1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to Dirty Rush, The Truth about Sororiti Life with 2 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 1: your hosts me Gia, Judice. 3 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:08,480 Speaker 2: Daisy Kent, and Jennifer Fessler. 4 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 3: Hi you guys, So welcome back to another week of 5 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:18,439 Speaker 3: Dirty Rush. I am jen Fessler, and today we have 6 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:21,640 Speaker 3: a couple of producers, a friend of the show. Say 7 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:26,119 Speaker 3: hello to Amy and Lily and Nicky. Amy and Lily 8 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 3: are both producers. Nicki is our friend, and we are 9 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 3: going to talk about lingo. We're going to talk about 10 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 3: it because in the sense of you know, I was 11 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 3: I graduated from University of Texas in nineteen ninety and 12 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 3: Amy and Nicki went through in the nineties and Lily 13 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:45,240 Speaker 3: just graduated. So anyway, the point is that we have 14 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:47,880 Speaker 3: some we're multi generational here. We want to talk about 15 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 3: how lingo has changed over the years, and we you know, 16 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 3: we're I'm just going to like drop drop some expressions 17 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 3: and I want you guys to tell me what you 18 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:00,080 Speaker 3: think that they mean and your take on them. But 19 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 3: how some of the lingo is actually not even acceptable anymore. So, 20 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 3: for instance, I am always amazed. So when I was 21 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 3: going through, I was a Rushie. I went through rush 22 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 3: I was a Rushy. Now and had it took me 23 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 3: a while to figure out what a pn M is. 24 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, so now you can't use any terminology around the 25 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 4: word rush rushy like it needs to be in this 26 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 4: term like recruitment or P and M is like potential 27 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 4: new member everything. 28 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 2: When you say you can't use like, what would happen 29 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:34,759 Speaker 2: to you if you used it? 30 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 4: I mean, so I went to school in La so 31 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 4: pretty like PC and you don't want you don't want, 32 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 4: I think what comes along you get in action? 33 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:47,119 Speaker 2: No, I mean they didn't get a bed. 34 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 5: I'm kidding some people would. 35 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 4: I wouldn't say it was that harsh, but they want 36 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 4: to promote like more inviting language and they don't want 37 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 4: to seem like rush is associated with this idea of 38 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 4: hazing in hazes sing like any kind of I mean, 39 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 4: it's serious, any kind of inkling that there is any 40 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:08,079 Speaker 4: kind of hazing going on in a sorority. You are 41 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 4: immediately reported and you're immediately put on like social probation, 42 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 4: and it really doesn't happen anymore. 43 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 5: But even so much as and. 44 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 4: This is getting on a tangent, but even so much 45 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 4: as there being a freshman versus a senior bust to 46 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 4: the football game, it's considered hazing. It's considered like discriminating 47 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 4: based on grade when that's considered hazing. 48 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: But wouldn't pledge be the word that would suggest more hazing? 49 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 5: Yes? 50 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:42,640 Speaker 4: But I think this, Yeah rush rush is it's you 51 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 4: use recruitment and you use potential new member, not yeah rushy. 52 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 6: What does rush mean? I wonder where rush originates from. 53 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 2: You're just rushing around to every house. 54 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 6: That's what everybody. I mean. 55 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:55,519 Speaker 2: I don't know, right, but that's our generation. So let's 56 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 2: stick into this a little bit more, guys. Okay, So, 57 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 2: first of all, when we through in the eighties and nineties, 58 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 2: it was rush. It was an active you were a 59 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 2: rush e all these things. So then, Lily, again, can 60 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:11,239 Speaker 2: you say the words that are used now. 61 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 4: Now it's potential new member and recruitment. 62 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 2: What would you call somebody that's an active We would 63 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:20,359 Speaker 2: say active active. 64 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, you're still allowed to say that because you're an 65 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 4: active member, active member. 66 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 2: Right, And going back to the hazing, it's all about hazing. 67 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 2: Could you not do a party that was only juniors 68 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 2: and seniors? 69 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 4: No, you could not do like we would want to 70 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 4: have sisterhoods where it was just like freshman bonding and 71 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 4: that was not a thing you could not do. 72 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, that was considered hazy. 73 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 2: Really they do it in Texas where my kids go 74 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 2: to school. 75 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, Rachel, when I know that they were buses 76 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 3: separated and you're not allowed to do that, like. 77 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 4: You could say if it was really dicey, like if 78 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 4: as a senior you could say. 79 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 5: Freshmen in the back of the line. 80 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 4: Because at UCLA are it was a big deal because 81 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 4: UCLA our football stadium is in Pasadena where UCLA is 82 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 4: in Westwood, so it's like an hour drive to get 83 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 4: to our football stadium. And we would charter all these 84 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 4: buses through your sorority. And of course seniors want to 85 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 4: be on the first bus, the first to the game, 86 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 4: first to the tailgate, and they'd be like, freshmen, get 87 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:18,719 Speaker 4: to the back of the line, get to the back 88 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 4: of the bus. If you are caught saying that, you 89 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 4: will be it's a big deal, like immediately to standards. 90 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 4: Even worse because it's considered discriminating and hazing against younger members. 91 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 2: Well, at least it's still called standards. That's what we used. 92 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:36,720 Speaker 2: I was on the standards committee. 93 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:39,719 Speaker 5: Ours was called NDC Membership Development. 94 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 2: Committee, too many letters to remember. 95 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 3: No. 96 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:45,039 Speaker 2: Wait, so it's not called standards. No, but you just 97 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:47,280 Speaker 2: called it standards. Yeah, you called it standards. But give 98 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:49,279 Speaker 2: us again what the technical name. 99 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 4: Was MDC Membership Development Committee Disciplinary. 100 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 3: Sorry, that's weird because I think I don't know. I 101 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:00,280 Speaker 3: didn't know that it was called anything but standard yards. 102 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:00,600 Speaker 6: Really. 103 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:04,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's not disciplinary, it's development because it's all 104 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 4: about developing the members. 105 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:11,279 Speaker 2: Are you allowed to have an event that is just pledges? 106 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 5: No? You could not. That is hazing. 107 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:18,919 Speaker 2: Well, it's almost in my opinion. 108 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 1: You're like, the whole point of being in a pledge 109 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 1: class is to bond, like these are. 110 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 2: Your sisters or your brothers. 111 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 1: If you're in a fraternity, and so all of a 112 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:32,599 Speaker 1: sudden to then remove that. 113 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 2: It almost defeats the purpose in my opinion. 114 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I will tell you because I have boys 115 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: that fun fact go to Texas that they do plenty 116 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: of things with their pledge class, whether it's mixers with 117 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: other freshmen sororities or different. 118 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 2: Things like that. So I wonder if it's just an 119 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:55,840 Speaker 2: UCLA thing. And yeah, because I think a lot of 120 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 2: schools are still doing pledge whatever the name is now 121 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 2: New Me whatever, it is events and how do you 122 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 2: do big little But we'll get to that. 123 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:07,280 Speaker 3: So Jen, contain, you know, I was just thinking about 124 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 3: because we're just talking about the hazing, and I mean 125 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 3: back in the day when I was, you know, pledging, 126 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:17,039 Speaker 3: we had I don't know what would be if it 127 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:19,159 Speaker 3: wouldn't be allowed today, but there were things that happened. 128 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 3: There was greased pigs that were you know, let go 129 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:24,600 Speaker 3: in the sorority house and things we had aware and. 130 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:26,480 Speaker 2: Wait, wait, wait, wait wait, we're going to need to 131 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 2: explain greased pigs. 132 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:31,119 Speaker 6: Very Texas, very Texas, very very very Texas. 133 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 2: What does that mean an actual pig? 134 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 6: Yes, the well, yes, it was just part of it. 135 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 3: Like you had a there would be a grease pig 136 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 3: and you have a force to like try to catch 137 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 3: the pig. 138 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 6: And I don't remember exactly. 139 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 3: I think I probably blocked it, but I mean there 140 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:48,039 Speaker 3: were just a lot of things that were Nothing that 141 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:51,239 Speaker 3: was physically harmful, there was, but there was definitely stuff 142 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 3: that we had to wear, people that we could or 143 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 3: couldn't talk to. 144 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 5: Wait. 145 00:06:56,080 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 4: Jen, you're saying that as a pledge, you were you 146 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 4: like this was kind of part of your initiation. You're 147 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:05,360 Speaker 4: responsible for catching this grease pig. 148 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 3: No please, no, no, no, no, okay, don't all I 149 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 3: know it was it was a method of torture. 150 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 1: But there was clearinally some alcohol because you can't remember 151 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 1: what she was doing exactly. 152 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 2: So I'm sorry, there's an actual I just have to 153 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 2: understand this for people listening. There was a pig, like 154 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 2: a pig with crisco or something all over it, greasy, 155 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 2: running through your sorority house. 156 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 6: Scare everyone. 157 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 2: Well, Amy, we didn't do anything like that. Ours was 158 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 2: like we had a sneak. We had a sneak, remember 159 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 2: the Pledge sneak. And I think the job in the 160 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 2: sneak was for us to like kidnap actives and like 161 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 2: take them somewhere. And I do remember as a pledge 162 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 2: people loading up in the back of a U haul, 163 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 2: which I was like, no, no. But there were things. 164 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 6: Well, I mean we had we had things that was worse. 165 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 6: They were worse. 166 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 3: There was there was like at one point you went 167 00:07:56,840 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 3: down and to some dark room and you were we 168 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 3: were lined up and we were all gonna have to 169 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 3: get on a scale and be lined up according to 170 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 3: our weight. We didn't do this, actually did It was 171 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 3: like a tactic but I mean, this is the stuff. 172 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 5: Imagine that's terrible. 173 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 2: I know, imagine that they didn't actually do it. I 174 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 2: thought they just scared you that they Yeah, it. 175 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 6: Was a scare tactic. 176 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 3: But I mean there was stuff like now you can't 177 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 3: even go to sounds like you can't even say only 178 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 3: freshmen on the bus. 179 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 6: Like they a line. 180 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, because I think there's been so many hazing 181 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 4: things and it's more frat oriented, but the sororities are 182 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 4: always more regulated. And I yeah, I mean all this 183 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 4: stuff you're saying. I also went to school in California, 184 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 4: so it's different in that way too, But I mean 185 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 4: grease pig and laning and lining up on weight. 186 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 2: But was that Texas or was that Boston? 187 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 5: Oh? 188 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 6: I wasn't a sorority until I got to Texas. 189 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 1: Okay, so West Tech well, but it sounds like Texas 190 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: back then was almost more agro. But I can tell 191 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 1: you now, like, unless my kids are just not telling 192 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 1: me anything, it seems pretty tame. 193 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 2: They're probably laughing right now, thinking I'm an idiot. And 194 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 2: even in the nineties at Berkeley, very tame. We I 195 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 2: don't recall one incident of really hate. 196 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 3: You had to clean up after the upper classmen clean 197 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 3: up any of that. 198 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 2: No, no way, So what you did, But explain to us, Jen, 199 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 2: what you're talking about. So you had to like clean 200 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 2: their rooms, make their beds. 201 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 6: What after parties? 202 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 3: We would have to go in and clean up and 203 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 3: go clean the sorority house after whatever, or after mixers 204 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:30,719 Speaker 3: or matches or none of that. 205 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 5: That is something that's completely like still around for sure 206 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 5: for guys. For pledges. I mean they do terrible things 207 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:37,199 Speaker 5: to guys. 208 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 4: I know that for one of the frats on campus, 209 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 4: they made them they wouldn't let them eat anything but 210 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 4: what they called were butter dogs for a week. They 211 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 4: didn't let them have access to their phones. They could 212 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 4: only go to class, but couldn't get any food from 213 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 4: on campus. 214 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 2: What are butter dogs? 215 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 4: Butter dogs is like instead of meating the hot dog, 216 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 4: there's a stick of butter ew yes. And they had 217 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 4: to sleep on the floor every night for a week. 218 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 4: And that was like their pledge week. 219 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 2: We're gonna do an episode soon just all about pledging. 220 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 2: But I can only speak to my experience. Does a 221 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 2: pledge was it was heaven on earth, like you were 222 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 2: just given gifts. I think I was braiding her hair. 223 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, like you're just given gifts and you're 224 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 2: you know, taken care of, like you're the queen of 225 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 2: the world. So and we weren't allowed to have parties 226 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 2: except you're like you could have parent parties, like your 227 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 2: parents come to visit for you know, pledge Day or whatever. 228 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 2: I don't know. So anyway, Jen keep going through. This 229 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 2: is interesting comparing then and now. 230 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 1: But I also think it's school to school, Like I 231 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: don't even think it's that, and now I just think 232 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 1: it's different. 233 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 3: And again, guys, I may not be remembering. I just 234 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:49,680 Speaker 3: remember it was like it wasn't like what you're describing. 235 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 3: The one was like giving us gifts and it wasn't like, 236 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 3: you know, we weren't being mothered. It was more like, 237 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:58,559 Speaker 3: you know, we were the lowly pledge class. But and 238 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 3: you know, I'm just thinking about like back to like 239 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 3: the lingo, how much things have really changed like back 240 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 3: in the day. I don't there's so much of the lingo, 241 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 3: you guys that I don't. I don't understand why it 242 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 3: had changed. So one of the most things, one of 243 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 3: the ones that's the most curious for me is why 244 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:15,680 Speaker 3: do you go from big sister, little sister to big 245 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 3: and little. 246 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 6: Did anyone explain that's a great question. It's so annoying. 247 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 4: I think it's just like it's more just how we 248 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 4: shorten every our generation shortans everything with texting and whatever. 249 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 5: You're like, my big, my little. 250 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 2: It's kind of you're big considered your is her technical name, 251 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 2: your big sister, and you guys just call it big 252 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 2: or do you not use the words? 253 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 4: You never say big sister. You say she's my big 254 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 4: and then you say my grand big. You don't see 255 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 4: make Graham big sister like my g big and then 256 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 4: you go my gg big. 257 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 3: I can't that kind of I'm like, really, how lazy 258 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 3: can we be? 259 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 6: We can't even say the word sister. I can't. 260 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 3: And like even my friends when my friends are talking 261 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 3: about their kids and they'll be like, oh, Janie's out 262 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 3: with her big and I'm like, honey, you're big what okay, 263 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 3: stop it, just say it a big sister from college. 264 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 6: I can't take it. 265 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 2: Is the sisterhood of it all, for literally still sort 266 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 2: of a big deal because I think in the you know, 267 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 2: older girls here are era, it is about the sisterhood 268 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 2: and all the things that come with that, do they 269 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:36,479 Speaker 2: still play. 270 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 5: That up sisterhood? 271 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 4: I just think it's kind of cringey sister like saying 272 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:44,959 Speaker 4: my sister my sisterhood, like she's my no one. It's 273 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 4: like she's my sorority sister. No one really says that. 274 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 4: But like there's certainly still the alliance that you have 275 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 4: with other with your sorority sisters, like only having friend 276 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 4: groups with that, you know, the clickiness, the only having 277 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 4: friend groups are only friends within a certain sorority. That's 278 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 4: all still relevant and like the loyalty to that is 279 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:07,680 Speaker 4: still there. But the whole idea of sisterhood and my 280 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 4: sister is just kind of like that's. 281 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 2: Interesting because if I was going to introduce Nicky to Jen, 282 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 2: I would say, oh, this is my sorority sister, Nikki. 283 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 2: So you guys don't say that anymore. 284 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 5: And say we were in the same sorority in college. 285 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 2: I would say we were in the same sorority in college. 286 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 6: Well, Amy, you're clearly just not as cool as the 287 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:24,199 Speaker 6: rest of. 288 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 2: Us, Amy, you're so old fashioned. 289 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 6: Old fashion. What about So we said, like, what about 290 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 6: pledge trainer? Well do you use that still? 291 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 2: Great question? Yes, we were all about the pledge trainer. 292 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 2: Angie was my pledge trainer. 293 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 6: Do you know what that is? 294 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 5: This is the first time I've ever heard that. 295 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:46,680 Speaker 2: Somebody you think of somebody disliked. Yes, that sounds like. 296 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 5: A made up thing. Is that really a thing? 297 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 2: So the pledge trainer? Yeah, so that was an actual office. 298 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 2: It is for the boys still today. And do they 299 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:56,320 Speaker 2: call it that pledge trainer? 300 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 5: I have to think about this. 301 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 4: It's another elongated it's like new member director or something. 302 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 2: Oh my god, so our pledge trainer, yeah, new member director. 303 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 1: Yeah. 304 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:11,680 Speaker 2: Angie was our pledge trainer my year, and she was 305 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 2: like in charge of the pledges, so she would like 306 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 2: I think it was Angie. I feel like Molly maybe, 307 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 2: I don't even remember who mine is. And they kind 308 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 2: of like they're in charge of you, so they would 309 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 2: like help you know what you're doing, and like like 310 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 2: if you were in a meeting, I can kind of 311 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 2: picture a sing in a circle and this pledge trainer 312 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 2: is sort of running the meeting and teaching you things. 313 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 2: And I think there was a binder. I feel like 314 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 2: there was a binder of things we had to memorize 315 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 2: of Kappa stuff, sort. 316 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 1: Of all the violet, all the different facts. We took 317 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 1: a test. Lily, what sorority were you? 318 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 2: Can you sign in theta? Okay day? I love this. 319 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 6: I love the comparison. Like just I like watching Lily's face. 320 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 2: You didn't have a binder full of facts you had 321 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 2: to memorize, like you know, we were. We began in 322 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 2: mon Myth wherever Meth, Illinois, with flirtles everywhere. 323 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 4: To be honest, it would have been helpful because we 324 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 4: were expected to know like the Evening Grace and all 325 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 4: these songs, and our sorority on campus was the most, 326 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 4: like the most involved in terms of all the songs 327 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 4: and rituals and our things. Like I talk to other 328 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 4: girls and be like what you sing songs A New 329 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 4: Chance and whatever. But like we were just expected to 330 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 4: know it. And people would be like standing around still 331 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 4: munths in and like mumbling the words of the Evening 332 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 4: Grace because no one knew what I was. 333 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 2: So when you say grace, was it very religious? You're 334 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 2: a sorority? No? 335 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 4: No, no, yet That's what's interesting is there there were 336 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 4: times where I would look at it was like kind 337 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 4: of God oriented, or maybe it was like where they 338 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 4: could scratched out something where it was saying God or 339 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 4: but and then changed the wording. But it was it 340 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 4: was just used as the word grace. But no, it 341 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:51,359 Speaker 4: wasn't religious. 342 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 2: It wasn't. It got more old timey, like not religious, 343 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 2: but like the language was real old timey, right did 344 00:15:57,360 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 2: you do all? And Nikki you can answer this too. 345 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 2: Wear your letters, like would you wear a sweatshirt that 346 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 2: said FDA or would you wear a sweatshirt that said 347 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 2: KKG in your era? Because that was a hard no 348 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 2: go for us in the ninety day. I don't even 349 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 2: know if I had a Kappa sweatshirt. No, I didn't do. 350 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 2: They make them. They totally make them, and it's like 351 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 2: a huge thing. But at cal that would have been 352 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 2: considered a bit embarrassing, Like you would never wear your 353 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 2: in our era, I don't know about now. 354 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 4: Wait, you guys would never wear merch with there are 355 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 4: our whole businesses back. 356 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 6: In the day. I was at Texas, I had all. 357 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 6: I had so much A five stuff. 358 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 2: Well, you know at Texas. 359 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 1: So I have friends that like sm with kids at 360 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 1: SMU and TCU And on the first day of school, 361 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 1: at that point, rush is done and they wear their 362 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 1: letters to the first day of class, which is like 363 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 1: a gut wrench for the people who didn't get a bid, 364 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 1: You almost don't want to go to school because they're 365 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 1: like wearing that stuff proudly. 366 00:16:58,360 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 5: Yeah. 367 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 4: Well, I mean it's a whole like we have merch orders. 368 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:06,919 Speaker 4: There's a whole merch chair about what clothes and t 369 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:09,920 Speaker 4: shirts and stuff and all has your letters on it. 370 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:12,199 Speaker 2: The only thing we would do is maybe wear a 371 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 2: shirt that was like a party shirt. So like somebody 372 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:17,880 Speaker 2: might create a shirt that was like Kapa Sae party, 373 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 2: But no way would you wear a sweatshirt that said 374 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:23,160 Speaker 2: KKG and that. This is in the nineties, so I don't. 375 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:26,360 Speaker 5: Know, you know, oh, I feel like that's so cute. Jen. 376 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:28,879 Speaker 4: The one thing I'll say with this is that the 377 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:32,120 Speaker 4: run rule is that you cannot drink in your letters. 378 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:36,200 Speaker 4: That's a total nogo. You can't drink in your life. 379 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 2: So if you're going to the bars, you can't wear 380 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 2: your sweatshirt. 381 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:40,879 Speaker 4: Right, or if you're going to a football game and 382 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 4: you have a you know, k. 383 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 6: The difference now with you, Lily and us is that 384 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 6: you have social media. You could get caught doing these. 385 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 4: Things exactly, and so it's like if you had a 386 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 4: picture a whole different thing. 387 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 3: Sure, I mean I don't remember that being a rule, 388 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 3: but it's a total different game now. 389 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:58,120 Speaker 2: I don't remember that rule. 390 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 1: I remember being on a bus to a formal I 391 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 1: don't know if you were all on this bus, maybe 392 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:05,479 Speaker 1: you weren't there yet, and one of the girls was 393 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:08,159 Speaker 1: so plastered that she stood up in the middle of 394 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 1: the bus and the bus is moving and she fell 395 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 1: forward and vomited everywhere. Seems familiar now if somebody had 396 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 1: a camera or something or a social media can you 397 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:19,640 Speaker 1: imagine if you had like a vendetta against that girl. 398 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:22,919 Speaker 2: That I have an extremely embarrassing thing. I will admit, 399 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 2: and then you guys can weigh in. So dating even now, 400 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 2: this is like I'm embarrassed to admit this. There's something 401 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:35,640 Speaker 2: about like, if I'm dating someone that was in a fraternity, 402 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 2: I think. 403 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:37,120 Speaker 5: I know what you're gonna say. 404 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:38,879 Speaker 2: I kind of need it to be a good one. 405 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 2: I think I would be like, no, I donate that. 406 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:42,879 Speaker 1: Yeah. 407 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:44,359 Speaker 2: I think if it was somebody was like, yeah, I 408 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 2: went to cal I was a cap a sig. I 409 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 2: mentioned I'm making it up, I'd be like, oh. 410 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:54,119 Speaker 1: Realally, people can reinvent in life, like Amy, I peaked 411 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: in high school. 412 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:58,439 Speaker 2: Come on, like it's been a downhill spiral. None of 413 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 2: you guys have that. That you meet someone and they're 414 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:02,640 Speaker 2: like I was an, say my face is bright red, 415 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 2: and you're kind of like, oh, it takes them up 416 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 2: ten notches. 417 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 5: I'm not gonna lie, I agree with you. 418 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 3: Thank you. I actually think that the opposite sometimes, like 419 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:15,199 Speaker 3: with my daughter when she finds out my daughter was 420 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:17,439 Speaker 3: in whatever puke when I say it, but she was 421 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 3: in the top the top tiers or whatever it is. 422 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 3: But when she hears about guys that were in also 423 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 3: like she's almost turned off, Like she pictures like, oh god, 424 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 3: it's going to be a frat bro. 425 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 6: Like she's just not meant Okay. 426 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 4: Here's the thing that I'm gonna say, though, Amy that 427 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 4: I agree with you, and I'm like this is gonna 428 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 4: sound really bad, but like we went to really nerdy schools, 429 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 4: Like there's a lot of weirdos and even more weirdos 430 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:52,199 Speaker 4: weird guys I would say at cal or UCLA, Like 431 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 4: I don't know, maybe I'm wrong, but Jen, I just 432 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 4: picture like they're being a lot cooler people ut and 433 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:02,200 Speaker 4: there's more like raw and I don't know, would. 434 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 2: You ever ask someone if you were dating them their 435 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 2: fraternity or would that never come up? 436 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 3: I do? 437 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, people if we're talking about it, I mean, 438 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:13,639 Speaker 2: I asked you guys. 439 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:16,639 Speaker 4: But I'm just saying, like I'm saying a part of 440 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 4: it a guy, yes, because I just know, like the 441 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:23,919 Speaker 4: chances of them maybe not being super social or being 442 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 4: are just very high if they weren't in a few 443 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 4: just because there were so few I think social guys. 444 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 2: I'm just being vulnerable and admitting it. I think I 445 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 2: would maybe judge somebody. 446 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 3: No, I mean I think it's listen, we all judge. 447 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 3: Doesn't matter whatever, it's always it's always something, right. I 448 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 3: don't know if that would be the thing. And also 449 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:48,879 Speaker 3: I think because maybe because I, for whatever reason, I 450 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:53,200 Speaker 3: have like a real aversion to a certain maybe because 451 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 3: of my daughter to like a frat bro type or 452 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,119 Speaker 3: like a finance grow living in New York City, and 453 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 3: it's this, it's she describes it to me. It's like 454 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:03,440 Speaker 3: the boy that just still thinks that he's in a frat. 455 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 1: Oh. 456 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 3: Interesting, he's a cliche, right, He's just he's just still 457 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 3: all he wants to do is like party with the 458 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:14,160 Speaker 3: bros and do all the frat crap and for her 459 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 3: that's becoming like a turnoff right like they were adulting 460 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 3: out of that Now, doesn't mean that she wouldn't she 461 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:21,160 Speaker 3: wouldn't judge. 462 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:21,400 Speaker 6: I guess. 463 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:23,159 Speaker 3: So she heard that he was in a frat that 464 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 3: had a certain reputation, maybe she would judge. 465 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 2: But I don't know. 466 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 3: I mean, listen, we all judge all the time. Unfortunately, 467 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 3: that's what humans do. 468 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:32,920 Speaker 1: But Amy, if somebody didn't get in a fraternity, would 469 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 1: you judge that person too? So forget being a bad fratunity, 470 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:38,120 Speaker 1: what about somebody who went through rush and just didn't 471 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 1: get a house or Amy? 472 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 2: Actually, don't ask. Let's not answer that question. I mean 473 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:46,119 Speaker 2: I think so like I think, I'm sorry, I'm telling 474 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:50,479 Speaker 2: the truth. It's anonymous. I'm saying as a person that 475 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:52,639 Speaker 2: was in a sorority and in the Greek system, and 476 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 2: you can judge me. I get it, like be mad 477 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:57,640 Speaker 2: about it and think I'm a big dor but like, yeah, 478 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 2: there might be something, especially if you're from the school 479 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:04,719 Speaker 2: I went to. Maybe I wouldn't judge you if you weren't, 480 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,640 Speaker 2: but it definitely takes you up five notches if you were. 481 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 2: Maybe I'll say that, But are you stuck in your 482 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 2: college experience, then of course for sure. 483 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 4: Well I'm going to piggyback off of Amy, Like I 484 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 4: think I would go as far as if they went 485 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:20,199 Speaker 4: to a different school and I saw that they were 486 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 4: in a frat, I would look up on Greek rank 487 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 4: and see what what's Greek? 488 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 2: Greek? 489 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 3: Oh my god, Greek rank is for well, I'm sorry, Lily, 490 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:30,920 Speaker 3: because I'm just what I know of it. It's literally 491 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:34,719 Speaker 3: this this site or whatever where that they get ranked 492 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,879 Speaker 3: all the Greek so the houses get ranked, and this 493 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 3: one is for smart boys, this one's for the pretty girls, 494 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 3: this one's right, is that ryes well? 495 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 5: And it's it's like this is everything. Yes, every school, 496 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 5: it'll say, this is what's the top sorority in top fraternity? 497 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:50,399 Speaker 5: Right now? 498 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:53,120 Speaker 2: Wait, can you Greek rank our sororities? 499 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, I could look it right up. It'll tell 500 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 6: you all. 501 00:22:57,560 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 5: I'll tell you right now. 502 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:01,439 Speaker 6: But a Greek or something? 503 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:03,880 Speaker 2: What is Kappa at cal? 504 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:05,680 Speaker 5: Let's look, let's just do it. 505 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,400 Speaker 2: I think it's from what I'm told, it's still good. 506 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 1: But I think to Lily's point, like I think Berkeley 507 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 1: and UCLA is I get it like a bunch of right. 508 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 2: I mean, we have to be very smart to go there, 509 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 2: but you get. 510 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 5: A lot of kind of weirdos. 511 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 4: So I think, like I would ask, why weren't you 512 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,679 Speaker 4: in a you know, because I know that those guys 513 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 4: I get it in other schools where they're more fratty 514 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 4: than those like top top frats quote, but I think 515 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 4: at different schools, like at UCLA, it was kind of 516 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 4: like if you weren't in a top frat, you were 517 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 4: kind of weird. 518 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:42,879 Speaker 3: You know, when you're in college, you're like, oh, I 519 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:44,719 Speaker 3: went to high school with him, he was such a kee. 520 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 2: Hometown pro, hometown con that was some of our lingo. 521 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 2: Nikki explained what hometown pro is, hometown con is. 522 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:55,359 Speaker 1: Okay, so and again you'll know this more Lily, But 523 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 1: it's my understanding that today the only people that can 524 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 1: quote vote on a potential pledgey is somebody that you 525 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 1: actually had talked to and had contact with, whereas with 526 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 1: us back in the day, we would gather at night 527 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:14,119 Speaker 1: and we would all sit at these tables for hours 528 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 1: and a name would be brought up, and if you 529 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 1: had something to say, you know, good or unsavory, you 530 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 1: would get up and you would be like, hometown con 531 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:31,119 Speaker 1: she slept with my best friend's boyfriend. And then you know, 532 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 1: and then your little friends, your click of friends would 533 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 1: like support you, and all of a sudden that person 534 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 1: was kind of had a tough time depending on where 535 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 1: your standing was in the sorority. Right. Similarly, if there 536 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:49,400 Speaker 1: was somebody that was really important you know to you 537 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:53,440 Speaker 1: that you wanted a sorority and maybe tanked. I mean, 538 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,439 Speaker 1: one of my best friends, quite frankly, was horrible in 539 00:24:56,560 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 1: rush and Amy, you weren't there yet, and I sat 540 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 1: up and this was like really important to me, And 541 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,200 Speaker 1: I stood up and I was like I would brush 542 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:08,439 Speaker 1: my teeth next to her. That was like the line 543 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,360 Speaker 1: that you wouldn't use. It was like best and final on. 544 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 2: A real estate deal. 545 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 1: And then your friends if you were quote popular and 546 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:20,439 Speaker 1: the sorority would like vote for you to support your. 547 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 2: Friend getting in. And I don't think it's that way anymore, 548 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,879 Speaker 2: is it? Back in our day? What I'll say is, 549 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 2: if you had enough juice, one person was very popular, 550 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,879 Speaker 2: well liked in the sorority, they would have enough juice 551 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 2: to get somebody into the sorority or kill literally or 552 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 2: kill out. Can you remember it all, Nikki? When your 553 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:48,359 Speaker 2: sister was going through rush, Like were you nervous? Like, 554 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:49,880 Speaker 2: oh God, now I have to go into this meeting 555 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:51,200 Speaker 2: and they're going to talk about my sister. 556 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:55,879 Speaker 1: I wasn't nervous her year because legacy mattered. It was 557 00:25:55,920 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 1: the year before you and I had three friends going 558 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:04,119 Speaker 1: through it. One who was one of my best friends 559 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 1: and we rushed freshman year and she didn't get a house. 560 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 2: Two was my other best friend who was like dead 561 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:11,360 Speaker 2: as a doorknob. 562 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 1: I mean I was like walking by her and I'd 563 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: be like talk talk talk, you know. And then my 564 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 1: other friend was the sister of somebody who had graduated, 565 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 1: and you know, that didn't happen, and. 566 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 2: So it was a rough Did you get all three in? 567 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 2: I did not? Did you get wan? And I got too? 568 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,640 Speaker 1: And it was a very and I was a sophomore, right, 569 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 1: so I was kind of nothing. 570 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:37,439 Speaker 2: It was a very rough rush for me. 571 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 1: When you guys came along, I didn't know I had 572 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 1: met you and said be best friends with my sister. 573 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:46,119 Speaker 2: But it was Lisa, and she was it was going 574 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:49,639 Speaker 2: to be no issue because legacy then it didn't matter, right, 575 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:50,879 Speaker 2: And I was a legacy also. 576 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 1: I will tell you at Texas. You know, legacy and 577 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 1: all that. At least in the fraternity, it still exists. 578 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:02,399 Speaker 1: It's my understand with the sororities that it does not. 579 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:06,440 Speaker 5: No, but hometown votes still are a big deal. 580 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 2: So so, Lily, that's an interesting question that Nikki brings up. So, 581 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 2: say there was a girl that you knew, how would 582 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:17,400 Speaker 2: you convey that to your sisters, sorry to say sisters, 583 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,639 Speaker 2: how would you convey that? Like, hey, you got to 584 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 2: get this girl in. Yeah, you're not. 585 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 4: Having meetings, okay, well you do like work week prior 586 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 4: the week prior to rush recruitment. You basically we would 587 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,680 Speaker 4: have a Now I'm really not supposed. 588 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 2: To say this, but that's okay. Let it know. 589 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:44,160 Speaker 4: You would have a presentation of all of the girls 590 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 4: that you were you were looking out for that you 591 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,640 Speaker 4: may like, even remotely new, Like this girl's super cute, 592 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:50,440 Speaker 4: she likes to do this. 593 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:51,880 Speaker 5: Here's some fun facts about her. 594 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 2: Do you show their social media? 595 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, you show a picture of them, like the best 596 00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:58,199 Speaker 4: picture of them, and you put them in there and 597 00:27:58,240 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 4: you say you did not. 598 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,639 Speaker 6: Also go back and we had to submit pictures and that. 599 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 1: Would them well with letters, we had wreck letters. 600 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 2: I had a flashback of Lily won't even know what 601 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,639 Speaker 2: this is, that old timey thing. It was like a 602 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:28,679 Speaker 2: big box and it had a light on it and 603 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,200 Speaker 2: you would have to put the thing and the piece 604 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,160 Speaker 2: of paper on the light thing and somehow the light 605 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,919 Speaker 2: would then flash it to a screen like it was 606 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 2: eighteen hundreds. We had a pay phone. That's what we did. 607 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 7: I mean there was no Also, did did you guys 608 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 7: have like during skits like we so fies would put 609 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 7: all the girls that were really wanted, like in the 610 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 7: first couple of rows. 611 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,720 Speaker 2: No, but you mentioned that, I think in an earlier episode, 612 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 2: and that was interesting. I don't think we were clever 613 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:00,719 Speaker 2: enough to figure out how to get the the girls 614 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 2: you want the most into the front row. But we 615 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 2: knew we had a hit list. We did have a 616 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 2: hit We did have that. Yeah, yeah, And you would 617 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 2: also send a floater. Hey, Like if some like you know, 618 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 2: top notch Active was a floater, you'd be like, get 619 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 2: over there to so and so and get them in. 620 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 1: But you had matched like your best sorry Lily Active 621 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 1: with the best rushie to make it. 622 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,239 Speaker 2: It was like a signing meeting. That's really what it was. 623 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 4: Totally that all of that strategy is still very much 624 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 4: roud and you can even like we would have a 625 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 4: voting scale if you knew someone from home and you 626 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 4: were like, you really want it had to be one 627 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 4: way or the other. You had to be really strong 628 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 4: vote them, and it was called a hometown vote, and 629 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 4: you could only vote people zero or four. Zero would 630 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 4: mean she slept with my sister's boyfriend and whatever, she 631 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 4: cannot step foot in here, and you would probably try 632 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 4: to rally some of your friends and say unied hometown 633 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 4: voter to and give her a zero or because all 634 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 4: numbers about your score and about people who talked to 635 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 4: or you could be like, I love her so much, 636 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 4: as Amy said, I would brush my teeth next to her. 637 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 6: What about did you guys get pro con pro thing? 638 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 4: Then you just go into normal recruitment and you're talking 639 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 4: them and everyone gives scores. You don't have this thing 640 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,000 Speaker 4: at the end of the day where everyone's like raising 641 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 4: their hand and rallying for one. 642 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,480 Speaker 2: Which is so interesting because the meeting was really more 643 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 2: important essentially than like the score, because you could really 644 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 2: get someone's score. They could have a low score and 645 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 2: you could get them up high. So pro con pro 646 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 2: for people listening. There was a method to the madness, 647 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 2: like they didn't want you just having these meetings where 648 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:42,600 Speaker 2: you were like, I don't like her. 649 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 1: But Amy, we could vote on everybody. But literally, isn't 650 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 1: it true? The only people who can vote is somebody 651 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 1: who actually had direct conversation or interaction with the with 652 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 1: the I'm sorry whatever, what do. 653 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 2: You call the membership potential pms. 654 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 4: It had a pan and m yes, yes, I yes, 655 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,840 Speaker 4: But I think there are some things that happen under 656 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 4: the table that you do to try to get Like 657 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 4: if you're because everyone wants the best girls, and so 658 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 4: if I know someone from home and I'm like, we 659 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 4: need to get her in here, and God forbid, something 660 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 4: were to happen where she were in which happens all 661 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 4: the time, where she got dropped or whatever, I would try. 662 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 4: I would give her a hometown vote. I'm the only 663 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 4: person like who can do that. But then maybe I 664 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 4: would try to give my friends like say you know 665 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:34,479 Speaker 4: her from home too, you give her a four from 666 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 4: a hometown vote, or you go out and talk to her. 667 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 2: So pro con pro So everybody listening, that's like, what's 668 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:41,720 Speaker 2: pro con pro? Well, you have to I mean it's 669 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 2: the word. We understand the definition of it, right, Yeah, 670 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 2: But I think people listening don't necessarily understand that. In 671 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 2: this meeting, they would go what do you think of NICKI? 672 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,240 Speaker 2: And they might show your photo, and then one girl 673 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 2: could stand up from the room in this big dining 674 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 2: room and say, I went to high school with Nikki. 675 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,760 Speaker 2: I love her. She's totally Kapa mater. She's amazing, she's 676 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:03,840 Speaker 2: so smart. You know, she's studying to be a doctor. 677 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:04,160 Speaker 1: Right. 678 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 2: But then somebody has the opportunity to stand up. You 679 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 2: have to stand up, if I remember, And then you say, 680 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:12,000 Speaker 2: you know, I talked to her today and I thought 681 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 2: I thought she was a bit dull, you know, sorry 682 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:18,240 Speaker 2: to say, but then you have to end on a pro, 683 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 2: like ending on something positive made it all okay, Like 684 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 2: that was sort of the theory, like she's a total whore, 685 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:30,640 Speaker 2: but I liked your ear rings, yeah, Verry was. If 686 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 2: you ended on this pro, then really we weren't these 687 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 2: terrible people in this room talking about people. And I 688 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 2: remember I helped with Rush at a different school, Uzela, 689 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 2: and they had pro con pro but if they could 690 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 2: not figure out what to say, they would stand up 691 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 2: and say nice, sweet, cute and that actually meant voter out. 692 00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 2: What about no comment not the same thing. Yeah, they basically, 693 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,320 Speaker 2: but I think you're technically not supposed to say no comments. 694 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 2: So they would say a pro which was nice, sweet cute, 695 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:13,680 Speaker 2: but it was code to the girls, noop, ugly fat 696 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:19,800 Speaker 2: nor Now we never I never experienced anybody saying something 697 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 2: in a meeting. I will say, and we'll end on this, 698 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:27,200 Speaker 2: somebody's saying something about somebody's appearance. That would be that 699 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 2: is I never experienced that. I don't know about the 700 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 2: rest of you, but I never had it in a 701 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 2: meeting where somebody was talking about somebody's I. 702 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:38,040 Speaker 6: Don't remember it being blatant, but certainly there it was there. 703 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:39,080 Speaker 6: It was hanging out. 704 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 3: If you have a bunch of rushies or pnms or 705 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,240 Speaker 3: whatever you want to call them, coming through, we're talking 706 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,240 Speaker 3: about who went into the two front rows or like 707 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,160 Speaker 3: it was the prettier girls. I mean, that was just 708 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,760 Speaker 3: and I think that's you cannot deny that that's a. 709 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 6: Big effort all of this. It just is, you know, 710 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,560 Speaker 6: what is a top tier sorority. I think that it's 711 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,000 Speaker 6: you know, a lot of. 712 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 1: Times it's dick bait, right, it's the hot girls to 713 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:07,480 Speaker 1: get like the guys and vice versa. Right, And so 714 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:11,160 Speaker 1: even if you look at the tiktoks for sority Rush, 715 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,320 Speaker 1: which I watch and thank god I don't have girls, 716 00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,640 Speaker 1: and I see the girls with their dance moves and 717 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:18,920 Speaker 1: how hot they are. 718 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,120 Speaker 2: And how like sexy they are, and I'm like, oh 719 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:21,880 Speaker 2: my god. 720 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 1: And there was one TikTok that showed like Rush in 721 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 1: the eighties and nineties compared to Rush now and it 722 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 1: was like bargain basement like posters, handmade posters and so different, 723 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:35,280 Speaker 1: so different. 724 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,640 Speaker 5: Can I give you the Greek rank what it says 725 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:40,080 Speaker 5: for Kappa? 726 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,120 Speaker 2: Definitely good way to end this episode. 727 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 5: Okay, so how you read Greek rank. 728 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,319 Speaker 4: It's not the actual rankings that are posted, but you 729 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,920 Speaker 4: have to go into the discussion section because those are 730 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:50,560 Speaker 4: real people. 731 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:54,240 Speaker 2: Okay, it's like Reddit and people like Reddit. 732 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:56,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, like Reddit like people will up arrow it and 733 00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:58,200 Speaker 4: down aarrow it if it's right. 734 00:34:58,880 --> 00:34:59,880 Speaker 5: So on August we do. 735 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:05,399 Speaker 4: They said for the rank for the sorority rankings at 736 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:09,960 Speaker 4: cal Top, it says Kappa one hundred and forty years 737 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,600 Speaker 4: of recruiting powerful, rich connected women. 738 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:14,120 Speaker 2: Oh girls. 739 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:19,400 Speaker 6: So anyway, you guys amazing, right, how lingos have. 740 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,840 Speaker 3: Some things change. The more things change, I never. 741 00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,040 Speaker 2: Know whether to like end these episodes feeling like a 742 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,759 Speaker 2: little giggle, a little love, or if I need hour. 743 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:28,880 Speaker 2: It's sort of all of the above. 744 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:32,320 Speaker 3: I feel the same way I loved being in a sorority. 745 00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,359 Speaker 3: I know my daughter loved being in a sorority. And 746 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,600 Speaker 3: then sometimes I think, how in the world could you 747 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:39,400 Speaker 3: have ever been in a sorority? 748 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:40,359 Speaker 6: How dare you? 749 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:42,600 Speaker 2: I think it's gotten worse, Like. 750 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:46,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a vicious it's a lot of good, maybe 751 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:49,000 Speaker 3: some bad as well, but anyway, thanks you guys so much. 752 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:50,680 Speaker 6: Love talking lingo with you. 753 00:35:51,000 --> 00:36:00,719 Speaker 2: Bye.