1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:10,039 Speaker 1: The Around the League Podcast gets baited into interceptions. Welcome 2 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:12,240 Speaker 1: back to another edition of the Round League podcast. My 3 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 1: name is Dan Hanson and I've joined by room filled 4 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:20,439 Speaker 1: with heroes, Mark Sessler, Chris Westling, and Greg Rosatal. What up, boys. 5 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 1: I like this new pointing routine you have when you announce, well, 6 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 1: a couple of things to play. First of all, I 7 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 1: almost always say, or always say, Chris Westling first, but 8 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 1: this is a different setup. We're in the round the 9 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 1: studio sixty six is under construction TV behind the glasses, 10 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 1: nodding his head because he knows all the inside info 11 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: on the process. So they have now kicked us downstairs 12 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 1: to the main studio or NFL network films or shoots 13 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 1: Total Access among many other programs. And we're in a 14 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 1: round table. And I just went right around the room, 15 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 1: right around the table. Mark west Greg TD is not 16 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:00,080 Speaker 1: behind the glass. There is no glass, there is no like. 17 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: He is on a fold out table. And we appear 18 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 1: to be in what looks like a low level Death 19 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:09,760 Speaker 1: Star third level set. Yes, if it's what this place, 20 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:12,039 Speaker 1: I don't know. If it sounds a little weird, just 21 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 1: spar with us for the next month or so. I 22 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 1: think it's going to be a construction process and then 23 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:19,320 Speaker 1: we're gonna get back to Studio sixty six and also 24 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:23,680 Speaker 1: keep mind any other production flaws. Today we have Nigeria 25 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: playing in the World Cup, which is uh which is 26 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 1: TD's native land. Or I guess you were born in Atlanta, 27 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 1: but you grew up in Nigeria. After that, directly after that, 28 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: the good old USA are playing against Ghana. ASSESSLA and 29 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 1: I are going to sneak out of here and catch 30 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 1: that game at a local uh bar, So t D. 31 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 1: The two nations that you're closest to are playing soccer today. 32 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 1: We can't expect a lot out of you, I would 33 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 1: assume not really, no, And I mean we started off 34 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: the day with Christiano Ronaldo playing in Poetrugal, even though 35 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 1: they had a bad game. So I've just been old 36 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 1: sock today, you know. No, that's understandable. I mean we 37 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 1: so we are completely understanding whatever happens. We're not even 38 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 1: sure anybody who ever actually hear this, because TV might 39 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 1: just get tied up with the beautiful game as they 40 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: call it once four years. Man, give me a break. 41 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 1: My takeaway being the Greg and West not patriotic enough 42 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 1: to sneak out to watch the USA. Someone's gonna work, 43 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 1: someone's gonna watch the shop Nation First. Alright, big show today. 44 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: I always say it's a big show, but actually mean 45 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: at this time a very big show. Today. We're gonna 46 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 1: talk more making the leap stuff. We're gonna do, uh 47 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 1: Marcus Wheaton of the Pittsburgh Steelers ziggy ansa and not 48 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 1: only are we gonna talk about zigy An, so we're 49 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:35,959 Speaker 1: gonna get our good friend a t L Chicago corresponded, 50 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 1: Kevin Patrick on the line, and he's gonna tell us 51 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: about ziggy ance. He wrote the piece up on our 52 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:43,679 Speaker 1: website where you could read about all the making of 53 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 1: the leap candidates at Greg nfl dot com backslash making 54 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 1: the Leap bang. We're gonna also talk about, Uh, we'll 55 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: tie this back to soccer and forgive for all of 56 00:02:56,200 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 1: our ignorance. The US soccer coach here Agan cleans Moms 57 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 1: is that he made Kleinsman made some interesting comments before 58 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 1: the start of the World comes about the USS chances 59 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:13,640 Speaker 1: to win comments, some honest comments. Uh So we're gonna 60 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:15,639 Speaker 1: kind of apply that to the NFL a little later 61 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 1: and talk about some teams that really maybe it's not 62 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 1: quite realistic for them to think about the Super Bowl. 63 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 1: Do that later, But before any of that, we're gonna 64 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:26,920 Speaker 1: start with the man that's usually behind the glass TV. 65 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 1: Can we do some news, buddy, let's do it. We 66 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: start with some sad news from over the weekend. Chuck Nol, 67 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: the four times Super Bowl winning coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers, 68 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: passed away at the age of eighty two. Noel died 69 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: at his home in Allegheny County. Uh, the Hall of 70 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 1: Famer guided the Steelers from laughing stock to one of 71 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 1: the sports great dynasties. He coached the team from nineteen 72 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: sixty nine through. I mean, the guy's an icon in 73 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 1: this league and UH he will be remembered as such 74 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 1: as one of the great coaches of all time. Chris Wesley, 75 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 1: you are the resident historian of the Around the League Group. 76 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:09,839 Speaker 1: Your thoughts. I think the one thing that stands out 77 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 1: to me is I don't know that most NFL fans 78 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: realized the Pittsburgh Steelers where the NFL's laughing stock for 79 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:21,280 Speaker 1: nineteen thirties, forties, fifties, and sixties. Their entire franchise was 80 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 1: just basically the worst team in the NFL until Chuck 81 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 1: Noel arrived in nineteen sixty nine, and then they became 82 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 1: the NFL premier franchise and they've been one of the 83 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 1: premier franchises since then. So he is the turning point 84 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: in that franchise. You want to talk about a culture 85 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 1: and creating a culture, this is this is ground zero 86 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 1: when you're talking about that that the Steelers stunk for 87 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 1: decades and now as someone someone my age, for instance, 88 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 1: you could it's there's very rarely that you remember a 89 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: period where the Steelers weren't good. So Noel certainly deserves 90 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:52,039 Speaker 1: some credit for kind of changing the way people looked 91 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 1: at the Steelers and how the organization operated. Arn't Rooney Jr. 92 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 1: The son of you know, Art Rooney, the team's founder, 93 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 1: had a quote which I use than the first rite 94 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 1: up we have of no It said, Chuck knows the 95 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 1: best thing to happened to the Rooney since they got 96 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 1: on the boat in Ireland. And he's right. The Rooney's 97 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 1: you think of him now as these patriarchs of the sport, 98 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: of these guys that are untouchable. They were a laughing 99 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: stock in Pittsburgh. People joked about them. The Steelers were 100 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 1: just thought of as the second class citizens. It was 101 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: a town that wanted to love football, and yet they 102 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 1: had this franchise that had been to one playoff appearance 103 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: in thirty four years. Of course they lost that that 104 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:35,040 Speaker 1: one game. Noel comes in and he doesn't really get mentioned. 105 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 1: When you think of the greatest coaches of all time, 106 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 1: you think of Lombardi, you think of Paul Brown, you 107 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: think of Bill Walsh. Noel doesn't really get that love. 108 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:46,600 Speaker 1: Maybe because he wasn't as x as a knows, maybe 109 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 1: because he didn't self promote. But if you just look 110 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 1: at the track record and what he did, he coached 111 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: the most dominant team in NFL history, and that was 112 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,719 Speaker 1: the seventies Steelers. And the thing about Pittsburgh coming out 113 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:02,479 Speaker 1: of that awful era that Chris mentioned, and we wouldn't 114 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:07,039 Speaker 1: see this today because there's zero patients with quarterbacks and coaches, 115 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: but especially coaches that get shuffled out so quickly. He 116 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 1: won one game his first year in Pittsburgh, followed by 117 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: two more losing seasons. When losing teams get a new 118 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 1: coach that does something like that, they just keep shuffling 119 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: and turning and getting the next guy in that started 120 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:26,040 Speaker 1: a long tradition of the Rooneys sticking with their coaches 121 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 1: for eras and ages. They've been one of the most 122 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: consistent teams and that lack of turnover is one of 123 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:34,679 Speaker 1: the reasons that Pittsburgh is in the picture every season. 124 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:41,719 Speaker 1: He got hired on January. The next day he drafts 125 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:43,599 Speaker 1: me and Joe Green. How about that for a second 126 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:46,159 Speaker 1: day on the job. One of the jet best draft 127 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:49,039 Speaker 1: picks ever they take Terry Bradshaw. And part of Noel's 128 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 1: genius or whatever you want to call it, is his 129 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 1: evaluation of players. He was a big part in taking guys. 130 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 1: And then he's known as a teacher. And maybe that's 131 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: not as it's it's kind of harder to quantify, but 132 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 1: everyone that's ever played for him talks about his teaching 133 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:07,480 Speaker 1: skills and the fundamentals and that's why the Steelers are 134 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: so good. And by the way I worked, I worked 135 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 1: a Saturday morning chef for a t L. And I 136 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 1: reached out to Damna Shack. He said, Dave, would you 137 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 1: care to write anything up under the a t L banner? 138 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: And Dave wrote a really nice, nuanced piece about what 139 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 1: Nol meant to Pittsburgh and that organization. You should read it. 140 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 1: Dave damaged, A bit of a writer, a little sneaky, 141 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: I now, I mean the guy guy gets little a 142 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 1: little bit of a he does. He always gives us 143 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 1: credit for our ability to right. Thank them right a 144 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 1: little bit. Let's get him on a round a league more. 145 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: I'd love to have him right. And all the time 146 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: people just tweet at him saying we loved your peace. 147 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 1: Keep writing for around league. TV s well, TV's watching, 148 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 1: the TV's behind him. He's not really paying attention, but 149 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 1: it didn't seem like he was that plugged in. When 150 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: we're pipping Dave's writing skills. Well, I mean check is 151 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: actually a good writer. Actually, yeah, good idea too. That's 152 00:07:56,560 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: Check guy. Beautiful. All right, let's move on. Brandon Flowers 153 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 1: has been released by This is also news we're just 154 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: catching up from over the weekend. Brendon Flowers was released 155 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 1: by the Kansas City Chiefs. He confirmed that Friday on 156 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 1: his Twitter page, Just curious what you guys thought about 157 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 1: thoughts were about this. Obviously not a huge surprise. He 158 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 1: had been dangled and trade rumors or talks for some time, 159 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: but they decided to move on without Flowers, who was 160 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 1: due five point to five million this season? What what 161 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 1: ended the love affair between Kansas City and Brendon Flowers? 162 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: He had a bad season, didn't seem to be a 163 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 1: good fit for Bob Sutton's defense where they want physical 164 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 1: press corners Brillion and Flowers is a little undersized and 165 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 1: not quite as speedy as the top cornerbacks. Um, you know, 166 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 1: just a couple of years ago, he was one of 167 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: those one of those few cornerbacks that which had overheemers 168 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: around the field, played at a Pro Bowl level. But 169 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 1: it'll be interesting to see how much money he gets 170 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:55,199 Speaker 1: because he's now he's brushing up against age thirty. Uh 171 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 1: And like I said, underside, so I kind of wonder 172 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: how much interest? Who were you talking about again? You 173 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:08,079 Speaker 1: want to make Flowers today? All Brandon Flowers? Yes? Your thoughts? Uh, Chris, 174 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 1: not sure if you were finished there before that outrageous. 175 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:14,680 Speaker 1: We're all just here to set up Dan's little games 176 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 1: that he has. The rest of the show is basically 177 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 1: just a preamble or whatever little drops you got. Hit 178 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 1: him again, hit him? You want to make Flowers? Detective 179 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 1: fans Okay, well as a number of people pointed out 180 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 1: that he also shares the same name with the lead 181 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 1: singer of The Killers Who Back. On a very old 182 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 1: Debate cub but Debate Club podcast, we debated who would 183 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:42,079 Speaker 1: have a tougher time the singer coming onto the field 184 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 1: and doing the cornerbacks job, or Brandon Flowers, the cornerback 185 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 1: having to host a Killers concert. And before you just 186 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 1: one thought on that, hold off one second, why does 187 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 1: it sound like Mark Sessler's Yeah, he's in a helicopter 188 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: flying over Vietnam. I know it's not your faulty day, 189 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:02,319 Speaker 1: but I hope it sounds like we're in a chopper. 190 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 1: It's a new set of guys. We're working out the 191 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 1: kinks right now. It would be harder Brandon Flowers, the 192 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 1: diminutive Killers lead singer. We you believe singer would be 193 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 1: tougher initially, but I went cornerback. One thing. Ian Rappaports 194 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 1: noted that he played fifty six of his plays in 195 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 1: the slot last year and that he didn't like that role. 196 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 1: So I don't know if that means the team that 197 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: decides to sign him has to think about that pretty 198 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 1: hard before they put him back into that role as 199 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 1: a third cornerback. Well, you know when guys get signed 200 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:42,319 Speaker 1: get cut this time of year, and every team, every 201 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 1: fan roots for them to sign that player, and usually 202 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 1: it's kind of a junkie player. It's someone you shouldn't 203 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 1: be excited about. Brandon Flower is a guy you should 204 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 1: be excited about. He's a guy. If he had been 205 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 1: a free agent going into the off season, I think 206 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 1: he would have been in our top free agents available. 207 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 1: He was. He's in a good starter for a long time. 208 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: He really a Pro Bowl level type of starter a 209 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 1: couple of years ago. He's only twenty eight years old. 210 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 1: He's someone that can go in and actually make a difference. 211 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 1: I mean, he's the best free agent out there. I 212 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 1: guess jre Michael Finley if he's healthy, but other than that, 213 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: he's the best one that has the carrier pigeon. This 214 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 1: happened on Friday hasn't reached John is again aware he 215 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 1: plugged in the Brandon Flowers is there for the taking. 216 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 1: You want to make Flowers. I just feel like Greg, 217 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:30,599 Speaker 1: you wrote the piece about seven landing spots. You have 218 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 1: the Jets at number five, get the Falcons and Texans 219 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 1: is the ones that made the most sense. But just 220 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:39,599 Speaker 1: as Jets, Dmitri Patterson and de Milner. But isn't the 221 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 1: whole issue that he doesn't want to be in a 222 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 1: press man scenario where he's got to do that all 223 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:47,079 Speaker 1: the time. And this is that a big situation, and 224 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 1: he didn't fit Bob Sutton's defense. He's not gonna fit 225 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:52,440 Speaker 1: Rex Ryan's because Bob Sutton used to be Rex Ryan's 226 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 1: uh assistant coach. Yeah, that's a good point. And he's 227 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: known for being vetteran, So he makes a lot of 228 00:11:57,080 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: sense in Atlanta, where Scott Pioli is who signed for 229 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 1: hours to that big contract just a few years ago 230 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 1: when he was in when they were both in Kansas 231 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:07,680 Speaker 1: City together. Romeo Cornell, who's in Houston, coached him. So 232 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 1: I think he'll get a good contract, But I don't 233 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 1: think he's a guy that's gonna get signed right away. 234 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: You can kind of see his agents are not very 235 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:18,679 Speaker 1: happy with the market that's shaping up for him. All right. 236 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:21,560 Speaker 1: Any other thoughts on Flowers, Well, I feel like you 237 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:25,719 Speaker 1: want to make Flowers. You just wanted to set that 238 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 1: up again. Well, I feel like the Killers and Brandon 239 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 1: Flowers maybe not the best band of the two thousand's, 240 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 1: but an underrated band to run to or you know, 241 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:38,560 Speaker 1: if you don't run, maybe work out to. But they 242 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:40,839 Speaker 1: got that anthemic lift at the pep, you know what 243 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: I mean, the beat and like if I was struggling 244 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 1: at the end of a run, you know, you throw 245 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 1: on a little killer shuffle of four or five songs 246 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:49,079 Speaker 1: that I'll get you. I used to have a workout 247 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 1: playlist on Spotify, and I think, smile like you mean 248 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:53,839 Speaker 1: it was on there. You know, there you go, and 249 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:57,840 Speaker 1: you and you on that list. That's the only way 250 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 1: or a flow. No trip spears, what was that trip? Shakespeare? 251 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: Thank you? A lot of listeners chimed insane. They like 252 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:09,680 Speaker 1: that reference because that is that isn't under the radar. 253 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:16,559 Speaker 1: Solid just tripped over. Margot was blew me off the 254 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 1: table of his His microphone is very powerful and technical 255 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 1: difficulties on model to ten. Four to ten. All right, 256 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: you want to talk about some mandatory minicamp he some holdouts? 257 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 1: You want talking about the holdout phone? Nothing I like 258 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 1: better than hold out. Let's start with San Francisco forty 259 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 1: niners tight end Burning Davis, who Peter King's Monday Morning Quarterback, 260 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 1: explained why he has decided to hold out direct quote 261 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 1: from the piece, It's all about getting paid what you deserve. 262 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: It's not that complicated. NFL media insider Ian Rappaport reported 263 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 1: Monday that Davis will indeed be absent from camp when 264 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 1: it opens Tuesday, per a source with knowledge of the 265 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 1: players plans. Davis has two two years remaining on a 266 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 1: six years, six year, forty two point seven million dollar deal. Uh. 267 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 1: He believes that he's playing at a higher level than 268 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 1: ever and believes he should be compensated for it. What 269 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 1: do you think is that is a man of the people, 270 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 1: Vernon Davis? Why why do you say that? Because he 271 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 1: said a couple of weeks ago that he was going 272 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 1: to hold out so he could establish his brand. What 273 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 1: does that even mean? That's disturbing. Well, I would say 274 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 1: to Vernon Davis, don't sign six year contracts in the 275 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 1: middle of your career. Sign a shorter deal. Don't have 276 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 1: an agent that is all aboard the six year extension 277 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 1: express because that's what happens. By the end of the 278 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 1: six years, you get underpaid. That's that's how the market moves. 279 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 1: And whenever they talk about how much money he's making 280 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 1: this year, for instance, he's underpaid. He's four point seven 281 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 1: that that does seem underpaid for Vernon Davis. You don't 282 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 1: count the signing bonus that he got when he signed. 283 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: I mean, he got ten million dollars to sign That 284 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 1: should count somewhere in the equation. So it's really on 285 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 1: the agent to me in the player more than the team. 286 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 1: He feels like he has too many people in his 287 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 1: ear right now because his messaging has been so convoluted. 288 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 1: It's I might go to minicamp, I might not, I'll 289 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 1: definitely be there now. He had a Monday Morning quarterback 290 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 1: piece with a subtitle why I'm holding out yet doesn't 291 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: clarify if he is or isn't. It sounds like there's 292 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 1: too many cooks in the kitchen trying to steer this 293 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 1: guy around. And I have a bit of an issue 294 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 1: because this is the same thing that Revas did with 295 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 1: the Jets, where you can't be holding out when you 296 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 1: have multiple years left on a deal. It's like, all right, 297 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 1: if you really want to make a stake, maybe when 298 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 1: you're heading into the last year and let's work something out. 299 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 1: But you're in the middle of it, let's roll with 300 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 1: it and just deal with the fact that that's what 301 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 1: you agreed to. And if you're the forty Niners, who 302 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 1: cares if he you're not going to get your attention 303 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 1: by skipping mandatory mini camp. Is it really that big 304 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 1: a deal. I don't know what he could do that 305 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 1: would be a big deal, skip a chunk of training camp. 306 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 1: But I don't think he's gonna get paid. I don't 307 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 1: think you can hold a team like the forty Niners hostage. 308 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 1: I'm not sure they're going to respond to this because 309 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 1: it's you've got a lot of players up for contracts. 310 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 1: You can't tell Michael Crabtree you go do this next 311 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: and you'll get the money you want. It would be 312 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 1: illegal to holding a whole team hostage. I just feel 313 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 1: like that would be a bad move. That's that would 314 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 1: be bad for the brand. Uh. Andre Johnson, the Houston 315 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 1: Texans wide receiver. As we know, he hasn't been at 316 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: voluntary workouts. There had been rumors or reports that he 317 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 1: would sit out mandatory workouts as well, and it seems 318 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 1: like that's where it's heading. Johnson's uncle and adviser, Andre Melton, 319 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 1: told the Houston Chronicle on Monday that Johnson would not 320 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: be at minicamp this week. Coach Bill O'Brien said last 321 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 1: week he wasn't sure whether Johnson would show up, but 322 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 1: here's a quote from Melton. Right now, that's all he 323 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 1: can do. We've done what we can do. So we're 324 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 1: just sitting there waiting. Uh, you know, once you get 325 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 1: to the point. Now it's past bots. This seems like 326 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 1: an actual issue now for the Texans. Did Uncle Melton 327 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 1: enlighten us to what Andre Johnson actually wants from the Texans? 328 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 1: I don't know. Quarterback, I guess, but he said, it's 329 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 1: not a quarterback. I'm gonna hold out until you get 330 00:16:57,280 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 1: a quarterback, right, But I mean that obviously what he's well, 331 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 1: he said, that's not why he's upset, But I guess 332 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 1: it's it's if you're not going to get the quarterback 333 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:07,199 Speaker 1: and you're not gonna spend money to bring someone in, 334 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:09,719 Speaker 1: then you better pay me more. I mean, the whole message, 335 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 1: What kind of messages that even see it's definitely the 336 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:17,360 Speaker 1: most confusing cold out. You're not really sure what it's 337 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 1: all about, and I can't see it going. I'm gonna 338 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 1: challenge you on that. Here's a more confusing when Kyle 339 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 1: Orton what's going on with Kyle laarton Man is yet 340 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 1: to decide. NFL the Dallas Cowboys quarterback Kyle or An 341 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:32,120 Speaker 1: NFL media insider, Ian Rapp Report reports that the Cowboys 342 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 1: are confident that Orton will show up because they will 343 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 1: go after part of his signing bonus if he doesn't. 344 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 1: Orton privately continues to wage up and it's like, I mean, 345 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: the one point are you gonna make a decision? He 346 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:45,720 Speaker 1: wants to be tired, but he doesn't want to pay 347 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:47,879 Speaker 1: the Cowboys for that privilege. All right, Well, you know what, 348 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:49,639 Speaker 1: that's a pretty it seems pretty cut and dry, and 349 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 1: what why do you need months to make such a decision. 350 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 1: Three million dollars is what the Cowboys could go after 351 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 1: of Kyle Orton if he doesn't, If he just retires now, 352 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 1: there will be lawyers that I mean, that's a lot. 353 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 1: It reminds me of another ex Broncos quarterback who retired 354 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 1: in the seeming strong side of his career, Jake Plumber, 355 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 1: who still had seven million dollars coming to him or 356 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 1: he had signed for a signing bonus, and the Bucks 357 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:17,680 Speaker 1: and the Broncos went after that money and they got 358 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 1: half of it. They got three and a half million 359 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:21,639 Speaker 1: from that. That's a big cost to pay to not 360 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:25,440 Speaker 1: only decide you can stop paying me this unbelievable salary, 361 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 1: but I'm actually gonna have to go into my bank 362 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: account and give you three and a half billion dollars 363 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 1: to not show up. It's insane, It is absurd. They 364 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:35,439 Speaker 1: should go after every cent if this guy doesn't show up, 365 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:38,680 Speaker 1: what other jobs? Well, what other job? Can you just 366 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:40,920 Speaker 1: say I'm not going to show up to work today 367 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:44,359 Speaker 1: or all summer as I hold out for more money 368 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:46,920 Speaker 1: or get what I want in the out of the arrangement, 369 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 1: get rid of this guy. You guys could try it. Yeah, 370 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:52,400 Speaker 1: we could try it in about a weekend. We'd find 371 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 1: out that weird noting the paycheck doesn't hit the direct 372 00:18:55,080 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 1: deposit and there's troubles because we have increased it's more physical. 373 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 1: Greg and I are standing as we're talking. I'm touching 374 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 1: Mark because I'm making a point. You obviously are not 375 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 1: on board with Kyle Orton, nor am I. I don't 376 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 1: know about Tony Romo either. There's a question Dallas. Greg, 377 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 1: you brought this up a good point in your a 378 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: t L post. There's a question was raised whether Romo 379 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:19,880 Speaker 1: and Orton like each other. Romo was asked recently whether 380 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 1: he wanted to see more commitment out of Orton. Here's 381 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 1: Romo's quote. Yeah, I don't have any comment on that, 382 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:34,360 Speaker 1: So that question is only asked if the reporter essentially 383 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 1: knows the answer. But I mean, there's no way a 384 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 1: veteran reporter like Calvin Watkins who asked that question, he 385 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 1: knows there's something between those two, so you put them 386 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 1: on this and by the way, any commitment at all 387 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:48,880 Speaker 1: would be more. I never realized how much Mark truly 388 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:52,119 Speaker 1: despises Kyler. And when he came up this morning, he 389 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:53,920 Speaker 1: was about eight in the morning, we started talking a 390 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 1: little Orton because that's that's a great way to start today. 391 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 1: And you could tell Mark is very into anti Orton. 392 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:02,639 Speaker 1: I didn't dislike him at all early on in the 393 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 1: career where he was making starts, contributing, drinking boatloads of 394 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:09,199 Speaker 1: beer outside of work that I can I can roll 395 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 1: with the whole thing. At this point, it just seems 396 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:14,680 Speaker 1: it's disrupted to the team. There you can go find 397 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:17,439 Speaker 1: an equal backup who actually wants to be there, and 398 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 1: learned during the off season you gotta get someone better 399 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 1: than than Weedon. You gotta do something here. Connect. Let's 400 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 1: try and connect the dots of why Settler feels this way. 401 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 1: Mark used to live in a farmhouse outside Denver. Kyle 402 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:35,160 Speaker 1: Orton used to play quarterback for the Denver Broncos. Shared 403 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:39,959 Speaker 1: timeline potentially took your girlfriend in play. Not even close 404 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:42,439 Speaker 1: to being an actual narrative, but I like it. Mark's 405 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 1: ex girlfriend wanted guy with a neck beard. Well, listen, 406 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 1: next beard. Some girls like next beards. I don't know about. 407 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 1: I probably offered equally like low characteristics at the time 408 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:58,680 Speaker 1: or a boo from Mark Sessler. All right, let's move forward. 409 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:02,400 Speaker 1: More funny quarterback code from quarterbacks that are connected to 410 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:07,880 Speaker 1: the state of Texas. Vince Young might have retired. That's 411 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 1: the headline we're gonna go with here. On Saturday, the 412 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:16,119 Speaker 1: free agent quarterback told Brent Kearney of k x A 413 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:19,399 Speaker 1: and TV and Austin that he's intending to retire from 414 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:22,640 Speaker 1: the NFL. This is one month after the Browns released 415 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 1: him after a twelve day stint. Here's the quote from Young, 416 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 1: and this word gets a little confusing. It's definitely official, 417 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 1: I think in my book, unless we get a great opportunity, 418 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:37,120 Speaker 1: something guaranteed. Other than that, I've started moving forward in 419 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 1: some things. I don't know what any of that meant. 420 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:44,479 Speaker 1: The NFL retired Bence Young two years ago. Can you 421 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:48,399 Speaker 1: retire from something that you don't actually partake in? That 422 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 1: that does come up every off season where a guy 423 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:54,680 Speaker 1: that's been out of the league for an entire year 424 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 1: then retires. It happened recently with who was it. It 425 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:02,119 Speaker 1: was like an Texans linebacker or something. I was like, 426 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 1: you can't retire now you've been out for a year. 427 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:08,120 Speaker 1: It's too late. And I think what Vince Young wants 428 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,959 Speaker 1: intends to retire from his signing with a team for 429 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 1: two weeks and he's sick of like not getting a paid. 430 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 1: A guy needs money and we know that, and he 431 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: keeps on. He's this roller coaster or a carousel where 432 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 1: he's basically just coming on a team and getting dumped. 433 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 1: I guess I would understand why that's tiresome. So Ian 434 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 1: Rappaport reported over the weekend that this is kind of 435 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:29,119 Speaker 1: heading toward him taking some type of position with U 436 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 1: T where of course he had his glory days. Well, 437 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:35,719 Speaker 1: you know, it's the it's the low season in the NFL. 438 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 1: When Brent Carney and Andre Melton are beating Ian rapport 439 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 1: to scoops on these players, scoop out of Texas. I 440 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,439 Speaker 1: guess I could probably give up on Vince Young at 441 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 1: this But remember we were just talking about it was 442 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 1: on your Browns just a couple of weeks well, and 443 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 1: it's another sign that they are correctly evaluating players to 444 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 1: have quickly dispatched with him. Quick note, while we're talking 445 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:03,200 Speaker 1: about players that were retired by society, Dallas Clark is retired. 446 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:07,200 Speaker 1: A long time tight end. Biggest years of course with 447 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 1: Peyton Manning and the Indianapolis Colts, spent most recently it 448 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:14,640 Speaker 1: was with the Baltimore Ravens, where clearly he was no 449 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 1: longer truly Dallas Clark. And now his career's over. He's 450 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 1: announced he's retiring. Another sign how old I'm getting. I 451 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,440 Speaker 1: drafted Dallas Clark in a rookie draft of a dynasty 452 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 1: league Fantasy football league one year wow, and now he's retired. Nice. 453 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 1: Uh little career eleven years, made a Pro Bowl one 454 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:38,920 Speaker 1: year somehow, was the first team All Pro. That is 455 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 1: an upset of all upsets. In the prime of Tony Gonzalez, 456 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 1: and Antonio Gates's career one year, and it was the year, 457 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 1: as Dan pointed out before the show, that Peyton Manning 458 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 1: went crazy and through touchdowns, Dallas Clark beats out those 459 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:56,119 Speaker 1: two future Hall of famers. That was Dallas Clark's outlier year. 460 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:59,880 Speaker 1: He had a hundred receptions eleven hundred six receiving yards 461 00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:03,119 Speaker 1: and then touchdowns. He only had three seasons in his 462 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:07,399 Speaker 1: thirteen seasons with fifty receptions or five yards. That's why 463 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 1: he was mentioned sixth in the news. Runda, but that 464 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:16,680 Speaker 1: good place. Love all right, gentlemen, moving on the making 465 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 1: the Leap series continues. I'm just gonna say, the gold standard, 466 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:22,879 Speaker 1: but the gold stender is no longer here. That is 467 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 1: TV behind the glass only there's no glass. We're all 468 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,680 Speaker 1: sharing a room. TV. What's up, buddy, what's going on? Guys? 469 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on right now? Well, Zack 470 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 1: the game new studio, who says our game is? He 471 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 1: almost called me the gold standard, which I love Zach, 472 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 1: by the way, but well, there's a there's a resemblance. 473 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 1: I'm sure you've heard that before. A little bit. Here's 474 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,360 Speaker 1: some more good news. I am again touching Mark. It's 475 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 1: creeping me out right there, So you're not well, we're 476 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 1: all standing up now. That's excited, and that's what's called 477 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,440 Speaker 1: a little bit of leadership. You saw us, You saw 478 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 1: that we were performing so well, Mark and Chris and 479 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 1: TV behind the glass not black glass. Can we get 480 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: Kevin Patrick on the phone to talk about his making 481 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 1: the lead candidates? See what had happened was no again 482 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 1: new studio and you set up. We're working on a 483 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,399 Speaker 1: few kinks and this actually is in a studio fault. 484 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,359 Speaker 1: There was a big shut down here at NFL Network 485 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 1: studios and some things are still yet to be up 486 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 1: and working, and let's just save the phone might be 487 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 1: one of those things. Well, the good news is that 488 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 1: Kevin patra is watching Good Old USA somewhere at the 489 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,680 Speaker 1: bar taping on Monday. Probably maybe not have been in 490 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 1: the best shape to talk NFL football anyway. By the way, 491 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 1: we recorded a Super Bowl podcast, you'll remember, in a 492 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:45,399 Speaker 1: dank room full of crates. Who knows what was in 493 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 1: those crates we we thought impossible, possibly weaponry that's set 494 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 1: up preferable to this one. Alright, So all right, let's listen, 495 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 1: let's stay on our feet. We're on our feet. Literally, 496 00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 1: let's keep moving. Why don't we go Let's move on two. Number. 497 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 1: Who do we wanna talk about? Marcus Wheaton? Alright's talk 498 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 1: about Marcus Wheaton, number twenty on the list. Uh. Typically 499 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 1: I set up you, gentlemen, as the writers of the content, uh, 500 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 1: for this making the leap series, This one I wrote. 501 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:18,920 Speaker 1: Marcus Wheaton, Pittsburgh Steelers wide receiver entering his second year, 502 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 1: A third round pick of a year ago, entered the 503 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 1: league and looked like somebody that was going to make 504 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:29,159 Speaker 1: an instant impact and find a role on the Pittsburgh offense. 505 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:32,479 Speaker 1: It didn't quite work out that way. In fact, Wheaton 506 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 1: suffered a hand injury broke fingers, missed four games. Of 507 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 1: that he didn't play on the field that much. He 508 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 1: only had a hundred and sixty one snaps. So a 509 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:43,119 Speaker 1: positive preseason gave way to a disappointing regular season. But 510 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,359 Speaker 1: now he's back, he's healthy. Uh, he's still in great 511 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 1: position to take that X receiver spot that Mike Wallace vacated. 512 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 1: And uh, you know, everything we're hearing in camp is 513 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 1: that that this guy is playing at a high level. 514 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,200 Speaker 1: He has all the skill, UH said, he's got speed, 515 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 1: he ran a four four at the combine and the thirteen. 516 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 1: He's got pretty good size, uh strong hands of good football. 517 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 1: I Q everything's in place, and he's got a great 518 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,919 Speaker 1: quarterback obviously, and Ben Roethlisberger to make the leap and 519 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 1: become somebody that is a playmaker at this level. So, gentlemen, 520 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 1: I throw it to you, what do you think about this? 521 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 1: I think he's the reason why the Steelers were willing 522 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,640 Speaker 1: to let Emmanuel Sanders walk out the door. I think 523 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 1: Marcus wheaton Is can be a better receiver. He can 524 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,440 Speaker 1: actually be an improvement on Sanders opposite Brown. I think 525 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 1: he's a better downfield target, He's a better boundary receiver, 526 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 1: offers more size and more playmaking ability than Emmanuel Sanders. 527 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 1: What are you basing all this wheat in love in 528 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,720 Speaker 1: terms of being better than Sanders, because we just haven't 529 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,959 Speaker 1: seen much last year's preseason. Yeah. Yeah, he only had 530 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 1: six catches during the regular season, but he made some 531 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:48,919 Speaker 1: plays in the preseason, and that's why I guess it 532 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 1: was particularly disappointing for that team for him then to 533 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:55,359 Speaker 1: have really no no presence during the regular season. Having 534 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,120 Speaker 1: been in the office at six this morning, when Dan 535 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:02,440 Speaker 1: strolled in uh Into discovered that he had to write 536 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,360 Speaker 1: this piece that was actually due last night. I am 537 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:10,119 Speaker 1: wholly impressed with your ability. Now I'm wholly impressed with 538 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,719 Speaker 1: your ability to get this together so quickly. First of all, 539 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 1: lower your voice. You're the mic is hot. I can't 540 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 1: help it, as am I if you continue to come 541 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 1: after me. And that's why I'm touching you again. And 542 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 1: now it's a firmer gress. My point being very impressed 543 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:31,639 Speaker 1: with what you've put on paper in a quick time. Listen. 544 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:36,680 Speaker 1: First of all, sites get stitches number one, number two. 545 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 1: I was all on the head. I did research on it. 546 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 1: I just had a puke it out, if you will. 547 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,840 Speaker 1: And I feel confident that Wheaton is gonna be somebody 548 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 1: that makes an impact this year. And the question is 549 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 1: is how much is he going to be able to? 550 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 1: Is it going to be the mental end of it 551 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 1: could be the hardest thing. Roethlisberger said last month that 552 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 1: a big part of what made the Steelers so dynamic 553 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 1: down the stretch was their ability to operate in the 554 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 1: no huddle UM, and he singled out Roethlisberger singled out 555 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 1: Wheaton and Lance Moore, who most likely will slide it 556 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 1: slide into Catrey's old role as the slot guy. The 557 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 1: big challenge for them will be picking up the aspects 558 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 1: of the no huddle that they run, So he has challenges. 559 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 1: He's still a very young guy. But if you can 560 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 1: put that end of it together and you can stay healthy, 561 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 1: he's gonna do something. This is a great spot to 562 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 1: be in. This is why Emmanuel Sanders is not on 563 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 1: her making the leap list because I don't think he 564 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 1: took advantage enough of the opportunity he had last year. 565 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:38,760 Speaker 1: Your opposite Antonio Brown, you got Ben Roethlisberger at quarterback. 566 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 1: This is a passing offense. I think they're gonna be aggressive. 567 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 1: It's a great spot. We don't know if we is 568 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 1: gonna be as good as we hope, but it just 569 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 1: it makes a lot of sense that he could have 570 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,479 Speaker 1: a lot of numbers right away. What do you think 571 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:55,720 Speaker 1: about Martavis Bryant. He seems to be a prototypical size 572 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 1: speed freak. Uh. Some people in Clemson called him kind 573 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,960 Speaker 1: of a remains Randy Moss. They said he was faster 574 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,960 Speaker 1: than Sammy Watkins. But I think the scoutter report on 575 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 1: him was it was gonna take him a little while 576 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 1: to develop as an NFL player. But I find interesting 577 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 1: about the Steelers a candidate for team of a t 578 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 1: L two. They've got an impressive draft class where guy 579 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 1: like Ryan schas Ere is gonna start right away, Stephan 580 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 1: to it might start right away. But they also have 581 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 1: three guys from last year's draft that were candidates for 582 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 1: this making the leap list, Levy on Bell, Marcus Wheaton, 583 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 1: and Jarvis Jones. They're getting an infusion of two drafts 584 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 1: worth of talent in the starting line up. And how 585 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 1: about David de Castro a fully healthy season, maybe all 586 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 1: of a sudden becoming a young team. They're young and cool. Mark. 587 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 1: I can feel Mark, maybe he's coming around to this 588 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,560 Speaker 1: Steelers as team. Mark Sessler, I feel like he isn't 589 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 1: yes or no. I've told you many times you are 590 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 1: more than welcome to select this team as your team, 591 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 1: and you can send me a postcard from hell. I 592 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 1: am not going to sell myself down a river and 593 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:10,720 Speaker 1: act in Week one when they're taking on Cleveland and 594 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 1: Johnny Manzel that I'm all excited to see Pittsburgh stomping 595 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 1: them thirty too. You don't have to root for them 596 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 1: when they're playing Cleveland. It's just the rest of the time. Again, 597 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 1: more than welcome to diverge on this topic. And by 598 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 1: the way, I'll have my own team of a t L. 599 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 1: How about that, Well we all well, I'll add some 600 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 1: context to it too, maybe listeners that aren't aware. We 601 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 1: are picking a team collectively and unanimously as the team 602 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 1: of a t L this year, a team that we 603 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,400 Speaker 1: will get behind and follow, perhaps more closely than even 604 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,800 Speaker 1: the other thirty one teams, and they will be the 605 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 1: team that we believe in. And we are going to 606 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,840 Speaker 1: figure this out at some point during the summer into 607 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 1: the fall and make the grand announcement very early in 608 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 1: the season. Who is that team. I still think we 609 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 1: should get some guts and do it before the season starts, 610 00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 1: but I was voted down on that. So we're gonna 611 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 1: do it. We're gonna We're gonna wait for the regular 612 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 1: season to get shaken a little bit, and then we're 613 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:07,160 Speaker 1: gonna settle on a team. And the Pittsburgh Steelers potentially nominated. 614 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 1: But as I said, Mark, since it has to be 615 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 1: anatomus can shoot it down. I don't like where this 616 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 1: is going because it puts an ordinate pressure on me 617 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 1: to just agree with you guys that, yes, this is 618 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,320 Speaker 1: such an intriguing thing. I the reason I have a 619 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,480 Speaker 1: problem with is because I love Andrew Luck and the Colts. 620 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:26,720 Speaker 1: That was my initial argument. All right, well, well let's 621 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 1: not get away. Who are our nominations are, because we're 622 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,040 Speaker 1: gonna at least nominally one team each down the line, 623 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 1: so be ready for that. So, well, that's a real 624 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,680 Speaker 1: under the radar team right there at the South Champion. 625 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 1: I believe when we did on a playoff game, someone 626 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,920 Speaker 1: picked the Green Bay Packers. Well, so if we're going 627 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:51,040 Speaker 1: for under the radar team, I'm not sure. I didn't 628 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,360 Speaker 1: nominate the Packers. They were eight seven and one last year, 629 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:57,720 Speaker 1: weren't they. None of us are going total. I'm just 630 00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 1: trying to it's marking are seated the super Bowl twice 631 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 1: under Big Ben. I mean, this is this is what's 632 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:06,440 Speaker 1: going on right now. He seems to be on fire 633 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:12,640 Speaker 1: heat from his body. He's rocking back and forth, hands 634 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 1: on his hips. Right now. I will not be strong 635 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 1: arm into waving around pom poms for the Pittsburgh Steelers. 636 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 1: How about how about this team, guys, Redskins. No, I've 637 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:31,240 Speaker 1: thrown them out. I'm more open to that. Pretty this year, 638 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,120 Speaker 1: they've got the comeback player of the year. You got 639 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 1: my year on that. Okay, I'm saying it's thrown it 640 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:39,920 Speaker 1: out there, all right, so before we go, we wanted 641 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,400 Speaker 1: to uh, I guess it's somewhat ties into what we're 642 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 1: talking about. These are the team that will definitely not 643 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:49,000 Speaker 1: be the teams of a t l H. You're gone, Keensmond, 644 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,240 Speaker 1: who is apparently the coach of the USA soccer team. 645 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,360 Speaker 1: I had this quote to say before. Very unusual that 646 00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:57,480 Speaker 1: this would ever happen. I can't imagine it ever happening 647 00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 1: in the NFL or any other U s for fessional sport. 648 00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:02,600 Speaker 1: But this is what he had to say about his 649 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 1: own team. You're going, keensband once again for us now 650 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,879 Speaker 1: talking about winning a World Cup, it's just not realistic 651 00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:12,920 Speaker 1: if it is America or not. You can correct me. 652 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 1: So basically saying our team is pretty good? Is this 653 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,799 Speaker 1: correct team is pretty good? It is fair? I mean 654 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,320 Speaker 1: he get his ran Klinsman. He was a German striker 655 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,319 Speaker 1: for a couple of years. Obviously great career and now 656 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,719 Speaker 1: as a coach he's he's telling me as it is 657 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,400 Speaker 1: a little bit too honest with some understandably, especially in 658 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,799 Speaker 1: the media that we live in today. An NFL coach 659 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 1: or an NBA coach, NHL coach came out and said that, 660 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,279 Speaker 1: you know, he would get a lot of heat like 661 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,200 Speaker 1: Mark Sessa's being in right now. But I mean, it's 662 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,919 Speaker 1: it is for the most part true. It's a tough 663 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,000 Speaker 1: I mean, to win the World Cup. You're talking about 664 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:49,279 Speaker 1: beating a Brazil, Argentina, Spain. Yeah, it's it would be 665 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,760 Speaker 1: the most surprising thing to ever happen in World Cup history, 666 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:55,480 Speaker 1: but far by far, like the US hockey team beating 667 00:34:55,560 --> 00:35:00,360 Speaker 1: Russia in nineteen eighty. I kind of get that reference, 668 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,120 Speaker 1: but not not enough to make sense of it. But 669 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,200 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it would be like if the if 670 00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,400 Speaker 1: the Bills won the Super Bowl. Issue. Well, that's a 671 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,719 Speaker 1: good segue into what we're getting into right now, which 672 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,600 Speaker 1: is we're gonna go through the teams and we're gonna 673 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:15,799 Speaker 1: make a decision. We're gonna go all youregon Keen's Band 674 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:20,520 Speaker 1: and decide ourselves what teams It's unrealistic to expect the 675 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,520 Speaker 1: Super Bowl. Okay, super Bowl victory. And this doesn't mean 676 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 1: that we hate your team. If your team is brought 677 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,719 Speaker 1: up in this group or in some cases in mind 678 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,480 Speaker 1: in some cases of course, or if you know you 679 00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:32,400 Speaker 1: have no chance to contend for a playoff spot or 680 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,920 Speaker 1: even maybe perhaps even make the playoffs as a as 681 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,520 Speaker 1: a lower seed. We're just saying to win the super Bowl. 682 00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,200 Speaker 1: It's not realistic, folks. So this is the segment is 683 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:43,400 Speaker 1: called you'regon Keen's Bonds for the Super Bowl. Good timing 684 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,399 Speaker 1: because I just had a Twitter follower asked me this 685 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,800 Speaker 1: morning who would be my team this year that I 686 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,160 Speaker 1: would bet wouldn't win six games like I did last 687 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,480 Speaker 1: year at the Oakland Raiders and put my softball pants 688 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,520 Speaker 1: on the line, and I said, there really aren't no 689 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:57,480 Speaker 1: teams that are his talent poor if the Raiders and 690 00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:05,640 Speaker 1: Jaguars were entering last season. We're downstairs in a folk 691 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:09,520 Speaker 1: studio right now, and somehow that sound effect, our worst 692 00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,399 Speaker 1: sound effect by by far, made it into the pot 693 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,920 Speaker 1: and you gotta like that. That's TV. It's beautiful. Let's 694 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,080 Speaker 1: hear it again. It is by far, our cheesiest sound 695 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:26,600 Speaker 1: effect junior high production. That's a at an interesting point though, 696 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:28,640 Speaker 1: that you don't think any team is that bad. I'm 697 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:30,239 Speaker 1: trying to come up with a counter, but yeah, I 698 00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,080 Speaker 1: think you're right. Let's go through the list, and I 699 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:37,120 Speaker 1: guess maybe speak up if you realistically feel it is 700 00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:40,200 Speaker 1: not realistic for this team to win the Super Bowl. 701 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:41,880 Speaker 1: That was way more complicated than I had to be. 702 00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,480 Speaker 1: The Buffalo Bills. Oh, they're number one on They're they're 703 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,719 Speaker 1: not realistic. They're number one. Well, I don't know if 704 00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,520 Speaker 1: they're number one, but they're a slam dune. They have 705 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,480 Speaker 1: no change. I would say every team that we nominate, 706 00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,640 Speaker 1: will you can point to the quarterback position and say 707 00:36:56,680 --> 00:37:02,680 Speaker 1: that's a giant question mark Miami Doll. I wouldn't say 708 00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,400 Speaker 1: that about them. I think they they have a little chance. 709 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:10,800 Speaker 1: The New England Patriots, all right, the New York Jets, 710 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,960 Speaker 1: they've they've got a chance. Yeah, yeah, what's coming around 711 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,120 Speaker 1: on the Jets? Yeah, I mean I'm looking at I'm 712 00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:20,120 Speaker 1: looking at this like a team that has no chance, 713 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,600 Speaker 1: like close to zero point zero percent. The Bills would 714 00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:25,040 Speaker 1: be the only one so far that would make it 715 00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:31,080 Speaker 1: for me. Baltimore Ravens, Cincinnati Bengals. Cincinnati Bengals. Of course, 716 00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,560 Speaker 1: the chance they could learn how to win a playoff game. Yeah, 717 00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:37,640 Speaker 1: I was more asking West, which possible that that good 718 00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:44,040 Speaker 1: things alright. The Cleveland Browns. I think it's a question 719 00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:47,359 Speaker 1: mark until we know what we have in the rookie quarterback. Oh, 720 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:53,920 Speaker 1: I could see it happening. Yeah, I set the cynic 721 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:55,960 Speaker 1: of the A t L podcast is the most positive 722 00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,240 Speaker 1: man in the room. I love this christ Johnny Football 723 00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:01,279 Speaker 1: has a way of galvanizing fan base and teams. They 724 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:06,120 Speaker 1: have something. They have a great looking defense and a 725 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:09,640 Speaker 1: great looking, defensive minded head coach. They got some weapons, 726 00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:11,320 Speaker 1: and if Man's I was good, I don't. I wouldn't 727 00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,319 Speaker 1: feel comfortable putting on this list. I would say that 728 00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,720 Speaker 1: the Bills have a roster that might be as talented 729 00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,480 Speaker 1: as Cleveland's, minus the fact that the throwing of a quarterback. 730 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,360 Speaker 1: That's fair, all right. The Pittsburgh Steelers, of course. The 731 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:31,040 Speaker 1: Houston Texans, what was that? Keep going like that? The 732 00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:35,680 Speaker 1: Houston Texans only of case Keenum his quarterback. That's an 733 00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:39,200 Speaker 1: interesting one kind of team piloted by if it's I 734 00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:44,359 Speaker 1: don't think they have any change there. You go look 735 00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:50,240 Speaker 1: at TV. The Indianapolis Cults, of course, damn a chance. 736 00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:59,520 Speaker 1: The Jacksonville Jaguars, But that I understand why that fan 737 00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:04,040 Speaker 1: base gets agitated because no matter what it's immediately the Jaguars, 738 00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,560 Speaker 1: and yes that this season they don't, but there's they're 739 00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,040 Speaker 1: building something. We're talking about this. Yeah, look, we we 740 00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:11,400 Speaker 1: didn't besought that can Hanny should be their starting quarterback 741 00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:16,440 Speaker 1: for the they either have they long term, we know that, right, 742 00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:18,040 Speaker 1: but they said he's not going to play and the 743 00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:21,040 Speaker 1: chatart believe a word of that precludes them from being 744 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,719 Speaker 1: in the super Bowl. Could they realistically win nine games? Yeah, sure, 745 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,560 Speaker 1: but I don't think they could realistically have any chance 746 00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:33,040 Speaker 1: for the super Bowl. So they're on. This was the 747 00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:39,960 Speaker 1: first team I thought of, Yeah, uh, what do you 748 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:45,240 Speaker 1: play games? All right? You guys? Who are their standout players? 749 00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:47,239 Speaker 1: You guys are right? I think I just have the 750 00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:53,080 Speaker 1: whole Justin Hunter fascination, viciously script viciously. We have their 751 00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:55,799 Speaker 1: two favorite players, Bishop Sanky and Justin Hunter. Well if 752 00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,040 Speaker 1: they're so bad, why don't why don't you think they're 753 00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,200 Speaker 1: gonna win six games? You know you you wouldn't feel 754 00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,680 Speaker 1: comfortable putting your softball pants up for them. I think 755 00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:04,719 Speaker 1: they're way more talented than the Raiders were in Tree 756 00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:09,600 Speaker 1: last season. Okay, okay, the Denver Broncos. I think they 757 00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:13,040 Speaker 1: got a chance Kansas City Chiefs. I don't know. Oh, 758 00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:18,240 Speaker 1: Chris Wesley, all right, they got a kid. The Oakland Raiders, 759 00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:24,400 Speaker 1: No chance, here's a good one. Maybe even the world 760 00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:29,319 Speaker 1: couple of clubal in the USA San Diego Chargers. It's 761 00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:32,839 Speaker 1: a good parallel, is it. Although the Chargers didn't hire 762 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:37,560 Speaker 1: someone from Germany to coach the team, Chargers haven't. Chargers 763 00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,239 Speaker 1: have a great quarterback. Chargers have a quarterback that you 764 00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:44,120 Speaker 1: could see getting nim VP votes. Almost did last year. 765 00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:50,120 Speaker 1: So yeah, well yeah, the USA soccer team has insert 766 00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:54,680 Speaker 1: great player here, just like the Chargers at River Michael 767 00:40:54,719 --> 00:41:00,120 Speaker 1: Browdley's name, you're looking for Tony Tonya? I like, as 768 00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,239 Speaker 1: you got me on that minute? Howard? Is he still 769 00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:06,839 Speaker 1: the goalkeeper? Yeah? Plug in. What do we like about 770 00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:10,640 Speaker 1: San Diego's defense? I don't remember much, but I would 771 00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:12,640 Speaker 1: it be crazier. This is what I'm comparing it to 772 00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:17,120 Speaker 1: the Rams, in the in the Titans. There's some crazy 773 00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,239 Speaker 1: teams that have made the Super Bowl. Their defense did 774 00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:22,320 Speaker 1: play the the Broncos as well as anyone accept the Seahawks, 775 00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,040 Speaker 1: the Cardinals when they made the Super I mean, let's 776 00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:30,120 Speaker 1: move on to the NFC. The Dallas Cowboys MM hmmm, 777 00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,319 Speaker 1: I don't think it's realistic. He got Romo, Come on, 778 00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,400 Speaker 1: what is good? I would say there's a chance. I 779 00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:38,120 Speaker 1: think there's a much better chance that they have the 780 00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:41,080 Speaker 1: worst defense in the NFL. Well, they's that's they're going 781 00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:43,160 Speaker 1: to be in a lot of shoot. I think they 782 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,040 Speaker 1: have a chance. I'm not put him on a list 783 00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:50,200 Speaker 1: New York Giants. I'm never counting out of Elie. I 784 00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:54,120 Speaker 1: am that you've done it in. I won't count the 785 00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:56,359 Speaker 1: Giants out. Yeah you can't. I don't think you can 786 00:41:56,400 --> 00:42:00,680 Speaker 1: count about Tom Coffin, uh, the Master, Chip Kelly and 787 00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:05,960 Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Well obviously, yes, anybody else want to say 788 00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:09,279 Speaker 1: I can't happen it's realistic. I'll give him that. Here's 789 00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:13,279 Speaker 1: a good one. The Washington Redskins better chance than the Cowboys. 790 00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:19,840 Speaker 1: Why not Washington? I mean potential because they were That 791 00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,480 Speaker 1: would be the answer, because their defense is still helped 792 00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,440 Speaker 1: by Jim Haslett, who's overseen one of the worst defenses 793 00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,280 Speaker 1: in the league. For not on the list here teams, 794 00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,360 Speaker 1: I'd say absolutely no way. When you've got Griffin coming 795 00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,600 Speaker 1: back and you've got a wide receiver group that's completely 796 00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,400 Speaker 1: different than what we saw last season. T d can 797 00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:39,479 Speaker 1: you do a ding followed by at as close together 798 00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:45,640 Speaker 1: as possible. That's the Redskins. Now there the Cowboys. I'm 799 00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:49,960 Speaker 1: not going to write them down. Lame division to Chicago Bears, 800 00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:55,239 Speaker 1: they got a chance. Detroit Lions, they got a chance. 801 00:42:56,320 --> 00:43:02,600 Speaker 1: Green Bay Packers favorite in Minnesota. Vikings they don't have 802 00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:04,640 Speaker 1: a chance until the Super Bowls in Minnesota. They're a 803 00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:06,560 Speaker 1: long way way. They would they would have to have 804 00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:11,960 Speaker 1: Teddy Bridgewater play likes out. Uh again, everyone don't take 805 00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,120 Speaker 1: this personally. Well, it doesn't mean we dislike your team. 806 00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,520 Speaker 1: What're you saying? It's not really accept in some cases 807 00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:19,440 Speaker 1: the list so far, are there any cases where you 808 00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:23,320 Speaker 1: genuinely dislike a team? Well? I really love the Raiders 809 00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,120 Speaker 1: organization of the seventies and eighties, and I have a 810 00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:30,800 Speaker 1: fondness for their history, but I have really uh started 811 00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:36,640 Speaker 1: loathing them lately. Confirming there you go a little analysis there. Uh. 812 00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:40,840 Speaker 1: The Atlanta Falcons, Oh, that's an interesting one. They definitely 813 00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:44,640 Speaker 1: have a chance. Weight alright, talk about it back from 814 00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:47,160 Speaker 1: injury too, Yeah, they definitely have a chance. The two 815 00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,640 Speaker 1: thousand third team team of a t L. I think 816 00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,920 Speaker 1: you get grandfathered into realistic possibility. If you're a team 817 00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:56,000 Speaker 1: of a t L. The Carolina Panthers, Hey you've got 818 00:43:56,000 --> 00:44:02,640 Speaker 1: a chance. No, Mark, I'll give him a chance. I 819 00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:04,799 Speaker 1: mean again, you've got a quarterback. They've got They're not 820 00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:06,560 Speaker 1: the same team they were last year, but that front 821 00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:10,760 Speaker 1: seven hasn't changed. Bunch. The New Orleans Saints definitely. Tampa 822 00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:15,000 Speaker 1: Bay Buccaneers. Well, if Josh McCown is half as good 823 00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:21,080 Speaker 1: as uh Chris Wesley seems, Brat Johnson can take the 824 00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:23,719 Speaker 1: Buccaneers to a Super Bowl title. So can I don't 825 00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:27,399 Speaker 1: think Westley spent the weekend carving out the bust for 826 00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:32,200 Speaker 1: Josh McCown and Canton. He such a bad thing, that's fair. 827 00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,000 Speaker 1: Wait what does that mean there? I think they We're 828 00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:41,080 Speaker 1: not gonna I'm not gonna write them down. They got 829 00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:45,239 Speaker 1: a shot. They got a quarterback. They they do have 830 00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:49,160 Speaker 1: a great defense, great defensive coach. I think they will. 831 00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,640 Speaker 1: All right, we gotta get out of here. More bold 832 00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:56,799 Speaker 1: than that have a chance to bowl. Okay, okay, they 833 00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:58,680 Speaker 1: have a quarterback. All right? Did we we said the 834 00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:03,600 Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals. Yeah, I think the whole division has a chance. St. 835 00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:06,600 Speaker 1: Louis Rams, San Francisco forty Niners, and of course the 836 00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:09,799 Speaker 1: Seattle Seahawks. Alright, folks, so this is going to be 837 00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:16,759 Speaker 1: pretty much a fork power rankings thinking of fork and 838 00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,239 Speaker 1: then before the seasons there. Yeah, I'm gonna read this 839 00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:21,759 Speaker 1: list not in order of the team's how forked they are, 840 00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,560 Speaker 1: but they're all totally forked in the end. These are 841 00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:28,960 Speaker 1: teams that realistically, it's unrealistic to think that they will 842 00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:34,080 Speaker 1: win the Super Bowl. The Houston Texas, Jacksonville Jaguars, Tennessee Titans, 843 00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:39,360 Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills, the Oakland Raiders in the Minnesota Likes. 844 00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:43,400 Speaker 1: What do all those teams haven't come quarterback questions quarterback 845 00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:45,359 Speaker 1: questions other than the Vikings, they're all in the end 846 00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:47,239 Speaker 1: a f C. So that's good news for the rest 847 00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:51,720 Speaker 1: of the very true. Alright, that's it, gentlemen for Monday's 848 00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:53,920 Speaker 1: edition of the Around the League Podcast. We will be 849 00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:57,680 Speaker 1: back on Wednesday for another show and touching Mark as 850 00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:00,760 Speaker 1: we get ready to sign off. We were back Wednesday, 851 00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,160 Speaker 1: talk more football goodness, maybe Leaven talk to Kevin Patra 852 00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:06,359 Speaker 1: just to confirm he's alive. Until then, this is Dan 853 00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:10,160 Speaker 1: Ans signing up exciging offer, the Sizzler, the Mailman, the Boss, 854 00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:19,480 Speaker 1: tape day behind the glass until one side. We're in 855 00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:22,600 Speaker 1: Germany's heat and we have a Germany coaching the stage. Oh, 856 00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:30,000 Speaker 1: Germany's group, that's what you got. Yeah, sound controversial, That's 857 00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:34,400 Speaker 1: that's problem.