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Speaker 2: I'm a friggin I'm a jack of all trades. You

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Speaker 1: It's uh, it's pretty breathtaking to watch. You're an art dealer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for those of you that don't know, sold a

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Speaker 2: But I did did facilitate a bit of an arts

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Speaker 1: Are you at all able to disclose the artist?

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's actually one of Racket magazines cover girls. Let's

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Speaker 2: the cover artists for Racket magazine. And of course it

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Speaker 2: is the one and only, wonderful Deborah Roberts.

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Speaker 1: Debra Roberts, issue number ten. I got this. The piece

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Speaker 1: how are becoming art collectors? Yes, and Debora Roberts is

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Speaker 1: one of the artists they collect. Yeah, thanks maybe to you.

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Speaker 2: No, definitely, I had nothing to do with that in

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Speaker 2: with her collaboration with the NBA. But yes, sir, Jack

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Speaker 1: And you sold the piece of art on behalf of

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Speaker 1: Debbora Roberts to a tennis player, to an athlete. Okay,

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Speaker 2: putting it on my wall. So if you have the money,

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Speaker 2: go and buy one of Deborah Roberts's pieces, because you

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Speaker 2: And has quite the art collection. He's got a busk

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Speaker 1: Wall number issue number eighteen.

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Speaker 1: Excellent barista, You've made me a very delicious cup.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Caitlin. A lot of people on Twitter or

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Speaker 2: know we're going down that rabbit hole, Caitlin.

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Speaker 2: no guarantees. Clearly we know those two go at it

435
00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:11,920
Speaker 2: every time they play, but also go into the semifinals

436
00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:14,960
Speaker 2: with tons of confidence knowing you hadn't lost. There's no

437
00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:19,200
Speaker 2: guarantees that Novak was going to beat Alcoraz and so

438
00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:21,840
Speaker 2: so I think he went into it with the right attitude,

439
00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:23,800
Speaker 2: which is I want to win every match. Also, he

440
00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:25,760
Speaker 2: would have won twice as much money if he'd won

441
00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:27,720
Speaker 2: the time. Everyone's like, well, he lost in the final now,

442
00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:29,840
Speaker 2: so he didn't win that money. It's like, that's not

443
00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:32,040
Speaker 2: the point to be a champion. You have to beat

444
00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:33,560
Speaker 2: the best, and if you have to beat him twice

445
00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:34,960
Speaker 2: in one week, you have to beat him twice in

446
00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:35,280
Speaker 2: one week.

447
00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:39,359
Speaker 1: Although, let's be honest, even sinner, having executed that incredible

448
00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:41,639
Speaker 1: match against Novak, you got to know, when you go

449
00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,800
Speaker 1: up against Novak twice in the same week, it's going

450
00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:46,760
Speaker 1: to take the match of lifetime to bin once.

451
00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:48,520
Speaker 2: It's the same thing with what happened with Hallip. And

452
00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:51,160
Speaker 2: you know, it's funny because I'm trying to think if

453
00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:53,639
Speaker 2: Darren was coaching Hallep at the same time, because Hallap

454
00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:57,160
Speaker 2: beat Serena. It's right in the round robin at the

455
00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:59,639
Speaker 2: WTA finals. I can't remember where it was was that

456
00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:04,080
Speaker 2: the single maybe in Istanbul, No, I can't remember, but

457
00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:06,960
Speaker 2: I don't know. And then she had to play her again.

458
00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:08,320
Speaker 2: I think he might have been in Istanbul. And then

459
00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:10,040
Speaker 2: she had to play her again and lost, of course,

460
00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:12,360
Speaker 2: and everyone's like, well you shouldn't because she I think

461
00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:14,480
Speaker 2: she may have had a similar situation where she could

462
00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,439
Speaker 2: have lost a match and prevented Serena getting in. But

463
00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:21,280
Speaker 2: I'm like, first of all, a champion's attitude is now

464
00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:24,440
Speaker 2: you have the respect of every single top player knowing

465
00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:27,000
Speaker 2: that you wouldn't do something like that, that your integrity

466
00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:30,840
Speaker 2: is there, it's in check. You busted your ass, you

467
00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,320
Speaker 2: played a great semi final, then when you played Medvedev.

468
00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:35,520
Speaker 2: Now you've got a couple of winning matches against Medvedev,

469
00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:37,520
Speaker 2: who you didn't have a winning record against before. So

470
00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:39,919
Speaker 2: now every time he goes to play Medvedev, feels really

471
00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:43,120
Speaker 2: good about himself. Next time he plays Holgaruna feels really

472
00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:45,640
Speaker 2: good about himself. When he goes to play Novak next time,

473
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:47,760
Speaker 2: He's gonna learn a lot from that final. And I

474
00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:51,439
Speaker 2: have to think that he was probably no offense, but

475
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:53,639
Speaker 2: fucking exhausted all the time he gets to that final

476
00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:58,959
Speaker 2: as well. Is so used to finishing tournaments, you know.

477
00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:02,439
Speaker 2: And if he had tank to Rune, everyone would have said, oh,

478
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,200
Speaker 2: if he won the tournament, world it's because he tanked

479
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,560
Speaker 2: against Runa. So you know what, the guy couldn't win

480
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 2: either way. I'm proud of him for busting his ass

481
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,240
Speaker 2: and trying as hard as he could. And Novak was

482
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,440
Speaker 2: just too good. I mean Novak taking out al Karaz

483
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:17,639
Speaker 2: and Sinner back to back in straight sets, yeah.

484
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:19,280
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, didn't look like he was sweating

485
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:19,520
Speaker 1: to her.

486
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:23,240
Speaker 2: I mean, let's so so I want to give major

487
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:26,760
Speaker 2: props to, you know, Janick Sinner and his entire team.

488
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:28,840
Speaker 2: What a great week, what a great couple of months,

489
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:32,560
Speaker 2: like winning a bunch of tournaments, winning another ATP one thousand,

490
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,680
Speaker 2: going into the ATP finals is one of the favorites

491
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 2: and really showing unbelievable form. And let me tell you something,

492
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:40,879
Speaker 2: He's going to be really hard to beat in Austrain

493
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,200
Speaker 2: at the Strain Open, and I think this week, even

494
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 2: though he lost in the final, will give him so

495
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:48,399
Speaker 2: much confidence going into the next Grand Slam. He's going

496
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:50,560
Speaker 2: to have a great support in Australia, you know, with

497
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 2: his collaboration obviously with Darren Cahill, just like Hallop did.

498
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,360
Speaker 2: So I'm looking forward to his future. There's no doubt

499
00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 2: in my mind he's going to be number one in

500
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:00,320
Speaker 2: the world in the next couple of years. He will

501
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:02,200
Speaker 2: absolutely win a Grand Slam and I think he can

502
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,920
Speaker 2: win one next year. So props to Sinner. Great guy

503
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 2: and he improved so much.

504
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:09,920
Speaker 1: We have to say though, I mean Novak.

505
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:14,359
Speaker 2: Oh forget it, yeah, seal the deal just greatest player

506
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:18,240
Speaker 2: of all time. What eighth year finishing number one in

507
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:22,560
Speaker 2: the world. It's just absolutely bonkers. Seventh win at the

508
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,160
Speaker 2: ATV Finals, which is arguably the toughest tournament to win,

509
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,440
Speaker 2: beating everybody that you have to that's top eight in

510
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 2: the world, Three Grand Slam championships, this major titles this year,

511
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:36,440
Speaker 2: loses just a heartbreaker. Maybe if he makes that what's

512
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 2: it swinging volley in the tiebreak of Wimbledon, maybe he

513
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 2: wins all four again in a year. He's just the

514
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 2: greatest player. His consistency at Grand Slam level, his number

515
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 2: one ranking.

516
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,639
Speaker 1: His ability to finish tournaments, it's unbelievable. Yeah, it's unbelievable.

517
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:52,200
Speaker 1: He gets better, gets better.

518
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,160
Speaker 2: Like honestly, he gets better at the nets. He's gotten

519
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 2: better at the net over the last few years. I

520
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,200
Speaker 2: mean he's serving him, volleying, he's coming in. He made

521
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 2: some unbelievable volleys on big points this week. His speed

522
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 2: around the court is still second to arguably no. One.

523
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:07,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy.

524
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 2: I mean he's probably on par with Alcoraz and I

525
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,639
Speaker 2: think Cinnamus as well as anybody has at his height.

526
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 2: But there is just no weakness in his game. None. Mentally,

527
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:21,639
Speaker 2: he's stronger than everybody. Physically, he's arguably as good as anyone,

528
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 2: if not better than half of these guys. It's just

529
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:29,200
Speaker 2: unreal how much better he gets. I think he can

530
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 2: do this for another.

531
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 1: Two years, seems like it. I Mean, the other thing

532
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 1: that sort of strikes me watching Novak is just the

533
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 1: unbelievable mental and sort of vision rare air that you

534
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 1: have to live in where you're only just pushing yourself

535
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:50,360
Speaker 1: now because you've seen him in every context, be compared

536
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 1: to everybody else in the field, obviously the other two

537
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 1: he came up against, obviously all the young guns, and

538
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,399
Speaker 1: everybody's trying to make an interesting storyline out of this.

539
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:00,439
Speaker 1: And the truth is, when he's at the height of

540
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 1: his powers, barring a miss, he doesn't miss. And so

541
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:09,919
Speaker 1: there is such an interesting mental strength in the self

542
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 1: motivation it takes to be consistently the best even when

543
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 1: you're not getting pushed, which is not to say people

544
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 1: didn't push him. Obviously he lost a match at this tournament.

545
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:20,119
Speaker 1: Obviously he lost a match in one of the finals

546
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,120
Speaker 1: of the Grand Slams this year. But I just there's

547
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 1: something like sort of Jordan ask about kind of making

548
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 1: your own records and holding yourself against performance. And I

549
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,360
Speaker 1: think that's what's that's the context you have to view

550
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 1: Novak in at least at the end of this season,

551
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 1: watching him win three out of four tournaments, where he's

552
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 1: just kind of he's comparing himself to himself.

553
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 2: Only well, yeah, I mean now he's breaking only his

554
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:47,400
Speaker 2: own records. I would say that arguably these guys are

555
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:51,159
Speaker 2: pushing him. I think the Runa's, the Sinners, and clearly

556
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:56,119
Speaker 2: the alcoraz Is at Grand Slam level absolutely pushing him, yeah,

557
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,120
Speaker 2: to be better. And I think that's actually making him

558
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:02,719
Speaker 2: better because now he knows, Okay, they're they're they They

559
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 2: hit the ball as well as I do. They move

560
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,880
Speaker 2: as well as I do. Some of them serve as

561
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 2: well as I do, some of them move forward as

562
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:11,880
Speaker 2: well as I do, all of those things. So they're

563
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 2: all trying to sort of emulate him in being as

564
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 2: solid as he is in every aspect of the game.

565
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:17,719
Speaker 1: Right.

566
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 2: But I think just the difference maker is the fact

567
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 2: that sorry, I was like, what is going on in

568
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 2: my apartment? I think the difference maker with him is

569
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 2: the mentality. Now he knows that he can win, he

570
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 2: doesn't doubt himself at any time in a match, whereas

571
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,159
Speaker 2: these guys are still learning to not doubt themselves in

572
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 2: these moments.

573
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 1: Sure, And so that's because one of the you know,

574
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,239
Speaker 1: the most important tools we can possibly have, whether we're

575
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,400
Speaker 1: faith in ourselves. Faith in ourselves. Yeah, and I think

576
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 1: you just you know, you see how powerful it is

577
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,160
Speaker 1: not only for your own motivation, but it's such such

578
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,159
Speaker 1: a demotivator for everybody else and.

579
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 2: You and you know, as a great player, and I

580
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 2: can't even minutely put myself into Novak's brain or how

581
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 2: good he is. But just like even in the small

582
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 2: little time that you know, for example, Lisa Raymond and

583
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,360
Speaker 2: I we were going through a period there we won

584
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 2: a lot of tournaments in the row. We around seventeen

585
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 2: tournaments in like two years, and I remember Lisa and

586
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 2: I saying to each other when it got down to

587
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,159
Speaker 2: like four all or five four and the third you know,

588
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 2: it was close. There was one moment where we actually

589
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 2: said to each other, look, we know that they feel

590
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 2: like they've got to play extra special to beat us

591
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 2: at this point, and they did. And I remember, I

592
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,680
Speaker 2: think she said it to me, and I remember thinking, yeah,

593
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,959
Speaker 2: you're right, And that's the difference when you're called of zoning.

594
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 2: I mean, he's been zoning for almost twenty years now.

595
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 2: But when you get into that rarefied air of not

596
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 2: losing a lot, you start to know that people think

597
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 2: they've got to play actually better than they do. And

598
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 2: you know, if you play at your ninety five percent,

599
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 2: which is what Novak does all the time, it's like

600
00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 2: they feel like they've got to play one hundred and

601
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 2: ten percent. Yn't do that, that's not possible. So when

602
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 2: you learn and I think that's what maybe Alcaaz learned

603
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 2: when he played him at Wimbledon, He's like, look, if

604
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 2: I play my best tennis, I have a chance. And

605
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 2: so rather than try and play out of his skin,

606
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 2: he kind of was comfortable playing his best tennis and

607
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 2: he was actually playing really well. But that's such a

608
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 2: rare thing to be able to do in best of

609
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 2: five sets. That's why these guys can beat him in

610
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 2: two sets, you know, two out of three sets, but

611
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,479
Speaker 2: when it comes to five sets, God, thinking that you

612
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 2: have to do that for three sets and play perfect

613
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 2: tennis is really mentally hard, which is why it doesn't

614
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 2: happen very often. Yeah, for sure.

615
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 1: I mean, it is very similar to watching women walk

616
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 1: out on the court already defeated, playing Serena Williams knowing say,

617
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,239
Speaker 1: she's got to have a bad day and I've got

618
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 1: to have maybe a perfect day. Yeah, And that's so

619
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 1: much pressure to do anything. I mean, think about going

620
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 1: into like cooking dinner and thinking I have to do

621
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 1: this perfectly. I don't know that I could do, you know,

622
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 1: like that's just the wheat of that.

623
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 2: Whereas you know, a great chef is like just goes

624
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 2: into the kitchen, doesn't think twice about it, just know.

625
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 2: She's just like I know, I'm going to make the

626
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 2: best pasta.

627
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 1: Here exactly, you know.

628
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 2: And I think Missy Robbins is walking into a resting Caitlin.

629
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 2: I know you can make some good pasta. Yeah, but

630
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 2: I got you. Yeah, I'm gonna beat you.

631
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 1: And she will be right now. What's amazing, it's amazing, truly,

632
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 1: is that it is nearly Thanksgiving. I'm thankful for you,

633
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 1: I'm thankful for tennis. I'm thankful for Missy Robbins past her.

634
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 1: I don't know if I need any more tennis, but

635
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 1: I'm going to get it. And Jokovich because he's playing,

636
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 1: and Yannick Sinner and several others are Guy, Andy Murray,

637
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 1: Yep Sadly, No Dan Evans, Sanley, No Dana or Dan who.

638
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 2: Was the MVP of the of the team GB him

639
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 2: and his low socks to Chilles. Maybe that's why maybe

640
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 2: calf muscle was He's calf muscle.

641
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 1: I think he needs more protection on his legs with

642
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 1: those long socks fabric.

643
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm gonna suggest that to him. Okay, he won't

644
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 2: find that funny because he's got good calves, got a

645
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 2: good tat on his calf. But I think it was

646
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 2: his downfall. Listen, short Sacks, We're kidding, Dan, we love you.

647
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 2: We're really We're really sorry that you're not going to

648
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 2: be there, but I'm sure you were going to be

649
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 2: there just to watch because he probably wants to be so.

650
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 2: Davis kept starts tomorrow tomorrow, Maulagha starts tomorrow, and we've

651
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 2: got Canada versus Finland.

652
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: The reigning champs Canada and Felix u Alim.

653
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,239
Speaker 2: We would not have thought Finland would have been a

654
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 2: country that would have been there, but it props to

655
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 2: Finland for being there. Of course, made up of Emil reservore,

656
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 2: our guy. He's had a great year in Hellavare. There's

657
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 2: some really good players from Finland, so good luck to

658
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 2: them against the defending champs in Canada. Your Canadians, My Canadians,

659
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 2: Oh Canada.

660
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 1: The Czech Republic is taking on Australia.

661
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 2: We're gonna win.

662
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 1: That feels likely, Yeah, feels likely.

663
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 2: Is a heck of a Davis Cup player is And also.

664
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,239
Speaker 1: They've got one of the best doubles players of our

665
00:31:59,240 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 1: time in Mannie.

666
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 2: Uh Maddi Ebden? Can I just shout out one thing

667
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 2: to Maddy Ebden. He missed a volley in the double

668
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 2: semi final to give them five to three break for

669
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 2: his partner to serve for the first set, and it

670
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 2: was the worst miss.

671
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: We're going to talk about, Matt.

672
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Maddie, volley mate, but I'm sure you'll know that.

673
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 2: But yeah, so, and then Italy, of course, Yannick Sinner

674
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 2: going to play Davis Cup as well. Bloody hell, good

675
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 2: effort from him. They're playing Netherlands and they have a

676
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 2: real shot clearly, and hey, listen, we might have a

677
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 2: we might have a rematch of Yannick playing against Novak again.

678
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 1: That's insane to think before the end of the year

679
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 1: they will have played three times in weeks what it

680
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: and a half weeks? Three Let's assuming Serbia gets through

681
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 1: Great Britain and are Andy Murray. I have to say,

682
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: I feel like it's likely that Serbia will get through.

683
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 2: Thinking that it's likely that Novak Djokovic is not going

684
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 2: to win, not going to lose a match in singles

685
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 2: or doubles.

686
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: What kind of sheep is Andy Marian right now? Understanding?

687
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 1: Is nat.

688
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 2: The chances of Andy Murray beating Novak zero percent? And

689
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 2: there's been no Arguably there's not been a better Davis

690
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 2: Cup player than Andy Murray through the years. But I

691
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 2: think it's going to be pretty tough for him to beat.

692
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 2: I don't think he's even going to play. He's actually

693
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 2: not even named in the team, Caitlin, I'm looking at

694
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 2: the Great Britain team. It's cam Norri, Jack draper Leam Brody,

695
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 2: Neil Skupski and Joe Salisbury and know Andy Murray, so

696
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 2: reason we don't even have to worry about that.

697
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 1: Well, maybe he'll just be pulling at the heart strings

698
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 1: from the bench.

699
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 2: Maybe I don't know that that is news to me,

700
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 2: so anyway, So it's great Britain versus Serbia, and Italy

701
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 2: versus the Netherlands, Australia versus the Czech Republican Canada versus Finland.

702
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 1: And then for the lover Guard, can this season be over?

703
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 2: Oh my god. The men play so late it's tumulous.

704
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 1: And the next month they're going to be having exos

705
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: in the Middle East.

706
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 2: I mean literally at the end six they will be done.

707
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 2: Most players, just so people know, take most of the

708
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 2: time a week off of playing tennis, sometimes two, a

709
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 2: week off of working out very rarely too, because that's

710
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 2: very hard to get back into tip top shape for

711
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 2: the Austrain Opens, you know, and for the Austrain and

712
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 2: summerre taking two weeks off that's a lot of time.

713
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 2: Most players actually go on holiday and still work out

714
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 2: every day just because they know, oh my god, when

715
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 2: I start working out again or playing tennis, I'm gonna

716
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 2: throw up. So it is not a long break. So

717
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 2: I don't know. Man, When you think about someone like Novak,

718
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 2: this is a big ass for him to then roll

719
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 2: up to the Austrain Open, but chances are he probably

720
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 2: won't play anything before the Australian Open, like he usually doesn't.

721
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 2: I mean it doesn't need to well, no, because he's

722
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,399
Speaker 2: playing this much tennis coming into but he's been very,

723
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 2: very smart with his schedule. Look, he didn't play anything

724
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,399
Speaker 2: after the US Open until you know what, a week

725
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 2: before to rend So you know this, guys know how

726
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:50,280
Speaker 2: to do it in the end. And that's what something

727
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 2: like Carlos al Karaz is going to have to start

728
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 2: figuring out, because the one thing that I worry about

729
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,240
Speaker 2: him is the body is just it's breaking down too much. Caitlin,

730
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 2: I agree, it just is.

731
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, or a twenty year old for the kind of

732
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: physical tennis that he plays, where it's very speed and

733
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: sort of shot making based. I feel like, you know,

734
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 1: he's he needs every bit of explosive.

735
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 2: He needs to calm the farmb a little bit.

736
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,879
Speaker 1: I think, well, sure, between the point being twenty years old,

737
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,800
Speaker 1: yeah he will, you will, I think, yeah when he

738
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: starts getting older and going fine, I don't need to

739
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 1: jump around like a jack rabbit.

740
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 2: All the time, but that is that is a bit

741
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 2: of an issue. I think I'd be like, listen, and

742
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,240
Speaker 2: you know, you can't tell him don't run for every ball.

743
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 1: No, of course, that's what makes him, so exciting to

744
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 1: take a message like you just you know, yeah, champions

745
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 1: are going to champion. That said, managing the body, managing

746
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 1: the schedule, you know, being a little bit conservative maybe

747
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 1: with when you put on the gas is necessary. So

748
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:45,320
Speaker 1: we should wrap this up by saying, this is not

749
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,360
Speaker 1: our last show of the year. We're going to do

750
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:51,320
Speaker 1: a very specialtis not 'tis not last show of the

751
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 1: year that I think we should probably not send people

752
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: to Instagram to learn about or Twitter certainly, no, I

753
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 1: think they should subscribe to the newsletter.

754
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 2: Obscribe to the new special.

755
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 1: Invitation also to a life podcast.

756
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 2: Await Rene's I will post it as you were on

757
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 2: Instagram and on the all stories and all that sort

758
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 2: of stuff.

759
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: Stay tuned if you're in New York in December, we

760
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 1: might have a very special holiday treat for you.

761
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 2: I did want to throw in a little fact that

762
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 2: we talked about Medvedev losing his mind a little bit already,

763
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 2: but also Zverev, can we just give an update on

764
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 2: that situation?

765
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 1: Sure one, yeah, because we haven't, you.

766
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 2: Know, and a lot of people expect us to hold

767
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 2: the ATP and certain you know journalists, you know, I

768
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 2: sort of on the hook a little bit. With this

769
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 2: Zverev situation, it gets swept under the carpet, and I

770
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 2: know a lot of our lady listeners would like us

771
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 2: to sort of say, hey, what's going on with that?

772
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 2: But he was found liable for his ex girlfriend who

773
00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 2: is the mother of his child for would you like

774
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 2: to update everybody on what happened there and why the

775
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 2: ATP hasn't done or said anything along these lines.

776
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 1: Well, if I knew why the ATP hasn't done or

777
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 1: said anything along these lines, I would be probably running

778
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: the ATP, because I would be able to answer for

779
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 1: the fact that, you know, in any other league, having

780
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 1: even just an accusation of domestic violence, much less two

781
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 1: which he has now faced, much less also getting tossed

782
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 1: for attacking an umpire at an event in Alcoholica, that was,

783
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 1: you know, would be enough to just be suspended from

784
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 1: the tour. That's across all sports. That's not just tennis.

785
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 1: It should it should be in tennis. Now, he's reportedly

786
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: been fined four hundred and seventy five thousand dollars by

787
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 1: a German court after being issued a penalty for an

788
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 1: abuse claim made by his ex girlfriend. This is a

789
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 1: different ex girlfriend than the one that was.

790
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 2: Reported this once the mother of his child and slate.

791
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 1: This is a second woman who has accused him of

792
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: domestic violence. And he has been issued a penalty for

793
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 1: four hundred and fifty thousand euro And I understand he

794
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: is appealing it. He's rejected to all the allegations. But

795
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:08,760
Speaker 1: at this point he's been found liable, it would seem.

796
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 1: And again the fact that this has been now a

797
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: month of fallout from after this and he's in ATP

798
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 1: promo day, he's at the media circus, he's smiling and

799
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 1: all the photos. It's sort of like, hey, do we

800
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 1: take this seriously.

801
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 2: Or do we not? And you know, it's pretty bad.

802
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 2: It's not great.

803
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: It's not an terrible look for tennis. It's not a

804
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 1: good look for sports. It's not a good look for

805
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 1: the ATP.

806
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 2: And no one's allowed to like talk to him about it.

807
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:41,760
Speaker 2: It's like he, you know, gives these statements and it's like, listen, dude,

808
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 2: if you are now credibly I mean this is basically.

809
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: He has been found liable.

810
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:49,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's been found liable.

811
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,399
Speaker 1: He can appeal it, you know, And I think it's

812
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 1: maybe different than being found guilty in a criminal court,

813
00:38:54,880 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 1: but being fined nearly five hundred thousand dollars, it is seen.

814
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 2: So I pretty much gave his prize money for the

815
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:02,320
Speaker 2: ATP finals.

816
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 1: To this seems like a significant judgment. And again, I

817
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 1: just don't know why his sponsors are standing by him.

818
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,399
Speaker 1: I don't know why the ATP is standing by him.

819
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 1: I truly don't know why he's such a big draw.

820
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 1: And again, like usually when this smoke this file, I

821
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,839
Speaker 1: just it's tough to sort of look askance and sort

822
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 1: of be like, you know, how is it that we

823
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 1: as a sport are okay with us? There are other

824
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 1: men who have been admitted, you know, some guilt and

825
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 1: with regards to some domestic situations, and it's just kind

826
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:33,280
Speaker 1: of like, do we take this seriously as a sport

827
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 1: or do we not? And I think, you know what

828
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 1: I would like to sort of urge as is not

829
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 1: a new idea from me, but it's one we've talked

830
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 1: about a lot. You either have a leadership structure or

831
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 1: you don't. You either take the safety and security of

832
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:53,280
Speaker 1: your players but also their coteries and the bodily safety

833
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 1: of people involved in tennas safe seriously, or you don't.

834
00:39:56,440 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 1: And I think, you know, the women that watched is

835
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 1: deeply unserious.

836
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, when it comes to that, there's absolutely no doubt,

837
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 2: and just put the statement out a little bit more too,

838
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 2: you know, like say whatever you need to say. But

839
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 2: I just feel like they sweep it under the carpet

840
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:14,919
Speaker 2: and hope it just goes away, and it's not going

841
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 2: away because now he's appealing, so it's going to be

842
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 2: again in the spotlight again. So it's just like, ugh,

843
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 2: I don't know, I just feel like I feel it's

844
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 2: just gross.

845
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 1: I can't imagine why we are still having to deal

846
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 1: with this individual after this last more damning intuition.

847
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 2: When you have now this is twice that this has

848
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 2: happened to you, and you know, you go ahead and

849
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,439
Speaker 2: you belt the living daylights out of an Umpire's chair

850
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 2: and virtually almost miss an Umpire, You've got some issues.

851
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 2: And so anyway, I just hope that they stop using

852
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 2: him in posters, That's all I ask.

853
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:53,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, that seems like particularly egregious to have his face

854
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: smiling in all these media days and then read articles

855
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 1: about him in German publications and sort of be like

856
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:03,439
Speaker 1: what yeah, so you know, listen, we'll end on that note.

857
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 1: We'll end on that note, the last show of the year.

858
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 1: Stay tuned, subscribe to the newsletter. Perhaps those of you

859
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,879
Speaker 1: who will be getting gifties for your loved ones will

860
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 1: have the opportunity to get them in real life.

861
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 2: You can yet to be in the New York, New

862
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 2: Jersey Connectic High state area. Maybe you know to take

863
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:30,240
Speaker 2: a bit of a train ride in the Old Manhattan area.

864
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 1: We might we might be.

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Speaker 2: We might be doing some little life, but it's not

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Speaker 2: a one yet. But when it is, we will let

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Speaker 2: you know.

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Speaker 1: Listeners, thank you for listening.

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Speaker 2: Hey, guys, listen. Have a great Thanksgiving. Everybody thankful for you. Rene.

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Speaker 2: I'm thankful for you, Caitlin, than anyone out there that's

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Speaker 2: not thankful for us. We don't really care about We

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Speaker 2: don't care, all right, Bye, y'all, have a great Thanksgiving

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Speaker 1: Up