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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know from how Stuff Works

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Speaker 1: dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark,

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Speaker 1: There's Charles W. Chuck Bryant, there's Jerry. Like tongue is

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Speaker 1: super big today for some reason for us, and this

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Speaker 1: is stuff you should know. I know, it's like it

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Speaker 1: sounds like Peter overbeef for God's sake, who's that? You know?

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Speaker 1: That guy's voice anywhere? He's like an MPR reporter and

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Speaker 1: like he he has me even beat for large tongues,

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Speaker 1: candy sucking sound. Do you remember when we first came

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Speaker 1: out and people would write it and be like till

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Speaker 1: Josh stop sucking on candy while these podcasting And I'd

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Speaker 1: just be like, that's my that's my normal voice. Man.

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Speaker 1: At Yeah, I appreciate that. But now now that we're

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Speaker 1: high rollers, they provided me with a private nurse to

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Speaker 1: um suction out the saliva every thirty seconds. Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: and then Jerry has to edit it out. So gross.

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Speaker 1: Gross but true, right, like a cursed movie story. True. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Do you know what? I hated the dentists besides everything, Man,

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Speaker 1: that was a pretty good segue. I hated the dentist.

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Speaker 1: Now you know, you don't have to spit anymore because

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Speaker 1: they do have those suction things, but it's still like

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Speaker 1: I still do the fake swallow, you know how it

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Speaker 1: feels like it builds up in the back of your

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Speaker 1: so like they'll be in your mouth and you'll just

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Speaker 1: go like that. I hate that. It's funny. Do you

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Speaker 1: do that? Does everyone do that? A gag reflex thing? Well,

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Speaker 1: it's not even a gag reflex, is just the hard

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Speaker 1: swallow that it's almost swallow. Yeah, the sort of swallow reflex.

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Speaker 1: If that's such a thing, you feel like you're gonna

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Speaker 1: break your vocal cords or your throat muscles. Hate that,

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Speaker 1: I know what you mean. I don't hate it, though,

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Speaker 1: I think it's kind of yeah, not enjoyable, but I

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Speaker 1: don't know, and I don't know. When they talk to

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Speaker 1: you and talk about they can talk, but yeah, it

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Speaker 1: can't be any questions involved. Maybe rhetorical questions that you

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Speaker 1: can shrug at. My last hygienist I really didn't care for,

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Speaker 1: like that was a personality thing. And they have TVs

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Speaker 1: at my dentists that they'll put down in front of you,

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Speaker 1: and which is fine, I don't really care. But she

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Speaker 1: It was it was really annoying. And then I came

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Speaker 1: new hygenis for me and she was awesome, and on

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Speaker 1: the way out, I was like, by the way, I

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Speaker 1: was like, um, I won't say your name. I was like,

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Speaker 1: but this new hygenas I really like a lot um.

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Speaker 1: She was like what about before? I was like, I

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Speaker 1: let her go because we got all these complaints started

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Speaker 1: I don't want to get anyone fired, but I didn't

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Speaker 1: there was she wasn't good. Huh So, anyway, was this

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Speaker 1: in brooke Haven? Uh? Yeah? Is it brook Haven? How

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Speaker 1: do you know where my dentist is. Well, I just

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Speaker 1: is just small enough for that to be possible. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'll go ahead and shout out my dentist, the great

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Speaker 1: Doctor Darryl Kimchi. She's wonderful kimchi. That's one of my

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Speaker 1: favorite foods. But is that your dentist? Uh No, okay,

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Speaker 1: but it's possible that we're talking about like a hygienius

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Speaker 1: the rounds and buckhead Brookhaven, right, yeah, Dr Darryl Kimchi

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Speaker 1: of Atlanta Cosmetic Sports Dentistry. Wow, that is quite a

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Speaker 1: All right, Well this has got a nice loose start. Indeed, chuck,

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Speaker 1: But let's begin, shall we. Well, yeah, this was written

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Speaker 1: by the Grabster. The article is ten movies that were

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Speaker 1: this was like, God, are you kidding me? I want

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Speaker 1: to write about real stuff, like a satanic panic. But

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Speaker 1: he does love writing about movies. He's definitely a movie guy,

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Speaker 1: especially horror movies, and it seems like more than any

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Speaker 1: or at least the marketing department cooks that up. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's definitely part for the course these days. But there

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Speaker 1: was a more innocent, gentler time when when rumors of

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Speaker 1: You know, it wasn't a pr stunt, right. So, like

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Speaker 1: you said, Ed goes to some trouble to point out

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Speaker 1: Of course, bad things happened on movies. That's of course

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Speaker 1: people died. Like for example, I looked this up right, Um,

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Speaker 1: uh yeah, especially back in those days. But they didn't

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Speaker 1: and actors into another curse he does. He also worked

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Speaker 1: coconuts together for all the horse scenes. Um. But but hold,

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Speaker 1: It was movie starring Errol Flynn and during this cavalry

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Speaker 1: Abviously there was a disaster, right, Yeah, that was It's

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Speaker 1: a curse on your hands. Should we start with Poltergeist? Yes,

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Speaker 1: polter Geist. That's one where people always list this as

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Speaker 1: it was very popular. But Um, Dominic done, nique dominique,

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Speaker 1: Dominic done her father. He was there every day for

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Speaker 1: his life. He became a crusader, it did. Yeah. He

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Speaker 1: Sweeney for years, and he was a chef for a while.

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Speaker 1: He was uh, And I even started tracking him down this.

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Speaker 1: he had changed his name even of course you had,

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Speaker 1: did John Mora, I mean you are, Yeah, we'll keep

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Speaker 1: changing that name, buddy, because it's it's gonna follow you around. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Um then the the Young Girl, And this is like

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Speaker 1: a couple of months after Poulter Guys came out, right,

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Speaker 1: suffered like that because no one knew what was going on.

422
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:02,359
Speaker 1: They just thought it was the blues or you should

423
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:05,680
Speaker 1: just snap out of it. Yeah. Yeah, we we've never

424
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 1: done one on depression. I think we should have. We

425
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:11,719
Speaker 1: not I don't believe we have. Man, Uh, well, then

426
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:16,439
Speaker 1: we should definitely do that. We have the one on cats. Uh.

427
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 1: And then Christopher Reeve played Superman and that is why

428
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 1: some say it as a cursed role because he was

429
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,640
Speaker 1: very sadly injured in a in a horse riding accident

430
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 1: in the mid nineties which lets him paralyze from the

431
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:33,440
Speaker 1: neck down. And he became very much an inspiration to

432
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 1: people because he became an advocate for research into spinal

433
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:42,640
Speaker 1: cord injuries and he went on to direct and even

434
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,119
Speaker 1: acts them as well after that. And it also points

435
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 1: out that after Christopher Reeve died, his wife Dana, who

436
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 1: saw him through this whole thing, Um, she died of

437
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:58,159
Speaker 1: cancer like two years afterward. Yeah. I've just man, I

438
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 1: felt so awful for that family and this kid. Yeah,

439
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 1: I mean just to get like that random, to be

440
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 1: thrown from a horse and then just be paralyzed from

441
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 1: the neck down. Yeah. So you put those two together

442
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:14,639
Speaker 1: and everyone says, well, Superman is a cursed role. What

443
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:18,360
Speaker 1: would what would the Grabsters say? There such thing as curses?

444
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:23,920
Speaker 1: So stupid? The Conqueror is a movie that, like we said,

445
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 1: John Wayne factored in and this one was definitely I

446
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:32,880
Speaker 1: don't know about cursed, but um, well, here's the story.

447
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:37,959
Speaker 1: It is very unlikely that John Wayne would play Mongolian

448
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:41,160
Speaker 1: Genghis Khan. He did, though, but it was Hollywood back

449
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 1: in the day where they just would cast white people

450
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:48,640
Speaker 1: to play whoever, right, um, And he played Genghis Khan.

451
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 1: And they shot the Conqueror in Utah, less than a

452
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty miles from the Nevada Test Site, sorry

453
00:26:56,119 --> 00:27:00,400
Speaker 1: Nevada test site where our own US government set off

454
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 1: eleven nuclear detonations above ground the year before, just in

455
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 1: the year before. Yeah, and that area was crawling with uh,

456
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 1: with bad stuff lingering um fallout in the dirt and

457
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 1: in the the rocks and like everything. It was in

458
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:23,160
Speaker 1: the soil. And they were just running around in their

459
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: filming movies. Yeah. I read this really interesting article in

460
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 1: the Guardian called Hollywood and the down Winders about the

461
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:34,879
Speaker 1: people who lived in that area who suffered tremendously for

462
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 1: health problems from the fallout and the government went to

463
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 1: great links to cover it up and just assured everybody

464
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:45,120
Speaker 1: that there was no danger whatsoever to them, even though

465
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 1: they were there. Their houses and schoolyards were covered in

466
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 1: radioactive ash um and so from filming there when this

467
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 1: production came to town and they filmed there. Yeah, they

468
00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,919
Speaker 1: were exposed to this the same radioactive debris, um and

469
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,399
Speaker 1: dust and dirt that these people who lived in the

470
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 1: area were as well. And as a result, supposedly something

471
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 1: like nine one out of two hundred and twenty cast

472
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 1: and crew members who worked on location for the movie

473
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:21,919
Speaker 1: The Conqueror came down with cancer later on in life,

474
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 1: which is highly unusual statistically speaking. Yeah, that's like forty

475
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:31,119
Speaker 1: something percent of the crew and um. Years later, and

476
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 1: People magazine in ninety actually did a special report on

477
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 1: that movie in the cancer connection, like John Wayne, Agnes moorehead,

478
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 1: Jean Jean Gerson, Susan Hayward, the director, Dick Powell, they

479
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 1: all died of cancer. And in that People magazine, Uh,

480
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 1: Dr Robert C. Pendleton, he was director of radiological health

481
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 1: at the University of Utah, said that, like this would

482
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 1: hold up in a court of law. That's such an

483
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 1: outstanding number of people. Yeah, and apparently not even um,

484
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: just the people who worked on the production. It came

485
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 1: to be known The Conqueror came to be known by

486
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 1: the way, it's considered one of the best bad movies

487
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 1: of the Golden Age. Of Hollywood. Um, but people who

488
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 1: visited the set battle cancer later in life. To both

489
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: of John Wayne's sons who came to visit him. There's

490
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: a famous picture of him with two of his sons

491
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 1: and a guy using a Geiger counter on set. Um.

492
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 1: Both of his son's head cancer later in life too.

493
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 1: But supposedly the family uh and Dick Powell's son Norman,

494
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 1: who's interviewed in that article I read, they discount the

495
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 1: idea that it was that that people got cancer from

496
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 1: that test site. They say, maybe it was a contributing factor,

497
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 1: but these people all smoked heavily ate steaks like eight

498
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 1: times a day, um, and that they had a lot

499
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 1: of other risk factors that probably led to it. But

500
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 1: it's also entirely possible that they may not have died

501
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 1: of cancer as early had they not filmed at that site.

502
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 1: Well that Dr Robert Pendleton's said essentially, this is about

503
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 1: three times the rate of cancer that you would expect,

504
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 1: So right, I think that it definitely contributed. It's pretty curious.

505
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 1: I want to see it. Have you ever seen The Conqueror?

506
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 1: I gotta see this. I've seen pictures of John Wayne

507
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: is as uh Genghis Khan. Yeah, it's pretty pretty cringe. Yeah,

508
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 1: super racist, but apparently, like even if you take all

509
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 1: that away, just like the dialogue is awful. Like the

510
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 1: whole premise of it is he kidnaps a woman and

511
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 1: forces her to marry him, and of course romance blossoms

512
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 1: as a result. You know, it's just the usual stuff

513
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 1: from the fifties. The Omen. Yes, this is a good

514
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 1: one because, um, this is one of those where it's

515
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 1: a movie about the devil, and so all these stories

516
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 1: are going to be heightened, right because it's um kind

517
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 1: of like poulter Geist. Like it wouldn't if this was

518
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: when Harry met Sally and then some of the stuff

519
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 1: happened that when Harry met Sally was cursed with great laughs,

520
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 1: it was I love that movie. One of the few

521
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: romantic comedies that were legit good movies. Yeah, you know,

522
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 1: so let's let's go back to the beginning of this one. Obviously,

523
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 1: the omen everyone knows was the great movie from about

524
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 1: the Antichrist taking um, well not I guess possession you

525
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 1: could call it. But it's not like an exorcist thing. Basically,

526
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 1: the Antichrist is this little boy he drmes back as

527
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 1: a little boy. Yeah yeah, and uh a bad, bad,

528
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 1: naughty little boy Damien who dresses like Angus Young. Ah yeah, sure, okay.

529
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:52,239
Speaker 1: So Um Damien is adopted by Gregory Peck in the

530
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 1: movie UM, and in real life, Gregory Peck's son Um

531
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: killed himself. He died by suicide, apparently out of the blue,

532
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 1: no suicide note or anything like that. And this was

533
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 1: before production had started, but after Peck had agreed to

534
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 1: do the movie, and he still went ahead and did

535
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 1: the movie. Um. He left the US and went to London,

536
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 1: and even even on the way to London, before he

537
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: even got to London to start shooting, something happened to him. Right, yeah,

538
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 1: he said, I'm gonna get on a plane and fly

539
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: to London. His plane was struck by lightning, right, and

540
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: the producer's plane was struck by lightning separately. This are

541
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 1: two different, two different planes struck by lightning on the

542
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: way to start shooting in London. So this curse things

543
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 1: being on legit this time. This is the one that

544
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: even Ed got a little shaky on. If you asked me,

545
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 1: how about this The hotel where they stayed at least

546
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 1: where the producer and some other folks stayed was bombed

547
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: by the Irish Republican Army. Yeah, Hilton, the London Hilton.

548
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 1: I don't know about a curse in that case, because

549
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 1: the mid seventies there's a lot of that going on. Yeah,

550
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: the Iria was bombing all sorts of stuff back then.

551
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 1: So it was like a restaurant where the crew and

552
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: the cats went to eat one night. Yeah, they were

553
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 1: about to go eat there. So there's actually like all

554
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 1: these close calls actually make it seem like this this

555
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 1: movie production wasn't cursed, but instead was actually being looked

556
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 1: out for on high by the dark Lord. Right. So

557
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: like the the crew that we was going to go

558
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 1: to dinner, um didn't go to dinner. They didn't make

559
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 1: it there in time for the bombing. The people who

560
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,479
Speaker 1: were staying in the hotel when it was bombed weren't

561
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: there yet. Um. There are a lot of close calls,

562
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 1: but there was one close call that really is is

563
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 1: just mind numbing. I would have freaked out had I

564
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: been one of the people involved. The private jet. Yeah,

565
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 1: so they chartered a private jet to um fly them

566
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 1: around London to get some good aerial footage of London,

567
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: and at the last minute, the charter service switched planes

568
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: who accommodate a group of Japanese businessmen. Well, the plane

569
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: that that the Japanese businessman took that the crew was

570
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 1: supposed to be on crashed on takeoff, actually crashed into

571
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 1: a car and killed everybody on board the plane and

572
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: everybody in the car crashed into How about that? And

573
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,359
Speaker 1: this is like a last minute switched to supposedly. Yeah,

574
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: those make you think, yeah that I mean cursor, No,

575
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 1: just knowing that you were that close, So just that

576
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 1: get you. How about this? A worker there was an

577
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: animal animal sanctuary where they filmed, and a worker there

578
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: was killed by a tiger. That one, uh I think

579
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 1: I think that was the actual animal wrangler for the

580
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 1: movie was killed. Yeah, which makes it even closer. This

581
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 1: is the one, though, Chuck, you gotta take this one home.

582
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 1: This is the one that really gets everybody, even though

583
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: I think it's like a lot of it's made up. Yeah,

584
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: there was a car crash with John Richardson, who was

585
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 1: a special effects worker. He designed the effects for the omen,

586
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:05,839
Speaker 1: including a very famous decapitation scene towards the end. Yes,

587
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,760
Speaker 1: very famous, And uh I thought that was at the beginning,

588
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 1: was at the beginning, I think so. I think it's

589
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,439
Speaker 1: how open if I remember, but it's been a while

590
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 1: either way. Um, he was in Holland after working on

591
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 1: a movie called A Bridge Too Far, and he was

592
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 1: involved in a head on collision in his car and

593
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 1: was injured. But his assistant Liz Moore was decapitated and

594
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: killed in that car wreck. And he claims, and I

595
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 1: don't know if this is lore or not, it sounds laurish.

596
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 1: It does sound laurish, but he claims that he awoke

597
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 1: from that crash and looked up and there was a

598
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 1: street sign where they crashed, that's at the distance to

599
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: the next town, and it was the town of omen

600
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 1: O m N e N at a distance of six

601
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 1: six point six kilometers. Bam. Now is that true. There's

602
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 1: no way it's true, because I looked up on the

603
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 1: internet that sign trying to find any picture of that sign.

604
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: If that sign existed, there would be so many pictures

605
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 1: from tourists taking taking photos of it on the internet.

606
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 1: There's not a single one. Do you think from back

607
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 1: then those pictures will still be around? Uh, the sign

608
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: would probably be still be around. Well. See, I think

609
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 1: that's the presumption that may not be true, like they

610
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 1: may have taken the sign down for that reason. Maybe

611
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: I guess that's possible, but no picture of it whatsoever

612
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 1: that no AP photographer went, I gotta get a picture

613
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 1: of that sign. Nobody did that. There's no existing photo

614
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 1: of Yeah, that's the one that makes me think like that.

615
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 1: Although there is a town called Omen in the Netherlands,

616
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,919
Speaker 1: so it's entirely possible that crash took place by there,

617
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: so that checks out. That definitely checks out. So we're

618
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: gonna take a break, everybody, we just decided, but we're

619
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 1: gonna be right back, so don't worry because we're gonna

620
00:36:51,520 --> 00:37:15,800
Speaker 1: talk some more about Chris movies. All right, We're back

621
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: as I promised, and we're on the Brainstorm, which I

622
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: think Ed was just kind of showing off with this

623
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 1: one because he even says, like, you're not going to

624
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 1: find this on many lists of curse movies. Yeah, I'm

625
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 1: not sure I get the curse in this one, but

626
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,959
Speaker 1: we'll talk about it. Brainstorm was the Night three sci

627
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 1: fi movie um most famously known as being the Great

628
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:39,839
Speaker 1: Natalie Wood's final film, right because she died in real

629
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 1: life after the movie obviously, uh when she drowned after

630
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 1: being out on a boat one night partying with her

631
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 1: husband Robert Wagner in her co star Christopher walkin right

632
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: under some say, many say mysterious circumstances. Yeah. I was

633
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 1: reading up about that ace and they apparently have been

634
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 1: drinking since at least four in the afternoon, and they

635
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: made it back to the boat pretty late, and they've

636
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 1: been drinking um through dinner. They were all just pretty

637
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 1: pretty crocked, right. Um. And supposedly Natalie Wood was either

638
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: afraid of water and or couldn't swim um, And for

639
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 1: some reason she had had tried to get into a

640
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: dinghy that was attached to the boat that they were

641
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 1: staying on, and uh probably hit her head and drowned. Um.

642
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 1: That's the story. That's the official story, right. But apparently

643
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: in two thousand twelve it was reopened um or her

644
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:44,919
Speaker 1: cause of death was was changed from accident to um undetermined. Yeah.

645
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 1: I mean there were stories that she and Robert Wagner

646
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: had been fighting, that the captain, even many years later,

647
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 1: said that he actually killed her. No charges were ever

648
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: brought um. Christopher Walking for his I think he's never

649
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 1: talked about it publicly. If I'm not mistaken. Know. He

650
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 1: finally did years and years later in a Playboy interview,

651
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 1: and he basically said it was it must have been

652
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: an accident that no one knows, but it was she

653
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 1: surely it was aid. That was what he said, And

654
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:12,839
Speaker 1: that's probably the only thing he said, because I didn't

655
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:17,879
Speaker 1: think he ever said anything. Yeah. Uh, he said it's

656
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 1: an accident. Clearly that it was great. Um that because

657
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 1: that was that was Christopher Walkin with just a hint

658
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 1: of John Travolta. Yes, what's a little Trivolta esk um?

659
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,360
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean that's tied to Brainstorm as being

660
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 1: a curse, I guess because they were both in the movie. Um,

661
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,839
Speaker 1: even though the grabster points out that some people tied

662
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 1: this back to a Rubble without a Cause curse, because

663
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 1: that makes way more sense to me. Yeah, because James

664
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 1: Dean and salmenio Um and Natalie Wood then all died

665
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 1: from that movie relatively young. She she made it the longest.

666
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 1: She was in her early forties, I think when she died.

667
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 1: But James Dean died very young in a car crash

668
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: right after Rebel without a Cause was released. I think yeah,

669
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 1: And I think wouldn't Samnio murder. He was murdered in

670
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy six, um at a pretty young age. Still um.

671
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 1: He was stabbed to death in the heart and an

672
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 1: ali behind his house. Yes, I have pizza man to me.

673
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 1: Oh really yeah, huh, it's so weird. Well it is,

674
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 1: but I mean we're talking about curses so well. I

675
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 1: mean usually the pizza man gets stabbed, you know what

676
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,760
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I think this guy was actually a serial

677
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: killing pizza man. Yeah, I just saw recently. Is is

678
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 1: there a serial killer in like central Florida? I don't know.

679
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 1: I hadn't heard anything. But aren't there like at least

680
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 1: fifty serial killers operating in any given point in time.

681
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:49,839
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I do. I do know that

682
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:53,320
Speaker 1: I saw something that I heard that like three murders

683
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 1: in the Tampa area were just linked. Oh man, I think,

684
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 1: And that made me think. It's been a while. Yeah,

685
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 1: you don't hear about him very often, But as I

686
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: grow older and wiser, I'm starting to think, like there's

687
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 1: a lot more serial killers out there than you would imagine. That,

688
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 1: like human life has very little value to more people

689
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 1: than you would hope. You know that the darkest thing

690
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 1: you can think of. It's pretty dark. The last high

691
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 1: profile when I remember is b t K. But surely

692
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: there's been one since then, right, Yeah, because he was

693
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 1: like early two thousand's right, I know, but I can't

694
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 1: think of one. I can't either, man, But it's been

695
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,839
Speaker 1: a long time since. You know, we've heard of like

696
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Dahmer's and man that was sad Bundyes and stuff

697
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, thankfully, sure, the Son of Sam's and

698
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 1: the Zodiacs. It seems like the seventies and eighties were

699
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 1: sort of the time where that was happening more. Yeah,

700
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 1: I don't know why. Maybe it was harder to get

701
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 1: away with it or easier to get away with it,

702
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 1: or I'm listening to that Heaven's Gate podcast. Have you

703
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 1: heard I haven't heard that. No, it's good. It's from

704
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 1: our buddy Chris Bannon over at mid Roll put it

705
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 1: out and um is he hosting it? No? No, no,

706
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 1: Glenn Washington narrates it. But having through three episodes now,

707
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,760
Speaker 1: it's really good. But it's kind of funny, man, that

708
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 1: that's time of the sixties and seventies. It was just

709
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 1: and we talked about it some in our Cults episode.

710
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 1: It was people just believed more in trying stuff out

711
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: like that and UFOs and it was all just kind

712
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: of in the in the mainstream and it just all

713
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 1: seems so unbelievable now, but back then it wasn't. It

714
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 1: was kind of believable that someone might join up with

715
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 1: the cult. Well, a lot of people were on Grass

716
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: back then. On the Grass. That's crazy. I gotta hear that.

717
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 1: It's good podcast, man, that's that's just a fascinating story.

718
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 1: But now that means we can't do Heaven's Kate because

719
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:52,359
Speaker 1: Bannon did it. Yeah, and then they did. You know,

720
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 1: you can't cover in forty five minutes what they cover

721
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 1: in whatever ten episodes? Sounds about right. I'm not sure

722
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:00,839
Speaker 1: I haven't done. I don't think released all at once,

723
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 1: but it feels like a ten let's say seven to ten.

724
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 1: So anyway, can we close on brainstorm or are we

725
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 1: still did we miss something? Yeah? I think yeah. I

726
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 1: mean Natalie Wood's murders or death death sorry is unsolved,

727
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 1: still in its mystery may always be. I had no

728
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 1: idea about that about Robert Wagner. I just knew Natalie

729
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 1: Wood drowned. I'd never heard anything about it being mysterious. Yeah,

730
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 1: it's it's long been mysterious, and well here's how we'll

731
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:33,360
Speaker 1: finish it. Then she wasn't even able to finish filming

732
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 1: on that movie. And they did use a body double

733
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:42,399
Speaker 1: to complete some of those scenes. It was a big flop. Yeah, yes,

734
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 1: it was okay, Chuck. So for the last one, then

735
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 1: we're gonna combine two together. Strangely, they are almost the

736
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 1: same story, but with two different films, and both of

737
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 1: them were films that were never made or have yet

738
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 1: to be made, I guess is a better way to

739
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: put it. The first one is a confederacy of Dunce's

740
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 1: the film adaptation of John kennedy Tools book. Um, I

741
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: guess novel. Yeah, I've never read it. I really want

742
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 1: to have, just never read it for some reason. Yeah,

743
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: it's a classic, classic book and very sadly Tool killed

744
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 1: himself in nineteen sixty nine and the book was not

745
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,360
Speaker 1: out yet. And part of the reason he killed himself

746
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 1: is because he he could not achieve success as a writer.

747
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,240
Speaker 1: His mother gets it published, it wins a Pulitzer Prize

748
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:36,240
Speaker 1: in one and uh, posthumously he became a famous author. Yeah.

749
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 1: So people when it first was published in the early eighties.

750
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:41,760
Speaker 1: People were like, oh, we've got to turn this into

751
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 1: a movie. This is a great idea, A great book

752
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 1: will be a great movie. And they said, who could

753
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 1: who can possibly play the main character? Belushi? He'd be perfect.

754
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:56,439
Speaker 1: Belushi dies, Well, who's next. Let's let's wait a few

755
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 1: years and let's see who else could play this main character?

756
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 1: John Candy, John Carry, John Candy died. Okay, all right,

757
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 1: everybody else, just take a breather. We'll wait a year

758
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 1: or two. Who's the next guy who's gonna play this?

759
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 1: I got it? This young up and comer named Chris Farley.

760
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 1: Chris Farley die. So a confederacy of Dunce has just

761
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 1: kept getting put off and off and off right, and

762
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 1: then finally Will Farrell steps in, and it looks like

763
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:28,240
Speaker 1: it's going to happen because Will Farrell is obviously indestructible,

764
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:32,800
Speaker 1: right yeah, And if you if you haven't gathered by

765
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 1: hearing the people cast uh as ignacious, Riley he was.

766
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 1: He was a heavy man in the book. So obviously Belushi, Candy,

767
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:44,359
Speaker 1: and Farley were all big dudes. And they all die.

768
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 1: So finally to go to Farrell and they're like, well,

769
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 1: he's in shape, and we can bulk him up. Maybe

770
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 1: you some special effects. I have no idea, but at

771
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 1: least he's he's probably not gonna drop dead of a

772
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 1: heart attack or something, right, He was a safe bet. Yeah,

773
00:45:56,440 --> 00:46:00,120
Speaker 1: but that didn't happen either. Um. I think it was

774
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 1: sort of in turnaround forever. It took a long time

775
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 1: in development, and eventually Um the head of the Louisiana

776
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 1: State Film Commission. It set in New Orleans, so they

777
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 1: would have shot there. He was murdered, and Hurricane Katrina

778
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 1: came along to wipe out a lot of where the

779
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:20,879
Speaker 1: film would be shot, and so I think that kind

780
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 1: of just helped to put it on indefinite hold at

781
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 1: the very least. But they are I just saw I

782
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 1: was looking this up see if it was back on track,

783
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 1: and I saw there's a movie called The Butterfly and

784
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 1: the Typewriter about John Kennedy Tool. So they're doing a

785
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:40,280
Speaker 1: biopic on him with um Thomas Mann. Now, uh, Thomas

786
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 1: Man playing Tool? Who's he? He's an actor, right, obviously,

787
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: but what has he been? The thing that I saw

788
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 1: him in was a movie out a couple of years

789
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 1: ago called Me and Earl and the Dying Girl. It's good,

790
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 1: good little indie films. He's he's good, so he's playing tool.

791
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 1: And then I think Susan Surandon places his mom um

792
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 1: and Diane Krueger's in it as well. So a and

793
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 1: Susan Sarandon's gonna totally try to date him to I'll

794
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 1: bet why would you say that? Oh she likes younger dudes.

795
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, maybe I have a shot. She likes young

796
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: hipster dudes, no way younger than you, my friend. Good

797
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 1: for her. I love Susan Srandon, so oh yeah, more

798
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: power true. I think she's great. Um, but she is

799
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:26,399
Speaker 1: totally going to try to date Thomas Man. Well, good

800
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 1: for him too. Then, um, I'm not being judge, no,

801
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 1: I know. Okay, So then that's um a confederacy of dunces. Right, yes,

802
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 1: there's another script out there called A Took that has

803
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 1: virtually the same story to it, right um, but the

804
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 1: the story is totally different, But the cursed story is

805
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:48,839
Speaker 1: is virtually the same with a Took. It's like a

806
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 1: fish out of Water movie about an Inuit man who

807
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:55,319
Speaker 1: um comes to New York and has to make his

808
00:47:55,360 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: way in the big city. Right yes, Um, that script

809
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 1: was early on, it was optioned um and John Belushi

810
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 1: was scheduled to play the main character. Right, Well, what

811
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 1: happened to John Belushi? He died? So who was up next?

812
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:18,320
Speaker 1: Chuck John Candy? Isn't that crazy? Okay? Well, John Candy passed.

813
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:21,800
Speaker 1: God God dressed his soul. Who was after John Kennedy

814
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 1: Chris Farley? That's right, Chris Farley. And so the narrative

815
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:30,399
Speaker 1: to this curse story takes a huge sudden turn when

816
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 1: the next person up after Chris Farley is Sam Kennison. Yes,

817
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 1: and Sam Kennison they were actually I mean they're actually

818
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 1: gonna make the movie. It was happening, and Sam Kennison

819
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:46,839
Speaker 1: kind of destroyed that because he wanted to He want

820
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 1: to be really heavily involved in the script re rights,

821
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 1: on the direction of the film. He wanted creative control.

822
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 1: He battled with the studio. I think there may have

823
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 1: even been lawsuits going on, and he eventually got to

824
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 1: the point where he was like, you know what if

825
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:03,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna if you're not gonna give me creative control,

826
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 1: I'll be in your movie and I'll I'll suck on purpose,

827
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 1: on purpose. And they said, oh yeah, we're gonna sue you,

828
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 1: and he said, oh, yeah, right, and then he died

829
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:18,840
Speaker 1: in a car wreck before anything could happen as a result.

830
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 1: So I took for the moment died with him again.

831
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 1: In't that bizarre? It is the idea that those two

832
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 1: things crossed over like that that one. Obviously it's not

833
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 1: a curse, but I think that it's pretty interesting at

834
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 1: the very least. Well, if you guys want to know

835
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 1: more about movie curses, just go start watching movies and

836
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 1: ask people or is this one cursed? And then if

837
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 1: they say no, go watch another one and ask about that,

838
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:47,320
Speaker 1: and then eventually someone will say yes, this one's cursed,

839
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 1: and then ask them the story behind. And in the meantime, Uh,

840
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 1: Since I said all that, it's time for a listener. Now,

841
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 1: I'm gonna call this just a very kind email from

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Speaker 1: a kind I'll see nice. Hey, guys, discovered your show

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Speaker 1: a couple of months ago, and I reckon I have

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Speaker 1: listened to two or three podcasts a day since then.

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Speaker 1: I absolutely love you guys, and to say that your

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Speaker 1: show is addictive would be an understatement. Until very recently,

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Speaker 1: I was a news junkie. I live in Melbourne, Australia

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Speaker 1: and would listen to Radio National at every opportunity, but

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Speaker 1: since Brexit in the recent US election, listening to the

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Speaker 1: news and current affairs has become a health hazard for me.

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Speaker 1: I also have two youngest children, eleven and nine, and

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Speaker 1: having grown up in the shadow of the mushroom cloud myself,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to subject my kids to the same fear.

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Speaker 1: So finding your podcast has been a true joy. I

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Speaker 1: love how enthusiastic and optimistic you both are about everything,

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Speaker 1: and your curiosity is truly infectious, isn't it. You were

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Speaker 1: so gloriously accepting of different ideas and cultures. And I've

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Speaker 1: even adopted Chuck's I don't want to yunck someone else's yum, which,

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Speaker 1: by the way, bridget I did not to make that up.

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Speaker 1: Now that was another listener who's from but we love

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Speaker 1: to say it, uh, And I'm glad you've adopted that.

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Speaker 1: But I love the podcast so much. I've got my

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Speaker 1: husband and kids into it as well. And my husband

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Speaker 1: is a radio ham listen to your episode on Ham

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Speaker 1: Radio together. He was impressed with your efforts. Keep it up, guys,

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Speaker 1: and thank you for all the joint information you brought

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Speaker 1: to my life. Cheers as from Bridget Foster and Melbourne

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Speaker 1: cheers with some Fosters. And I'll tell you what, Bridget,

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Speaker 1: We're coming to Melbourne in September of next year for shows. Yep.

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Speaker 1: And you right in with a friendly reminder and you

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Speaker 1: and your family can get on the old guest list.

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Speaker 1: How about that awesome man, Chuck, you're the guy. You're

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Speaker 1: the guy. They're your passes too, all right? Cool? Well,

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Speaker 1: thank you the out, thanks Allot, Bridget. It was Bridget

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Speaker 1: you for writing in. And if you want to get

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Speaker 1: in touch with us, like Bridget did, you can tweet

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