WEBVTT - Can movies be cursed? 0:00:00.480 --> 0:00:04.120 Hello Seattle, Hello Portland. We're coming out to see you 0:00:04.240 --> 0:00:09.640 this January. Love. That's right. One are the dates, my friend. January. 0:00:10.119 --> 0:00:12.160 We're gonna be at the More Theater in Seattle on 0:00:12.240 --> 0:00:15.360 January sixteenth. We're gonna be a Revolution hall again in Portland. 0:00:15.480 --> 0:00:18.080 That's right. Tickets are being snapped up fast everyone because 0:00:18.120 --> 0:00:20.279 he love us out there and we love you right back. 0:00:20.520 --> 0:00:22.759 So just go to s y s K live dot 0:00:22.760 --> 0:00:25.760 com for all ticket details. We can't wait to see you. 0:00:27.120 --> 0:00:30.560 Welcome to Stuff you Should Know from how Stuff Works 0:00:30.600 --> 0:00:39.560 dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, 0:00:39.640 --> 0:00:43.320 There's Charles W. Chuck Bryant, there's Jerry. Like tongue is 0:00:43.400 --> 0:00:47.080 super big today for some reason for us, and this 0:00:47.159 --> 0:00:49.519 is stuff you should know. I know, it's like it 0:00:49.560 --> 0:00:53.159 sounds like Peter overbeef for God's sake, who's that? You know? 0:00:53.240 --> 0:00:57.080 That guy's voice anywhere? He's like an MPR reporter and 0:00:57.200 --> 0:01:00.840 like he he has me even beat for large tongues, 0:01:01.560 --> 0:01:04.600 candy sucking sound. Do you remember when we first came 0:01:04.600 --> 0:01:06.440 out and people would write it and be like till 0:01:06.520 --> 0:01:10.640 Josh stop sucking on candy while these podcasting And I'd 0:01:10.680 --> 0:01:12.960 just be like, that's my that's my normal voice. Man. 0:01:13.280 --> 0:01:17.479 At Yeah, I appreciate that. But now now that we're 0:01:17.560 --> 0:01:20.520 high rollers, they provided me with a private nurse to 0:01:21.080 --> 0:01:25.119 um suction out the saliva every thirty seconds. Oh my god, 0:01:25.360 --> 0:01:28.320 and then Jerry has to edit it out. So gross. 0:01:29.680 --> 0:01:34.119 Gross but true, right, like a cursed movie story. True. Yeah. 0:01:34.160 --> 0:01:37.120 Do you know what? I hated the dentists besides everything, Man, 0:01:37.160 --> 0:01:42.520 that was a pretty good segue. I hated the dentist. 0:01:42.600 --> 0:01:44.199 Now you know, you don't have to spit anymore because 0:01:44.200 --> 0:01:48.880 they do have those suction things, but it's still like 0:01:48.920 --> 0:01:51.240 I still do the fake swallow, you know how it 0:01:51.280 --> 0:01:52.760 feels like it builds up in the back of your 0:01:54.080 --> 0:01:55.520 so like they'll be in your mouth and you'll just 0:01:55.560 --> 0:02:00.720 go like that. I hate that. It's funny. Do you 0:02:00.760 --> 0:02:03.680 do that? Does everyone do that? A gag reflex thing? Well, 0:02:03.680 --> 0:02:06.000 it's not even a gag reflex, is just the hard 0:02:06.080 --> 0:02:10.040 swallow that it's almost swallow. Yeah, the sort of swallow reflex. 0:02:10.080 --> 0:02:11.680 If that's such a thing, you feel like you're gonna 0:02:11.680 --> 0:02:14.560 break your vocal cords or your throat muscles. Hate that, 0:02:14.880 --> 0:02:17.639 I know what you mean. I don't hate it, though, 0:02:17.680 --> 0:02:22.040 I think it's kind of yeah, not enjoyable, but I 0:02:22.080 --> 0:02:23.960 don't know, and I don't know. When they talk to 0:02:24.000 --> 0:02:28.079 you and talk about they can talk, but yeah, it 0:02:28.160 --> 0:02:31.720 can't be any questions involved. Maybe rhetorical questions that you 0:02:31.760 --> 0:02:37.960 can shrug at. My last hygienist I really didn't care for, 0:02:38.919 --> 0:02:41.920 like that was a personality thing. And they have TVs 0:02:41.960 --> 0:02:44.480 at my dentists that they'll put down in front of you, 0:02:44.560 --> 0:02:46.840 and which is fine, I don't really care. But she 0:02:46.840 --> 0:02:49.440 would stop and like look and make comments about the 0:02:49.440 --> 0:02:53.600 news and stuff. Yeah, why don't they just why don't 0:02:53.600 --> 0:02:56.720 they just let him do his job? I didn't like it. 0:02:56.720 --> 0:02:58.520 It was it was really annoying. And then I came 0:02:58.560 --> 0:03:00.800 back in not too long ago and there was a 0:03:00.800 --> 0:03:03.480 new hygenis for me and she was awesome, and on 0:03:03.520 --> 0:03:05.480 the way out, I was like, by the way, I 0:03:05.600 --> 0:03:07.960 was like, um, I won't say your name. I was like, 0:03:08.000 --> 0:03:10.800 but this new hygenas I really like a lot um. 0:03:11.240 --> 0:03:13.040 She was like what about before? I was like, I 0:03:13.120 --> 0:03:15.680 wasn't crazy about her, and she went, no one was, 0:03:15.840 --> 0:03:17.920 and you guys need to tell us that. And we 0:03:18.000 --> 0:03:20.840 let her go because we got all these complaints started 0:03:20.840 --> 0:03:23.880 flooding in. I was like, well, I feel bad, like 0:03:23.919 --> 0:03:26.800 I don't want to get anyone fired, but I didn't 0:03:26.800 --> 0:03:31.000 there was she wasn't good. Huh So, anyway, was this 0:03:31.240 --> 0:03:37.600 in brooke Haven? Uh? Yeah? Is it brook Haven? How 0:03:37.640 --> 0:03:39.680 do you know where my dentist is. Well, I just 0:03:39.760 --> 0:03:43.080 had an experience in Brookhven, and I'm like, this town 0:03:43.360 --> 0:03:46.200 is just small enough for that to be possible. Well, 0:03:46.200 --> 0:03:48.200 I'll go ahead and shout out my dentist, the great 0:03:48.280 --> 0:03:53.320 Doctor Darryl Kimchi. She's wonderful kimchi. That's one of my 0:03:53.360 --> 0:03:58.200 favorite foods. But is that your dentist? Uh No, okay, 0:03:58.800 --> 0:04:02.560 but it's possible that we're talking about like a hygienius 0:04:02.600 --> 0:04:05.920 that gets fired pretty far. Maybe you know she's making 0:04:05.960 --> 0:04:09.400 the rounds and buckhead Brookhaven, right, yeah, Dr Darryl Kimchi 0:04:09.680 --> 0:04:13.400 of Atlanta Cosmetic Sports Dentistry. Wow, that is quite a 0:04:13.400 --> 0:04:16.640 shout out. I think Dr Kimchi owes us some free 0:04:16.720 --> 0:04:20.279 kimchi maybe as a thank you. She's sort of a 0:04:20.360 --> 0:04:23.280 celebrity then she does a lot of the uh sports 0:04:23.320 --> 0:04:26.919 people in Atlanta and the Real Housewives. Maybe. But I 0:04:26.960 --> 0:04:29.240 went in and they have memorabilia up everywhere and when 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:30.880 the TV show was out of giving them a poster 0:04:31.160 --> 0:04:37.560 and they never put it up. No way. That's hilarious. Yeah, wow, 0:04:37.600 --> 0:04:40.080 that's great. That reminds me of The Friends when Joey 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:42.200 tried to get his head shot up at the I 0:04:42.200 --> 0:04:43.960 think it's like the dry cleaner or something. Right, and 0:04:44.040 --> 0:04:46.240 do it? Man, that is so stuff you should know. 0:04:46.640 --> 0:04:49.479 All right, Well this has got a nice loose start. Indeed, chuck, 0:04:49.560 --> 0:04:52.799 but this is a this is this is a fun one. Um. 0:04:52.839 --> 0:04:55.120 But let's begin, shall we. Well, yeah, this was written 0:04:55.120 --> 0:04:57.160 by the Grabster. The article is ten movies that were 0:04:57.160 --> 0:05:00.600 supposedly cursed, and Ed goes to great as to point 0:05:00.600 --> 0:05:03.320 out how there's no way that anything can ever be 0:05:03.400 --> 0:05:07.760 really cursed. Right. I think probably his couple of lines 0:05:07.800 --> 0:05:10.720 where he's like, just so stupid it was edited out, 0:05:11.040 --> 0:05:12.719 you know, I get the only you got to sign 0:05:12.800 --> 0:05:15.440 this was like, God, are you kidding me? I want 0:05:15.440 --> 0:05:17.919 to write about real stuff, like a satanic panic. But 0:05:18.040 --> 0:05:20.960 he does love writing about movies. He's definitely a movie guy, 0:05:21.400 --> 0:05:23.960 especially horror movies, and it seems like more than any 0:05:24.000 --> 0:05:28.440 other movie, horror movies they're the variety that that tend 0:05:28.520 --> 0:05:31.720 to be associated with curses more than other types, right, 0:05:31.839 --> 0:05:34.880 or at least the marketing department cooks that up. So yeah, 0:05:34.960 --> 0:05:37.200 that's definitely part for the course these days. But there 0:05:37.279 --> 0:05:41.640 was a more innocent, gentler time when when rumors of 0:05:41.680 --> 0:05:46.000 Satan influencing the production of a movie was a legitimate rumor. 0:05:46.120 --> 0:05:50.480 You know, it wasn't a pr stunt, right. So, like 0:05:50.520 --> 0:05:52.680 you said, Ed goes to some trouble to point out 0:05:52.720 --> 0:05:55.880 what's actually behind the idea of a movie. Curse that 0:05:56.440 --> 0:05:59.600 some things are bound to happen on just about any 0:05:59.640 --> 0:06:03.960 movie trip, especially when you stop and consider, especially in 0:06:04.000 --> 0:06:07.200 the early days, the kind of stuff they were doing 0:06:07.640 --> 0:06:10.279 with the technology they were working with at the time. 0:06:11.040 --> 0:06:13.800 Of course, bad things happened on movies. That's of course 0:06:13.839 --> 0:06:18.640 people died. Like for example, I looked this up right, Um, 0:06:18.680 --> 0:06:22.920 there was a movie called Noah's Ark and they used 0:06:22.960 --> 0:06:26.359 six hundred thousand gallons of water to create the flood 0:06:26.360 --> 0:06:31.280 scene one take. They did one take and three extras drowned. 0:06:31.960 --> 0:06:34.640 One guy who did survive had to have a leg amputated. 0:06:34.640 --> 0:06:37.640 It was broken so badly because this is this is 0:06:37.680 --> 0:06:40.600 the flood scene, and you needed to to basically get 0:06:40.640 --> 0:06:44.760 it as real as possible. Isn't that crazy. That is 0:06:45.160 --> 0:06:48.080 uh yeah, especially back in those days. But they didn't 0:06:48.120 --> 0:06:50.320 care back then, right, they were just like O, they're 0:06:50.360 --> 0:06:53.200 just extras who cares? Although John Wayne, it turns out, 0:06:53.240 --> 0:06:56.520 was an extra in that movie. But he's really obviously yeah, 0:06:56.800 --> 0:06:59.679 and actors into another curse he does. He also worked 0:06:59.680 --> 0:07:02.159 in this special effects department on that movie. Or prop 0:07:02.279 --> 0:07:06.400 prop sorry, prop like special effects was what he did 0:07:06.400 --> 0:07:09.880 early c g I. He would he would clap the 0:07:09.880 --> 0:07:15.120 coconuts together for all the horse scenes. Um. But but hold, 0:07:15.120 --> 0:07:18.200 I have another one. Okay, so this is another movie 0:07:18.360 --> 0:07:20.640 years later they died with their boots on. I think 0:07:20.640 --> 0:07:24.040 it's about the charge of the Life Brigade maybe Okay. 0:07:24.480 --> 0:07:28.600 It was movie starring Errol Flynn and during this cavalry 0:07:28.720 --> 0:07:34.640 charge that they recreated. Three extras in that movie died 0:07:35.400 --> 0:07:38.400 just in that one shot. That one scene. One of 0:07:38.440 --> 0:07:41.400 the guys was thrown from his horse and he threw 0:07:41.600 --> 0:07:45.360 his sword like away from him. Unfortunately threw it ahead 0:07:45.400 --> 0:07:49.480 of himself and the sword stuck into the ground, handle first, 0:07:49.560 --> 0:07:53.440 and he was impaled on the sword. This is this 0:07:53.520 --> 0:07:55.800 happened on a movie set, and it's not just like 0:07:55.840 --> 0:07:59.920 back in the day either. The Twilight Zone movie. Very fair. 0:08:00.000 --> 0:08:03.720 Abviously there was a disaster, right, Yeah, that was It's 0:08:03.800 --> 0:08:07.840 very sad. That's when Vick Morrow and two children, uh, 0:08:07.880 --> 0:08:14.440 we're chopped up by helicopter blade very infamously. It was terrible, 0:08:14.520 --> 0:08:18.640 terrible tragedy. Yeah, Shinty Chan and micah Din Lee were 0:08:18.640 --> 0:08:21.920 the two child actors who were killed. So things do 0:08:22.120 --> 0:08:24.800 happen on movie sets. And again, when you stop and 0:08:24.840 --> 0:08:28.720 think about what they're doing, it's often very dangerous. So 0:08:28.760 --> 0:08:31.600 what Ed is saying is, when you start to put 0:08:31.640 --> 0:08:34.080 these things together and then you get rid of all 0:08:34.120 --> 0:08:37.840 of the things that don't support your point, you got 0:08:37.840 --> 0:08:41.719 a curse on your hands. Should we start with Poltergeist? Yes, 0:08:42.360 --> 0:08:46.840 polter Geist. That's one where people always list this as 0:08:46.880 --> 0:08:50.240 a cursed movie because quite a few of the actors 0:08:51.640 --> 0:08:56.760 died sort of unexpectedly after the movie. Um, and then 0:08:56.960 --> 0:09:00.160 Ed goes on to say, very astutelee. But it's also 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:02.079 a textbook example of why the idea, of course this 0:09:02.160 --> 0:09:06.400 is silly. If I mentioned that curses are silly, so 0:09:07.440 --> 0:09:11.520 over and over so three of the those first three 0:09:11.559 --> 0:09:15.600 Poulter guys eighty eight, I didn't see the remake, did you. 0:09:16.720 --> 0:09:18.520 I didn't even know there was one. Yeah, of course 0:09:18.559 --> 0:09:20.719 there was. They remade it a few years ago. No, 0:09:20.880 --> 0:09:23.280 I didn't. I didn't see it. No, I don't think 0:09:23.280 --> 0:09:29.600 it was very popular. But Um, Dominic done, nique dominique, 0:09:29.600 --> 0:09:33.800 excuse me? Her father was Dominic done? Correct? And her 0:09:33.840 --> 0:09:39.440 brother was Griffin done? Is Griffin done? Yeah? She was well, 0:09:39.520 --> 0:09:43.479 she was murdered. Um, she was murdered by her boyfriend 0:09:43.960 --> 0:09:47.120 John Sweeney. Yeah, and that was a very disturbing case. 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:52.040 Have you ever poked around that case? Like the signs 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:55.120 were all there. It was one of those things that 0:09:55.200 --> 0:09:59.640 could have been prevented, and he got away with it. 0:09:59.760 --> 0:10:03.120 For part he did like three years in prison and 0:10:03.200 --> 0:10:07.200 Dominic done her father. He was there every day for 0:10:07.240 --> 0:10:10.880 the trial of the man who was just just crushed 0:10:10.920 --> 0:10:13.880 by the injustice of the sentence that the guy received 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:17.160 his life. He became a crusader, it did. Yeah. He 0:10:17.520 --> 0:10:20.320 You can read some of the best um coverage of 0:10:20.600 --> 0:10:24.760 high profile murder cases um in the pages of Vanity 0:10:24.800 --> 0:10:27.440 Fair that he covered for years and years and years 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:30.840 as a direct result of him basically covering his own 0:10:31.040 --> 0:10:36.439 daughter's murders trial. Yeah, o j very famously he covered that, Yes, 0:10:36.600 --> 0:10:41.000 he did, Um, and he Uh. Apparently the Dunes spent 0:10:41.120 --> 0:10:45.120 a great deal of time basically keeping tabs on John 0:10:45.120 --> 0:10:47.840 Sweeney for years, and he was a chef for a while. 0:10:48.280 --> 0:10:52.840 He was uh, And I even started tracking him down this. 0:10:52.920 --> 0:10:55.120 I just went down the rabbit hole like six or 0:10:55.120 --> 0:10:58.360 eight months ago on this for some reason. Yeah. This 0:10:58.400 --> 0:11:00.480 is one of those you know things where see something 0:11:00.480 --> 0:11:02.440 on Facebook and then all of a sudden he goes, 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:04.560 oh yeah, and then you go down the rabbit hole. 0:11:05.080 --> 0:11:06.480 And I was I was trying to find this guy, 0:11:06.559 --> 0:11:09.200 was like, where is where is he? And the last 0:11:09.200 --> 0:11:12.199 I saw he was some chefs somewhere. Um, I think 0:11:12.200 --> 0:11:14.000 he had changed his name even of course you had, 0:11:14.040 --> 0:11:16.640 did John Mora, I mean you are, Yeah, we'll keep 0:11:16.720 --> 0:11:20.480 changing that name, buddy, because it's it's gonna follow you around. Yeah. 0:11:20.559 --> 0:11:22.440 And I mean like there was no question whether he 0:11:22.480 --> 0:11:24.600 did it or not. He admitted to to it. Like 0:11:25.000 --> 0:11:27.240 he told this guy who had who had been in 0:11:27.280 --> 0:11:31.040 the house at the time in um Dominique Dunn's house 0:11:31.600 --> 0:11:34.319 rehearsing lines to call the police, that he just killed 0:11:34.440 --> 0:11:38.240 his girlfriend. Um. But yeah, he he was hounded for 0:11:38.280 --> 0:11:40.400 many years, and I guess towards the end of his 0:11:40.440 --> 0:11:43.199 life Dominic Dunn said, you know what, I gonna waste 0:11:43.240 --> 0:11:46.400 my life like keeping tabs on this guy anymore. Um, 0:11:46.720 --> 0:11:48.960 just just dropped it. But yeah, there's a lot of 0:11:48.960 --> 0:11:51.120 people out there who don't like that, dude. Yeah, I 0:11:51.120 --> 0:11:56.520 would imagine so so. Um, so she died by murder. 0:11:56.640 --> 0:11:59.520 Um then the the Young Girl, And this is like 0:11:59.559 --> 0:12:01.560 a couple of months after Poulter Guys came out, right, 0:12:01.559 --> 0:12:03.800 so it was very close to the production. Yeah, yeah, 0:12:03.840 --> 0:12:07.440 she wasn't not in the sequels obviously. Um, Heather O'Rourke 0:12:07.520 --> 0:12:12.320 was the Little Girl and poulter Geist, and she passed 0:12:12.320 --> 0:12:19.040 away after after poulter Geist Too was wrapped and she 0:12:19.360 --> 0:12:21.880 initially was diagnosed with the flu. We talked about this 0:12:21.920 --> 0:12:24.440 in her flu episode a little bit, but what she 0:12:24.520 --> 0:12:28.000 really had was an intestinal blockage and at the tender 0:12:28.040 --> 0:12:31.119 age of twelve, she had a heart attack and sepsis 0:12:31.200 --> 0:12:36.880 and passed away. Super tragic. Yeah, and um, so those 0:12:36.920 --> 0:12:40.959 two dying so close to the production of the actual 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:43.840 movie she died. It was Poultry Guys three. I believe 0:12:44.280 --> 0:12:48.920 that Heather rourke died after filming that We're basically done. Um, 0:12:49.360 --> 0:12:52.160 get it wrong, I got it wrong, man. Uh. And 0:12:52.200 --> 0:12:55.720 then Dominique and died just a couple of months after 0:12:55.840 --> 0:12:58.240 the first Poultry Guys came out. So that's like one 0:12:58.360 --> 0:13:02.800 big hallmark of a of a movie being cursed story 0:13:03.720 --> 0:13:07.160 is the deaths that happened typically need to happen either 0:13:07.240 --> 0:13:11.280 during production or right around production. Okay, so those two 0:13:11.280 --> 0:13:14.240 are the big ones. But then people say, ohh still 0:13:14.320 --> 0:13:17.480 not convinced. Well, listen to this uh and pulls your 0:13:17.480 --> 0:13:19.880 guys too. There was an actor named will Sampson who 0:13:19.960 --> 0:13:23.959 played h Taylor, the medicine man who helps the family, 0:13:25.440 --> 0:13:28.719 and he is better known for playing Chief in One 0:13:28.720 --> 0:13:31.520 Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, one of the great characters 0:13:31.559 --> 0:13:37.080 of all time. Um he died, Uh, I guess after 0:13:38.000 --> 0:13:41.719 filming a few years after filming the year after filming. Um, 0:13:43.960 --> 0:13:47.640 he died following a heart and lung transplant. Yeah, and 0:13:47.720 --> 0:13:49.560 he had a he had a history of health issues. 0:13:49.600 --> 0:13:53.200 He was a giant man. And um, so that was, 0:13:53.360 --> 0:13:56.400 you know, again tied to the curse. But what can 0:13:56.440 --> 0:13:58.640 you say about someone who just died sort of a 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:02.920 natural causes after a heart and long transplant. I think 0:14:02.960 --> 0:14:07.079 there's pretty good odds, um. And then there's um. Julian 0:14:07.120 --> 0:14:12.439 Beck who played the scary, scary scary Preacher Kane and 0:14:12.520 --> 0:14:15.800 also in Poultry Guys Too, and he was creepy. He 0:14:16.000 --> 0:14:19.240 died I guess before Poultry Guys Too actually came out, 0:14:20.160 --> 0:14:22.880 so that would have been close to um the production 0:14:22.920 --> 0:14:25.760 as well, so it checks those boxes. But he died 0:14:25.800 --> 0:14:29.080 of stomach cancer and he apparently had a long standing 0:14:29.080 --> 0:14:34.880 issue with battling it as well. UM, so you can 0:14:34.960 --> 0:14:37.360 make the case it doesn't really count. But are you 0:14:37.440 --> 0:14:42.560 really trying to make a case about curses. Yeah, well, 0:14:42.640 --> 0:14:45.600 let's just talk about him instead about that. Agreed? Okay, 0:14:45.640 --> 0:14:49.040 what's next? The Wizard of Oz is next. That's right. 0:14:49.960 --> 0:14:54.160 Nine great great movie, but a great movie that was 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:58.920 marred by for such a happy movie, it had some 0:14:58.920 --> 0:15:01.600 some rough stuff going on because it was in the 0:15:01.600 --> 0:15:03.640 early days of making movies, and like you said earlier, 0:15:04.120 --> 0:15:07.480 back then it was they didn't know or care as 0:15:07.560 --> 0:15:11.360 much about safety. Like for instance, the tin Man Buddy Epson. 0:15:12.120 --> 0:15:15.160 They said, all right, we need to make you look silver, 0:15:15.800 --> 0:15:18.640 and so we'll just coat you with aluminum powder, and 0:15:18.720 --> 0:15:20.720 that stuff was really dangerous. He went to the hospital. 0:15:20.760 --> 0:15:23.480 That irritated his lungs uh, and he could not even 0:15:23.520 --> 0:15:26.400 continue in the role. Now, luckily he survived to go 0:15:26.440 --> 0:15:30.280 on to play Jed the Dad in Beverly Hillbillies, thank god, 0:15:31.440 --> 0:15:33.640 but he was out of the Wizard of Oz. He 0:15:33.800 --> 0:15:37.080 was so Buddy Epson was replaced by Jack Hayley, and 0:15:37.120 --> 0:15:40.080 they said, well, we probably shouldn't use that same aluminum powder, 0:15:40.200 --> 0:15:42.960 so they used an aluminum paste which didn't get into 0:15:43.000 --> 0:15:48.760 his lungs, but to give him a really bad iron infection. Man, right, 0:15:48.800 --> 0:15:51.320 So the illuminium just the tin man role itself had 0:15:51.360 --> 0:15:54.480 a bunch of problems, but that was just one of many. 0:15:54.800 --> 0:15:57.280 Margaret Hamilton's The Wicked Witch of the West, she was 0:15:57.320 --> 0:15:59.920 burned pretty badly with some of the pirate technics from 0:15:59.920 --> 0:16:04.800 the movie, and um, I think she she was only 0:16:05.120 --> 0:16:07.120 she was hospitalized, but she came back and you know, 0:16:07.160 --> 0:16:09.560 completed work on the movie. Yeah, but she said she 0:16:09.600 --> 0:16:13.880 wasn't gonna do any more firework. Apparently the trapdoor that 0:16:13.960 --> 0:16:16.920 she was standing on, the timing of it wasn't wasn't right, 0:16:17.640 --> 0:16:20.920 so it didn't open up and drop her right before 0:16:20.960 --> 0:16:24.520 the fireworks went off, but did it simultaneous to the 0:16:24.520 --> 0:16:27.720 fireworks going off, which is not what you want. I 0:16:27.760 --> 0:16:30.640 thought it right, So they were like whatever, what are 0:16:30.680 --> 0:16:34.320 you gonna do? Uh. There's the very famous urban legend 0:16:34.360 --> 0:16:36.840 which is not true, but it bears mentioning that one 0:16:36.840 --> 0:16:41.200 of the munchkins hanged himself in the background of a scene. 0:16:41.680 --> 0:16:45.200 And if you just google image that junk hanged Munchkin 0:16:45.640 --> 0:16:48.200 Wizard of Oz, it will it will have a screen 0:16:48.200 --> 0:16:52.640 cap with a little circle around. I mean, he doesn't 0:16:52.640 --> 0:16:55.560 even look It just looks like something that is not 0:16:55.720 --> 0:16:58.680 a tree. In other words, it's not attached to the ground. 0:16:59.280 --> 0:17:02.120 It doesn't necessarily look like a hanging munchkin. But apparently 0:17:02.160 --> 0:17:04.800 there was a bird. Yeah, it doesn't look like a 0:17:04.840 --> 0:17:07.840 bird to me either, though, like supposedly it's a silhouette 0:17:07.880 --> 0:17:09.680 of a bird. And if you watch the like a 0:17:09.680 --> 0:17:12.680 close up of the video of it, it does sway 0:17:12.720 --> 0:17:15.439 back and forth above the ground. So I mean you 0:17:15.480 --> 0:17:18.600 can see where where people came up with that for sure. Yeah, 0:17:18.680 --> 0:17:20.159 but that that is not the case. There was no 0:17:20.280 --> 0:17:23.520 munchkin that uh, that just couldn't take it anymore. There's 0:17:23.560 --> 0:17:26.280 actually there's a really great horror fiction story by I 0:17:26.320 --> 0:17:30.240 think a guy named Stevenage called The Hanged Man of Oz. 0:17:30.920 --> 0:17:33.800 Looking up and reading. It's pretty good, but it's about 0:17:33.840 --> 0:17:37.360 this dude kind of becoming obsessed with that that um 0:17:37.640 --> 0:17:40.120 rumor and seeing it on video and not being able 0:17:40.119 --> 0:17:42.240 to unsee it and all the stuff that happens after. 0:17:43.520 --> 0:17:45.879 I think it's Steve Nagg. It's definitely called the Hanged 0:17:45.920 --> 0:17:49.200 Man of Oz. Right, we'll check that out. Um, other 0:17:49.240 --> 0:17:54.880 tragedies and Wizard of Oz anti m Miss Clara Blandic 0:17:55.520 --> 0:18:01.760 she killed herself, um A one. Yeah, and she left 0:18:01.760 --> 0:18:04.480 in her suicide note that um that she was going 0:18:04.520 --> 0:18:08.119 on her greatest adventure. Well that's kind of nice, I guess. 0:18:08.119 --> 0:18:10.879 So it's about as pleasant as it can get with 0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:14.080 the suicide note. I think the Wizard himself, Frank Morgan, 0:18:14.960 --> 0:18:18.080 he was injured in a car wreck just a few 0:18:18.080 --> 0:18:21.760 months after they released the movie. And then, of course 0:18:22.480 --> 0:18:25.280 Judy Garland had one of the more tragic lives in 0:18:25.320 --> 0:18:29.400 Hollywood history. Yes, they're making a movie about her soon, 0:18:29.480 --> 0:18:32.639 I think she I can't believe they haven't already. I 0:18:32.720 --> 0:18:35.120 think they've done it on TV, but not a big 0:18:35.160 --> 0:18:39.119 movie thing. I don't think she was basically owned by MGM, 0:18:39.800 --> 0:18:44.200 like almost almost the definition of being owned. Right. Um, 0:18:44.520 --> 0:18:49.800 she was, uh, like we discovered at age thirteen. I 0:18:49.840 --> 0:18:54.600 think in Kansas actually at a state fair and they said, um, well, 0:18:54.640 --> 0:18:57.960 we're just gonna buy you from your parents, basically, and 0:18:58.000 --> 0:19:01.280 they took her and they said, you can't get fat, 0:19:01.840 --> 0:19:05.880 so smoke eighty cigarettes a day. They basically prescribed her 0:19:05.880 --> 0:19:08.320 that they got her on ampheta means to keep her going. 0:19:09.200 --> 0:19:13.359 They let they let her have one square meal a day. Terrible. Yeah, 0:19:13.400 --> 0:19:17.800 really so um she and she yeah, if there it 0:19:18.119 --> 0:19:20.880 makes a really good point. If there was any real 0:19:21.160 --> 0:19:23.679 tragedy that came out of the Wizard of Oz, it 0:19:23.800 --> 0:19:28.440 was Judy Garland's life. Yeah. Absolutely, so. She eventually would 0:19:28.440 --> 0:19:35.080 die by suicide herself on an overdose barbiturates. And um, 0:19:35.119 --> 0:19:40.520 I think it's she had the equivalent of ten seeking 0:19:40.560 --> 0:19:47.320 all capsules And lord wow, man, let's say it. I 0:19:47.359 --> 0:19:48.960 want to see that movie. Do you know who's going 0:19:49.000 --> 0:19:51.040 to play her? Oh? Man, I just saw this the 0:19:51.040 --> 0:19:54.840 other day. I can't remember who, but I remember thinking, yeah, 0:19:54.960 --> 0:20:00.280 good casting, Like it wasn't Owen Wilson, it would be 0:20:00.359 --> 0:20:07.320 pretty come on, get happy. So right. She was forty 0:20:07.359 --> 0:20:09.600 seven years young, by the way, which is far, far 0:20:09.640 --> 0:20:13.400 too young to have lost Judy Garland. Uh, you want 0:20:13.400 --> 0:20:16.359 to take a break, Yeah, And that downer. Yes, all right, 0:20:16.400 --> 0:20:18.879 we'll come back and talk about the Man of Steel 0:20:19.000 --> 0:20:45.040 right after this. Alright, chuck um. So there's actually a 0:20:45.240 --> 0:20:49.919 role Superman that's considered a cursed role. Did you know that? 0:20:50.480 --> 0:20:52.880 I did know that because I remember as a kid, 0:20:53.760 --> 0:20:56.720 even though I'm not, you know, sixty five years old, 0:20:57.480 --> 0:21:01.160 I'd like to watch reruns of stuff like Gilgan's Island 0:21:01.200 --> 0:21:07.480 and Green Acres and Petticoat Junction. Oh really, pet it good? Yeah, 0:21:07.520 --> 0:21:09.040 I mean you know, it was one of those old shows. 0:21:09.040 --> 0:21:13.200 They're all great, that true, probably one of my favorite stuff. True, 0:21:13.240 --> 0:21:17.200 I'll watch all that stuff. Uh. Superman. Uh. The name 0:21:17.240 --> 0:21:19.440 of the show that I watched was called Adventures of Superman, 0:21:20.000 --> 0:21:22.320 and that was straight up from the nineteen fifties and 0:21:22.359 --> 0:21:25.160 stolen reruns in the mid seventies at least, because that's 0:21:25.160 --> 0:21:27.040 where I watched it. And that was the one starring 0:21:27.840 --> 0:21:33.639 George Reeves um as the not even very muscular and 0:21:33.680 --> 0:21:37.800 slightly tubby Superman. Yeah, like that kind of like fifties fit, 0:21:38.119 --> 0:21:44.320 which chested, chunky and just weird like weirdly shaped. Yeah, 0:21:44.600 --> 0:21:47.239 Like what were they what kind of exercise were they 0:21:47.280 --> 0:21:49.320 doing back then? Well? I don't think they did exercise 0:21:49.320 --> 0:21:51.520 back then. Wasn't that the deal? Oh? Is that what 0:21:51.600 --> 0:21:53.320 it was? Yeah? They were just like, you know, you're 0:21:53.320 --> 0:21:57.120 gonna play Superman, So eat a bunch of steak, right, like, 0:21:58.040 --> 0:22:00.639 buff up a little bit, do some push ups maybe 0:22:01.040 --> 0:22:06.240 so he George Reeve Reeves, He's George Reeves. Christopher Reeve 0:22:06.400 --> 0:22:11.200 is not plurals singular version, right, um. George Reeves became 0:22:11.400 --> 0:22:14.360 synonymous with Superman. Like everybody thought of him as Superman. 0:22:14.600 --> 0:22:19.960 He liked like they he wouldn't be cast in anything else, right, um, 0:22:20.000 --> 0:22:22.639 And he had some He had to put up with 0:22:22.720 --> 0:22:25.440 quite a bit being known as Superman who recognized his Superman. 0:22:25.480 --> 0:22:27.840 Apparently kids would come up and like punch him in 0:22:27.840 --> 0:22:30.360 the stomach to see if he was made of steal there. 0:22:30.960 --> 0:22:33.120 I looked into it. I learned this years ago from 0:22:33.160 --> 0:22:35.760 the Uncle John's bathroom reader. And I looked into and 0:22:35.800 --> 0:22:38.880 I think it actually may be correct. But at one 0:22:39.240 --> 0:22:44.280 like public appearance, he um had to talk a kid 0:22:44.280 --> 0:22:46.600 out of shooting him, like this kid had brought his 0:22:46.680 --> 0:22:51.119 father's loaded thirty eight caliber pistol to shoot Superman to 0:22:51.160 --> 0:22:54.240 see if the bullets really bounced off of him. And 0:22:54.320 --> 0:22:57.879 George Reeve got the kid to put to hand the 0:22:57.920 --> 0:23:00.800 gun over to like a cop or something, because he 0:23:00.880 --> 0:23:03.280 told them that sure, of course the bullet would bounce 0:23:03.280 --> 0:23:06.080 off of him, but it could ricochet and hurt somebody 0:23:06.080 --> 0:23:09.040 else who was standing nearby. Yeah, that was in the 0:23:09.119 --> 0:23:12.280 in the ben Affleck movie Hollywood Land, Is that right? 0:23:12.440 --> 0:23:15.879 Is about George Reeves, And that scene was in the movie. 0:23:17.160 --> 0:23:20.399 He does, yeah, it's it's okay, it's not great, but 0:23:20.480 --> 0:23:22.879 you you lost me at ben Affter. It's not bad. 0:23:23.320 --> 0:23:24.840 But yeah, he talks a kid out of it in 0:23:24.880 --> 0:23:28.480 the in the movie, and um, and as I said, 0:23:28.480 --> 0:23:30.440 exactly what he said, like of course blah blah blah, 0:23:30.440 --> 0:23:32.399 and then he takes it. Then you can see him. 0:23:32.480 --> 0:23:36.800 He's just like God Jesus, like I almost got shot right. Yeah, 0:23:36.880 --> 0:23:40.320 Yeah that was. I can't imagine the relief that would 0:23:40.320 --> 0:23:46.480 wash over you after that. Yeah. So George Reeves, Reeves, Reeves. Yeah, 0:23:46.520 --> 0:23:48.800 he's the plural. It's tough to keep up with it, 0:23:48.920 --> 0:23:51.439