it's a little trickier, like obviously,

664
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 5: I think everybody feels very good about what Colin Klein

665
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 5: is as an offensive coordinator. In case date fans hope

666
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 5: that eventually he would be the guy to succeed Chris Cleman,

667
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 5: because I think the feeling is Chris Climb is certainly

668
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 5: not going to be Bill Snyder and be coaching into

669
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 5: his late seventies and eighties, so we'll see how that

670
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 5: works out. But he was a really highly regarded OC.

671
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 5: It was disappointing when he left, but I think understandable.

672
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 5: He had been pursued by Notre Dame the previous offseason

673
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 5: and kind of turned them down, so he knew it

674
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 5: was going to happen at some point. Connor Riley was

675
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 5: a predictable move. Chris Climb's a guy that likes to

676
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 5: promote within his own program. Happens a lot. Connor Riley's

677
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 5: a great offensive line coach. I think left some to

678
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 5: be desired as an offensive coordinator, particularly in the back

679
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 5: half of the season, and I think the fan base

680
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 5: kind of almost exhaled a little bit and was like, hey,

681
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 5: we you know, Matt Wells had some pretty good offenses

682
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 5: back in the day at Utah State. Obviously Jordan Love,

683
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 5: but even like you know, Chucky Keaton, and he was

684
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 5: having to deal with all sorts of injuries at Utah

685
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 5: State at quarterback when he was there and still producing

686
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 5: good offenses. So I think there's been a lot of

687
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 5: intrigue about what Matt Wells could do, and fans are

688
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 5: sort of like, it sucks to lose a great offensive

689
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 5: line coach when you're replacing three starters there. That is

690
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 5: certainly something to circle about what's going to happen with

691
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 5: this season this year. But ohc wise, this may not

692
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,280
Speaker 5: be the worst thing in the world. And like I mentioned,

693
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 5: I think the word out of Avery's camp was that

694
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 5: they're pretty happy about Matt Wells, and that's somebody that

695
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 5: he's pretty comfortable with. So it's not ideal to go

696
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 5: through three offensive coordinators in three years. But I think

697
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:28,839
Speaker 5: especially when you're turning it over to someone who's been

698
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:32,399
Speaker 5: a Power five head coach, power four head coach, head

699
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,919
Speaker 5: coach in the Big twelve, like you'd feel better about

700
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,840
Speaker 5: that than if this were somebody getting their first shot.

701
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 2: At an offensive coordinator right now?

702
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 3: What's the state of Chris Cleman?

703
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 1: Obviously, there were rumors last year that you know, he

704
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 1: was going through things behind the scenes and that he

705
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: might not be long for this job, and he was

706
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 1: very quick to shout those down that he hadn't thought

707
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 1: about retirement. I hadn't thought about, you know, moving on

708
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,439
Speaker 1: to another phase of his life. What's the state? What

709
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 1: do you get a sense of in terms of where

710
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 1: his head is at. Was that all unfounded or was

711
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,879
Speaker 1: it overblown? What's going on behind the scenes with him?

712
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm kind of two minds there. I think the

713
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 5: retirement stuff as it relates to like right now, is

714
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 5: a bit overblown. I don't think that was ever something

715
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 5: that was like really truly on his radar. However, as

716
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 5: I mentioned it, it's not really been a particularly well

717
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 5: kept secret that he's not a guy that I think

718
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 5: wants to do this forever. And the other thing is,

719
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 5: we all know the realities of what college football is

720
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,839
Speaker 5: right now. See the Nico Iamliava story right like this

721
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 5: is it's not what these coaches really got into it for.

722
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 5: They're having to deal with so much more that is

723
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 5: unique to anybody throughout the history of the sport. I

724
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:45,840
Speaker 5: think that, you know, maybe has worn on him a

725
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 5: little bit. In fact, I mean, he started his press

726
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 5: conference just the other day going on like a five

727
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 5: minute rant about how much he hates the one hundred

728
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 5: and five roster limit that they have now with the

729
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 5: House settlement, because he's going to have to cut guys that,

730
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 5: you know, they would prefer to have walk ons there,

731
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 5: and guys that really want to be in the program

732
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:05,879
Speaker 5: that they're going to have to cut. And so he said,

733
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 5: I think he called it a disaster. That's a direct

734
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,240
Speaker 5: quote the college football off the field being a disaster.

735
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 5: So I think it's he's made it very clear he's

736
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 5: not thrilled with a lot of the ins and outs

737
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 5: of the sport right now. So, you know, my educated guests,

738
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 5: do I think he'll still be coaching in five years.

739
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 2: I don't.

740
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,720
Speaker 5: Maybe that's kind of where I would mark like sometime

741
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 5: within the next five years, you're probably going to be

742
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 5: looking at making some sort of a change there. What

743
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 5: happened last year late in the season, I don't think

744
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 5: that's really anything that pushes him toward retirement. It was

745
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,839
Speaker 5: a pretty it was a rough family situation for him,

746
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 5: for sure, but I don't think it was anything that

747
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 5: was like going to directly push him into retirement then.

748
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 5: So it's probably a combination of like people looking around

749
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 5: and being like, well, hey, we've heard that he may

750
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 5: only have a couple more years left in him, and

751
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 5: now there's this thing going on behind the scenes, and

752
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 5: he did you know he had a moment too where

753
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 5: he kind of like fainted on the sideline at one

754
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 5: point earlier in the year, and he wrote that off

755
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 5: like it wasn't a big deal. So I get why

756
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 5: people added all that up, but I'm not expecting him

757
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 5: to retire tomorrow or anything like that.

758
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 1: How does the k State fan base see this program

759
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 1: fitting into the new landscape of college football, Because look,

760
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 1: the Big Twelve, as many other big conferences, last year,

761
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 1: went through a bit of a renovation. That being said,

762
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 1: college football playoff also expands, so the structure of the

763
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 1: sport going through its own renovation, there is more of

764
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,479
Speaker 1: a pathway in now for a school like a Kansas State.

765
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 1: In theory, Kansas State should benefit from the expanded playoff field,

766
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 1: but you have to go back to twenty twelve before

767
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,760
Speaker 1: you find the last season where Wildcats finished with fewer

768
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 1: than four losses. From a fan perspective, is it playoff

769
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: or bust? Is it conference or bust? I'm always interested

770
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 1: in sort of that calculation that fans have to make

771
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 1: to figure out what the best expectation is for this program.

772
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 1: How does k State fit in there well.

773
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 5: A fan expectation. I mean, look, fans are fans. So

774
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,439
Speaker 5: there has been a lot of disappointment about the last

775
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 5: two years that they have not won a Big Twelve championship.

776
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,839
Speaker 5: I think everybody felt like, coming off of the year

777
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 5: that they had in twenty twenty two and winning the

778
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 5: Big Twelve title, like, oh, yeah, we'll just do this again.

779
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 5: Will Howard's coming back. Yes, we have to replace Duce Fawn,

780
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 5: but DJ Giddens is great. So there was a little

781
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,479
Speaker 5: bit of disappointment that didn't happen. And then it was, well,

782
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,359
Speaker 5: hates the Avery Johnson era, so of course he's going

783
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 5: to be a stud and we'll just take that and

784
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 5: plug and play and go. And I think everybody found

785
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 5: out the realities of having a true sophomore first year

786
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 5: starting quarterback, and it was a lot of what happened

787
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 5: last year. So I think people look at it and say, hey,

788
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:42,760
Speaker 5: there's kind of a power vacuum in the Big twelve.

789
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 5: Why not us? You know, we've had these high expectations.

790
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:47,760
Speaker 5: Chris Clem's kind of got the program up and rolling.

791
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 5: But you're getting a lot of fans I think now

792
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 5: that wonder about climb AND's ceiling, I think he's he's

793
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 5: really established a high floor. I mean, I don't think

794
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,240
Speaker 5: anybody can dispute that. Like, the only time he hasn't

795
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 5: won eight games at Case State was the COVID year,

796
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,240
Speaker 5: and that was a wonky year all the way around.

797
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 5: They dealt with a ton a ton of guys that

798
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 5: were missing that season, which is, you know, not a

799
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 5: unique story to them, but I don't really hold that

800
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 5: against them. Long story short, So Climbing really is like

801
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 5: you can pencil him in for basically eight and four

802
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 5: or better every single year. However, that's kind of where

803
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,800
Speaker 5: you know a lot of the lot of the fans

804
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 5: will tell you like, that's that's Seyeah, he's eight and

805
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 5: four Chris Climbing, Like, can he really push forward?

806
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:27,479
Speaker 2: People?

807
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 5: Wonder, you know, is should there be more shake up

808
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 5: on the staff, should they try and be a little

809
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:33,760
Speaker 5: bit more dynamic with what they're doing on the staff.

810
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 5: That's been a question that gets asked a lot, because,

811
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 5: as I mentioned, he promotes internally quite a bit, and

812
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,720
Speaker 5: even just him as a coach, he's had some issues

813
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 5: with like I would say, like game management, sorts of

814
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 5: things that happened there, and there's always some frustration throughout

815
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 5: the season, like could could you be earning more of

816
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 5: an edge by doing some things like that? Their special

817
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 5: teams have kind of lagged lately the last couple of years,

818
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 5: which is weird to say about about a k State team.

819
00:39:58,280 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 5: So fans have a lot of bones to pick there

820
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:01,839
Speaker 5: that they think the ceiling could raise if he would

821
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 5: do that. But it's tough to really argue, I think

822
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 5: in today's day and age, with what he's done at

823
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 5: Case State and what he's done to prove that somebody

824
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 5: else can win like that at the school minus Bill Snyder.

825
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 5: So it's a tricky situation. It's probably a pretty comparable

826
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 5: situation to a lot of places across the country.

827
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 2: Right, people get really fed up with a.

828
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 5: Guy doing a good to very good job, but why

829
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 5: can't we take the next step to like excellent and elites?

830
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 5: So long story short fans definitely think this program could

831
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 5: or should be like the program that takes over in

832
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 5: the Big twelve and a power vacuum right now with

833
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 5: everybody kind of equal. But I think the reality is

834
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 5: the league is just so even in terms of coaching resources,

835
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 5: like you probably are not going to have anybody that

836
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 5: does that. Maybe it's going to be Kenny Dillingham. I mean,

837
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:53,320
Speaker 5: the guys younger than me and already killing it the

838
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 5: way that he is. That that would be bad news

839
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 5: for the rest of the league if it's going to

840
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 5: be that. But I kind of expect this to continue

841
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 5: to just jockey back and forth with seeing new teams

842
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 5: in the playoff every year.

843
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 4: I know you've been a pretty staunch advocate for the

844
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 4: Big twelve and just where it's at generally speaking, I

845
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 4: think you'd probably be the right person ask this question.

846
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,320
Speaker 4: Do you think the Big twelve is covered fairly?

847
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 2: Boy, it's a loaded one.

848
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 1: That's what I'm good at.

849
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a man, it's I will I will say

850
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 5: that I've had to take I think the reins on

851
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 5: or be one of the people. My approach has been

852
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 5: Nobody else seems to be fighting for this league like

853
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 5: I'm going to fight for it. And a lot of

854
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 5: this just goes back to you man, Like twenty twenty one,

855
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 5: it was like it just seemed like everybody left the

856
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 5: conference for dead and nobody, nobody really cared to advocate

857
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 5: for the Hateful Eight, you know, the eight teams that

858
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 5: were left behind at that point. And I was like, well,

859
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 5: I mean, this is kind of one my livelihood. It

860
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 5: was for ten years. I did it full time when

861
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 5: I was covering Case eight. It's also just you know,

862
00:41:57,920 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 5: going back to my childhood. You know, I was going

863
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 5: to Case games and I was a baby and could

864
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 5: get in for free. Like it's just been my life,

865
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 5: what I know. And I'm sitting here like this is

866
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 5: literally an existential threat to everything that we love, just

867
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 5: such a huge part of our lives. And I'm looking

868
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 5: around at all these big passionate fan bases in the

869
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 5: Big twelve that are dealing with the same thing. So

870
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 5: I feel like you had to come and take kind

871
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 5: of an adversarial stance on it, like this is not

872
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 5: a time to sit back, Like this is a time

873
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 5: to take up arms. And you know, I feel for

874
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:28,800
Speaker 5: now like Washington State and Oregon State, because they got

875
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 5: what I figured was coming at that point to my

876
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:33,720
Speaker 5: school and a lot of others in the Big twelve.

877
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 5: So I do take a pretty pretty strong stance on

878
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 5: trying to defend the league every second that I can.

879
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 5: Now is it covered fairly? I understand, you know. I

880
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 5: listened to like Josh Paid, for instance, the other day,

881
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 5: talk about like, hey, if I'm just being honest, my numbers,

882
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 5: if I'm not talking about the SEC or the Big Ten,

883
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 5: like it's just my numbers don't perform the way that

884
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 5: they would otherwise. And as a content creator myself obviously

885
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 5: understand that game.

886
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 2: I understand how it works.

887
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 5: So I understand from a lot of media entities perspectives

888
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 5: how it's like there's just not as wide of a

889
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 5: reach as there is with the SEC and Big Ten,

890
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 5: and it is what it is, and you're not going

891
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:15,399
Speaker 5: to get all that coverage, and that's something that they

892
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 5: have to reconcile with and deal with. So I don't

893
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 5: place maybe as much blame on people in those positions

894
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 5: as I did back in July of twenty twenty one.

895
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 5: I have a little bit more of an understanding of

896
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 5: it right now. I just think my frustration is like

897
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 5: if someone's not going to just kind of call it

898
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 5: for what it is and say, like, it's a really

899
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 5: messed up system that we have right now, and it

900
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:38,840
Speaker 5: is definitely not fair. What's happened to a lot of

901
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 5: the schools and the Big Twelve and the ACC and

902
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:42,879
Speaker 5: the positions that they're in right now. It's not great

903
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 5: for the general health of the sport. So as long

904
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:47,320
Speaker 5: as it's as long as you're not going to be

905
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 5: really like actively cheerleading you know what the state of

906
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 5: the sport is at large right now, I can be

907
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 5: fairly understanding with what you have to do from like

908
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 5: a content perspective and how you're going to going to

909
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 5: craft your show. Honestly, I mean that's one of the

910
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 5: reasons I really appreciate you guys and which you do,

911
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 5: because I feel like you still celebrate the sport as

912
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 5: a whole, and that's what we need more people to

913
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 5: do that as much as possible.

914
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 4: Your newsletter is open for business, which is pretty much

915
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 4: a cut off.

916
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 3: Of ty to take a compliment my man, Well.

917
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. No, I've I'm shut up.

918
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:22,800
Speaker 3: I mean, even the compliment Ja Kouzzi.

919
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 4: Thank you, John, I appreciate you. Very much open for business.

920
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 4: Your newsletter is a direct descendant of something that Brett

921
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 4: yor Mark said. How do you grade the job he's done?

922
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 1: It feels every now and again like he's got a

923
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 1: bit of a crazy idea that you don't know if

924
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 1: he can take him fully seriously, But then you look

925
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 1: at some of the results. He's definitely been very aggressive

926
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,360
Speaker 1: about trying to keep the conference in a good place,

927
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 1: make sure it's got some element of stability. How do

928
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 1: we grade him on a scale one to ten, I'd.

929
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 5: Say probably like, uh, I go like an eight. I

930
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 5: think for Brett, you or Mark, and I hear a

931
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 5: lot of fans that get frustrated with some of the

932
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 5: like minutia in terms of just like managing a conference

933
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 5: day to day, And I think that's where it shows

934
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 5: sometimes that like he's look, he was at rock Nation

935
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 5: before he came to the Big twelve. Like this is

936
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 5: not somebody that worked in college athletics or was a

937
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 5: lifelong administrator like these guys all used to be. But

938
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:21,800
Speaker 5: the important thing is like he nails the big picture

939
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 5: stuff and that's what this league has needed. And he

940
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 5: also when I talk about like hey take up arms,

941
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 5: fight for yourself, Like he brought an attitude of like

942
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 5: we're going to do that. We're going to be proactive

943
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 5: on social media anytime I'm in front of a microphone,

944
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 5: like I'm going to push pro Big twelve narratives and

945
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 5: we're not going to let the narrative get set for us,

946
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 5: which is what was happening so often, whether it was

947
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 5: by Texas, you know, pushing everybody around in the boardroom

948
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,319
Speaker 5: and letting that leak out that there were all sorts

949
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 5: of issues going back to you know, the day that

950
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 5: the Big twelve started in nineteen ninety four, before they

951
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 5: were even playing games, you know, Texas and Nebraska butting heads.

952
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 5: It just it was never a conference that did a

953
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 5: good job of advocating for it. And I think your

954
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,360
Speaker 5: Mark's done an excellent job, but turning some of that

955
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 5: around and then the big picture, I mean, really he

956
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:08,799
Speaker 5: should probably get at least like a seven just for

957
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 5: nailing the TV deal with Fox and ESPN and being

958
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 5: ahead of the PAC twelve, you know, for that alone,

959
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 5: because that ensured eventually that the conference was going to

960
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 5: stick around and that it would be the PAC twelve

961
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,839
Speaker 5: that would fall. And you know, again, I hate that

962
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 5: it had to happen that way. But that whole pulling

963
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:27,800
Speaker 5: off the four corners thing and being there to scoop

964
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 5: everybody else up like that, that was as important as

965
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 5: anything that's arguably ever happened to the conference with the

966
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 5: realities of where the sport is right now. So I

967
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:40,439
Speaker 5: think all that has been great. You can argue whether

968
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 5: or not, like private equity inviting that into the space,

969
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 5: and you know, they've been there have been a couple

970
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 5: of reports now that they've kicked that around, whether you

971
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 5: want to call it private equity or private capital. Again,

972
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 5: I think that's just a reality of where they're at

973
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 5: that they have to look at something like that. There

974
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 5: have been a lot of things, like you know, media

975
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 5: has been unhappy they move everybody way up top at

976
00:46:57,800 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 5: the Big twelve tournament.

977
00:46:59,480 --> 00:46:59,760
Speaker 2: Now.

978
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 5: They had the tiebreaker fiasco a couple of years ago,

979
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:05,439
Speaker 5: which I you know, I thought that was a bad look.

980
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 5: You know, they basically just changed the tiebreaker in season

981
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 5: and then kind of kind of gaslight everybody about what

982
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 5: had actually happened there. But you know, I think that's

983
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 5: the stuff you have to live with if the guy

984
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 5: is going to be keeping your conference alive and having

985
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:23,359
Speaker 5: a better vision for the big picture where this all

986
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 5: has to go. So long story short, I give him

987
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 5: an eight. There is some room for improvement, but I

988
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 5: think he has infused a lot of life, both literally

989
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,919
Speaker 5: and figuratively into the conference where it probably otherwise would

990
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:36,359
Speaker 5: not have been.

991
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 1: Where do you at least short medium term slot in

992
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 1: Kansas State in terms of how prepared and how well built?

993
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 1: You talked a little about recruiting and some of the

994
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 1: different players who have I guess pop promise if for

995
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:51,839
Speaker 1: lack of a better term, guys like Dylan Edwards and

996
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 1: Jas Brown. Where do you slot in Kansas State right

997
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 1: now in terms of tears, in terms of groupings of

998
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 1: like how prepared is this Kansas State team for short

999
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 1: medium term success?

1000
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 3: When you look around the conference.

1001
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 5: I think short term success, Like looking at next year,

1002
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 5: I would probably i'd group them in Tier one, you know,

1003
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 5: I mean, if you're thinking about it, who's going to

1004
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 5: be Tier one at which could be an exercise in

1005
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:18,879
Speaker 5: futility as we all learned last year when the Big

1006
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:23,319
Speaker 5: twelve preseason poll was basically slipped upside down. But you know,

1007
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:26,839
Speaker 5: I think Arizona State, BYU it's fair to have them

1008
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 5: up there Texas Tech based on their portal haul, Like,

1009
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 5: you can probably advocate for them being in a Tier

1010
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 5: one if you want to have like a four to

1011
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 5: five team Tier one in the Big Twelve for next year,

1012
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 5: I think I'd be okay with including Case State in that.

1013
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 5: I'm not completely sold yet on like, Hey, this team

1014
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 5: is going to be in the Big Twelve championship game.

1015
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 5: I think they'll be right around there and compete. Again.

1016
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 5: I think they should have a chance to, But I really,

1017
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 5: I really do worry about Week zero in Ireland. I

1018
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 5: just think that will set the tone on that season

1019
00:48:57,680 --> 00:48:59,799
Speaker 5: a lot. And Iowa States turned into a huge bug

1020
00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 5: of for this team, so I'm going to need to

1021
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:06,760
Speaker 5: see that before I think I really feel great about

1022
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 5: them being a team that's going to win the Big

1023
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:11,479
Speaker 5: Twelve title medium term. I think as long as Chris

1024
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:13,399
Speaker 5: Kliment is still around, you got to feel like they're

1025
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 5: going to be in the vicinity, you know, be within

1026
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 5: striking distance every year because you can, just as I

1027
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 5: mentioned earlier, like pencil them in at like an eight

1028
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:26,320
Speaker 5: win type of benchmark every single season. If he leaves,

1029
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 5: then I think it's like all bets are off. So

1030
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 5: if you start going medium term beyond like the next

1031
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:33,919
Speaker 5: two or three years. I think it could very much

1032
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 5: be in all bets are off type situation. Like I said,

1033
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,439
Speaker 5: the dream around here is that it would work out

1034
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:41,360
Speaker 5: that Colin Klein comes in and takes over as the

1035
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:43,839
Speaker 5: head coach and is ready.

1036
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 2: And has not taken another job by that point.

1037
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 5: You know, has not because if you continue to have

1038
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 5: a lot of success in the SEC as a coordinator,

1039
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 5: you know, he may just be out of Case State's

1040
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 5: price range essentially before he ever gets that opportunity. I

1041
00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 5: think he would definitely like to be the coach there,

1042
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:01,800
Speaker 5: but I'll so don't think he's going to just derail

1043
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 5: his career or stop his career if another job is

1044
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:06,839
Speaker 5: going to come after him. So I not naive enough

1045
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 5: to think that. And even if you do get him, yeah,

1046
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 5: then you're talking about a guy who's first time head coach,

1047
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 5: young head coach, learning on the job, learning on the fly,

1048
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 5: who knows. So Case State's not a place that I

1049
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:21,839
Speaker 5: think you can feel confident enough about the entire infrastructure, history, resources,

1050
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 5: all that, like, oh, you know, they'll just hire somebody

1051
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 5: else and be fine. It's clearly very much dependent on

1052
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:29,800
Speaker 5: how long Chris climb is going to stick around. But

1053
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:32,279
Speaker 5: as long as he does, you'll be in the game.

1054
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 5: I think in this big twelve you should be having

1055
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 5: a fighting chance to be very very successful. He has

1056
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 5: shown like one thing I think that probably flies under

1057
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:44,359
Speaker 5: the radar a little bit is that they have done

1058
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 5: a really good job in the portal. And it's not

1059
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 5: always with high profile guys, but they've taken a lot

1060
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 5: of defensive back transfers from North Dakota State or from

1061
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 5: the FCS ranks and put him into the NFL. They

1062
00:50:57,480 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 5: have been really really crafty with the way that they

1063
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 5: used a transfer portal and.

1064
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 2: Just affect it. Like efficient is probably the best word

1065
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 2: with that.

1066
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:08,840
Speaker 5: They've been very efficient at plugging guys in who maybe

1067
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 5: we're not drawing a ton of headlines, but have been

1068
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 5: very effective and successful for them. And that's the type

1069
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:15,359
Speaker 5: of thing that makes me think like they know how

1070
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 5: to navigate this new world of college football. And I

1071
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 5: anticipate this portal hall. I mean, I think it looks

1072
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 5: really really good on paper for them this year in

1073
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:25,320
Speaker 5: terms of addressing some needs and guys that are probably

1074
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 5: going to start and at least a word right now,

1075
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 5: when you know, everybody's optimistic, everybody's in the best shape

1076
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:32,799
Speaker 5: of their life, and springball all that stuff. But the

1077
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 5: ward seems to be that they really like a lot

1078
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 5: of those guys, so I do think he'll continue to

1079
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 5: have success.

1080
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 1: So if the selling point of the current Big Twelve,

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Speaker 1: or at least what I perceive the selling point to be,

1082
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:46,359
Speaker 1: it's there's a lot of teams with high floors. There's

1083
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 1: a lot of quality in the conference. There's a lot

1084
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:51,319
Speaker 1: of high profile head coaches that are worth following and

1085
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:54,839
Speaker 1: being entertained by. And then what you're going to get

1086
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 1: is you're going to get the team separating themselves sort

1087
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 1: of on the margins because nobody's recruiting at an overwhelt

1088
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 1: better rate or paying an overwhelmingly more amount of money consistently.

1089
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 1: We'll see what Texas Tech does over time. So it's

1090
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 1: on the margins. And last year the margins for K

1091
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:12,800
Speaker 1: State were turnovers. I don't think they were a particularly

1092
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:15,280
Speaker 1: good tackling team. They gave up way too many big plays,

1093
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:18,359
Speaker 1: it seemed, at least more than usual. Where are the

1094
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:22,799
Speaker 1: margins this year for K State? That needs addressing to you,

1095
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 1: And I don't know when we're recording this in mid April, Like,

1096
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:28,319
Speaker 1: here are the little correctible nuggets that they can use

1097
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:32,720
Speaker 1: to separate themselves from whoever, from byu ASU whatever.

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00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 3: Where are those margins?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So one thing I think about is secondary, because

1100
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Speaker 5: you mentioned like they gave up a lot of big

1101
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:41,319
Speaker 5: plays and they're going to have two guys drafted out

1102
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:44,320
Speaker 5: of that secondary from last year. Jacob Parrish and Marquis

1103
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 5: Siegel both ran incredible forty times at the Combine and

1104
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 5: tested really well. I think Parish, it was one of

1105
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 5: those starting corners last year, could be like a third

1106
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:55,879
Speaker 5: third ish round pick. Marque Siegel is definitely gonna get

1107
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 5: drafted to It's like they had some dudes, but they

1108
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 5: had some weak links, and I think this year they

1109
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 5: may not have quite the star power that they had

1110
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 5: with Jacob Parrish and somebody who's going to be a

1111
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 5: second or third round draft pick, but I think they

1112
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 5: will be much better in terms of like weakest link.

1113
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 5: They brought in Jaden Row from Oklahoma a Mario and

1114
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:18,759
Speaker 5: Fordenberry from South Alabama who played a lot as a

1115
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:20,800
Speaker 5: true freshman last year at a good game against LSU.

1116
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 5: I think that's going to help fortify some things back there,

1117
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 5: the Gunnermaldonado from Arizona, if he can recover from injury.

1118
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:28,400
Speaker 5: I mean, that's the guy that two years ago was

1119
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 5: excellent the back end of their secondary. I think he

1120
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 5: could really help Quay Moss another transfer. Like I just

1121
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 5: think if they can be better as a whole, where

1122
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 5: the secondary at times can be like you're you're only

1123
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 5: as good as your weakest link, as opposed to, you know,

1124
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 5: rather have the Stars and Jags kind of thing back there.

1125
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Speaker 5: I think they should be better there and that should

1126
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 5: keep them in more games, because there were times last year,

1127
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 5: I mean even games that they won. Go back and

1128
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 5: watch the two lane game and what Darien Mensa did

1129
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 5: to them. I mean there were high school wide open

1130
00:53:58,080 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 5: receivers for a lot of that game that made it really,

1131
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 5: really tough to get out of there for a win.

1132
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:03,759
Speaker 5: So that's one thing that comes to mind for me.

1133
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 5: I mean, I think turnovers like is such an obvious one,

1134
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:11,280
Speaker 5: but even with Avery Johnson, it's just like being more consistent,

1135
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:13,880
Speaker 5: like keeping the chains moving, like the offense. So there

1136
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 5: were a lot of free and outs last year where

1137
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:18,359
Speaker 5: even if it wasn't a turnover, it would just be

1138
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 5: a really bad series and just very quickly the defense

1139
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 5: is thrown back out there, a lot of momentum killed.

1140
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:26,319
Speaker 5: You just need to see him become more a depth

1141
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 5: at like consistently moving the sticks. We know that he

1142
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 5: can make terrific plays with his feet, we know that

1143
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 5: he can even you know, with his arm. Another one

1144
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:36,920
Speaker 5: from the two lane game, he makes this incredible, like

1145
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:39,759
Speaker 5: Mahomes esque off balance throw to the back of the

1146
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:41,799
Speaker 5: end zone just to strike like he's got the star

1147
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 5: stuff in him, but needs to be more consistent. So

1148
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:47,839
Speaker 5: I think consistently keeping the offense moving and not being

1149
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 5: quite as boom or bust would be a really big

1150
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 5: thing too. And I would point out I know I

1151
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:55,360
Speaker 5: mentioned this once earlier, and you know, anybody who listens

1152
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:57,759
Speaker 5: to you know, the three month podcast I do with

1153
00:54:57,760 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 5: a couple guys about k State. I just railed on

1154
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 5: special teams all year, but it's look at case Ay,

1155
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 5: you get really accustomed to having great special teams and

1156
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 5: that being a real differentiator. Chris Tennant was awesome. Who

1157
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 5: was their kicker last year that they do have to

1158
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:13,400
Speaker 5: replace and so that's maybe a true freshman that's going

1159
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 5: to do that. That's a concern. But other than that,

1160
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:17,239
Speaker 5: they got a lot of room to grow, like their

1161
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:20,400
Speaker 5: return units. Everything else special teams wise was not good,

1162
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 5: and it felt like every game they were kind of

1163
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:26,600
Speaker 5: getting beaten the margins on special teams, which is literally

1164
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 5: like what the program is built on thanks to Bill

1165
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 5: Snyder and even you know, under Chris Climb, and it

1166
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:33,839
Speaker 5: was pretty good to start. It just feels like it's

1167
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 5: it's slowly eroded a little bit. They lost Stanon Webber

1168
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 5: a couple of years ago, who was I think a

1169
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 5: really good special teams guy that came from the Bill

1170
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:44,879
Speaker 5: Snyder coaching tree, and just feels like they haven't totally

1171
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:48,319
Speaker 5: recovered from that to me. So I'm hopeful that they

1172
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:50,360
Speaker 5: that they improved there. I think that's another way that

1173
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 5: they could really start to win in the margins if

1174
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 5: they're going to do that this year and improve on

1175
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:57,399
Speaker 5: what they were last year.

1176
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, you mentioned three and out in a rare i'll

1177
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 4: say unfortunate note of inconsistency or consistency in this case case,

1178
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:10,360
Speaker 4: State nationally was ninetieth in terms of offensive three and

1179
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:14,880
Speaker 4: out percentage and also ninetieth on defense in terms of

1180
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 4: forcing three and outs, So yeah, you shore that up.

1181
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 1: It makes things a little bit better.

1182
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:23,759
Speaker 5: John, Right, Yeah, yeah, that's I'm glad you started to

1183
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 5: bust out that stet. I was like, I didn't have

1184
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:26,880
Speaker 5: it on hand, but I was like, I sure know

1185
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:28,880
Speaker 5: what it felt like watching the team throughout the year.

1186
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 1: It doesn't feel great.

1187
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:31,319
Speaker 2: No, yeah, yeah, no.

1188
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:34,359
Speaker 1: So there's your another nugget thanks to Tie, that they're

1189
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 1: looking to take into twenty five. Is this a good schedule?

1190
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 1: It's real weird. It's a real weird Kansas State. I mean, look,

1191
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 1: you start in Ireland, you get Army, two weeks later,

1192
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:47,839
Speaker 1: you don't get ASU and BYU I don't believe on

1193
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 1: the regular season slate. But also you're not really getting

1194
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 1: what's perceived at least to be the bottom maybe other

1195
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 1: than Oklahoma State. We'll see on the Cowboys. What do

1196
00:56:57,600 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 1: you do in terms of evaluating this schedule?

1197
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, weird is the right word for it, especially the

1198
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:06,080
Speaker 5: beginning of the schedule, because so the Iowa State game

1199
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 5: in Ireland was a k State home game, so again

1200
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:11,720
Speaker 5: sign of the times. They're getting a seven figure payday

1201
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 5: for moving that game to Ireland, and I get it.

1202
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 5: You're also getting a lot of publicity out of it,

1203
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 5: like it'll be cool to have the college football world

1204
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:21,920
Speaker 5: talking about Avery Johnson when you think it's a big

1205
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 5: year where this team could do some big things. You

1206
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 5: also need all the publicity that you can get in

1207
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 5: this day and age if you're a big twelve team.

1208
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 5: So I understand the moves behind it, but it's tough

1209
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 5: to lose a home game against the rival. It would

1210
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 5: have been the best home game on the schedule, like

1211
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 5: Case State, Iowa State has turned into a pretty heated

1212
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 5: rivalry these days. But yeah, you're going to go straight

1213
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 5: from that. They opted not to take the buy after Ireland,

1214
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:46,440
Speaker 5: which supposedly came from talking to some other teams like

1215
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 5: Nebraska that had done it recently. So the play North Dakota,

1216
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 5: which you figure they should be fine after that. But yeah,

1217
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 5: then army man. I've said this to Gene Taylor, KSE

1218
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 5: State's athletic director, like, what are you doing scheduling academy?

1219
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 2: Why? Why?

1220
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 5: What benefit is that you're gonna have to learn triple option?

1221
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 5: That's not going to help you at any point the

1222
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 5: rest of the year. I just don't look forward to

1223
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 5: that game at all. And then, yeah, you got a

1224
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 5: Friday game at Arizona and we'll see. We'll see what

1225
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 5: Arizona's going to be. I know, obviously they were wildly

1226
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 5: disappointing last year. But it's gonna be a road game

1227
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 5: where it's probably like one hundred and ten degrees on

1228
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 5: in the desert. I don't know, it's tricky. That'll be

1229
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 5: a tricky thing to navigate. And then yeah, I mean,

1230
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:28,400
Speaker 5: I've got to go to Utah at the end of

1231
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 5: the year, and I think Utah is a team not

1232
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:33,920
Speaker 5: enough people are talking about right now. I think they

1233
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:36,920
Speaker 5: will bounce back pretty emphatically, as long as Devin Dampier

1234
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:40,360
Speaker 5: is anything close to what it looks like the ceiling

1235
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 5: of him could be. With the defense that they're going

1236
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:44,439
Speaker 5: to have, I think that will be a really tough game.

1237
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:47,200
Speaker 5: They got to go to Kansas, which Kansas is going

1238
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:48,960
Speaker 5: to open up a new stadium. They have a beatcase

1239
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:52,440
Speaker 5: state once again. I'll make another I guess brand New

1240
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 5: reference here, since brand New was putting out records, it's

1241
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 5: been a long time. Kansas is gonna want that one

1242
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:00,920
Speaker 5: really badly. They've got Jayalen Daniels. I think that'll be

1243
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:04,240
Speaker 5: a tough road game. So but the caveat as you

1244
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:08,120
Speaker 5: kind of mentioned Dan with the conference schedule, is like, yeah,

1245
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 5: we don't know, because I had a whole analysis and

1246
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 5: breakdown on the k State schedule last year and it

1247
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:14,480
Speaker 5: turned out to look pretty silly by the end of

1248
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 5: the year based on the way everything broke. So I

1249
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:21,480
Speaker 5: think it's anything in the Big twelve is manageable enough.

1250
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 5: But I don't think K State has done itself a

1251
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 5: lot of favors with things like the Ireland game, with

1252
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 5: things like Army. They didn't really have control over the

1253
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:33,440
Speaker 5: Friday night thing of Arizona, right, and that's still a

1254
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 5: non conference game, by the way, from a series that

1255
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 5: they had scheduled before they became league opponents. So it

1256
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:42,479
Speaker 5: is tricky, but manageable is the way that I would

1257
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:42,880
Speaker 5: phrase it.

1258
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:45,360
Speaker 1: People say that about me, by the way, continue tire

1259
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 1: who knows what Texas Tech too? I mean, Texas Tech

1260
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 1: has been very active in the portal. There's a lot

1261
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 1: of reason to be excited about the Red Raiders. It's

1262
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:57,680
Speaker 1: helpful to get a bye week after Texas Tech. But

1263
00:59:57,840 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 1: to your point, you're going to Kansas, so open up

1264
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:02,600
Speaker 1: a new datium or be part of what I think

1265
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:05,520
Speaker 1: is going to be a very meaningful game for the Jayhawks,

1266
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 1: then you come back home the next week against Red

1267
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:09,160
Speaker 1: Raiders before you go on buy and close out your

1268
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:13,040
Speaker 1: season with two consecutive road games Oklahoma State Utah, and

1269
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 1: then close out back at home against Colorado. So it's

1270
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:18,480
Speaker 1: really weird, Dan, I think that's the best way to

1271
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:21,959
Speaker 1: put it. Yeah, his name is John Kurtz again, John

1272
01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:25,000
Speaker 1: Kirt Show. You can find the Open for Business newsletter

1273
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 1: out at ofbnews dot com for people who aren't familiar

1274
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:32,040
Speaker 1: with you, John, What is the John Kirt Show? What

1275
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:35,240
Speaker 1: is the newsletter? What can people expect if they find

1276
01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:36,000
Speaker 1: more of your content?

1277
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, I appreciate that. So Big twelve heavy content. The

1278
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 5: YouTube channel is going to be Big twelve heavy, but

1279
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 5: college football as a whole and skewing into conference realignment,

1280
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:47,440
Speaker 5: there's definitely gonna be a lot to talk about that.

1281
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:48,800
Speaker 5: So if you're a Big twelve fan, you're going to

1282
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 5: find what you're looking for there. The Open for Business

1283
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 5: Big twelve newsletter is all about the Big twelve. Really,

1284
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:55,920
Speaker 5: it's I looked around in all the college football coverage

1285
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:58,640
Speaker 5: veers toward looking through things to a big ten or

1286
01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 5: SEC lens. So in a big story happens like Niko Iamliyava, Well,

1287
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:04,560
Speaker 5: how does that affect the Big Twelve? That's what I'm

1288
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 5: writing about there. That's what you're going to find there

1289
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:09,960
Speaker 5: free to inbox multiple times per week at OFB news

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Speaker 5: dot com. So if you're a Big twelve fan, I

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Speaker 5: would highly suggest that. And I guess I should throw

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Speaker 5: a shout out to the three More podcast like IMA

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Speaker 5: with a three, but I do that as well on

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Speaker 5: the Names Network. Yeah, if you want to check that out,

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Speaker 5: there's three of us on the show.

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Speaker 2: Dan.

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Speaker 5: I don't know if you could figure that out, but

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Speaker 5: that's great. Well we call it three mo.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: John Kurtz, thank you so much for your time and

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Speaker 1: good luck and all of your endeavors both listening to

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Speaker 1: early two thousand's indie pop punk, your drive through Records

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Speaker 5: Hey, I appreciate it you guys, It's been awesome. Love

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Speaker 5: what you guys do, and we'll talk to you soon.

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Speaker 5: All right, there go John Kurtz.

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Speaker 4: Check him out John kurt Show out on YouTube, the

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Speaker 4: Open for Business newsletter, the three Moth Podcast.

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Speaker 1: He does an awesome job, very thorough. He does an

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Speaker 1: awesome job.

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Speaker 4: And you know, because you and I talked about this

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01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:02,520
Speaker 4: all the time, we want to bring more people like

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Speaker 4: John on the show, people who are just pumping out

1314
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:10,000
Speaker 4: really high quality content, know what they're talking about. It

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Speaker 4: helps that he looks and sounds good. Of course, you know,

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Speaker 4: we're dorks for that type of thing, but John really

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Speaker 4: checked all the boxes and I'm thrilled to we're able

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Speaker 4: to bring him on. Man, it was a lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: You know, when people ask me what I do, I

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01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:23,280
Speaker 1: just say, let me tell you this. It boils down

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01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:26,280
Speaker 1: to one thing. I pump out high quality content. That's right,

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Speaker 1: That's what I do. Yeah, I pump out high quality content. No,

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Speaker 1: he was absolutely great. Can I ask you a follow

1324
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Speaker 1: up question about K State, not really about John, but

1325
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Speaker 1: about K State. Are you now, after having seen K

1326
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:43,400
Speaker 1: State's twenty twenty four season, and I guess a little

1327
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:46,400
Speaker 1: bit of twenty twenty three, do you have the same

1328
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Speaker 1: level of enthusiasm and hope for Avery Johnson? Because I

1329
01:02:51,160 --> 01:02:54,120
Speaker 1: am not saying the losses were on him, but I'm

1330
01:02:54,160 --> 01:03:00,320
Speaker 1: saying major, major elements of some of those losses were

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Speaker 1: whether it's the turnovers, whether it's the inconsistencies of the

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Speaker 1: three and outs. As you mentioned, it's very easy to

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01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:12,040
Speaker 1: be seduced by the best of Avery Johnson. But I

1334
01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:14,000
Speaker 1: think we've long been proponents of like what is your

1335
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:16,560
Speaker 1: eleventh best pass look like? And that's where the drop

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Speaker 1: off seems to be. It's an exercise in extremes. Yeah,

1337
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:27,640
Speaker 1: with Avery Johnson, because some of his best plays are incredible,

1338
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Speaker 1: and it's very clear why everybody's excited about Avery Johnson. Yeah,

1339
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:36,760
Speaker 1: the hair, of course, the hair that goes without saying.

1340
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Speaker 1: But on the same note, yeah, the lows are pretty low. Yeah,

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01:03:41,120 --> 01:03:46,240
Speaker 1: the lows are pretty low. So I am optimistic that

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Speaker 1: with another year. I am optimistic that, you know, as

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Speaker 1: john said, the fact that he feels pretty comfortable having

1344
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Speaker 1: his guys around him, not just on the roster, but

1345
01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:03,720
Speaker 1: just in the coaching staff likes Matt Wells, that type

1346
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:07,280
Speaker 1: of stuff. I am confident that another year in a

1347
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Speaker 1: stable situation will make him better, can help sand off

1348
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Speaker 1: some of those rough edges, Yeah, and make him a

1349
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:16,320
Speaker 1: little bit more responsible with the football, helped the offense

1350
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:18,880
Speaker 1: stay ahead of the chains, things of that nature. I mean,

1351
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Speaker 1: this was just his first year as a full time

1352
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Speaker 1: starting quarterback, so we do need to extend a little

1353
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Speaker 1: bit of grace on that front, even for the highest

1354
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Speaker 1: of high touted prospects. Give them another.

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Speaker 4: Year in the system to hopefully mature and get ridden

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Speaker 4: with mistakes. So I remain optimistic. That being said, Okay,

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Speaker 4: as John alluded, this is like best recruit ever kant

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Speaker 4: State something certainly at the quarterback well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, quarterback, I think it was. I think this year

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Speaker 1: might but it might have been Lincoln care. I know

1361
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Speaker 1: Oregon and Kansas State were right in there at five

1362
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Speaker 1: star tight end, local to campus. But at the quarterback position, yes,

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Speaker 1: that quarterback. Yeah, a quarterback position.

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Speaker 4: You know, it's not unlike the whole Nico conversation where

1365
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Speaker 4: you've got a guy coming in with much acclaim and

1366
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Speaker 4: there is part of you you almost have to fight

1367
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Speaker 4: it off. But there is part of you that expects

1368
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:15,600
Speaker 4: hopes is going to be disappointed by a player not

1369
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Speaker 4: popping immediately. Right, So we saw some pop. I think

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01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:22,919
Speaker 4: Kansas State fans would also like to see a little

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Speaker 4: bit more pop, would like to see fewer mistakes and

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Speaker 4: that type of thing. I remain optimistic, but some of

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01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:34,200
Speaker 4: the air has been let out of the balloon, if

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Speaker 4: I'm being honest.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, I think it absolutely has because you look

1376
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Speaker 1: at the BYU game last year and that was not

1377
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Speaker 1: all on him, but also there was a scoop and

1378
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Speaker 1: score a punt return touchdown. I believe for BYU. It's

1379
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Speaker 1: on the road for k State and everybody is sort

1380
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Speaker 1: of I think we should extend grace. Everybody's just going

1381
01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:55,480
Speaker 1: to have that awful Saturday. Everybody's just we call it clunkers.

1382
01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:58,280
Speaker 1: Everybody just like everything has gone wrong. You write it off.

1383
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Speaker 1: It's just like, well, that just wasn't our night. That

1384
01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:01,680
Speaker 1: just wasn't see.

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Speaker 4: My My thing is not so much Navy Johnson thing

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01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:09,200
Speaker 4: with k State. Okay, it's every year we do our

1387
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:12,760
Speaker 4: previews in mid July and we start doing research and

1388
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Speaker 4: I feel like every year I look at k State

1389
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Speaker 4: and I'm like, I really like this team. Yeah, of course,

1390
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Speaker 4: I've started doing it ready. I've looked at the schedule.

1391
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Speaker 4: You know, you call it weird. It is weird, but

1392
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Speaker 4: I think it's favorable. There's not like any heavy hitters

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Speaker 4: in there that I think at this point in mid

1394
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Speaker 4: April we're looking at and saying, oh, they're going to

1395
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Speaker 4: be outside of the Iowa State game, which is going

1396
01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:34,360
Speaker 4: to be weird. For both teams in Ireland. You know,

1397
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Speaker 4: like we don't know what to make any of these schools.

1398
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Speaker 4: Frankly can't lose to BYU in embarrassing fashion. No, Arizona

1399
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Speaker 4: State's not on the Arizona State could be the favorite

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Speaker 4: to win, They're not on the schedule. My problem with

1401
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Speaker 4: k State is every year I feel like I talk

1402
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Speaker 4: myself into the same headspace with this team where it

1403
01:06:55,840 --> 01:06:59,600
Speaker 4: just feels like they should end up being better than

1404
01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:03,240
Speaker 4: the record would indicate. Yeah, it's a four loss team,

1405
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Speaker 4: like every year.

1406
01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:08,200
Speaker 1: While it is, I think their starting point is four

1407
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:11,640
Speaker 1: losses and they have the opportunity if it's via clean

1408
01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:15,000
Speaker 1: play without turnovers or as John mentioned to special teams

1409
01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:18,680
Speaker 1: play or hitting on somebody induced Vaughn type who can

1410
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Speaker 1: put the team on their back. Their starting point is

1411
01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:23,120
Speaker 1: eight and four and they have the opportunity to get

1412
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Speaker 1: to ten and two, and which is fine. By the way,

1413
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Speaker 1: That's a good place to be and that's where you're

1414
01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:28,960
Speaker 1: starting grahams at.

1415
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Speaker 4: Yes, you will take that. And I like Chris kleimb

1416
01:07:31,520 --> 01:07:34,040
Speaker 4: and I really do. I like the fact that this

1417
01:07:34,120 --> 01:07:38,200
Speaker 4: program feels stable, especially on the heels of the other

1418
01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:42,200
Speaker 4: conversations we've had in this episode. Stability is currency right

1419
01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:44,480
Speaker 4: now in college football. They're in a really good spot.

1420
01:07:44,520 --> 01:07:48,240
Speaker 4: Don't get me wrong, but you're a fan of a team,

1421
01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:51,360
Speaker 4: and you just especially now there's this wider pathway in

1422
01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:56,400
Speaker 4: the playoffs, seems more attainable. The conference has crazy parody

1423
01:07:56,440 --> 01:07:58,680
Speaker 4: with no eight hundred pound gorilla is at least not

1424
01:07:58,760 --> 01:08:02,480
Speaker 4: at this point and again mid April as a fan

1425
01:08:02,520 --> 01:08:05,040
Speaker 4: of a team like that or just somebody who I think,

1426
01:08:05,520 --> 01:08:09,479
Speaker 4: speaking from myself, generally feels pretty good vibes with k State,

1427
01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:12,080
Speaker 4: why can't they get over that hump?

1428
01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:14,080
Speaker 1: What is the thing? You know?

1429
01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:16,799
Speaker 4: What is the one thing you talk about the margins

1430
01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:19,680
Speaker 4: with John? What are those things that they need to

1431
01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:22,559
Speaker 4: get consistently better at to get to a point where

1432
01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:27,760
Speaker 4: they're just reliably ten and two regular season and not

1433
01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:30,400
Speaker 4: going to take a stupid loss and submarine their chances

1434
01:08:30,400 --> 01:08:31,800
Speaker 4: of the conference or getting into that place.

1435
01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:33,599
Speaker 1: I mean, there are like six teams in the sport

1436
01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:37,080
Speaker 1: who can call reliable ten and two. I know, no,

1437
01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:39,280
Speaker 1: I think you're right, But the the thing I think

1438
01:08:39,400 --> 01:08:43,600
Speaker 1: we are wrong in doing is assuming anybody has the

1439
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:46,439
Speaker 1: ability to label themselves or for us to label them

1440
01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:52,599
Speaker 1: as consistent as consistently seemingly consistent good and you know, impressive,

1441
01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:55,960
Speaker 1: as Kansastate has been. It's the most impossible thing, right,

1442
01:08:56,120 --> 01:08:59,720
Speaker 1: given roster turnover, given conference turnover. To say that we

1443
01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:02,760
Speaker 1: can count on Kansas State is kind of ignoring the

1444
01:09:02,760 --> 01:09:06,240
Speaker 1: fact that we can count on nobody, really can count

1445
01:09:06,240 --> 01:09:09,000
Speaker 1: on nobody in college football anymore. And they've done a

1446
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:11,439
Speaker 1: good job navigating this, but they've had they had an

1447
01:09:11,439 --> 01:09:15,880
Speaker 1: inconsistent quarterback last season, right, they had inconsistent tackling and

1448
01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:18,840
Speaker 1: big plays given up on defense. And you know, it's

1449
01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:20,519
Speaker 1: if you're going three and out all the time, as

1450
01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:24,439
Speaker 1: you mentioned, you're being consistently inconsistent or inconsistently consistent whatever.

1451
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:28,439
Speaker 1: And so I think we have to sort of pull

1452
01:09:28,479 --> 01:09:31,360
Speaker 1: back on that a little bit because maybe I don't

1453
01:09:31,360 --> 01:09:33,960
Speaker 1: know nobody is what they you know, nobody is at

1454
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:36,680
Speaker 1: their base what they seem to be recently, because I

1455
01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:38,280
Speaker 1: don't know, changes every other minute.

1456
01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:42,800
Speaker 4: It's wild, man, It's it's wild. This has been a

1457
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:45,000
Speaker 4: good episode. I'm glad we got to unpack the Nico

1458
01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:46,479
Speaker 4: thing a little bit at the.

1459
01:09:46,439 --> 01:09:48,519
Speaker 1: By the way, I wanted to get weird, I'm interrupting you.

1460
01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:50,200
Speaker 1: I wanted to get weird with the Big twelve talk,

1461
01:09:50,320 --> 01:09:52,920
Speaker 1: but it was probably too odd for John given he

1462
01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:56,000
Speaker 1: does a Big twelve show. I assume a lot of

1463
01:09:56,040 --> 01:10:00,160
Speaker 1: these conferences have like PR firms behind them some where

1464
01:10:00,160 --> 01:10:03,559
Speaker 1: we got in some form. Yeah, if you're the Big twelve,

1465
01:10:05,200 --> 01:10:08,160
Speaker 1: like there's never been a better time to go on

1466
01:10:08,280 --> 01:10:11,240
Speaker 1: the offensive of like the fat cats in Washington wants

1467
01:10:11,240 --> 01:10:13,920
Speaker 1: you to believe go on the offensive with the Big

1468
01:10:14,040 --> 01:10:16,840
Speaker 1: ten and the SEC is like they're the ones ruining

1469
01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:20,640
Speaker 1: this sport. Come to the Big twelve for our messaging,

1470
01:10:21,400 --> 01:10:24,080
Speaker 1: which is very shady in itself, of like we're the

1471
01:10:24,160 --> 01:10:26,000
Speaker 1: one true, we are still the heart of college. Well,

1472
01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:28,240
Speaker 1: you can't do it directly though, because you got to

1473
01:10:28,280 --> 01:10:31,479
Speaker 1: work with these conferences. You got it, that's true directly,

1474
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:34,080
Speaker 1: So you need you need to do some gorilla PR

1475
01:10:34,720 --> 01:10:37,439
Speaker 1: and pay off content creators. I am not implying that

1476
01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:40,600
Speaker 1: John is being paid off. Okay, Tie is open to it.

1477
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:44,000
Speaker 3: Tye is open to it. I'm that mortgage.

1478
01:10:44,160 --> 01:10:47,519
Speaker 1: Well and have a conversation. Yeah, but that's the approach.

1479
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:51,840
Speaker 4: You can't go directly at them, Yeah, you gotta go

1480
01:10:52,160 --> 01:10:54,960
Speaker 4: sort of indirectly at them from the flank, just to

1481
01:10:55,040 --> 01:10:56,439
Speaker 4: make sure nobody can tie it back to you.

1482
01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:58,680
Speaker 1: But I agree. I mean, it's a winning message right now.

1483
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:03,439
Speaker 1: Look at what these fast cats in the O'Hare area

1484
01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:07,120
Speaker 1: of Chicago and Birmingham are doing to this sport. We

1485
01:11:07,240 --> 01:11:11,720
Speaker 1: are the one pure place left. We did take the

1486
01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:14,559
Speaker 1: Arizona schools in Colorado and Utah when it appeared they

1487
01:11:14,600 --> 01:11:17,040
Speaker 1: needed a home, but that was just survival for us. Yeah.

1488
01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:21,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, hire a shady PR firm, let them do your bidding.

1489
01:11:21,560 --> 01:11:25,040
Speaker 1: The Big Twelve is crazy interesting. Yeah, it is crazy interesting.

1490
01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:28,519
Speaker 4: And I hate the fact that the sport has evolved

1491
01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:31,640
Speaker 4: to a point where and we're probably guilty of this

1492
01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:32,200
Speaker 4: a little bit.

1493
01:11:32,160 --> 01:11:34,200
Speaker 1: Too, so I'll throw them. I want myself in here.

1494
01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:34,840
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1495
01:11:36,200 --> 01:11:38,080
Speaker 4: I hate that we have evolved to a point where

1496
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:40,439
Speaker 4: some talk about the Big Twelve as if it's like

1497
01:11:40,520 --> 01:11:43,640
Speaker 4: some sort of charity case, like oh oh yeah, oh

1498
01:11:43,680 --> 01:11:46,639
Speaker 4: they're not in the SEC or the Big Ten. Same

1499
01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:48,200
Speaker 4: as true in the ACC front, by the way, but

1500
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Speaker 4: I think even more so for the Big Twelve because

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Speaker 4: it's in some sense bin portrayed as like this island

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Speaker 4: of misfit toys.

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Speaker 1: Right, it's fun as hell to watch.

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Speaker 4: Last year, it's a fun conference, crazy compare and there

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01:12:00,439 --> 01:12:02,920
Speaker 4: was a lot of parody. The games were good and

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Speaker 4: the postseason was good. The postseason I thought did a

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Speaker 4: great job, better than anything else of you know, ecquitting

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Speaker 4: the Big Twelve as like a legit conference. Arizona State

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01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:16,599
Speaker 4: could have won that game. They absolutely could have won

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Speaker 4: that game against Texas. Some would argue that we should have.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I don't know.

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Speaker 4: This is just a long way of saying that I'm

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Speaker 4: glad we had John on. I'm glad we were able

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Speaker 4: to talk some Big Twelve. I'm glad we're able to

1515
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Speaker 4: talk Kansas State, and I'm glad we were able to

1516
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Speaker 4: unpack some of the Eco stuff at the very top.

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Speaker 4: A lot here for the verbawlers to sink their teeth into.

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Speaker 4: So as always, we would encourage your feedback, leave comments wherever,

1519
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Speaker 4: you can, hit us up on email soliverbal at gmail

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Speaker 4: dot com. If you're interested in verballers dot com, if

1521
01:12:41,720 --> 01:12:43,200
Speaker 4: you want to support what Dan and I are doing

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Speaker 4: this offseason, going out there v E R B A

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Speaker 4: L L E R S dot com, ad free episodes,

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Speaker 4: bonus content, discord access, play in our games, and things

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01:12:52,640 --> 01:12:58,519
Speaker 4: of that nature. But yeah, unfortunately, fortunately depends I guess

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01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:01,920
Speaker 4: on your perspective, a lot going on right now in

1527
01:13:02,040 --> 01:13:04,320
Speaker 4: the sport that maybe we didn't see coming like a

1528
01:13:04,360 --> 01:13:08,280
Speaker 4: week or two ago. Yeah, okay, why don't we leave

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Speaker 4: it there. Our guest of honor today was John Kurtz.

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Speaker 1: Go and check out the John Kurts Show as well

1531
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Speaker 1: as his newsletter Open for Business for that guy over there,

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Speaker 1: my good friend Dan Rubens, seen myself tied Hildon Brant.

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Speaker 1: We will talk to you all on Thursday's Day.

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Speaker 3: Song Peace,