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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I'm welcome stuff I'll

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Speaker 1: never told you a prediction of by Heart Radio, and

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Speaker 1: welcome to another edition of Happy Hour. As always, if

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Speaker 1: you choose to drink or whatever you choose to do,

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Speaker 1: please do so responsibly.

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Speaker 2: Samantha, are you sipping on anything?

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Speaker 3: I got my bubbly water ready to go. All right,

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Speaker 3: what about you?

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Speaker 2: I got my red one ready to go.

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Speaker 1: Yes, So, if you've been listening, I guess it's kind

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Speaker 1: of early in the month, so some of this hasn't

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Speaker 1: come out, but we're doing a lot of kind of

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Speaker 1: nostalgic episodes or look backs on things that we enjoyed

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Speaker 1: during childhood. And we recently were trying to pick the

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Speaker 1: movie we're going to do for the month, and in

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Speaker 1: there mentioned or we could just talk about PBS. So

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Speaker 1: I this is like a it's sad in the sense

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Speaker 1: that our national our publicly funded media in the United

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Speaker 1: States has lost one point one billion promised amount of

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Speaker 1: money from the federal government and so they're scrambling. But

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Speaker 1: we're not really going to dig into that sad part today.

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to talk about well I liked it

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Speaker 1: and what I liked when I was growing up. And

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Speaker 1: we have talked about this before, because wasn't your Anne

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Speaker 3: Yes, So there was two things that I loved from

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Speaker 3: But obviously Sesame Street was something that I watched on

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Speaker 3: there as a young kid learning English. But the two

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Speaker 3: of those specials and I would be like.

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Speaker 3: I was the queen, and I don't know where those

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Speaker 3: of them. And lay Miss, which had LEAs Long and

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Speaker 3: famous Broadway musical artist who really killed it in any

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Speaker 3: in a classic Broadway play, which I've already talked about.

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Speaker 3: Lamessbying a great book, but I watched the musical first

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Speaker 3: was Eponine from l Miss and I adore those specials

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And we have talked about Sesame Street as

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Speaker 1: But as a kid, I really loved Arthur was probably

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Speaker 3: Things I remember now Shining Time Station is what it

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Speaker 1: Shining Time Station. Okay. See I love this because I

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Speaker 2: It has it's part of our media landscape. So many

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Speaker 3: Did you really yes? Well, we also talked about Carmen

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And the thing is that was a lot of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so they they released a lot of BBC series.

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Speaker 3: The Scholastic Readers. Yeah, it was all in part because

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Speaker 4: Wow, you brought it back the Star Wars radio special.

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Speaker 3: This is the thing. This is like when we throw

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