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Speaker 1: Hils Valoscian. Here today on tech Stuff, we want to

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Speaker 1: share an episode of another kaleidoscope podcast, No Such Thing.

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Speaker 1: No Such Thing is hosted by Manny, Noah and Devon,

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Speaker 1: We've got for You Today asked the question which is

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Speaker 1: close to my heart, why do Tesla door handles suck?

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Speaker 1: And No such Thing. Guys aren't the only ones with

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Speaker 1: a strong opinion about the door handles. In fact, just

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Speaker 1: over a month ago, China banned hidden door handles because

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Speaker 1: of the safety risks. In this episode, the hosts also

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Speaker 1: try to figure out why microwaves come with so many

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Speaker 1: unnecessary buttons and why couches have diminished in quality over

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Speaker 1: the years. And you'll hear a familiar voice friend of

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Speaker 1: have a new episode of tech Stuff. Carrot chats with

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Speaker 1: no such.

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Speaker 2: Thing him many.

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Speaker 3: I'm Noah, and this is devn and this is no

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Speaker 3: such thing. The show where we sat are our dumb

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Speaker 3: arguments and yours by actually doing the research. On today's episode,

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Speaker 3: why does everything suck?

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Speaker 4: No, No, there's no such thing, no such thing. Touch

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Speaker 4: thank touch, thank touch thank.

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Speaker 3: All Right, fellas, Welcome to Devin Design Week, which is

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Speaker 3: not a week.

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Speaker 5: It's just one episode of the podcast. It will take

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Speaker 5: you a week. You break it up. Uh, this is.

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Speaker 3: Gonna be mostly me complaining about things in my life

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Speaker 3: that I hate the design of. So we're gonna be

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Speaker 3: talking about Tesla door handles, we're gonna be talking about microwaves,

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Speaker 3: and we're gonna be talking about couches.

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Speaker 5: So let's get right into it.

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Speaker 2: Let's dive in.

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Speaker 3: It's one am. You know you're at a bar. It's

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Speaker 3: a little too late. You don't want to take the

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Speaker 3: subway home. Pull up the Uber and left app. You're

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Speaker 3: comparing prices. You call a car Uber is a little

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Speaker 3: bit cheaper, and look what you got. I got damn Tesla.

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Speaker 2: Helping the environment.

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Speaker 5: Helping the environment. Sure, but why the funk is it

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Speaker 5: so hard to open the door and the dance Tesla?

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Speaker 5: I don't know how to open this.

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Speaker 6: I'm poor.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how to open that.

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Speaker 7: I want to open the door.

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Speaker 5: You gotta grab.

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Speaker 7: Try it again, try it again.

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Speaker 3: Look, this is politics aside for this conversation. I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: be neutral on Elon Musk.

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Speaker 5: I love that, Okay, I love this.

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Speaker 2: The bumper stickers people getting.

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I got this before you up?

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Speaker 2: Where do they buy those? Even? It's like, what the hell?

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Speaker 5: Anyway? On So he's a genius. This guy's great. What

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Speaker 5: have you ever done?

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Speaker 2: So?

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Speaker 3: And I will say this, you know, before I talk

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Speaker 3: all this shit about Tesla's I'm not a car guy

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Speaker 3: at all, you know, but people love to be like,

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Speaker 3: what what car?

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Speaker 7: Like?

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Speaker 3: If you could get your dream car, what would you get?

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Speaker 3: So for a while there I was like, I don't know,

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Speaker 3: Tesla's look kind of cool. That would be kind of

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Speaker 3: cool to have a Tesla. But then do y'all remember

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Speaker 3: I would. When I would see it, I'm like, oh, cool,

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Speaker 3: it's a Tesla. But then you get inside, I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 3: these are not like the inside of Tesla's are not

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you get in, it's like comfortable, there's like you know, cupholder.

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Speaker 5: With the damn door handles? Yeah, the get in is

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Speaker 3: All right, you're outside, You're like you got to push

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Speaker 3: like your finger gets a little bit of pinch, not

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Speaker 3: much the grass, No, once you even get it.

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Speaker 2: Is it a like I always wonder is it a

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Speaker 5: But like every why do that, you know, every other door.

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Speaker 3: That's one one thing we don't really complain about with

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Speaker 3: cars anymore, so how to open them. You know, no

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Speaker 3: car door. It's like, we got it. You know, like

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Speaker 3: the handles pity ergonomic, you know, you kind of do it.

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Speaker 5: It's pretty natural, opens up pretty easily.

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Speaker 2: The weird thing is because like I remember hearing you know,

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Speaker 2: like so many cars do that like in a way

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Speaker 3: And then you know, getting in is one thing. What's

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Speaker 3: time I do it, I'm putting the window.

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Speaker 2: Or like locking the cart to press.

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Speaker 3: And I still don't quite understand how to do it,

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Speaker 3: and I'm like, how do I just open the door?

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Speaker 2: Well, we've been trained growing up in like the early

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Speaker 2: We've been trained to look at a button that shows

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Speaker 2: a car door and press that to lock the car

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Speaker 2: lock the door. Now, I mean, it does feel like

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Speaker 3: And every time, you know, it's when I get in there,

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Speaker 3: the purpose there? There must be some sort of purpose

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Speaker 3: redesigned the car door handle, right, They're like They're not

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Speaker 3: just doing it to fuck with us. Any theories as

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Speaker 3: to why the outside makes sense to something like you're saying,

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Speaker 3: nothing sticking out? Okay, yeah, why are inside? Why on

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Speaker 5: I wouldn't understand how to use it.

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Speaker 2: Yes for me, oftentimes two, three, four am and I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and now I'm in the dark trying to figure

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Speaker 2: The driver's like yelling yeah.

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Speaker 5: I like in some some of them they put instructions.

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Speaker 3: You ever see They're like, here's how you open the

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Speaker 5: It's too complicated.

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Speaker 3: That's not something I should have to think about when

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Speaker 3: So that's the first thing. Then I'm gonna get to

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Speaker 3: I don't like microwaves. All right, I got a new microwave.

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Speaker 3: About six months ago, my old microwave was randomly sparking. Oh,

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Speaker 3: and just do add thirty seconds.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, But over.

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Speaker 3: So, like, for example, I was melting some butter. I

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Speaker 3: there's a soft oh yeah, melt button soft and meltain.

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Speaker 3: So I clicked that. Nothing happens, all right, Okay, as

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Speaker 3: that game. Maybe I clicked that and then hit another.

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Speaker 2: Button like it didn't turn on nothing, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: It didn't turn on. So I hit the soft mount

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Speaker 3: then one. Then it's like there's an S two on

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Speaker 3: the on the microwaves. What the hell does that mean?

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Speaker 3: So I'm like, all right, I just hit start, nothing happens.

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Speaker 3: So then I'm just like, well, you know, clear it

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Speaker 3: all out, yeah, just make it. Just add thirty seconds

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, it's just butter.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. But then you know they have the popcorn button.

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Speaker 5: There's other things on there there.

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Speaker 2: It's like potato button. Yeah, yeah, like the frosty steaks

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And I feel like anytime I try to do anything

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Speaker 3: a manual to use this. Why isn't it Like, what's

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Speaker 3: the point of the button If it's not simple? Right,

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Speaker 3: If you have a button, I should be able to

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Speaker 3: press it and then just do the thing.

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Speaker 5: Hmm.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like the the Kevin Garnett and uncut jams.

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Speaker 7: Why the fuck would you show me something if I

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Speaker 7: couldn't have it? Then what you're bringing this out?

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Speaker 5: Exactly?

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Speaker 3: Know what's your experience been with microwaves? You have a

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Speaker 3: positive microwave experience?

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Speaker 6: I try not to on my MAHA stuff, I try

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Speaker 6: to avoid the microwave oh less.

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Speaker 5: They're not cheap though, Hay couches are not cheap.

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Speaker 5: Welcome to Week two of Devin Design. Week.

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Speaker 3: Before the break, we were complaining about Tesla door handles.

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Speaker 5: Which is a podcast.

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Speaker 3: Okay, you know time Time is a constructs Yeah, before

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Speaker 9: My name is Arion Marshall, and I'm a staff writer Wired,

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Speaker 3: So I really wanted Arian to break down the difference

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Speaker 9: Automakers for many, many years have been showing off these

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Speaker 3: Is that like the thinking behind the redesign is it's

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Speaker 5: Is that really?

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Speaker 3: Is there any functionality that's better outside of like you're saying,

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Speaker 9: Yeah, that that kind of seems to be it. It's

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Speaker 7: Look at us.

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Speaker 2: I mean, why can't you have an aerodynamic car handle

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Speaker 3: back of a Tuesla. You're trying to get out, your

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Speaker 3: pressing the button, the window's going down. What the hell's

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Speaker 3: going on? So I learned that the window going down

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Speaker 3: is a thing that actually happens on purpose. You know,

444
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Speaker 3: when you press that button and the window goes down

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Speaker 3: a little bit. Oh, when you're getting out of the car,

446
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Speaker 3: that's the right button. Window, that's the right button you're hitting.

447
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Speaker 3: I always thought, oh, I pressed the wrong button. The

448
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Speaker 3: windows going down, that's the window button. I gotta press

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Speaker 3: another button to get out.

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 5: But no.

452
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Speaker 3: So when you go to open the tussel doors, whether

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Speaker 3: you're on the outside or inside, the window goes down

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Speaker 3: a little bit so that it can clear the trim.

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Speaker 3: So Tesla's have what's called like a tremless window, so

456
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Speaker 3: the window goes right up to the roof. So ifewres

457
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Speaker 3: to try to open the door while the window was

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Speaker 3: completely up, the window could potentially break because there's a

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Speaker 3: seal that the window forms with the top of the roof,

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Speaker 3: So the window goes down a little bit to break

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Speaker 3: that seal so that you can open the door easily.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 3: So this blew my mind because I thought every time

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Speaker 3: I was leaving the car, I'm pressing the wrong but

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Speaker 3: I'm putting the window.

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Speaker 5: Then you're trying to go out too fast.

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Speaker 3: Essentially, yes, you know, I need to press the button,

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Speaker 3: give it up, due, Okay, now I can continue. But

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Speaker 3: I was pressing the button and thinking, oh shit, this

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Speaker 3: is the wrong button. Then I just stop and I'm like,

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Speaker 3: I don't know what the private how do I get out?

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Speaker 3: And he's like, no, you idiot, that's what's supposed to have.

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Speaker 3: But no one has ever explained that to me.

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Speaker 5: I never knew.

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Speaker 3: This is the first time I'm hearing of it. That's

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Speaker 3: why I love this podcast. You learned something new every day.

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Speaker 5: All right.

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Speaker 3: So Tesla does this thing that looks cool, right, They

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Speaker 3: got these new door handles. Other automakers actually started copying them.

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Speaker 3: But despite it looking cool, there are some real complaints

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Speaker 3: about this tussle door handle.

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Speaker 5: Outside of me just being petty.

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Speaker 9: Bloomberg published this big report that really went deep into

484
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Speaker 9: the issues with these door handles because they're electronic. If

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Speaker 9: the twelve volt battery that powers the car, so that's

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Speaker 9: like the big electric vehicle battery, but the littler battery

487
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Speaker 9: that powers other little kind of incidential parts of the car,

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Speaker 9: if it dies, you might not be able to get

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Speaker 9: in or out of your car, really inconvenient. Tesla and

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Speaker 9: other automakers do have mechanical releases, but where those mechanical

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Speaker 9: releases are is different.

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Speaker 5: In every car.

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Speaker 9: There's no kind of standard, and there have been complaints

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Speaker 9: that in Tesla vehicles, particularly also in the vehicles from ribbyan,

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Speaker 9: another electric car maker, they are really hard to find.

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Speaker 9: And that's like kind of inconvenient. But in an emergency situation,

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Speaker 9: if your car's on fire, if your child is in

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Speaker 9: the back of your if you've exited the car and

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Speaker 9: you're going to get in the car seat and they're

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Speaker 9: locked in the car, they can't find a mechanical release.

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Speaker 9: So there have been some complaints and now we've seen

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Speaker 9: actually there have been at least two lawsuits fired where

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Speaker 9: people have alleged that people have died because they've gotten

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Speaker 9: stuck in Tesla's while the test have been on fire

505
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Speaker 9: and the people have been unable to accept the cars

506
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Speaker 9: because they've been unable to find these mechanical releases in

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Speaker 9: time to escape. So scary, bad stuff, like something that

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Speaker 9: looks cool but maybe has a serious downside.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So, because these handles are electric, if something happens to

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Speaker 3: your car battery, if there's a fire, you have to

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Speaker 3: use a mechanical release to open the door. And I

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Speaker 3: was just poking around, like the mechanical releases are not

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Speaker 3: like sometimes near the door, there's sometimes under seats and stuff,

515
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Speaker 3: so it's not in a place that you would naturally

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Speaker 3: think to look like, Okay, this door handle isn't working

517
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Speaker 3: all right, Right next to it, I press this button

518
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Speaker 3: and then it'll do the same thing. It's like you

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Speaker 3: kind of need to know before you get into that

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Speaker 3: situation what to do. And I imagine most people, you know,

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Speaker 3: you're not researching where are the mechanical releases and educating

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Speaker 3: everyone who's going to be in your car, or.

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Speaker 2: Do we know where the Tesla mechanical release.

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Speaker 3: It's different for each car. There isn't like a standard

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Speaker 3: for every single Tesla. It's in this spot.

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Speaker 2: Wow mm hmm, yep. I remember reading about this like

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Speaker 2: a year ago. There was like some horrific crash.

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Speaker 10: The family of one of the victims of last year's

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Speaker 10: deadly cyber truck crash in Piedmont is now suing Tesla.

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Speaker 10: Three college students died in the crash. A lawsuit filed

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Speaker 10: by the family of Christazukahara claims she suffered only minor

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Speaker 10: injuries in the crash, but couldn't get out of the

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Speaker 10: car or be rescued after the vehicle's main battery caught fire.

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Speaker 10: They say she died from either the flames or from

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Speaker 10: smoke inhalation. The family blames the cyber truck's door design.

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Speaker 10: A statement from the family reads, quote, her death was preventable.

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Speaker 10: We are filing this lawsuit not just for accountability. But

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Speaker 10: because there are other families out there who may never

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Speaker 10: know the risks until it's too late.

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Speaker 3: But it does seem like some changes are coming to

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Speaker 3: the Tesla door handles.

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Speaker 9: Earlier this year, the Chinese regulator that looks over like

543
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Speaker 9: technology in the country put out a that they were

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Speaker 9: going to be finally regulating these door handles. So it

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Speaker 9: seems like it will require Tesla to redesign make the

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Speaker 9: mechanical release kind of next to or like right with

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Speaker 9: the electronic door handles, so if, for example, the battery dies,

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Speaker 9: you can still use the door handle really easily. Tesla

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Speaker 9: has now said that they're redesigning their door handles. They

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Speaker 9: came out and said this in September, and they're head

551
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Speaker 9: of design went on TV and said, hey, we want

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Speaker 9: to make this more intuitive to use.

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Speaker 10: Have you considered a redesign or a fix for these issues.

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Speaker 11: We actually have a mechanical release that's basically right at

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Speaker 11: the electronic one two, and we're combining the two so

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Speaker 11: you know, in the moments that you're in a panic situation,

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Speaker 11: the muscle memory to go to you know what you

558
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Speaker 11: know is right there, so you just pull a little

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Speaker 11: bit further on the lever and you have the mechanical release.

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Speaker 5: So that's something that we're working on.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, And the reason why China is doing it is

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Speaker 9: because they had a highly publicized incident where a Chinese

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Speaker 9: automaker with these door handles, someone was driving in one

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Speaker 9: of these cars. They got into a crash and it

565
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Speaker 9: seems that, uh, the person got trapped in the car

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Speaker 9: and died while it was on fire. And there's kind

567
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Speaker 9: of an interesting dynamic here because I think a lot

568
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Speaker 9: of people still have the idea that like things are

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Speaker 9: underregulated in China. It's the wild West in terms of products,

570
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Speaker 9: like they're doing whatever, they're putting out whatever. But actually

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Speaker 9: China has been really at the forefront of auto regulation specifically,

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Speaker 9: so we're now getting to this place where like the

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Speaker 9: rest of the world might be taking cues from what

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Speaker 9: China is doing.

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Speaker 3: And you said there was some news that broke today

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Speaker 3: on this what was that news.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, So the news this morning is that the NITSA,

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Speaker 9: the US regulator, put out a letter that said that

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Speaker 9: they have gotten even more complaints from consumers about this

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Speaker 9: door handle issues since they first announced their probe a

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Speaker 9: few weeks ago. So they're basically like expanding the probe.

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Speaker 9: And then the other news that came out today is

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Speaker 9: that there is a the family of a Wisconsin couple

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Speaker 9: who died last year after their Tesla caught fire or

585
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Speaker 9: actually suing Tesla because they say that they were unable

586
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Speaker 9: to There were actually five people in that car, and

587
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Speaker 9: they say they were unable to escape because the door

588
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 9: handles got stuck or didn't work.

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Speaker 12: The lawsuit claims Tesla's door design trapped the couple inside

590
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Speaker 12: the burning car. The family is seeking to hold Tesla

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Speaker 12: accountable for allegedly designing vehicles that make survivabal crashes fatal.

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Speaker 5: That's horrible. It's like, looks cool, but yeah, you can

593
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Speaker 5: get trapped in it.

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Speaker 3: You know, if your car's on fire. Maybe not worth

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Speaker 3: the cool design over your door.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, And there's a I think there's a a sort

597
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Speaker 9: of interesting balance. And I'm sure you see this not

598
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Speaker 9: only in cars, but like the entire tech world, where

599
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Speaker 9: it's like, we can do this with engineering. Is it

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Speaker 9: worth it? Is it better than the stuff we have

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Speaker 9: right now? Like, it looks cool, it's fun, but does

602
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Speaker 9: it like does does the wheel like should we just

603
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Speaker 9: stick with the wheel? Do we need to like reinvent

604
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 9: the wheel. Maybe we should just stick with the wheel. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels like with the car innovations, it made

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Speaker 2: sense when windows stopped being like the roll up thing

607
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Speaker 2: and they switched to the button, because I don't know,

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Speaker 2: it's like easier, it's like it's easier. But but for

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Speaker 2: the door, it's like it hadn't solved the problem. Like

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Speaker 2: it's electric, but we're still pushing it with our you know,

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Speaker 2: with physical force.

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Speaker 5: But it looks cool for something.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Next on things I hate for Devin design a week,

615
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Speaker 3: we have microwaves, So we're actually gonna call up a

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Speaker 3: fellow member of the Kaleidoscope family and three time Emmy

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Speaker 3: Award winning journalists and hosts of the hit podcast kill

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Speaker 3: Switch Extra, Thomas.

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Speaker 5: All Right, Dexter, thank you for joining us. I'm very

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Speaker 5: happy to be here. What's going on here?

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Speaker 3: You know, we just got done talking about Tesla door handles,

622
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Speaker 3: and now we're on to number two on my list

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Speaker 3: of things I don't like, which are microwaves. Yes, we've

624
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Speaker 3: all talked about our own microwave journeys, but I'm curious

625
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Speaker 3: to hear about your own microwave journey.

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Speaker 5: So I hate my microwave.

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Speaker 13: There's like two branching thoughts here, like I really hate

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Speaker 13: my microwave. I bought it, I want to say, I

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Speaker 13: bought on an eBay or something like that. And there's

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Speaker 13: so many buttons on it like that you can't really

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Speaker 13: tell what's going on at a glance. Like I think

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Speaker 13: any kind of good design you sh be able to

633
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Speaker 13: understand what's going on immediately.

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Speaker 5: Here's what you got to do with it, you know

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Speaker 5: what I mean.

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Speaker 13: And it's like the start button is exactly the same

637
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Speaker 13: size as the zero button, and it's also close to it,

638
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Speaker 13: and there's all these different mode buttons, and so you

639
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Speaker 13: walk to it, and you know you're tired or you're

640
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Speaker 13: you know, inebriated. You're tired and inebriated, and you don't

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Speaker 13: know what to do with the microwave, and like you

642
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Speaker 13: should be able to. It's a microwave. It's meant to

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Speaker 13: make your life simple. So why am I having difficulty

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Speaker 13: when I want to warm up some soup? So I've

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Speaker 13: been thinking about that a lot. And then at the

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Speaker 13: same time, have y'all heard of the Steve Jobs microwave?

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Speaker 10: No, Every once in a while, a revolutionary product comes

648
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Speaker 10: along that changes everything.

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Speaker 13: The Steve Jobs microwave is Steve Jobs famously said We're

650
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Speaker 13: going to get to this, but famously said that any

651
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Speaker 13: microwave should only have I think like two buttons, which

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Speaker 13: is the plusty second button and the start button, and

653
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Speaker 13: that's it. And I saw that online somewhere and I said,

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Speaker 13: you know what, this actually makes a lot of sense.

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Speaker 13: And then I got curious and I started looking it up.

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Speaker 13: I don't think this dude said that, Oh.

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Speaker 2: Wow, got a classic Mark Twain situation.

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Speaker 5: Exactly.

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Speaker 13: Yes, yes, So I've been spending way too long on this,

660
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Speaker 13: like way too long on this, and like the best

661
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Speaker 13: that I can find is a bunch of people posting

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Speaker 13: this on LinkedIn.

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Speaker 5: Oh it's a classic LinkedIn post.

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Speaker 3: Exactly the energy of Like that quote has the energy

665
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Speaker 3: of LinkedIn very much. It'll be like Steve Jobs famously

666
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Speaker 3: said that a microwave should only have It's really all

667
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Speaker 3: about getting down to what's important. And that's why I've

668
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Speaker 3: laid off seventy percent of the people who I employed.

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Speaker 3: And it's really all about being powerful. Yeah, down to

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Speaker 3: the essentials. I really think this dude didn't say it,

671
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Speaker 3: but there is maybe he did.

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Speaker 5: Maybe he did.

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Speaker 13: I just can't find the source of it. Like I

674
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Speaker 13: see it on Twitter, I've seen it on LinkedIn. I've

675
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Speaker 13: gone back as far as I can. Maybe I could

676
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Speaker 13: do more research.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

678
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Speaker 13: But whoever came up with this I think actually is correct.

679
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:21,359
Speaker 13: I think they're actually right. And so what I did,

680
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Speaker 13: and just just as an experiment, like I tried looking

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Speaker 13: around to see, Okay, is there a microwave that only

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Speaker 13: has a thirty second like a thirty plus thirty seconds

683
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Speaker 13: stop and start? Yeah you know what I mean? Those

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Speaker 13: three I think, yeah? Those are those?

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Speaker 5: Are it?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah?

687
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Speaker 7: Yeah?

688
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Speaker 5: And so.

689
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Speaker 13: I tried it. I tried making my own Steve Jobs microwave.

690
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Speaker 13: What yeah, yeah, like not, I can't. I can't build

691
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Speaker 13: microwaves like I'm not.

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Speaker 5: No, no, no, yeah, you know. I three d P in

693
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Speaker 5: my own micro We.

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Speaker 2: No got a kickstarted going.

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Speaker 13: Yeah exactly, maybe maybe after this maybe we should started.

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Speaker 5: I don't know. The Steve Johns microwave, no such things.

697
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Speaker 2: Steve Johns microwave.

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Speaker 5: Sounds pretty good.

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Speaker 13: But so what I did was I honestly just duct tape.

700
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Speaker 13: I just put tape over everything I don't want, And

701
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 13: so the number pad blacked out, like all the different

702
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Speaker 13: options blacked out, the logo blacked out. I forgot who

703
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Speaker 13: makes it. I can't even diss the microwave manufacturing more

704
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 13: because I forgot who made it. It's just my microwave

705
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 13: now everything every so it's not duct tape. It's like

706
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Speaker 13: black tape. But I've had it like that for like

707
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Speaker 13: a year. It's great.

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Speaker 3: So you blacked out everything, but thirty seconds start and stop.

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Speaker 5: That's it. Wow, that's it life changing.

710
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Speaker 13: You can walk up, you can be tired, you can

711
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 13: be a kneebriad, you can be a combination of the above.

712
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Speaker 13: And there's only three buttons of press. And it's not

713
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Speaker 13: stop because it's not running. It's not start because there's

714
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Speaker 13: no time on it. I guess I better push thirty

715
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 13: one option? Really, like, do you only have one option?

716
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Speaker 13: And really, really you could pull out. You could take

717
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Speaker 13: out the stop. Yeah, you can just open the door

718
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 13: because we could get it down to one button. Frankly,

719
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 13: there's one big button right there. You could punch it

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Speaker 13: just like you're mad.

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Speaker 2: Kind push the door in.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, this is perfect.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just a door. Yeah, I mean is on

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Speaker 5: the is the door that way?

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Speaker 6: It could be you know, a little smaller, get more

726
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Speaker 6: space for other things.

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Speaker 5: More viewing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah there, yeah, yeah, yeah, but we need to patent

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Speaker 3: this before this episode comes out.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we're going to be listening to this.

731
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Speaker 2: That's like true Nirvana, right yeah, yeah, Singularity.

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Speaker 5: That was Dexter Thomas from the podcast He'll Switch.

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Speaker 13: I absolutely want to see all this like email inbox

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Speaker 13: or discord or whatever.

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Speaker 7: You guy.

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Speaker 13: Like like a week later, somebody's like, hey, y'all, I

737
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Speaker 13: got it.

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Speaker 7: It's like a working prototype.

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Speaker 5: Stay tuned after the break. Couches, Couches Couches.

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Speaker 3: Third on the list for Devin Design Week was couches

741
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Speaker 3: as a reminder. I've been on a market for a

742
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Speaker 3: couch for you know, the last four or five years.

743
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Speaker 5: Now, this man sitting I have a couch. I just

744
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 5: want to get a new one. You know.

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Speaker 3: I've been struggling to find something that's both comfortable and affordable.

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Speaker 5: Huh.

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Speaker 3: So I had to figure out why is it so

748
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Speaker 3: hard for me to find a couch? So I called

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Speaker 3: out Sammy Reese. My name is Sammy Race.

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Speaker 14: I write the Snake Newsletter, which is on furniture and design,

751
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 14: with mostly a focus on vintage furniture pieces. I moved

752
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Speaker 14: into the apartment I'm still in about twelve thirteen years ago,

753
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Speaker 14: and it wasn't a time where it was very easy

754
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Speaker 14: to get information on design if you were just kind

755
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 14: of a regular consumer. And I knew a little bit

756
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,320
Speaker 14: about you know, emes and so on, but not that much.

757
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Speaker 14: And I was convinced that there was good stuff out

758
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Speaker 14: there because I needed to buy furniture, you know, so

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Speaker 14: fuck couch, coffee table, all this stuff from my apartment.

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Speaker 3: So he spent some time doing some research, reading some

761
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Speaker 3: design books, and talking to people in the design world,

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Speaker 3: and soon he became known by people in the media

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Speaker 3: industry as the design Guy. And one thing that Sammy

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Speaker 3: has written a lot about is this idea that although

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Speaker 3: we as a society have gotten better in terms of

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Speaker 3: fashion as a whole, it seems like we're lagging behind

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Speaker 3: when it comes to design.

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Speaker 7: I don't think that's kind of troversial.

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Speaker 14: I think probably I don't want to speak for a

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Speaker 14: lot of people, but most people in design would agree

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Speaker 14: with that.

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Speaker 7: Some of it, I think is just a function of.

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Speaker 14: The logistics of you know, furniture and clothing. You can

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Speaker 14: only have one couch at a time in your house,

775
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Speaker 14: couches are more expensive than even a pair of you know,

776
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Speaker 14: wildly expensive designer. But one thing I think that's happened

777
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Speaker 14: with why fashion has sort of gotten the head so

778
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Speaker 14: much of design is that in the last kind of

779
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Speaker 14: fifteen years, what we've seen a lot is sort of

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Speaker 14: a vernacular understanding of fashion, either through street style or

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Speaker 14: through Instagram photos of people's outfits. Here are three things

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Speaker 14: that you will find in my closet this fallen winter.

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Speaker 2: Let's make the best lava that you've seen all.

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Speaker 14: Fall so far, or through you know, photos of people

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Speaker 14: on the runway, as opposed to let's say twenty years

786
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Speaker 14: ago when there wasn't really any vernacular regular people dressing,

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Speaker 14: and then so that becoming more popular as well as

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Speaker 14: the rise of vintage, and the rise of vintage effectively

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Speaker 14: is all the clothing ever made is now available as

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Speaker 14: opposed to just what is popular this season or what's

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Speaker 14: being sold this season. Has just kind of created a

792
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Speaker 14: massive marketplace, I think for clothing and has allowed just

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Speaker 14: people to dress better, which is a long long way

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Speaker 14: of saying that there really isn't anything like that for design.

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Speaker 14: It's very difficult to see different examples of people's homes

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Speaker 14: that are outfitted in you know, really either point of

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Speaker 14: viewways or beautiful ways or impressive ways. For the most part,

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Speaker 14: what we see are professionally interior designed homes.

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Speaker 15: Hey day, it's kindel general, welcome to my house, come

800
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Speaker 15: on in, And those are going to be designed a

801
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Speaker 15: little differently than someone who you know, goes to the

802
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Speaker 15: flea market, you know, every week, or has.

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Speaker 14: Been gifted a couch. And then some of it too

804
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Speaker 14: is I think, you know, again, furniture is more expensive.

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Speaker 2: The comparison to the popularity of like vintage clothing makes

806
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Speaker 2: a lot of sense, because you don't really go to

807
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Speaker 2: someone's apartment and see that they have a couch that's

808
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Speaker 2: like from a different era, like on purpose, Like they

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Speaker 2: didn't seek out some old era couch. I guess some like.

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Speaker 3: Rye, but it's not to your point, it's not as

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Speaker 3: common as like everyone has some sort of you know,

812
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Speaker 3: thrift store vintage peer of something at this point.

813
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Speaker 2: And then if it's a couch from all the way back,

814
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Speaker 2: then it probably is you know, the integrity of it

815
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Speaker 2: is like way less quality, Like if it's actually.

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Speaker 5: From better you're going to learn something. I think you're

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Speaker 5: going to learn some things many good thing, you're good thing,

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Speaker 5: you're on. No such thing. Yeah, No, I think there's

819
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Speaker 5: just fewer. I agree with him completely.

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Speaker 3: I think there's fewer examples of like, you know, if

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Speaker 3: someone has like a really nice house, we've all seen

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Speaker 3: it and talked about it at lant. You know, it's

823
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Speaker 3: like we are all sharing the same five references over.

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Speaker 5: And over again. Yeah, all right.

825
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Speaker 3: So getting back to couches, I wanted to know why

826
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Speaker 3: do modern day couches suck.

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Speaker 14: The main explanation for this from you know, working on this,

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Speaker 14: looking at this stuff talking to people in the industry,

829
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Speaker 14: is that material costs and labor costs are so much

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Speaker 14: higher now than they were in the nineteen sixties, when

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Speaker 14: maybe that was the last gasp of original American furniture

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Speaker 14: that was designed really with a point of view, but

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Speaker 14: it was also aimed towards you know, working people, young families,

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Speaker 14: which is another way of saying it.

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Speaker 7: Was very affordable.

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Speaker 14: And since then, if you were to make a sofa

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Speaker 14: that was similar toime and know, let's say the Eames

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Speaker 14: Executive sofa, it's a nice, almost simple, you know, leather sofa, metal,

839
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Speaker 14: you know, chrome legs, nothing really crazy we've all seen

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Speaker 14: it like one hundred times, and if you were to

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Speaker 14: make something like that new, it sells. It's got to

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Speaker 14: sof for like I'm fifteen k now, but it's that's

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Speaker 14: an eames. There's no way to get that cost down

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Speaker 14: to something reasonable. Or that's what they say anyways. And

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Speaker 14: the other kind of more almost even granular explanations is that, well,

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Speaker 14: you know, the wood has to be shipped in from China,

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Speaker 14: and the timber is more expensive now and they're using

848
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Speaker 14: lousier pieces of timber compared to the wood that they

849
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Speaker 14: were using sixty years ago, which is why it's almost counterintuitive.

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Speaker 14: But you know, you buy an eight thousand dollars sofa

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Speaker 14: in twenty twelve and it's not going to last.

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Speaker 7: And this five.

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Speaker 14: Hundred dollars sofa that your grandparents bought in the fifties

854
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Speaker 14: is a showroom piece.

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Speaker 5: Still there you go, man, have any apologies to me?

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Speaker 2: I meant more of you're getting a couch that was

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Speaker 2: made in the eighties. It's been used so much that.

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Speaker 5: No, that's what that's. Yeah, I hear exactly what you're saying,

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Speaker 5: and I disagree. I think that it holds up.

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Speaker 6: That holds better if you put the twenty twelve couch

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Speaker 6: in nineteen eighty, it'd be dull.

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Speaker 5: Part.

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Speaker 6: Yes, we can at least have a conversation about the

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Speaker 6: eighties couch.

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Speaker 3: So I wanted to ask him, you know, Sammy's an

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Speaker 3: expert on design, what should someone like me do who's

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Speaker 3: out on the market for a couch. You'd be saying,

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Speaker 3: these new couches suck.

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Speaker 5: What would your.

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Speaker 3: Guidance to be for someone who like me who's looking

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Speaker 3: to get a new couch?

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Speaker 5: Do we just got to buy a vintage? Is that

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Speaker 5: the workaround?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 14: I mean so selfishly because of my newsletter, which just

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Speaker 14: guides people towards, you know, vintage furniture that you can

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Speaker 14: buy it like a normal accessible price. Either that means,

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00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 14: you know, selfa that sells for you know, four hundred

879
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 14: five hundred bucks on an auction site. And then the

880
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 14: reason why it's so cheap is because you have to

881
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:52,760
Speaker 14: go through the little bit of a headache.

882
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 7: Of setting up the auction, getting the shipping towards you.

883
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 14: And that's not too difficult. I guide people through that.

884
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 14: But also even if I.

885
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 7: Weren't writing this newsletter, it's.

886
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 14: Effectively that's that's that's what I believe is the Really

887
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 14: it has the best value. Vintage has the best value,

888
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 14: but also has the most variety. You ultimately have to

889
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 14: buy a couch for yourself. You're not buying something that

890
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 14: you see, you know, on someone else's Instagram or in

891
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 14: a magazine or you know, in a storefront or something

892
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 14: like that. It has to really click and you know,

893
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,280
Speaker 14: speak to you. I guess maybe if you're a creative,

894
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 14: esthetically minded person, Let's say you want to kind of

895
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 14: feel in your solar plexus, or you want to have

896
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:36,280
Speaker 14: some sort of connection that you like when you're rifling

897
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 14: through a rack at a store, you're on eBay, you

898
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 14: see something and you hear the click, and you're like,

899
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 14: these are the pants for me? And there's you know,

900
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,919
Speaker 14: one hundred pants on the rack, and they're all, if

901
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 14: we're being honest with each other, they're all pretty much

902
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 14: the same.

903
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 7: But one of them just speaks to you.

904
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 14: And there is that exists in design and furniture. There's

905
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 14: so much out there it's it's almost mind boggling.

906
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 5: So I hear this, it makes sense to me.

907
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 3: I think of like, all the couches that I see

908
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 3: that I like the most are some sort of vintage pieces,

909
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 3: especially like if I go to like, you know, like

910
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 3: furniture shore rooms or whatever.

911
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:19,879
Speaker 2: Yeah.

912
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:25,280
Speaker 3: But my one concern, which we kind of talked about

913
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 3: with the online couches is like you don't.

914
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 5: Get to do the SID tests.

915
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it might look cool, no solve for that yet,

916
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:34,720
Speaker 3: but then I get delivered to my house.

917
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 5: What if it's not What if I don't you know,

918
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 5: I don't love it in person?

919
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 14: Well, so there isn't a c test and that is

920
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 14: the thing. And it's also you can sort of eyeball

921
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 14: it a little bit.

922
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, you.

923
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 14: Know, you can email, you can email the hiuse and

924
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 14: just be like, hey, is this a puffy couch?

925
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 7: Is you know, like is it comfortable?

926
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,399
Speaker 14: A lot of this is my bias saying like, hey, look,

927
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 14: just by vintage, it's not a big deal, you know,

928
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Speaker 14: or it is a big deal. It's a pain in

929
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:02,240
Speaker 14: the butt, but it's not the world's biggest deal, especially

930
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:05,799
Speaker 14: if you're buying a vintage piece that's effectively liquid, you know. So,

931
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 14: so if you buy a pair of Levi's on eBay

932
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Speaker 14: and they don't really fit you, but they're old Levi's

933
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 14: with the you know, biggie, you.

934
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:14,359
Speaker 7: Can sell tomorrow, you know. And it's the same thing

935
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:15,280
Speaker 7: with this furniture.

936
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Speaker 14: If you're willing to sort of take an l and

937
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 14: get rid of a couch that you hate for a

938
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:23,919
Speaker 14: couch that you think is like pretty cool, there's sort

939
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:25,879
Speaker 14: of an endless supply. Like if you were to buy

940
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 14: one of these live actioneer couches and it passes the

941
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 14: eye test that it's pretty comfortable. And if you know,

942
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 14: in April you decide you don't like it, you could

943
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 14: sell it all my classifieds. You'll get most of some

944
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 14: of your money back. And then also you'll have the

945
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 14: added advantage of you'll have leveled up your taste.

946
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Speaker 7: And that's the big thing I think is, you know.

947
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 14: To level up your style, you go through you know,

948
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:58,359
Speaker 14: four different style you know, evolutions and variations, and you

949
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 14: go from this gene to this gene, to the shoe

950
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:04,720
Speaker 14: to this shoe. And the key I think to having

951
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:09,840
Speaker 14: a bigger, more robust kind of design understanding is people

952
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:10,359
Speaker 14: doing that.

953
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Speaker 2: It makes sense too. And when thinking about like I,

954
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,360
Speaker 2: you so always think I would never order clothes online

955
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 2: because I would have to try it first, But I've

956
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:20,280
Speaker 2: completely gotten used to it, and yeah, obviously much different

957
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 2: than like a giant couch. But what he's saying makes sense.

958
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 3: It is interesting like after having talked to him, you know,

959
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 3: like someone who's so passionate about this stuff and actually

960
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 3: you know does it for a living or whatever. He

961
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,399
Speaker 3: does kind of change your mindset of like, yeah, why

962
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 3: don't I just like take a risk and like do

963
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 3: the thing. And I think that like he was saying that,

964
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 3: like you got to try some shit out to see

965
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 3: like what works makes so much sense. I think with

966
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 3: like designed and furniture in our homes, we're just so like,

967
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 3: all right, I get one shot at this. If it

968
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 3: doesn't work out, I'm stuck with it and I can't

969
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 3: change my.

970
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 2: Mind at least five or six.

971
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like until it breaks essentially right, and it's like, no,

972
00:48:58,280 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 3: why don't you buy something?

973
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:00,080
Speaker 5: You know?

974
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:02,320
Speaker 3: He was saying, like, especially if you do your research

975
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 3: and stuff ahead of time. If I buy a couch

976
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 3: that's say fifteen hundred dollars if I don't like it,

977
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 3: but I've done my research and know it's like a

978
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 3: couch that's going to hold up like on the market,

979
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:14,479
Speaker 3: He's like, you can sell it for a thy twelve

980
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 3: hundred and it's like, yeah, you're gonna lose some money

981
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 3: for it, but you got to sit on the couch

982
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 3: for six months or whatever.

983
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 2: Happier when you get your Ultimately it works.

984
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 6: And like, especially when you're living in New York, Like,

985
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 6: if you don't want to deal with a real shipping thing,

986
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 6: I'm sure there's people here like, yeah, easier here. Probably

987
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:32,400
Speaker 6: there's a local place someone can take it off your

988
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:36,320
Speaker 6: hands and deal with most of the most annoying actually

989
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 6: pick it. So it seems like, especially someone like you

990
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 6: who's been waiting, it would probably be worth taking the risk.

991
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, that's it for a week two of

992
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 3: Devins Design weeks four or five. Yeah, this is a

993
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 3: lot of fun. I will say, I'm gonna tease it

994
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:57,359
Speaker 3: for the newsletter. I did ask emmy, Okay, you got

995
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 3: to pick a new couch that you would recommend. What

996
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 3: is it? You're not gonna find out here? You gotta

997
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:07,799
Speaker 3: go to that show better, you can look at it.

998
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 3: You're not gonna it doesn't even make sense. I'm gonna

999
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 3: say it. Then you gotta have to google it. So

1000
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 3: cling that show, you'll see the coush to semi recommends

1001
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 3: and this guy's got taste so uh, I'll tease it.

1002
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:24,359
Speaker 2: Consider yourself teased. I think you've teased them more than

1003
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 2: I'm feeling teased.

1004
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:36,439
Speaker 3: So that was Week one of Devin Design. I guess

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Speaker 3: not week one, the first annual Devin Design Week. I'm

1006
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 3: gonna do another one of these, so email us at

1007
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 3: many Noah Devin at gmail dot com, or call us

1008
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 3: at the number in our show notes and tell us

1009
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 3: the designs that you hate. Our guest this week where

1010
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:55,280
Speaker 3: Arion Marshall at Wired. I'm gonna link to her recording.

1011
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 3: Dexter Thomas from the podcast kill Switch make sure you

1012
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 3: take a listen to. And Sammy Reese from the Snake Newsletter.

1013
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 3: We recorded this a few weeks ago, so I've already

1014
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 3: spent way too much money on these live auction sites,

1015
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 3: so thank you, Sammy. No such thing as a production

1016
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 3: of Kaleidoscope content. Our executive producers are Kay Osborne and

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00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 3: Manyesh Haadi Cadur. The show was created by Manny Fidel,

1018
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:24,720
Speaker 3: Norah Friedman and me Devin Joseph. Our theme in credit

1019
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:30,400
Speaker 3: song is by Manny. Mixing for this episode by Steve Bone.

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Speaker 5: All right, y'all, we'll be back next week.

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Speaker 3: Hook from new episode let's just let's look the beat

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Speaker 3: right out for a bit. Wait, wait, wait, I forgot

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Speaker 3: one thing. Make sure if you like the show, you've

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Speaker 3: listened this much. You like the show, make sure you're

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Speaker 3: following us, and make sure you live a review. Five

1026
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Speaker 3: star ratings really helps other people find the show. Send

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Speaker 3: it to a friend and fous on Instagram. No such

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Speaker 3: thing that show. No, I have a lot more conversation.

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Speaker 4: He he has such things.

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Speaker 5: Yeah,