1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:24,280 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Hello, 4 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: my name is Matt, my name is no. They call 5 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: me Ben. You are you that makes this stuff they 6 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 1: don't want you to know? And as we are, as 7 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 1: we're recording this, it's a little before the US holiday 8 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 1: called Thanksgiving. So when this podcast comes out, hopefully if 9 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 1: you are in the US and you celebrate this sort 10 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 1: of thing, you will you will be full of trip 11 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 1: to fan the sleepy ingredient in Turkey and taking a 12 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: pleasant snooze. And if you're lucky, your family has a 13 00:00:56,640 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 1: elaborately decked out underground ice bunker where you and enjoy 14 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: their company. Um, in appropriate surroundings for such a holiday. Um, 15 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: I see ones right, And Uh, that's that's what they 16 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:12,759 Speaker 1: call foreshadowing in the business. Ladies and gentlemen. Uh. You 17 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:15,399 Speaker 1: may also take a moment, if you will, the day 18 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 1: after Thanksgiving to celebrate National Heritage Day, which is a 19 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 1: commemoration of the Native American people who were invaded by Europeans. Controversial, 20 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 1: but that's the nature of this show, and it is factual. 21 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: Today we are not talking about Thanksgiving. We are talking 22 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 1: about military bases, government secrecy. And so for those of 23 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:42,479 Speaker 1: us in the audience who like the political stuff, you'll 24 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 1: love this. Uh. And for uh, those of us in 25 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 1: the audience who say, hey, why don't you do more 26 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 1: paranormal stuff? Thank you for all the awesome emails, tweets 27 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 1: and messages. Doing our best to get more topics like 28 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: that on this show. It can be a little bit 29 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: of an uphill battle, but hopefully they are more on 30 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:01,279 Speaker 1: the way. We're also ta in a way today about 31 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 1: climate change. The crux of today's topic dwells in the 32 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 1: realm of geopolitics, the murky business of the institutions seeking 33 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: to control the world and the groups of people seeking 34 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:17,919 Speaker 1: to control those institutions. Here here are the facts. Funny 35 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 1: thing about America, right, And of course we've been in 36 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 1: the US. When we say America, we mean the United States. 37 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:29,399 Speaker 1: Everyone in this country does it, sorry, Canada, Mexico, totally 38 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 1: all American. But the thing about the US as seen 39 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: by residents of the U S is that, well, maybe 40 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:41,919 Speaker 1: we do it hypothetically. Matt, How would you feel if 41 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 1: how would you feel if a country built a base 42 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:51,920 Speaker 1: on US soil, Like, would it depend on the country, 43 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:54,920 Speaker 1: you know, would you be more okay with France versus 44 00:02:56,480 --> 00:03:01,360 Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia? Where is it? Is it an all um? 45 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 1: Not in my backyard? Yeah? What else is going on 46 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 1: to you politically that necessitates a base on US soil 47 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 1: from another country? I mean, I would hopefully look at 48 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:18,239 Speaker 1: it in those terms unless it was in extreme close 49 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: proximity to where I live and work every day. What 50 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 1: are we talking here, whether there be nuclear payloads involved? 51 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 1: You know, like I said, not in my backyard. Mr. 52 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:32,799 Speaker 1: It's it's strange because the overwhelming majority of US citizens 53 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: or even just US residents, overwhelmingly across the board demographics, Uh, 54 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 1: demographics can be super varied, old, young, wealthy, poor, various 55 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: racial identifications, religious identifications, political allegiances. Almost everybody says a 56 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 1: foreign military base on US soil, well, that's an abomination, 57 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: that is an abomination to this country. Yet U s 58 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: military base is on other countries soil are seen, as 59 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 1: you know, essential to the various political buzzwords of our time. 60 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 1: National security, that's the great boogeyman that we've explored in 61 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: the past. Just to put out there, I was playing 62 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: a character and saying not in my backyard. I was. 63 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: I was that guy that has that exact sense that 64 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 1: that you know, of course we need them there, but 65 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:26,039 Speaker 1: don't don't let them. Global stability is not my neighborhood stability, 66 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:30,159 Speaker 1: UM and whatever else like what whatever else? UH people 67 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 1: use to linguistically disguise that fact that's seen as the 68 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 1: US being sort of the world's police force, right, And 69 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: you'll also hear the You'll also hear the argument like, oh, yeah, yeah, well, 70 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:47,600 Speaker 1: we built that base because people want us there, people 71 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 1: want the rule of law, if people want the security 72 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 1: of the world's best military, and the US is almost 73 00:04:55,760 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 1: by any measure, the world's largest and most efficient milit well, 74 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 1: not efficient, not efficient, just the largest and most effective 75 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 1: in terms of destruction. But this argument that people want 76 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:11,840 Speaker 1: foreign bases on their soil, or that other countries want 77 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:15,599 Speaker 1: U S bases on their soil is usually not true 78 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 1: spoiler alert. When they say we want the u S there, 79 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 1: what they what they typically mean is something like the 80 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 1: leaders of the country have hatched to deal with the 81 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: leaders of this country to have this thing in um 82 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 1: adjacent to UH country that the US is hostile toward. 83 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 1: So for instance, South Korea and North Korea, Iran and 84 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:48,359 Speaker 1: every other country surrounding Iran, UH, because the US sure 85 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: hates Iran ever since they throughout the supported the U 86 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: S supported dictator. So, as far as we know, the 87 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: U S has built the most forign bases in history, 88 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 1: in human history, more bases, more you know, foreign sights 89 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 1: than the Roman Empire, more than the UK, more than 90 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 1: commit more than Babylonian society UH at this point there 91 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: as of two thousand fifteen, the US has around eight 92 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:21,040 Speaker 1: hundred more or less publicly known if not officially acknowledged 93 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:24,599 Speaker 1: like open secret basis. And you can learn more about 94 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:27,159 Speaker 1: this in a book called Base Nation, How U S 95 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 1: Military Bases Abroad harm America and the World by David Vine. Obviously, 96 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:36,039 Speaker 1: the guy's got a slant, but his numbers are on 97 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 1: point in terms of the number of bases. I don't 98 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 1: know if I completely agree with his opinion of what 99 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 1: those all those bases are doing. And we're also almost 100 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 1: certain that there are more sites out there that they 101 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:52,160 Speaker 1: remain unacknowledged, and may remain unacknowledged for decades and decades 102 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 1: at least, that is until the ice begins to recede. 103 00:06:56,400 --> 00:07:00,080 Speaker 1: And the devils of the Imperial past come calling for 104 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:03,720 Speaker 1: their do. What are we talking about? You know? And 105 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: you said that just then you sounded a lot like 106 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 1: rod Sterling doing a Twilight Zone narration. Thank you, man 107 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 1: of their best, come calling for the do. Thank you 108 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 1: so much. Rod Sterling is a is a hero of mine. 109 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 1: That's good stuff. Thank you? Hey what um? But what 110 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 1: are we talking about specifically? Here? We talked about underground layers. 111 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: We talked about ice Specifically, we're talking about a US 112 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 1: military base called Camp Century and it's a project. It's 113 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 1: a part of this thing called Project ice Worm, which 114 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: was originally started as a way to quote test construction 115 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 1: techniques out in the Arctic or Arctic construction technique. So, 116 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: how do I make things work from an engineering perspective 117 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 1: when it's bitterly cold, like cold, unforgivingly cold, brutal? Was 118 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 1: that from the core of engineers and that was their 119 00:07:57,160 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: description of the Project cool. It exists a hundred and 120 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: fifty mile US from an existing US base called Tutually 121 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 1: Air Base, Camp Uh and that is it's also a 122 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 1: hundred and twenty one miles from the coast of Greenland, 123 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 1: right and total the air base is still extend. It's 124 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 1: the US Air Force's northernmost base, and it's a about 125 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 1: seven miles north of the Arctic Circle, a little less 126 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 1: than miles from the North Pole. The physical and not 127 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 1: the magnetic one UM and it's or I should say, 128 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: the conceptual one, not the magnetic one UM. So this 129 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 1: this UH is home to the twenty one Space Wings 130 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 1: Global network of sensors. Just to give some just to 131 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 1: give some context here. And when we say sensors, of course, 132 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 1: I mean the detection of external stimuli. I don't mean 133 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 1: editing the truth. And just to give people a sense 134 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:01,679 Speaker 1: of like the layout of this I mean because when 135 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: I first started looking into it, I was picturing some 136 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 1: sort of fortified, crazy futuristic ice dome like James Bond 137 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 1: villain Lair style, like we talked about at the beginning 138 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 1: of the show. But what in fact we're talking about 139 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 1: is much more like a traditional military base where you 140 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 1: have you know, barracks, you have different research facilities, you know, 141 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: you have a gym um commissary, things like that. So 142 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 1: I'm looking at an aerial view of it and it 143 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 1: kind of just looks like a neighborhood. But but but it's 144 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 1: not like their roads or anything like that connecting these 145 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: these things up. It's tunnels that were board through the 146 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: ice right, and we'll we'll take a look at the 147 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:45,199 Speaker 1: construction as well. So at the time, the US discussed 148 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 1: the plans for building Camp Century with Denmark, and they said, 149 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:51,440 Speaker 1: as Matt pointed out, it would be a demonstration of 150 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 1: affordable ice cat military outposts. They believed Denmark at least 151 00:09:56,720 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 1: officially believed this would be a way too explore scientific concepts, 152 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: so not an active application of things, more a well 153 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 1: this work, what can we do with this? Um Denmark 154 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 1: thought the U s would explore practical problems with a 155 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 1: semimobile nuclear reactor, like how could we make a movable 156 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 1: nuclear reactor that is stable and supplies enough power to 157 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: support as Noel said, a town, a military outpost of 158 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 1: this size and being a base camp for scientific experiments 159 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 1: in the ice cap. And this all was in a 160 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: way true. However, what Denmark did not officially know about 161 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 1: and Noel, what are those what's that quote we use 162 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 1: for air quotes? Officially? Yes? What what Denmark did not 163 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 1: officially know about was Project ice Worm. This was a 164 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 1: proposed system of tunnels that would eventually according to their plans, 165 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 1: be two thousand five dred miles length used to deploy 166 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 1: up to six hundred nuclear missiles that would be able 167 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 1: to reach the Soviet Union in the case of nuclear war, 168 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:03,079 Speaker 1: which was clear and present danger. The brilliant thing about 169 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 1: this is that the missiles were under Greenland's ice sheets, 170 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: so when deployed, if deployed they would happen, they would 171 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 1: launch too close to be detected or prevented in time. 172 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 1: This was also created before the US knew about the 173 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 1: dead Man's Hand, the apocalyptic nuclear UH nuclear system which 174 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: exists in Russia today, which you can find out about 175 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 1: in our our previous audio podcast. And just in case 176 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:36,319 Speaker 1: they were discovered or compromised somehow, even though Soviet technology, 177 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 1: so far as the West knew, cannot detect these weapons, 178 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 1: the sites would still be changed periodically. We talked about 179 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 1: the construction of this, so let's get in a little 180 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 1: more detail. There are twenty one trenches and they had 181 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: arched roofs uh and then inside of those arches that's 182 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:06,560 Speaker 1: where they put these you know, like prefab buildings. If 183 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: you went to a public school in the United States, 184 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: then you have probably seen those add on trailers that 185 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 1: happen when, uh, when there are more students than the 186 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 1: building can house. He used to call them portables when 187 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:22,680 Speaker 1: I was a kid, affordables. I don't know if that's 188 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 1: like a thing that was just in my neck of 189 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 1: the woods, but I remember that, and it happens, especially 190 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:31,439 Speaker 1: if you're around you know, growing population. So these pre 191 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 1: fabricated buildings, as Noll said, they had hospitals, chops, a theater, 192 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 1: a church. Of course. The total number of inhabitants that 193 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 1: the highest point was two hundred, and they had a 194 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:50,319 Speaker 1: very interesting electricity supply from nineteen sixty detail um, nineteen 195 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:54,680 Speaker 1: sixty three, the electricity supply was provided by the world's 196 00:12:54,720 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 1: first mobile portable nuclear reactor A portable A portable exactly. Yeah, 197 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 1: our ours didn't didn't have those, but um we had 198 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:07,959 Speaker 1: we had R. L. Steinbooks a plenty um. It was 199 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 1: referred to as the pm to A and designated by Alco, 200 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:16,199 Speaker 1: the company for the US Army. Yeah, and pm t 201 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: A actually stood for something. It was, uh, portable medium power, 202 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 1: which is kind of cool. So it was like one 203 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 1: to ten mega watts is how much you could generate. Interesting, 204 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 1: you know, and uh, there's also such a great story 205 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 1: in there which listeners, we we'd love it if you 206 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 1: take time to check this out and maybe we could 207 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:46,119 Speaker 1: do something in the future on private engineering of nuclear facilities. 208 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 1: Because Alco started as a locomotive company, it's short for 209 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:57,080 Speaker 1: American Locomotive Company. They also in Camp Century and the 210 00:13:57,120 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 1: planned Project ice Worm. They took water supplied from glaciers 211 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 1: and they had to this is such a cool side note. 212 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 1: They had to test it for plague just in case 213 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: something survived there in the depths of the glaciers. And 214 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:17,840 Speaker 1: here's what they eventually wanted to build um. This missile 215 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 1: network was outlined in a report called the Strategic Value 216 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 1: of the Greenland Ice Cap Completed. They were thinking this 217 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: will cover fifty two square miles. It will be three 218 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 1: times the size of Denmark, the country that technically the 219 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 1: US is occupying. Is that we didn't know about it. 220 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 1: They didn't know about this plan. They didn't officially know. Yeah, 221 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 1: they didn't know about But it's also interesting when we 222 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 1: when we think about a country like the US is 223 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 1: already larger than Denmark, right, and Denmark had jurisdiction over Greenland, 224 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 1: and the US was building a base that was larger 225 00:14:57,080 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 1: than the country it was technically occupying. Do you know 226 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 1: the of the capital of Greenland, Nuke Beard right under 227 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 1: your nose, man, That's what I know. It's true. I did. 228 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 1: I didn't want to mention that. A lot of sources 229 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 1: refer to the base itself as more or less a 230 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 1: cover for this more strategic project where they were trying 231 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 1: to you know, really get a foothold, so to speak, 232 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 1: in the ice and like burrow these tunnels in order 233 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 1: to you know, have this strategic advantage. Um. And the 234 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 1: base itself was almost more just like a cover project 235 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 1: so they could actually do this more you know, kind 236 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 1: of top secret project, right, and also so that I mean, 237 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 1: let'stening of it this this way. Um. At this time, 238 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 1: there are deep cover operatives from both sides of the 239 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 1: Cold War embedded in all sorts of government and private 240 00:15:56,520 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 1: industry positions, high value stuff. I just I find it 241 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 1: difficult to believe that the Soviet sources would not somehow 242 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 1: get wind of this. Come on, man, we're building this 243 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 1: to test construction techniques. Come on. Oh yeah, And I'm 244 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 1: sure I'm sure Harp was just experimenting with the ionosphere 245 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 1: to see what would happen. Let's spend, let's spend hundreds 246 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 1: of millions of dollars on projects like this. And I'm 247 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: not I'm not quoting um exact financial amounts here, but 248 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 1: I am saying that you are absolutely right, Nolan Matt 249 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: The it was a cover they wanted to launch complex 250 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 1: to be twenty eight ft below the surface, and then 251 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: the missile launchers themselves even deeper and they would be 252 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 1: in clusters spaced about four miles apart from each other. 253 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 1: They would dig new tunnels every year, so after five 254 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 1: years there would be thousands of different possible firing positions 255 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 1: and they could rotate amongst those, which is important because 256 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 1: that means that once the Soviets side found out about it, 257 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:11,399 Speaker 1: they would be playing whack a mole. Essentially, they couldn't 258 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 1: hit the whole thing at once, and they built a 259 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 1: different kind of or they intended to launch a different 260 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:23,399 Speaker 1: kind of Minuteman missile. It was a shorter, two stage 261 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:26,880 Speaker 1: version and they called it the Iceman, which I think 262 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 1: is cool. It reminds me that play the Iceman Cometh. However, 263 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:35,400 Speaker 1: it didn't last very long because you see the ice 264 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:40,159 Speaker 1: was moving. Yeah, on Greenland, the surface ice is constantly 265 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 1: moving outwards from what would be essentially the center of 266 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:48,360 Speaker 1: the continent as it forms and then moves towards the ocean. 267 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 1: And this poses a problem for these tunnels that were 268 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 1: dug inside this ice because they're gonna be deforming. They're 269 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:57,679 Speaker 1: gonna be uh, you know, as this ice and melting 270 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 1: like it's gonna bulge in on the tunnel. If you've 271 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:02,680 Speaker 1: got a missile silo that's dug out in there, that 272 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:05,359 Speaker 1: poses a huge problem. Stuff is gonna get covered up. 273 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 1: You're gonna have to be constantly I guess, maintaining like 274 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 1: such huge amounts of maintenance that it would probably not 275 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 1: be feasible. And the idea of climate change at this 276 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 1: time was pretty much just a glimmer if that. I mean, 277 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 1: it just wasn't a thing. Yeah, absolutely, but they did. Yeah, 278 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 1: so it wasn't politicized the way it is now. UM. 279 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 1: But the patterns were in place, right and for them 280 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 1: it was just pure science, was pure engineering. Just you 281 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 1: cannot build a castle on sands. We should mention too 282 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:42,679 Speaker 1: that some of the first ice cores were taken in 283 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 1: that research facility we mentioned at the base UM, which 284 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:50,359 Speaker 1: would you know, which we're looking for variations historically in 285 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 1: the layers of ice in order to kind of see 286 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 1: the way the planet had developed and what the conditions 287 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:59,159 Speaker 1: were like over time. Yeah, I believe climatologists still used 288 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:02,640 Speaker 1: that that The results from those today. You ever seen 289 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 1: the way they store those like they pull them out 290 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 1: and they they're stored in these like giant crazy tubes, 291 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:11,640 Speaker 1: are than like you know, kept in a climate controlled environment. 292 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 1: That's insane. I wouldn't want to be around it because 293 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:18,399 Speaker 1: I have this habit of this long standing principle I 294 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 1: don't want to touch things that I can't afford to replace. 295 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:26,880 Speaker 1: So listeners, if you ever meet be in person, ah, 296 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 1: I think the world of you. I love you, death, 297 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 1: love your kid. Don't want to hold it. And what 298 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: if plague is in there? Been? And what if plague 299 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 1: is in there? Mat uh in the ice? We mean 300 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 1: not in your So you're having these potential structural issues 301 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 1: with this moving ice. And by nineteen sixty two, the 302 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 1: ceiling of the reactor room where this portable nuclear reactor 303 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 1: was it dropped and in this the reactor itself had 304 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:56,120 Speaker 1: to be lifted five feet And we're talking, I mean 305 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:58,879 Speaker 1: this thing is well. I know one one component of 306 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 1: the reactor was like twenty one tons, and I mean, 307 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 1: this is a massive undertaking just to move this thing, 308 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 1: and that poses a problem. But then then they realized 309 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 1: within three years the the ice core samples started showing 310 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 1: evidence that the glaciers was moving actually faster than they 311 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 1: had anticipated, and they realized this ice is going to 312 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 1: destroy the tunnels and all of these planned launch stations 313 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 1: in like two years. We're talking two years from now. 314 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:29,479 Speaker 1: Everything is destroyed that we want to make. So they 315 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:34,400 Speaker 1: decided to you know, cut their losses and they evacuated 316 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 1: the place in nineteen sixty five. A little bit after that, 317 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:42,880 Speaker 1: the nuclear generator itself was removed, and they canceled Project 318 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 1: ice Worm altogether, at least officially, and Camp Century closed 319 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty six, and decades would pass before anyone 320 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 1: else learned about this. UH in Denmark and the US 321 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 1: had beef over previously classified UH set of of dicments 322 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 1: information regarding the n B fifty two crash at the 323 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 1: Toil Air Base, and because of that disagreement, the public 324 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 1: learned and Denmark officially learned of Project ice Worm. However, 325 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:28,880 Speaker 1: when we say the public learned, often what we're what 326 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:32,679 Speaker 1: we're saying is that it was no longer classified or 327 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 1: it was technically on paper available. So while it was 328 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 1: publicly available, it was highly unlikely that someone would use 329 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:47,200 Speaker 1: this information or or even be aware of it. Right 330 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:54,919 Speaker 1: so much it changed, however, in scientists concluded that the 331 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:58,919 Speaker 1: portion of the ice sheet covering Camp Century is most 332 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:04,919 Speaker 1: likely going to melt away. We would have never learned 333 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 1: about this thing, the secret military base, unless it was 334 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:15,919 Speaker 1: already inevitable that this would be exposed. And when it 335 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:20,680 Speaker 1: is exposed, we're talking about some very dangerous possibilities. That's right. 336 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 1: Remember that nuclear generator, Well, that thing was pumping out 337 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 1: hazardous materials, as you know, as it was creating power. 338 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 1: That's just how it functions. So when they left, there's 339 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 1: still at the site roughly two liters of diesel fuel, 340 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 1: roughly the same amount of wastewater from the generator. There's 341 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 1: all kinds of radioactive coolant that's still there that that 342 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 1: nobody even knows how much is still there, and like PCBs, 343 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:54,679 Speaker 1: other kinds of organic pollutants. Yeah, man, I mean, I 344 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:56,159 Speaker 1: don't know if I ever told you guys this one. 345 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:58,440 Speaker 1: I used to work for a public radio My beat 346 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 1: was the nuclear plant in the town where I lived 347 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 1: in Augusta, Georgia, um And also there was a called 348 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 1: the Savannah River Site, which was converted into more of 349 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,440 Speaker 1: a research facility where different scientists study the effects of 350 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 1: nuclear waste on the environment. The reason for that is 351 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 1: is that it had been the site of a refinery 352 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 1: was built in the nineteen fifties to refine materials used 353 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:26,199 Speaker 1: to make nuclear weapons. But when they decommissioned it, they 354 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 1: had just buried all of this waste in these pits 355 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,399 Speaker 1: that were aligned with what the equivalent of like a tarp, 356 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 1: you know, like a sheet, and so there were all 357 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 1: these different pits that they had to clean. All these 358 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 1: projects involved cleaning out this waste, and then again the 359 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 1: scientist their study of the effects on you know, uh, 360 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 1: deer and amphibians and turtles and all this kind of stuff. 361 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 1: Point being is that in these days, the government was 362 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:53,400 Speaker 1: not particularly concerned with doing a real bang up job 363 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 1: at cleaning up their messes. So there's still a lot 364 00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 1: of learning that's going on in these days about the 365 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 1: effects of all that stuff, not to you know, cast 366 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 1: it away and say, oh, they didn't know what they 367 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:09,920 Speaker 1: were doing. But still it's uh irresponsible in some ways. Absolutely, 368 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,680 Speaker 1: But you know, their their idea was, oh, the ice 369 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 1: will just it'll just be um preserved forever and no 370 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:20,359 Speaker 1: one will ever be exposed to it, which there is 371 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,679 Speaker 1: some truth to that. But as we know, that's that 372 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 1: ice is receding still and who knows what happens if 373 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: it ever, you know, did get exposed. Right between two 374 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 1: thousand three and two thousand and ten, the ice that 375 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:34,439 Speaker 1: covers most of Greenland was melting twice as fast as 376 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 1: during the rest of the twenty century. It's picking up 377 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 1: the pace and you can look at the temperatures as 378 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 1: well to see this. The only good thing currently is 379 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 1: that in the immediate short term it looks like there 380 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 1: continues to be more and more ice building up on 381 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:04,880 Speaker 1: top of of this site. So in nineteen fifty nine 382 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 1: Camp Century was eight meters below the ice. Uh, then 383 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty five it was twelve meters below the ice. 384 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 1: Then in this year it stands at thirty five meters 385 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 1: below the ice. But like Ben said, what's happening here 386 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 1: is the ice. The ice sheet is generated in certain 387 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:25,439 Speaker 1: months or like certain time of the year, then it 388 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 1: melts away and then it comes back a little bit, 389 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 1: and then it receives. So it's this ebb and flow 390 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 1: of ice and the melting is increasing. So there, what 391 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:39,880 Speaker 1: are they thinking been Yeah, yeah, slightly before the end 392 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:43,160 Speaker 1: of this century. Yeah, that's when all of the ice 393 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,440 Speaker 1: will be gone and this stuff is just exposed to 394 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:50,200 Speaker 1: the elements. So is there no uh program or anything 395 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,960 Speaker 1: that that's that's interested in cleaning this up or getting 396 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 1: in there and you know, taking care of this in 397 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 1: advance of that happening, or is it just too inaccessible? Well, 398 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 1: Greenland became large independent in nine seventy nine. The government's UM, 399 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 1: the local government of Greenland, Denmark, and the US are 400 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 1: aware of this. The U s has issued a statement 401 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,879 Speaker 1: saying that they are going to work to address any 402 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:20,679 Speaker 1: concerns in mad I see you. I just love that idea. 403 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 1: We're gonna address any concerns. It'll be fine. I see, 404 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 1: I see Matt doing the unhappy grit and headshake. Um, 405 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 1: you're a man of many grins, and I've learned to 406 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,960 Speaker 1: read several of them. I'm not fluent in your language yet, 407 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,159 Speaker 1: but I'm picking up what you're putting down. So you 408 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:43,440 Speaker 1: think it's malarkey, Huh, I don't know. I mean, there's 409 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:47,359 Speaker 1: not much money in cleaning up. Yeah, it's not profitable 410 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 1: for anyone. And you know, it seems like we have 411 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 1: a pretty standard policy in this country when it comes 412 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 1: to that kind of stuff, as who cares, it'll be fine, 413 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 1: We'll deal with that when we deal with it once 414 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:04,360 Speaker 1: it gets really bad. Well, can you can we honestly 415 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 1: expect people who are especially if they're elected. Can we 416 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:12,160 Speaker 1: honestly expect people who are elected for a term of 417 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,879 Speaker 1: four years or two years or even ten years if 418 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:21,879 Speaker 1: that happens too, effectively create solutions that won't come into 419 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:26,879 Speaker 1: play until twenty years, twenty five years. You can't expect 420 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,160 Speaker 1: a person with a four year mind to make good 421 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,879 Speaker 1: twenty five year decisions. You can hope for it, but 422 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,359 Speaker 1: you can't expect it. And that's that's one of the 423 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 1: problems here, is that we are as a species on 424 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:46,400 Speaker 1: the precipice of extended lifespans, and it is quite possible 425 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 1: that the first person who will functionally be immortal one 426 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 1: sense or the other is alive today. So this problem 427 00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:00,400 Speaker 1: is becoming less and less abstract. You know, it's very 428 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,959 Speaker 1: easy to say, as as Drew Carey said once in 429 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,920 Speaker 1: his stand up set. You know, forget the kids, forget 430 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 1: the later generations, I forget the ozone. I want I 431 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,920 Speaker 1: want my hair spray now or whatever it was. That 432 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 1: that's the point, um, now is the future is now, 433 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 1: It's happening. If you take decent care of yourself, then 434 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 1: medical technology will start with the obscenely wealthy, right, and 435 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 1: a few lottery winners who will get a careful what 436 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 1: you wish for situation like the Henrietta Lacks, who is 437 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 1: the currently technically you guess you could say the mother 438 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 1: of the first immortal. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and that's not 439 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 1: kind of immortality a lot of people would like. But 440 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 1: what we're saying is your odds of living to see 441 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 1: this are higher now than any point ever. And and 442 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 1: I know that's yes, you're just chronologically closer. We're just 443 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 1: chronologically closer. But also you could be born in and white, 444 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 1: possibly live to and not not live in some deluded 445 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:34,479 Speaker 1: state either. You could be cognitively functional. And that's just 446 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 1: one abandoned base and we only learned about it because 447 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 1: governments are saying, well, people are going to find out eventually. Yeah. 448 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 1: When Google Maps came along, they're like, yeah, well, yes, 449 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 1: we get to talk when the when the glaciers. When 450 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 1: the glaciers melt starts changing colors, the fish start floating, 451 00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:04,480 Speaker 1: belly up again and more. Uh huh. Then eventually, as 452 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 1: we said at the beginning, the devil comes calling for 453 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 1: his due. And now in sten towards the very end 454 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 1: of the year, the US is likely making more military 455 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 1: bases than it is closing. Many countries are involved in this, 456 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 1: mostly superpowers and outside of the public sphere. These countries 457 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 1: intelligence agencies are keenly aware of who owns what, who's 458 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 1: going for what, who's closing what and when. The discovery 459 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:46,480 Speaker 1: of black sites is somewhat of a controlled burn. The 460 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 1: idea that you can give the public the feeling that 461 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:53,440 Speaker 1: secrets have been discovered to prevent you know what I mean, 462 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,720 Speaker 1: Like you you cut off the arm to save the body, 463 00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 1: and Project Century isn't that important anymore, where we don't 464 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,960 Speaker 1: need to worry about it. We can tell people about that, 465 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 1: But then we're gonna keep these other seven so top secret. 466 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:10,000 Speaker 1: Only Trump's gonna know about it. Oh, that's right, the president. Uh. 467 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 1: I often wonder how much the president knows about these 468 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 1: sorts of projects. I feel like, strategically they would have 469 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 1: to write because they make the final call. I would think, so, 470 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 1: you know, some there's some stuff that has to be 471 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 1: compartmentalized so that they can maintain plausible deniability, which means 472 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 1: that they will have a situation where they will talk 473 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 1: in a high level terms about something, but then someone 474 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 1: else will take care of it in the specifics and 475 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 1: the nuts and bolts, which is why you can have 476 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:46,120 Speaker 1: a situation where someone says, I think that we should 477 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:52,200 Speaker 1: let's let's pivot and have more you know, human rights 478 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 1: in a given country, and then uh, a part of 479 00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 1: the government will go off and say, okay, what does 480 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 1: that mean? And then the bombs start dropping. That's that's 481 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,640 Speaker 1: that can happen. That doesn't you know. That's of course 482 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 1: not the official policy, and that of course doesn't happen 483 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 1: all the time, but it has happened historically. And again 484 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 1: as we take pains to say, not just with the US, 485 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:23,760 Speaker 1: but we would like to hear from you what military 486 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:28,040 Speaker 1: bases or in your neck of the global woods? Right, 487 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,920 Speaker 1: do you do you live near a foreign military base? 488 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 1: The odds are overwhelmingly likely that if you do, it's 489 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 1: run by the US. And oh we should also say, 490 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 1: as a disclaimer, not all bases are created equally. The 491 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 1: Diego Garcia airstrip site is a very different animal, uh 492 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:57,000 Speaker 1: than you know Guantanamo Bay or Black site in Poland. Right, 493 00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:02,920 Speaker 1: and that's very different from military base in Germany or something. 494 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:08,959 Speaker 1: And full disclosure, I used to live on military basis, um. 495 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 1: I can assure you some are much more sophisticated and 496 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 1: livable than others. Uh. So let us know what your experiences, 497 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:20,760 Speaker 1: let us know what your life was like on a 498 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:24,520 Speaker 1: military base. Um. And let us let us know your 499 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 1: opinion if you are comfortable sharing it, because again, you're 500 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 1: the best part of the show, and the reason this 501 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:36,959 Speaker 1: show works is because of your suggestions, which reminds me 502 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,200 Speaker 1: it's been a while since we did shut at corners. 503 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:47,280 Speaker 1: I have a shout out today goes to Brent Liberati 504 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,200 Speaker 1: Brent Rights. I volunteer with an aviation museum and on 505 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,520 Speaker 1: our flight back from an air show, we flew over 506 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:56,280 Speaker 1: the U S National Radio Quiet Zone sound familiar, Um, 507 00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,600 Speaker 1: we happened to fly directly over Sugar Grove Station. Some 508 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 1: of our crew asked what it was. When another crew 509 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 1: member and myself we're able to explain it to them. 510 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,440 Speaker 1: Thanks to std W y t K that's us. It's 511 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,719 Speaker 1: a mouthful. Anyway, I took some pictures I thought you 512 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,480 Speaker 1: would enjoy. I'll test him with the email. Hope men 513 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:14,759 Speaker 1: in black suits don't show up on my doorstep. Love 514 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,520 Speaker 1: the podcast. Keep on illuminating, Brent. And he said, some 515 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:21,040 Speaker 1: really cool pictures fly over pictures of this, uh, this 516 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 1: area in the quiet zone? Um is that? And and 517 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,600 Speaker 1: you can see the radio telescope right there on the 518 00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,440 Speaker 1: left here. Maybe we'll post these on social media or something. 519 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:34,400 Speaker 1: Can we do that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, if you're comfortable 520 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:38,480 Speaker 1: with it, all right? And Adam writes to us and 521 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,560 Speaker 1: ask Adam c rights to us, NESK. Have you heard 522 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:46,280 Speaker 1: of them? V h g m T Voluntary Human Extinction movement. 523 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,640 Speaker 1: If you or your listeners are interested in human population 524 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:53,120 Speaker 1: mitigation for the benefit of ecology and humanity, this is 525 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,600 Speaker 1: the place to be. It's very reasonable. Take a look. 526 00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:57,440 Speaker 1: I've had these beliefs for a long time, but this 527 00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,439 Speaker 1: guy makes the most sense of anyone I've ever heard. 528 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:03,560 Speaker 1: Might a good show for you. Scary stuff, Adam, see 529 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:10,600 Speaker 1: scary scary stuff, the idea of voluntary human extinction. I 530 00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:15,359 Speaker 1: think a lot of people will have survival arguments against that, 531 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 1: but I looked at some of the information and it's 532 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:23,880 Speaker 1: completely fascinating. Check it out. They're not talking about necessarily 533 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:32,520 Speaker 1: huge suicide pact population mitigation preventing the enthusiast collapse. And 534 00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 1: we have one more shout out for today. Laura writes 535 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,040 Speaker 1: to us and says, Hey, I've been subscribed to your 536 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,520 Speaker 1: channel for several years and I enjoy it very much. 537 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:42,600 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Laura. It's very kind of you. 538 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:44,839 Speaker 1: I'm surprised that your team has not done a video 539 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:48,080 Speaker 1: about the weird theory surrounding our H negative human blood. 540 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,760 Speaker 1: I am oh negative myself and recently researched the recess 541 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,239 Speaker 1: factor while working on a novel. Some claim our H 542 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:59,720 Speaker 1: negative people are descendants of ancient aliens, have special powers, 543 00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,520 Speaker 1: or are the children of the Nephelim. I hope you 544 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,680 Speaker 1: will consider the subject worthy of your show. I consider 545 00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:09,160 Speaker 1: that very worthy. That's a cool idea, so thank you 546 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,680 Speaker 1: so much more for writing in. It's fascinating. It's been 547 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:16,680 Speaker 1: a while since we looked at the idea of nephelim, 548 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:20,160 Speaker 1: you know, and the more we learn about ancient human history, 549 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,720 Speaker 1: the more it seems. I don't know how you guys feel, 550 00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 1: but the more the more evidence I see that, and 551 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,320 Speaker 1: these folk tales and these ancient traditions may be based 552 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:35,960 Speaker 1: on other hominid species, encounters with early man and at 553 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:40,720 Speaker 1: times inter you know, at times interbreeding, which is why 554 00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:46,000 Speaker 1: we're all likely to carry some stranger DNA with us. 555 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:48,839 Speaker 1: So maybe the blood is part of that. I can 556 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:56,160 Speaker 1: see it. And that concludes today's gosh as well as 557 00:36:56,200 --> 00:37:00,560 Speaker 1: today's episode. But never fear, we will be back next week. 558 00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:04,240 Speaker 1: We also are working on some some things that may 559 00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:08,120 Speaker 1: interest you that will be coming out in December, so 560 00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:12,160 Speaker 1: stay tuned and no spoilers in the meantime. No spoilers, 561 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,040 Speaker 1: No spoilers in the meantime. If you want to learn 562 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:17,040 Speaker 1: more about Project ice Worm, you can check out the 563 00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:20,160 Speaker 1: video that will be coming out on our YouTube channel 564 00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:23,759 Speaker 1: YouTube dot com slash conspiracy Stuff if you want to 565 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:28,640 Speaker 1: learn more about it. Uh from CBS and sixty Minutes, 566 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:33,840 Speaker 1: they did a special where where Walter Cronkite visited quote 567 00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:37,880 Speaker 1: the city under the ice It's so cool, it's so cool. 568 00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,920 Speaker 1: Check that out. There's also if you go to archive 569 00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:44,840 Speaker 1: dot org, you can see the footage, actual military footage 570 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:49,359 Speaker 1: of of the camp of the site and it goes 571 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,440 Speaker 1: through the construction of it. It's fascinating to watch. I 572 00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,560 Speaker 1: would say go out and do it. But if you 573 00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,279 Speaker 1: want to contact us on social media about any of 574 00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,120 Speaker 1: the stuff sending in your suggestions, Uh, just if you 575 00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:03,359 Speaker 1: want to shout out, if you want to learn more 576 00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,560 Speaker 1: about anything, just send us a message. You can find 577 00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,480 Speaker 1: us on Facebook where we're conspiracy Stuff, Twitter where we're 578 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:13,880 Speaker 1: conspiracy Stuff, Instagram add show you can also find me, 579 00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:21,000 Speaker 1: uh Moonless Nights, Crossroads at midnight, but we'll negotiate. And 580 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,040 Speaker 1: if you don't want to do any of that, but 581 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:26,839 Speaker 1: besides the Crossroads, I'd highly recommend it. Uh, try it once. 582 00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,600 Speaker 1: At least you can write us an email. 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