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Speaker 1: Good morning, everybody, Happy Tuesday. Have an amazing show for

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Speaker 1: everybody today.

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Speaker 2: What do we have Crystal, It'd be an interesting one.

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Speaker 2: So we've got a bunch of Trump comments. He now

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Speaker 2: says that there are Epstein files, but some of them

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Speaker 2: are made up, so we'll break down the very latest there.

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Speaker 2: He's also admitting that there is starvation in Gaza. This

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Speaker 2: comes as new reporting indicates that he and the administration

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Speaker 2: are backing a full scale ethnic cleansing plan that the

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Speaker 2: Israelis are effectuating in the Gaza strips. So over all

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Speaker 2: down for you. Meanwhile, Charlie Kirk with a big propaganda

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Speaker 2: piece denying that any kids are actually starving to death

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Speaker 2: in the Gaza stripper and to take a look at that.

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Speaker 2: And also he recently hosted a focus group of young

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Speaker 2: conservatives and their views on Israel and Palestine, which was

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Speaker 2: pretty interesting, so I want to take a look at

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Speaker 2: that and what it means and what it doesn't mean.

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Speaker 2: So sort through some of the fact from fiction. Kind

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Speaker 2: of a situation. And Senator Alissa Slotkin reached out to

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Speaker 2: us and wanted to come on the show, so we're

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Speaker 2: going to have her on today for a wide ranging conversation.

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Speaker 2: Should be an interesting one. I certainly have some questions

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Speaker 2: for her about Gaza, and you've got some questions about Epstein.

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Speaker 2: We've got a lot we want to get to that.

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Speaker 3: Former CIA officers. Yeah, you know, we could certainly ask

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Speaker 3: her a lot. By the way, that is a reminder,

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Speaker 3: of benefits as well. But before we get to art. Now,

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Speaker 3: with all of that said, let's get to Jeffrey Epstein

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Speaker 3: and some new Trump comments. It's just not going away.

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Speaker 3: His new latest excuse is that he never went to

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Speaker 3: the island. He actually says, I never quote had the

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Speaker 3: privilege of going to the That's what he said, said,

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Speaker 3: I never had the privilege of going to the island.

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Speaker 3: And then actually some of the files themselves, some are real,

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Speaker 3: but the parts that show him are actually fake.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 4: I never went to the island, and Bill Clinton went

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Speaker 4: there supposedly twenty eight times. I never went to the island.

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Speaker 4: But Larry Summers, I hear went there. He was the

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Speaker 4: head of Harvard and many other people that are very

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Speaker 4: big people. Nobody ever talks about them. I never had

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Speaker 4: the privilege of going to his island, and I did

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Speaker 4: turn it down, but a lot of people in Palm

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Speaker 5: They can put things in the a fake, But those

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Speaker 5: files were run by bad, sick people. If they had anything,

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Speaker 5: why didn't they use it when I was killing Joe

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Speaker 5: and then he gave out because he was twenty five

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Speaker 3: Files were run by bad and sick people. They were

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Speaker 3: controlled by the Biden administration. That is the new line

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Speaker 3: you will remember though, I mean, this is part of

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Speaker 3: And now presumably many of the leaks that are coming

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Speaker 1: Helped compile those documents. Very likely they never even looked at.

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Speaker 3: Them in the past until very recently, and so now

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Speaker 3: it continues to remain mystifying, and as he can see,

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Speaker 3: it's not going away. It's been weeks now of the

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Speaker 3: Epstein scan. He's sitting there in the UK, in Scotland,

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Speaker 3: still answering all of these different questions where you know,

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Speaker 3: they try this whole Glene Maxwell thing. We'll see pardon

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Speaker 3: you know, increasingly looks more likely unfortunate, which is insane.

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Speaker 3: But beyond that, you know, you're also watching how the

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Speaker 3: current effort, all of the obfuscation is still not quelling

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Speaker 3: a lot of the public interest. And so this is

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Speaker 3: he just keeps walking into these things of I never

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Speaker 1: It's crazy. It's just crazy the way that he's talking about.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's hard to keep track of all

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Speaker 2: the different positions he's taken on these files at this point.

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Speaker 2: I mean, first it was we're going to release the files,

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Speaker 2: and then they were releasing the files the whole you know,

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Speaker 2: Binder Epstein, Binder Phase one or whatever it said, with

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Speaker 2: their influencers and their photo shoot. Then you had the

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Speaker 2: Epstein client list is on my desk from Pan Bondi

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Speaker 2: and that's why it's taking so long. Then you get

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Speaker 2: the memo, oh he killed himself, nothing to see here,

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Speaker 2: and there is no incriminating client list. Then you get

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Speaker 2: there is a client list, but I'm not on it.

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Speaker 2: be on it, but it's because it was fake. I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's just incredible, but it's also amazing because the general

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Speaker 2: think continues to be skeptical and feel betrayed over all

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Speaker 2: a hoax, this is fake, it's a witch hunt. You know,

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Speaker 2: it's a setup by Crooked Hillary or Comy or Brunner

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Speaker 2: or whatever. Like the MAGA influencers have now gone along

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Speaker 2: the idea early on when he started saying these things

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Speaker 2: about like Obama wrote the files and we're like this

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Speaker 2: is insane, Like, who's gonna buy this? Well, now they've

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Speaker 1: That's where they are bought it.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, you know there's seventy some percent of the

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Speaker 3: rest of the country there's like no, yeah.

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Speaker 2: I actually saw a pull from you Gov that a

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Speaker 2: majority of Americans believe that he's not releasing the files

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Speaker 2: because he's in the files, which is like, I mean,

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Speaker 2: very obvious and very logical.

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Speaker 3: And now at this point act by the way, this

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Speaker 3: is my personal favorite video about Trump and Fstein. So

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Speaker 3: for years, the line from Trump and Epstein, according to

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Speaker 3: the White House, is that Trump ended his relationship with

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Speaker 3: Epstein because he was a creep. Trump now says the

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Speaker 3: reason that he ended his relationship with Epstein had nothing

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Speaker 3: to do with that, and it was because Jeffrey Epstein

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Speaker 3: had hired away somebody who had previously worked for Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: Take a lesson.

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Speaker 4: For years, I wouldn't talk to Jeffrey Epstein. I wouldn't

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Speaker 4: talk because he did something that was inappropriate. He hired help,

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Speaker 4: and I said, don't ever do that again. He stole

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Speaker 4: people that work for me. I said, don't ever do

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Speaker 4: that again. He did it again, and I threw him

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Speaker 4: out of the place. Person and on grata. I threw

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Speaker 3: It, person and on grata for the daring to hire

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Speaker 2: Was inappropriate about what Jeffrey Epstein was doing.

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Speaker 1: I used to take the.

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Speaker 3: Man's word for it, right, Like that's how he recalls

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Speaker 3: in terms of his relationship. What's also again, like, let's

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Speaker 3: return literally on the record statements from Stephen Chung, who

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Speaker 3: was like, look, he ended his relationship with Epstein because

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Speaker 3: is that after he was convicted, or actually even before

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Speaker 3: they say, right around them, that's when his relationship with

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Speaker 3: you know, Virginia Gufray, one of the Epstein victims, was what.

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Speaker 1: Was lured away from mar A Lago, Like, is that

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Speaker 3: I don't even know if Trump was necessarily aware of it,

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Speaker 1: Is that what made you upset about this?

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 1: What's going on here?

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Speaker 2: The other thing that Michael Wolf claims is that the

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Speaker 2: his claim is actually that it was Epstein that broke

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Speaker 2: He had Trump wanted Trump to come and take a

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Speaker 2: It ends up being remember that there's a controversy about

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Speaker 2: some Russian oligarch whatever we got like tied up in

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Speaker 2: is according at least to you know, Michael Wolfe, who

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Speaker 2: spent a lot of time with Jeffrey Epstein because he

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Speaker 2: in the context of all of those conversations. And I

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Speaker 2: believe I've heard that the Trump people also reference I mean,

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Speaker 2: daughters of club members basically, and that's why we broke

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Speaker 2: it off. But they've also referenced this real estate transaction,

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Speaker 2: so that seems to be part and parcel here as well.

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Speaker 2: But again, if you believe Michael wolf he says that

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Speaker 3: in his fact. So I have a lot of quibble

436
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Speaker 3: about that, and I you know, he shouldn't one hundred

437
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Speaker 3: percent take anything that the guy says to the bank.

438
00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:25,920
Speaker 3: But I will also say he does know a lot, right,

439
00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:27,800
Speaker 3: He knows a lot of these people. He knows all

440
00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,840
Speaker 3: of society. He spent a ton of time with Epstein,

441
00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:34,880
Speaker 3: with Bannon, with I mean the entire White House. Listen,

442
00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:36,920
Speaker 3: before he was persona on grata in the White House.

443
00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:39,080
Speaker 3: It was like a joke amongst the White House Press

444
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Speaker 3: Corps about how much access Michael wolf had.

445
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Speaker 1: He was rolling in and.

446
00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:46,000
Speaker 3: Around it like the whole Just be understand, that's crazy.

447
00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:49,159
Speaker 1: That never happens. I was there. I literally watched a

448
00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:49,960
Speaker 1: lot of this happen.

449
00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:52,280
Speaker 3: It was open, you know, in terms of the amount

450
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Speaker 3: of access that Michael wolf had, it was unprecedented. It

451
00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,399
Speaker 3: was part of the original chaos. And he eventually writes

452
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Speaker 3: the Fire and Fury book makes millions of dollars and

453
00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:02,720
Speaker 3: it's a massive bestseller. But the point is is that, yes,

454
00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:05,560
Speaker 3: I understand he's a sketchy figure, so always take some

455
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Speaker 3: of that with a grain of salt. But of course

456
00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:09,920
Speaker 3: he does have his sources, and at least on this topic,

457
00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:12,200
Speaker 3: you know, he spent a lot of time with these people.

458
00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,399
Speaker 3: Here is what Michael Wolfe says. Is the real falling

459
00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:19,280
Speaker 3: out between or is the real quote wonderful secret between

460
00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:21,600
Speaker 3: Trump and Epstein laid out here.

461
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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.

462
00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:28,320
Speaker 6: The birthday letter that Donald Trump apparently wrote for Jeffrey

463
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Speaker 6: Epstein's fiftieth birthday, and this idea that they shared a

464
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Speaker 6: wonderful secret. What do you think he's referring to.

465
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Speaker 7: I think that he is referring to the to the

466
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Speaker 7: girlfriend that they shared at that point in time ninety

467
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Speaker 7: two ninety three. So there was a woman and as

468
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Speaker 7: far as I know, she's not underage, but who they

469
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Speaker 7: literally shared, who literally went back and forth between between

470
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Speaker 7: these two guys, and she went back.

471
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Speaker 6: And forth in the same bed with the two of them.

472
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Speaker 6: It was a threesome or she was dating them separately.

473
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Speaker 7: I don't I don't know the mechanics. I know that

474
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Speaker 7: during the same period, and they openly this wasn't hidden

475
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Speaker 7: from either one. They openly shared this particular woman that

476
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,800
Speaker 7: she was went out with both of them at the

477
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Speaker 7: same time.

478
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Speaker 1: Okay, so that is Wolf's expe name.

479
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Speaker 3: I mean, honestly, it kind of makes sense because this

480
00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:39,399
Speaker 3: is documented that they did have the same girlfriend, you know,

481
00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:43,800
Speaker 3: basically around the same time, right before he had before

482
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:45,520
Speaker 3: he started dating Malania Trump.

483
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Speaker 1: It's literally right in that same time frame.

484
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it also does sort of it does sort of

485
00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:53,600
Speaker 2: fit with like the almost like romantic nature of that life.

486
00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,960
Speaker 2: You know, like if they're sharing a girlfriend, you are

487
00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,760
Speaker 2: like sort of by proxy in this like weird romantic

488
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Speaker 2: trial with him. So it does kind of make sense.

489
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,399
Speaker 2: And you know, he says there that this woman. As

490
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:05,960
Speaker 2: far as we know, it was like of age, So

491
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:06,679
Speaker 2: it's not about her.

492
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,720
Speaker 1: She's twenty right, underage. I don't know that's that's.

493
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:14,680
Speaker 2: What he said, young, but of age. But it also

494
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 2: just TEMs to like this is a close relationship between

495
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:21,440
Speaker 2: Trump and Epstein. This isn't someone that you see occasionally

496
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 2: at a cocktail party, you know, you happen to be

497
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:27,199
Speaker 2: mixing in some of the same circles occasionally. No, this

498
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:30,960
Speaker 2: is your buddy, Like that is a as close to

499
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,200
Speaker 2: friendship as one can possibly imagine.

500
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Speaker 1: I guess we could say, yeah, I guess. I mean

501
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:36,280
Speaker 1: I said on the show yesterday.

502
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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, thirty three, you know, I've been

503
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 3: around with my friends and all that stuff. If somebody

504
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,760
Speaker 3: ever asked me to write them a birthday like, that's

505
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,399
Speaker 3: not what's going into birthday left. And that's that's the

506
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,440
Speaker 3: part where I find really creepy.

507
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 2: So creepy. Okay, this is a side note, but I

508
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,159
Speaker 2: feel like once you get to a certain age, like

509
00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:58,919
Speaker 2: making a big deal over your own birthday is so

510
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:03,119
Speaker 2: narcissistic and weird. It's such a freaking red flag. It's

511
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,399
Speaker 2: so weird, right, I don't know, I'm very opposed to

512
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 2: people over the age of like twenty one, twenty five

513
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,679
Speaker 2: is really great. Yeah they were given twenty five then

514
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:13,159
Speaker 2: to you go.

515
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:15,359
Speaker 1: A car it's over. Yeah, you're officially an adult.

516
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 2: Right, It's like, okay, time past another year. We're supposed

517
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 2: to all celebrate you like, I don't know.

518
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Speaker 1: Thank you. I'm with you. I've never understood it. It's like,

519
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:25,680
Speaker 1: you know, this weird birthday prim.

520
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:27,159
Speaker 2: I feel like it's a rich person thing to oh,

521
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 2: I'm going to have a big party for my fiftieth birthday.

522
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 2: It's like, I don't know.

523
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:32,359
Speaker 1: I actually I'm not so sure about that.

524
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 3: I've always thought that it's a way for people to

525
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 3: quote feel special in their lives, which is kind of sad.

526
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 1: But this is a much.

527
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 3: Deeper psychological conversation for the birthday obsession in the West

528
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 3: and most of the rest of the of the world.

529
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Speaker 3: They were like, yeah, congrat you know, happy birthday whatever.

530
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Speaker 3: All right, So let's get then to a video that

531
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Speaker 3: we also wanted to underscore here about Glenne Maxwell. One

532
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Speaker 3: of these women is Annie Farmer. She was interviewed by

533
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Speaker 3: ABC News. We just want to underscore, you know, the

534
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,679
Speaker 3: role that Ghlaine Maxwell actually played in this entire scheme

535
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 3: and kind of fits more broadly, you know, with all

536
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,879
Speaker 3: of this stuff around Trump and Epstein and about it

537
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 3: potentially if a pardon does happen, kind of what we

538
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 3: are all obscuring here.

539
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:14,680
Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.

540
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Speaker 8: She didn't just procure girls and women for Epstein, but

541
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Speaker 8: she herself participated in their abuse. I think that's an

542
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 8: important thing for people to understand. And so and then

543
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 8: she also, you know, made threats. She made threats to

544
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 8: my sister, to our family when it was clear that

545
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 8: my sister had reported her.

546
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Speaker 1: And so.

547
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Speaker 8: I think that to be told that suddenly she's being

548
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,640
Speaker 8: brought to the table as a potential source of information

549
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,680
Speaker 8: when she's previously been charged with perjury by the government

550
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 8: is very confusing and unsettling.

551
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 1: It's important, you know, to listen to her.

552
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,159
Speaker 3: By the way, I did receive a very long message

553
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:57,640
Speaker 3: from Michael Tracy yesterday about Ghlaine Maxwell and our accusation

554
00:25:57,720 --> 00:25:59,239
Speaker 3: of risk. I you know, I'm en listened. I'll give

555
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,640
Speaker 3: the guy his credit. Here's what he said. He says

556
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,159
Speaker 3: Maxwell is not accused of rape in criminal trial, much

557
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 3: less convicted of it. Two of a former claimed sexual

558
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 3: activity with Epstein was not illegal, per the very not

559
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,159
Speaker 3: prosecution judge instructors to the jurors, and even claimed the

560
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 3: sexual acts in which Maxwell was alleged to have participated

561
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 3: in no way rose to the level of anything that

562
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:20,159
Speaker 3: could be reasonably described as rape. I guess what I

563
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 3: think we were trying to say is that she participated

564
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 3: according to the victims here and the actual scheme of

565
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,640
Speaker 3: which she was eventually been convicted.

566
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Speaker 2: Well, and as Annie Farmer there, I mean, these two women,

567
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:38,680
Speaker 2: Annie and her older sister Maria, just their allegations are

568
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 2: that Maria is a painter. She graduates from some school

569
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,399
Speaker 2: in New York where Jeffrey Epstein is a big benefactor,

570
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 2: and in fact she at their final show there's a

571
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 2: you know, there's a big art shows like part of

572
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 2: the graduation, and buyers come in and her paintings sold,

573
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 2: and then according to her, the head of the school

574
00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:59,400
Speaker 2: comes over and it's like, you're not selling to them,

575
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 2: You're selling to this guy, Jeffrey Epstein, even though it

576
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,640
Speaker 2: was for a lower price. And then that is her

577
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 2: entree to you know, this world where they begin, oh,

578
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 2: we're going to make your dreams come true, and we're

579
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,199
Speaker 2: going to fly you here, and we're going to support

580
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 2: you in your work, et cetera. And then they fly

581
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 2: her out to Lex Wexner's estate in Ohio, and that's

582
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:23,200
Speaker 2: where she alleges that both Jeffrey and Gallaine molested her.

583
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 2: She freaks out, She you know, basically hides, runs away, hides,

584
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 2: flies home, and then she is the first one to

585
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 2: file a report with the police and ultimately the FBI.

586
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 2: Her sister and I can't remember exactly the timeline here,

587
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 2: but at some point Jeffrey and Glane had said, Oh,

588
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,120
Speaker 2: you have a younger sister, can we meet her? Can

589
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,679
Speaker 2: you bring her to dinner as well? And that's Annie

590
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 2: and Annie at the time of the leave was like sixteen,

591
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 2: and so they they have dinner with Annie and then

592
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 2: they do the same thing with her. Oh, we're going

593
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,120
Speaker 2: to make your dreams come true. We're going to fly

594
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 2: you here. We're going to send you to this incredible

595
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,959
Speaker 2: school I believe in Spain, and you're going to get

596
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 2: to do all the things that you desire. And then

597
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 2: she also is you know, abused sexually abused? I don't

598
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if she was abused both by Jeffrey

599
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,159
Speaker 2: and Gallaane but you know, I know Maria Farmer claims

600
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 2: that she was so, and there are other victims as

601
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 2: well who have similar stories where the first time that

602
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 2: they are molested by Jeffrey Epstein, Glaine is there involved

603
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 2: also directly in the abuse. And we know of course

604
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 2: that you know, her whole thing was she would go

605
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 2: and she would find these girls, often who came from

606
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 2: troubled backgrounds, you know, already victims of abuse, like Virginia

607
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 2: Guffrey or you know, their family life was a mess,

608
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 2: they were impoverished, They had all these sorts of vulnerabilities

609
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 2: that she would then exploit and she created this, you know,

610
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 2: this conveyor belt of young underage girls for Jeffrey Epstein

611
00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:01,479
Speaker 2: to abuse and exploit and potentially traffic. So that's you know,

612
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 2: that's what has been alleged against Glayne Maxwell. And I

613
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 2: just think it's really important as this propaganda effort goes

614
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 2: forward to paint her like she was some sort of

615
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 2: a victim and like why she even in prison if she,

616
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 2: you know, if there are no other men that were

617
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 2: she was, that she was trafficking girls to et cetera,

618
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 2: Like this person deserves to be in prison, and in fact,

619
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 2: the allegations that were made against her in court. Michael

620
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 2: Tracy is correct that they didn't make a lot of

621
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 2: these allegations against her in court. They just did enough

622
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 2: to get a conviction and get her put away, and

623
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 2: they did not actually air all of the different allegations.

624
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 2: Not to mention, I'm sure over you know that number

625
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 2: of years, some of this would be, of course, she said,

626
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 2: she said, in difficult to prove, et cetera. So but

627
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 2: in any case, that is he is true that they

628
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 2: took this very narrow approach, but that is not in

629
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 2: close to the entirety of the allegations which have been

630
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 2: made against her. That and again, I think another to

631
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 2: keep in mind when you are considering the credibility of

632
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 2: these allegations. Multiple of these girls now women, have told

633
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 2: a very similar story about how they were brought in

634
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 2: and how they were groomed by her and the way

635
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 2: the abuse unfolded, which I think lends them credibility to

636
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 2: their claims.

637
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Speaker 1: I totally agree.

638
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 3: I mean, it's obvious, and yeah, I mean, as this

639
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 3: all gout goes forward, everyone needs to.

640
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 1: Pay very, very very close attention because.

641
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 3: Look, it almost again behooves me to lay out who

642
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 3: is Gawayne Maxwell, the daughter of Robert Maxwell, the known

643
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 3: Mosad asset, one of the richest men in the world

644
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 3: at that time, multi billionaire in the UK, guys under

645
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 3: suspicious circumstances, all of these insane connections to all of

646
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 3: these sketchy arms deals across the world, including having associated

647
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 3: with Epstein, with Donald Trump, with all of the world's

648
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 3: richest and most powerful. That's literally how they met. Guys

649
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 3: like she is, in my opinion, one of the major

650
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:01,479
Speaker 3: keys to the story. And so the fact again just

651
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 3: to say that she was never interviewed by the Department

652
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 3: of Justice until today about third party individuals is patently

653
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Speaker 3: crazy and backs up everybody who said in twenty nineteen

654
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Speaker 3: that that entire prosecution was a sham effort to try

655
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Speaker 3: and actually was much more of a cover up, limited hangout,

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Speaker 3: you know, since we're all using the Watergate pollins parlance

657
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Speaker 3: now more today and yeah, more all anybody who questioned.

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Speaker 1: This is more vindicated today than ever before. Yep. All right,

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Speaker 1: let's get to Israel.

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Speaker 2: So we have a bunch of updates coming out of

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Speaker 2: Israel from this administration and directly out of the Gaza strip.

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Speaker 2: So let's start with this. There's been a big Israeli

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Speaker 2: Hsbara propaganda effort here and in Israel to deny that

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Speaker 2: there is actually any starvation in the Gaza strip. But

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Speaker 2: apparently President Trump and Jade Vance did not get that message,

666
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Speaker 2: did not get that memo. Yesterday, Trump acknowledging that there

667
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Speaker 2: is starvation that is unfolding. Jadvan's doing the same. Let's

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Speaker 2: take a look.

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Speaker 4: I don't know. I mean, based on television, I would

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Speaker 4: say not particularly because those children look very hungry. So

671
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Speaker 4: we have to get rid of those lines. But we're

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Speaker 4: going to be getting some good, strong food. We can

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Speaker 4: save a lot of people. I mean, some of those

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Speaker 4: kids are that's real starvation stuff. I see it, and

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Speaker 4: you can't fake that.

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Speaker 1: You've got some really really heartbreaking cases. You've got little

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Speaker 1: kids who are clearly starving to death. Israel's got to do.

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Speaker 9: More to let that aid in.

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Speaker 2: So he says, you can't fake that. The will be

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Speaker 2: news to Charlie Kirk and others that will show you

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Speaker 2: later on in the show. But lett do you think

682
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Speaker 2: that there's something heroic that's about to unfold here? Let's

683
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Speaker 2: go and put this next element up on the screen.

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Speaker 2: So within Israel the idea that Ntanya who is going

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Speaker 2: to let any aid in ta Gaza in order to

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Speaker 2: appease what is now a widespread international outcry over these

687
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Speaker 2: horrific images of the Israeli enforced famine leading to babies

688
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Speaker 2: literally starving to death. So there is a huge right

689
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Speaker 2: wing outcry over the idea that any aid would be

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Speaker 2: let in. So what is NETANYAHUO doing to appease people

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Speaker 2: like Ben Gaverin'smotrich who had been very loud about their

692
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Speaker 2: upset over this. We played you some of that in

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Speaker 2: the show yesterday. Well, he's going to propose to go

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Speaker 2: ahead and annex parts of Gaza in an attempt, they

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Speaker 2: say here in Haratz, an Israeli newspaper, to appease far

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Speaker 2: right minister if Hamas does not agree to a deal.

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Speaker 2: Let me read you a little bit of this because

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Speaker 2: this also comes back to the US. Prime Minister Benjamin

699
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Speaker 2: Netniwa is expected to propose to the Political Security Cabinet

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Speaker 2: a plan to annex areas in the Gaza strip in

701
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Speaker 2: an attempt to keep Finance Minister Bezalielsmotrich in his government.

702
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Speaker 2: And corner of the plan, Israel will declare that it

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Speaker 2: is giving Hamas a few days to agree to a ceasefire,

704
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Speaker 2: and if not, we'll begin annexing areas of the strip.

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Speaker 2: Of course, they're going to make it so that it's

706
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Speaker 2: not any sort of a deal. Hamas whatever agree to.

707
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Speaker 2: The move will be presented to Cabinet members following Netanyahu's

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Speaker 2: decision to increase humanitarian aid entering the Strip, which was

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Speaker 2: accepted to spite opposition from the Religious Zionism Party. According

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Speaker 2: to the plan, Netanyahu is expected to present areas in

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Speaker 2: the buffer zone will be annexed first, followed by areas

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Speaker 2: in the northern Strip. The process will continue gradually and

713
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Speaker 2: according to details present, let me finish that sentence. Actually,

714
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Speaker 2: the process will continue gradually until the entire Gaza Strip

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Speaker 2: is annexed, full ethnic cleansing guys and conquest.

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Speaker 7: Here.

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Speaker 2: According to details presented by Natyahou and talks with ministers,

718
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Speaker 2: the plan has received approval from the Trump administration. Now,

719
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Speaker 2: of course, this should not come as any surprise, since

720
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Speaker 2: Trump himself floated the annexation and the quote unquote cleansing

721
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Speaker 2: of the Gaza Strip and the repopulation by quote unquote

722
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Speaker 2: world's people. So this is very much in line with

723
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Speaker 2: Trump's plan for Gaza Lago that he put on the table,

724
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Speaker 2: and now this is what the besilosmotrich is being offered

725
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Speaker 2: in exchange for allowing some amount of aid into the

726
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Speaker 2: Gaza Strip, which, by the way, we have yet to

727
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Speaker 2: see really actually reach the people who are starving there

728
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Speaker 2: at this point. So let me go ahead and put

729
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Speaker 2: these next images up on the screenow and get Soger

730
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Speaker 2: to react to all of this. This is the state

731
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Speaker 2: of affairs. I mean, this is as eight convoys come in,

732
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Speaker 2: they are just absolutely swarmed. There are also reports that

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Speaker 2: the family based like there are people who have been

734
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Speaker 2: put in place to protect these trucks as they come in,

735
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Speaker 2: so you don't have these scenes of desperate people just

736
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Speaker 2: grabbing whatever they possibly can. There are reports from inside

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Speaker 2: of the Gaza Strip that the IDF have been firing

738
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Speaker 2: on those protection squads. So mayhem and chaos, I mean,

739
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Speaker 2: society is breaking down there, like people are starving to

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Speaker 2: death and they have reached a point of utter and

741
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Speaker 2: complete desperation, which is what you see soccer in those

742
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Speaker 2: sorts of cliffs.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's obviously horrific, and it also just gets

744
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Speaker 3: to the question of what we continue to try to

745
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Speaker 3: highlight here from inside of these really government, even the

746
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Speaker 3: you know, acknowledgment, or they didn't acknowlnce starvation, but at

747
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Speaker 3: very least they paused and allowed all of these humanitarian

748
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Speaker 3: aid trucks or at least some humanitarian aid trucks to

749
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Speaker 3: enter into the strip has now caused such consternation that

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Speaker 3: the only acceptable solution is to officially annex some ninety

751
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Speaker 3: percent of the entire place and then to facilitate migration. Again,

752
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Speaker 3: I'm not making this stuff up. They say it out loud.

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Speaker 3: You have Ben Gavier and others who said it yesterday.

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Speaker 3: You know, we should be sending shells, not food. They're

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Speaker 3: outraged that they used the Sabbath against him, you know,

756
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Speaker 3: to be able to circumvent this decision. And similarly, inside

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Speaker 3: of the country, the way that they're keeping their political

758
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Speaker 3: coalition together is to actually go in the most extreme direction.

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Speaker 3: I will say at the I don't know, you know,

760
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Speaker 3: it's just crumbs. But in Israel this does seem to

761
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Speaker 3: be some sort of political breaking point. Yayr Lapede, who

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Speaker 3: is the opposition leader, actually has said Netsanyahu's plan for

763
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Speaker 3: Gaza has completely failed and we need to have a ceasefire.

764
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Speaker 3: So there is some element of the political coal going.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to understate it. They still support the war,

766
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Speaker 3: they still broadly support annexation and all of that. They're

767
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Speaker 3: more upset about the fact that the hostages are not

768
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Speaker 3: being released. And the way that this is kind of

769
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Speaker 3: being sold is the way that they will get the

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Speaker 3: hostages is they will have full on annexation, which will

771
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Speaker 3: allow full occupation. It's kind of ridiculous because they already

772
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Speaker 3: have full occupation. They've already raised the entire place to

773
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Speaker 3: the ground. If they get them from military solution, then

774
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Speaker 3: they would have done it already.

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Speaker 1: That's not really but this again.

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Speaker 3: You know, look, does anybody say that they've held back

777
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Speaker 3: in Gaza by trying to get back?

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Speaker 1: Come on, like you be serious? Yeah, I mean it's gone.

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Speaker 3: Do we have the video about how journalists are not

780
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Speaker 3: allowed to even film the way?

781
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we do. And before we play that, just to

782
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Speaker 2: back up your point, Ben Devere just said he called

783
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Speaker 2: for a complete halty, humanitarian aid, complete occupation of the strip,

784
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Speaker 2: total annihilation of Hamas, encouragement of immigration. That's code for

785
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Speaker 2: ethnic cleansing and settlement. This is not the alternative path.

786
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Speaker 2: This is the royal road to safely releasing the hostages

787
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Speaker 2: and achieving victory in the war. Mister Prime Minister, give

788
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Speaker 2: the order. These are not fringe characters. These are some

789
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Speaker 2: of the most influential people, frankly in Israeli society at

790
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Speaker 2: this point, as you can see from whose own decision making.

791
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Speaker 2: To Sager's point, yes, journalists, this is a report from

792
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Speaker 2: Sky News, I believe where they're saying, Hey, the Israelis

793
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 2: are telling us that as we're covering, they're dropping now

794
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 2: some aid from the skies was done before injuring people

795
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Speaker 2: and again setting off this mad, chaotic scramble for people

796
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Speaker 2: to get whatever scraps they possibly can. Journalists are being

797
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Speaker 2: told who are covering the A drops, you can't film

798
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Speaker 2: from the air, or they'll stop the ad drops because

799
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Speaker 2: they don't want you to know how destroyed all of

800
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Speaker 2: Gaza ultimately is Let's go ahead and take a listen

801
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Speaker 2: to that report.

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Speaker 10: We were given quite a clear and strict brief fight

803
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Speaker 10: briefing that the Israelis have said we're not allowed to

804
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Speaker 10: film any shots of Gaza from the air, and that

805
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Speaker 10: if we do, these air drop flights could either be

806
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Speaker 10: canceled or denayed. International journalists haven't been allowed access to

807
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Speaker 10: Gaza since the war started, despite immense pressure and growing demands,

808
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Speaker 10: and it seems they don't want us to show you

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Speaker 10: images of Gaza from the air either.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is classic. They will deny that there's starvation,

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Speaker 2: they'll deny that the IDF is shooting starving Palestinians as

812
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Speaker 2: they're going to try to collect aid from the Gaza

813
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Speaker 2: Humanitarian Foundation. They deny, deny, deny, but journalists are never

814
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Speaker 2: actually allowed in to assess what is really going on,

815
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Speaker 2: and even to the extent of, you know, going so

816
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Speaker 2: far as to ban them from filming from the air

817
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Speaker 2: so that people cannot see the extent of devastation. Of course,

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00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 2: we all see it anyway, because of the brave Palestinians

819
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Speaker 2: on the ground who've been sharing with the world the

820
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Speaker 2: images of this ongoing genocide. The starvation crisis is as

821
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Speaker 2: dire as it could possibly be. The Hoven and Post

822
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Speaker 2: talked to an American doctor who I think just returned

823
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Speaker 2: from Gaza, or they may have spoken with them in Gaza.

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Speaker 2: Put this up on the screen, and what they're saying

825
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Speaker 2: is that for some of these children quote, they may

826
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Speaker 2: have already passed the point of no return where their

827
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Speaker 2: physiology is eroded, point where even refeeding could potentially cause

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Speaker 2: death itself. The gut lining has started to autodigest, it

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Speaker 2: will no longer have adequate absorptive capacity for water or

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Speaker 2: for nutrition. Death is unfortunately imminent for probably thousands of children.

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Speaker 2: So we have already reached a point where some of

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Speaker 2: these kids, even if they open the floodgates, which let's

833
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Speaker 2: be clear, they have not done. But even if they

834
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Speaker 2: open the floodgates and baby formula and food and nutrition

835
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Speaker 2: and medicine and everything they need comes in, there will

836
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Speaker 2: still be children who continue to die from starvation because

837
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Speaker 2: of how far their bodies have been pushed to this point.

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Speaker 2: And it takes a long time to get here. This

839
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Speaker 2: is the level of engineered deprivation that we're talking about.

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Speaker 2: And Adam Twos wrote an important piece about you know

841
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 2: that you always get this accusation like, oh, well, why

842
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 2: there are starving people in other places in the world,

843
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 2: why you only focus on the Gaza strip, Like is

844
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Speaker 2: it because you're anti Semitic? Is basically the allegation that

845
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 2: comes along with this, and he said, that's it's true.

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Speaker 2: There are horrifically many other places in the world, most

847
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Speaker 2: of them in Sub Saharan Africa, where you have famines,

848
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Speaker 2: where you have people who are starving, where you have

849
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Speaker 2: you know, horrific numbers of people. There are two things

850
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Speaker 2: that are different. Number one is in all of those instances,

851
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Speaker 2: the hunger and the famine is a result of a

852
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Speaker 2: poly crisis, so a war, civil war in Haiti, the

853
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 2: complete breakdown of society, those sorts of things. In the

854
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 2: Gaza strip, it is completely man made. There is plenty

855
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 2: of food and resources there, it just needs to be

856
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 2: allowed in. This is a one hundred percent engineered by

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Speaker 2: US and by the Israelis famine. Man made and that is,

858
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Speaker 2: as you guys know, crime against humanity and also is

859
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Speaker 2: considered an active genocide. In addition, in those other places,

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Speaker 2: if you look at the percent of people who are

861
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Speaker 2: experiencing some level of hunger who are on the you know,

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Speaker 2: they have like ratings for the level of famine that

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Speaker 2: they're at somewhere around you know, it'll be forty nine

864
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Speaker 2: percent or sixty percent. I mean, again, these are horrifying numbers.

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Speaker 2: I'm not downplaying this whatsoever. In Gaza it's one hundred percent.

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Speaker 2: It's one hundred percent of people within the Gaza Strip

867
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 2: who are suffering from some level of hunger. And there

868
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 2: are varying levels of severity, you know, in terms of

869
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,840
Speaker 2: obviously the most vulnerable are going to be infants, people

870
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 2: with various diseases and disorders, it's going to be children,

871
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 2: it's going to be the elderly. But one hundred percent

872
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 2: of people within the Gaza Strip are suffering from some

873
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 2: level of hunger, some level of famine, and that does

874
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,720
Speaker 2: not exist anywhere else in the world, and again speaks

875
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:54,360
Speaker 2: to the fact that this is an engineered, completely man

876
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 2: made famine that we're dealing with, which is why it

877
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:01,240
Speaker 2: has led to such incredible horror here and around the world,

878
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 2: where even some of the worst actors you can imagine,

879
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 2: like Barry White's feel the need to say something about

880
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 2: our Hillary Clinton or Barack Obamam field the need to

881
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 2: say something about it. At the same time, we continue

882
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,280
Speaker 2: to get horrific reports of violence in the West Bank

883
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 2: and really awful violent news here. We can put this

884
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 2: up on the screen. So a well known activist who

885
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 2: was involved in No Other Land development of the No

886
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 2: Other Land documentary was murdered by the psycho that you

887
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 2: see here, this violent Israeli settler who is known who

888
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 2: is there's pictures of him hanging out with government ministers,

889
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 2: by the way, and here he is just wildly firing

890
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 2: a weapon. This is the kind of psycho this this

891
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 2: guy is one of the few things that the Biden

892
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:52,839
Speaker 2: administration actually did to check any you know, of the

893
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 2: Israeli atrocities was to sanction a few settlers. This guy

894
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 2: was one of them who was sanctioned. Not that it

895
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 2: really made a difference, but at least there was some

896
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 2: symbolic of like some you know, symbol of like this

897
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 2: isn't acceptable the way this guy operates. And the Trump

898
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 2: administration removed those sanctions from him. And as I was

899
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 2: saying before, it's I don't want to give anybody the

900
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 2: impression that this is some rogue actor. These people are

901
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 2: encouraged and backed by the state. This is part of

902
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:24,399
Speaker 2: official policy. And so, you know, Palestinian murdered here by

903
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 2: this violent settler. And it's important even though we focus

904
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 2: a lot on Gaza as understandably, that's where the greatest

905
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 2: amount of horror ultimately is. We're gonna have a guest

906
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 2: on soon to talk about what's going on in the

907
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 2: West Bank, because that's where you can really see the

908
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 2: complete picture of what they're doing here. The level of

909
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:43,839
Speaker 2: violence that has escalated, the land seizures and theft that

910
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 2: have escalated as well is all part of this you know,

911
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 2: Greater Israel project and this ongoing like complete genocide.

912
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 3: Well it's not just West Bank, because it's West Bank, Gaza, Lebanon, Syria.

913
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 1: This is the you know, I mean, look, it's a

914
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 1: bond two stop like call it what it is.

915
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 3: You have two tier systems of justice, and it's pretty

916
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:05,320
Speaker 3: obvious there's no way in which they have any genuine

917
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 3: security or system in through which they can pursue like

918
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 3: any basic level of law and order. It's been actually

919
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 3: been that way for quite some time, but it's especially

920
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 3: that way now in the last two years. Last part here,

921
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 3: which is interesting, I'm curious what you think. Let's put

922
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 3: it up there on the screen. The Israeli Information Center

923
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 3: for Human Rights bets Sellem, has said that there's quote

924
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 3: genocide in Gaza being committed by Israel. You know, this

925
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:31,839
Speaker 3: is one where they're more what I guess i'll say,

926
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 3: you know, lagging because they are in Israeli organization in

927
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:39,439
Speaker 3: terms of their declaration compared to a lot of other

928
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 3: people who have like similar sympathies. But it is nonetheless,

929
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 3: like demonstrates, you know, the extent to which I think

930
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 3: the conversation has moved where you even have this human

931
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 3: rights organization inside of Israel which is saying this, And

932
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 3: of course I'm actually very curious to see how these

933
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 3: really government handles this because remember they're calling that a

934
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 3: blood libel, and this is an Israeli organization itself. They

935
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 3: have always, let's contextualized them, they've always been, you know,

936
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 3: kind of on the extreme left of Israeli society obviouly.

937
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm saying before. Yeah, they've always been that way.

938
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:15,760
Speaker 3: People always say they're like, oh, there's some useful idiot

939
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 3: or whatever. That's been the accusation I've seen thrown at

940
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 3: them for quite some time. But it is significant, nonetheless,

941
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 3: at least in their own society. And also again, the

942
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 3: real question is how the government's going to handle this.

943
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 3: They're going to pull up Yeah.

944
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 2: I mean they're incredibly late to this. Obviously. It's Bet

945
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 2: Salem and Physicians for Human Rights, both of which are

946
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 2: you know, significant Israeli human rights organizations. It reminds me

947
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 2: of but Selim, not that long ago, finally issued or report.

948
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 2: This is a few years back. At this point, I

949
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 2: think we covered it here about saying, Okay, yes, Israel

950
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 2: is an apartheid society, it's accurate to say that. And

951
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,760
Speaker 2: again they were late to that, but it was given

952
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:58,399
Speaker 2: added significance because they are an Israeli organization. And I saw,

953
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 2: you know, the New York Times covering this, et cetera.

954
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 2: But I think it's like the consensus is clear at

955
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 2: this point. You have but Selim, You've got physicians for

956
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 2: human rights, they join Amnesty International, Doctors Without Borders, Human

957
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 2: Rights Watch, over eight hundred scholars of genocide. At least

958
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 2: you had an Israeli scholar writing in the New York Times,

959
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 2: doctor Omer Bartov, saying, hey, yes, I'm a genocide scholar.

960
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:22,320
Speaker 2: I know it when I see it. You just can't.

961
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 2: There are very few voices on the other side. There

962
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 2: is a basically a global consensus at this point. What's

963
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,320
Speaker 2: going on? And sagain on if you saw actually Marjorie

964
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 2: Taylor Green, I saw for the first time this is

965
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 2: a genocide, So you know, her getting ahead of the

966
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 2: vast majority of Democrats, including by the way, Bernie Sanders

967
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 2: in calling this for what it is. But I think

968
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 2: it's significant. Like I said, it's hard for me to

969
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 2: really understand what took so long. I read through. I

970
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 2: read through their report yesterday, and it's quite well documented.

971
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 2: You know, they go through many of the same you know,

972
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 2: path and trajectory that the original ICJ filing from South

973
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 2: Africa went through. Of Like, here's the historic context, right,

974
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 2: Palestinians are a demographic threat to a quote unquote Jewish state,

975
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 2: and so it's not just Hummas that's their enemy, it's

976
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:13,720
Speaker 2: every Palestinian that threatens a Jewish majority, and that creates

977
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 2: a logic and a context under which this genocide has unfolded.

978
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 2: Then you've got all of the many statements. I mean,

979
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 2: I've long ago lost track of all of the genocidal,

980
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 2: dehumanizing statements about Palestinians, and the media and propaganda efforts

981
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 2: that unfold within Israeli society to make it okay and

982
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,720
Speaker 2: make it seem like, you know, Palestinians are not a people,

983
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 2: that they're not human, that they are you know, an

984
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 2: existential even the infant babies who are being starved to death,

985
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 2: there's some sort of an existential threat to Israeli society.

986
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 2: And then of course they also cover the acts themselves,

987
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 2: the starvation, the force displacement of every single Palestinian has

988
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 2: been displaced at this point within the Gaza Strip. The

989
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:57,760
Speaker 2: force displacement, the mass starvation, the indiscriminate bombing, the destruction

990
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 2: of all just sort of like culture in life, you know,

991
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 2: any arts institutions, any universities, any schools, the farmland, the greenhouses,

992
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 2: et cetera. And when you look at all of that,

993
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 2: I think it's impossible not to conclude, if you're being

994
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:15,879
Speaker 2: honest at this point, that this is in fact the genocide.

995
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 1: All right, shuld we get to Charlie.

996
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 2: Let's talk about it. So I mentioned earlier that there's

997
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 2: this propaganda effort you referenced it on the show yesterday

998
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 2: to deny that any starvation is actually happening in the

999
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 2: Gaza Strip, that this is all just you know, some

1000
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:35,800
Speaker 2: media propaganda. I love how they imagine that the media

1001
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 2: is on the side of the Palestinians, is just so

1002
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 2: like utterly really believe. Yeah, I know they do. It's insane,

1003
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:43,839
Speaker 2: Like the number of former IDF that work at these

1004
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 2: outlets is like, okay, you guys are like completely out

1005
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:50,399
Speaker 2: to lunch. But in any case, Charlie Kirk went right

1006
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 2: along with this and invited this guy on to you know,

1007
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:58,319
Speaker 2: spin this utterly false narrative about how, of course there's

1008
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 2: no hunger in the Gaza Strip and these are all

1009
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:02,320
Speaker 2: lies that are being fed to you. Let's go ahead

1010
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 2: and take a listen to a little bit of that.

1011
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 11: I hate being lied to and I hate being propagandized.

1012
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 11: And this weekend there was an all out propaganda campaign

1013
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 11: trying to make it seem as if Israel is intentionally

1014
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:19,320
Speaker 11: starving the people of Gaza.

1015
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 12: I'm not going to get into the weeds of the numbers,

1016
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 12: but the quantities of food that have been brought into

1017
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 12: the Gaza Strip since the beginning of the war, and

1018
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 12: month over month is enough to feed the Gaza Strip

1019
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 12: according to the World Food Programs numbers for what it

1020
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 12: takes to feed people for longer than this war has

1021
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 12: gone on for about twenty seven months worth of food,

1022
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:41,800
Speaker 12: and there's plenty of food getting into the Gaza Strip.

1023
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:45,959
Speaker 11: This is pure visual warfare. Plug at three Z nine.

1024
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 11: This is all this is. This is propaganda, emotional visual

1025
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 11: optical warfare. Optical warfare, and so no one likes to

1026
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 11: see what you're looking at here looks like a kid

1027
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:58,839
Speaker 11: who's starving to death. Right, So the whole story says this.

1028
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 11: The story says young old and six starved to death

1029
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 11: in Gaza.

1030
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:05,800
Speaker 1: That is the front page of the New York Times.

1031
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 1: And so the.

1032
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 11: Picture they're using is of Mohammad al Mattawak, a child

1033
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 11: with a muscular disorder, and they're using that as the

1034
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 11: face of famine in Gaza. So is the UN intentionally

1035
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 11: allowing the kids of Gaza to starve?

1036
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 1: What is going on here?

1037
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 12: When you talk about the UN in Gaza, you're not

1038
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:30,799
Speaker 12: talking about the people sitting in the United Nations in

1039
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 12: New York.

1040
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:35,360
Speaker 1: The UN in Gaza is Hamas.

1041
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:38,359
Speaker 2: The Yuan is Hamas, and you know he makes all

1042
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 2: the fully debunked claims about al Jamas is stealing all

1043
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 2: the aid, and that's why we had to use the

1044
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 2: Gaza Humanitarian Foundation, which israelly military officials told in New

1045
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 2: York Times. Is not true. There has never been any

1046
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:53,880
Speaker 2: evidence of this whatsoever. In fact, what there has been

1047
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 2: evidence of is is really backed thugs who have been

1048
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 2: stealing aid. There's evidence of that. There is no evidence

1049
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 2: that Hamas has been consistently in any way stealing this aid,

1050
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 2: but that's their excuse. And we also know that Israel

1051
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:11,399
Speaker 2: buried a thousand trucks. This was reported on Israeli news channel.

1052
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 2: We covered yesterday buried a thousand trucks of aid. And

1053
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:17,319
Speaker 2: you can see. I mean, it's just like they think

1054
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 2: you're so stupid, they think you can't hit translate from Hebrew.

1055
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 2: They are out there, Ben Gaverer and Smoechester are out

1056
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:26,799
Speaker 2: there furious that any aid is getting in whatsoever. And

1057
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:29,840
Speaker 2: lo and behold when Nataniana snaps his fingers, Oh suddenly

1058
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:31,799
Speaker 2: some aid can get in. So oh, but it was

1059
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 2: the UN that was the problem. Give me a break, like,

1060
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 2: it's just such utter and complete bullshit. In fact, when

1061
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:39,279
Speaker 2: the UN did come in to try to deliver some aid,

1062
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:43,320
Speaker 2: they were shot at by the id HEF. So it's disgusting,

1063
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 2: I mean, And we all.

1064
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 1: Know remember Jose Andres in the World Central Kitchen, of course.

1065
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we all know too that people are being

1066
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:52,879
Speaker 2: massacred when they do go and try to get aid

1067
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 2: from these four or five distribution centers that the Gaza

1068
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:01,840
Speaker 2: Humanitarian Foundation has set up this Green Beret whistleblower. He

1069
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 2: told the story of how he became so disgusted in

1070
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 2: dissolution he decided to speak out. He a young child,

1071
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 2: a young Palestinian child, kissed his hands because he was

1072
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 2: so grateful for whatever food he'd been able to get

1073
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 2: at this distribution, and then as he walked away, the

1074
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 2: Israelis shot and killed him. That's that's what we're talking

1075
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 2: about here. And these monsters have the gall to come

1076
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 2: on and say, oh, well, if it's a kid who

1077
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 2: has muscular dystrophy, he doesn't really count as starving to death,

1078
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Speaker 2: as if those people don't also matter. And obviously the

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Speaker 2: people who are going to be the most vulnerable are

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Speaker 2: going to be children who have, you know, other complicating conditions.

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Speaker 2: There's no doubt about that. But we're you know, the

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Speaker 2: numbers are at least one hundred and forty seven people

1083
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Speaker 2: have now died from starvation, and the majority of those

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Speaker 2: are children.

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Speaker 3: Look, Charlie recently had me on I you know, he

1086
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:54,839
Speaker 3: has occasionally, I think, some decent ideas and other things.

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Speaker 3: Very least he let me express my you know, criticism

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Speaker 3: of Israel. So I appreciate that, but I do think

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Speaker 3: what everybody is watching here is kind of the dichotomy

1090
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Speaker 3: of conservative politics, specifically when money is balved. So here

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00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 3: we have turning point USA. I don't think it's a secret,

1092
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Speaker 3: and I'm giving anything away to say that there are

1093
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:14,359
Speaker 3: a lot of, you know, very pro Israeli people who

1094
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 3: have donated to the organization. And Charlie himself is not

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00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 3: somebody like us. He's not a media figure. He can't

1096
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 3: say what he wants. He's a political actor. He's operating

1097
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 3: in the Republican Coalition. And these are the types of

1098
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 3: things that are occasionally I'm not going.

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Speaker 1: To say they were demanded.

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00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 3: I don't think anybody controlled him, but they obviously felt

1101
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Speaker 3: the need to have to have somebody on here. And let's,

1102
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:37,839
Speaker 3: you know, kind of break it down. Who is this person.

1103
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 3: He's a columnist at the Jerusalem Post. So it's like,

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00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 3: do we have maybe any incentive to be saying the

1105
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:46,239
Speaker 3: types of things here and Israeli rabbi who lives in

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00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 3: his or who writes for the Jerusalem Post. Instead, you

1107
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:52,479
Speaker 3: could actually look at the Rupert Murdoch owned Wall Street

1108
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 3: Journal as Trump and all been reminding us, and they

1109
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 3: have a graphic out this morning, which shows the exact

1110
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 3: food delivery and the fraction through which it has fallen.

1111
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:04,240
Speaker 3: Now under that's you know a lot of the data

1112
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 3: and stuff that they're citing about amount of food and

1113
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:11,320
Speaker 3: necessary is actually before the complete blockade that happened recently,

1114
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:13,760
Speaker 3: which started in March, right, So this is where facts

1115
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:15,839
Speaker 3: and all of these things matter. But I actually think

1116
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:17,920
Speaker 3: a big reason why this is all happening is to

1117
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:20,399
Speaker 3: prevent the Marjorie Taylor Greens and a lot of other

1118
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 3: younger Republicans from you know, basically coming out full on

1119
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 3: against Israel. And this really was showed off, I think

1120
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 3: in Charlie's focus group which he held recently in his

1121
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 3: TPUSA conference where he was asking young tp so remember

1122
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:36,760
Speaker 3: this is a different breed.

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Speaker 1: These are not just young Republicans.

1124
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 3: These are like young like activists in TPUSA. That's a

1125
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 3: special type of by the way, that's a special lot

1126
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 3: of any young person who's an activist or whatever. Right, So,

1127
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 3: like the highest engage political person of any type of

1128
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 3: political organization.

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Speaker 1: Well, here he.

1130
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 3: Sat down with them and asked them about Israel and

1131
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 3: also kind of the first thing you think of when

1132
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 3: you hear the country's name.

1133
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 1: Let's take a listen, and.

1134
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 11: If you seek to actually understand what gen Z thinks

1135
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 11: about Israel, not these anonymous TikTok comments or not what

1136
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:13,879
Speaker 11: you see on X. These are real people. They're real conservatives,

1137
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 11: many of which are real Christians, and they'll tell you

1138
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:19,360
Speaker 11: exactly what they think about the hottest issue happening. I

1139
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:21,839
Speaker 11: guess on the planet that we're talking about. So, what's

1140
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 11: the first word that comes to mind when you hear Israel?

1141
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:25,280
Speaker 9: Judy, is aid, aid.

1142
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 13: Many sexbolders, liability, sacred tax dollars, conflict, complex, controversial, scary,

1143
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:32,720
Speaker 13: sure teaching, Massad?

1144
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:36,359
Speaker 11: So Massad, of all the different things that would come

1145
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:39,879
Speaker 11: to mind, why does their intelligence service come to mind?

1146
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:42,840
Speaker 14: Reminds me of the CIA? You know has the CIA?

1147
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 14: You have the CIA involved with RFK. I mean, there's

1148
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 14: rumors going around maybe Missad is a part of the

1149
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:50,720
Speaker 14: Epstein files, If maybe Missad was a part of things

1150
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 14: that we don't know about, and there's a They're just

1151
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 14: like the Central Intelligence Agency. They are out there doing

1152
00:56:58,080 --> 00:56:59,720
Speaker 14: things that none of us know about.

1153
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:04,319
Speaker 11: So to say Massad first, that would basically imply your

1154
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 11: first impression is one of doubt. Is that fair to say?

1155
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:07,439
Speaker 1: Yes?

1156
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:07,840
Speaker 11: Okay?

1157
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 15: When you hear like Epstein, Right, do you connect the

1158
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 15: Epstein issue initially, like immediately first connection in your mind?

1159
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 15: That's also connected to Masada in Israel? Or are they

1160
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:18,439
Speaker 15: feel separate in your mind?

1161
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 9: I think there's a growing consensus that there's a connection there.

1162
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 14: Emongen Z.

1163
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 11: Yeah, I think that's definitely gaining velocity.

1164
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 3: So keep in mind that was filmed a couple of weeks,

1165
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 3: like a week or two ago. Right, Yeah, this was

1166
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 3: when the Tucker things and they still what was the

1167
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 3: number one kind of thing you heard there?

1168
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 1: Aid? Mosad liability? Interesting?

1169
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't think they mean aid in a positive.

1170
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:42,919
Speaker 3: I was going to say, right, they're not talking about

1171
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 3: aid in a way that you may want, you know,

1172
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 3: not in the Rabbi whatever that guy's name is. It's

1173
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 3: in the way that we're talking about here. So clearly

1174
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 3: this is penetrating the propaganda, the spooky propaganda is getting through.

1175
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 3: And actually that really I think came through in this

1176
00:57:58,800 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 3: next one.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.

1178
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 11: Who used the word aid?

1179
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 1: You did?

1180
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 11: Why did that come to mind?

1181
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 1: First?

1182
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 16: It's very similar to our support for Ukraine. We're sending

1183
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 16: a lot of money over there, not really getting in

1184
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 16: my opinion, a huge return on investment. And so that's

1185
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 16: like the first thing that comes to mind, because when

1186
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 16: people talk about their distrust or disupport for Israel, that's

1187
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 16: the first thing that usually comes up, is all the

1188
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 16: money that we're sending them.

1189
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 9: I think we have a lot bigger issues at home.

1190
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Speaker 9: I think we should be spending most of our tax

1191
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 9: dollars on securing our border, keeping our home people safe.

1192
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:34,160
Speaker 15: When you talk about return on investment, I think that's

1193
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 15: an interesting way to frame it. The supporters of Israel

1194
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:41,000
Speaker 15: will say they're doing a lot of America's dirty work

1195
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 15: from intelligence gathering, things like that within the Middle East.

1196
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 15: Is that compelling to you? Are you persuaded by that argument?

1197
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:51,439
Speaker 16: The reason why I'm not super persuaded is especially it's

1198
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 16: mostly because of here recently, we were kind of drug

1199
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Speaker 16: into it. We were negotiating, we were having negotiations, and

1200
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Speaker 16: then they they killed the people we were negotiating with,

1201
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 16: and it kind of derailed everything and sped up the

1202
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 16: conflict a little bit.

1203
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:10,800
Speaker 13: It was the State Department's stated goal that we were

1204
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 13: working on negotiations with the run. You can say they

1205
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 13: wouldn't have panned out. You can say that maybe they

1206
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 13: were imminently about to collapse, but we were still in

1207
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 13: active negotiation. And yet Israel launches Operation Rising Lion to

1208
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 13: go in and strike a run while we are mid negotiation.

1209
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 11: How many of you guys would say you think Israel

1210
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 11: got us into that conflict? You would say yes, you

1211
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 11: would not say so much.

1212
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 17: I think we were willing to join that conflict. I

1213
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Speaker 17: don't think we were pulled in unwantingly, as if we

1214
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:45,640
Speaker 17: were dragged by a leash, you know, in more un

1215
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:48,560
Speaker 17: certain terms. I think we have the authority and to

1216
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 17: say of whether or not we want to be involved

1217
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 17: in that conflict, and I think we saw the prosperity

1218
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Speaker 17: that we would unleash if we joined the conflict.

1219
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 16: The amount over since nineteen forty eight, it amounts to

1220
00:59:57,600 --> 01:00:01,440
Speaker 16: three hundred and nineteen billion adjusted to inflation, and I'd

1221
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 16: say that I can think of multiple things that we

1222
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 16: could have spent at home that would have been a

1223
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 16: better allocation of our taxpayer dollars. And I feel like

1224
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 16: this money could have been well spent in supporting an

1225
01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 16: economy that would support our generation being able to afford holmes,

1226
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:16,000
Speaker 16: rather than military's trice for Israel.

1227
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Speaker 2: So there you go and go to that dude for

1228
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:19,000
Speaker 2: knowing that number.

1229
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did. I actually didn't even know the inflation.

1230
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:21,800
Speaker 15: Yeah.

1231
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:23,560
Speaker 2: How many members of Congress do you think who are

1232
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:24,480
Speaker 2: voting for that money?

1233
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 7: Right?

1234
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:25,520
Speaker 2: I would have had numbers.

1235
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 3: I would add to chat gpt at to get day

1236
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 3: inflation adjusted number. That's insane. Three hundred and ninety billion

1237
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:33,560
Speaker 3: adjusted for inflation. That's outrageous. Actually, that's almost exactly what

1238
01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:36,919
Speaker 3: we spent on the Afghanistan war over twenty years.

1239
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 1: Just to put it into content.

1240
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Speaker 2: This is Israel's greatest nightmare. I mean, these people are

1241
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:44,040
Speaker 2: the reason why Natanyahu was like let me go on

1242
01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:46,400
Speaker 2: with broken or the noteboys or doing something here, because

1243
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:50,600
Speaker 2: they see they have an issue. Because previously, if you said,

1244
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:52,560
Speaker 2: like back when I was running for Congress in twenty ten,

1245
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:54,840
Speaker 2: if you talked to a Republican about like four and aid,

1246
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:57,240
Speaker 2: they're thinking about like some you know, liberal do good

1247
01:00:57,320 --> 01:00:59,920
Speaker 2: or like in you know, in Africa feeding starving children

1248
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:02,919
Speaker 2: or whatever. Now they're thinking about that, sure, but they're

1249
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 2: thinking like why are we giving all this money of

1250
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:06,880
Speaker 2: these people? Whereas previously they sort of got a pass

1251
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:10,160
Speaker 2: of like the Charlie's assistant there, whoever that guy is

1252
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:12,560
Speaker 2: no disrespect I just generally don't know who he is.

1253
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:16,240
Speaker 2: He says. The Israeli line of like, well, they would say,

1254
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:19,120
Speaker 2: we're doing your dirty work. So this is a great

1255
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:21,800
Speaker 2: this is a great return on investment, Like you're getting

1256
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:24,160
Speaker 2: all this peace and security from the only democracy in

1257
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:28,080
Speaker 2: the Middle East on the cheap, And consensus among all

1258
01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:32,240
Speaker 2: of these young conservative activists is like, no, we actually

1259
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 2: we don't think that that value proposition works out whatsoever.

1260
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:38,400
Speaker 3: And the Christian part is key as well. Only one

1261
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:40,400
Speaker 3: of them said sacred So you can see that that

1262
01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:43,720
Speaker 3: boomer evangelicism evangelism that Ted Cruz.

1263
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:44,959
Speaker 1: Only one of them.

1264
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:46,960
Speaker 3: There is like sacred land and we have to support

1265
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 3: the country of Israel because the Bible commands us too.

1266
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:52,120
Speaker 1: That's not what I'm hearing from the rest of these people.

1267
01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:55,440
Speaker 3: And that actually fits with the APAC line in particular,

1268
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:57,880
Speaker 3: which is the next part here about APAC and kind

1269
01:01:57,920 --> 01:01:58,840
Speaker 3: of its special treatment.

1270
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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen there.

1271
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:02,240
Speaker 18: The entirety of the idea of a pack is to

1272
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:04,880
Speaker 18: represent a group. But the fact that we're having we're

1273
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:08,680
Speaker 18: allowing a group that doesn't even represent American interests to

1274
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:11,520
Speaker 18: influence the people who are supposed to be representing US

1275
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Speaker 18: I have a huge problem with.

1276
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Speaker 15: But when you hear that lots of other countries also

1277
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:19,720
Speaker 15: are lobbying, do you think I mean that you probably

1278
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:22,280
Speaker 15: don't know the names of those countries, but it's happening.

1279
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:25,320
Speaker 15: Does that upset you equally? Or is a pact just

1280
01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:27,600
Speaker 15: get all the press because it's so top of mine

1281
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:31,400
Speaker 15: if those other ones are doing the same thing, of course.

1282
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Speaker 3: Yeah see, and that's look no offense again to that guy.

1283
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:36,640
Speaker 3: But there's a little bit of a struggle session.

1284
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:41,919
Speaker 19: Element to us, right, and Charlie bow and I sympathize,

1285
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:44,280
Speaker 19: I get where they listen. The amount of I mean,

1286
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:48,160
Speaker 19: people need to understand the pressure that they're putting on

1287
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:52,720
Speaker 19: these types of people is unbelievable. Like it's not just money,

1288
01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:56,720
Speaker 19: it's blowing up your phone, your whole social circle. Their

1289
01:02:57,240 --> 01:03:01,000
Speaker 19: nightmare is even having this being aired. People understand like

1290
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:03,720
Speaker 19: the fact that this, you know, in my opinion, like

1291
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Speaker 19: pretty mild criticism of Israel and military action even gets airtime,

1292
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Speaker 19: or that Tucker gets to question dual.

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Speaker 3: Citizenship or whatever on this date. You had to understand

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Speaker 3: the level of freakout and pressure that happened. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I'm sure you saw Laura Lumer and others, meaning like

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Speaker 3: any Jewish person who donated to Charlie needs to rescind there,

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Speaker 3: you know. I mean, this is a genuine existential threat.

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Speaker 3: It's also a view into kind of how the machine works,

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Speaker 3: and so that's what people need. That's why I think

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Speaker 3: that content that clip paired with this, this all makes

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Speaker 3: a lot of sense in terms of the level of

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Speaker 3: pressure right now that's happening. I mean, I'm sure you

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Speaker 3: also saw rostout that at the New York Times. He

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Speaker 3: wrote that piece how Israel's war became under I mean,

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Speaker 3: that's that's a free The freak out over that and

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Speaker 3: within the right is crazy even right now over at

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Speaker 3: National Review and the level of attacks that are coming

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Speaker 3: to anybody who's questioned open support for Israel against like

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Speaker 3: my friends over at the American Conservative, which are a

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Speaker 3: restreint based organization's the same thing, anti Semitism, blood libel Tucker.

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Speaker 3: The front page of National Review magazine is an entire

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Speaker 3: article where Yours truly is also quoted and named about

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Speaker 3: Tucker's dark turn against Jews and antisemit Like, just so

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Speaker 3: people understand like what this or listen, I mean, I

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Speaker 3: don't care anymore, but like that has currency in this town,

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Speaker 3: just so people understand. It will make you unemployable and

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Speaker 3: unworkable in a lot of environments, uninvitable, too many different things.

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Speaker 3: That's what's happening, and that's just leading to this, you know,

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Speaker 3: and not to mention actually really getting down.

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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, and that's why it's important that we understand what

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Speaker 2: actual independent media is. You know that there aren't some

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Speaker 2: random billionaires with various ideological interests that you're like existentially

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Speaker 2: dependent on in order to continue like making content or

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Speaker 2: doing your activism or whatever it is. Those things really

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Speaker 2: matter because you know, Charlie is like if you watch

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Speaker 2: through this focus group, like he is sort of tortured,

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Speaker 2: you know, go to a law like does a lot

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Speaker 2: and has his guy there to like sort of toe

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Speaker 2: the Israeli line, Like yeah, but it's a good of

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Speaker 2: return on investment and only democracy and to make sure

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Speaker 2: that it stays within a bounds that's not going to

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Speaker 2: completely nuke his enterprise. There's one last clip we can

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Speaker 2: show you from this having to do with anti Semitism.

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Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and take a listen to that.

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Speaker 11: There is a rise of Jew hate, but it's not

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Speaker 11: the majority mover. I think the majority mover of gen

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Speaker 11: Z and gen Z conservatives is exhaustion precisely. Would you

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Speaker 11: guys think that's a fair categorization. And again there is

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Speaker 11: like an isolated like weirdo I hate Jews. We don't

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Speaker 11: like that. No one likes, no one, no one in

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Speaker 11: decent society wants that. But instead it's kind of like,

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Speaker 11: can we just I don't know, make it so I

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Speaker 11: can buy a home or like deport people?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Is that?

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Speaker 11: Does that resonate with you?

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Speaker 1: Exactly?

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Speaker 11: You're not anti Israel, you don't wish them harm. You're

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Speaker 11: not you know, like cheering on Iran.

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Speaker 1: No I support I think I want them.

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Speaker 11: But you would be called in anti Semite by some

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Speaker 11: people for saying this, and I.

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Speaker 1: Think that's ridiculous.

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Speaker 9: I don't hate Jews because I think a nation should

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Speaker 9: defend themselves exactly.

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Speaker 1: Like I think that's the most ridiculous thing ever.

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Speaker 9: I feel like it's becoming like the word racism, like

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Speaker 9: we just disagree with them, so we just have to

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Speaker 9: call them a name. I don't think they're actually anti Semitic.

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Speaker 9: I think people just can't agree with them, and they

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Speaker 9: can't prove them wrong. So they just throw a word

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Speaker 9: out and be like, you're anti Semitic for because you

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Speaker 9: think that we should stop sending our money.

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Speaker 1: There, breach, brother, breach, He's exactly right.

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Speaker 3: There's nothing, there's actually nothing woker than anti Semitism, the

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Speaker 3: anti Semitism industrial complex, all of.

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Speaker 1: The hallmarks, all of the hallmarks.

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Speaker 3: Of anti racism have been dialed up to one hundred

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Speaker 3: for anti Semitism under our government.

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Speaker 1: I mean have said this before.

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Speaker 3: The current Anti Semitism Task Force by the Trump administration

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Speaker 3: is as close the government has ever come to the

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Speaker 3: Department of Anti Racism proposed in Ibrahim Kenny's book, which

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Speaker 3: obviously I oppose, but you know, obviously we don't have

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Speaker 3: the same level of opposition. You know, Ron DeSantis has

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Speaker 3: got affirmative action with state resources for Jews down in Florida.

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Speaker 2: It's fucking nuts, okay, j hhs. Yeah, No, literally is

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Speaker 2: pursuing the anti semitism. I mean, the you know, going

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Speaker 2: the tax on the university is the snatching up of

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Speaker 2: college students, like the government censorship is just like it

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Speaker 2: is crazy.

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Speaker 3: Look, I hate the universities. Okay, everybody knows. Can we

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Speaker 3: all accept that I hate Harvard all all of these.

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Speaker 3: I think there's Scott like actual leeches on the US government,

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Speaker 3: on our society. I think they're bad not because of

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Speaker 3: their Middle Eastern Studies department, and that is the current

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Speaker 3: way that they are what they're currently. The current shakedown

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Speaker 3: on Columbia was you have to pay US two hundred

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Speaker 3: million dollars and then we get to install a standards

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Speaker 3: department over specifically your Middle Eastern Studies depart what.

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Speaker 1: You know, this is not even a free speech.

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Speaker 2: Then they're putting a by are we in a CBS

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Speaker 2: all right?

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 1: And it's too much. It's all just too.

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Speaker 3: Much, all right. And yeah, that's where we are. That's

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Speaker 3: currently where we are right now with the right. I

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Speaker 3: hope people wake up. You know, Steve Bannon a few

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Speaker 3: other they're fighting, but I'm skin think he's got a

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Speaker 3: good quote.

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Speaker 1: I'll read it to after we get off the show.