1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,000 Speaker 1: Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve Camray. 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to stuff mom never told you? 3 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:17,480 Speaker 1: From House to works dot Com. Hello, and welcome to 4 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: the podcast. I'm Kristen and I'm the magical most Well, 5 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 1: I really hope that you don't mind me sharing this 6 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 1: with our listeners. But ladies and gents, this might have 7 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 1: been Molly's favorite podcast research you might have seen on 8 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 1: your iTunes queue women in magic? What are these girls 9 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 1: talking about? Wow? Folks, Molly gunned hard for this man. 10 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 1: Molly I think might be secretly pursuing some kind of 11 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:53,559 Speaker 1: career in magic, magic and of lousions. Yeah, because she 12 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 1: she sent me a list of articles and said we 13 00:00:56,600 --> 00:01:01,319 Speaker 1: have to do this. Well, Kristen mentioned magic offhand one 14 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:05,039 Speaker 1: day and it suddenly struck me. I've never seen a 15 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: female magician. And I said something like I've never seen 16 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: a female magician, and Kristin dismissed me. But never dismissed me, folks, 17 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:15,759 Speaker 1: because like a rabbit, I will reappear out of your 18 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 1: hat to remind you of gender differences, which is what 19 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: I did. I went, which is why I never wear 20 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 1: a hat to work, because I'm always trying to pull 21 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:26,919 Speaker 1: things out of it. Um So, anyway, once once Kristin 22 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 1: dismissed my magic idea, I turned to the magical Internet, 23 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: if you will, and found a great article by Peter 24 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: Nardi that was called why have women Magicians Vanished? Which 25 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 1: confirmed all my beliefs that this was a totally, uh 26 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 1: gender segregated profession. And granted it's not the most popular profession. 27 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: I mean it's it's not like this is a gender 28 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: problem we need to solve because it affects so many women, 29 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 1: like you know, Wall Street, let's say. But it's a 30 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 1: problem nonetheless, because what we're gonna get into them, and 31 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 1: this might be what Kristen is laughing at me about, 32 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 1: is that when you look at these tricks, they are 33 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:11,799 Speaker 1: so loaded with gender implications that I'm just amazed we 34 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: made it this far almost more than two years now, 35 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:17,919 Speaker 1: Christal without getting to the topic of women in magic, Well, 36 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 1: it's gonna start protesting magic shows, children's birthday parties, and magicians. 37 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:25,959 Speaker 1: It's going to be great. Well, and you know, once 38 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 1: you start trying to find female magicians, it's very hard 39 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: to find that find some that don't perform in bikinis, 40 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: which is a whole another topic. And like the clothes 41 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 1: disape like their clothes disappear, like, yeah, a self respecting 42 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: male magician wouldn't make his closes they are texedos. It's 43 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:45,399 Speaker 1: it's um, it's very it's it's so loaded. I can't 44 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:47,079 Speaker 1: wait to start talking about Let's start talking about I 45 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: start talking about it. Now we have to clarify that 46 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 1: this is stage magic. This is stuff like card trip um, 47 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: sleight of hand, disappearing acts and illusions. Think of Joe 48 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 1: Bluth from Arrested development Um and a favorite magician probably 49 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: mine too, for all is problems in executing tricks Um. 50 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 1: Because when you are searching for women in magic, it's 51 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 1: important to make that distinction. Christ because when you're searching 52 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 1: for one in magic, it's easy to find people like 53 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 1: tarot card readers, psychics. I mean, there's magic is a 54 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 1: broad definition, but we are talking about stage magic, and uh, 55 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 1: you know, making that distinction. It was very important in 56 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:32,239 Speaker 1: the early days of magic becoming entertainment because and I 57 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:33,639 Speaker 1: think this will get into one of the reasons why 58 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 1: women might have been wearied to join the fields of 59 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 1: this profession was because at the time they were burning witches. 60 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: They were burning witches. Yeah, obviously, magic, the dark magic, 61 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: the occultish magic, if you will, was associated largely with 62 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 1: old women. And we had we did a podcast a 63 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: long time ago about women and witchcraft, and a lot 64 00:03:56,800 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 1: of times these were just single, older, married, childless women 65 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 1: who were demonized in their villages whenever some kind of 66 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: illness would or some kind of natural disaster would befall 67 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: the people. So when when people start becoming interested in 68 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 1: things like juggling and making you know, a ball disappear 69 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 1: under a cup, people didn't automatically think, oh, this is entertainment. 70 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: They thought it was the same sort of dark magic. 71 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 1: And these people, you know, we're we're dangerous. And so 72 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:31,799 Speaker 1: in four we have kind of a big turning point 73 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 1: because Reginald Scott published a book called Discovery of Witchcraft, 74 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 1: and this was a book that made the argument that 75 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: magicians weren't witches, basically by exposing how a lot of 76 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 1: tricks were done. But you know, just making the point 77 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:48,039 Speaker 1: that if if someone knows how to juggle, it's because 78 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 1: they know how to throw things in the air, not 79 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 1: that they are working in conjunction with the devil to 80 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 1: levitate objects and this makes sense because a right around 81 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: this time in the sixteenth century, we have this backlash 82 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:05,480 Speaker 1: of well, I guess, intellectual backlash if you will, of 83 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 1: rational skepticism against all of these kind of um, I guess, 84 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 1: church driven hyper religious overtones that were sending you know, 85 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 1: women to the stake for witchcraft when they, in fact 86 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:22,279 Speaker 1: weren't doing anything at all. And so Scott was trying 87 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 1: to point out, like you said, that hey, these jugglers 88 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: were just doing these fancy little tricks. They're not summoning 89 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 1: up demons to hold the balls in the air for 90 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:34,799 Speaker 1: them or something like that. And he actually breaks down 91 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 1: some of these magic tricks that are not unlike the 92 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: illusions that one might see today. And you would think 93 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: that centuries later, this connection between witchcraft and magic would 94 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 1: be done. You know, that was a long time ago, 95 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 1: but it's still brought up. You know, even in this 96 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:51,359 Speaker 1: two thousand ten article by Nardi, is this you know, 97 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:55,039 Speaker 1: sort of uh, specter, I guess, just hanging over the 98 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 1: magic field that if a woman does something like you know, 99 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:04,040 Speaker 1: make something disappear, conjure something, it still has that associations 100 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: in people's mind of the occult. So that's something that 101 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 1: keeps coming up. And another thing that was keeping women 102 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 1: out of magic back in the day were the all 103 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:17,719 Speaker 1: male magician guilds. I mean it's we kind of see 104 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 1: the same thing like when we were talking about our 105 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 1: podcast on women in art, the artists guilds which were 106 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 1: exclusively for um, for men, and uh so you have 107 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 1: the same thing even with magic. And even today in 108 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:36,279 Speaker 1: l A there's this place called what is it the 109 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:39,720 Speaker 1: Magic Castle, I believe, um, which a friend of mine 110 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 1: is actually pen to the Magic Castle and incredibly jealous. 111 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:45,599 Speaker 1: But when you walked into the Magic Castle, which is 112 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 1: this kind of enclave for higher end magicians, you don't 113 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 1: seem any women hanging around. It's guys and suits. Right. 114 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 1: It was only in the last few decades that they 115 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 1: allowed women into some of their magic clubs and guilds, 116 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 1: and even today female membership and those clubs hovers around 117 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 1: five percent, very low. And I think that this discouraging 118 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:09,039 Speaker 1: of women in magic starts when you're a kid. I 119 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: remember my brother playing with magic kit when he was 120 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 1: a young boy, putting on his magic ticks as he 121 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 1: called them for us. He couldn't see his ours, um, 122 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 1: but you know the on the front of the kit 123 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 1: was a boy. Yeah, I think that. You know, female 124 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 1: magicians have mentioned that over and over again that when 125 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: you're looking in magazines, Uh, all the magazines feature male magicians. 126 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: All the toys feature male magicians because you know, I 127 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 1: think just for one simple reason, because they're all wearing 128 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: the tuxedo and we don't think of women wearing tuxedos. Well, 129 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 1: and let's go to this Miller mccun article that you 130 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 1: talked about earlier, which was the one that you sent 131 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 1: me that really got this magic ball rolling magic ball. 132 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 1: And aside from the witchcraft connection and these kind of 133 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 1: gender roles we're talking about, the author Peter Nardi points 134 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:02,239 Speaker 1: out that there might be some other aspects at work 135 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 1: that are that has created this gender gap in magic. 136 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 1: And I don't necessarily buy all of his points, but 137 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: I do you do? Okay, Well then, Molly, please, well 138 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 1: which one did you have trouble with? I bet you 139 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: have trouble with the masculinity of a magic wand that's 140 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 1: what dont have a magic Wand yeah, I mean that's 141 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 1: a little much for me. I mean, let's be honest, 142 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 1: it can be phallic looking a magic wand yeah, they're 143 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 1: always talking about boys and their toys, and so he 144 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 1: makes that point that the instruments of magic, wand sword, sauces, 145 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 1: these are things that we associate with men, and we 146 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: associate with power. And here's I bet another one where 147 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 1: you had some trouble buying the argument that magic is 148 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 1: a display of power and we're uncomfortable with watching women 149 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: on a stage exercising power, particularly over men. Well, here's 150 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 1: the thing I could see that, you know, back in 151 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:59,680 Speaker 1: Reginald Scott's days, back in the sixteenth century. Today, however, 152 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 1: just yeah, I don't know, you know, by it. I 153 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:04,680 Speaker 1: don't really buy it. I think that we might have 154 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:07,960 Speaker 1: progressed beyond that point. What I do buy, though, is 155 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 1: that most magic instruction is designed for men with jackets, 156 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:15,199 Speaker 1: and women's clothes don't have pockets a lot of times 157 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 1: and can't reach into breast pockets. Although there was one 158 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 1: funny anecdote from a magician and another article that came 159 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 1: across and they were, you know, she was wearing a 160 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 1: strapless dress to perform her magic, and someone was like, 161 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 1: where did those doves come from? And she was like, 162 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 1: but you never noticed how flat chested I am. Pallusions allusions, 163 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 1: but speaking of that too, since magic has been more 164 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:43,679 Speaker 1: popular among men, the tools that they need, because this 165 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 1: is a highly kind of technical art, you know, Joe 166 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 1: Blue test to buy magic tombs, yes, and things like that, 167 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 1: and a lot of times these tools are built for 168 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: for men, except for things where they need an assist, 169 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:02,679 Speaker 1: right for assistance, like if you have a box that's 170 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: someone you're gonna saw in half, or someone's going to 171 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:07,959 Speaker 1: disappear from they're going to be small. So they think 172 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:11,439 Speaker 1: that's why women have been pigeonholed into the role of assistant, 173 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 1: because they're the only ones who can, you know, crawl 174 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 1: into a very small box, who are flexible to crawl 175 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 1: into this to the small box. And uh, there's actually 176 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 1: a documentary made called Women in Little Box as the 177 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 1: examined the role of the magician's assistant and why we 178 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 1: so often associate women with that assistant role. And many 179 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 1: magicians have said, it's the assistant who does all the work. 180 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: They're the ones who've got to you know, go through 181 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 1: a trap door maneuver like some pulley with their toes. 182 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 1: What they're actually doing was of course made very obscure 183 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 1: by the article. Since we're not sworn to the magician code, 184 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 1: and we can't find out how the trick is actually done. 185 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:51,199 Speaker 1: We can't get into the magic castle. But they're saying 186 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 1: that it's actually the assistant who is the real magician. 187 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 1: So it's That's what's kind of interesting about this is 188 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 1: despite the fact that it's very hard to name a 189 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 1: female magician off the top of my head, the fact 190 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 1: is they were probably pulling the strings behind many of 191 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 1: the male magicians that we could name but speaking of 192 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 1: which were like, why don't we name a few famous 193 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: women magicians. That's a great idea, Christen. One that I 194 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:17,840 Speaker 1: was particularly impressed with, who was highlighted in a two 195 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 1: thousand eight article of Bus magazine was Dorothy Dietrick because 196 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: she pulled off a trick that even Harry Houdini would 197 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: not attempt. Yeah, this was an intense trick. She held 198 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: a metal cup in her mouth and caught a twenty 199 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 1: two caliber bullet and someone shot a gun at her face, 200 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: and she caught the bullet in this cup. And it 201 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: has killed twelve men since people have started trying this trick. 202 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:48,200 Speaker 1: And so by doing this in she has earned her place, 203 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 1: as Nichol Summer says in the Pantheon of magic history. 204 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 1: Now there's also del O'Dell, who was the original Queen 205 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 1: of Magic and she was born in nineteen o two 206 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: and grew up in Handsas and she this is awesome. 207 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 1: She developed a strong woman act and actually won the 208 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 1: title of Miss Physical Culture, and then she started to 209 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:14,319 Speaker 1: integrate magic into her strong woman act and also had 210 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:18,080 Speaker 1: a pretty pretty rise sense of humor as well. And 211 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 1: people just loved hell O'Dell and she was, Yeah, she 212 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: was a celebrity of the day. She had her own 213 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 1: half hour show. She was on books and stamp albums 214 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 1: and dolls. So I think that really is one exception 215 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 1: to the to the thing that we don't know the 216 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 1: names of a female magicians. So if we had grown 217 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:34,199 Speaker 1: up in that age, maybe it would have. Well, yeah, 218 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 1: because Bus Magazine points out that in the fifties and 219 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:41,440 Speaker 1: sixties there was a search of lady magicians on the 220 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 1: scene and they were becoming more accepted along with you know, 221 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: them showing up more in the workplace, and you know, 222 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 1: we have the slow rise of second way feminism around 223 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 1: this time and all this stuff. And also Vegas and 224 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:59,559 Speaker 1: also Vegas, yeah, uh, they Vegas and the nightclub scene 225 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:04,079 Speaker 1: out there. He needed something new and spectacular every night 226 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:08,839 Speaker 1: to keep audiences coming back for more, and lady magicians 227 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:12,679 Speaker 1: were a big crowd pleaser because it was unconventional. And 228 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:15,239 Speaker 1: you know a lot of the magicians who are profiled 229 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 1: in this Bust magazine article which we'll put up on 230 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 1: our blog round up and that publishes uh is that 231 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 1: there they were originally drawn to magic because a boy 232 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 1: or a man said they couldn't do it. One magician, 233 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 1: celest Evans, you know, she was playing with some boys 234 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:33,079 Speaker 1: one day and they tied her up because she was 235 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 1: going to play the damsel in distress role. You know 236 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:36,679 Speaker 1: that they were going to come and rescue her at 237 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 1: the last minute before the train ran her over and 238 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 1: she got out of the ropes on her own, and 239 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 1: someone saw her and said who do you think you are? Hohodini? 240 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 1: And she's like, well, don't really know who this Whodini 241 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 1: fellow is. I beary go find out. And she realized 242 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 1: that because she had the skill and because she found 243 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 1: out Whodini was, she was going to pursue this career 244 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 1: in magic. And we should also add that that Sliss 245 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:00,959 Speaker 1: Evans is the one who pulled doves out of her 246 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 1: small just ra and these magicians talk about how when 247 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 1: they're rising in the ranks that you know, it was 248 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:10,559 Speaker 1: very much you know, they did come across that boys 249 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 1: club where men wouldn't tell them the secrets of the 250 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 1: magic Society and wouldn't help them with their stage performance 251 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 1: and things like that. And it does circle back to 252 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 1: this idea of men having power that we were talking 253 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: about earlier and not willing to see that to someone 254 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 1: who might take their job or might upstage them. So 255 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 1: I think that that's something we do see that is 256 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 1: a parallel to Wall Street, let's say, and that it's 257 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 1: hard for these women to find mentors and someone who 258 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 1: can bring them up because of the power that men hold. 259 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: And uh, speaking of male power and magic, Kristen, I 260 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 1: think we need to talk about the first time that 261 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 1: a man made a woman disappear on stage, because if 262 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 1: you want to get into power implicit in some sort 263 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 1: of performance, I don't think we can get much better 264 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 1: than that story. And this is coming from a paper 265 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 1: by Karen Beakman called Vanishing Women, Magic, Film and Feminism 266 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 1: and the setting just just to give you, you know, 267 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 1: an idea of when this is taking place. We are 268 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 1: in Victorian era Britain around the eighteen fifties, there is 269 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: some economic trouble. There are a lot more women who 270 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 1: are choosing to not get married, were remaining single around 271 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: this time surplus of women. It was declared by the census. Yeah, 272 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 1: and we then that came up also in our spinster 273 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 1: podcast is when that whole negative notion of a spinster, 274 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 1: if you will, um comes up. So you've got all 275 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 1: these women, Yeah, all these ladies. They they are starting 276 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 1: to have fishy ideas like wanting to vote, make their 277 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 1: own money, like whoa all right, So the British Man 278 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 1: is a little intimidated not to mention. At this time, 279 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 1: Britain is an imperial power. They've got colonies all over 280 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 1: the country. And one man even oakingly says, you know, 281 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 1: we've got Australia. We could just send all these women there, 282 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: get rid of all the extra women. Yeah, they really 283 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: did consider all these women making them vanish. So do 284 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 1: you see do you see where this is going? Yeah? 285 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 1: Karen Beekman takes it there, guys, because another one of 286 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: their imperial uh involvements was India. And now she writes 287 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 1: about how the Indian mutiny is linked strangely to this 288 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 1: first magic trick, because a lot of the magic tricks 289 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 1: that did become popular in that time they got from 290 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 1: India and other places that they were traveling to. And 291 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 1: so there was this mutiny in which many women and 292 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 1: children were killed, uh, British women and children, and so 293 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 1: this was really an attack, another attack. She writes on 294 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 1: British manhood that not only at home did they have 295 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 1: these women threatening to take more power, that they had 296 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: their colonial subjects killing their women and making this violence 297 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 1: against the British body very um apparent. It was very raw, 298 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 1: big wound for them. And so she writes them that 299 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:07,479 Speaker 1: seeing the first woman disappear on stage in six by 300 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 1: magician Charles Bertram sort of was a way to wrap 301 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 1: up all these inadequacies into a way uh and and 302 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 1: take back that power. Because what you're doing is you're 303 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:20,400 Speaker 1: putting a woman in a box, the superfluous woman who 304 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:23,680 Speaker 1: does no good to your society except want things and 305 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 1: make her disappear. But you know, as a magic trick, 306 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 1: you still bring her back, which is what separates you 307 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 1: from the Indians who massacred all these women. And so 308 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 1: that she really writes, you can take it with a 309 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:39,439 Speaker 1: grain of salt. It's a very deep reading about how 310 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 1: uh these these British audiences really responded to the idea 311 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:49,120 Speaker 1: of making a superfo superfluous woman disappear, bringing her back 312 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 1: in a way that didn't align yourself with the violence 313 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 1: of the savages that you were dealing with abroad. Yes, 314 00:17:56,320 --> 00:18:00,880 Speaker 1: heavy stuff, very deep reading. Indeed, So do we want 315 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 1: to talk a little bit about this Vanishing Woman act then? So? 316 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 1: According to Beakman, the een eighties was the decade of 317 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 1: vanishing women. When this trick first came on the scene. 318 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:18,160 Speaker 1: It uh became very popular, very quickly, and it all started. 319 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:20,359 Speaker 1: It made like the newspapers every day for a month. 320 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 1: That's how cool it was that this magician had made 321 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 1: a woman disappeared. Man um slow news month. Uh. And 322 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 1: this starts in eighteen eighties six with a French born 323 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 1: Hungarian magician, Okay, who comes up with this act called 324 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:44,640 Speaker 1: Surprise the Vanishing Lady. Now, in writing about this Vanishing 325 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 1: Lady act, when it first happened August six six, a 326 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:51,159 Speaker 1: day that will go down in the history books, I 327 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 1: would love to be at the Magic Castle that I'm 328 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 1: kind of chum that day. I wonder if they celebrate it. 329 00:18:55,880 --> 00:19:00,119 Speaker 1: But there was another magician who wrote years later her 330 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:04,400 Speaker 1: about um seeing this trick, and he describes it as 331 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:08,879 Speaker 1: what is considered by every known professor of the magic 332 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:12,400 Speaker 1: art to be the most perfect and most startling stage 333 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:17,639 Speaker 1: trick which has ever been produced. And it was. I 334 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 1: don't know now reading the description of it, you're kind 335 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:22,919 Speaker 1: of a little bit are you still mystified by it? Kristen? 336 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 1: If this guy picked up a woman who he describes 337 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:31,200 Speaker 1: the writer describes as not petite, which Beckman makes the 338 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 1: point he weighed a little over nine stone. Beckman makes 339 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 1: the point that this was a really overt way of 340 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 1: saying women take up too much space in our society. 341 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 1: The fact that he noted that, now you can take 342 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 1: that with a great assault too. I think he was 343 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 1: just saying, well, she was bigger, so there's more to disappear. Okay, 344 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:50,159 Speaker 1: So I gets this someone on stage. He puts a 345 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 1: red silk covering over her, and Beckman claims this is 346 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 1: a sign of the India connection because it had come 347 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:04,400 Speaker 1: from India, and then he does a little magic. She disappears, Yeah, 348 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:06,680 Speaker 1: she disappears. She's sitting in this chair under the shawl. 349 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 1: Next thing, you know, Bingo Bengo, she's in the audience. 350 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:14,680 Speaker 1: She's in the audience, totally freaking some audience members out too, 351 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:20,160 Speaker 1: because according to this illustration, uh, they're all bad. Yeah, 352 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 1: they are mystified. So with this incredibly simple trick, this 353 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:28,440 Speaker 1: doesn't even involve you know, like an Egyptian tomb like 354 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:32,359 Speaker 1: Joe Bluth might use. Um, this is just a chair 355 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:36,679 Speaker 1: and a shawl and a woman disappearing. Something that's simple 356 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:43,879 Speaker 1: in uh really just blew people's minds. It blew people's minds, 357 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 1: and it blew Karen Beckman's minds and mine when she 358 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 1: presented her research on how everything was connected like match 359 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 1: like magic, and um, I think it really set the 360 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:58,920 Speaker 1: tone for modern magic. It did. I think the vanishing 361 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:02,160 Speaker 1: woman act well. I think that you have, um a 362 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 1: picture in your mind now of the woman as the 363 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 1: lovely assistant who will crawl into a box or be 364 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 1: the one that disappears. And you know, one site made 365 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 1: the point would we be comfortable watching a woman make 366 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:18,639 Speaker 1: a man disappear? Or would that seem you know, uh 367 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 1: to too politically loaded. I think that if if we 368 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:23,879 Speaker 1: tried to reverse the trick today, it be impossible to 369 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 1: ignore the gender implications, Whereas I think the reason I 370 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 1: respond to the argument that Beppa makes in this paper 371 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 1: is that you know, why didn't we You know there 372 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 1: was a reason to pay attention to the gender implications 373 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 1: of what they were doing then as well. Um, so 374 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 1: I think it'd be interesting to see what what it 375 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 1: would look like in reverse. I know there are some 376 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 1: editions out there that can be kind of cheeky and 377 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 1: get the mail volunteer from the audience and and do 378 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 1: the reverse. But you know, the argument keeps coming back 379 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 1: is would you be comfortable watching a woman do that? 380 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 1: Or do we respond more to a man in that 381 00:21:56,480 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 1: charismatic role and you know he's not evil because he 382 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:03,120 Speaker 1: makes her reappear well. And I'll just throw out this 383 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 1: one little theory of mine, Molly, I'm ready for the end. 384 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:13,360 Speaker 1: Perhaps women are especially suited to do the magician's assistant role, 385 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:17,199 Speaker 1: if you will, because they are in charge of distracting 386 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:20,199 Speaker 1: the eye a lot of times while the magician is 387 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 1: preparing his illusion. Like you said, magician's assistant is really 388 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:25,640 Speaker 1: the one doing all of the grunt work to pull 389 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 1: off a successful trick. And I would say that a 390 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:35,640 Speaker 1: dazzling lady perhaps is more, is more eye catching than 391 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 1: a dude in a suit? You know who would you 392 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 1: pay attention to John Hamm and a suit? Okay, you 393 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:44,639 Speaker 1: you just change things, see exactly. This is gonna be 394 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 1: my new career everyone. I'm gonna be the magical Molly. 395 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go around and do feminist loaded magic tricks. 396 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:54,880 Speaker 1: My slide of hand, uh distracting assistant be John Hamm. 397 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,719 Speaker 1: Maybe you could make you know, Josh and Chuck from 398 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:00,640 Speaker 1: stuff you should not disappear or turn them in to rabbits. 399 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,919 Speaker 1: Oh can't you imagine if you had a little keyte rabbits, 400 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 1: Josh and Chuck rabbits. That would be kind of cute, 401 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,919 Speaker 1: the little faces as rabbits. I'm picturing it now, all 402 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:11,880 Speaker 1: right before we, you know, start just planning our our 403 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:14,440 Speaker 1: magic show extravagant. We're going to turn all the house 404 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:18,680 Speaker 1: to first podcasters into something into something I don't know, man, 405 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,399 Speaker 1: I'm gonna turn Jonathan and Chris into computers. All this 406 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 1: magic stuff is really taken over Molly's brain. I'm getting 407 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:27,359 Speaker 1: a little concerned. I'm just yeah, is that why you 408 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 1: wore a top hat to work today? Molly? Today and 409 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 1: every day until the end of time. So we want 410 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:34,879 Speaker 1: to know, We want to know what you think about 411 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,920 Speaker 1: this whole magic conundrum. Is it just are there any 412 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 1: gender politics associated with magic? Or is it just for 413 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 1: a bygone crazy has probably got a little crazy, our 414 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:46,639 Speaker 1: allusions just meant for to entertain. Or is there something 415 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 1: to the fact that, hey, you know, why are there 416 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:53,920 Speaker 1: only lady assistance? All entertainment has cultural So this true? 417 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 1: This is true? So let us know your thoughts. Send 418 00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 1: us a magical email at Mom's stuff and how stuff 419 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 1: we're dot com and really is an email pretty magical 420 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 1: because just coast through like just goes from one computer 421 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 1: or to an order. Yeah, I don't even see it. 422 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 1: Magic is everywhere. People sils through some some emails. I've 423 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 1: got one from Tia who's running about the Guerrilla Girls podcast, 424 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:22,440 Speaker 1: and she writes of one of our favorite subjects, Canada. 425 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:26,359 Speaker 1: She says, I want to shift attention up north. As 426 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,680 Speaker 1: a Canadian, I felt I should plug two iconic folk 427 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 1: artists who are revered nationally, Emily Car and maud Lewis. 428 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 1: Emily Car is probably the most prolific and well known 429 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:36,879 Speaker 1: of the two. Moud Lewis is a Nova Scotia and 430 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,159 Speaker 1: hero who has an entire display devoted to her at 431 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 1: the Art Gallery of Nova Scotia, complete with her original house. 432 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 1: While it's true the outside of Canada these names probably 433 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,119 Speaker 1: do not mean much. Within the country, they have always 434 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:49,879 Speaker 1: been respected for their amazing works and never titled as 435 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:53,360 Speaker 1: female or woman artist, but simply artist. I find, in fact, 436 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 1: when you ask the average Canadians name a Canadian artist, 437 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,640 Speaker 1: these who are usually names mentioned well before a majority 438 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 1: of male artist. Just another reason that we love Canada. 439 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 1: Canada rocks. All right. I've got one here from Lindsay 440 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,360 Speaker 1: and this is in response to our episode on how 441 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 1: breakups work in your brain, and she says, I'm so 442 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,880 Speaker 1: excited to hear that they are scientific studies supporting two 443 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 1: terms my friends and I have coined called distraction itis 444 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,399 Speaker 1: and forget the bad itis. Forget the bad itis is 445 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,160 Speaker 1: a period during an after breakup when you completely forget 446 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 1: all of the horrible parts of the relationship that made 447 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 1: the experience not worth it. You forget the hard feelings 448 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:33,359 Speaker 1: of fights, the nitpicking, etcetera, etcetera, and all you do 449 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 1: is think about how happy you were in those happier 450 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,159 Speaker 1: times than how you will never be that happy again, 451 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,439 Speaker 1: when you're experiencing a strong a bout of forget the 452 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 1: bad itis, your friends may end up pushing you into 453 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:47,159 Speaker 1: an even stronger a bout of distraction itis. Distractionist is 454 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 1: when you're so focused on distracting yourself and the hardships 455 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 1: of the breakup that you end up doing rather uncharacteristic 456 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 1: and sometimes self destructive things such as drinking too much, 457 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 1: one night stands, rebounding, over eating, etcetera, etcetera. There are, 458 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,399 Speaker 1: of course, positive ways to exhibit distraction itis that can 459 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 1: help you hell you forget the bad iteis. However, if 460 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,360 Speaker 1: you go down the negative route, it generally only makes 461 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:12,680 Speaker 1: you feel worse, and then forget the bad itis will 462 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 1: get much stronger. So thank you for sending on along 463 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 1: those very important terms, lindsay that I think yeah, everybody 464 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 1: does experience a little bit of both of those with 465 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,159 Speaker 1: with breakups. So if you have any stories you'd like 466 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 1: to share with us, feel free to email me and 467 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 1: Molly at Mom's Stuff at how Magical Molly I'm So 468 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 1: Sorry at Mom's Stuff at how stuff works dot com. 469 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 1: If you would like to share your thoughts get other 470 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 1: people's feedback, head over to our Facebook page and write 471 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 1: something on the wall there, or you can follow us 472 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 1: on Twitter at Mom's Stuff podcast. 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