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Speaker 1: This is One Bills Live presented by Kalida Health.

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Speaker 2: Oh there's everybody doing here on a Wednesday, Chris Brown,

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Speaker 2: Steve Tasker One Bills Live back in our studios at

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Speaker 2: One Bills Drive here in Orchard Park because it is

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Speaker 2: an off day for the players at training camp and

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Speaker 2: we will be back out at Saint John Fisher at

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Speaker 2: this time tomorrow for Thursday's practice, so the coverage will

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Speaker 2: continue when the players return to the field. But an

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Speaker 2: off day today, not that there isn't stuff to get to. Steve.

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Speaker 2: A lot going on, not just here with the Bills,

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Speaker 2: but obviously around the league since it is training camp season.

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Speaker 2: And we'll start, you know, right off the top with

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Speaker 2: you know, the news we're all waiting to hear, and

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Speaker 2: that is on the condition of top draft pick Max

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Speaker 2: Harriston's knee after he was injured in a non contact

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Speaker 2: drill at Tuesday's practice and exited early. He did post

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Speaker 2: on his Instagram a couple of times since the injury occurred,

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Speaker 2: and fans are trying to read into it. The first

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Speaker 2: post after the injury said beyond plussed, thank you God,

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Speaker 2: which fans took as a positive. They're like, oh, it's

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Speaker 2: But then after that he posted God has my back,

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Speaker 2: I can't lose. So that now has fans worried that

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Speaker 2: he's got a more serious injury. Nobody knows. Nothing has

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Speaker 2: been closed by the team. It's not out of the ordinary,

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Speaker 2: but this is the common speculation that fans are subjected to,

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Speaker 2: and then people just come up with opinions that are

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Speaker 3: To his credit to Max, from what I understand, he

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Speaker 2: The time on his He's a religious kid.

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Speaker 3: This isn't this isn't out of the ordinary for him

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Speaker 2: So since it's been posted in the wake of the injury,

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Speaker 2: people are trying to read into it. You know, we

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Speaker 2: don't know. Nobody knows, and that's all that matters. So

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Speaker 2: we will We will await official word from the team,

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Speaker 2: whether it comes through the pr office or whether it's

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Speaker 2: announced by coach McDermott, who, according to the media schedule,

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Speaker 2: That's the next time he is scheduled. I suppose it's

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Speaker 2: return of the Blue and Red practice across the parking

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Speaker 2: lot from us here at the stadium. That's a possibility.

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Speaker 2: But at the latest that's all.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, here's the thing too, and you can only hope

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Speaker 3: know you may never see him again in a Bill's uniform. Yes, oh,

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Speaker 3: as stuff goes, Uh, we have no idea, So we'll

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Speaker 2: And it was because there's nothing officially such a team

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Speaker 3: Once again we remind ourselves it's the absolute worst part

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Speaker 2: One injury sports. We know it, and we all just

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Speaker 2: no worse for the wear. As we said, off day

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Speaker 2: for the players today at training camp. That's why we're

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Speaker 2: back here in our one Bill's Live studios. Thursday practice

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Speaker 2: five am, and we will be back out there as well,

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Speaker 2: providing our unparalleled coverage. Speaking of coverage, later this afternoon,

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Speaker 2: the latest episode of our Bills by the Numbers podcast

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Speaker 2: will be out as we provide a synopsis of week

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Speaker 2: one of training camp, those who exceeded expectations, biggest developments

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Speaker 2: on offense, defense and special teams from last season, and

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Speaker 2: a player or two that we think could have a

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Speaker 2: breakout performance in the preseason. So check that out on

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Speaker 2: your Bill's YouTube channel or whatever podcast platform use. Later

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Speaker 2: this afternoon, and the most important news of the day

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Speaker 2: concerning the Bill Steve Tonight is the airing of episode

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Speaker 2: one of Oh Gosh Knocks Wine PM.

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Speaker 3: Oh the fifth is a week from today.

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Speaker 2: Dang it, I thought it was tonight. No Ah, so disappointed.

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Speaker 2: You had you were all fixed a week ahead.

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Speaker 3: You had your you had your DVR. Aw do they

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Speaker 2: DVRs or you just go back and non demand. Well

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Speaker 3: I'm sure they do well.

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Speaker 2: Tell them to turn it around for tonight.

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Speaker 3: Well, here's the problem. You know that, And this is

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Speaker 3: the way it is. The league and the teams agree

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Speaker 3: to do Hard Knocks. One of the points, the major

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Speaker 3: that they watch everything. So they have to you know,

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Speaker 3: they have comb through that, they have to comb through

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Speaker 3: the hundreds of hours of film and audio that they have,

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Speaker 2: So my apologies. August fifth is the episode one airing.

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Speaker 3: I'm really hard Now. I'm kind of with you, though, Brownie.

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Speaker 3: I'm really struggling to keep my weekend straight right now.

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Speaker 2: We got all kinds. I don't know what it is

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Speaker 2: we're talking about something and you're talking about a play

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Speaker 3: So this next weekend is the Blue and Red return

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Speaker 3: And also on that Monday is the Jim Kelly Golf

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Speaker 2: Whatever.

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Speaker 2: No, that's this weekend.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're not. People in Western New York know this.

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Speaker 2: We can do it outside.

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Speaker 3: There's nineteen things every weekend that you don't want to miss.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. My uh right, My wife and I just got

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Speaker 2: a couple of paddle boards. I'm not joking. If you

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Speaker 2: I was like, as long as it keeps me afloat,

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Speaker 2: It's your little safety tip. Safety tip. Well you're you know,

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Speaker 2: with your safety tips from Brownie segment segment. Yeah, so

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Speaker 2: we're exciting. We just gone a huge problem.

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Speaker 3: We can't keep track of our weekends because there's literally

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Speaker 3: everybody's got like a half a dozen things that you

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Speaker 3: really want. Party, Friday night, party during the day, Saturday party,

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Speaker 3: it's in one way it's awesome because you know all

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Speaker 3: like you can't do all of it.

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Speaker 2: And then this season so short, and when all is

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Speaker 2: hard knocks, and it's not. Well, that was me that

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Speaker 2: there it is. Let's uh, when you did all of that,

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Speaker 2: I'll admit like, uh, no, you're wrong, you're wrong, You're wrong. Uh,

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Speaker 2: let's forget about all that and go around the NFL

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Speaker 2: presented by Kalida Health, the official healthcare system of the

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Speaker 2: Buffalo Bills and Chiefs. Wide receiver Xavier are Worthy left

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Speaker 2: yesterday's practice after banging his head. Head Coach Andy Reid

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Speaker 3: Fifty granted day, think about that, fifty thousand dollars a day.

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Speaker 2: I think this is some guys won't do that. So

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Speaker 3: Here's the thing too, though, He's making eighteen million dollars

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Speaker 2: The other two guys are making forty.

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Speaker 3: So there's always that that balance. You take the money now,

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Speaker 2: That, so unless you're Hendrickson, right.

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Speaker 3: And here's the thing, Cincinnati was betting on Henderson Hendrickson

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because they're like, we're not going to do it

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Speaker 3: When they signed him to the contract four years ago,

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Speaker 2: Well, he was an accomplished pass rusher before the last contract.

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Speaker 3: Right, So they get the guy. I mean, it's hard,

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Speaker 3: it's business. I get it, And both sides have valid

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Speaker 2: And we like talk and take that back. He signed

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Speaker 3: We talk about it and all that, and it is

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Speaker 2: He's not practicing. He's there at practice walking around in

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Speaker 3: Finally signed to say, hey, no hard feelings. I'm sure

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Speaker 3: he's in there going, no, this is great. You guys

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Speaker 3: Come on, that's great now, Hendrickson is mentoring him in

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Speaker 2: Also in Bengals camp, a couple of transactions. Sener Seth

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Speaker 3: You know, I'll say this and people, we say it

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Speaker 3: Yep, that's how. That's why mc collins started going barefoot. It,

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Speaker 3: you know, step by step, day by day, it made

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Speaker 2: There's something in that too, but there you have it.

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Speaker 2: And were really bad. After he finished playing. Yeah, really bad.

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Speaker 2: You gotta get them. They got to be healthy. Veteran

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Speaker 2: to be completely different now. From twenty twenty four, Jalen

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're completely different.

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Speaker 2: Do you think the Bills are undergoing change in their secondary?

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Speaker 2: The implosion is already happening. They just don't know it yet. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Right, I mean it's just I mean, look, we've seen

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Speaker 2: Like season enders. Oh yeah, so there, that's gonna be tough.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's really it seems like it's collapsing on

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Speaker 2: Well, I think they will.

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Speaker 3: They have to score thirty thirty plus points a game

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Speaker 2: But yeah, that's that's that's a rough go down there.

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Speaker 3: Like they made some moves, some of them, and see

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Speaker 3: how many of them, Like every like every move. When

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Speaker 3: There's always some that's saying, oh, yeah, that's pretty good move.

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Speaker 3: And then there's others that are like, I.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if I can get the same level

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Speaker 2: I mean, he signed some big names this offseason, did,

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Speaker 2: has prime left, but maybe maybe not Lawrence or Cup.

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Speaker 3: Donald and Donald even in and of itself, even if

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Speaker 3: they signed him for middle market money, which they didn't.

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Speaker 3: They didn't break the bank on him, but still.

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Speaker 2: Where there's one hundred million.

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Speaker 3: But he had the best year of his career.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, with O'Connell.

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Speaker 3: With O'Connell, and when they needed him the most, he

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Speaker 3: folded with.

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Speaker 2: An all star receiving corps. Let's not forget either.

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Speaker 3: They crushed everybody regular seat and it was going great

443
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Speaker 3: and said it the moment they needed him to step

444
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Speaker 3: the moment they needed him to step up, he wasn't there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he disappeared and their season was done, an early

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Speaker 2: exit from them.

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Speaker 3: And that's the guy that Seattle signed to a big

448
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Speaker 3: contract in.

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Speaker 2: Three years, one hundred point five million. Now I have

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Speaker 2: read that it's essentially a one year deal, like in

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Speaker 2: terms of what's lock stock and barrel. Obviously that other

452
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Speaker 2: money can be earned if you know, he lasts the

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Speaker 2: life of the contract. But if he has a crumbing

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Speaker 2: year this year and does not prove to be the guy,

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Speaker 2: they do have a way to get out of that. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And that's all about, yeah, saving cap money, and he'll

457
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Speaker 3: probably have to take one good year of hat cap

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Speaker 3: hit and then.

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Speaker 2: They can reset. Yeah, because they got a guy waiting

460
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Speaker 2: in the wings. They drafted Jalen Milroe. Don't forget that either, right,

461
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Speaker 2: he was the third round pick. Alb the former Alabama

462
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Speaker 2: quarterback who's a ridanculous athlete. And then finally, NFL Commissioner

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Speaker 2: Roger Goodell, two days after the shooting in Manhattan on

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Speaker 2: Park Avenue in the building that houses the NFL offices,

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Speaker 2: is having all employees at the NFL offices working remotely

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Speaker 2: for the foreseeable future as the investigation continues of the

467
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Speaker 2: now deceased assailant who shot up that office building and

468
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Speaker 2: unfortunately killed four people in the process. So probably a

469
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Speaker 2: wise move there because can you imagine having to go

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Speaker 2: to work the next day after a shooting at your office, Like,

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Speaker 2: that's just that's unnerving.

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Speaker 3: It's it's akin to the same emotional distress you'd feel

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Speaker 3: after DeMar's incident.

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Speaker 2: Nobody was right after that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it takes a while, and I totally

476
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Speaker 3: get it.

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Speaker 2: I totally get it. So that is around the NFL

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Speaker 2: presented by Kalida Health, the official health care system of

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Speaker 2: the Buffalo Bills, topic of discussion for you today. We

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Speaker 2: know that we've seen the Bills sustain some injuries here,

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Speaker 2: so we're asking you this question and we want you

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Speaker 2: to kind of give us your answer and why the

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Speaker 2: depth of which position group will be most critical to

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Speaker 2: the Bills in twenty twenty five. Brandon, being in his

485
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Speaker 2: personnel department, have moved heaven and earth to try to

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Speaker 2: fill any and all position holes on this roster. Either

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Speaker 2: from a starting perspective or a depth perspective. You tell

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Speaker 2: us the depth of which position group will be most

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Speaker 2: critical to the Bills in twenty twenty five. Eight oh three,

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Speaker 2: five point fifty one, eighty eight, five fifty two, five

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Speaker 2: fifty Those are the numbers to join us. We got

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Speaker 2: open lines for you right now. Can't give us a call.

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Speaker 2: Hit us up on the tweets sheet at One Bill's Live.

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Speaker 2: We got to take a break here, but we're taking

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Speaker 2: your phone calls. Next on One Bill's Live, presented by

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Speaker 2: a colt of Health, it's Buffalo Bill's Rating. Back here

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Speaker 2: on One Bill's Live. Chris Brown Steeds tasker in the

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Speaker 2: studio today. Since it is an off day for the

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Speaker 2: players at training camp. We'll be back out of training

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Speaker 2: camp tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: I'll just say I just it's so nice to be

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Speaker 3: back in the air conditioning. Were how was melting as

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Speaker 3: it was two days ago Monday?

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Speaker 2: I was not prepared.

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Speaker 3: Yesterday it was a little better, but we were having

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Speaker 3: a conversation just in the break right here. Now, what's

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Speaker 3: the perfect air conditioning?

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Speaker 2: Say? What do you the setting? Describe temperature?

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Speaker 3: Describe it for me if I come from outside, if

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Speaker 3: I'm outside for fifteen minutes, when I come inside, it's

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Speaker 3: got to feel like, oh yeah, I mean I gotta

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Speaker 3: feel it where.

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Speaker 2: Well, where do you said it at? What's your temperature?

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Speaker 2: I think it's like sixty eight. Yeah, that's probably the

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Speaker 2: low end for me, right, but I'm not above seventy.

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Speaker 3: I'll say this in the days that's somewhere between sixty

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Speaker 3: eight in the years.

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Speaker 2: That I traveled. You know, when you're probably like this too.

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Speaker 2: You go into a hotel room and you.

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Speaker 3: Crank it down, like the sixty five or something so

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Speaker 3: you can snuggle down and sleep at night, you know,

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Speaker 3: and get a cool in the air.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if I put it down that far.

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Speaker 2: I've learned my lesson.

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Speaker 3: I now set the AC in a hotel room seventy one,

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Speaker 3: because when I get set it too cold, it wakes

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Speaker 3: me up and I have to hunker back down. You know,

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Speaker 3: it always feels good in cozy.

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Speaker 2: I usually sleep in a hotel room.

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Speaker 3: The problem is I put it at seventy one. The

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Speaker 3: problem is, I said it. So I used to set

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Speaker 3: it so cold. I would wake up because I was cold.

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Speaker 3: Then I set it up to seventy one and maybe

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Speaker 3: a little less comfortable going to sleep or cozy going.

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Speaker 2: To sleep, but I don't wake up. Yeah, that was

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Speaker 2: the key for me, because I'm telling you, man, I'm

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Speaker 2: a furnace under there. I sleep with a sheet if

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Speaker 2: that otherwise I got kicked off. And it's kicked off

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Speaker 2: in the summertime. Back in the day when I'm I

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Speaker 2: sleep on top of my bed spreading.

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Speaker 3: When we go on football trips for games and stuff,

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Speaker 3: it was the thing was cranked down to like you

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Speaker 3: could see your breath because we're everybody run everybody, you know,

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Speaker 3: our furnaces were so hot. You're young, and you're bulletproofing

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Speaker 3: in shape, and you're you're adrenaline's kicking and you're on

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Speaker 3: a game day on I slate, pack me in ice, please,

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Speaker 3: you know. So everybody had their ac turned the four

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Speaker 3: down as it would go.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I believe it. Topic of discussion for you today

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Speaker 2: the depth of which position group will be most critical

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Speaker 2: to the bills in twenty twenty five eight oh three oh,

552
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Speaker 2: five point fifty one, eighty eight, five fifty two, five

553
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Speaker 2: fifty those the numbers to jump on board, and we

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Speaker 2: go to the phones, and leading us off today is

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Speaker 2: Steve up in Niagara Falls. What do you got for Steve?

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Speaker 4: Hey, good afternoon, guys.

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Speaker 5: So I'll chime in on that, but I'll let you know.

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Speaker 5: I keep my house at seventy okay, and uh when

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Speaker 5: I get home from work. I work in a field

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Speaker 5: where I was very physic going hot and sweaty, and

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Speaker 5: I get home and my wife's turned it up to

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Speaker 5: seventy four because she stays home with the kids. And

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Speaker 5: I'm like, what's going on here? And She's like, oh,

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Speaker 5: I was cold and I just have to roll my

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Speaker 5: eyes and walk down to change into a bathing suit

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Speaker 5: and go in the pool. But that's seventy is where

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Speaker 5: I like it anyway. That's just yah, you know, part

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Speaker 5: of that conversation. So when it comes to critical depth

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Speaker 5: on a team, this is a hill I would die on.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 5: Every year I feel like it's the trenches.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 5: Offensive line is great, depth there is better, but defensive line,

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Speaker 5: especially because the defensive line having the depth there getting

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Speaker 5: to the quarterback, getting the pressure in the run game.

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Speaker 5: It makes you know, and I feel like I've said

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Speaker 5: this before, maybe it makes the entire defense better.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 5: It gives the corners and safeties less time to have

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Speaker 5: to cover someone. It gives the linebackers a chance to

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Speaker 5: hit the holes better if they got some guys clogging

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Speaker 5: up the tackles. So I say, defensive line, I think

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Speaker 5: they addressed that phenomenally in the off season. Obviously we

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Speaker 5: need to see that, you know, flip to game time

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Speaker 5: and see how they do. But both of the offensive

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Speaker 5: line and defensive line, those are the positions I would

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Speaker 5: say that the depth is critical. So that's what I got, guys.

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Speaker 7: I hope you have a good day, all right, Thanks Steve.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's not wrong. I will say this, Steve. The

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Speaker 2: depth on both the offensive and defensive line, it's improved

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Speaker 2: dramatically just in the last two off seasons. If you

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Speaker 2: think about it, all the investment that's been made in

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Speaker 2: the draft for the offensive and defensive lines the last

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Speaker 2: two years. I mean, you're talking about Osiris, Torrance, Cedric

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Speaker 2: Van Pran Granger on defense, Walker Jackson Sanders. Like that's

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Speaker 2: five guys alone, you know, in the last two drafts.

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Speaker 3: It brings up a good point we Chase Lunt, I've

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Speaker 3: said it this year. One of my core beliefs is

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Speaker 3: you start with the offensive line and on defense. It's

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Speaker 3: the same way you work from the from the ball

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Speaker 3: out when you build a roster. He's right after up.

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Speaker 3: You know you're not having the conversations with corners, and

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Speaker 3: you know because you hear the injuries and the wide

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Speaker 3: out and the whole thing.

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Speaker 2: He's right.

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Speaker 3: The most important two groups on your team are the

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Speaker 3: big guys. We talk about how important they are in

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Speaker 3: the draft, how hard they are to find, how much

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Speaker 3: quality guys can make a difference you get. And if

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Speaker 3: all your hopes and dreams come true, that's a position

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Speaker 3: group that can derail all of it, like it did

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Speaker 3: the Chiefs last year. They're fifteen and two in the

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Speaker 3: regular season and absolutely get crushed in the Super Bowl

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Speaker 3: because because their offensive line is a mess. So that

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Speaker 3: is a statement, Steve from Niagara Falls. That's a statement

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Speaker 3: you can make any single year you want to and

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Speaker 3: it'll be valid.

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Speaker 2: And it was only it was only reinforced by the

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Speaker 2: Super Bowl champions this past year because the Eagles had

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Speaker 2: one of the biggest offensive lines in the league, and

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Speaker 2: they do have some depth. I don't think their depth

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Speaker 2: on the offensive line is as good as Buffalo's. And

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Speaker 2: then defensively, I mean, my gosh, like it's just a

624
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Speaker 2: cavalcade of stars and pass rushers and gigantic humans, most

625
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Speaker 2: of whom are from the University of Georgia for that

626
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Speaker 2: Eagles team, and they rode that all the way to

627
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Speaker 2: the Super Bowl and dominated in the Super Bowl because

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Speaker 2: of it. Yes, so for that reason alone, that's good call, Steve. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: let's get back to the phones at eight oh three

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Speaker 2: oh five fifty open lines for you. There, we go

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Speaker 2: to Bill in cheek Towaganas. What's up, Bill?

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Speaker 6: How you doing? Guys good? I would say the defensive line,

633
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Speaker 6: especially with the two veterans, and that's going to be

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Speaker 6: available until week six, oh Nonjobi, Right, Yeah, you know,

635
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Speaker 6: the young guys are going to have to step up

636
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Speaker 6: big time, and I think that's going to be critical

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Speaker 6: for them.

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Speaker 2: It certainly will be for the first month and a

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Speaker 2: half of the season.

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Speaker 6: I mean, yeah, yeah, sure will.

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Speaker 2: I mean they got to get those guys ready to

642
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Speaker 2: not only dress on game day, but play significant snaps. Yes,

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Speaker 2: you know you have ed Day Kwon and Dwayne Carter,

644
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Speaker 2: the second year player. But after that, knowing Ogen Joby's

645
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Speaker 2: out of the mix, you know, you're talking Zion log

646
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 2: landon jack or not landon Jackson. He's not an interior guy,

647
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Speaker 2: Dion Walker and t J Sanders, So those guys are

648
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Speaker 2: gonna have to play.

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Speaker 3: And you know, you always spin it, you know, Bills

650
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Speaker 3: fans like every other fan base, but Bills fans, you know,

651
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Speaker 3: you spin this positive. It's like, without Hoyt and Ogin Joby,

652
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 3: what's gonna well? You may find out some really good

653
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 3: stuff about Dion Walker and the young guys that are

654
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 3: in there, you know, Carter the whole thing. You might

655
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 3: find out some really good stuff you know about t J.

656
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 3: Sanders and about those guys. And then in six weeks

657
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 3: when Hoyt and Ogen Joby are available, it's like, wow,

658
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 3: now what do we do. It's almost like one of

659
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 3: the you'd hope that that may happen. That over a

660
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 3: month and a half, those three or four young guys

661
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 3: show out pretty good and are getting better, and it's

662
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 3: almost the point where, gosh, I don't want to I

663
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 3: don't want to derail the progress they've made by setting

664
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 3: them down now or taking out the Hopefully that's a

665
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 3: problem the Bills have h and it'll serve him well

666
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 3: later in the in the regular season if they do

667
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 3: indeed need to lean on that depth. But that you

668
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 3: know it, that would be a great way for it

669
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 3: to work out. Although maybe it's a pipe dream. Maybe

670
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 3: I don't know.

671
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of rookies on the defensive line

672
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:49,439
Speaker 2: that played a lot right away. Russeau did Ed did

673
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 2: Ed did? Those are first round draft choices. So did

674
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 2: played an affair and he was a rotational player, but

675
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:05,399
Speaker 2: he played. So yeah, it's I mean, especially with the suspensions,

676
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 2: I mean, you're only taking Oga Joby out of the

677
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 2: defensive interior mix.

678
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 3: But do this, what do you think this brownie? So

679
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 3: you put you got Epinessa Rousseau as guys in the

680
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 3: recent past who have played as young players.

681
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 2: How does land and Jackson land on that? What do you?

682
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 2: I think it's TVD right now right because of the

683
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 2: veterans in front of him, because we didn't didn't even

684
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 2: mention Bosa. You know, it's Epinessa and Solomon who's getting

685
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 2: some primo snaps in camp through the first week here.

686
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 2: I mean he got playing time last year. Granted it

687
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 2: was mop up duty, you know, the Monday night Jacksonville game,

688
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 2: right the throwaway Week eighteen game against the Patriots up

689
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,800
Speaker 2: in New England. And there were a couple of others

690
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:54,760
Speaker 2: where Solomon got snaps. Jets game here late in the season.

691
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 2: You know, he's getting snaps for that one. But I

692
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 2: think it's served him well. And when we had him

693
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 2: here in studio in the spring during OTA's I remember

694
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,959
Speaker 2: we were asking him, you know, you had about half

695
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 2: a dozen almost sacks. What have you done through your

696
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 2: film study and your technique work to turn those almost

697
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 2: sacks into sacks and quarterback takedowns? And he goes, that

698
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 2: is the number one thing I've been focused on, and

699
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 2: we've seen him get some good reps in camp through

700
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 2: the first week.

701
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 3: That's what That's what jumped out to me last year

702
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 3: when he first saw him. I was like, man, look

703
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 3: at that, because he was he's athletically gifted. He's got

704
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 3: great explosion his and his arms and hands. We talked

705
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 3: about he's got long arms and huge hands. Even though

706
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,919
Speaker 3: he's not a really tall guy, he's got really long arms,

707
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:47,359
Speaker 3: huge hands, and he's got some strength you know, so

708
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 3: you figure at some point if he can put all

709
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 3: that together, come up with a skill set or a

710
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 3: repertoire that.

711
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:57,879
Speaker 2: Makes it hard for tackles to block him. I mean

712
00:36:57,920 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 2: he's he can't help, but.

713
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 3: You know, become a player that you know, he's on

714
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 3: the field a lot, not just in mop up dude.

715
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 2: I mean, people forget the guy led the nation in

716
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 2: sacks as a senior in college at Troy with sixteen.

717
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 2: I know it's college, but sixteen is a lot. Yeah,

718
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 2: so I'm very I guess my point is a guy

719
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 2: like Landon Jackson, he's sitting behind all of those dudes,

720
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 2: including Solomon, in the pecking order right now. Now. If

721
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:32,879
Speaker 2: he has a show up and show out preseason game,

722
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 2: that could change things quickly. But to this point, Epanessa, Bosa, Rousseau, Solomon, like,

723
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 2: they're all ahead of Jackson in the rotation right now,

724
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:47,240
Speaker 2: on the edge.

725
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 3: So yeah, I'll be interested to see how much of

726
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 3: an effect the game this preseason games have on the

727
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,399
Speaker 3: rotation and who plays who doesn't. Because there's no way

728
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 3: Greg Russo and Ajpiness are gonna go out there and

729
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 3: take fifty snaps, right, Somebody's gonna be taking a lot

730
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 3: of snaps.

731
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 2: And Hoyt obviously is ahead of Jackson as well in

732
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 2: the rotation, but we know he's out of the mix

733
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 2: for the first six games.

734
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:15,240
Speaker 3: Do you here's do you play Hoyt and Ogan Joby

735
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:16,280
Speaker 3: a ton in the preseason?

736
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 2: Brownie? What do you think? I don't know that you

737
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 2: need to because they're veteran players. Yes, it's a new system,

738
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,359
Speaker 2: so I would play them some, knowing you can't get

739
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 2: them game conditioning in the regular season. I don't play

740
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 2: them in an ordinate amount because you got to get

741
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,359
Speaker 2: those young guys ready. They're the ones that really have

742
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 2: to play.

743
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:38,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, somebody's gonna take their place in the regular They're.

744
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 2: The ones that have to play because you need them

745
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 2: to be ready for Week one. I'm playing the young

746
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 2: guys more than those two.

747
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 3: So it might be just the opposite of that. Hoyt

748
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 3: and Ogan Joeb we never see the field.

749
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 2: I don't know about never though. You want to get

750
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 2: them in quote unquote game shape even though they go

751
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 2: away for six weeks. I don't try to develop some

752
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 2: game shape to them and can place them up in

753
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 2: the preseason. It might be just the opposite those guys

754
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 2: they're gonna play a lot. They got to play them

755
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 2: a little bit, not even suit up. You know, they

756
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 2: got to get used to playing off the other guys

757
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 2: they're gonna be lining up with when they get back.

758
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 2: So I think you that with live pull is in

759
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 2: some degree they're back in the building two weeks before

760
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 2: they can take the field, right. But they're not gonna

761
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 2: play in.

762
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 3: A game, no, but they can get it.

763
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 2: I think they gotta play a little bit.

764
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 3: Think you shell them, You got other things to think about.

765
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 3: Six weeks. Six weeks is a lot of games, and

766
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 3: you gotta get the young guy. You gotta know what

767
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 3: you got in the young guys as fast as you

768
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 3: can find out. And you can't do it without reps.

769
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 3: So Hoyt and Ogan Joby are almost get They almost

770
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 3: get in the way for the first month, and I have.

771
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 2: They rotate enough where I don't think you have to

772
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 2: worry about that because you know Ed's not gonna play

773
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 2: a ton. Rousseau is not going to play a ton

774
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 2: in the preseason, neither is Bosa. So those three guys

775
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 2: are out of the equation already. So my point is,

776
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 2: I'm agreeing with you in large to a large degree.

777
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 2: But I'm just saying, knowing those three guys are gonna

778
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 2: play sparingly in the preseason because they're presumed starters, I

779
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 2: think there's enough room to get Hoyd and Ogunjobi in

780
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 2: game shape as best you can through the preseason knowing

781
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 2: they're not gonna be playing for a month and a half,

782
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 2: while also getting the much needed reps for the rookies

783
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:22,399
Speaker 2: up front, so they're ready for Week one, two, three, four,

784
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 2: and five.

785
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe we'll see, Yeah, we'll see.

786
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:28,839
Speaker 2: Gotta take a break here, but we are asking you

787
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 2: the depth of which position group will be most critical

788
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,800
Speaker 2: to the Bills in twenty twenty five, taking your phone

789
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:36,879
Speaker 2: calls next to Ato three oh five fifty open lines

790
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 2: for you. There, We're back in a flash here on

791
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:53,320
Speaker 2: one Bill's Live. Stay tuned, all right, we have an

792
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 2: update on Maxwell Harriston's injury. A Fox Sports report from

793
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 2: Jordan Schultz's reporting that Max Harrison avoided serious injury after

794
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 2: leaving yesterday's practice with a non contact knee issue. It's

795
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 2: believed to be a sprain and he's considered week to week.

796
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 2: So it looks like the crisis has been averted here

797
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 2: for Max Harrison. That again according to Fox Sports Jordan Schultz.

798
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:22,839
Speaker 2: So no confirmation diagnoses prognosis from the team, but we'll

799
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 2: see if that comes down in the coming days. So

800
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 2: it looks as though Harrison has dodged a major bullet

801
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:33,399
Speaker 2: here early in training camp. So certainly good news if

802
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 2: it proves to be accurate. We want to get back

803
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,240
Speaker 2: to the phones at eight O three oh five fifty

804
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Speaker 2: one eight eight eight five fifty two five point fifty

805
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 2: the depth of which position group will be most critical

806
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 2: to the Bills in twenty twenty five. You let us

807
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:49,919
Speaker 2: know at aight o three oh five fifty and back

808
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 2: to the phones we go, and to Art in Rochester.

809
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:53,760
Speaker 2: What's up art.

810
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 8: Hey, Nice talking with you again, great show. I was

811
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 8: going to talk about Maxwell Harrison me because the last

812
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 8: report I heard was that he had a torn a

813
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 8: c L but you just updated it to a spring

814
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:11,879
Speaker 8: so you know, I mean, he will return probably at

815
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 8: some point in the season. But backup depth there is

816
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 8: what I understand was they said that you know, Tradevius

817
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 8: White came back to the team and that we all

818
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 8: know how much of an outstanding player he was, and

819
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 8: they said that he will be taking the CB two

820
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 8: stamps all of them at this point. If you think

821
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 8: he can handle that, and that's a question marker. It

822
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 8: could be great, depending on whether he can still do

823
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:44,800
Speaker 8: it or not. And the other question I want to

824
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,359
Speaker 8: add to that is is I heard that they they

825
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 8: said that Jackson Pause is having a great camp and

826
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 8: that at tight end, and so what are your what

827
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 8: are your thoughts on that?

828
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 2: Okay, Steve, you want to handle the Trey White stuff first?

829
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 2: Thanks hard for But.

830
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:03,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, certainly there's no question that Trey White can mentally

831
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:06,839
Speaker 3: handle the CB two slot. The question was he's coming

832
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:10,320
Speaker 3: off two major injuries in ACL and then popped achilles,

833
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 3: but he's further away from it. And last year it's

834
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 3: been reported widely by Brandon Bean himself, who said, listen,

835
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,720
Speaker 3: I watched him on tape, and last year, the last

836
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:28,720
Speaker 3: half of last season when he landed with the Baltimore Ravens,

837
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 3: he started playing like the tradevious White we drafted in

838
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 3: twenty seventeen, much more like the athlete we knew we

839
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 3: were getting at corner. So having that under his belt

840
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 3: and now coming in having another total off season to

841
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 3: get healthier, further away from the injury, I don't think

842
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 3: there's any question Tradevius White. Now, certainly he's going to

843
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 3: be long in the two finger quotes for a corner,

844
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 3: but he's still in great shape and he's still on

845
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 3: the right side. I think he's the right side of thirty,

846
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:58,439
Speaker 3: isn't he? Is he or close to it?

847
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 2: Is he thirty? He's close, but he's right there.

848
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:04,879
Speaker 3: So he's by no means when you're talking for being

849
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 3: a player this season. Maybe next year or the year after,

850
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 3: maybe not, But this year I think you're going to

851
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 3: get a really good version of Trey White and he'll

852
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 3: be able to lock down to cover a corner spot easily,

853
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 3: either starting or as a backup. And you're right, it

854
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,399
Speaker 3: is good news about Max Harrison. It looks like it's

855
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:23,240
Speaker 3: going to be week to week, which means what Max

856
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 3: max of two weeks.

857
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 2: He'll be he'll be out. Yeah. Uh in my opinion,

858
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 2: we don't know that.

859
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 3: But yeah, you're talking about days, not weeks, and yeah, yeah,

860
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,399
Speaker 3: so it's it's very good news for Max Harrion.

861
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 2: Through the first week of camp, Trey White had been

862
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:40,720
Speaker 2: taking the bulk of the first team reps. Max Harrison

863
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 2: would rotate in for him. Before the first unit was

864
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 2: off the field, and then Max would stay on with

865
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 2: the second group, and that had kind of been the

866
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Speaker 2: way it was going for a little bit there obviously

867
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Speaker 2: until the injury yesterday. So we'll see when Harriston is

868
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 2: back in the fray. The report is a week to

869
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 2: week injury, so probably the rest of this week and

870
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 2: we'll have to see if he can get back on

871
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 2: the field in advance of the first preseason game. As

872
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 2: for Jackson Hawes, yes, he's having a good camp so far.

873
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 2: You heard Connor McGovern on the Show with Us yesterday.

874
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 2: Steve asked him, you know what player has impressed you

875
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 2: the most, and he said Jackson Hawes. More for his

876
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:23,240
Speaker 2: blocking ability than anything else. He's executing some complex stuff

877
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 2: within the framework of the scheme. He's also factored into

878
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 2: the receiving game. I would call him a short to

879
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 2: intermedia type target, not a guy that's going to be

880
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,840
Speaker 2: deep down the field or even pushing the seam, you know,

881
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 2: on safeties. But he's been serviceable and pretty reliable and

882
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 2: for a rookie, pretty consistent, so encouraging science. It's the

883
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 2: underlying tones to him.

884
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 3: He's not making mental mistakes right, that kind of thing,

885
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 3: So he's even if he's not doing anything perfect, He's

886
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:53,839
Speaker 3: doing the right thing, imperfect.

887
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 2: So yeah, exactly right. So we have to take a

888
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 2: break here, but when we come back, hour number two

889
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 2: is going to begin with ESPN Plus analyst Aaron shottz

890
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 2: Uh formerly of Football Outsiders. He now does some fantasy

891
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 2: analytics as well, and we'll catch up with him. He's

892
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 2: got his almanac out. I love to talk to him

893
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 2: about that, among other things concerning the Bills when we

894
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 2: return here on one Bill's Live presented by Colida Health.

895
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 2: It's Buffalo Bills.

896
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 1: Radio One Bills Live presented by Calllida Health.

897
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 2: All Right, second hour of the show here on a Wednesday,

898
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 2: Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you here on one Live

899
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 2: and happy to welcome in now a man who has

900
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 2: been hard at work all off season to get his

901
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:09,720
Speaker 2: football almanac out, and he has done it. ESPN NFL

902
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 2: analyst Aaron Shotts joining us, also the chief analytics officer

903
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 2: at FTN Fantasy and his FTN Football Almanac twenty twenty

904
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Speaker 2: five is now available. Aaron, congrats on finishing that, because

905
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 2: that is voluminous, to say the least for those that

906
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:32,800
Speaker 2: aren't familiar with your almanac. Why don't you just lay

907
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 2: out what it contains and to whom it might be

908
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 2: most useful.

909
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 9: Well, I mean, if you're a football fan, you're gonna

910
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 9: like it. We do have chapters on all thirty two

911
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 9: teams with the most accurate team projections, all kinds of

912
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 9: fantasy football projections from Jeff Radcliffe. Wo's an award winning

913
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 9: projections guy from FTN, and all the writing that people

914
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 9: know from the book was called Football Outsiders Almanac for

915
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 9: a long time. Now it's the FTN Football Almanac. You know,

916
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 9: we watch a lot of film, we do a lot

917
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,240
Speaker 9: of stats, We explain it all, there are jokes.

918
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:09,399
Speaker 7: We put it all together in a big package every year.

919
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it is it really a reference guide?

920
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 2: Am I?

921
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 4: Right?

922
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:16,839
Speaker 3: It's almost like a phone book almost where you can

923
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 3: go in there and check out stats and the whole

924
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 3: kit and kaboodle.

925
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 2: Plus it's a little more than that, right, Yeah.

926
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 9: All kinds of stats trends from last year. You know

927
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 9: how often each team played nickel and base and dime,

928
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 9: and you know how good each player was in advanced

929
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 9: stats plus projections and what we think is going to

930
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 9: happen this year. And also if you haven't been completely

931
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 9: paying attention to the other thirty one teams, a really

932
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 9: good discussion of what's going on with all thirty two teams. Right,

933
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 9: y'all know the Bills really well, but you may not

934
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 9: know what's going on with the Arizona Cardinals. But if

935
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 9: you want to know all thirty two teams, well, we

936
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:52,439
Speaker 9: go in depth on all thirty two.

937
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 2: All right, So why don't you, you know, give our

938
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 2: listening audience a sneak peak of what they're probably interested

939
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 2: in in terms of just your projections and thoughts on

940
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:02,880
Speaker 2: the Bills for twenty twenty five.

941
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:07,280
Speaker 9: The Bills have our number one win projection for twenty

942
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 9: twenty five. I mean, it's don't need to put it

943
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 9: any more complicated than that. They're the team we project

944
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 9: with the most wins. We have them second in our

945
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 9: DVOA Advanced stat projection. But Baltimore, which is number one,

946
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 9: has a much harder schedule than the Bills, and that

947
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 9: Week one game is hugely, hugely important for playoff seating.

948
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Speaker 7: I don't need to tell anybody.

949
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:33,240
Speaker 9: This, we all know it. The Bills are a great team.

950
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 9: They're not a perfect team. I know Brandon Bean doesn't

951
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 9: want to hear about the wide receivers, but there's a

952
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 9: little bit of weakness in the wide receivers. But there's

953
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:43,439
Speaker 9: so many good players on this team and a great

954
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 9: quarterback and a good coaching staff, and I mean, we

955
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:48,400
Speaker 9: think this is one of the top teams in the league.

956
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 3: And how much variation if you had to name one

957
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 3: of the thirty two teams, which team went from like

958
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:58,320
Speaker 3: worse to first? Which team is going to come from nowhere?

959
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 3: Or is there one?

960
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 9: We like Jacksonville as our favorite in the AFC South

961
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 9: this year because we think their defense can be better

962
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 9: and we think their offense can be better with Liam

963
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:13,359
Speaker 9: Cohen hopefully unlocking Trevor Lawrence a bit. You know, he's

964
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:16,360
Speaker 9: got Brian Thomas and now he's got Travis Hunter. To

965
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:18,720
Speaker 9: the other team that I think a lot of people

966
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Speaker 9: are not thinking about that we like this year is Arizona.

967
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Speaker 9: We do like their defense, but they're obviously in a

968
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 9: very tough division with the forty nine ers, who are

969
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:30,279
Speaker 9: gonna be much better this year, and the Rams, and

970
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 9: they just lost one of their starting cornerbacks per a.

971
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Speaker 7: Year with torn acls Darling Thomas.

972
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Speaker 2: Right, And you mentioned when I asked you about the Bills,

973
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:44,799
Speaker 2: the schedule. Can you just maybe explain how schedule is

974
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,840
Speaker 2: factored in to your projections, because I still think in

975
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 2: this day and age, a lot of fans don't consider

976
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:55,880
Speaker 2: the schedule, and it's a big factor every year, not

977
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:59,800
Speaker 2: only in how the schedule lays out. I thought the

978
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:03,360
Speaker 2: I mean, we know, just by the old school, you

979
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:05,720
Speaker 2: know strength the schedule numbers, they had the fifth easiest

980
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 2: schedule coming into this year. That isn't always completely accurate,

981
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 2: but even the hardest games that they have are arguably

982
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 2: at home Ravens, Chiefs, Eagles. People think the Bengals will

983
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 2: be a hard game. I would argue the Bucks might

984
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 2: be just as hard. They're all at home, and they're

985
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 2: also all spread out on the schedule, they're not sandwiched together.

986
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 2: But maybe just outline how you guys factor the schedule

987
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 2: in to your projections.

988
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 9: First of all, you're right about the Buccaneers. The Buccaneers

989
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:39,280
Speaker 9: are not a team that just gets a free buy

990
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 9: into the playoff because their division is easy. They are

991
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 9: a good team with good players and somewhat underrated. Look,

992
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 9: schedule strength is not a perfect science. We know that

993
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 9: some of these teams will be better or worse than

994
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:57,840
Speaker 9: we're projecting quarterbacks will get injured and so on. But

995
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 9: we do do our schedule strength based on our projections,

996
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:04,799
Speaker 9: not based on how good teams were last year. We

997
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:07,799
Speaker 9: know that it is very likely, for example, that the

998
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,240
Speaker 9: New England Patriots are going to be better this year

999
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:13,360
Speaker 9: than they were last year. So the projection playing the

1000
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 9: Patriots twice is based on what we think they'll be

1001
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,240
Speaker 9: this year, which is close to a five hundred team,

1002
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 9: not what they were last year. But for the whole division,

1003
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 9: the AFC East, they all have easy schedules, primarily because

1004
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 9: the NFC South, other than the Buccaneers, looks really bad,

1005
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 9: and that is three pretty easy wins on the schedule.

1006
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:34,840
Speaker 9: And then we think the Texans are not going to

1007
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 9: be quite as good as last year, and there's a

1008
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 9: couple of other teams that the Bills play that we

1009
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 9: think are not quite as good as they were last year,

1010
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 9: and so overall it comes out to an easy schedule,

1011
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 9: certainly easier than what the Ravens have.

1012
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 3: Also, what you did is you went down all thirty

1013
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:51,360
Speaker 3: two teams and you rank them how good the overall

1014
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:53,759
Speaker 3: roster level of talent is. You got the Bills at

1015
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 3: number four, give us an idea, and we can probably

1016
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 3: name one or two of the teams above them. What

1017
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 3: are the other three teams above the Bills in your

1018
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 3: roster rankings?

1019
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 9: Yeah, we just did that for ESPN. I worked on

1020
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:10,399
Speaker 9: that along with Ben Solak and Seth Walder. And I'm

1021
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 9: trying to remember which teams were ahead of the Bills.

1022
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 9: I know that Baltimore was in Philadelphia was I don't

1023
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 9: remember who was the third team that we had ahead

1024
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 9: of them. But those are two very good, very deep

1025
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:27,319
Speaker 9: rosters with Baltimore and Philadelphia. Look, my numbers love Baltimore

1026
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 9: every year. The last couple of years, They've just been

1027
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 9: outstanding in the regular season. It's hard to explain why

1028
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 9: they don't win in the playoffs. Part of the problem

1029
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 9: is the four best quarterbacks in the NFL are in

1030
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:41,360
Speaker 9: the same conference, so only one of them gets to

1031
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:42,799
Speaker 9: go to the super Bowl every year.

1032
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:45,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's right, AFC. We know it's mostly been

1033
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 2: Mahomes much to our Cha Grin. There's been a lot

1034
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 2: of talks through the course of this offseason about a

1035
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 2: possible extension for James Cook. You have another player in

1036
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 2: mind on Buffalo's roster that you think could be their

1037
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 2: final offseason move some other player that you think would

1038
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 2: make sense for an extension in David Edwards, tell us why.

1039
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 9: Because he's a good offensive lineman and you don't want

1040
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 9: to have your offensive line messed up from.

1041
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:16,879
Speaker 7: Year to year.

1042
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:19,839
Speaker 9: You know, you want to have continuity. Continuity is really

1043
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:23,920
Speaker 9: important on the offensive line. James Cook is a good back.

1044
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:26,920
Speaker 9: But the problem with the NFL and running backs is

1045
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 9: that it's filled with good backs. The problem with the

1046
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 9: NFL is not that there aren't a lot of good

1047
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 9: running backs. It's that there's too many of them, so

1048
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 9: it's easy to get them. And in fact, the Bills

1049
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 9: have another one in Davis and so I don't know

1050
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:42,759
Speaker 9: if I would give a lot of money to James Cook.

1051
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:43,240
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.

1052
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 9: I mean, it doesn't mean he's not a hard worker

1053
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:47,879
Speaker 9: and a great athlete. It's just there's lots of hard

1054
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:49,720
Speaker 9: workers and great athletes at that position.

1055
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:53,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the ease of replication. The ease of replacement

1056
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 3: is a problem. And the fact that there's a large

1057
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 3: market and it's a little bit like that it has

1058
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 3: been with wide receivers. The Bills are real proponents of that.

1059
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 3: And you said that, you know you guys question the

1060
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 3: depth and quality of the wide receivers, maybe on the

1061
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 3: Buffalo Bill's roster more than Brandon Bean does. And of

1062
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 3: course the GM's never gonna pooh poo his own roster, right,

1063
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 3: So give us an idea of what give us a

1064
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:19,440
Speaker 3: range of best case scenario bills receivers.

1065
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 9: Worst case Oh, I mean, best case scenario is Keyon

1066
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:25,439
Speaker 9: Coleman comes into his own and he's the number one

1067
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:28,279
Speaker 9: they want, right, Like, there's a lot of people. He

1068
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:30,799
Speaker 9: actually comes out pretty good in our stats, but there

1069
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 9: are other people that do film work who really feel

1070
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:36,280
Speaker 9: that he was disappointing last year. But that's the best

1071
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:39,840
Speaker 9: case scenario. The worst case scenario is it's just a

1072
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 9: lot of mad. I mean, I don't think Khalil Shakira

1073
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 9: is mad, but the rest of it is pretty mad,

1074
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 9: and they drop passes and they don't get open for

1075
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:50,880
Speaker 9: Alan as much as you want them to. But you

1076
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 9: know that case, they still have the tight end. So

1077
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:56,760
Speaker 9: it's a relative weakness, but it's not a killer weakness.

1078
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 9: Obviously they were a very good team last year with

1079
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 9: the same weakness.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So with that in mind, Aaron, I'm curious for

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Speaker 2: your thoughts on what has clearly been a philosophical shift

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Speaker 2: by the Bills coaching staff in front office to go

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00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 2: and attack the receiver position with volume of very good players,

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Speaker 2: but maybe no elite players. They have made a philosophical

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Speaker 2: shift to not have a quote unquote alpha male receiver.

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Speaker 2: They're not the only team that's done this. Green Bay,

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Speaker 2: I think you can argue, has adopted that approach with

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Speaker 2: their wide receiving corps, and there might be two or

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Speaker 2: three others. What do you make of that philosophical shift,

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Speaker 2: especially as well as it worked for Buffalo last year

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Speaker 2: with obviously an elite quarterback at the controls.

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Speaker 9: And the only reason I would disagree with you is

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Speaker 9: that when you take a wide receiver in the first round,

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Speaker 9: even at the end of the first round, you're expecting

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Speaker 9: him to be an elite wide receiver one not necessarily

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Speaker 9: in his first year. But even Green Bay same thing, right,

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Speaker 9: They finally took a wide receiver in the first round

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Speaker 9: this year. So I think they want Coleman to be

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Speaker 9: that guy. Was he that guy in his first year?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 9: Can he still become that guy? The potential is still there,

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Speaker 9: and so I don't know if it's as much a

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Speaker 9: shift in do you want a wide receiver one? And

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Speaker 9: more a shift in how do you get a wide

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Speaker 9: receiver one. Do you go out and get someone like

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Speaker 9: Stefan Diggs who's a veteran who you know has that,

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00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 9: or do you take a shot with a draft pick

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00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 9: hoping that you'll get one much cheaper, which is what

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00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 9: they hope with Coleman.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and what's your what do you think is the

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00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 3: best way? Do you draft the guy or do you

1112
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Speaker 3: steal him?

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Speaker 9: I mean the best thing to do would be to

1114
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 9: get one of each, obviously, But I mean, look, okay,

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Speaker 9: we keep saying, oh, they need a wide receiver one,

1116
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:51,120
Speaker 9: they need a wide receiver one.

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Speaker 7: Well, who were they going to get this offseason? Right?

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Speaker 9: The problem is you can only get a wide receiver

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Speaker 9: one if there's one available. And the only one who

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Speaker 9: I can think of who was really available was bringing

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Speaker 9: Stefan Diggs back because Chris Godwin re signed and the

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00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:09,440
Speaker 9: Bengals didn't let t Higgins go anywhere. Right, Like at

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Speaker 9: the beginning of the season, when beginning of the off season,

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Speaker 9: when we were assigning free agents to teams, we were

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Speaker 9: all like t Higgins to Buffalo. It makes too much sense.

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Speaker 9: But Cincinnati's not gonna let it happen. And then that's

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Speaker 9: exactly what happened. So you can't go out and just

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Speaker 9: make wide receiver one appear out of thin air so

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Speaker 9: you can sign him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. The last one I've got for you, Aaron,

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00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 2: especially concerning the Bills and some projections. Obviously, there's been

1132
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 2: a lot of retooling on the defensive side of the ball.

1133
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 2: Their defensive front pretty pretty healthy turnover in talent. We

1134
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 2: know they had Bosa, a proven pass rusher when healthy,

1135
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Speaker 2: and then three draft choices for the defensive line, Ogun

1136
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 2: Joby and Hoyden free agency, although we know we won't

1137
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 2: they won't have them for the first six games of

1138
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Speaker 2: the season. What do all those additions poor tend for you,

1139
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 2: guys and your projections with their defense in comparison to

1140
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Speaker 2: last year.

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Speaker 9: I mean, they're good additions. I don't know how much

1142
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:13,760
Speaker 9: their needle moving additions. If Bosa is healthy, he certainly

1143
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 9: is a needle moving addition. Ogunjobi's a nice guy to have,

1144
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 9: Hoyt's a nice, useful guy to have. You'll miss them

1145
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 9: for a couple of games, right, that's a problem. But

1146
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 9: I don't know how much they've made these like needle

1147
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:31,120
Speaker 9: moving big additions. I also don't think they've made needle

1148
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 9: moving big losses, right like Rasseul Douglas and Kyrie Elam.

1149
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 9: I mean, Douglas was pretty good two years ago, wasn't

1150
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Speaker 9: as good last year. Kyrie Elam never really developed as

1151
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:44,600
Speaker 9: a first round pick. You know, a great example of

1152
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 9: how after a couple of years you have to stop

1153
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 9: thinking about where guys were drafted. Christian Benford is just

1154
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 9: a way better NFL player than Kyrie Elm even though

1155
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:54,960
Speaker 9: he was taken in a later round.

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Speaker 7: So they didn't add that many.

1157
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Speaker 9: Like really important guys, but they didn't lose really important guys. Obviously,

1158
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:04,920
Speaker 9: a lot of the hope is that Joey Bosa is

1159
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:08,440
Speaker 9: Joey Bosa and he's healthy and he's the pass rusher

1160
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Speaker 9: that they need. That when we get to January, he's

1161
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Speaker 9: getting to Patrick Mahomes.

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Speaker 3: What kind of trends And it's the last one for

1163
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:18,200
Speaker 3: me too. And in your book you put out you

1164
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 3: notice trends things. Is it formations, is it personnel usage?

1165
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:25,280
Speaker 3: What are some of the trends offensively in the league

1166
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:27,680
Speaker 3: that you look forward to maybe change the landscape of

1167
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:29,000
Speaker 3: the fantasy football world.

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Speaker 9: I mean, I think we're seeing more two tight end sets.

1169
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Speaker 9: We're seeing more like the Raiders right with the Bowers,

1170
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:38,919
Speaker 9: And you know, they took Mayor in the first round,

1171
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 9: and then they had a shot at Bowers, so they

1172
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:43,720
Speaker 9: took Bowers and they're just playing both of them. And

1173
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:46,400
Speaker 9: Isaiah likely is hurt, but he'll be back probably by

1174
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:48,320
Speaker 9: week one, and so the Ravens play a lot of

1175
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Speaker 9: both those guys, and the Bills play a lot of

1176
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Speaker 9: two guys, and I think we're seeing more of the

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Speaker 9: two tight end sets. I think last year's big hey,

1178
01:00:57,600 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 9: veteran running backs are all going to new teams and

1179
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:03,000
Speaker 9: playing well. Thing was a one year trend. I think

1180
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:05,479
Speaker 9: those guys will be good this year. But I don't

1181
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:07,840
Speaker 9: think that other veteran running backs have switched, you Like,

1182
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:10,280
Speaker 9: I don't think Naji Harris is like a really good

1183
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 9: fantasy pick just because last year some veteran running backs

1184
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:17,120
Speaker 9: switched to new teams and played really well. I don't

1185
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:19,640
Speaker 9: even know if Nagi Harris is going to start ahead

1186
01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:22,560
Speaker 9: of the rookie Omarion Hampton for the LA Chargers.

1187
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:24,800
Speaker 7: So I don't think that's really a trend.

1188
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:28,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, veteran running backs name Saquon Barkley and Derrick Henry

1189
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 3: will probably have a better result than running backs name

1190
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:34,360
Speaker 3: Naji Harris who switched teams.

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01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:39,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, am loved and some love to Josh Jacobs too.

1192
01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:40,960
Speaker 9: Didn't play quite as well as those two guys, but

1193
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Speaker 9: Josh Jacobs also very good.

1194
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:44,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, and over three hundred carries to boot, very productive

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Speaker 2: last year. That's the ESPN NFL analist Aaron shots joining us.

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Speaker 2: You can get Aaron's Football Almanac by going to ftnfantasy

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Speaker 2: dot com slash almanac. Aaron, thanks for the time we appreciated.

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Speaker 9: Good luck with the book, all right, thank you very much,

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Speaker 9: and good luck to the Bills this year.

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Speaker 2: All right. That's Aaron Shotts joining us. He's an NFL

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01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:09,520
Speaker 2: analyst for ESPN. He's also the chief analytics officers at

1202
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:13,880
Speaker 2: FTN Fantasy and that's where the football Almanac comes from,

1203
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:17,960
Speaker 2: which you can get online ftnfantasy dot com slash Almanac.

1204
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Speaker 2: So I hopes for the Bills. Yeah, good projection. We thought,

1205
01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:25,600
Speaker 2: you know, you hate to say. We I remember back

1206
01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:26,040
Speaker 2: in the day.

1207
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:29,000
Speaker 3: Every once in a while you think, you know, this

1208
01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:30,480
Speaker 3: is what we got to do it guys and this

1209
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:33,160
Speaker 3: would be a year like that for this Bills franchise

1210
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:36,040
Speaker 3: where they've been in the last handful of years. He said, listen, guys,

1211
01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:37,120
Speaker 3: we got to get the one seat.

1212
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Speaker 2: Let's go.

1213
01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:41,200
Speaker 3: We've got We've got to get the Chiefs here on

1214
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:45,360
Speaker 3: AFC Championship weekend, and you set that as an absolute goal.

1215
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:49,800
Speaker 2: It was I thought one of his more interesting answers

1216
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 2: is the one was the question I posted to him

1217
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 2: about the defense in terms of what their projection say

1218
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:58,560
Speaker 2: about the additions that have been made there, and it

1219
01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:03,760
Speaker 2: was interesting that he character it as not needle moving additions,

1220
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:08,720
Speaker 2: and it leads me to think I had this theory

1221
01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:12,280
Speaker 2: earlier this offseason about what we should expect from this

1222
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:15,520
Speaker 2: defense in terms of improvements, and I think we can

1223
01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:18,280
Speaker 2: all agree it's going to be better. To what degree

1224
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:22,800
Speaker 2: is the question? But I'm more and more, and obviously

1225
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:24,640
Speaker 2: we haven't even seen them play yet, not even in

1226
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:27,320
Speaker 2: the preseason, but more and more I'm getting the feeling

1227
01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:31,600
Speaker 2: that this is going to be a defense that some

1228
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:34,720
Speaker 2: of its parts is going to be greater than any

1229
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:37,280
Speaker 2: one or two players. I mean, Bosa is the closest

1230
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:41,880
Speaker 2: thing you have to an elite player beyond him, you

1231
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:45,160
Speaker 2: have some very very good players. Sure, there is the

1232
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:48,800
Speaker 2: possibility that Milano returns to all pro status if he

1233
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:51,520
Speaker 2: can play seventeen. That's right. And he's looked good in

1234
01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:53,960
Speaker 2: the first week of training camp, like he's looked like

1235
01:03:54,040 --> 01:03:56,520
Speaker 2: all pro Milano Like, that's how good he has looked

1236
01:03:56,560 --> 01:03:59,960
Speaker 2: this week. Now the question is does he get to

1237
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:02,240
Speaker 2: the regular season without issue?

1238
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Speaker 3: You know, and I'll say this, you and I have

1239
01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:07,000
Speaker 3: trumpeted this coaching staff time and time again in this

1240
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:10,040
Speaker 3: culture and the way that players come here and thrive

1241
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:13,440
Speaker 3: where they don't other places, or thrive in a way

1242
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:16,040
Speaker 3: they have never thrived in their career, or guys who

1243
01:04:16,080 --> 01:04:19,240
Speaker 3: have left here have withered on the vine for other teams.

1244
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:21,640
Speaker 3: It just seems to be a place where certain players flurish.

1245
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 3: So when you say that about you know, this defense

1246
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 3: being better than the sum of its parts, that does

1247
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:32,920
Speaker 3: fall on maybe You're and Ma's belief in this culture

1248
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:34,919
Speaker 3: and this coaching staff to get the best out of guys.

1249
01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:38,560
Speaker 3: They really have done that since since day one of

1250
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:41,040
Speaker 3: Sean McDermott's tenure.

1251
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:42,479
Speaker 2: Here in Buffalo. It's group think.

1252
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:47,400
Speaker 3: It's it's yeah, it's something in the air here that

1253
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:51,440
Speaker 3: they put out. That makes guys want to play well,

1254
01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:53,560
Speaker 3: be good at playing, you know, be better than they

1255
01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:54,560
Speaker 3: thought they were gonna be.

1256
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:57,560
Speaker 2: You see the team oriented approach, Yeah, you see.

1257
01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:00,400
Speaker 3: You see huge examples of it, because you also see

1258
01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:03,720
Speaker 3: in some other players that maybe don't they're playing okay here,

1259
01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:04,880
Speaker 3: but they go someplace else.

1260
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Speaker 2: And they can't even function almost.

1261
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:11,840
Speaker 3: It's you know, you see guys sign good contracts after

1262
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:15,160
Speaker 3: having a good year here and then they just don't.

1263
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:17,200
Speaker 2: They're gone after one year in another place.

1264
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:21,400
Speaker 3: Gabe Davis, Jordan Phillips. I mean you can go down

1265
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:24,240
Speaker 3: the list of guys who have left here after being back.

1266
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Speaker 2: Moss Goods.

1267
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:28,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, he just got cut guys who are good here,

1268
01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:31,160
Speaker 3: maybe not great, but good, and they just go someplace

1269
01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:35,280
Speaker 3: else and they're just they can't do it. That's you're

1270
01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:38,040
Speaker 3: some of the parts here and these parts. You're right,

1271
01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:41,840
Speaker 3: there's an engine under the hood. Defensively here, you got

1272
01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:44,640
Speaker 3: guys like Landon Jackson. I mean that's a guy who's

1273
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:47,120
Speaker 3: got some gifts, just like Rousseau had some gifts. And

1274
01:05:47,160 --> 01:05:50,640
Speaker 3: we've seen Rousseau on a steady assent. He's never been

1275
01:05:50,680 --> 01:05:52,840
Speaker 3: an elite defensive end, but man, oh man, he has

1276
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:53,920
Speaker 3: never been bad.

1277
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Speaker 2: He's never gone backwards.

1278
01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:57,840
Speaker 3: He's never gone backwards. You get a guy like Joey

1279
01:05:57,840 --> 01:06:00,920
Speaker 3: Bosa in here, if and maybe something here makes it

1280
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:05,320
Speaker 3: so that he is available for twenty weeks and stays

1281
01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:06,960
Speaker 3: on the field, then we'll see what he got, what

1282
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:09,240
Speaker 3: he has. Certainly he's going to be motivated to do that.

1283
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:13,480
Speaker 3: He's on a one year contract. All those guys, You're right, Brownie,

1284
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:17,880
Speaker 3: there is something in that and it's become now, at

1285
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:20,440
Speaker 3: least for you and me sitting here in the building,

1286
01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:25,360
Speaker 3: we almost depend on it.

1287
01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:26,600
Speaker 2: It's that tangible.

1288
01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:32,200
Speaker 3: It may happen, like you say that, this defense may

1289
01:06:32,440 --> 01:06:36,960
Speaker 3: like exponentially rise in production. If it does and they

1290
01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:40,480
Speaker 3: stay healthy, I'll just say there's no stopping this guy,

1291
01:06:40,600 --> 01:06:41,760
Speaker 3: these guys, but there's none.

1292
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Speaker 2: But I've said it before. All you gotta all this

1293
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Speaker 2: defense has to do is reduced points against bice free.

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01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:49,840
Speaker 2: That's take a field goal off the board on average

1295
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:53,000
Speaker 2: for this season. And if the offense does what it

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01:06:53,040 --> 01:06:55,440
Speaker 2: did last year, you're in the big game.

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Speaker 3: That's it. There's no stopping you. There's no stopping you. Now,

1298
01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:01,479
Speaker 3: there's a million other things that can throw a wrench

1299
01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:09,560
Speaker 3: in the world. We all know that injuries, you know, sickness, whatever, turnover, Yeah,

1300
01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:12,280
Speaker 3: all that can happen. But you're right, Brownie, that if

1301
01:07:12,280 --> 01:07:17,280
Speaker 3: this defense does rise up and make a huge step forward, yeah,

1302
01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:21,360
Speaker 3: then then yeah, then it's the roof is off. So

1303
01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:26,840
Speaker 3: and like Aaron Schottz told us, there's every reason after

1304
01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:29,120
Speaker 3: the last couple of years of seeing how this team,

1305
01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:32,720
Speaker 3: what they over what they overcame, how they're philosophicals, philosophy

1306
01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:36,760
Speaker 3: has changed and it made a difference. This everybody eats thing.

1307
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:42,200
Speaker 3: It could not have turned out better. There's a lot

1308
01:07:42,320 --> 01:07:45,680
Speaker 3: that gives you, like this plausible explanation is you know

1309
01:07:45,720 --> 01:07:48,360
Speaker 3: what this may be. This may be the team to

1310
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Speaker 3: beat in spite of the fact that Baltimore's got a

1311
01:07:51,560 --> 01:07:54,240
Speaker 3: better roster in Kansas City is a team nobody can beat.

1312
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:57,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Baltimore's roster is more veteran in nature as

1313
01:07:57,720 --> 01:08:01,920
Speaker 2: well than Buffalo's, which has had a sharp influx of

1314
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:03,480
Speaker 2: youth the last two off seasons.

1315
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Speaker 3: This is this is going to be a very very

1316
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:11,400
Speaker 3: interesting season for the Buffalo Bills because of what you

1317
01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:14,560
Speaker 3: feel like you can depend on, and then the things

1318
01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:17,280
Speaker 3: that could make that go sideways or they're out of

1319
01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:17,719
Speaker 3: your control.

1320
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Speaker 2: And as we heard Aaron say himself, while the Ravens

1321
01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:27,080
Speaker 2: may have the better overall roster, what's working in Buffalo's

1322
01:08:27,080 --> 01:08:30,400
Speaker 2: favor is the more favorable schedule. Because the Ravens schedule

1323
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:33,519
Speaker 2: is a bear that's big, and they're a really good team,

1324
01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:36,519
Speaker 2: but they got a tough slate and that could be

1325
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:39,599
Speaker 2: the tipping point that favors the Bills and could ultimately

1326
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:41,240
Speaker 2: get them the number one seed. You heard him say it.

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Speaker 2: Week one is huge, Yeah for AFC playoff seeding.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, huge, Yeah, I mean it is, but there's so

1329
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:50,080
Speaker 3: much that can happen between then, and if they don't

1330
01:08:50,160 --> 01:08:53,719
Speaker 3: go out and lose one, nobody in one Bill's drive

1331
01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:56,639
Speaker 3: is going to panic. Yeah, nobody's going to be clutching

1332
01:08:56,640 --> 01:09:00,000
Speaker 3: their pearls, no matter how good or bad it looks

1333
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:03,120
Speaker 3: looks because it's just one game. But you're right, the

1334
01:09:03,160 --> 01:09:05,519
Speaker 3: schedule means something, and I.

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01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:08,800
Speaker 2: Don't think enough people pay consider it as big a

1336
01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:12,360
Speaker 2: factor as it can be. Yeah, even me.

1337
01:09:12,479 --> 01:09:14,040
Speaker 3: I mean, I said we were walking today, we were

1338
01:09:14,040 --> 01:09:15,720
Speaker 3: going to get coffee, and I said, you know the thing,

1339
01:09:16,240 --> 01:09:18,240
Speaker 3: I've been watching these games from last year, in a

1340
01:09:18,280 --> 01:09:20,680
Speaker 3: couple of years, you know, just different Bills games from

1341
01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:25,000
Speaker 3: over the couple of years. The margins in this league

1342
01:09:25,080 --> 01:09:29,320
Speaker 3: are minuscule, razor thing. They're razor thin the Bills. I

1343
01:09:29,439 --> 01:09:32,640
Speaker 3: was watching the wild card game with the Denver Broncos

1344
01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:35,080
Speaker 3: and the Bills this last season, and it turned into

1345
01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:38,839
Speaker 3: a laugher. It was ten to seven at half something

1346
01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:41,519
Speaker 3: like that. It was ten to seven at half, and

1347
01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:45,000
Speaker 3: Buffalo wins thirty to seven or thirty to ten, thirty

1348
01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:48,240
Speaker 3: one to seven. They just outstrideed and it looked like

1349
01:09:48,280 --> 01:09:50,880
Speaker 3: a laugher. It wasn't in the first It was like

1350
01:09:51,160 --> 01:09:52,840
Speaker 3: there were like things in the second half. There was

1351
01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:56,320
Speaker 3: like two three, not even a handful of plays in

1352
01:09:56,360 --> 01:09:58,639
Speaker 3: the second half, and it was thirty one to ten.

1353
01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:01,000
Speaker 2: And I'll be the first admit that the Bills don't

1354
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:03,280
Speaker 2: beat the Ravens. If the Ravens don't have three turnovers,

1355
01:10:03,720 --> 01:10:05,920
Speaker 2: that's right. They beat them by two with a drop

1356
01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:09,040
Speaker 2: on a two point conversion to tie it plus three giveaway,

1357
01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:10,599
Speaker 2: three turnovers and a drop.

1358
01:10:11,080 --> 01:10:14,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you don't beat that team that you know,

1359
01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:17,880
Speaker 3: and you're in the championship round and you get down

1360
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:19,559
Speaker 3: and think about and then you get down and it

1361
01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:21,040
Speaker 3: comes down to a bad spot.

1362
01:10:21,200 --> 01:10:22,599
Speaker 2: Too bad spots, two bad.

1363
01:10:22,479 --> 01:10:25,240
Speaker 3: Spots in a row. I mean, like, what are we doing?

1364
01:10:25,720 --> 01:10:29,040
Speaker 3: I mean, that's that's the margins in this league. So

1365
01:10:29,160 --> 01:10:31,559
Speaker 3: you're talking about from this end of a schedule that

1366
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:33,880
Speaker 3: looks like it does for the Bills and you're trying

1367
01:10:33,880 --> 01:10:35,679
Speaker 3: to you know, read the tea leaves.

1368
01:10:37,360 --> 01:10:42,240
Speaker 2: Good luck, golly, But that's what makes it an entertaining

1369
01:10:42,280 --> 01:10:45,280
Speaker 2: league because you just don't know. Gotta take a break here,

1370
01:10:45,320 --> 01:10:47,240
Speaker 2: But we're getting back to your phone calls when we

1371
01:10:47,320 --> 01:10:50,080
Speaker 2: come back. The depth of which position group will be

1372
01:10:50,160 --> 01:10:52,880
Speaker 2: most critical to the bills in twenty twenty five? Tom

1373
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:54,559
Speaker 2: on the west Side leads us off. When we return

1374
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Speaker 2: here on one Bill's Live presented by Colid of Health,

1375
01:10:56,760 --> 01:11:11,080
Speaker 2: It's Buffalo Bills Radio. All right back here on want

1376
01:11:11,080 --> 01:11:13,160
Speaker 2: of those live PRIs Brown Steve Tasker, with you going

1377
01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:14,720
Speaker 2: to get back to the phones here as we've been

1378
01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:18,320
Speaker 2: asking you the depth of which position group will be

1379
01:11:18,439 --> 01:11:23,120
Speaker 2: most critical to the bills in twenty twenty five? Waiting

1380
01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:25,240
Speaker 2: patiently is Tom on the west Side, So we go

1381
01:11:25,240 --> 01:11:26,200
Speaker 2: to him. Now, what you got for us?

1382
01:11:26,280 --> 01:11:31,559
Speaker 4: Tom, Good afternoon, gentlemen. I believe it's a stum of

1383
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:34,360
Speaker 4: the parts, like you were just talking about. Because that's

1384
01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:37,599
Speaker 4: how the offense did it last year. There wasn't any

1385
01:11:37,640 --> 01:11:42,120
Speaker 4: one guy other than Josh Allen, and on defense, we

1386
01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:44,760
Speaker 4: really don't have that guy. We're hoping it's going to

1387
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:51,120
Speaker 4: be Joey Boso. Now on the group, I believe it's

1388
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:54,519
Speaker 4: a defensive line. But here's why I'm gonna say, it's

1389
01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:59,040
Speaker 4: not that we have a plethora of players there, because

1390
01:11:59,080 --> 01:12:02,960
Speaker 4: we reinforce said defensive line this year and we're hanging

1391
01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:05,400
Speaker 4: a lot of hope on the young guys and they're

1392
01:12:05,439 --> 01:12:08,639
Speaker 4: gonna get some playing time early because the Ogan, Jobe

1393
01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:13,080
Speaker 4: and Hoy, so I'm expecting them to take a step

1394
01:12:13,160 --> 01:12:17,880
Speaker 4: up and play well this year. But my concern is

1395
01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:20,400
Speaker 4: on the back end. And I'm so glad aren't called

1396
01:12:20,439 --> 01:12:23,480
Speaker 4: in because as I was talking to your call screener

1397
01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:26,720
Speaker 4: and as soon as I hung up, Art came up

1398
01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:31,040
Speaker 4: and he mentioned the defensive backfield. I'm concerned about the

1399
01:12:31,120 --> 01:12:35,920
Speaker 4: cornerbacks and safeties because we did bring in a lot

1400
01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:40,040
Speaker 4: of old players and saw of them coming off of

1401
01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:43,519
Speaker 4: major injuries and we're gonna have to count on them.

1402
01:12:44,120 --> 01:12:48,960
Speaker 4: And Max, I'm glad to hear it's just as LCL

1403
01:12:49,080 --> 01:12:51,760
Speaker 4: because for the listeners out there. If you don't know,

1404
01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:55,240
Speaker 4: the LCL is on the outside of the knee, your

1405
01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:58,200
Speaker 4: MCL is on the inside, your ACL on the front,

1406
01:12:58,240 --> 01:13:01,040
Speaker 4: your PCL on the back, your l c L is

1407
01:13:01,080 --> 01:13:04,679
Speaker 4: on the outside. It still hurts. And I never injured

1408
01:13:04,720 --> 01:13:08,439
Speaker 4: my LCL that bad that I had to rehabit, So

1409
01:13:08,600 --> 01:13:11,559
Speaker 4: hopefully he can come back from that quick. But no

1410
01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:14,960
Speaker 4: matter what, I think it's gonna stun his growth. But

1411
01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:18,680
Speaker 4: I mean, did we really get an upgrade in the

1412
01:13:18,720 --> 01:13:23,960
Speaker 4: defensive backfield this year by bringing back old players that

1413
01:13:24,160 --> 01:13:26,880
Speaker 4: used to play for us? Or is it just going

1414
01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:28,160
Speaker 4: to be the same old game.

1415
01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:31,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's a valicasy to be seen. Yeah,

1416
01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:33,439
Speaker 2: we'll have to wait and see, and I think we'll

1417
01:13:33,439 --> 01:13:36,080
Speaker 2: get a better feel for that once we start seeing

1418
01:13:36,479 --> 01:13:39,080
Speaker 2: how the backhand looks in the preseason, most notably Cole

1419
01:13:39,160 --> 01:13:42,439
Speaker 2: Bishop at safety, who I think most people would admit

1420
01:13:43,240 --> 01:13:48,400
Speaker 2: is a more athletic option than Tomorrow Hamlin. And then

1421
01:13:48,439 --> 01:13:50,600
Speaker 2: at corner. That's why you draft Max Harrison in the

1422
01:13:50,600 --> 01:13:55,479
Speaker 2: first round. You're hoping that you know, his progress can

1423
01:13:56,160 --> 01:13:59,560
Speaker 2: lead him to start, maybe with this injury, not in

1424
01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:03,120
Speaker 2: a week on, but maybe he comes on and you know,

1425
01:14:03,240 --> 01:14:04,920
Speaker 2: by week five, six.

1426
01:14:05,080 --> 01:14:08,960
Speaker 3: Well, he's back in three weeks, he'll be He'll have

1427
01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:11,599
Speaker 3: some practice and reps under his belt anyway, so yeah,

1428
01:14:11,640 --> 01:14:13,880
Speaker 3: he'll he'll be ready for a week run healthy, even

1429
01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:18,040
Speaker 3: if he's not hasn't earned the spot yet. Yeah, you're

1430
01:14:18,040 --> 01:14:20,439
Speaker 3: talking about Tredevious White is the old guy, and also

1431
01:14:20,520 --> 01:14:21,840
Speaker 3: Dane Jackson bringing him back.

1432
01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:23,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I.

1433
01:14:26,280 --> 01:14:28,000
Speaker 3: Think that's a I think it's a good thing because

1434
01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:31,600
Speaker 3: those guys will acclimate faster. Dane and Trey will activate

1435
01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:36,640
Speaker 3: acclimate better to the defense and what they want, what

1436
01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:39,320
Speaker 3: they're doing here in Buffalo, faster than anybody else. So

1437
01:14:39,320 --> 01:14:42,200
Speaker 3: I think you can expect them to be very ready

1438
01:14:42,240 --> 01:14:46,000
Speaker 3: to play when they're called on. And as for Trey, yeah,

1439
01:14:46,120 --> 01:14:48,920
Speaker 3: I get it. He's he's gonna be third. I'll say,

1440
01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:50,360
Speaker 3: I looked it up and I can't remember now, but

1441
01:14:50,439 --> 01:14:53,200
Speaker 3: he's so he's long in the tooth.

1442
01:14:53,960 --> 01:14:54,120
Speaker 8: Uh.

1443
01:14:54,680 --> 01:15:00,800
Speaker 3: I don't really care about that because he's we played

1444
01:15:00,840 --> 01:15:02,240
Speaker 3: at a high level, and he played last year for

1445
01:15:02,280 --> 01:15:04,479
Speaker 3: two different teams, and he's looking better now that he's

1446
01:15:04,479 --> 01:15:07,200
Speaker 3: further away from the major injury. Dan Jackson the same thing.

1447
01:15:07,479 --> 01:15:10,599
Speaker 3: He played well here well enough that other teams wanted

1448
01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:12,840
Speaker 3: him in free agency, and he went there like and

1449
01:15:13,479 --> 01:15:16,160
Speaker 3: he's another example of the players that Brown and I

1450
01:15:16,200 --> 01:15:18,240
Speaker 3: were alluding to when we're talking about the culture went

1451
01:15:18,360 --> 01:15:20,280
Speaker 3: someplace else, did not play as well as he played

1452
01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:24,120
Speaker 3: here in Buffalo. Now he's coming back and a little

1453
01:15:24,120 --> 01:15:27,080
Speaker 3: bit like Jordan Phillips, he's gonna flourish here like he

1454
01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:28,360
Speaker 3: did the first time around.

1455
01:15:28,439 --> 01:15:30,480
Speaker 2: Trade turns thirty one in January.

1456
01:15:30,600 --> 01:15:33,320
Speaker 3: Eh So, yeah, Trey is going to be on the

1457
01:15:33,320 --> 01:15:35,080
Speaker 3: wrong side of thirty at some point. But I think

1458
01:15:35,160 --> 01:15:39,160
Speaker 3: right now, you know, you're gonna get a good four

1459
01:15:39,240 --> 01:15:40,960
Speaker 3: or five months out of him, at least if he

1460
01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:42,800
Speaker 3: stays healthy. I think the guy's gonna come back and

1461
01:15:43,200 --> 01:15:45,960
Speaker 3: feel really refreshed and ready to play. You don't need

1462
01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:48,960
Speaker 3: to sign Tredavius White to a you know, five year extension,

1463
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:52,600
Speaker 3: but man oman for what they need right now, I

1464
01:15:52,600 --> 01:15:55,719
Speaker 3: think he's the He is the perfect fit. So we'll see.

1465
01:15:56,200 --> 01:15:57,640
Speaker 3: You know, all this is up in the air. But

1466
01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:04,880
Speaker 3: a Hairston thing stunting his growth. It may stunt it

1467
01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:10,000
Speaker 3: by what three weeks, Okay, but other than that, no,

1468
01:16:11,240 --> 01:16:12,800
Speaker 3: three weeks? Yeah, and I get it. You want him

1469
01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:16,360
Speaker 3: to ready for you know, day one of the regular season.

1470
01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:19,879
Speaker 3: There's nothing that says he won't be ready, but physically

1471
01:16:19,960 --> 01:16:22,920
Speaker 3: I think he probably will be with some with a

1472
01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:25,280
Speaker 3: week or two to spare, so we'll see.

1473
01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:29,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean right now for those of you

1474
01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:32,200
Speaker 2: that are just joining us and didn't hear, it looks

1475
01:16:32,280 --> 01:16:36,480
Speaker 2: like according to outside reports, the Bills have not confirmed

1476
01:16:36,520 --> 01:16:39,639
Speaker 2: a diagnosis or a prognosis of any kind on Max Hairston,

1477
01:16:40,120 --> 01:16:42,960
Speaker 2: but Fox Sports is reporting that it's a week to

1478
01:16:43,040 --> 01:16:47,479
Speaker 2: week knee injury and a sprained LCO. It's a knee sprain,

1479
01:16:48,240 --> 01:16:50,200
Speaker 2: not a tear of any kind of ligaments, so it

1480
01:16:50,240 --> 01:16:53,960
Speaker 2: appears that he has avoided a disastrous injury that could

1481
01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:56,360
Speaker 2: have really set him back in his rookie season. So

1482
01:16:56,400 --> 01:16:59,760
Speaker 2: we'll see how long it takes going forward, and we'll

1483
01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:04,080
Speaker 2: wait until the Bills have official confirmation of the diagnosis

1484
01:17:04,400 --> 01:17:07,240
Speaker 2: and then the prognosis for when he might be back.

1485
01:17:07,280 --> 01:17:10,599
Speaker 2: But it's being reported as a week to week injury,

1486
01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:13,519
Speaker 2: so that's kind of where it sits. Eight oh three,

1487
01:17:13,880 --> 01:17:16,840
Speaker 2: five point fifty one eighty eight eight five point fifty two,

1488
01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:19,240
Speaker 2: five point fifty those are the numbers to jump on

1489
01:17:19,320 --> 01:17:21,920
Speaker 2: board with us as we are asking you today the

1490
01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:26,360
Speaker 2: depth of which position group will be most critical to

1491
01:17:26,439 --> 01:17:29,200
Speaker 2: the Bills in twenty twenty five. Steve and I going

1492
01:17:29,200 --> 01:17:31,840
Speaker 2: to crack open the tweet sheet here, which is brought

1493
01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:34,880
Speaker 2: to you by Corrigan Moving Systems, the official equipment moving

1494
01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:39,120
Speaker 2: company of the Buffalo Bills, and Connor says, my top

1495
01:17:39,160 --> 01:17:43,120
Speaker 2: two are dB and linebacker. The injury bug seems to

1496
01:17:43,160 --> 01:17:45,559
Speaker 2: have hit both position groups. I know it's training camp

1497
01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:47,720
Speaker 2: and the staff is being more cautious than they would

1498
01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:51,519
Speaker 2: be in the season. Harston is missing valuable reps. Bernard

1499
01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:56,320
Speaker 2: is missing valuable reps with Milano. That is my current concern.

1500
01:17:56,400 --> 01:17:59,400
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be overly concerned with Bernard's absence right now

1501
01:17:59,400 --> 01:18:02,160
Speaker 2: with the hamstring injury. I mean, he might be one

1502
01:18:02,160 --> 01:18:05,200
Speaker 2: of the smartest players on the entire team, and he's

1503
01:18:05,240 --> 01:18:09,400
Speaker 2: super instinctive, so I think for him when he returns,

1504
01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:12,320
Speaker 2: it'll be like riding a bike. He'll just hop right

1505
01:18:12,360 --> 01:18:13,519
Speaker 2: back on and start peddling.

1506
01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:19,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, Bernard's hamstring is not is not even it's not

1507
01:18:19,800 --> 01:18:22,720
Speaker 3: even a bug on a windshield. I mean it's it's

1508
01:18:22,800 --> 01:18:25,640
Speaker 3: less than that. He doesn't need the reps. He and

1509
01:18:25,720 --> 01:18:27,439
Speaker 3: Milano don't need the I mean they had They've been

1510
01:18:27,439 --> 01:18:29,640
Speaker 3: playing together for two years, well three years.

1511
01:18:29,800 --> 01:18:32,200
Speaker 2: So on and off with injuries to Milano being there.

1512
01:18:32,479 --> 01:18:38,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, so roadblock, yeah, that's not the problem. The other stuff, yeah,

1513
01:18:38,880 --> 01:18:41,080
Speaker 3: the other injuries, yeah, you can, you can make it.

1514
01:18:41,120 --> 01:18:42,880
Speaker 3: So certainly Harston, you'd like to see him get as

1515
01:18:42,920 --> 01:18:45,400
Speaker 3: many reps as possible because reps help.

1516
01:18:45,960 --> 01:18:46,080
Speaker 2: Uh.

1517
01:18:46,160 --> 01:18:48,559
Speaker 3: But even so, like I said, even if he's out

1518
01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:53,519
Speaker 3: for three weeks, that's three weeks in his growth, which

1519
01:18:53,800 --> 01:18:59,519
Speaker 3: even if he's growing fast like Christian Benford esque in

1520
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:03,799
Speaker 3: training camp, most of us aren't even gonna know the difference.

1521
01:19:03,880 --> 01:19:06,840
Speaker 2: And I wouldn't dismiss the young depth on the roster

1522
01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:09,200
Speaker 2: either at the defensive back position, and I'm thinking of

1523
01:19:09,280 --> 01:19:11,880
Speaker 2: Jordan Hancock and Dorian Strong here. I don't think I

1524
01:19:11,880 --> 01:19:14,919
Speaker 2: would dismiss that out of hand. It's more an unknown.

1525
01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:20,760
Speaker 2: They are inexperienced, but they're also pretty physically gifted. So

1526
01:19:22,200 --> 01:19:24,320
Speaker 2: I mean, I think in the end, Hancock's probably going

1527
01:19:24,360 --> 01:19:27,120
Speaker 2: to be a reserve safety and Strong is going to

1528
01:19:27,160 --> 01:19:31,040
Speaker 2: be a reserve outside corner. Can they leap frog any

1529
01:19:31,080 --> 01:19:33,320
Speaker 2: of the players with more experience on the roster at

1530
01:19:33,320 --> 01:19:36,040
Speaker 2: those positions, We'll have to wait and see. Like his

1531
01:19:36,120 --> 01:19:38,320
Speaker 2: Hancock going to a show so well in the preseason

1532
01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:41,240
Speaker 2: that he can leap frog a veteran like Hamlin. Can

1533
01:19:41,360 --> 01:19:45,000
Speaker 2: Dorian Strong perform so admirably in the preseason that he

1534
01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:49,360
Speaker 2: can leapfrog somebody like a Dane Jackson or a JaMarcus Ingram.

1535
01:19:49,520 --> 01:19:52,320
Speaker 2: I think there's a chance for both of those things

1536
01:19:52,360 --> 01:19:54,640
Speaker 2: to happen. We'll just have to see if it materializes

1537
01:19:55,040 --> 01:19:57,600
Speaker 2: through the course of the preseason. Let's jump back on

1538
01:19:57,640 --> 01:20:00,920
Speaker 2: the phone lines and go to Scott in Williamsville. Next,

1539
01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:01,919
Speaker 2: what do you got for a Scott?

1540
01:20:04,120 --> 01:20:08,559
Speaker 10: I just said comment and a question and another comment.

1541
01:20:09,080 --> 01:20:11,800
Speaker 10: The first one is what you guys were talking about earlier.

1542
01:20:12,360 --> 01:20:14,479
Speaker 10: You know, a cynic might turn around and say that

1543
01:20:15,880 --> 01:20:23,800
Speaker 10: Bogey Bashom Kodu for Zach Moss, Deeven Singletary, Kay, you're elum.

1544
01:20:24,160 --> 01:20:27,880
Speaker 10: I mean there's a lot of even maybe kin Kaid,

1545
01:20:27,960 --> 01:20:32,040
Speaker 10: who knows, maybe Coleman, a lot of first second and

1546
01:20:32,160 --> 01:20:35,160
Speaker 10: thirds there that would have been nice to have panned

1547
01:20:35,200 --> 01:20:40,000
Speaker 10: out for the bills and developed. But it is what

1548
01:20:40,080 --> 01:20:44,640
Speaker 10: it is. But that's a lot of picks. And I

1549
01:20:44,640 --> 01:20:48,280
Speaker 10: guess my first question, and I'll give you a quick comment,

1550
01:20:48,479 --> 01:20:52,320
Speaker 10: is how come you know it's just interesting timing with

1551
01:20:52,400 --> 01:20:55,840
Speaker 10: Harrison in that I'm just curious. I mean, you guys

1552
01:20:55,840 --> 01:20:58,799
Speaker 10: are the Buffalo pill but the show is the Buffalo Bills.

1553
01:20:58,840 --> 01:21:04,639
Speaker 10: I'm just curious why other reporting agencies, other networks always

1554
01:21:04,640 --> 01:21:08,040
Speaker 10: seem to have some kind of scoop before even the

1555
01:21:08,080 --> 01:21:12,200
Speaker 10: local media or you know, your own show. And then

1556
01:21:12,560 --> 01:21:18,080
Speaker 10: least was I gotta tell you, I sure wish you know.

1557
01:21:18,160 --> 01:21:25,439
Speaker 10: We went through Claypool and Beldez, Scanaling and Cooper and

1558
01:21:25,560 --> 01:21:31,120
Speaker 10: even Samuel. It's just hard every time to think of

1559
01:21:31,400 --> 01:21:34,439
Speaker 10: how great Josh is and that we had a guy

1560
01:21:34,520 --> 01:21:39,000
Speaker 10: who set a record four point two one right there

1561
01:21:39,080 --> 01:21:42,120
Speaker 10: for us. He had eight catches one hundred almost one

1562
01:21:42,160 --> 01:21:44,280
Speaker 10: hundred and sixty yards in the Super Bowl against a

1563
01:21:44,439 --> 01:21:47,760
Speaker 10: strong Eagles defense. I just would have loved to have

1564
01:21:47,800 --> 01:21:51,519
Speaker 10: seen Josh with somebody who can totally take the top off.

1565
01:21:52,720 --> 01:21:54,679
Speaker 10: And that's my comment. So thank you for your time.

1566
01:21:54,880 --> 01:21:57,439
Speaker 2: Yep, I'm sure thing. I get it. You want a

1567
01:21:57,479 --> 01:22:01,920
Speaker 2: speed element to the offense, and look, I think they

1568
01:22:02,000 --> 01:22:07,080
Speaker 2: have made their receiving corps faster. I mean, Elijah Moore

1569
01:22:07,400 --> 01:22:10,160
Speaker 2: is clocked at a four to three five. He is

1570
01:22:10,200 --> 01:22:13,000
Speaker 2: a separator. Joshua Palmer I think is a four to

1571
01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:17,000
Speaker 2: four guy. He is a separator, so I think they

1572
01:22:17,000 --> 01:22:20,040
Speaker 2: did make upgrades to their receiving corps. They may not

1573
01:22:20,160 --> 01:22:24,800
Speaker 2: be household names, but they do have some measure of

1574
01:22:24,880 --> 01:22:28,599
Speaker 2: consistent production in this league. We've talked about Elijah Moore.

1575
01:22:28,640 --> 01:22:30,720
Speaker 2: He played with four different quarterbacks with the Browns and

1576
01:22:30,760 --> 01:22:34,360
Speaker 2: had sixty one receptions last year. The guy has played

1577
01:22:34,760 --> 01:22:36,880
Speaker 2: his first four years in the league for the Jets

1578
01:22:36,880 --> 01:22:39,479
Speaker 2: and the Browns. I mean that you're talking the dregs

1579
01:22:39,479 --> 01:22:43,960
Speaker 2: of the league and he was still productive. Joshua Palmer,

1580
01:22:44,760 --> 01:22:47,600
Speaker 2: I think, is a guy that Brandon Bean viewed his

1581
01:22:47,680 --> 01:22:50,559
Speaker 2: tape differently than many others. Some people just look at

1582
01:22:50,560 --> 01:22:53,920
Speaker 2: the stat line and say, how is Joshua Palmer, with

1583
01:22:54,080 --> 01:22:56,559
Speaker 2: Keenan Allen and Mike Williams no longer in the receiving

1584
01:22:56,600 --> 01:22:59,519
Speaker 2: corps for the Chargers only have thirty six receptions? Well,

1585
01:22:59,520 --> 01:23:01,479
Speaker 2: he was run a lot of the deeper routes, which

1586
01:23:01,520 --> 01:23:06,160
Speaker 2: are lower percentage throws. Brandon Bean didn't look at how

1587
01:23:06,280 --> 01:23:10,760
Speaker 2: many what his production was. He simply looked at is

1588
01:23:10,800 --> 01:23:14,479
Speaker 2: he opened downfield and the vast majority of the time

1589
01:23:15,160 --> 01:23:19,479
Speaker 2: he was Herbert just didn't target him. And I think

1590
01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:22,519
Speaker 2: Brandon Bean looked at that and said, I got a

1591
01:23:22,520 --> 01:23:24,920
Speaker 2: guy who's not afraid to rip it down the field

1592
01:23:24,960 --> 01:23:28,080
Speaker 2: if a guy's open. So that guy is probably a

1593
01:23:28,080 --> 01:23:30,719
Speaker 2: bigger asset for us than he is for the Chargers

1594
01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:33,719
Speaker 2: or any other team that doesn't have a quarterback willing

1595
01:23:33,760 --> 01:23:36,720
Speaker 2: to take on some risk or have ultimate belief in

1596
01:23:36,760 --> 01:23:40,080
Speaker 2: their arm and their accuracy. So I think that's why

1597
01:23:40,120 --> 01:23:42,559
Speaker 2: he viewed him maybe differently than some other people did.

1598
01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:45,000
Speaker 2: And look, the proof will be in the pudding. We'll

1599
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:47,960
Speaker 2: see what it reveals. But I think most people would

1600
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:52,960
Speaker 2: agree that Palmer and Moore and what they'll bring to

1601
01:23:53,000 --> 01:23:57,160
Speaker 2: this offense from a speed standpoint and a separation standpoint

1602
01:23:57,280 --> 01:24:00,800
Speaker 2: will be superior to what Holland's and Cooper brought to

1603
01:24:00,840 --> 01:24:03,120
Speaker 2: this offense last year at that position.

1604
01:24:03,640 --> 01:24:06,599
Speaker 3: And I'll say this one of the things that hinders

1605
01:24:06,680 --> 01:24:10,640
Speaker 3: us in our ability to break new finger quotes break news.

1606
01:24:11,200 --> 01:24:14,519
Speaker 3: We're live, I mean we're on right now, and when

1607
01:24:14,960 --> 01:24:17,639
Speaker 3: this popped up on our timeline on social media, we

1608
01:24:17,640 --> 01:24:20,320
Speaker 3: were the ones who told you were And when we

1609
01:24:20,360 --> 01:24:22,760
Speaker 3: come on line, when we come on live, most of

1610
01:24:22,800 --> 01:24:25,040
Speaker 3: the news is already known. So we we reported at

1611
01:24:25,040 --> 01:24:27,040
Speaker 3: the top of the show, and then as it comes out,

1612
01:24:27,320 --> 01:24:30,599
Speaker 3: we're second because we can't tell you until tomorrow at

1613
01:24:30,600 --> 01:24:33,800
Speaker 3: one right, right or or?

1614
01:24:34,439 --> 01:24:36,759
Speaker 2: I mean the fact is, yes, we're in house media.

1615
01:24:36,800 --> 01:24:41,519
Speaker 2: We readily admit that, and we are at the mercy

1616
01:24:41,560 --> 01:24:45,240
Speaker 2: of the organization's timeline. They decide when to put the

1617
01:24:45,280 --> 01:24:47,320
Speaker 2: information out, not us, and they don't.

1618
01:24:47,479 --> 01:24:50,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they don't really care about us being I

1619
01:24:50,840 --> 01:24:55,360
Speaker 3: say that, they don't really look at us as being, Hey,

1620
01:24:55,439 --> 01:24:57,040
Speaker 3: let's get it out there as fast as we can.

1621
01:24:57,080 --> 01:25:01,439
Speaker 3: About Maxwell Harrison, let's called especialis especially injured. Yeah, let's

1622
01:25:01,439 --> 01:25:04,240
Speaker 3: talk about let's call Brownie and Tasker and tell them

1623
01:25:04,280 --> 01:25:06,200
Speaker 3: to get it out that maxim You know.

1624
01:25:06,560 --> 01:25:09,360
Speaker 2: That's usually they don't care NFL teams out, they don't

1625
01:25:09,360 --> 01:25:09,960
Speaker 2: care about that.

1626
01:25:10,439 --> 01:25:13,120
Speaker 3: And plus it was agents and stuff that usually get

1627
01:25:13,120 --> 01:25:15,800
Speaker 3: this stuff out, and it's the it's you know, the

1628
01:25:15,840 --> 01:25:18,240
Speaker 3: Adam Schefters of the world who get calls from the

1629
01:25:18,280 --> 01:25:23,679
Speaker 3: agents who put this stuff out. We're and we actually

1630
01:25:23,720 --> 01:25:25,800
Speaker 3: probably get it out as fast as anybody. You talk

1631
01:25:25,840 --> 01:25:28,400
Speaker 3: about us getting a second even if we're second, we're

1632
01:25:28,439 --> 01:25:31,240
Speaker 3: before ninety nine percent of the other people because we're

1633
01:25:31,280 --> 01:25:33,840
Speaker 3: on live and it pops up on social media and

1634
01:25:33,880 --> 01:25:35,760
Speaker 3: in real time, in real time, and if it's a

1635
01:25:35,800 --> 01:25:38,679
Speaker 3: credible source. We get it and we put it out there.

1636
01:25:39,520 --> 01:25:43,040
Speaker 2: But yeah, the for for as much.

1637
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:46,200
Speaker 3: As Bill's fans listen to us, and we appreciate it,

1638
01:25:46,240 --> 01:25:48,639
Speaker 3: and we get a lot of feedback, positive feedback, and

1639
01:25:48,680 --> 01:25:50,920
Speaker 3: we get big numbers on YouTube and the whole thing.

1640
01:25:51,360 --> 01:25:53,840
Speaker 3: The simple fact of the matter is, you know, we're

1641
01:25:57,240 --> 01:26:00,120
Speaker 3: Brandon Bean and Sean McDermott. They don't have us on

1642
01:26:00,160 --> 01:26:02,400
Speaker 3: speed dial at one Bill's Drive. I mean, they got

1643
01:26:02,479 --> 01:26:04,920
Speaker 3: other stuff going on right right, so they got you know,

1644
01:26:04,960 --> 01:26:08,200
Speaker 3: we're down the list. So and we appreciate what the

1645
01:26:08,240 --> 01:26:10,439
Speaker 3: stuff they do, give us access and all that stuff,

1646
01:26:10,439 --> 01:26:13,400
Speaker 3: but yeah, that's not what we're about here then, and

1647
01:26:14,080 --> 01:26:16,600
Speaker 3: the club doesn't use us like that. But because of

1648
01:26:16,640 --> 01:26:19,720
Speaker 3: social media, we're we may not be first, but we

1649
01:26:19,800 --> 01:26:20,479
Speaker 3: may be second.

1650
01:26:21,240 --> 01:26:21,439
Speaker 2: You know.

1651
01:26:21,640 --> 01:26:25,160
Speaker 3: So because we're on live, if it breaks while we're

1652
01:26:25,160 --> 01:26:29,040
Speaker 3: on the air, you get it right away. So that's

1653
01:26:29,160 --> 01:26:32,360
Speaker 3: kind of why it's the nature of the business at

1654
01:26:32,360 --> 01:26:34,760
Speaker 3: the current point in history where social media kind of

1655
01:26:34,760 --> 01:26:35,479
Speaker 3: breaks everything.

1656
01:26:36,600 --> 01:26:38,760
Speaker 2: Speaking of breaks, we have to take a break here.

1657
01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:40,640
Speaker 2: But Steve and I will close things up with some

1658
01:26:40,680 --> 01:26:43,120
Speaker 2: final thoughts on the tweets sheet in terms of the

1659
01:26:43,120 --> 01:26:45,600
Speaker 2: depth of which position group will be most critical to

1660
01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:47,800
Speaker 2: the Bills in twenty twenty five. Some final thoughts next

1661
01:26:47,840 --> 01:27:05,320
Speaker 2: here on One Bill's Life. Stay with us, all right,

1662
01:27:05,360 --> 01:27:07,559
Speaker 2: Chris Brown, Steve Tasker. One final segment here on One

1663
01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:09,760
Speaker 2: Bill's Live, and we're going to pass along some final

1664
01:27:09,800 --> 01:27:13,000
Speaker 2: thoughts on the tweetsheet. It's our topic of discussion today

1665
01:27:13,040 --> 01:27:15,760
Speaker 2: has been the depth of which position group do you

1666
01:27:15,840 --> 01:27:17,880
Speaker 2: believe will be most critical to the Bills in twenty

1667
01:27:17,920 --> 01:27:21,320
Speaker 2: twenty five? Steve says, with the increased injury rates in

1668
01:27:21,320 --> 01:27:24,120
Speaker 2: today's NFL and the unpredictability of injuries, the depth of

1669
01:27:24,160 --> 01:27:27,040
Speaker 2: every position group will be critical. You cannot have a

1670
01:27:27,080 --> 01:27:31,560
Speaker 2: gaping hole at any position because you will be exposed.

1671
01:27:31,720 --> 01:27:35,040
Speaker 2: And it's hard to argue with that. And look, Brandon

1672
01:27:35,040 --> 01:27:37,160
Speaker 2: being this personnel department, I think have done a bang

1673
01:27:37,240 --> 01:27:42,479
Speaker 2: up job at filling in the roster holes that did exist.

1674
01:27:43,400 --> 01:27:45,800
Speaker 3: And what this turns out our question today turned out

1675
01:27:45,840 --> 01:27:47,679
Speaker 3: to be is where do you think the Bills are thinnest?

1676
01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:50,240
Speaker 3: You know, well, right, because every I mean you look

1677
01:27:50,240 --> 01:27:54,600
Speaker 3: at the injury list and nobody's escaped. Yeah, And a

1678
01:27:54,600 --> 01:27:56,800
Speaker 3: lot of people did focus on the most either the

1679
01:27:56,800 --> 01:27:59,519
Speaker 3: most important position group to begin with in the O line,

1680
01:27:59,600 --> 01:28:01,840
Speaker 3: D line or whatever, or to the ones that have

1681
01:28:01,920 --> 01:28:05,080
Speaker 3: had the most recent injuries, and that's the DBS kind

1682
01:28:05,120 --> 01:28:07,679
Speaker 3: of thing. And the wide receivers as well. We didn't

1683
01:28:07,680 --> 01:28:09,559
Speaker 3: have anybody say wide receivers. There's a lot of those

1684
01:28:09,560 --> 01:28:11,479
Speaker 3: guys that are missing reps because they just need a

1685
01:28:11,560 --> 01:28:12,000
Speaker 3: day or two.

1686
01:28:12,600 --> 01:28:14,720
Speaker 2: Andrew on the tweet, she says, I would probably have

1687
01:28:14,760 --> 01:28:17,519
Speaker 2: to say defensive lined and end need to be better

1688
01:28:17,560 --> 01:28:20,320
Speaker 2: in that department, and we also need to stay healthier

1689
01:28:20,800 --> 01:28:24,439
Speaker 2: in that department. Bill's Chad podcast agrees it has to

1690
01:28:24,439 --> 01:28:27,000
Speaker 2: be defensive line. Right. Three of the top four draft picks,

1691
01:28:27,080 --> 01:28:31,160
Speaker 2: multiple significant swings in free agency. This group better be

1692
01:28:31,320 --> 01:28:34,120
Speaker 2: much better. So we mentioned this too.

1693
01:28:34,760 --> 01:28:37,760
Speaker 3: They've thrown a lot of assets at that position group,

1694
01:28:37,880 --> 01:28:41,240
Speaker 3: absolutely draft picks, free agent signings with Von Miller and

1695
01:28:41,240 --> 01:28:45,719
Speaker 3: now Joey Bosa high draft picks as well. And also,

1696
01:28:45,880 --> 01:28:48,400
Speaker 3: as Brownie pointed out, they've got a coaching staff that's

1697
01:28:48,400 --> 01:28:50,800
Speaker 3: been refurbished on that side of the ball. So they

1698
01:28:50,840 --> 01:28:55,040
Speaker 3: have thrown a lot of stuff at this issue trying

1699
01:28:55,040 --> 01:28:58,800
Speaker 3: to get better. So yeah, I think there is some

1700
01:28:58,840 --> 01:28:59,639
Speaker 3: pressure over there.

1701
01:29:00,000 --> 01:29:03,040
Speaker 2: The Act says defense in general, at every level of

1702
01:29:03,080 --> 01:29:06,400
Speaker 2: the d Bills have guys who's extensive injury histories, Bosa

1703
01:29:06,439 --> 01:29:08,639
Speaker 2: and the aging Jones on D line, Trey and Ramp

1704
01:29:08,640 --> 01:29:12,240
Speaker 2: in the secondary, and Milano and Bernard Specter gets hurt.

1705
01:29:12,240 --> 01:29:15,240
Speaker 2: It's worrisome. Yeah, injuries are gonna worry you. We get it.

1706
01:29:15,920 --> 01:29:18,200
Speaker 2: But I think this roster is as deep as it's

1707
01:29:18,240 --> 01:29:21,479
Speaker 2: been in some time, and it's younger and that's a positive.

1708
01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:25,240
Speaker 2: Steve and I will be right back at training camp tomorrow.

1709
01:29:25,640 --> 01:29:28,599
Speaker 2: Have full coverage of Thursday's practice set to have Day

1710
01:29:28,680 --> 01:29:31,360
Speaker 2: Kwon Jones on set without afterwards. You don't want to

1711
01:29:31,360 --> 01:29:32,280
Speaker 2: miss it. We'll see at one