WEBVTT - Live From Wilmington with Barbara Alyn Woods 

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<v Speaker 1>First of all, you don't know me. All about that

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<v Speaker 3>Hi Friends, welcome in. We have another special episode for

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<v Speaker 3>you today, coming from none other than Wilmington, North Carolina.

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<v Speaker 3>I am joined by the one and only b Jail.

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<v Speaker 3>That's Bethany joy Lens for you people who aren't hip,

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<v Speaker 3>and we have an extraordinarily cool guest. I was so

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<v Speaker 3>excited when I heard about this booking because she happens

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<v Speaker 3>to be one of my new favorite friends, the life

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<v Speaker 3>of every party, and everyone's favorite nanny slash ex wife

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<v Speaker 3>slash firecrackers.

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<v Speaker 4>X addict X what is hato on Tripper? Like?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the one and only Barbara Allen woods Hight.

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<v Speaker 2>Guys, we're just debating, is it Babs? Is it Barbie?

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<v Speaker 4>Is all of the above anything that starts with b

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<v Speaker 4>okay beautiful? Yeah, all those.

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<v Speaker 2>Things anything yes, Babe, brave, I go with babe, I

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<v Speaker 2>love bad.

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<v Speaker 4>We're going there, we go.

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<v Speaker 2>You're saying you always got this rep you got the

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<v Speaker 2>reputation as a party girl.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I know it's since One Tree Hill. I have

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<v Speaker 4>this reputation as a party girl. It's since One Tree Hill.

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<v Speaker 4>I think so like people think that of me, and

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<v Speaker 4>I feel like it's just such a bubble burst when

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<v Speaker 4>they find out I'm kind of a homebody. Yeah, but

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's also because I'm I'm an open book

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<v Speaker 4>like you guys, I'm now inviting you to open my

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<v Speaker 4>book because I just like, I just say how I

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<v Speaker 4>feel all the time. And so when they asked me

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<v Speaker 4>to host certain things like events, I'm out there and

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<v Speaker 4>I tell it like it is, and I put people

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<v Speaker 4>in their place, and that I think they think that

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<v Speaker 4>I'm just like a crazy, wild party girl.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, having spent some time with you at the last

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<v Speaker 3>convention in Paris that we did together, I will say

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's just also because you have such a

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<v Speaker 3>lightness to you and energy, and it just seems like

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<v Speaker 3>you are You're genuinely enjoying like wherever you are, and

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<v Speaker 3>so I think it's very easy to confuse that with

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<v Speaker 3>like a party girl, yeah, because usually it takes people

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<v Speaker 3>booze to just be like in an ordinary setting. But

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<v Speaker 3>that's just kind of the energy you carry with you

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<v Speaker 3>wherever you go.

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<v Speaker 4>And it sounds really corny, but I really do enjoy

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<v Speaker 4>One Tree Hill events. I mean they make me happy,

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<v Speaker 4>like the reunion with these some of my favorite people.

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<v Speaker 4>I do so it's genuine, you know, I don't like

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<v Speaker 4>fake the happiness and I'm having a good time. I

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<v Speaker 4>really am having a good time.

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<v Speaker 2>But you're consistent. You're consistent in your which is one

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<v Speaker 2>of my favorite qualities in people anyway. Is that the

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<v Speaker 2>joy that we see in you here whenever we come.

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<v Speaker 2>When I see you outside of these environments too, you're

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<v Speaker 2>the same when I talk to you on the phone

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<v Speaker 2>and be like, you're just you have a as a webside,

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<v Speaker 2>you have a lightness, there's an effor escence.

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<v Speaker 4>And I feel supportive of my castmates in general, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean that makes me feel like I'm saying, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm a saint or something, but I really do. Like

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<v Speaker 4>I went to the concerts last night. I love going

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<v Speaker 4>to your concert I love wherever Tyler is. I'm like, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>can I be there, you know, just like to support support,

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<v Speaker 4>because we all kind of came from the same place.

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<v Speaker 4>You guys are off doing so many other things now,

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<v Speaker 4>but it's like, why.

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<v Speaker 2>Not, you know, we kind of get to reclaim some

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<v Speaker 2>time that we didn't get to. We didn't know how

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<v Speaker 2>to do that for each and kind of making up

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<v Speaker 2>for me and maybe making up for lost time.

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<v Speaker 4>I never knew the second half of the show. I

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<v Speaker 4>never knew you guys, and I knew you and Joy.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my god, so many things. This is a whole

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<v Speaker 4>other podcast, but so many things I wish we had

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<v Speaker 4>spoken about. Yeah, we were working together every day, Like

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know, it's just so maybe for me it

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<v Speaker 4>is making up for lost time. Yeah, for making up

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<v Speaker 4>for time that I wish I had spent a tiny

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<v Speaker 4>bit differently when I was doing the show. But I

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<v Speaker 4>was so focused on raising kids full time. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 4>I would work and go home, race kids, work, go home,

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<v Speaker 4>race kids.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So, An, you were all in that stage of

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<v Speaker 2>life in a different way. Yeah. I wasn't raising kids,

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<v Speaker 2>but I was obviously had my own crazy world going on,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're all, you know, we were all in that

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<v Speaker 2>phase of life where we were keeping our work separate

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<v Speaker 2>from our personal lives, which makes sense. Everybody wants to

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<v Speaker 2>be professional. But it when I if I did it

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<v Speaker 2>again in another place that was insular, like Wilmington is,

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<v Speaker 2>I really would want to invest in the people that

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<v Speaker 2>I was working with.

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<v Speaker 4>How I feel. Yeah, yeah, well.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what these conventions are. I mean, that's what they

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<v Speaker 3>were for me. Was that like we got to come

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<v Speaker 3>back as adults, and I just realized how great the

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<v Speaker 3>group is and it is like we talk all the time.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like strong summer camp vibes, you know. Because when

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<v Speaker 3>I was doing the show, like I had my own

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<v Speaker 3>stuff going on. Everyone else had their own stuff going on,

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<v Speaker 3>so we didn't really get to know each other. And

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<v Speaker 3>then it was sort of like we all like left

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<v Speaker 3>war and then we came back once we like did

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<v Speaker 3>some healing and we went, oh, you're actually a cool person.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah I like you. Yeah great.

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<v Speaker 4>And also when we were in Paris, because it was

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<v Speaker 4>like hours were long and long, there were a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of people and we love our Paris fans and it's

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of emotion, and I felt like we were

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<v Speaker 4>all in the trenches together, like in the green room

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<v Speaker 4>was like the trenches, but we were in it together.

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<v Speaker 4>We're going to get through this together. So it's like

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<v Speaker 4>a bonding experience.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you've worked so long that you've had such

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<v Speaker 2>an illustrious career, and is it illustrious or illustrious, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not sure what the right word is, but either way,

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<v Speaker 2>it's been fabulous. Have you found this kind of energy

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<v Speaker 2>on a lot of other sets that you've been on,

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<v Speaker 2>Like it was a unique.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, you always have a few people, you know, it's, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>we're a family, We're going to keep in touch, and

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<v Speaker 4>it's so hard, but I do have a few from

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<v Speaker 4>other shows that you know, years years, years ago, and

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<v Speaker 4>they're still a part of my family, which is amazing.

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<v Speaker 4>And if you can get the like pick out a

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<v Speaker 4>few special people to carry with you to the rest

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<v Speaker 4>of you know, for the rest of your life, it's

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<v Speaker 4>really special. But these conventions, and I know this has

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<v Speaker 4>been said a hundred times, but this is keeping us together.

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<v Speaker 4>These conventions are keeping us together, and I don't know,

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<v Speaker 4>I just hope they never die because.

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<v Speaker 3>Because that's the tree Hill forever. If we didn't have

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<v Speaker 3>these conventions, I would be hard. I wouldn't have almost

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<v Speaker 3>any of the relationships I have with one Tree Hill

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<v Speaker 3>cast members today.

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<v Speaker 4>And yeah, podcast, you know, keeping people together. No, it's

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<v Speaker 4>it's good. It's all good. We're all such special people,

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<v Speaker 4>special special people.

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<v Speaker 3>Just jump right into Okay, you have had a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of TV daughters. So here's my question for you. Who

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<v Speaker 3>was your favorite TV daughter? Your real life daughter Natalie,

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<v Speaker 3>or your real life daughter.

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<v Speaker 4>Emily Robert or my real life daughter Allie Ally played

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<v Speaker 4>your daughter for an entire series.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh was that, Chuckie.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I thought that.

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<v Speaker 2>Was Emily for some reason.

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<v Speaker 4>That was But I did play Emily's daughter. I played

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<v Speaker 4>Emily's daughter in a pilot, I played her mother, and

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<v Speaker 4>then on The Goldbergs, I played Natalie's mother.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh. The Goldbergs great.

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<v Speaker 3>And now let's make it all three of your real

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<v Speaker 3>life doors. I want you to rank them, Rob.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't. I told you.

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<v Speaker 5>For it.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, first of all, I liked my character the most

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<v Speaker 4>that I played against Alie. Okay, I liked that character

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<v Speaker 4>the most because she was just a raging, crazy, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>hot mess, and it was so much fun because she

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<v Speaker 4>was a regular on the show, and so we were

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<v Speaker 4>running lines at home, we were living together, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>not at home, not in La So we were living

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<v Speaker 4>together in an apartment, just the two of us and

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<v Speaker 4>having to run these lines where I was just the

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<v Speaker 4>worst mother in the world and we could literally not

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<v Speaker 4>look at each other without laughing. And I didn't know

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<v Speaker 4>if we would be able to make it to set,

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<v Speaker 4>Like I didn't know how we would be on set.

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<v Speaker 4>I thought we were going to be unprofessional, like we

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<v Speaker 4>couldn't get through because we couldn't make it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was.

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<v Speaker 4>Like really hard to call her names and to be

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<v Speaker 4>so horrible to her and look in her eyes. But

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<v Speaker 4>then when we got there, it was it was great.

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<v Speaker 4>So I'd have to say that experience and my cheating

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<v Speaker 4>because I'm not choosing Ali, but the experience with Alie

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<v Speaker 4>I'll choose. It's But the Goldbergs was a comedy. That's

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<v Speaker 4>my favorite thing to do. I love doing comedy, so

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<v Speaker 4>that was yeah. And then Emily. I just love hanging

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<v Speaker 4>out with Emily, so that was really political answer.

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<v Speaker 3>So what I heard though was that it was nowhere

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<v Speaker 3>near clothes. It was Olivia first place, Natalie second place,

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<v Speaker 3>in an adduced in third Ama.

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<v Speaker 4>But the thing is Alie's here with me right now too,

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<v Speaker 4>is she.

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<v Speaker 2>So oh, we just saw her when we came in.

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<v Speaker 4>She's so fun. She's got that same energy that you do.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, she really carries that same and Natalie

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<v Speaker 2>and I know all three girls. And when I see

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<v Speaker 2>Natalie and I run into her at like events, which

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<v Speaker 2>is the last time I saw her with some event,

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<v Speaker 2>She's like, she's so beautiful and she's so intelligent, and

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<v Speaker 2>she's but she's got it's not like the lightness, but

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<v Speaker 2>she's not like edgy.

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<v Speaker 3>She's like she's super warm.

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<v Speaker 4>She's warm, so much warm.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, the same thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, yes, incredibly, AMI's like crazy smart, super edgy. She's got. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>she's also got a warmth to her. I mean she's

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<v Speaker 2>not cold, but it's it's different.

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<v Speaker 4>She's cool. When you call me extraordinarily cool, Like no

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<v Speaker 4>one has ever called me that because I'm not cool.

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<v Speaker 3>Instagram get out there, you.

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<v Speaker 4>Passed it down. I mean, I have a cool life,

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<v Speaker 4>but I'm not cool.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm cool with Joy and I are supremely cool. We

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<v Speaker 3>only hang out people.

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<v Speaker 4>You have a cool energy. I don't. It's okay, I'm

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<v Speaker 4>fine with that. But Emily has a cool energy.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you think is there anyone else in the industry.

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<v Speaker 3>You can think of who has worked with their children

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<v Speaker 3>and the capacity.

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<v Speaker 6>That you have.

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<v Speaker 7>It's yeah, so you've worked in a you've recreated your

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<v Speaker 7>parent child dynamic with all three of your children. I

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<v Speaker 7>can't think of anyone else who's done that.

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<v Speaker 4>And I homeschooled all of them too, And I mean

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<v Speaker 4>we're friends somehow still because they've spent a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>time with me.

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<v Speaker 3>It sounds like someone might be extraordinarily cool.

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<v Speaker 4>I'll take it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, But Nadalie's producing now, so I'm like, oh, she's

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<v Speaker 4>a producer now, she can hire all of us. That's perfect.

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<v Speaker 3>Get this gang. Ray, the founder of Friends with Benefits,

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<v Speaker 3>Are you a better teacher or actor? Oh?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, I'm a really good acting teacher.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well with my.

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<v Speaker 3>Office, with a tremendous job, with my god, these questions.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I've often been approached about coaching people because

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<v Speaker 4>of their success, but I don't think I could coach

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<v Speaker 4>anyone other than my daughters, because I you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 4>like tough. I'm tough, and I feel like I can

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<v Speaker 4>be tough with them, But I don't think I could

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<v Speaker 4>be tough with and I have to coach people who

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<v Speaker 4>are already good, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't teach someone to be good, but I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if anyone can. I mean, you either know how

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<v Speaker 2>to act or you don't. You know, you have an

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<v Speaker 2>instinct to know how to tell a story, or isn't

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<v Speaker 2>it funny?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, isn't I think?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>I think so too. It's something you're born with, But.

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<v Speaker 2>Whether you are a professional actor and pursue it or

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<v Speaker 2>not doesn't necessarily make the qualification I think it's just

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<v Speaker 2>like people inherently either have the ability to feel comfortable

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<v Speaker 2>in whatever environment and just share their story, yeah or not.

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<v Speaker 4>And I'm not necessarily into coaching in general, but that's

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<v Speaker 4>a whole other thing. But I think because they were

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<v Speaker 4>my kids, I could just you know, teach them the

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<v Speaker 4>basics and just to trust their instincts and you know,

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<v Speaker 4>things like that.

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<v Speaker 3>But so did I answer, I was more speaking to

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<v Speaker 3>the homeschooling.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, okay, I was a really good teacher. First

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<v Speaker 4>of all, I was a good student in school. I

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<v Speaker 4>was I was, you know, an a student. So school

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<v Speaker 4>was really important to me. And when my kids decided

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<v Speaker 4>they wanted to graduate early because their actors, it was

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<v Speaker 4>a big deal to me that I was taking school

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<v Speaker 4>away from them because just the social like what I

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<v Speaker 4>what I got out of school socially was a lot

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<v Speaker 4>for me, and I carried that with me through life.

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<v Speaker 4>So it was a little bit sad to me that

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<v Speaker 4>I was taking that away. Homecoming dances and just you know,

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<v Speaker 4>friends and hanging the lockers and like they don't know

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<v Speaker 4>how to do a locker code because they've never been

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<v Speaker 4>to school, pe all those things you know, after school,

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<v Speaker 4>eating lunch in the cafeteria, like, they're not going to

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<v Speaker 4>have those things.

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<v Speaker 2>I experienced in Wintrell, all of our characters exactly.

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<v Speaker 4>So school was important to me, so I made sure

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<v Speaker 4>that they had all those little I even had a

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<v Speaker 4>homecoming dance for Ali. I threw a homecoming dance. It

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<v Speaker 4>was a prom, not homecoming a prom. But I was

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<v Speaker 4>a good teacher because it was important to me. And

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<v Speaker 4>also I became an actress, and I was a little

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<v Speaker 4>sad that I didn't pursue anything, you know, in the

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<v Speaker 4>other fields. I wanted to be an English teacher, and

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<v Speaker 4>so in the program that I had them, and I

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<v Speaker 4>was able to choose any subjects and go as heavy

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<v Speaker 4>or light as I wanted to. And they took tests

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<v Speaker 4>at the end and they had to show that they

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<v Speaker 4>were proficient. But it was very heavy arts because it

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<v Speaker 4>seemed as though that was the direction they were going anyway. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>I wasn't trying to manipulate them into the arts, but

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<v Speaker 4>it seemed like that was the direction they were going.

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<v Speaker 4>So we would watch classics. So if you ask my daughters,

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<v Speaker 4>you know their favorite movies, they'll know the classics. They'll

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<v Speaker 4>know you know who Elizabeth Taylor is and they've seen

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<v Speaker 4>all of her movies. And then we would for science,

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<v Speaker 4>which was not my strong point, we would watch documentaries

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<v Speaker 4>and or movies about science and homeschool. I was so

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<v Speaker 4>fun able to just I don't know, Taylor, their education

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<v Speaker 4>to what they seemed to be interested in and where

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<v Speaker 4>their paths were going. So I wonder if that's one

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<v Speaker 4>of the reasons why. You know, it's so rare a

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<v Speaker 4>thing to meet kids who grew up in LA who

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<v Speaker 4>are children of entertainment professionals who are normal and down

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<v Speaker 4>to earth and cool and actually like really healthy. And

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<v Speaker 4>as you're talking about being their acting teacher and teaching

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<v Speaker 4>them how to trust their instincts, there's something especially for

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<v Speaker 4>young women about learning at a young age how to

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<v Speaker 4>trust your instinct and.

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<v Speaker 2>Be okay with that. Yes, that is pretty pretty formative.

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<v Speaker 2>I bet that's played a huge role. I mean, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not their mother, but I would assume from listening to

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<v Speaker 2>what you're saying that played a huge role in who

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<v Speaker 2>they are today and why they're so healthy and grounded.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and not being over coached. Yeah, And I think

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of you know, when you're not in the

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<v Speaker 4>business and you're a parent who wants to get your

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<v Speaker 4>kids into the business because they're precocious or there, they

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<v Speaker 4>seem to have talent, or they're good looking or whatever,

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<v Speaker 4>and then you us to get them coached and coached

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<v Speaker 4>and coached and coached, and they stop thinking for themselves.

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<v Speaker 4>And so for me, it was just it was really

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<v Speaker 4>all about don't think. Don't think.

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<v Speaker 2>It creates a massive amount of insecurity as well, I

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<v Speaker 2>think because then you're constantly focused on yourself all the time.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, so as a young actor, as a young.

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<v Speaker 2>Actor, Yeah, so that's it sounds like you've I've always

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<v Speaker 2>been in awe of your ability as a mother.

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<v Speaker 4>That is the nicest compliment.

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<v Speaker 2>I truly have. You always felt like a safe play

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<v Speaker 2>and I we were texting the other day about this,

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<v Speaker 2>but you always felt like a safe place to me

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<v Speaker 2>on set, and I didn't I didn't know necessarily how

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<v Speaker 2>to ask for advice or how many times, but even

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<v Speaker 2>like I mean that time I had to put my

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<v Speaker 2>cat down and Barbara came over and was like there

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<v Speaker 2>with me while I had to put my cat. The

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<v Speaker 2>cavet came over and Barbara just sat with me because

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, I need a mom, and I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to do this alone. I'm like, twenty two, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to put my hat down alone.

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<v Speaker 4>Really twenty two. And I thought I didn't have a

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<v Speaker 4>twenty two year old then, so I thought of you as,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, an adult, like yeah, but now I know

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<v Speaker 4>what twenty two is. Oh my god, I'm really young.

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<v Speaker 2>So young. Yeah, so you always felt it was such

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<v Speaker 2>a safe place. I'm just so lucky that we got

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<v Speaker 2>you on the show.

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<v Speaker 4>But once again, I would love to do it again

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<v Speaker 4>and be there more for you and more for all

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<v Speaker 4>the girls, and to be because I think I've always

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<v Speaker 4>been a mom, Like I'm very maternal. I knew when

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<v Speaker 4>I was ten years old I wanted to be a

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<v Speaker 4>mom and even done with my friends, I was maternal.

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<v Speaker 4>So I wish I would have had more time with

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<v Speaker 4>all of you to mother you and just to be

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<v Speaker 4>there and you id But like I said, I didn't

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<v Speaker 4>think of you as young because you were all so

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<v Speaker 4>you acted so mature. I don't know what you were

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<v Speaker 4>feeling inside.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but feeling like we were fourteen, like what are

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<v Speaker 2>we doing here? Just raising ourselves? Yeah, so weird?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, not living at home?

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<v Speaker 2>And I know, so do you have advice for like

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<v Speaker 2>what advice do you have as a mom? Like what

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<v Speaker 2>are some of the best pieces of advice that you've

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<v Speaker 2>been given or that you've learned.

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<v Speaker 4>What I've learned is the less you react when they

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<v Speaker 4>they're going to hear this and that's my secret's going

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<v Speaker 4>to be gone. But the less you react when they

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<v Speaker 4>tell you something shocking, the more they'll tell you yes.

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<v Speaker 4>And even if you don't agree with what they've done

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<v Speaker 4>or what they're telling you, go with it because they're

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<v Speaker 4>telling you because they either need to get it off

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<v Speaker 4>their chest or they they need advice, or they trust you.

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<v Speaker 4>And if you go what you did that, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>like the less judgmental you are, the more they'll confide

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<v Speaker 4>in you, which has been really hard Emily. My Metal

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<v Speaker 4>just tells me everything, and sometimes you don't want to

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<v Speaker 4>hear certain things, but you just have to go with it.

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<v Speaker 5>Like okay, it's okay, yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>And then you know you're not going to cut, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>cut the communication off, because as soon as you are

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<v Speaker 4>judging them.

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<v Speaker 2>It's over.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's over.

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<v Speaker 2>That feels like really consistent advice in terms of your

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<v Speaker 2>personality as well, because you provide that space for everybody

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<v Speaker 2>I think that you come into contact with you feel judge.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you want people in your life who don't judge you.

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<v Speaker 4>That's right, unconditional space.

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<v Speaker 3>And the same thing with the toddler. Right, it's like

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<v Speaker 3>the bigger reaction you have to them doing something, the

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<v Speaker 3>better the odds they're going to keep doing.

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<v Speaker 2>It, yes, you know, or they'll be they'll be terrified

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<v Speaker 2>and won't ever take risks again.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, there's that too.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a big deal with a toddler. What are what

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<v Speaker 2>are some of your big pieces of advice that you

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<v Speaker 2>feel like you've already garnered wisdom on, Like, ah, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>here's the hack.

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<v Speaker 3>I have two mantras that I have been leaning on heavily,

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<v Speaker 3>and especially in December when the whole family got COVID

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<v Speaker 3>so everyone was at like eight percent. Yeah, I really

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<v Speaker 3>leaned into this is funny because it was something like

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<v Speaker 3>it was part of the script for our kids. But

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<v Speaker 3>I ended up using it myself, which is I can

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<v Speaker 3>do hard things, so like I would, I'd be having

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<v Speaker 3>moments where I was literally at my wits end, like

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<v Speaker 3>the very best I could do was to not make

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<v Speaker 3>the situation worse, and I would actually say aloud.

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<v Speaker 6>I can do hard things.

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<v Speaker 3>And my kid would look at me like what is

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<v Speaker 3>Dad melting down? But it would like it would rain

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<v Speaker 3>me in. And then I heard I heard another one

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<v Speaker 3>two days ago. Jenny told me, you know, when he's

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<v Speaker 3>having a big feelings, there's a simple question, would you

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<v Speaker 3>like to be heard, helped or hugged?

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<v Speaker 2>Wow? And I have all three yes and yes, all

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<v Speaker 2>three are totally.

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<v Speaker 3>And then the last thing, because it's the third, is

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<v Speaker 3>this is just when I just remind myself because I

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<v Speaker 3>didn't realize how much anxiety I have until I heard

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<v Speaker 3>the way I would be talking to like to our son,

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<v Speaker 3>so you know, like he would spill the oneter and

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<v Speaker 3>be like money, bunny, Bunny money. I was like, oh wait,

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<v Speaker 3>he's going to pick this up like I need And.

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<v Speaker 4>Then you hear him do it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, And so I always remind myself like slow down, soften,

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<v Speaker 3>just don't take it all so seriously. Yeah, and it

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<v Speaker 3>kind of helps me rain it and like it's just

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<v Speaker 3>water on the floor. Yeah, you know, like because I

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<v Speaker 3>can catch myself getting like a little too tight on

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<v Speaker 3>the reins, like and it's like.

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<v Speaker 4>And they pick up your energy, They just pick up

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<v Speaker 4>your energy. It's you know, yeah, whatever you're feeling. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 4>I'm in a really good mood and I notice people

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<v Speaker 4>like my kids are in good moods, like wait, why

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<v Speaker 4>did I start that train? Like did I? Am I

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<v Speaker 4>the one who's like creating this? Or if I'm not

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<v Speaker 4>in a good mood, same thing, like why are you

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<v Speaker 4>so crabby? Well, because you are. You're like, oh, I'm

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<v Speaker 4>the one who has to be like the happy one here, Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>I got it. And you're well you're in the teenage

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<v Speaker 4>teen years.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, wow, isn't that nuts?

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<v Speaker 4>And a girl teenage?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Superd are you doing I'm doing great?

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<v Speaker 4>You're doing good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she's great. She's so polite and kind and like

0:22:56.600 --> 0:22:59.040
<v Speaker 2>it's it's fun and you know, I mean it's just

0:22:59.080 --> 0:23:02.480
<v Speaker 2>been the two of us for so yeah life really, Yeah,

0:23:02.720 --> 0:23:04.919
<v Speaker 2>we have we have our we have our thing. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean I think that's it. Just like don't get on

0:23:07.760 --> 0:23:10.520
<v Speaker 2>the roller coaster. Come to show up to the theme

0:23:10.560 --> 0:23:12.959
<v Speaker 2>park with them, but like you stay on the ground

0:23:13.119 --> 0:23:15.560
<v Speaker 2>and they get to go on the roller coaster. Yes,

0:23:16.200 --> 0:23:18.000
<v Speaker 2>and I'm just here when you get off the ride

0:23:18.240 --> 0:23:23.480
<v Speaker 2>way for the top while you're at the top. But yeah, no,

0:23:23.560 --> 0:23:28.679
<v Speaker 2>it's it's been It's been really a joy. Truly, I

0:23:28.720 --> 0:23:30.080
<v Speaker 2>feel I feel so lucky.

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<v Speaker 4>It's besting ever.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it is ever. Well, you got to be the

0:23:34.400 --> 0:23:40.360
<v Speaker 2>mom of a boy on One Treo, and I wondered, like.

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<v Speaker 4>How how debt? Like how Deb?

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<v Speaker 2>We've had you on the show before, so I don't

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<v Speaker 2>remember which questions we've already asked you or not, but

0:23:50.920 --> 0:23:53.639
<v Speaker 2>like I wanted to know how Deb came to be

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<v Speaker 2>the personality that she became.

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<v Speaker 4>Is that funny because it was because she went downhill?

0:24:00.080 --> 0:24:01.800
<v Speaker 4>She felt so much like this.

0:24:02.400 --> 0:24:04.439
<v Speaker 2>It was very much what I think of as like

0:24:04.440 --> 0:24:07.359
<v Speaker 2>a boy mom like she was really she was really

0:24:07.560 --> 0:24:12.960
<v Speaker 2>kind of strong and tough and like had everything in

0:24:13.000 --> 0:24:15.320
<v Speaker 2>all her ducks in a row and everything was very

0:24:18.000 --> 0:24:21.119
<v Speaker 2>not chaotic, and then the world just all started falling out.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think they had what happened to Dub. I

0:24:24.200 --> 0:24:27.720
<v Speaker 4>don't think was planned. I think this is my theory

0:24:27.720 --> 0:24:29.600
<v Speaker 4>and I might have said this on the podcast before,

0:24:29.640 --> 0:24:31.560
<v Speaker 4>but my theory is that, well, first of all, the

0:24:31.560 --> 0:24:34.320
<v Speaker 4>writers on One Tree Hill really wrote I think for

0:24:34.480 --> 0:24:36.840
<v Speaker 4>us as they got to know us, maybe wrote to

0:24:36.880 --> 0:24:41.080
<v Speaker 4>our strengths, yeah, maybe added some comedy or not, and

0:24:42.160 --> 0:24:45.480
<v Speaker 4>maybe tried to press some buttons, some emotional buttons where

0:24:45.480 --> 0:24:51.920
<v Speaker 4>we didn't want them to trusim. Yes, but I think

0:24:51.960 --> 0:24:53.760
<v Speaker 4>that when they got to know me and they knew

0:24:53.800 --> 0:24:58.119
<v Speaker 4>I was sort of up for fun, party, party, Barbara, party,

0:24:58.160 --> 0:25:00.479
<v Speaker 4>Babs whatever, they knew I was up for fun and

0:25:00.600 --> 0:25:03.840
<v Speaker 4>just kind of like, yeah, throw me some fun, exciting

0:25:03.840 --> 0:25:06.920
<v Speaker 4>stuff to do that. At that point, Deb started going

0:25:06.960 --> 0:25:08.440
<v Speaker 4>downhill because.

0:25:08.040 --> 0:25:10.600
<v Speaker 3>She became you know, Cayo.

0:25:11.240 --> 0:25:14.119
<v Speaker 4>Yes, yes, you were never having more fun, Like it

0:25:14.200 --> 0:25:16.360
<v Speaker 4>was so much more fun to play a character like that.

0:25:17.000 --> 0:25:19.240
<v Speaker 4>When I go back and watch the beginning episode, she's

0:25:19.320 --> 0:25:21.920
<v Speaker 4>just boring, Like that character is just like, Okay, let's

0:25:21.960 --> 0:25:22.480
<v Speaker 4>have some fun.

0:25:22.800 --> 0:25:23.040
<v Speaker 7>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>What was the sort of initial conceit of Deb, Like,

0:25:27.600 --> 0:25:29.960
<v Speaker 3>how how big of a role was supposed to have?

0:25:30.240 --> 0:25:31.119
<v Speaker 3>What did it look like?

0:25:31.320 --> 0:25:33.240
<v Speaker 4>Dad was a three episode arc?

0:25:33.560 --> 0:25:39.080
<v Speaker 3>God, you didn't do so well? Yeah, but you overstayed

0:25:39.119 --> 0:25:39.560
<v Speaker 3>your welcome.

0:25:43.200 --> 0:25:46.040
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and this is even better. I was on another

0:25:46.080 --> 0:25:48.119
<v Speaker 4>show at the same time, not a regular but a

0:25:48.160 --> 0:25:52.359
<v Speaker 4>recurring role in LA and I knew that one Treehill

0:25:52.400 --> 0:25:54.760
<v Speaker 4>wanted me for three episodes. I was in love with

0:25:54.800 --> 0:25:57.359
<v Speaker 4>this character. I just love I was in love with

0:25:57.400 --> 0:26:01.880
<v Speaker 4>the show, the writing, and I don't think I saw

0:26:01.880 --> 0:26:04.280
<v Speaker 4>into the future that I would be there further than

0:26:04.320 --> 0:26:06.679
<v Speaker 4>three episodes, but I really wanted those three episodes. But

0:26:06.720 --> 0:26:08.879
<v Speaker 4>I had to choose between the two shows, and the

0:26:08.920 --> 0:26:11.680
<v Speaker 4>other show would have possibly taken me further as well,

0:26:13.920 --> 0:26:15.480
<v Speaker 4>and I had to choose, and I chose One Tree

0:26:15.560 --> 0:26:19.480
<v Speaker 4>Hill knowing that it was only three episodes. So then

0:26:19.560 --> 0:26:22.200
<v Speaker 4>when they extended and I and on top of it,

0:26:22.240 --> 0:26:24.840
<v Speaker 4>I never went home. So after three episodes, they said,

0:26:24.840 --> 0:26:26.359
<v Speaker 4>would they want to keep you here? So I didn't

0:26:26.400 --> 0:26:29.280
<v Speaker 4>even pack for it. I didn't even I never even

0:26:29.320 --> 0:26:32.000
<v Speaker 4>went home. So yeah, and then.

0:26:31.920 --> 0:26:33.639
<v Speaker 2>You were here for five years.

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<v Speaker 4>How I always remember, I mean I always forget how

0:26:36.760 --> 0:26:37.560
<v Speaker 4>many I don't know.

0:26:37.560 --> 0:26:40.280
<v Speaker 2>But we were just watching episodes, like a Thanksgiving episode

0:26:40.280 --> 0:26:41.880
<v Speaker 2>that I directed, and you weren't there.

0:26:41.960 --> 0:26:46.280
<v Speaker 3>I was like, where is Dan weird death disappearing. It's

0:26:46.280 --> 0:26:47.520
<v Speaker 3>like when Dan goes away.

0:26:47.320 --> 0:26:50.520
<v Speaker 4>No one explained it away. No one explained it, which is.

0:26:52.160 --> 0:26:52.800
<v Speaker 3>More than Dan.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, And all of a sudden, she just shows up

0:26:55.560 --> 0:26:58.840
<v Speaker 4>one day with Jamie, I think as the babysitter or

0:26:58.840 --> 0:27:02.000
<v Speaker 4>something like. No one ever really in.

0:27:02.119 --> 0:27:05.200
<v Speaker 2>Eight, you're just gone. Did you ever get a phone call?

0:27:05.320 --> 0:27:06.679
<v Speaker 2>Were you working on other things?

0:27:06.720 --> 0:27:06.840
<v Speaker 3>Oh?

0:27:06.880 --> 0:27:11.520
<v Speaker 4>Yeah? Seven I really honestly don't remember. I think season

0:27:11.520 --> 0:27:13.800
<v Speaker 4>eight I moved back to La so I must have

0:27:13.920 --> 0:27:17.359
<v Speaker 4>thought I wasn't coming back. I don't remember. Like the series.

0:27:17.880 --> 0:27:19.439
<v Speaker 4>I think they were going to have me come like

0:27:19.480 --> 0:27:22.440
<v Speaker 4>an occurring basis or something. I don't really remember, but.

0:27:22.560 --> 0:27:25.720
<v Speaker 2>Come back for the end I did. Okay, I don't

0:27:25.760 --> 0:27:37.760
<v Speaker 2>remember yet.

0:27:38.920 --> 0:27:42.640
<v Speaker 3>Was season seven though, when Skills and Dead had a thing?

0:27:42.760 --> 0:27:45.720
<v Speaker 2>No, it was like five. I think it was early

0:27:46.240 --> 0:27:48.760
<v Speaker 2>I should know this, but I think that was five.

0:27:49.680 --> 0:27:52.239
<v Speaker 2>And then they broke up, you guys broke up and

0:27:52.280 --> 0:27:55.760
<v Speaker 2>then you helped us the nanny Carey thing. Yeah, it

0:27:55.840 --> 0:27:59.960
<v Speaker 2>was psychotic and season six maybe I remember exact.

0:28:00.680 --> 0:28:03.560
<v Speaker 4>And I had Allie I think season five. Yeah, so

0:28:03.600 --> 0:28:06.120
<v Speaker 4>I had to leave for a little bit to have her.

0:28:07.320 --> 0:28:09.600
<v Speaker 4>And yeah, well we missed a lot of lunch.

0:28:09.600 --> 0:28:11.359
<v Speaker 2>We're really missing you on the show right now as

0:28:11.359 --> 0:28:12.119
<v Speaker 2>we're watching.

0:28:12.480 --> 0:28:13.560
<v Speaker 4>What are you on right now?

0:28:14.200 --> 0:28:15.360
<v Speaker 3>Eight twelve?

0:28:16.720 --> 0:28:19.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well what's happening? So Brooke and Julian are almost

0:28:19.440 --> 0:28:23.159
<v Speaker 2>about to get married? Okay, And you'll never believe me,

0:28:23.280 --> 0:28:24.440
<v Speaker 2>My god, I didn't.

0:28:24.200 --> 0:28:27.160
<v Speaker 4>Watch you guys, watch you guys. I watched the whole

0:28:27.200 --> 0:28:30.720
<v Speaker 4>show with Allie, not at the time, now Ali wanted

0:28:30.720 --> 0:28:32.880
<v Speaker 4>to watch all nine. Now she wants she's starting over.

0:28:33.119 --> 0:28:36.119
<v Speaker 4>She's a mega fan now, and it's so different for

0:28:36.160 --> 0:28:39.880
<v Speaker 4>her to be here. Well she knew you already, but

0:28:39.960 --> 0:28:42.200
<v Speaker 4>like to know everybody, and being here is different because

0:28:42.200 --> 0:28:43.560
<v Speaker 4>she used to go to the conventions of me and

0:28:43.840 --> 0:28:46.480
<v Speaker 4>not really no everybody, but same here. Like I didn't

0:28:46.720 --> 0:28:49.800
<v Speaker 4>see your work until recently you got You're good.

0:28:50.040 --> 0:28:50.560
<v Speaker 5>You're so good.

0:28:50.840 --> 0:28:52.000
<v Speaker 2>It really good so much.

0:28:52.840 --> 0:28:55.000
<v Speaker 3>It was the same with you. I hadn't because we

0:28:55.040 --> 0:28:57.800
<v Speaker 3>never crossed paths. Yeah, it wasn't until the rewatch It's.

0:28:57.640 --> 0:28:59.080
<v Speaker 4>Like, oh, you're so good.

0:28:59.120 --> 0:29:00.840
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, that's that's right, just.

0:29:00.760 --> 0:29:04.480
<v Speaker 4>Like kind of like two different shows. But I mean,

0:29:04.520 --> 0:29:07.000
<v Speaker 4>I wish I'd come back and entered your storyline.

0:29:07.000 --> 0:29:08.680
<v Speaker 3>That would have been so much fun. I mean, what

0:29:09.000 --> 0:29:11.720
<v Speaker 3>would deb and Clay have gotten into.

0:29:12.080 --> 0:29:14.440
<v Speaker 2>Oh oh my goodness, we would have hadn't a fair

0:29:15.040 --> 0:29:17.720
<v Speaker 2>Oh oh absolutely, As.

0:29:18.320 --> 0:29:22.240
<v Speaker 4>I stopped for a second because Quinn, yeah, oh I

0:29:22.240 --> 0:29:22.680
<v Speaker 4>would I.

0:29:22.680 --> 0:29:25.680
<v Speaker 2>Mean Quinn went off to like, oh no, she said

0:29:25.680 --> 0:29:27.920
<v Speaker 2>she was going to forgo or something, but she didn't

0:29:27.920 --> 0:29:29.280
<v Speaker 2>go the right age.

0:29:29.520 --> 0:29:32.520
<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, oh yeah eighteen.

0:29:33.760 --> 0:29:36.520
<v Speaker 3>I know this because I think the character was supposed

0:29:36.560 --> 0:29:37.920
<v Speaker 3>to be remember when I got the job. I think

0:29:37.960 --> 0:29:40.240
<v Speaker 3>the character is supposed to be like early thirties, and

0:29:40.320 --> 0:29:42.920
<v Speaker 3>I was twenty eight or twenty nine, and so I

0:29:42.960 --> 0:29:45.040
<v Speaker 3>was like, it's They're like, it's cool, just grow out

0:29:45.040 --> 0:29:47.280
<v Speaker 3>your facial hair. And so if you go back and

0:29:47.320 --> 0:29:52.520
<v Speaker 3>watch my first two episodes, I have a very unconvincing.

0:29:53.160 --> 0:29:56.200
<v Speaker 4>Do to make you look a one year older, truly,

0:29:56.360 --> 0:29:56.600
<v Speaker 4>to the.

0:29:56.520 --> 0:29:59.880
<v Speaker 3>Point where it gets abandoned, like one or two episodes

0:29:59.880 --> 0:30:01.520
<v Speaker 3>in the season seven because I was like, I don't

0:30:01.520 --> 0:30:03.760
<v Speaker 3>think that in La was.

0:30:03.760 --> 0:30:08.240
<v Speaker 4>Like her face, but you were playing an adult with

0:30:08.320 --> 0:30:11.600
<v Speaker 4>the job, So yeah, that would have been perfect fit.

0:30:12.320 --> 0:30:19.000
<v Speaker 4>My god, damn, oh well that so many in another way.

0:30:18.800 --> 0:30:21.080
<v Speaker 3>Would club Would that be our couple of men?

0:30:21.200 --> 0:30:31.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Club day no delay delay. That's so good.

0:30:33.040 --> 0:30:35.520
<v Speaker 4>I love all the imagining that funny because it would

0:30:35.520 --> 0:30:38.680
<v Speaker 4>have been I was pregnant on the show, hoping that

0:30:38.720 --> 0:30:42.120
<v Speaker 4>they would just write it in instead of having to hide.

0:30:42.240 --> 0:30:45.560
<v Speaker 4>It's hard to hide a woman's stomach and enormous boobs,

0:30:45.600 --> 0:30:50.560
<v Speaker 4>and let's write it in deb Yeah, because Deb's what

0:30:51.400 --> 0:30:54.320
<v Speaker 4>thirty nine or something, She's not like she's fifty two.

0:30:54.600 --> 0:30:58.720
<v Speaker 4>Like it's I mean, I'm pregnant, So deb could be pregnant.

0:30:58.720 --> 0:31:02.160
<v Speaker 4>We're kind of the same age. And for the writers,

0:31:02.240 --> 0:31:04.240
<v Speaker 4>just like they're like, what, we don't know what to

0:31:04.280 --> 0:31:05.520
<v Speaker 4>do to be pregnant?

0:31:05.680 --> 0:31:08.640
<v Speaker 2>Like I mean, I think the same thing happened to Haley,

0:31:08.840 --> 0:31:10.520
<v Speaker 2>Like once I had a kid, then they were kind

0:31:10.520 --> 0:31:12.040
<v Speaker 2>of like, well, what do we do with you now?

0:31:13.080 --> 0:31:15.040
<v Speaker 2>Like you're not interesting anymore?

0:31:15.200 --> 0:31:20.880
<v Speaker 4>So everything opens up, like so many possibilities, becomes so

0:31:20.960 --> 0:31:23.840
<v Speaker 4>much more interesting, become so much more aware of, so

0:31:23.960 --> 0:31:26.440
<v Speaker 4>much more yourself, so much more comfortable being who you are.

0:31:26.560 --> 0:31:29.120
<v Speaker 4>We can throw in a sexy nanny that you hire.

0:31:32.040 --> 0:31:36.080
<v Speaker 2>So many possibilities, so many possibilities. Wait, speaking of possibilities,

0:31:36.160 --> 0:31:38.440
<v Speaker 2>I've said for a while that there should be a

0:31:38.440 --> 0:31:41.000
<v Speaker 2>prequel to Onetree Hill, Like there should be they need

0:31:41.040 --> 0:31:43.720
<v Speaker 2>to do like Deb, Dan and Karen in the eighties.

0:31:44.120 --> 0:31:47.360
<v Speaker 4>You know, so I've never heard this idea that you know,

0:31:47.440 --> 0:31:49.680
<v Speaker 4>one of my daughters could plain and the prequel.

0:31:49.720 --> 0:31:52.000
<v Speaker 2>This is my question, Actually, which one of your daughters

0:31:52.040 --> 0:31:52.480
<v Speaker 2>do you think?

0:31:53.600 --> 0:31:55.080
<v Speaker 4>I mean, well, look, we know that.

0:31:56.560 --> 0:31:59.520
<v Speaker 2>Olivia is the right age. Ali's like God, she's the

0:31:59.520 --> 0:32:02.480
<v Speaker 2>writing the same energy as you, and I feel like

0:32:02.520 --> 0:32:03.400
<v Speaker 2>that would be a good fit.

0:32:03.560 --> 0:32:05.000
<v Speaker 4>It would be great I could.

0:32:04.800 --> 0:32:07.800
<v Speaker 2>Also see Emily and Natalie. Like, I guess it just

0:32:07.840 --> 0:32:08.920
<v Speaker 2>depends on how.

0:32:08.800 --> 0:32:13.760
<v Speaker 4>They wrote the character them. Maybe the prequel, so you

0:32:13.880 --> 0:32:16.280
<v Speaker 4>lot of the most the prequel could go over a

0:32:16.280 --> 0:32:18.040
<v Speaker 4>few years, and then it could be all three of them.

0:32:18.200 --> 0:32:20.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I got you know, it would be great.

0:32:20.400 --> 0:32:20.640
<v Speaker 7>Wow.

0:32:21.200 --> 0:32:23.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like, I just think that is such a I

0:32:23.920 --> 0:32:26.560
<v Speaker 2>think that would be so much a great idea. I

0:32:26.800 --> 0:32:28.280
<v Speaker 2>think it would be really really.

0:32:28.120 --> 0:32:30.200
<v Speaker 3>Interesting, especially if it's in the eighties.

0:32:30.280 --> 0:32:34.760
<v Speaker 2>I love eighties, eighties anything, and it's already characters that

0:32:34.760 --> 0:32:36.880
<v Speaker 2>people are obsessed with, and it's so much drama that

0:32:37.080 --> 0:32:39.960
<v Speaker 2>when we started. When you start the pilot, you're walking

0:32:40.040 --> 0:32:43.040
<v Speaker 2>into a ton of drama that's already pre existing. You've

0:32:43.080 --> 0:32:46.640
<v Speaker 2>got this small town, this family that's these two families

0:32:46.640 --> 0:32:49.000
<v Speaker 2>that are divided, and we don't really know much about

0:32:49.000 --> 0:32:51.280
<v Speaker 2>the history of these characters except the flashbacks.

0:32:51.320 --> 0:32:53.840
<v Speaker 4>Even if they're different actors, everyone's already in love with

0:32:53.880 --> 0:32:54.360
<v Speaker 4>the character.

0:32:54.400 --> 0:32:55.000
<v Speaker 2>That's what I mean.

0:32:55.320 --> 0:33:00.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, exactly, it's because they ultimately know what's going to be.

0:33:01.000 --> 0:33:07.480
<v Speaker 2>Yes, do just build a show. I'm telling you, let's

0:33:07.480 --> 0:33:08.080
<v Speaker 2>go after drinks.

0:33:08.120 --> 0:33:09.800
<v Speaker 3>Well from the.

0:33:09.760 --> 0:33:14.840
<v Speaker 4>Podcast, she was on the show because she was in

0:33:14.880 --> 0:33:17.320
<v Speaker 4>my stomach like and so be so cool for her

0:33:17.320 --> 0:33:17.920
<v Speaker 4>to do.

0:33:18.520 --> 0:33:21.400
<v Speaker 2>Okay, fine, fine, fine.

0:33:21.600 --> 0:33:24.840
<v Speaker 3>I have a question at these conventions, when people come

0:33:24.920 --> 0:33:26.880
<v Speaker 3>up to you, when fans come up to you, is

0:33:26.920 --> 0:33:31.280
<v Speaker 3>there a scene or a quote that you hear the most.

0:33:32.040 --> 0:33:36.080
<v Speaker 4>Yes, life Wait, I have to get it right now.

0:33:36.400 --> 0:33:38.960
<v Speaker 4>Life sucks. Give me a drink. Life sucks. I want

0:33:38.960 --> 0:33:41.920
<v Speaker 4>to drink. I think that's what it was. Life sucks.

0:33:42.320 --> 0:33:45.160
<v Speaker 4>I need a drink. Yeah, over and over and over again,

0:33:45.200 --> 0:33:48.200
<v Speaker 4>and people want me to write it like optimistic.

0:33:49.360 --> 0:33:49.920
<v Speaker 3>Life sucks.

0:33:49.960 --> 0:33:51.520
<v Speaker 4>I need to drink. Barbara Allen Woods.

0:33:53.880 --> 0:33:56.600
<v Speaker 3>We just interviewed Barry Corbin and he had a fan

0:33:56.680 --> 0:33:58.200
<v Speaker 3>and get the quote of his tattoo, but it was

0:33:58.200 --> 0:34:04.120
<v Speaker 3>like a beautiful saying and I just wanted to drink. Wow,

0:34:04.760 --> 0:34:08.239
<v Speaker 3>mama needs a buzz mom of the year stuff right there.

0:34:08.360 --> 0:34:12.359
<v Speaker 4>I'm telling you, I don't know any other. I don't

0:34:12.360 --> 0:34:14.359
<v Speaker 4>think she ever said anything very like.

0:34:15.000 --> 0:34:19.600
<v Speaker 3>I don't know do you have a favorite uh oh,

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<v Speaker 3>a deb quote? No scene? Do you think of fond

0:34:24.080 --> 0:34:24.760
<v Speaker 3>just you remember shooting?

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<v Speaker 4>I mean I loved all the stuff that Paul and

0:34:26.520 --> 0:34:28.480
<v Speaker 4>I had to do together, like just playing tricks on

0:34:28.520 --> 0:34:32.319
<v Speaker 4>each other and all the the War of the Roses. Yeah,

0:34:32.360 --> 0:34:34.600
<v Speaker 4>I mean that was my favorite. I also had a

0:34:34.600 --> 0:34:37.960
<v Speaker 4>great scene with Moira that was fun. I like comedy,

0:34:38.080 --> 0:34:41.040
<v Speaker 4>and so to be like the comedic in such a

0:34:41.080 --> 0:34:43.920
<v Speaker 4>serious show where it's a lot of you know, talking

0:34:43.960 --> 0:34:46.960
<v Speaker 4>heads and crying and all that, I think it's the

0:34:47.000 --> 0:34:50.160
<v Speaker 4>most fun. And I'm not necessarily into being on a sitcom,

0:34:50.520 --> 0:34:53.440
<v Speaker 4>but I love being like the comedy in a drama.

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<v Speaker 2>How did the Goldbergs go for you? I haven't seen

0:34:55.800 --> 0:34:58.440
<v Speaker 2>your episodes yet. Oh, it was so much fun. And

0:34:58.520 --> 0:35:01.200
<v Speaker 2>this broad comedy that's not front of his studio audience, right,

0:35:01.280 --> 0:35:04.680
<v Speaker 2>that's like a single camera. It was single camera. Yeah, okay, okay,

0:35:04.920 --> 0:35:07.240
<v Speaker 2>have you done well? I know you did Seinfeld because

0:35:07.239 --> 0:35:11.120
<v Speaker 2>I watched Seinfeld and I'm like, who Barbara Barbara?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my gosh, yeah, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Know that was what episode? Would you do?

0:35:15.280 --> 0:35:21.000
<v Speaker 4>I played, oh, someone going out with Jason Alexander, a

0:35:21.120 --> 0:35:24.520
<v Speaker 4>date of Jason Alexander. I actually, you want to hear some.

0:35:24.480 --> 0:35:28.320
<v Speaker 3>Dirt all of it. Yes, I used to date.

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<v Speaker 4>Someone from that show you did, David.

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<v Speaker 2>I wish Michael Richard's Jerry Jerry. Oh my gosh, what

0:35:43.640 --> 0:35:51.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm weirdly attracted to you right now? Yeah? Wow?

0:35:52.719 --> 0:35:56.840
<v Speaker 4>Small World. Yes, at a comedy club, and it was

0:35:56.880 --> 0:36:00.359
<v Speaker 4>before he was Seinfeld. But he did stand up and

0:36:01.000 --> 0:36:04.400
<v Speaker 4>even watch the pilot together when he had done the pilot, Like,

0:36:04.440 --> 0:36:05.960
<v Speaker 4>you want to watch the show? I just did a

0:36:06.040 --> 0:36:08.799
<v Speaker 4>pilot O yah. Sure, And I think it wasn't picked

0:36:08.880 --> 0:36:11.200
<v Speaker 4>up to begin with. I remember not being picked up,

0:36:11.200 --> 0:36:11.520
<v Speaker 4>and then.

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<v Speaker 3>I got a partial pickup of like five or six episodes, okay,

0:36:14.880 --> 0:36:17.560
<v Speaker 3>and they were very very much on shaky ground. It

0:36:17.600 --> 0:36:19.600
<v Speaker 3>was a very different show that first. I think it's

0:36:19.640 --> 0:36:22.880
<v Speaker 3>like a six episode season. That's how uncertain the network

0:36:23.000 --> 0:36:23.839
<v Speaker 3>was about the show.

0:36:24.120 --> 0:36:26.480
<v Speaker 4>Wow, it goes to show how much network people don't know.

0:36:26.800 --> 0:36:29.200
<v Speaker 2>Oh my ysh, Yeah, it's so true.

0:36:29.520 --> 0:36:32.239
<v Speaker 3>Was Jerry a fun hanging? Was he funny in person?

0:36:32.440 --> 0:36:36.239
<v Speaker 4>He's very serious about being funny. I think a lot

0:36:36.239 --> 0:36:39.560
<v Speaker 4>of comedians are that way, so serious. People like not

0:36:39.640 --> 0:36:40.600
<v Speaker 4>what you would expect.

0:36:40.680 --> 0:36:44.680
<v Speaker 2>It's super sharp and intelligent, so smart, so so so smart.

0:36:44.400 --> 0:36:46.680
<v Speaker 4>And so nice to fans. I mean we ended up

0:36:46.719 --> 0:36:48.520
<v Speaker 4>being friends and then I ended up doing the show

0:36:48.560 --> 0:36:52.160
<v Speaker 4>after we dated. Oh funny, that's great. Yeah, it was good.

0:36:52.280 --> 0:36:55.960
<v Speaker 2>So you did sitcoms? You've done sitcoms in your life

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<v Speaker 2>with a live audience yeah, have you done a lot

0:36:58.480 --> 0:36:58.840
<v Speaker 2>of theater?

0:36:59.200 --> 0:37:02.279
<v Speaker 4>Yep? When did you do theater in Chicago before I

0:37:02.360 --> 0:37:05.640
<v Speaker 4>moved out to LA And I did something in La too,

0:37:05.640 --> 0:37:07.719
<v Speaker 4>But it's not like it's not the scene in La.

0:37:07.880 --> 0:37:11.320
<v Speaker 4>Yeah it's not, but I did. That's how I started

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<v Speaker 4>doing theater. And I majored in theater in college and

0:37:13.760 --> 0:37:18.560
<v Speaker 4>then just a bunch of theater played Cinderella Joy. Did

0:37:18.600 --> 0:37:19.840
<v Speaker 4>you Hammerstein?

0:37:20.080 --> 0:37:22.040
<v Speaker 2>No? I was gonna say, wait, do you sing?

0:37:22.239 --> 0:37:23.200
<v Speaker 4>And I didn't know this.

0:37:23.920 --> 0:37:24.879
<v Speaker 2>I do you sing?

0:37:25.040 --> 0:37:25.120
<v Speaker 3>Do?

0:37:25.440 --> 0:37:29.279
<v Speaker 4>But not like you Well, I'm just wondering, like what

0:37:29.360 --> 0:37:30.040
<v Speaker 4>do you no?

0:37:30.040 --> 0:37:30.520
<v Speaker 2>No? No?

0:37:30.760 --> 0:37:31.200
<v Speaker 3>Yes?

0:37:31.920 --> 0:37:37.520
<v Speaker 4>And we talked Broadway on set. Okay, maybe we did,

0:37:39.280 --> 0:37:42.279
<v Speaker 4>but I just loved, like, you know, I'm kind of

0:37:42.280 --> 0:37:44.000
<v Speaker 4>a nerd that way. And I remember being on the

0:37:44.040 --> 0:37:47.480
<v Speaker 4>carpet for during One Tree Hill for certain events, and

0:37:47.960 --> 0:37:51.080
<v Speaker 4>because One Tree Hill was so music heavy, they would

0:37:51.080 --> 0:37:53.239
<v Speaker 4>always say, you know, who was your favorite artist? What

0:37:53.320 --> 0:37:55.440
<v Speaker 4>is your favorite song? And for me, it's just Broadway.

0:37:56.200 --> 0:37:58.239
<v Speaker 4>And I always felt kind of nerdy saying that, like,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know, a chorus line is my favorit? Like

0:38:00.760 --> 0:38:02.680
<v Speaker 4>is that current? I don't know. Do you see a

0:38:02.680 --> 0:38:05.840
<v Speaker 4>lot of new shows? It's it's my favorite thing in

0:38:05.840 --> 0:38:06.080
<v Speaker 4>the world.

0:38:06.120 --> 0:38:08.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, wait, what have you seen? Oh lately?

0:38:08.920 --> 0:38:13.080
<v Speaker 4>Nothing in nothing recently? Oh really nothing recently, Like.

0:38:13.080 --> 0:38:14.319
<v Speaker 2>You don't go to the pantagous and go.

0:38:14.520 --> 0:38:20.239
<v Speaker 4>But I did see Cinderella on Broadway and that was special. Yeah,

0:38:20.320 --> 0:38:22.840
<v Speaker 4>I mean whenever I was going more often when I

0:38:22.880 --> 0:38:25.160
<v Speaker 4>was in North Carolina because New York is so close.

0:38:26.560 --> 0:38:28.239
<v Speaker 2>So I wish i'd done that. I wish I had

0:38:28.280 --> 0:38:29.960
<v Speaker 2>just like hopped out. Hillary did that all the time,

0:38:29.960 --> 0:38:30.520
<v Speaker 2>all the time.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I just the week's so fun.

0:38:33.320 --> 0:38:33.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:38:33.800 --> 0:38:36.520
<v Speaker 2>Well, no often, yeah, yeah, hour.

0:38:36.360 --> 0:38:38.400
<v Speaker 3>And a half light guys, I know, it's really did

0:38:38.440 --> 0:38:40.080
<v Speaker 3>you do it never?

0:38:40.960 --> 0:38:42.040
<v Speaker 6>I just have listen.

0:38:42.080 --> 0:38:44.200
<v Speaker 3>There's one thing I know. It is flight time between

0:38:44.200 --> 0:38:46.279
<v Speaker 3>major cities. Okay, it's an hour and a half hour

0:38:46.320 --> 0:38:48.279
<v Speaker 3>twenty five yeah.

0:38:48.320 --> 0:38:54.000
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:38:54.040 --> 0:38:57.680
<v Speaker 2>So you're in like such a new interesting phase in life,

0:38:57.680 --> 0:38:59.719
<v Speaker 2>as you were talking about at the very beginning of this,

0:39:00.200 --> 0:39:04.400
<v Speaker 2>and it's just so it's so lovely as your friend

0:39:04.480 --> 0:39:07.400
<v Speaker 2>to see you beaming and happy. I mean, you've always

0:39:07.400 --> 0:39:11.319
<v Speaker 2>had a lightness about you, but it feels like there's

0:39:11.360 --> 0:39:14.080
<v Speaker 2>an authenticity like you're not you know, you don't have

0:39:14.080 --> 0:39:17.200
<v Speaker 2>to compartmentalize when you're when there are things happening in

0:39:17.239 --> 0:39:19.920
<v Speaker 2>your life that there's a lot of tension in the

0:39:19.920 --> 0:39:23.399
<v Speaker 2>personal world. That can be so difficult, and I tend

0:39:23.400 --> 0:39:25.960
<v Speaker 2>to compartmentalize anyway when things are going on like that,

0:39:26.080 --> 0:39:28.960
<v Speaker 2>And it's really fun to see you in this just

0:39:29.000 --> 0:39:30.760
<v Speaker 2>super authentic phase.

0:39:32.280 --> 0:39:34.759
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, go ahead, Well when you're you know, Mike, I've

0:39:34.760 --> 0:39:37.680
<v Speaker 4>been very focused on my girls. Yeah, since One Tree Hill,

0:39:37.760 --> 0:39:40.000
<v Speaker 4>that's really all I was focused on. Yeah, and they

0:39:40.000 --> 0:39:43.759
<v Speaker 4>started their careers and I was insistent that nobody else

0:39:43.760 --> 0:39:45.479
<v Speaker 4>would be a part of that and be on set

0:39:45.520 --> 0:39:47.440
<v Speaker 4>with them, and it was just important for me to

0:39:47.480 --> 0:39:50.240
<v Speaker 4>teach them etiquette and how to treat it, just everything

0:39:50.600 --> 0:39:52.400
<v Speaker 4>it needed to be me that was there when you

0:39:52.400 --> 0:39:53.240
<v Speaker 4>had three kids.

0:39:53.239 --> 0:39:55.919
<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's it's hard, a real and a full

0:39:55.920 --> 0:39:59.000
<v Speaker 2>time job, like this is a real thing. Yeah yeah, yeah,

0:39:59.120 --> 0:40:00.480
<v Speaker 2>it's a huge response ability.

0:40:00.920 --> 0:40:02.520
<v Speaker 4>But now that they're older and they're you know, when

0:40:02.520 --> 0:40:04.759
<v Speaker 4>they're eighteen, they can be and Alley's about to turn

0:40:04.800 --> 0:40:06.759
<v Speaker 4>eighteen and so kind of like my job is done.

0:40:06.800 --> 0:40:11.960
<v Speaker 4>I'm still there for them, but it's time for me it,

0:40:12.000 --> 0:40:14.520
<v Speaker 4>which is scary. I'll focus on me a little bit

0:40:15.120 --> 0:40:19.080
<v Speaker 4>and then seriously, when you start focusing on yourself and

0:40:19.280 --> 0:40:25.239
<v Speaker 4>really do love yourself and take care of yourself, things

0:40:25.239 --> 0:40:28.680
<v Speaker 4>start coming to you amazing, you know, Like I focused

0:40:28.719 --> 0:40:30.960
<v Speaker 4>on them, things came to them. You know, you have

0:40:31.040 --> 0:40:35.280
<v Speaker 4>to put energy in the things you're going to benefit from.

0:40:35.320 --> 0:40:35.560
<v Speaker 3>Sure.

0:40:35.719 --> 0:40:40.640
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so yeah, I just am in a phase of

0:40:41.239 --> 0:40:43.440
<v Speaker 4>me and things are coming to me. And one of

0:40:43.480 --> 0:40:46.000
<v Speaker 4>those things was really nice.

0:40:46.120 --> 0:40:50.719
<v Speaker 3>I just know, and I was in awe of like

0:40:51.000 --> 0:40:56.440
<v Speaker 3>the height and handsomeness caught me so off guard. Oh yeah,

0:40:56.520 --> 0:40:57.799
<v Speaker 3>I was just I walked in there and I was like,

0:41:00.040 --> 0:41:05.719
<v Speaker 3>boyfriend is so handsome and uh lovely, very warm.

0:41:05.840 --> 0:41:10.920
<v Speaker 4>But let me tell you, like the nicest, warmest, most

0:41:11.000 --> 0:41:13.280
<v Speaker 4>loving giving person I've ever met in my life.

0:41:14.080 --> 0:41:16.360
<v Speaker 3>That tracks, though, I'm happy to hear that, and it

0:41:16.400 --> 0:41:18.880
<v Speaker 3>also tracks because that is very much your lane.

0:41:19.360 --> 0:41:23.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah he I I didn't know this, Like somebody told

0:41:23.880 --> 0:41:26.040
<v Speaker 2>me that he actually is kind of famous, and I

0:41:26.080 --> 0:41:26.320
<v Speaker 2>did not.

0:41:26.760 --> 0:41:29.279
<v Speaker 4>I did not know, Like is this true? He can

0:41:29.560 --> 0:41:32.160
<v Speaker 4>recognize way more than I do. Like it's because he's

0:41:32.200 --> 0:41:36.080
<v Speaker 4>like his presence too, you know, it's like you can't yeah,

0:41:36.120 --> 0:41:37.479
<v Speaker 4>I mean you've seen the show.

0:41:38.239 --> 0:41:43.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he was on Cops for our listener. He was

0:41:43.760 --> 0:41:44.160
<v Speaker 3>he was.

0:41:44.120 --> 0:41:45.799
<v Speaker 4>He was an army cop. He was a cop in

0:41:45.840 --> 0:41:46.920
<v Speaker 4>the army before.

0:41:47.320 --> 0:41:49.040
<v Speaker 2>What what does he? What does he?

0:41:49.320 --> 0:41:52.239
<v Speaker 3>You actually don't know what? Oh, you don't know.

0:41:53.120 --> 0:41:55.960
<v Speaker 2>I only I only just heard, but our listeners may

0:41:56.000 --> 0:41:58.439
<v Speaker 2>not know. I did just okay, okay, but I heard

0:41:58.480 --> 0:42:01.200
<v Speaker 2>like an hour ago. I didn't actual his daughter.

0:42:01.120 --> 0:42:05.680
<v Speaker 4>Was on the Bachelor, and she would his daughter was

0:42:05.680 --> 0:42:06.360
<v Speaker 4>on the Bachelor.

0:42:06.440 --> 0:42:07.720
<v Speaker 3>You didn't know, I didn't know. Okay.

0:42:08.080 --> 0:42:11.960
<v Speaker 4>Her name's Kelsey. She's beautiful, she's wonderful. All of his

0:42:12.040 --> 0:42:14.719
<v Speaker 4>kids are. But his daughter was on the Bachelor. And

0:42:14.800 --> 0:42:16.360
<v Speaker 4>you know, at the end of The Bachelor, they go

0:42:16.400 --> 0:42:21.319
<v Speaker 4>to hometown. They introduced to theirs three remaining girls, and

0:42:22.120 --> 0:42:25.680
<v Speaker 4>they take the Bachelor home to meet their family. And

0:42:26.040 --> 0:42:29.920
<v Speaker 4>Mark was there being all cute and dimply and sweet

0:42:30.000 --> 0:42:33.799
<v Speaker 4>and like, who's that guy the producers the background, he's

0:42:33.840 --> 0:42:37.240
<v Speaker 4>the dad. And I'm watching the show with my girls

0:42:37.320 --> 0:42:40.080
<v Speaker 4>because we always watched the show. It's like a mindless

0:42:40.160 --> 0:42:42.800
<v Speaker 4>sorry Bachelor, but it was just like a brainless, mindless

0:42:42.800 --> 0:42:47.440
<v Speaker 4>I'm sorry, and I think that's probably but one of

0:42:47.480 --> 0:42:49.239
<v Speaker 4>my favorite shows of all time. But you can turn

0:42:49.239 --> 0:42:52.279
<v Speaker 4>your brain off pretty much, so and teaching them what

0:42:52.320 --> 0:42:54.280
<v Speaker 4>not to do, and we used to count it towards

0:42:54.280 --> 0:42:58.919
<v Speaker 4>school the Bachelor. I'm not getting one hour school, yep,

0:42:59.760 --> 0:43:04.200
<v Speaker 4>and so kind of interested in him. I'm like, oh,

0:43:04.200 --> 0:43:06.480
<v Speaker 4>see if he has an Instagram, what's his name, Martin.

0:43:07.120 --> 0:43:07.600
<v Speaker 2>Oh, he's an.

0:43:07.560 --> 0:43:11.600
<v Speaker 4>Instagram not many followers, but I'm gonna DM him. And

0:43:11.640 --> 0:43:14.640
<v Speaker 4>then I guess I wasn't the only one who noticed

0:43:14.640 --> 0:43:19.319
<v Speaker 4>his dimples. So then he was at the final episode

0:43:19.440 --> 0:43:23.000
<v Speaker 4>of her show. He was in the audience, and I'm

0:43:23.000 --> 0:43:25.920
<v Speaker 4>watching with Ali and like, oh, there's my boyfriend, the

0:43:26.000 --> 0:43:27.560
<v Speaker 4>one I DM. I'm like, oh, I wonder if you

0:43:27.600 --> 0:43:31.279
<v Speaker 4>ever responded. He didn't respond to me, So then they

0:43:31.320 --> 0:43:34.359
<v Speaker 4>announced that he's going to be on the Golden Bachelorette

0:43:34.440 --> 0:43:38.239
<v Speaker 4>as a contestant. Oh, like taking my boyfriend away from me.

0:43:38.719 --> 0:43:41.719
<v Speaker 4>Then I DM him again, like I don't know what

0:43:41.760 --> 0:43:43.759
<v Speaker 4>I say. It was so corny whatever I said, like

0:43:43.880 --> 0:43:45.360
<v Speaker 4>you have a cute smile, You're going to go a

0:43:45.360 --> 0:43:49.120
<v Speaker 4>long way in life or something stupid, and still didn't respond.

0:43:49.200 --> 0:43:51.360
<v Speaker 4>But then I realized he's not responding because he's already

0:43:51.400 --> 0:43:54.600
<v Speaker 4>on the show because they take their phones away, Like

0:43:54.640 --> 0:43:58.080
<v Speaker 4>maybe that's why he's not responding. And then he got

0:43:58.160 --> 0:44:00.520
<v Speaker 4>kicked off and I'm watching every week to see if

0:44:00.520 --> 0:44:04.000
<v Speaker 4>my boyfriend's gonna get kicked off the show. I've never

0:44:04.040 --> 0:44:09.720
<v Speaker 4>really spoken, watching feeling like we know him but we don't,

0:44:10.400 --> 0:44:13.520
<v Speaker 4>and like, oh he's still on. Oh, she really likes him.

0:44:13.560 --> 0:44:17.279
<v Speaker 4>Like and then he got kicked off. And by the

0:44:17.360 --> 0:44:20.040
<v Speaker 4>time he got kicked off, he had already responded to me.

0:44:20.200 --> 0:44:24.840
<v Speaker 4>So we started talking through social media or whatever. And

0:44:24.840 --> 0:44:26.640
<v Speaker 4>then you go the next step, texting, and then you

0:44:26.680 --> 0:44:29.800
<v Speaker 4>go the next step and you talk, and we started

0:44:29.800 --> 0:44:32.759
<v Speaker 4>talking and it's been NonStop.

0:44:33.400 --> 0:44:34.040
<v Speaker 2>Barbarack.

0:44:34.320 --> 0:44:35.239
<v Speaker 4>He's such a good guy.

0:44:35.360 --> 0:44:37.200
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, I just.

0:44:37.160 --> 0:44:39.840
<v Speaker 4>Have to get used to being with good people. Like

0:44:39.920 --> 0:44:40.719
<v Speaker 4>he's a good guy.

0:44:41.080 --> 0:44:42.320
<v Speaker 2>How do your daughters feeling?

0:44:42.360 --> 0:44:46.520
<v Speaker 4>They love him? Oh, probably more even than I do.

0:44:46.920 --> 0:44:49.640
<v Speaker 4>They love him and they love seeing me happy, and

0:44:49.680 --> 0:44:53.120
<v Speaker 4>they love seeing me being treated correctly. And he's just

0:44:53.280 --> 0:44:57.120
<v Speaker 4>so soft spoken, but when he speaks, it's just means something.

0:44:57.640 --> 0:45:00.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I love people like that. Yeah, I want to

0:45:00.360 --> 0:45:02.359
<v Speaker 2>be one of those people. I'm not there, Oh me neither,

0:45:02.440 --> 0:45:02.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm not.

0:45:02.719 --> 0:45:03.520
<v Speaker 4>I talk all the time.

0:45:04.200 --> 0:45:06.520
<v Speaker 3>Your daughters are constantly pulling you aside, like mom, do

0:45:06.680 --> 0:45:07.440
<v Speaker 3>not blow.

0:45:07.200 --> 0:45:10.600
<v Speaker 4>This, do not all of us, and you're not, like

0:45:10.760 --> 0:45:14.440
<v Speaker 4>it's the truth. I'll get a little unhealthy from time

0:45:14.480 --> 0:45:16.239
<v Speaker 4>to time and I'll say something, but do you think

0:45:16.239 --> 0:45:21.200
<v Speaker 4>he's mom? No, he's everything. Like they just would be

0:45:21.280 --> 0:45:22.640
<v Speaker 4>so mad at me if I know.

0:45:23.120 --> 0:45:35.640
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

0:45:35.800 --> 0:45:37.879
<v Speaker 2>The thing I've been thinking about lately is that we're

0:45:38.000 --> 0:45:44.120
<v Speaker 2>professional at instant intimacy. You know how to just create

0:45:44.160 --> 0:45:46.279
<v Speaker 2>instant intimacy and it's lovely and it gives us all

0:45:46.320 --> 0:45:50.160
<v Speaker 2>those dopamine feelings that you want, but we're not taking

0:45:50.200 --> 0:45:52.400
<v Speaker 2>the time to build the found in real life. If

0:45:52.400 --> 0:45:54.640
<v Speaker 2>we do that, which we're so good at, it's so easy.

0:45:54.719 --> 0:45:56.360
<v Speaker 2>So it's like, oh, here's my little thing trick I

0:45:56.400 --> 0:45:58.759
<v Speaker 2>can pull out of my hat. But if you don't

0:45:58.760 --> 0:46:02.440
<v Speaker 2>take the time to actually build the foundation in real life, yeah,

0:46:02.520 --> 0:46:05.160
<v Speaker 2>then the instant intimacy is just cheap and it goes

0:46:05.200 --> 0:46:07.280
<v Speaker 2>away cheaply. To like, it's easy to make it go away,

0:46:07.320 --> 0:46:09.120
<v Speaker 2>it's easy to second guess it and all that stuff.

0:46:09.200 --> 0:46:11.160
<v Speaker 2>So it's so important to take that time.

0:46:11.239 --> 0:46:13.480
<v Speaker 4>It was kind of nice because our relationship started on

0:46:13.520 --> 0:46:16.160
<v Speaker 4>the phone, so all we did was talk. Yeah, and

0:46:16.200 --> 0:46:18.920
<v Speaker 4>so you like, if you have that, you know, connection

0:46:19.120 --> 0:46:21.520
<v Speaker 4>with a guy, like sometimes you jump into things, maybe

0:46:21.520 --> 0:46:25.640
<v Speaker 4>you shouldn't so quickly but we just talked. I mean,

0:46:25.680 --> 0:46:26.920
<v Speaker 4>we did a lot of phone sex.

0:46:27.120 --> 0:46:28.719
<v Speaker 2>But I'm kidding, I'm kidding.

0:46:28.760 --> 0:46:36.239
<v Speaker 4>I'm kidding now, I'm kidding, kidding, we did, but but no, no, no,

0:46:36.280 --> 0:46:38.680
<v Speaker 4>I'm serious. Like you get to know something if that's

0:46:38.719 --> 0:46:42.600
<v Speaker 4>all you have, Yeah, then it's not.

0:46:42.600 --> 0:46:44.759
<v Speaker 2>So much about like feeding your ego. Then you know

0:46:44.840 --> 0:46:48.400
<v Speaker 2>the instant gratification of like instant intimacy. Is it feels

0:46:48.400 --> 0:46:50.960
<v Speaker 2>so good, but it's it Is it really about our

0:46:50.960 --> 0:46:52.640
<v Speaker 2>connection or is it just about the fact that this

0:46:52.719 --> 0:46:54.640
<v Speaker 2>feels good to me and it's about me.

0:46:55.200 --> 0:46:59.120
<v Speaker 3>Yes, it can become a substitute for true intimacy. Yes, yeah,

0:46:59.239 --> 0:47:00.960
<v Speaker 3>it's a band. It can be a crutch, that's what

0:47:01.560 --> 0:47:02.840
<v Speaker 3>it's give me, be a crutch as opposed to the

0:47:02.840 --> 0:47:06.840
<v Speaker 3>phone when all you got is like questions and answers.

0:47:07.160 --> 0:47:09.080
<v Speaker 4>And he would pause for ten seconds because that's what

0:47:09.120 --> 0:47:14.040
<v Speaker 4>he does when he's talking. I've learned thinking let it be.

0:47:14.160 --> 0:47:15.960
<v Speaker 4>So now what I'm going to say is like, but

0:47:16.040 --> 0:47:17.240
<v Speaker 4>on the phone, it's like, what's wrong?

0:47:17.719 --> 0:47:18.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what are you doing?

0:47:18.560 --> 0:47:22.839
<v Speaker 4>What's wrong? Yeah, he's like what I'm just thinking, Like, okay,

0:47:23.000 --> 0:47:27.320
<v Speaker 4>you're okay because you paused for three seconds, you know, Yeah,

0:47:28.680 --> 0:47:33.919
<v Speaker 4>he's great. He's great, he cooks, he's like, he takes

0:47:33.920 --> 0:47:37.000
<v Speaker 4>care of his kids, like he loves me. He came

0:47:37.080 --> 0:47:38.120
<v Speaker 4>with you to this weekend?

0:47:38.760 --> 0:47:38.880
<v Speaker 3>Here?

0:47:39.000 --> 0:47:40.120
<v Speaker 2>Is he actually great?

0:47:40.480 --> 0:47:41.120
<v Speaker 3>With? What?

0:47:41.360 --> 0:47:42.439
<v Speaker 2>Is he here? Here? Here?

0:47:42.760 --> 0:47:45.520
<v Speaker 3>He's here right his literal hand?

0:47:45.560 --> 0:47:47.319
<v Speaker 2>I know, but I know I met him too, But like,

0:47:47.400 --> 0:47:48.840
<v Speaker 2>is he here in the hallway? Does he want to

0:47:48.840 --> 0:47:49.239
<v Speaker 2>say hi?

0:47:49.480 --> 0:47:53.000
<v Speaker 4>He would, yes, you would make sure that I wanted

0:47:53.080 --> 0:47:54.359
<v Speaker 4>him to, Okay, And then.

0:47:54.440 --> 0:47:56.160
<v Speaker 2>Does he know that you want him to? Do you

0:47:56.160 --> 0:47:58.480
<v Speaker 2>want to him in?

0:47:59.320 --> 0:48:03.000
<v Speaker 4>See if he's still he's like making out with some

0:48:03.040 --> 0:48:03.600
<v Speaker 4>girl out there?

0:48:03.880 --> 0:48:07.480
<v Speaker 2>No, do you feel insecure about that stuff? Like do

0:48:07.520 --> 0:48:10.200
<v Speaker 2>you feel a little paranoid that? It's like I.

0:48:10.120 --> 0:48:14.040
<v Speaker 4>Will always be insecure in relationships period. But he's so good.

0:48:14.680 --> 0:48:16.879
<v Speaker 4>All I need to say is give me some reassurance.

0:48:17.000 --> 0:48:20.799
<v Speaker 4>Yeah he's there. Yeah, that's great. And he just does

0:48:21.040 --> 0:48:26.600
<v Speaker 4>understand why I'm insecure with him. But you know it's great.

0:48:26.760 --> 0:48:31.520
<v Speaker 4>He's not he's recognized and you call him famous whatever,

0:48:31.600 --> 0:48:33.480
<v Speaker 4>but from you know, if you've seen that show, you

0:48:33.480 --> 0:48:36.360
<v Speaker 4>would know who he is. And he gets recognized a lot,

0:48:36.600 --> 0:48:37.960
<v Speaker 4>but he's not in Hollywood.

0:48:38.160 --> 0:48:39.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so it's almost like.

0:48:39.200 --> 0:48:41.640
<v Speaker 4>The best of both worlds. Like he's gotten a little

0:48:41.640 --> 0:48:42.200
<v Speaker 4>taste of it.

0:48:42.560 --> 0:48:45.759
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, she is here. Okay, we're having a

0:48:45.800 --> 0:48:49.000
<v Speaker 2>total party here right now. You guys, thank you all of.

0:48:48.920 --> 0:48:51.359
<v Speaker 3>Your This is drama queens after dark, It.

0:48:51.320 --> 0:48:53.080
<v Speaker 2>Really and it is after dark.

0:48:53.880 --> 0:49:03.560
<v Speaker 4>I there we go. Let's start storming, get deep.

0:49:04.360 --> 0:49:05.799
<v Speaker 2>We should have had you in here when we were

0:49:05.840 --> 0:49:08.120
<v Speaker 2>saying all the nice things about you. We were just

0:49:08.360 --> 0:49:09.320
<v Speaker 2>listening to Barbara.

0:49:09.719 --> 0:49:11.840
<v Speaker 4>I told him that when we met, all we have

0:49:12.000 --> 0:49:13.840
<v Speaker 4>is the phone, and so we just had to do

0:49:13.840 --> 0:49:18.600
<v Speaker 4>a lot of phone sex. And then I was kidding,

0:49:18.600 --> 0:49:20.560
<v Speaker 4>and then I was kidding.

0:49:21.320 --> 0:49:25.840
<v Speaker 3>No, that's a fun one to walk into, right Mark.

0:49:26.000 --> 0:49:31.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, ambush, ambush. Oh. We were just talking about how

0:49:31.400 --> 0:49:33.719
<v Speaker 2>it's like, I don't know if you experienced this because

0:49:33.719 --> 0:49:37.680
<v Speaker 2>I haven't done any reality TV, but this instant intimacy

0:49:37.719 --> 0:49:39.520
<v Speaker 2>that as actors we have to, you know, jump in

0:49:39.600 --> 0:49:42.279
<v Speaker 2>immediately and like you say hi and shake somebody's hand

0:49:42.320 --> 0:49:43.880
<v Speaker 2>and then rip your heart open and have to be

0:49:44.000 --> 0:49:46.080
<v Speaker 2>really close, and then you get into this habit that

0:49:46.320 --> 0:49:48.799
<v Speaker 2>then it starts to translate into your real life with

0:49:48.920 --> 0:49:51.720
<v Speaker 2>friends or relationships or whatever, and suddenly you find yourself

0:49:51.800 --> 0:49:55.360
<v Speaker 2>like having tried to skip the the hard part of

0:49:55.480 --> 0:50:00.399
<v Speaker 2>the building process, but actually you're cutting yourself out of

0:50:00.880 --> 0:50:05.080
<v Speaker 2>something that is so foundational and important. Yeah, I don't

0:50:05.120 --> 0:50:07.279
<v Speaker 2>know how. I don't know how. I have no idea

0:50:07.360 --> 0:50:09.919
<v Speaker 2>how what it's like on reality TV if there's some

0:50:10.000 --> 0:50:12.920
<v Speaker 2>sort of you did one season so this You're not

0:50:13.000 --> 0:50:16.880
<v Speaker 2>like a reality TV veteran where you're okay, okay.

0:50:17.080 --> 0:50:19.160
<v Speaker 3>But there must have there must have been a sense

0:50:19.200 --> 0:50:21.880
<v Speaker 3>of pressure though for there to be like sparks and.

0:50:21.920 --> 0:50:25.200
<v Speaker 2>Chemistry intimacy on a bachelor show.

0:50:25.880 --> 0:50:28.760
<v Speaker 3>There's no slow burn all out on a show like that, right.

0:50:28.640 --> 0:50:29.560
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, No, not really.

0:50:30.520 --> 0:50:32.759
<v Speaker 8>I mean, because the whole idea of it, I think

0:50:32.840 --> 0:50:35.280
<v Speaker 8>is to hurry up and create a connection.

0:50:35.520 --> 0:50:42.160
<v Speaker 2>You know, did that feel inauthentic? Did it feel like easy?

0:50:42.360 --> 0:50:43.960
<v Speaker 2>I mean, how did that feel?

0:50:44.320 --> 0:50:48.359
<v Speaker 6>It was very different? I mean that's you know, I'm not.

0:50:48.320 --> 0:50:53.000
<v Speaker 8>A fast kind of person normally, you know, I'm a

0:50:53.040 --> 0:50:54.120
<v Speaker 8>pretty slow.

0:50:55.640 --> 0:50:56.600
<v Speaker 6>Kind of slow person.

0:51:00.040 --> 0:51:03.239
<v Speaker 4>A lot of pauses in between words like that.

0:51:03.719 --> 0:51:06.560
<v Speaker 3>I pause a lot.

0:51:04.800 --> 0:51:09.640
<v Speaker 8>Yet you know that the spinning wheel of death on

0:51:09.719 --> 0:51:12.360
<v Speaker 8>a computer it says I'm thinking, and it was.

0:51:12.960 --> 0:51:14.320
<v Speaker 3>It was like the best Christmas present.

0:51:14.400 --> 0:51:16.680
<v Speaker 4>But the thing is he wasn't attracted to her at all,

0:51:17.560 --> 0:51:19.879
<v Speaker 4>so that made it like that was hard for him

0:51:19.960 --> 0:51:24.960
<v Speaker 4>because he wasn't, you know, the bachelorette. I'm just saying this.

0:51:25.040 --> 0:51:26.120
<v Speaker 4>He wasn't attracted to her.

0:51:26.040 --> 0:51:29.520
<v Speaker 3>At all, so shots fired.

0:51:29.960 --> 0:51:37.880
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean, I'm just guessing, right, he couldn't stand

0:51:39.440 --> 0:51:41.040
<v Speaker 4>waiting for you're right?

0:51:41.360 --> 0:51:46.760
<v Speaker 3>I mean, you're right, well done, Mark, well done a little.

0:51:47.480 --> 0:51:52.720
<v Speaker 3>Was there any sort of like coaxing or like gentle

0:51:52.880 --> 0:51:57.360
<v Speaker 3>encouragement from the production staff on, like, hey, if we

0:51:57.400 --> 0:51:59.279
<v Speaker 3>could find a moment here, like was it? Were they

0:51:59.320 --> 0:52:03.319
<v Speaker 3>ever trying to you're you in a direction? No? I

0:52:03.320 --> 0:52:03.680
<v Speaker 3>think they.

0:52:03.840 --> 0:52:06.239
<v Speaker 8>I mean they need things to kind of grow organically,

0:52:06.640 --> 0:52:14.279
<v Speaker 8>you know, but sometimes organically isn't quick enough. Yeah, yeah,

0:52:14.400 --> 0:52:17.879
<v Speaker 8>you know it is. It's it has to play out.

0:52:19.080 --> 0:52:21.880
<v Speaker 8>But it is a compressed schedule, you know, So I

0:52:21.880 --> 0:52:24.640
<v Speaker 8>don't I don't think they steer it.

0:52:26.560 --> 0:52:29.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's got to be tough for producers because if

0:52:29.320 --> 0:52:32.160
<v Speaker 2>every relationship is forced and then every one of them

0:52:32.200 --> 0:52:36.279
<v Speaker 2>falls apart when the show is over, it's got to

0:52:36.320 --> 0:52:38.080
<v Speaker 2>have a bad track record. So they want they've got

0:52:38.080 --> 0:52:41.120
<v Speaker 2>to want to have some sort of some successful relationships

0:52:41.160 --> 0:52:41.959
<v Speaker 2>come out of the show.

0:52:42.080 --> 0:52:44.880
<v Speaker 3>It said, isn't the track record of those shows horrendous.

0:52:45.000 --> 0:52:47.160
<v Speaker 2>Actually don't know so well oh okay.

0:52:46.960 --> 0:52:49.520
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, well, I mean but it's it's also.

0:52:50.719 --> 0:52:52.680
<v Speaker 8>You know, I think a big part of it, like

0:52:52.800 --> 0:53:01.520
<v Speaker 8>I didn't experience what the younger.

0:52:57.560 --> 0:53:00.400
<v Speaker 4>The younger shows.

0:53:00.800 --> 0:53:03.600
<v Speaker 8>I was lik in this Golden Bachelorette, you know, which

0:53:03.640 --> 0:53:06.680
<v Speaker 8>is I was the youngest person on there.

0:53:06.760 --> 0:53:08.680
<v Speaker 4>You know, Oh wow, okay.

0:53:08.480 --> 0:53:10.120
<v Speaker 6>So you know everybody was.

0:53:12.440 --> 0:53:13.160
<v Speaker 3>We're civilized.

0:53:14.960 --> 0:53:18.640
<v Speaker 8>There was no you know, competitive I mean, there was competitiveness,

0:53:18.680 --> 0:53:21.759
<v Speaker 8>but there wasn't like the drama that you saw on

0:53:22.160 --> 0:53:24.359
<v Speaker 8>you know that appear on the younger shows, because it

0:53:24.400 --> 0:53:25.680
<v Speaker 8>wasn't a big jealousy thing.

0:53:25.719 --> 0:53:29.200
<v Speaker 6>Everyone was comfortable with themselves. You know.

0:53:29.440 --> 0:53:33.880
<v Speaker 3>I recall catch actually a clip from The Golden Bachelor,

0:53:33.960 --> 0:53:37.239
<v Speaker 3>and I was so shocked to see the women being

0:53:37.400 --> 0:53:40.399
<v Speaker 3>kind to each other and like cheering each other up. Yeah.

0:53:40.440 --> 0:53:42.200
<v Speaker 2>See, this is what happens you hit this point in

0:53:42.239 --> 0:53:45.280
<v Speaker 2>your life where you're like, oh, we we're setting examples

0:53:45.280 --> 0:53:47.480
<v Speaker 2>for our daughters, for young women. We want to actually

0:53:47.640 --> 0:53:51.000
<v Speaker 2>to encourage each other. That's nice to know, such a

0:53:51.080 --> 0:53:51.880
<v Speaker 2>nice change.

0:53:51.920 --> 0:53:54.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because it's just it's hard to watch people constantly

0:53:55.080 --> 0:53:57.279
<v Speaker 3>undercutting and being frum me to each other and see

0:53:57.280 --> 0:53:58.759
<v Speaker 3>all of a sudden, they were like, get him, girl,

0:53:58.800 --> 0:54:05.719
<v Speaker 3>getting I was.

0:54:02.239 --> 0:54:05.960
<v Speaker 4>Watch great, Yeah, you would love it. You should watch.

0:54:06.960 --> 0:54:09.279
<v Speaker 4>And these guys were so supportive of each other and

0:54:09.360 --> 0:54:12.080
<v Speaker 4>just they were just like, I mean, they're still all

0:54:12.080 --> 0:54:12.960
<v Speaker 4>in touch with each other.

0:54:13.880 --> 0:54:17.040
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, by far, the best experience I've had in my life.

0:54:17.640 --> 0:54:21.760
<v Speaker 8>Like in my adult life, I have never shared the emotion,

0:54:23.280 --> 0:54:26.040
<v Speaker 8>felt so safe and secure in an environment to talk

0:54:26.040 --> 0:54:26.720
<v Speaker 8>about emotion.

0:54:26.960 --> 0:54:27.640
<v Speaker 6>Like I grew up.

0:54:27.680 --> 0:54:30.800
<v Speaker 8>My adult life has been military like oriented. You know,

0:54:31.239 --> 0:54:38.440
<v Speaker 8>for the military, an emotion wasn't something that was feelings

0:54:38.440 --> 0:54:41.120
<v Speaker 8>and emotion wasn't wasn't talked about. Like there's a time

0:54:41.160 --> 0:54:43.560
<v Speaker 8>and a place, and that wasn't the time or the place.

0:54:44.800 --> 0:54:47.080
<v Speaker 2>To be in a place a camera in your face.

0:54:47.080 --> 0:54:49.319
<v Speaker 8>To be in a place where you could sit down

0:54:49.320 --> 0:54:50.839
<v Speaker 8>and talk with other men that were in the same

0:54:50.840 --> 0:54:53.840
<v Speaker 8>boat as me, you know, got in on different docks,

0:54:53.880 --> 0:54:55.560
<v Speaker 8>is what I like to say. You know, everybody got

0:54:55.680 --> 0:54:58.479
<v Speaker 8>in on a different dock. They were divorced, so they'd

0:54:58.520 --> 0:55:02.359
<v Speaker 8>lost their spouse to you know whatever. But they were

0:55:02.400 --> 0:55:04.680
<v Speaker 8>all single, you know, when we're in the same boat.

0:55:04.840 --> 0:55:08.279
<v Speaker 8>So to be able to talk with them about their

0:55:08.320 --> 0:55:10.120
<v Speaker 8>experiences and you know, how.

0:55:09.960 --> 0:55:12.719
<v Speaker 6>They related with their kids. How they you know, how

0:55:12.760 --> 0:55:15.920
<v Speaker 6>did they date after you know, being older?

0:55:16.160 --> 0:55:20.120
<v Speaker 8>You know, how does that happen? It was incredible, Like

0:55:20.160 --> 0:55:23.239
<v Speaker 8>it was. It was an enriching experience for me.

0:55:23.840 --> 0:55:27.680
<v Speaker 2>Wow, and something amazing came out of it. Astely got

0:55:27.680 --> 0:55:30.960
<v Speaker 2>this message from Barbara and your Instagram. I love it.

0:55:30.960 --> 0:55:33.120
<v Speaker 3>It's like you have don that moment. Oh I'm not

0:55:33.200 --> 0:55:35.319
<v Speaker 3>getting the girl. But then you got your phone back

0:55:35.360 --> 0:55:36.640
<v Speaker 3>and look who slid into.

0:55:37.920 --> 0:55:44.120
<v Speaker 4>And you're like, oh, and by the way, his daughter

0:55:44.360 --> 0:55:47.799
<v Speaker 4>won this. Well, I say one, that's horrible thing to say,

0:55:47.880 --> 0:55:52.799
<v Speaker 4>but was the chosen one. So there so her his

0:55:52.880 --> 0:55:56.839
<v Speaker 4>daughter is engaged to the bachelor of that season, so

0:55:56.880 --> 0:55:59.120
<v Speaker 4>they will eventually get married.

0:56:03.040 --> 0:56:03.200
<v Speaker 6>YEA.

0:56:03.680 --> 0:56:07.080
<v Speaker 2>Life is so weird, I know, like could you ever

0:56:07.160 --> 0:56:10.120
<v Speaker 2>have imagined? And you're never like Kelsey.

0:56:10.320 --> 0:56:13.000
<v Speaker 8>Remember I remember when Kelsey left, you know, when she

0:56:13.280 --> 0:56:16.120
<v Speaker 8>left home to go to filming. She was home the

0:56:16.120 --> 0:56:18.600
<v Speaker 8>weekend before she left, and you know, and I was like,

0:56:18.680 --> 0:56:20.240
<v Speaker 8>you know, Kelsey, you're you're.

0:56:21.120 --> 0:56:24.640
<v Speaker 6>Far braver than I because she went to go do

0:56:24.719 --> 0:56:25.040
<v Speaker 6>this show.

0:56:25.080 --> 0:56:30.080
<v Speaker 3>God was like, right, yeah.

0:56:29.640 --> 0:56:29.960
<v Speaker 4>It was.

0:56:30.719 --> 0:56:31.800
<v Speaker 6>It was pretty incredible.

0:56:34.040 --> 0:56:36.239
<v Speaker 3>Well, I'm so happy for both of you. It's a

0:56:36.280 --> 0:56:38.759
<v Speaker 3>pleasure to finally meet you, because I've been seeing the

0:56:38.800 --> 0:56:41.839
<v Speaker 3>pictures on Instagram and you both look so happy and

0:56:41.880 --> 0:56:46.160
<v Speaker 3>your daughters look so happy. Yeah, you deserve it, Thank you,

0:56:46.160 --> 0:56:48.359
<v Speaker 3>you deserve a wow.

0:56:50.200 --> 0:56:53.799
<v Speaker 2>I'm just asking in the glow. It's fabulous. I wish

0:56:53.800 --> 0:56:56.319
<v Speaker 2>you all could be here to see. Thanks.

0:56:57.080 --> 0:56:58.680
<v Speaker 3>Tune in on YouTube, everybody.

0:56:58.880 --> 0:57:01.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's right, all right?

0:57:01.760 --> 0:57:03.000
<v Speaker 3>How do you want to wrap it up?

0:57:03.040 --> 0:57:06.640
<v Speaker 2>Joy with some tequila? Really?

0:57:07.400 --> 0:57:10.760
<v Speaker 3>I have I have one more question? Rank your daughters?

0:57:14.640 --> 0:57:18.720
<v Speaker 3>All right, maybe we've already done that. Yeah, you.

0:57:20.240 --> 0:57:21.760
<v Speaker 2>Are, You're the best. Thank you.

0:57:21.760 --> 0:57:26.840
<v Speaker 4>You guys are and I enjoy every single episode and

0:57:26.880 --> 0:57:30.720
<v Speaker 4>you guys are just killing it and I'm just like, support,

0:57:30.760 --> 0:57:33.440
<v Speaker 4>support support. Did you see I responded to something that

0:57:33.480 --> 0:57:35.959
<v Speaker 4>you're the funniest guy in the world At some point

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<v Speaker 4>you didn't. I don't think you responded. Guys, just guys

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<v Speaker 4>do not respond to that.

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<v Speaker 3>Must have been like was it a comment on an

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<v Speaker 3>Instagram post?

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<v Speaker 4>I think I no, I think I DMed you, but

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<v Speaker 4>let me check.

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<v Speaker 2>But it was.

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<v Speaker 4>It was quite a compliment, like it was a superlative.

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<v Speaker 4>For sure.

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<v Speaker 3>We have this episode up because I am dying.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, I mean, I'll find it.

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<v Speaker 3>If you did allegedly.

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<v Speaker 8>No, I did.

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<v Speaker 2>I you're so like like I can let a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of things roll off. I know I keep track of,

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<v Speaker 2>but there are certain things security of, like oh, I

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<v Speaker 2>message that person and they did not.

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<v Speaker 4>Message me back.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I'm not mad at that really, but made a

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<v Speaker 2>decision about how I feel about it. I'm just like

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<v Speaker 2>I get pitied in my memory. I'll not forget.

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<v Speaker 4>I will use it at some point.

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<v Speaker 3>Clearly you forgave and did not forget. Yes, no, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not saying no.

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<v Speaker 4>I can promise you I'm going to find it and

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<v Speaker 4>I'll show you.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, So you.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think I even said, oh my god, he's

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<v Speaker 4>so funny, look at this. And I think I showed

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<v Speaker 4>you and I said, I'm going to dmm, and I did.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you a little nerrodivergent too? I don't know the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that you, like you can keep track of all

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<v Speaker 2>we need to Joy, I know we're long overdue. We

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<v Speaker 2>just need we need time.

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<v Speaker 3>I loved anything. Okay, I'm lying.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, I'm lying.

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<v Speaker 3>So she's a wonderful mother, a talented actress. And thanks

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<v Speaker 3>for joining us with Barbarro.

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