1 00:00:04,078 --> 00:00:06,518 Speaker 1: The Book of Joe podcast is a production of My 2 00:00:06,718 --> 00:00:16,438 Speaker 1: Heart Radio. Hey there, welcome to another episode of the 3 00:00:16,478 --> 00:00:19,398 Speaker 1: Book of Joe Podcast with me, Tom Berducci and my 4 00:00:19,438 --> 00:00:22,958 Speaker 1: good buddy Joe Madden. Joe, I want to take you 5 00:00:23,038 --> 00:00:25,238 Speaker 1: down memory lane today. I hope that's okay with you, 6 00:00:27,878 --> 00:00:32,518 Speaker 1: because I'm gonna bring you back to two Young Joe 7 00:00:32,598 --> 00:00:36,158 Speaker 1: Madden is second year managing in the minor leagues. He's 8 00:00:36,198 --> 00:00:39,158 Speaker 1: twenty nine years old, and it gets a gig in 9 00:00:39,238 --> 00:00:43,998 Speaker 1: the Northwest League with the Salem Angels. Why am I 10 00:00:44,078 --> 00:00:46,798 Speaker 1: bringing that up? Well, today we have a special guest. 11 00:00:47,518 --> 00:00:51,598 Speaker 1: We have the manager of the Hillsboro Hops in the 12 00:00:51,638 --> 00:00:55,438 Speaker 1: Northwest League. And by the way, it's only about fifty 13 00:00:55,478 --> 00:01:00,198 Speaker 1: miles now, I five from Salem, the connection to Oregon 14 00:01:00,278 --> 00:01:02,798 Speaker 1: in the Northwest League all these years apart, and it's 15 00:01:02,798 --> 00:01:05,558 Speaker 1: a little bit different now because the manager now is 16 00:01:05,638 --> 00:01:09,598 Speaker 1: Ronnie Gagownik, and Ronnie, thanks so much for joining us. 17 00:01:09,678 --> 00:01:13,878 Speaker 1: Of course, I was told that your real name is Veronica, 18 00:01:14,118 --> 00:01:16,678 Speaker 1: but I guess only your mom used that what you 19 00:01:16,718 --> 00:01:19,438 Speaker 1: need to do the dishes? Is that true? Yeah? You 20 00:01:19,518 --> 00:01:22,118 Speaker 1: know what. Growing up, I used to go bowling a lot, 21 00:01:22,198 --> 00:01:24,158 Speaker 1: and Ronica didn't fit on there, and she goes, hey, 22 00:01:24,198 --> 00:01:26,358 Speaker 1: why don't we go ahead and use Ronnie? And you 23 00:01:26,398 --> 00:01:28,598 Speaker 1: know what, it's stuck ever since. But yeah, she only 24 00:01:28,638 --> 00:01:30,598 Speaker 1: calls me that whenever she is yelling at me to 25 00:01:30,638 --> 00:01:32,998 Speaker 1: do the dishes, whenever I go back home. So I 26 00:01:33,038 --> 00:01:34,878 Speaker 1: cringe a little bit every single time. You know, I 27 00:01:34,878 --> 00:01:36,478 Speaker 1: hear Ronicka. So if I did that a little bit, 28 00:01:36,758 --> 00:01:41,438 Speaker 1: that's why. So how do you say good John? It's 29 00:01:41,558 --> 00:01:46,358 Speaker 1: g jow Polish. It is Polish you and my My 30 00:01:46,878 --> 00:01:50,078 Speaker 1: real last name is actually die ovniqu g a j 31 00:01:50,438 --> 00:01:54,518 Speaker 1: o w z c k um, but my great grandfather 32 00:01:54,598 --> 00:01:56,638 Speaker 1: changed it when I came over to americanize it. I 33 00:01:56,678 --> 00:01:59,438 Speaker 1: don't know how American gagownick is, but you know what's 34 00:01:59,478 --> 00:02:02,198 Speaker 1: better than a gun? I guess. Well, the similarities continue 35 00:02:02,238 --> 00:02:04,998 Speaker 1: because I am half Polish. Also my mom's side of 36 00:02:04,998 --> 00:02:07,998 Speaker 1: the family's clothes sec. And so when I saw that, 37 00:02:08,118 --> 00:02:10,078 Speaker 1: I figured as much. I didn't I didn't put together 38 00:02:10,198 --> 00:02:12,558 Speaker 1: Veronica with Ronnie, but I think that's pretty cool too. 39 00:02:13,038 --> 00:02:17,118 Speaker 1: And then furthermore, to be situated in Oregon Um that 40 00:02:17,198 --> 00:02:19,918 Speaker 1: year in two we did win the Northwest League title. 41 00:02:19,958 --> 00:02:22,238 Speaker 1: I had some big leaguers on that team, Mark McLamore 42 00:02:22,278 --> 00:02:26,558 Speaker 1: being one of the most prominent. Kurt McCaskill was another one, 43 00:02:26,638 --> 00:02:29,598 Speaker 1: or Bonalugo. I had a great time up there. It's 44 00:02:29,918 --> 00:02:32,918 Speaker 1: the weather's you would think in the Northwest people always complain, 45 00:02:32,998 --> 00:02:35,398 Speaker 1: but it's actually pretty good in the summertime. But if 46 00:02:35,398 --> 00:02:37,518 Speaker 1: you have allergies in that neck of the woods, summer 47 00:02:37,518 --> 00:02:40,758 Speaker 1: allergies are pretty nasty. I I thought it was developing 48 00:02:40,798 --> 00:02:43,798 Speaker 1: asthma up there, but nevertheless, it's a great spot to 49 00:02:43,838 --> 00:02:47,798 Speaker 1: begin your career. Again, there are so many similarities. I'm 50 00:02:47,878 --> 00:02:50,878 Speaker 1: very very happy for you. See now, if you like parogus, 51 00:02:50,998 --> 00:02:56,358 Speaker 1: then we're definitely kindred spirits. I make podogi, I make 52 00:02:56,438 --> 00:02:59,438 Speaker 1: cold up gay. I got all that stuff in my back. Actually, 53 00:02:59,478 --> 00:03:01,998 Speaker 1: our restaurant in Chicago was the Maddness Post. We were 54 00:03:02,038 --> 00:03:05,278 Speaker 1: a fusion between iron and Polish food. We had to 55 00:03:05,278 --> 00:03:08,358 Speaker 1: shut her down. They we were making split pe pudogi, 56 00:03:08,438 --> 00:03:11,118 Speaker 1: and I promise you the best everon Do you ever 57 00:03:11,158 --> 00:03:14,278 Speaker 1: have Mrs t s petogi? No, I actually have not. Okay, Well, 58 00:03:14,278 --> 00:03:16,438 Speaker 1: that's made in Shenando, which is right down the street 59 00:03:16,438 --> 00:03:20,358 Speaker 1: from my hometown. Through everywhere. Check it out, Mrs ts 60 00:03:20,518 --> 00:03:22,838 Speaker 1: check it out. I have had those jos, I can 61 00:03:22,958 --> 00:03:26,078 Speaker 1: vouch for very good. I can't very good post games 62 00:03:26,078 --> 00:03:29,318 Speaker 1: spread at the Hillsboro Hops game paro, right, players will 63 00:03:29,358 --> 00:03:33,398 Speaker 1: just absolutely to kill the postgame spread. Well, Ronnie, let 64 00:03:33,478 --> 00:03:38,838 Speaker 1: me really congratulations um getting obviously this historic job managing 65 00:03:38,998 --> 00:03:42,118 Speaker 1: the first time a female will be managing a High 66 00:03:42,238 --> 00:03:46,198 Speaker 1: A team. So congratulations, well deserved. Um. You have to 67 00:03:46,238 --> 00:03:48,678 Speaker 1: take me back. We'll get into your background, of course, 68 00:03:48,678 --> 00:03:50,118 Speaker 1: but you have to take me back to the phone 69 00:03:50,158 --> 00:03:52,078 Speaker 1: call or maybe it was done in person when you 70 00:03:52,158 --> 00:03:54,838 Speaker 1: first found out that this was going to be your 71 00:03:54,878 --> 00:03:58,638 Speaker 1: assignment for to be a High A manager. Yeah, so 72 00:03:58,678 --> 00:04:00,838 Speaker 1: it happened. I believe it was in October that Josh 73 00:04:00,918 --> 00:04:03,238 Speaker 1: called me. I was actually out here in Arizona work 74 00:04:03,278 --> 00:04:05,998 Speaker 1: in the folly with the Salt River Rafters, and you know, 75 00:04:06,118 --> 00:04:08,958 Speaker 1: just a normal day cleaning my blinds in my apartment. 76 00:04:09,038 --> 00:04:10,558 Speaker 1: All of a sudden I get a you know, call 77 00:04:10,638 --> 00:04:14,198 Speaker 1: from Josh Barfield and I think, ano, jeez, what's gonna happen? 78 00:04:14,278 --> 00:04:16,878 Speaker 1: And I wasn't expecting a call and picked it up, 79 00:04:16,958 --> 00:04:19,118 Speaker 1: and you know, a little bit of small talk, how's 80 00:04:19,158 --> 00:04:21,278 Speaker 1: it going, you know, just cleaning my blind just a 81 00:04:21,318 --> 00:04:23,558 Speaker 1: normal day, and he goes all right, Well, we want 82 00:04:23,558 --> 00:04:25,278 Speaker 1: to go ahead and talk to you about next season. 83 00:04:26,158 --> 00:04:28,198 Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, sounds good. He's like, so we'd like 84 00:04:28,238 --> 00:04:31,358 Speaker 1: you to be in Hillsboro. Oh, wait, hold on a second, 85 00:04:31,398 --> 00:04:34,238 Speaker 1: I'm getting another call. So I'm patiently waiting there for 86 00:04:34,278 --> 00:04:37,638 Speaker 1: what feels like five minutes. Gets back on. Hey, Ronnie 87 00:04:37,718 --> 00:04:39,438 Speaker 1: is still there. I'm like, yeah, I've been here for 88 00:04:39,478 --> 00:04:42,678 Speaker 1: an hour. How's it going. Uh? He goes, uh, you know, 89 00:04:42,758 --> 00:04:44,598 Speaker 1: we want you to go ahead and manage up in Hillsboro. 90 00:04:44,918 --> 00:04:48,158 Speaker 1: And uh, it was. It was shocked. It was excitement 91 00:04:48,678 --> 00:04:51,438 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, got off the phone and um 92 00:04:51,518 --> 00:04:53,758 Speaker 1: my wife looked at me and she goes, so, where 93 00:04:53,798 --> 00:04:56,118 Speaker 1: are you going? And I told her and she cried 94 00:04:56,158 --> 00:04:58,318 Speaker 1: for the both of us. So I appreciated that so 95 00:04:58,358 --> 00:04:59,838 Speaker 1: that I didn't have to do it. So it was 96 00:05:00,078 --> 00:05:02,518 Speaker 1: it was a great moment. That's so cool. And how 97 00:05:02,558 --> 00:05:05,358 Speaker 1: about the first phone calls you made after that? Who 98 00:05:05,478 --> 00:05:07,438 Speaker 1: was the first son call? Well? I actually I didn't. 99 00:05:07,478 --> 00:05:10,278 Speaker 1: I really wanted to tell my parents, um, because you know, 100 00:05:10,318 --> 00:05:13,278 Speaker 1: they've just supported me through everything growing up, of playing softball, 101 00:05:13,318 --> 00:05:16,638 Speaker 1: playing baseball, college and whatnot. And they were actually flying 102 00:05:16,678 --> 00:05:18,798 Speaker 1: in the next week for my mom's birthday, and so 103 00:05:18,878 --> 00:05:20,718 Speaker 1: I wanted to keep it for them because I wanted 104 00:05:20,758 --> 00:05:23,518 Speaker 1: to see there and see their face in person. And 105 00:05:23,558 --> 00:05:25,958 Speaker 1: we took him out to lunch, and um, you know, 106 00:05:26,078 --> 00:05:27,798 Speaker 1: told my dad, you know, hey, you guys are gonna 107 00:05:27,798 --> 00:05:29,118 Speaker 1: come up and visit A J and I up in 108 00:05:29,198 --> 00:05:31,998 Speaker 1: Hillsboro and they both stopped mid bye, look at me, 109 00:05:32,478 --> 00:05:34,438 Speaker 1: go is that where you're going to be next year? 110 00:05:34,558 --> 00:05:36,678 Speaker 1: And uh like yeah. I was like, hey, Dad, you 111 00:05:36,758 --> 00:05:38,478 Speaker 1: got any uh you know, when you're at the games, 112 00:05:38,518 --> 00:05:39,918 Speaker 1: can you just make sure you know I'm in the 113 00:05:39,998 --> 00:05:42,118 Speaker 1: right spot when I'm in the third base coaching box. 114 00:05:42,678 --> 00:05:45,038 Speaker 1: And my dad goes and actually my mom caught it 115 00:05:45,078 --> 00:05:47,798 Speaker 1: before my dad and my dad started staring out. My 116 00:05:47,838 --> 00:05:50,638 Speaker 1: mom started tearing up, so um, so I was really 117 00:05:50,678 --> 00:05:52,038 Speaker 1: it was a really cool moment to be able to 118 00:05:52,078 --> 00:05:53,638 Speaker 1: do that in person. But to be honest with you, 119 00:05:53,678 --> 00:05:54,998 Speaker 1: I kind of blacked out a little bit, So I 120 00:05:54,998 --> 00:05:56,798 Speaker 1: don't really know who I called after that. I kinda 121 00:05:57,318 --> 00:06:00,238 Speaker 1: I really didn't tell anybody until a couple of weeks ago. 122 00:06:00,318 --> 00:06:01,838 Speaker 1: So I felt like a little bit of a ninja 123 00:06:01,878 --> 00:06:04,078 Speaker 1: and spy the past couple of months living in hog 124 00:06:04,158 --> 00:06:07,638 Speaker 1: meat out. So that was good. Just just one question 125 00:06:07,678 --> 00:06:10,358 Speaker 1: for me, now that you've gotten this position and actually 126 00:06:10,438 --> 00:06:13,998 Speaker 1: rather rapidly or quickly, was this part of your aspiration 127 00:06:14,078 --> 00:06:16,438 Speaker 1: to eventually become a minor league manager? That was this 128 00:06:16,598 --> 00:06:19,678 Speaker 1: just kind of like literally out of left field? Or 129 00:06:19,718 --> 00:06:21,998 Speaker 1: is this something that you really had in your mind's 130 00:06:22,038 --> 00:06:24,638 Speaker 1: eye that you wanted to do eventually and that maybe 131 00:06:24,638 --> 00:06:27,478 Speaker 1: it happened sooner than your thought or just what were 132 00:06:27,518 --> 00:06:29,678 Speaker 1: your what were your thoughts going into the not just 133 00:06:29,718 --> 00:06:31,998 Speaker 1: into this season, into your career as as a as 134 00:06:31,998 --> 00:06:37,158 Speaker 1: a baseball coach, professional baseball coach, slash manager. Now, yeah, no, um, 135 00:06:37,198 --> 00:06:39,158 Speaker 1: you know, growing up in college or in high school, 136 00:06:39,158 --> 00:06:42,278 Speaker 1: they always have you do your five year plan, and um, 137 00:06:42,318 --> 00:06:45,558 Speaker 1: ever since I just if I look back at my 138 00:06:45,638 --> 00:06:48,318 Speaker 1: five year plan, there's no shot I would be where 139 00:06:48,318 --> 00:06:52,278 Speaker 1: I'm at today. Um So for me, I just as 140 00:06:52,478 --> 00:06:54,918 Speaker 1: as simple as it is, I just like to be happy, 141 00:06:55,238 --> 00:06:57,118 Speaker 1: and um, you know, as long as I know that 142 00:06:57,158 --> 00:06:59,398 Speaker 1: I'm keeping my head down and I'm working hard, then 143 00:06:59,398 --> 00:07:01,118 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go ahead and be where I need to be. 144 00:07:01,518 --> 00:07:03,758 Speaker 1: But it was definitely out of left field. And you know, 145 00:07:03,918 --> 00:07:06,398 Speaker 1: growing up there weren't really you know, there weren't female 146 00:07:06,398 --> 00:07:09,358 Speaker 1: coaches on the field for professional baseball or even managers 147 00:07:09,438 --> 00:07:11,918 Speaker 1: and so. And you know, a dream job, it's it's 148 00:07:11,918 --> 00:07:14,478 Speaker 1: something that you can achieve, and that that's something growing 149 00:07:14,558 --> 00:07:16,838 Speaker 1: up I never thought that I could. Um So I 150 00:07:16,878 --> 00:07:19,358 Speaker 1: never really thought about it, to be honest with you. 151 00:07:19,438 --> 00:07:21,678 Speaker 1: So I just I wanted to work hard, and you know, 152 00:07:21,718 --> 00:07:23,478 Speaker 1: I wanted to show who I was and what I 153 00:07:23,478 --> 00:07:25,998 Speaker 1: could bring to the table. And this is what was 154 00:07:26,038 --> 00:07:28,518 Speaker 1: on the table when Josh gave me that call. Coo, 155 00:07:29,158 --> 00:07:31,158 Speaker 1: I actually wrote down to your five what is your 156 00:07:31,198 --> 00:07:33,958 Speaker 1: five to tenure plan? And you actually just dropped that 157 00:07:34,038 --> 00:07:36,958 Speaker 1: on me right there. I mean, just as just again 158 00:07:37,158 --> 00:07:40,438 Speaker 1: drawing parallels. I mean, it's weird you're saying things that 159 00:07:40,478 --> 00:07:43,158 Speaker 1: I'm thinking I've written down already. And we were both 160 00:07:43,238 --> 00:07:46,078 Speaker 1: Polish and you like pet ages too. It's just uh, 161 00:07:46,198 --> 00:07:48,278 Speaker 1: as as I always went through this thing, I mean 162 00:07:48,318 --> 00:07:51,558 Speaker 1: for me because I never played in the big leagues. Um. 163 00:07:51,598 --> 00:07:53,318 Speaker 1: I was a minor league player and a scout and 164 00:07:53,358 --> 00:07:56,358 Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff, a coordinator everything, but I 165 00:07:56,358 --> 00:07:58,318 Speaker 1: always wanted to be in the major leagues. By the 166 00:07:58,318 --> 00:08:00,838 Speaker 1: time I was forty, that was kind of like my 167 00:08:00,838 --> 00:08:02,998 Speaker 1: my my goal. And like Tommy said, I started it 168 00:08:03,198 --> 00:08:06,038 Speaker 1: pretty much a image that you did. Um, now that 169 00:08:06,078 --> 00:08:07,918 Speaker 1: you're I know it's kind of quick and maybe you 170 00:08:07,918 --> 00:08:10,518 Speaker 1: haven't had a chance to really reflect. But now that 171 00:08:10,558 --> 00:08:12,958 Speaker 1: you're there, I mean, is a time too in a 172 00:08:13,038 --> 00:08:16,758 Speaker 1: sense readjust your your goal setting as you move it forward. 173 00:08:17,158 --> 00:08:19,318 Speaker 1: And yeah, I'm not trying to jump the gun, but um, 174 00:08:19,478 --> 00:08:22,998 Speaker 1: as you're seeing right now, to have an absolute goal 175 00:08:23,038 --> 00:08:25,878 Speaker 1: in direction and it just appears to be that's who 176 00:08:25,878 --> 00:08:29,678 Speaker 1: you are moving down the road. Is Uh, would you 177 00:08:29,718 --> 00:08:31,958 Speaker 1: consider when you're moving into like a five or tenure 178 00:08:31,998 --> 00:08:35,118 Speaker 1: mental plan right now? Is that's something you've thought about already? Um, 179 00:08:35,158 --> 00:08:38,238 Speaker 1: that's not something that I've thought about, um just yet. 180 00:08:38,358 --> 00:08:41,558 Speaker 1: But I think that I don't know. For me, I 181 00:08:41,638 --> 00:08:44,718 Speaker 1: don't really like to and I don't view this as 182 00:08:44,758 --> 00:08:47,078 Speaker 1: being lazy, but I don't really like to have a timetable. 183 00:08:47,198 --> 00:08:50,078 Speaker 1: I think that in my opinion, from what I've experienced 184 00:08:50,118 --> 00:08:52,998 Speaker 1: with my life. You know, everything happens for reason, all 185 00:08:52,998 --> 00:08:55,358 Speaker 1: of the successes, all of the failures. You know, it's 186 00:08:55,398 --> 00:08:58,278 Speaker 1: it's molding me into who I need to become to 187 00:08:58,918 --> 00:09:02,078 Speaker 1: then achieve that goal, um, whatever that goal is. But 188 00:09:02,238 --> 00:09:04,438 Speaker 1: I think that you know, I was I was watching 189 00:09:04,438 --> 00:09:07,078 Speaker 1: an interview and they were talking about asking people, you know, 190 00:09:07,118 --> 00:09:09,078 Speaker 1: if they think that there's gonna be a female manager 191 00:09:09,478 --> 00:09:11,478 Speaker 1: in the big leagues and within the next ten years, 192 00:09:11,478 --> 00:09:13,318 Speaker 1: and there's a lot of people who were saying yes. 193 00:09:13,398 --> 00:09:16,198 Speaker 1: So the fact that that is being said by people 194 00:09:16,238 --> 00:09:18,638 Speaker 1: who have been in this game, or broadcasting on this game, 195 00:09:18,718 --> 00:09:21,358 Speaker 1: or scouting this game for a long time, I think 196 00:09:21,398 --> 00:09:24,478 Speaker 1: that which is great to hear that that can be 197 00:09:24,878 --> 00:09:27,758 Speaker 1: on a female's five to ten year plan. And that's 198 00:09:27,758 --> 00:09:30,518 Speaker 1: something that you couldn't have said even to three years ago. 199 00:09:30,598 --> 00:09:32,998 Speaker 1: But the fact that you're even asking me that question 200 00:09:32,998 --> 00:09:35,438 Speaker 1: now shows the progress that if you do deserve to 201 00:09:35,478 --> 00:09:38,038 Speaker 1: be here, that you can't be here. I was kind 202 00:09:38,038 --> 00:09:42,558 Speaker 1: of insinuating all that, but again, well done. That's right. See, 203 00:09:42,558 --> 00:09:44,758 Speaker 1: we're just we're on the same level right now. It's 204 00:09:44,838 --> 00:09:48,918 Speaker 1: kind of weird getting freaked out here a little bit ahead. Yeah, 205 00:09:48,958 --> 00:09:51,678 Speaker 1: I definitely would sign on to that possibility. There's no 206 00:09:51,758 --> 00:09:55,118 Speaker 1: question about it. There's I say, why not, Um, if 207 00:09:55,118 --> 00:09:57,918 Speaker 1: you're skilled enough that there's nothing to stop you. As 208 00:09:57,998 --> 00:10:01,478 Speaker 1: you know, Ronnie, if we brought up that idea ten 209 00:10:01,558 --> 00:10:04,358 Speaker 1: years ago and you would most be well, it made 210 00:10:04,358 --> 00:10:07,198 Speaker 1: problem even you might have said no because that possibility 211 00:10:07,238 --> 00:10:09,158 Speaker 1: didn't exist. I wanted to take you back to when 212 00:10:09,158 --> 00:10:12,478 Speaker 1: you were at South Florida. Uh, and you told somebody, 213 00:10:12,598 --> 00:10:15,198 Speaker 1: my main goal is to be a head coach talking 214 00:10:15,238 --> 00:10:17,718 Speaker 1: about softball at the time while you're playing softball at 215 00:10:17,718 --> 00:10:20,958 Speaker 1: South Florida, retire and then work with little kids out 216 00:10:20,958 --> 00:10:26,278 Speaker 1: in Yellowstone or Yosemite or anywhere out west. Plans change that, 217 00:10:26,478 --> 00:10:29,398 Speaker 1: Plans definitely do change. So um, you know, I'd still 218 00:10:29,398 --> 00:10:31,438 Speaker 1: like to do that. That might be, you know, forty 219 00:10:31,518 --> 00:10:33,998 Speaker 1: years down the road that I'll be in a Yosemite 220 00:10:34,038 --> 00:10:36,638 Speaker 1: and whatnot, but uh, yeah, it is, and it's it's 221 00:10:36,678 --> 00:10:40,238 Speaker 1: it's funny when you look back at um, you know 222 00:10:40,318 --> 00:10:42,518 Speaker 1: just how many different paths that you can take. You know, 223 00:10:42,638 --> 00:10:44,678 Speaker 1: just like you're trying to get up to a mountain. 224 00:10:44,758 --> 00:10:46,438 Speaker 1: You know, there's different trails that you can take, but 225 00:10:46,438 --> 00:10:48,158 Speaker 1: they all lead to the same spot and you don't 226 00:10:48,158 --> 00:10:50,198 Speaker 1: necessarily have to be on the same path the whole 227 00:10:50,318 --> 00:10:52,958 Speaker 1: entire time. That's awesome. We're gonna take a quick break 228 00:10:52,958 --> 00:10:55,638 Speaker 1: and when we get back, I'm gonna ask Ronnie about 229 00:10:55,678 --> 00:10:59,758 Speaker 1: the challenges that she faces going forward and where she 230 00:10:59,918 --> 00:11:13,558 Speaker 1: got this baseball bug to begin with. Back in a minute, 231 00:11:14,198 --> 00:11:16,878 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Book of Joe podcast. Our guest 232 00:11:17,238 --> 00:11:20,998 Speaker 1: Ronnie jow Nick, the manager of the High A Hillsboro 233 00:11:21,118 --> 00:11:24,718 Speaker 1: Hops in the Arizona Diamondback System. Uh and Roddy. I 234 00:11:24,758 --> 00:11:28,318 Speaker 1: asked about getting the baseball bug. It sounds like you 235 00:11:28,478 --> 00:11:30,718 Speaker 1: had it at a very young age. I believe your 236 00:11:30,798 --> 00:11:35,438 Speaker 1: dad played college baseball. Tell me about your love of 237 00:11:35,518 --> 00:11:39,518 Speaker 1: this game and where it came from. Yeah. So, um, 238 00:11:39,558 --> 00:11:43,598 Speaker 1: oddly enough, my parents are actually from the suburbs of Chicago. 239 00:11:44,478 --> 00:11:47,478 Speaker 1: I grew up loving Aurelio's pizza. I had a really 240 00:11:47,518 --> 00:11:50,558 Speaker 1: as pizza box on my wall growing up. And um, 241 00:11:50,638 --> 00:11:52,478 Speaker 1: my mom was a White Sox fan, but at the 242 00:11:52,518 --> 00:11:54,398 Speaker 1: time I was a daddy's girl. So I actually grew 243 00:11:54,438 --> 00:11:57,918 Speaker 1: up a Cubs fan. And um, you know, just ever since, 244 00:11:57,998 --> 00:12:00,158 Speaker 1: my dad would take me out as school growing up 245 00:12:00,158 --> 00:12:02,518 Speaker 1: in Central Florida. There's a lot of spring training complexes 246 00:12:02,558 --> 00:12:04,958 Speaker 1: around that area, so he would take me out of 247 00:12:04,998 --> 00:12:07,758 Speaker 1: school and um, you know, we would go to baseball 248 00:12:07,798 --> 00:12:11,238 Speaker 1: games and we just talk baseball, play baseball. Even when 249 00:12:11,518 --> 00:12:14,358 Speaker 1: I had swish over to softball, he would still want 250 00:12:14,358 --> 00:12:16,958 Speaker 1: me to swing a wooden bat. I'd be hitting baseball's 251 00:12:17,558 --> 00:12:20,198 Speaker 1: um and then just kind of throughout my years, just 252 00:12:20,358 --> 00:12:22,598 Speaker 1: you know, growing up a Cubs fan, and um, I 253 00:12:22,598 --> 00:12:25,358 Speaker 1: actually took my dad to a Cubs and Cardinals game 254 00:12:25,518 --> 00:12:27,558 Speaker 1: for his birthday one year. But it's just kind of 255 00:12:27,598 --> 00:12:30,238 Speaker 1: always been in me because you know, just being able 256 00:12:30,278 --> 00:12:33,678 Speaker 1: to watch those high level athletes and just his passion 257 00:12:33,718 --> 00:12:35,678 Speaker 1: growing up of playing within and to be able to 258 00:12:35,678 --> 00:12:37,398 Speaker 1: share that bond with him. It was a It was 259 00:12:37,398 --> 00:12:39,678 Speaker 1: a good time, and the fact that it's led me here, 260 00:12:39,718 --> 00:12:42,198 Speaker 1: I'm really appreciative of it. Yeah. I was gonna say, 261 00:12:42,198 --> 00:12:46,678 Speaker 1: tell us about your entry into professional baseball and where 262 00:12:46,718 --> 00:12:49,118 Speaker 1: that door first open, or even the idea came to 263 00:12:49,158 --> 00:12:52,238 Speaker 1: you that you could and wanted to pursue it. Yeah, 264 00:12:52,358 --> 00:12:56,318 Speaker 1: So it actually happened during covid Um USA Baseball and 265 00:12:56,478 --> 00:12:59,918 Speaker 1: MLB Pay Baseball. They put on different zooms, bringing in 266 00:13:00,598 --> 00:13:05,878 Speaker 1: ex coaches, scouts, umpires, um analysts just to come in 267 00:13:05,918 --> 00:13:09,798 Speaker 1: and talk to the alumni of the women's national baseball team. 268 00:13:09,958 --> 00:13:12,398 Speaker 1: So they brought in we were kind of doing all 269 00:13:12,398 --> 00:13:14,678 Speaker 1: these talks and I was just asking a bunch of 270 00:13:14,718 --> 00:13:18,558 Speaker 1: just different questions and I didn't realize until of the 271 00:13:18,638 --> 00:13:22,438 Speaker 1: fact how great my questions were. When Kim Ing and 272 00:13:22,558 --> 00:13:24,518 Speaker 1: Liz Ben who is now the director of Major League 273 00:13:24,558 --> 00:13:27,718 Speaker 1: Operations with the Mets, and obviously everybody knows Kim ing Um. 274 00:13:27,838 --> 00:13:30,358 Speaker 1: They emailed me asking me if I had any interest 275 00:13:30,438 --> 00:13:34,798 Speaker 1: in going into baseball, And you know, earlier that year, 276 00:13:34,838 --> 00:13:37,918 Speaker 1: I had obviously seen the push notification from ESPN in 277 00:13:37,958 --> 00:13:40,478 Speaker 1: regards of Rachel Folding getting the job, but I didn't 278 00:13:40,478 --> 00:13:42,758 Speaker 1: really think that that was a path for me or 279 00:13:42,958 --> 00:13:46,038 Speaker 1: did I know um how that path was to be created. 280 00:13:46,558 --> 00:13:49,358 Speaker 1: But through that email, UM, I thought, oh yeah, that's 281 00:13:49,358 --> 00:13:52,758 Speaker 1: actually pretty pretty interesting, and so um my resume was 282 00:13:52,798 --> 00:13:55,558 Speaker 1: sent out. I did a bunch of USA and UM 283 00:13:55,678 --> 00:13:58,718 Speaker 1: MLB camps virtually and then also to when that was 284 00:13:58,798 --> 00:14:02,318 Speaker 1: done actually in person, and with my resume being sent out, 285 00:14:02,438 --> 00:14:05,958 Speaker 1: I got some phone calls and some interest from believe 286 00:14:05,998 --> 00:14:11,078 Speaker 1: it was three different organizations. And my conversations with Diamondbacks 287 00:14:11,118 --> 00:14:13,758 Speaker 1: were we're absolutely great. You know, it's just kind of 288 00:14:13,838 --> 00:14:15,798 Speaker 1: just conversations you have when you sit down at the 289 00:14:15,798 --> 00:14:17,598 Speaker 1: bar and you're just kind of getting to know somebody, 290 00:14:17,678 --> 00:14:20,038 Speaker 1: see what they're about. And I was just kind of 291 00:14:20,078 --> 00:14:22,918 Speaker 1: through those conversations that an offer was extended to me 292 00:14:22,998 --> 00:14:26,438 Speaker 1: in regards about player development intern and you know, I 293 00:14:26,478 --> 00:14:29,238 Speaker 1: was I was pretty happy at UMSS, but I wanted 294 00:14:29,278 --> 00:14:30,878 Speaker 1: a little bit of a change, and I also to 295 00:14:31,038 --> 00:14:32,878 Speaker 1: want a little bit of a challenge and to see 296 00:14:33,158 --> 00:14:36,758 Speaker 1: how things were done in professional baseball. So I looked 297 00:14:36,758 --> 00:14:39,518 Speaker 1: at my wife like, hey, you're good with selling our 298 00:14:39,598 --> 00:14:42,758 Speaker 1: place here and going over the West coast, and she said, 299 00:14:43,278 --> 00:14:45,518 Speaker 1: let's go ahead and do it. So that opened my door, 300 00:14:45,638 --> 00:14:49,798 Speaker 1: and off off we started driving to Arizona. So now 301 00:14:49,798 --> 00:14:52,358 Speaker 1: you're in Arizona and spring training. He was right around 302 00:14:52,398 --> 00:14:56,078 Speaker 1: the corner, when is when is your minor league group report? 303 00:14:56,198 --> 00:14:57,598 Speaker 1: Did you have a date on that? I'm sure you 304 00:14:57,598 --> 00:15:00,398 Speaker 1: have a date on that, right, Yeah, so early early camp. 305 00:15:00,438 --> 00:15:03,718 Speaker 1: I believe staff is reporting on the fifteenth, and then 306 00:15:03,998 --> 00:15:08,878 Speaker 1: spring training I believe is on the seventh. I want 307 00:15:08,918 --> 00:15:12,078 Speaker 1: to say, okay, I'm just I'm just asking that question 308 00:15:12,118 --> 00:15:14,998 Speaker 1: because for me, I spent especially that first time through, 309 00:15:15,038 --> 00:15:17,518 Speaker 1: you spend a lot of time thinking how am I 310 00:15:17,518 --> 00:15:19,198 Speaker 1: going to address my team the first time? What is 311 00:15:19,198 --> 00:15:20,838 Speaker 1: the message going to be with my team the first 312 00:15:20,838 --> 00:15:23,718 Speaker 1: time through? And in the situation that you are in 313 00:15:23,838 --> 00:15:26,878 Speaker 1: right now, have you even gotten to that point? We Uh, 314 00:15:27,358 --> 00:15:29,478 Speaker 1: I'm a big planner, I'm a big organizer. All that 315 00:15:29,518 --> 00:15:30,878 Speaker 1: kind of stuff. Have you gotten to that point and 316 00:15:30,878 --> 00:15:35,758 Speaker 1: now what you thought about what you're address may sound 317 00:15:35,798 --> 00:15:37,518 Speaker 1: like look like to your team the first day to 318 00:15:37,518 --> 00:15:40,158 Speaker 1: get to stand in front of them, Yeah, no, I 319 00:15:40,198 --> 00:15:42,438 Speaker 1: think um so, I guess we are a little bit 320 00:15:42,438 --> 00:15:44,638 Speaker 1: similar as I've already started writing down a little bit 321 00:15:44,638 --> 00:15:47,038 Speaker 1: of the values of of what we want in Hillsboro. 322 00:15:47,238 --> 00:15:50,478 Speaker 1: And um, I think again it comes down to being 323 00:15:50,518 --> 00:15:53,478 Speaker 1: able to create that relationship with them, not as a player, 324 00:15:53,518 --> 00:15:55,758 Speaker 1: but as a person, and for them to know that 325 00:15:55,798 --> 00:15:58,918 Speaker 1: we're not here for them, that we're here with them 326 00:15:59,038 --> 00:16:01,958 Speaker 1: or with them day in and day out. And I 327 00:16:01,998 --> 00:16:06,438 Speaker 1: think true being able to you know, you can't truly 328 00:16:06,518 --> 00:16:09,998 Speaker 1: create progress until you tell the truth and you're able 329 00:16:10,038 --> 00:16:12,398 Speaker 1: to look in the mirror and see where you're at, 330 00:16:12,638 --> 00:16:15,078 Speaker 1: where you're you know, where your pros are at, where 331 00:16:15,078 --> 00:16:18,558 Speaker 1: your cons are at, So to be able to pinpoint, hey, 332 00:16:18,598 --> 00:16:20,038 Speaker 1: these are the things that we need to get better 333 00:16:20,078 --> 00:16:22,638 Speaker 1: at and to be vulnerable because again, if if if 334 00:16:22,678 --> 00:16:24,998 Speaker 1: you're not okay with looking at failure and figuring out 335 00:16:25,078 --> 00:16:27,438 Speaker 1: how to get better, then you're just gonna be stagnant. 336 00:16:27,558 --> 00:16:30,118 Speaker 1: So showing hey, we're here, we're all going to be 337 00:16:30,158 --> 00:16:32,558 Speaker 1: vulnerable here we're gonna look to see how we can 338 00:16:32,598 --> 00:16:35,918 Speaker 1: get better, and we're here with you to get you better. 339 00:16:36,318 --> 00:16:38,318 Speaker 1: Just one more question regarding how that's that's it's a 340 00:16:38,358 --> 00:16:41,158 Speaker 1: really good response. As you've gone through the ranks, as 341 00:16:41,158 --> 00:16:43,438 Speaker 1: you came up as a player and as a coach 342 00:16:43,518 --> 00:16:46,638 Speaker 1: in the minor leagues, Um, you have what you consider 343 00:16:46,718 --> 00:16:48,878 Speaker 1: to be some strengths and maybe some marria's that you're 344 00:16:48,918 --> 00:16:51,558 Speaker 1: looking forward to improve. Because I know as a young coach, 345 00:16:51,598 --> 00:16:54,438 Speaker 1: I did I mean coming out of it getting my 346 00:16:54,478 --> 00:16:56,838 Speaker 1: first opportunity, I thought it was decent. As a hitting coach, 347 00:16:56,878 --> 00:16:59,638 Speaker 1: maybe I was decent with catching and those kind of things. 348 00:16:59,678 --> 00:17:02,358 Speaker 1: And of course running a game is something completely different, 349 00:17:02,358 --> 00:17:04,638 Speaker 1: and do you actually get to do it. We're gonna 350 00:17:04,638 --> 00:17:06,638 Speaker 1: be standing in a third based coaching box. You don't 351 00:17:06,678 --> 00:17:08,558 Speaker 1: have to look into the dugout for the sign though. 352 00:17:08,878 --> 00:17:10,358 Speaker 1: You get to make it up on your own, and 353 00:17:10,398 --> 00:17:12,598 Speaker 1: that's kind of a neat gig to have too. But 354 00:17:13,318 --> 00:17:14,918 Speaker 1: do you at this point in your career do you 355 00:17:14,918 --> 00:17:17,358 Speaker 1: feel like you have some really I'm talking about fundamental 356 00:17:17,358 --> 00:17:20,278 Speaker 1: screens as a teacher, things that you really feel good about. 357 00:17:20,678 --> 00:17:23,038 Speaker 1: And conversely to that, are there areas that you're looking 358 00:17:23,038 --> 00:17:25,958 Speaker 1: to improve. As an example, for me, I always wanted 359 00:17:25,958 --> 00:17:28,598 Speaker 1: to become a better middle infielder instructor. So I really 360 00:17:28,678 --> 00:17:31,478 Speaker 1: hung out with the middle, the really solid middle infielders. 361 00:17:31,518 --> 00:17:33,758 Speaker 1: As I was moving through, I felt good as a 362 00:17:33,838 --> 00:17:36,998 Speaker 1: catching instructor. So what do you where do you think 363 00:17:36,998 --> 00:17:38,278 Speaker 1: your striends are and what do you look at that 364 00:17:38,638 --> 00:17:41,878 Speaker 1: I might need to rally around the right kind of 365 00:17:41,878 --> 00:17:44,598 Speaker 1: people to get more information. For me, I'm a very 366 00:17:44,598 --> 00:17:48,878 Speaker 1: good in regards of personality and very good communicator, paying 367 00:17:48,878 --> 00:17:51,118 Speaker 1: attention and being, like you said, around the right people 368 00:17:51,158 --> 00:17:54,158 Speaker 1: to learn from them. I think the biggest thing, like 369 00:17:54,198 --> 00:17:56,958 Speaker 1: you said, you can do so much to prepare, but 370 00:17:57,398 --> 00:18:01,118 Speaker 1: sometimes you have to gain experience by gaining experience and 371 00:18:01,158 --> 00:18:03,238 Speaker 1: actually being in the trenches and being in that third 372 00:18:03,238 --> 00:18:07,678 Speaker 1: base coaching box. So for me, Um, I would probably 373 00:18:07,678 --> 00:18:10,518 Speaker 1: say a little bit more in regards of the of 374 00:18:10,598 --> 00:18:13,478 Speaker 1: the hitting aspect of it. In regards of infield, they 375 00:18:13,478 --> 00:18:15,878 Speaker 1: feel pretty confident in me as a player also to 376 00:18:15,998 --> 00:18:18,518 Speaker 1: what I've already picked up from some of the some 377 00:18:18,558 --> 00:18:21,798 Speaker 1: of my great teammates here with the Diamondbacks. So just 378 00:18:21,958 --> 00:18:25,438 Speaker 1: being able on how to manage the game in regards 379 00:18:25,558 --> 00:18:27,758 Speaker 1: of also to just the pictures. I've been around them 380 00:18:27,798 --> 00:18:30,558 Speaker 1: a little bit in regards of my first year with 381 00:18:30,638 --> 00:18:32,598 Speaker 1: Hillsboro and really having to work with the track man, 382 00:18:33,118 --> 00:18:35,078 Speaker 1: being in the bullpen every single day when the guys 383 00:18:35,078 --> 00:18:37,438 Speaker 1: were throwing pens, and you know, seeing a little bit 384 00:18:37,438 --> 00:18:39,718 Speaker 1: of the inner workings, but just being able just to 385 00:18:39,838 --> 00:18:42,598 Speaker 1: truly manage that game. And you know, I've already been 386 00:18:42,638 --> 00:18:45,718 Speaker 1: talking to talk to Um one of our guys this morning, 387 00:18:45,798 --> 00:18:48,598 Speaker 1: or Nato, and then also to d Gardner. It's just 388 00:18:48,678 --> 00:18:51,878 Speaker 1: more so surrounding myself with the managers and saying, you know, 389 00:18:52,078 --> 00:18:54,958 Speaker 1: what they've learned and um, what they think that I 390 00:18:55,038 --> 00:18:57,638 Speaker 1: also too can get better at. I think it's why 391 00:18:57,678 --> 00:18:59,638 Speaker 1: I staying around with the pitching as much as you can. 392 00:18:59,678 --> 00:19:02,478 Speaker 1: I mean, that's the thing. If I had an advantage 393 00:19:02,518 --> 00:19:06,598 Speaker 1: in the sense having been a catcher, but as a manager, um, 394 00:19:06,638 --> 00:19:08,398 Speaker 1: you know, making the lineup is one thing that's not 395 00:19:08,438 --> 00:19:09,758 Speaker 1: that big of a deal. You're gonna be able to 396 00:19:09,758 --> 00:19:12,878 Speaker 1: make your line up daily, and within the minor league 397 00:19:12,878 --> 00:19:14,798 Speaker 1: situation like that, there's gonna be a lot of stuff 398 00:19:14,838 --> 00:19:17,358 Speaker 1: already done in advance. You know, you've got to play. 399 00:19:17,398 --> 00:19:19,158 Speaker 1: You're not going to pitch it for anybody. This guy's 400 00:19:19,198 --> 00:19:22,078 Speaker 1: gonna throw forward and you canna throw seventy, etcetera. But 401 00:19:22,158 --> 00:19:25,198 Speaker 1: as you continue to advance, to me, the thing that 402 00:19:25,278 --> 00:19:27,518 Speaker 1: really helps a lot, and that could really help set 403 00:19:27,518 --> 00:19:30,238 Speaker 1: you apart, would be how well you handle your pitching 404 00:19:30,318 --> 00:19:33,158 Speaker 1: staff and how much you understand them. And I'm listen, 405 00:19:33,558 --> 00:19:36,318 Speaker 1: I'm fully assured that you have a really good or 406 00:19:36,358 --> 00:19:40,398 Speaker 1: strong feeling about that. But to me, as a young manager, um, 407 00:19:40,438 --> 00:19:43,238 Speaker 1: that's really important as you work your way through the ranks, because, 408 00:19:43,798 --> 00:19:45,798 Speaker 1: after all, by the end of the season, it's like 409 00:19:45,878 --> 00:19:49,238 Speaker 1: having a quarterback in football. You have to have pictures 410 00:19:49,278 --> 00:19:51,798 Speaker 1: in baseball to win and uh, to hang around with 411 00:19:51,878 --> 00:19:55,158 Speaker 1: that that group, whether it's coaches, are actual players or pitchers, 412 00:19:55,158 --> 00:19:57,798 Speaker 1: it's really important to understand them. Yeah. Well, I appreciate 413 00:19:57,798 --> 00:19:59,398 Speaker 1: that neg of advice, so I'm gonna go ahead and 414 00:19:59,398 --> 00:20:02,038 Speaker 1: write that on down. Well, it sounds like you have 415 00:20:02,038 --> 00:20:04,318 Speaker 1: a good staff with you and Hill Borrow. You got 416 00:20:04,558 --> 00:20:06,318 Speaker 1: on the younger side. I think they're all in their 417 00:20:06,398 --> 00:20:09,278 Speaker 1: late thirties, but plenty of playing and coaching experience with 418 00:20:09,318 --> 00:20:13,118 Speaker 1: Gabby Hernandez ty right, Ronald Ramirez. So I'm sure you 419 00:20:13,158 --> 00:20:14,878 Speaker 1: know some of these guys from the year you spent 420 00:20:14,958 --> 00:20:18,038 Speaker 1: in Hillsboro, Ronnie, UM, give me an idea of your 421 00:20:18,118 --> 00:20:21,518 Speaker 1: connection with your staff heading into twenty three. Yeah, so 422 00:20:22,078 --> 00:20:24,158 Speaker 1: I've actually I've only worked a little bit with them, 423 00:20:24,158 --> 00:20:26,118 Speaker 1: so they weren't there in Hillsboro the year that I 424 00:20:26,158 --> 00:20:28,758 Speaker 1: was there. Um, but being able to work with them 425 00:20:28,878 --> 00:20:31,358 Speaker 1: right now during instructs, I'm actually going and getting dinner 426 00:20:31,398 --> 00:20:33,998 Speaker 1: with their hitting coach, Ty Wright tonight to a Reganos, 427 00:20:34,078 --> 00:20:36,838 Speaker 1: which is a close second to a reallyo. So that's 428 00:20:36,878 --> 00:20:42,598 Speaker 1: good stuff for Reaguenoza's outstandingstanding. I cannot wait, my I'm 429 00:20:42,598 --> 00:20:45,598 Speaker 1: I'm already ready to eat. We're meeting at five o'clock. 430 00:20:45,638 --> 00:20:48,278 Speaker 1: I'm like, I can't wait till seven o'clock. So we're 431 00:20:48,318 --> 00:20:51,158 Speaker 1: meeting at five. But um, but yeah, so kind of 432 00:20:51,278 --> 00:20:54,198 Speaker 1: taking each of them out to dinner individually and you know, 433 00:20:54,278 --> 00:20:56,598 Speaker 1: wanting to see who you know, who they are as people, 434 00:20:56,678 --> 00:20:59,958 Speaker 1: and what their expectations are for um, for each of 435 00:20:59,998 --> 00:21:02,398 Speaker 1: their groups, and then also to just kind of where 436 00:21:02,398 --> 00:21:05,038 Speaker 1: where they also want to get better. So I think 437 00:21:05,078 --> 00:21:08,718 Speaker 1: it's just creating, um, it's just creating a cohesive unit 438 00:21:08,798 --> 00:21:11,958 Speaker 1: and just understanding how everybody operates and tics. It's so 439 00:21:12,038 --> 00:21:13,998 Speaker 1: cool and Joe I'm sure you relate to that getting 440 00:21:14,038 --> 00:21:16,198 Speaker 1: to know someone in no place better than over a 441 00:21:16,278 --> 00:21:20,158 Speaker 1: good meal, kitchen somewhere man or a nice restaurant. For me, 442 00:21:20,198 --> 00:21:22,158 Speaker 1: it's a it's some good food and a glass of wine. 443 00:21:22,198 --> 00:21:24,158 Speaker 1: I've done the same stuff, Ronnie. I mean you're right. 444 00:21:24,958 --> 00:21:27,038 Speaker 1: I I think your approach is right on the money. 445 00:21:27,238 --> 00:21:29,558 Speaker 1: Um it's going to serve you well. And on top 446 00:21:29,598 --> 00:21:31,718 Speaker 1: of that, you're gonna have a great meal and possibly 447 00:21:31,838 --> 00:21:34,798 Speaker 1: a couple of nice cold beers or a great glass 448 00:21:34,838 --> 00:21:36,358 Speaker 1: of wine. And let me ask you this to this 449 00:21:36,518 --> 00:21:38,238 Speaker 1: as you're talking about all this, because you have to 450 00:21:38,278 --> 00:21:42,918 Speaker 1: have had this mentors or coaches or managers or from 451 00:21:42,958 --> 00:21:45,878 Speaker 1: your past, whether it's people you were directly related to 452 00:21:46,518 --> 00:21:51,638 Speaker 1: as a softball player, whatever, or just observationally professionally as 453 00:21:51,638 --> 00:21:53,798 Speaker 1: a kid growing up that post run your wall whatever, 454 00:21:54,718 --> 00:21:57,838 Speaker 1: Who's who in your mind's eye has been a great 455 00:21:57,878 --> 00:22:01,358 Speaker 1: influence on your for you, whether it's a mentor directly 456 00:22:01,438 --> 00:22:04,998 Speaker 1: somebody that you've known or coaches or manager, um in 457 00:22:04,998 --> 00:22:07,478 Speaker 1: in the in the doesn't just have to be baseball 458 00:22:07,518 --> 00:22:11,318 Speaker 1: in general. Who who really stands out to you? Um? So, 459 00:22:11,438 --> 00:22:14,118 Speaker 1: the first two who come to mind in regards to 460 00:22:14,198 --> 00:22:18,158 Speaker 1: softball would be Kevin Fagan um he we actually won 461 00:22:18,198 --> 00:22:20,758 Speaker 1: a national championship with him the year before I went 462 00:22:20,798 --> 00:22:23,558 Speaker 1: to college, and also to Ken Erickson, who was my 463 00:22:23,598 --> 00:22:26,478 Speaker 1: coach at the University of South Florida. And I think 464 00:22:26,638 --> 00:22:30,718 Speaker 1: the biggest thing, you know, you're always gaining UM as 465 00:22:30,758 --> 00:22:33,918 Speaker 1: a player, always gatting knowledge of you know, the fundamentals 466 00:22:33,958 --> 00:22:35,758 Speaker 1: of it. Hey, you're gonna be You're gonna go ahead 467 00:22:35,758 --> 00:22:37,638 Speaker 1: and look for this. Hey in this situation, it's this, 468 00:22:37,838 --> 00:22:40,358 Speaker 1: but it's it's more so how they went about their 469 00:22:40,358 --> 00:22:43,798 Speaker 1: business and how they carried themselves, of how professional they 470 00:22:43,838 --> 00:22:46,438 Speaker 1: were in regards of the relationships and the questions that 471 00:22:46,478 --> 00:22:49,198 Speaker 1: they asked, so the way that they carried themselves. Those 472 00:22:49,198 --> 00:22:51,318 Speaker 1: are the two big things or that's the big thing 473 00:22:51,358 --> 00:22:53,878 Speaker 1: that I got from them. And then also too in 474 00:22:53,918 --> 00:22:58,798 Speaker 1: regards of now being in baseball, really big mentor for 475 00:22:58,838 --> 00:23:00,438 Speaker 1: me is Shane Lukes, who is now one of our 476 00:23:00,438 --> 00:23:03,118 Speaker 1: pitching coordinators here with the Diamondbacks, who I worked with 477 00:23:03,678 --> 00:23:05,958 Speaker 1: um happily for two and a half years. He's probably 478 00:23:05,958 --> 00:23:07,838 Speaker 1: happy to get rid of me now, but he'll he'll 479 00:23:07,838 --> 00:23:11,558 Speaker 1: definitely be visiting a lot so. But Shane Lukes, he 480 00:23:11,558 --> 00:23:14,638 Speaker 1: he's he's a great mind on and off the field, 481 00:23:14,638 --> 00:23:16,558 Speaker 1: who he has as a person, and you know, you 482 00:23:16,638 --> 00:23:19,158 Speaker 1: go back to the vulnerability of things and being able 483 00:23:19,198 --> 00:23:21,518 Speaker 1: to look in the mirror, and you know, a lot 484 00:23:21,558 --> 00:23:24,318 Speaker 1: of people jokingly call him the Truth, and you know, 485 00:23:24,438 --> 00:23:25,998 Speaker 1: you you've got to be able to tell the truth. 486 00:23:26,038 --> 00:23:27,958 Speaker 1: You can't just beat around the bush because if you're 487 00:23:27,958 --> 00:23:30,318 Speaker 1: just being a beating around the bush, then you're not 488 00:23:30,358 --> 00:23:33,118 Speaker 1: actually advancing who you are as a person. So I 489 00:23:33,118 --> 00:23:34,998 Speaker 1: would say that those three are the first three that 490 00:23:35,038 --> 00:23:37,758 Speaker 1: pop pop into my mind that Listen, if I tell 491 00:23:37,798 --> 00:23:39,358 Speaker 1: you the truth, you might not like me for a 492 00:23:39,358 --> 00:23:40,998 Speaker 1: week or ten days, but if I lie to you're 493 00:23:40,998 --> 00:23:43,478 Speaker 1: gonna hate me forever. That's that's really what it comes 494 00:23:43,478 --> 00:23:46,838 Speaker 1: down to exactly. You have to establish relationships because the 495 00:23:46,878 --> 00:23:49,118 Speaker 1: next thing that occurs is that trust begins to flow. 496 00:23:49,878 --> 00:23:53,918 Speaker 1: And once that occurs, then you could actually exchange ideas, 497 00:23:53,998 --> 00:23:57,198 Speaker 1: because unless you have a relationship and you trust one another, 498 00:23:57,358 --> 00:24:02,078 Speaker 1: the exchange of ideas just becomes a pushback contest. Uh mona, 499 00:24:02,358 --> 00:24:04,998 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna agree with that person. I'm gonna stick 500 00:24:05,038 --> 00:24:06,958 Speaker 1: with what I think. I'm never going to concede. I 501 00:24:06,958 --> 00:24:10,398 Speaker 1: will not negotiate unless you have trust, build up with 502 00:24:10,438 --> 00:24:13,278 Speaker 1: the relationship, and eventually when you get all those things 503 00:24:13,278 --> 00:24:16,918 Speaker 1: and order, now you could have the really strong differences 504 00:24:16,918 --> 00:24:19,238 Speaker 1: of opinion and it could work. And then when you 505 00:24:19,278 --> 00:24:22,078 Speaker 1: get to that point where you could have a strong discussion, 506 00:24:22,198 --> 00:24:27,518 Speaker 1: argue whatever you want to call it, can both diverse opinions, 507 00:24:27,878 --> 00:24:30,158 Speaker 1: and at the end of that discussion come back and 508 00:24:30,318 --> 00:24:32,878 Speaker 1: and walk out on the field. Everybody's on the same 509 00:24:32,918 --> 00:24:35,358 Speaker 1: page on the same thing. That's pretty cool. But those 510 00:24:35,398 --> 00:24:38,638 Speaker 1: things have to be in order. Relationship building, trust, um, 511 00:24:38,838 --> 00:24:41,918 Speaker 1: the exchange of ideas before your constructive criticism can flow 512 00:24:41,958 --> 00:24:44,838 Speaker 1: both ways. And when that occurs, now you've got something. 513 00:24:45,038 --> 00:24:47,438 Speaker 1: Now you've got something. Because I don't want people to 514 00:24:47,478 --> 00:24:49,198 Speaker 1: agree with me all the time. That's the last thing 515 00:24:49,198 --> 00:24:51,678 Speaker 1: I want. It's very boring. I want to be challenged 516 00:24:51,678 --> 00:24:54,518 Speaker 1: constantly as a manager. From what I'm hearing, Ronnie sounds 517 00:24:54,518 --> 00:24:56,438 Speaker 1: like you want to be challenged constantly too, And that's 518 00:24:56,438 --> 00:24:58,438 Speaker 1: the only way we get a chance to grow. And 519 00:24:58,478 --> 00:25:00,518 Speaker 1: that's that's one of the not one of that. That's 520 00:25:00,558 --> 00:25:02,878 Speaker 1: the primary thing I've done in each city that I've 521 00:25:02,878 --> 00:25:07,398 Speaker 1: gone to. It's those those different steps in order to 522 00:25:07,438 --> 00:25:09,118 Speaker 1: get on the same page with the group and then 523 00:25:09,438 --> 00:25:13,118 Speaker 1: in that change built culture, become the race, become the 524 00:25:13,158 --> 00:25:16,758 Speaker 1: cups whatever, all those things have to be in order first. Yeah, no, 525 00:25:16,958 --> 00:25:20,318 Speaker 1: it's uh again, it's just crazy to think about. You know, 526 00:25:20,478 --> 00:25:21,878 Speaker 1: I never really thought that I was going to be 527 00:25:21,918 --> 00:25:24,478 Speaker 1: in a role like this because I never saw it. 528 00:25:24,798 --> 00:25:29,278 Speaker 1: And the fact that now little girls who come down 529 00:25:29,278 --> 00:25:32,238 Speaker 1: to spring training, um or you know, they're watching their 530 00:25:32,278 --> 00:25:35,358 Speaker 1: little brothers play baseball and they see, you know, Olivia 531 00:25:35,398 --> 00:25:38,318 Speaker 1: Paccardo who's playing at Brown, and they're saying, oh, hey, 532 00:25:38,478 --> 00:25:41,158 Speaker 1: my brother's plan. Then you know, can I play baseball too? 533 00:25:41,918 --> 00:25:45,278 Speaker 1: So the fact that now this option is open for 534 00:25:45,318 --> 00:25:47,158 Speaker 1: them and it's you're not going to get you know, 535 00:25:47,198 --> 00:25:49,518 Speaker 1: you might still get some people who are no, you 536 00:25:49,518 --> 00:25:51,758 Speaker 1: shouldn't do that, but there's gonna be a lot more 537 00:25:51,798 --> 00:25:53,998 Speaker 1: people who are who are saying, you know what, you 538 00:25:53,998 --> 00:25:57,078 Speaker 1: can because she's doing it, and she's doing it and 539 00:25:57,118 --> 00:25:59,678 Speaker 1: she's doing it over there. So the more that we're 540 00:25:59,718 --> 00:26:02,398 Speaker 1: able to build on that base, um, it's just gonna 541 00:26:02,438 --> 00:26:04,718 Speaker 1: be getting larger and larger as an It's not it's 542 00:26:05,078 --> 00:26:07,318 Speaker 1: it's gonna be second nature. Now, it's going to be normal. 543 00:26:07,358 --> 00:26:08,918 Speaker 1: It's not going to be the first it's not going 544 00:26:08,998 --> 00:26:11,198 Speaker 1: to be this or that. It's just gonna saying okay, 545 00:26:11,358 --> 00:26:13,318 Speaker 1: let's go ahead and do that. And we're gonna take 546 00:26:13,318 --> 00:26:16,518 Speaker 1: a quick break right here and we get back. Um, 547 00:26:16,638 --> 00:26:19,118 Speaker 1: we're gonna play one of our favorite games. Well, stick around. 548 00:26:29,038 --> 00:26:31,358 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Book of Joe podcast and of 549 00:26:31,398 --> 00:26:34,838 Speaker 1: course this podcast. If you're enjoying this, you will certainly 550 00:26:34,958 --> 00:26:38,158 Speaker 1: enjoy the book, the Namesake Book, the Book of Joe 551 00:26:38,438 --> 00:26:41,278 Speaker 1: and Ronnie. We do this segment with all of our guests. 552 00:26:41,958 --> 00:26:43,718 Speaker 1: We think that when you pick up the Book of 553 00:26:43,798 --> 00:26:47,998 Speaker 1: Joe book, there's something interesting and formative, educational, even on 554 00:26:48,598 --> 00:26:50,638 Speaker 1: every page of the book. And to prove it, we 555 00:26:50,718 --> 00:26:53,758 Speaker 1: ask our guests to pick a number between one and 556 00:26:53,798 --> 00:26:56,238 Speaker 1: three hundred and sixty eight the pages in the book 557 00:26:56,958 --> 00:26:58,558 Speaker 1: and we'll take a little dive into the book to 558 00:26:58,598 --> 00:27:01,438 Speaker 1: see what it brings us. So you're on the spot 559 00:27:01,518 --> 00:27:04,758 Speaker 1: here to pick a number between one and three six eight. Well, 560 00:27:04,758 --> 00:27:06,958 Speaker 1: I actually have this. I have this book, and I 561 00:27:06,998 --> 00:27:08,878 Speaker 1: was actually gonna ask Joe if it's any good, if 562 00:27:08,918 --> 00:27:11,438 Speaker 1: I should keep it or return it, so ill this 563 00:27:11,438 --> 00:27:13,518 Speaker 1: would be perfect then, so I'll see, let's go ahead 564 00:27:13,558 --> 00:27:16,278 Speaker 1: and do uh, let's let's do a number thirty four. 565 00:27:16,318 --> 00:27:20,358 Speaker 1: How about that number thirty four? Is that your number? Yes? 566 00:27:20,398 --> 00:27:23,838 Speaker 1: It actually is. Is there a history behind that? Um? 567 00:27:23,878 --> 00:27:27,918 Speaker 1: Growing up, I really loved Carrie would So I wasn't 568 00:27:27,918 --> 00:27:30,478 Speaker 1: a picture, but I really loved the way he operated, 569 00:27:30,518 --> 00:27:33,198 Speaker 1: the way he held himself. So a number thirty four 570 00:27:33,278 --> 00:27:35,518 Speaker 1: is what it was. He's a good he's a great 571 00:27:35,598 --> 00:27:38,998 Speaker 1: dude too. That's awesome. Well, this is appropriate because we're 572 00:27:38,998 --> 00:27:41,958 Speaker 1: talking about managing in the Miners, and you know, Joel 573 00:27:42,038 --> 00:27:43,918 Speaker 1: has learned from a lot of good ones, and sometimes 574 00:27:43,998 --> 00:27:46,478 Speaker 1: you learn things that you don't want to do as 575 00:27:46,478 --> 00:27:50,158 Speaker 1: a manager from managers, so you pay attention to those things. 576 00:27:50,438 --> 00:27:55,078 Speaker 1: And Joe, this involves Moose stubbing, my man. Remember Moose stubbing? 577 00:27:55,478 --> 00:28:00,078 Speaker 1: Absolutely Okay he was at this point in the Miners 578 00:28:00,118 --> 00:28:02,678 Speaker 1: when Joe was with him, Moose was thirty nine years old. 579 00:28:02,718 --> 00:28:05,558 Speaker 1: He toiled mostly in the minds. His entire major league 580 00:28:05,558 --> 00:28:08,998 Speaker 1: career consisted of five hitless, pinch pinch hit appearances for 581 00:28:09,038 --> 00:28:13,118 Speaker 1: the sixty seven Angels, as stooping like to say, seventeen 582 00:28:13,238 --> 00:28:16,478 Speaker 1: days of coffee, but I didn't get a donut. He 583 00:28:16,598 --> 00:28:19,078 Speaker 1: later joined the Angels as a scout the nineteen seventy 584 00:28:19,158 --> 00:28:21,598 Speaker 1: six gig with the Quad City Angels was his first 585 00:28:21,678 --> 00:28:24,758 Speaker 1: as a manager. He insisted his players be on time. 586 00:28:25,278 --> 00:28:28,278 Speaker 1: Players even a minute late for the team bus were 587 00:28:28,398 --> 00:28:33,478 Speaker 1: left behind, keep a spanking clean clubhouse, and never forget 588 00:28:33,638 --> 00:28:37,278 Speaker 1: that he was the boss. There's one of me and 589 00:28:37,398 --> 00:28:40,918 Speaker 1: twenty five of you, stew being told his players. So 590 00:28:40,998 --> 00:28:44,678 Speaker 1: you better get to know me rather than me get 591 00:28:44,718 --> 00:28:48,158 Speaker 1: to know you. How about that ron, You think times 592 00:28:48,158 --> 00:28:51,078 Speaker 1: have changed a little bit? Oh man, Well, you know 593 00:28:51,158 --> 00:28:54,158 Speaker 1: what I will say in regards of being on time. 594 00:28:54,358 --> 00:28:58,358 Speaker 1: For me personally, I think the best currency you can 595 00:28:58,398 --> 00:29:00,438 Speaker 1: give someone is your time. You know, you can get 596 00:29:00,478 --> 00:29:02,878 Speaker 1: back money, you can get back clothes, you can get food, 597 00:29:03,158 --> 00:29:05,398 Speaker 1: but time and some thing that you literally can never 598 00:29:05,478 --> 00:29:08,038 Speaker 1: give back. So for me, time is very important to 599 00:29:08,038 --> 00:29:10,958 Speaker 1: be on time. So for that okay, now, I might 600 00:29:10,958 --> 00:29:12,918 Speaker 1: be getting a call from Josh Barfield if I leave 601 00:29:12,958 --> 00:29:15,238 Speaker 1: our starter behind, so I I'd like to keep my 602 00:29:15,318 --> 00:29:17,238 Speaker 1: job and see, you know what I can do the season. 603 00:29:17,358 --> 00:29:20,918 Speaker 1: So that probably won't be happening, But no, I think 604 00:29:21,598 --> 00:29:24,238 Speaker 1: in today's time it's there. You know. Back in the 605 00:29:24,278 --> 00:29:27,318 Speaker 1: day when I was growing up playing, if my coach 606 00:29:27,318 --> 00:29:29,038 Speaker 1: told me to put a bucket on my head and 607 00:29:29,118 --> 00:29:32,278 Speaker 1: go run a mile. I would say, I'd be like, 608 00:29:32,278 --> 00:29:33,958 Speaker 1: all right, which bucket put on my head and I 609 00:29:33,998 --> 00:29:36,638 Speaker 1: would just start running. But now you can't do that, 610 00:29:36,798 --> 00:29:39,598 Speaker 1: you know. And I think that that's also kudos to 611 00:29:39,598 --> 00:29:43,398 Speaker 1: two players taking ownership of their own careers into their 612 00:29:43,398 --> 00:29:46,118 Speaker 1: own paths. So I think that that's something that has 613 00:29:46,278 --> 00:29:49,358 Speaker 1: U has definitely changed. Yeah, we we didn't agree with him, 614 00:29:49,358 --> 00:29:52,198 Speaker 1: by the way, me and my roommate thought, John Lyons 615 00:29:52,238 --> 00:29:55,398 Speaker 1: we we we just could not believe that Mu muse 616 00:29:55,478 --> 00:29:58,878 Speaker 1: is no longer with us. But my buddy Dock, he 617 00:29:58,958 --> 00:30:01,878 Speaker 1: was a graduate of Gunzaga, first baseman, great guy. He's 618 00:30:01,918 --> 00:30:04,678 Speaker 1: passed away, but we were in credit us when said 619 00:30:04,718 --> 00:30:08,438 Speaker 1: that to that particular day. Unbelievable kind of Joe. I know, 620 00:30:08,598 --> 00:30:10,478 Speaker 1: we talked about this in the book. You know, as 621 00:30:10,518 --> 00:30:12,278 Speaker 1: someone that you grew up in that kind of Vince 622 00:30:12,398 --> 00:30:16,078 Speaker 1: Lombardi era right where that was the paradigm of how 623 00:30:16,158 --> 00:30:19,478 Speaker 1: you were a leader who was very tough a lot 624 00:30:19,518 --> 00:30:23,878 Speaker 1: of times relied on negative motivation. UM and Ronnie, I'm 625 00:30:23,918 --> 00:30:27,158 Speaker 1: curious your take on this to see you know, dealing 626 00:30:27,238 --> 00:30:30,838 Speaker 1: with players today. Um and I've talked to Dusty Baker 627 00:30:30,838 --> 00:30:32,918 Speaker 1: about this as well, and he's certainly adapted to this 628 00:30:32,998 --> 00:30:35,998 Speaker 1: different kind of way of teaching and leading that he said, 629 00:30:35,998 --> 00:30:38,918 Speaker 1: players are not going to respond to negative motivation. So 630 00:30:39,038 --> 00:30:41,318 Speaker 1: what are the kind of things you've learned about keeping 631 00:30:41,318 --> 00:30:44,678 Speaker 1: your players motivated and what works maybe what doesn't work? Yeah, 632 00:30:44,718 --> 00:30:49,198 Speaker 1: you I you cannot coach out of fear. I we 633 00:30:49,318 --> 00:30:51,758 Speaker 1: had a immense performance session a couple of days ago 634 00:30:51,958 --> 00:30:54,918 Speaker 1: and talking about the dark Passenger and kind of that, 635 00:30:54,958 --> 00:30:57,078 Speaker 1: you know, that negative devil on your shoulder telling you 636 00:30:57,078 --> 00:31:00,158 Speaker 1: all those bad things. And there's anonymous poll of you know, 637 00:31:00,198 --> 00:31:02,918 Speaker 1: what are some things that your dark passenger says to you? 638 00:31:02,998 --> 00:31:05,758 Speaker 1: And um people were saying, you know, I can't swing 639 00:31:05,798 --> 00:31:08,198 Speaker 1: the bat, I don't know how to play baseball. I 640 00:31:08,238 --> 00:31:12,118 Speaker 1: shouldn't be here. And you know, again, this is a 641 00:31:12,198 --> 00:31:15,438 Speaker 1: huge game of failure. So they're they're already the worst 642 00:31:15,518 --> 00:31:17,718 Speaker 1: enemy between their ears. We don't they don't need someone 643 00:31:17,798 --> 00:31:21,638 Speaker 1: externally going after them and you know, coaching them out 644 00:31:21,638 --> 00:31:24,038 Speaker 1: of fear. And I think it's more so of allowing 645 00:31:24,078 --> 00:31:28,958 Speaker 1: that vulnerability again too to succeed and also to to fail, 646 00:31:29,038 --> 00:31:31,118 Speaker 1: because when you fail, that's where that's where you see 647 00:31:31,118 --> 00:31:33,198 Speaker 1: where you're at and where you can get where you 648 00:31:33,238 --> 00:31:35,678 Speaker 1: can get better at I could just say, amen, I 649 00:31:35,758 --> 00:31:38,558 Speaker 1: agree with all of that right on. Great, well said Ronny, 650 00:31:38,678 --> 00:31:41,998 Speaker 1: this has really been a pleasure. I it's uh, it's 651 00:31:41,998 --> 00:31:45,158 Speaker 1: easy to see why Josh Barfield, the whole Diamondbacks organization 652 00:31:45,238 --> 00:31:48,438 Speaker 1: has such confidence in you, and hopefully our listeners feel 653 00:31:48,518 --> 00:31:51,918 Speaker 1: that as well. Um. I can't wait until you bring 654 00:31:51,958 --> 00:31:54,878 Speaker 1: home the Northwest League championship the way that Joe Madden 655 00:31:54,918 --> 00:31:58,918 Speaker 1: did back in two Yeah, if you if they hopefully 656 00:31:59,038 --> 00:32:01,638 Speaker 1: get that done, we'll figure something out. But just get 657 00:32:01,678 --> 00:32:03,198 Speaker 1: that done this year. Will figure out something at the 658 00:32:03,278 --> 00:32:06,078 Speaker 1: end of the season. Absolutely, Hey if I how about that? 659 00:32:06,158 --> 00:32:08,358 Speaker 1: Hey if if I, if I win, you gotta you 660 00:32:08,358 --> 00:32:10,438 Speaker 1: gotta cook me up some of your split p parogies. 661 00:32:10,478 --> 00:32:12,918 Speaker 1: How about that deal? I was just gonna say, you 662 00:32:12,998 --> 00:32:15,598 Speaker 1: are Do you live in Arizona in the wintertime too? No, 663 00:32:15,718 --> 00:32:18,198 Speaker 1: I actually lived down in Florida a little bit Park 664 00:32:18,358 --> 00:32:21,678 Speaker 1: Carrow Beach. We can figure something out. Okay, nice polish dinner, 665 00:32:21,838 --> 00:32:25,798 Speaker 1: that's the deal, all right? Sounds perfect, sounds great, awesome, awesome, best, delicious, 666 00:32:25,878 --> 00:32:28,998 Speaker 1: Thank you, appreciated, Thanks guys, well Joe Madden. I thought 667 00:32:29,638 --> 00:32:32,838 Speaker 1: Ronnie down Ache was super impressive. I'm so glad she's 668 00:32:32,878 --> 00:32:36,478 Speaker 1: got this opportunity now since it's all about performance, right, 669 00:32:36,838 --> 00:32:40,998 Speaker 1: it's she's she's broken through a ceiling here and and 670 00:32:41,078 --> 00:32:46,878 Speaker 1: I have no doubt she's gonna do a terrific job. Yeah. Confident, gregarious, um, 671 00:32:46,878 --> 00:32:49,358 Speaker 1: really confident, self confident what she has to say. And 672 00:32:49,398 --> 00:32:52,318 Speaker 1: I like that a lot. Um Uh, even with the 673 00:32:52,398 --> 00:32:56,678 Speaker 1: lack of experience in the game itself, professional baseball wise, 674 00:32:56,718 --> 00:32:58,838 Speaker 1: I think she's gonna be just fine because she is. 675 00:32:58,838 --> 00:33:02,478 Speaker 1: She's straightforward, she's really well thought out. I can imagine 676 00:33:02,518 --> 00:33:07,358 Speaker 1: she's highly organized, and she's fully full, she's polished, So 677 00:33:07,398 --> 00:33:09,958 Speaker 1: I think that that matters to me also, So I 678 00:33:09,998 --> 00:33:12,718 Speaker 1: really enjoyed that conversation a lot. I thought, she's, uh, 679 00:33:13,198 --> 00:33:14,878 Speaker 1: she's on top of things, man, and she's gonna have 680 00:33:14,918 --> 00:33:17,798 Speaker 1: a nice career. Yeah, And I honestly think, Joe, I 681 00:33:17,838 --> 00:33:20,238 Speaker 1: don't know how you feel about this. It probably will 682 00:33:20,278 --> 00:33:23,158 Speaker 1: be inside of ten years we you know, do see 683 00:33:23,358 --> 00:33:26,518 Speaker 1: a major league managers a woman. I wouldn't even rule 684 00:33:26,558 --> 00:33:30,278 Speaker 1: out the possibility of a picture or a position player 685 00:33:30,758 --> 00:33:32,798 Speaker 1: in the major leagues. I don't know what the time 686 00:33:32,798 --> 00:33:35,798 Speaker 1: frame is, but again, why not, and what we're doing 687 00:33:35,798 --> 00:33:40,518 Speaker 1: now is we are encouraging more young women to follow 688 00:33:40,558 --> 00:33:44,358 Speaker 1: that dream and it becomes now something that's real. Uh, 689 00:33:44,638 --> 00:33:47,078 Speaker 1: even more than the dream, it becomes something that's possible. 690 00:33:47,478 --> 00:33:48,838 Speaker 1: I don't want to put words in her mouth. That's 691 00:33:48,838 --> 00:33:50,518 Speaker 1: why I actually like the five of the tenure plan, 692 00:33:50,678 --> 00:33:53,278 Speaker 1: you know, um because I think I could get your 693 00:33:53,278 --> 00:33:56,398 Speaker 1: foot in the door like she has, and as she 694 00:33:56,478 --> 00:33:58,718 Speaker 1: goes through this season, maybe into the next couple of seasons, 695 00:33:58,758 --> 00:34:03,078 Speaker 1: I think it will become more fully um U implanted 696 00:34:03,118 --> 00:34:05,398 Speaker 1: within her. I really want to do this, or maybe 697 00:34:05,398 --> 00:34:07,518 Speaker 1: I just like to be stay as a coach or 698 00:34:07,558 --> 00:34:09,638 Speaker 1: a minor league manager, maybe as a major league coach. 699 00:34:09,678 --> 00:34:11,798 Speaker 1: But she's the kind of person. She's the one. I 700 00:34:11,798 --> 00:34:15,078 Speaker 1: mean her or the young lady Rachel. Uh, they're definitely 701 00:34:15,118 --> 00:34:17,758 Speaker 1: at the forefront of this. And it should take at 702 00:34:17,838 --> 00:34:19,438 Speaker 1: least ten years. I would think that's about the right 703 00:34:19,518 --> 00:34:23,278 Speaker 1: number to understand and and and really hone your craft 704 00:34:23,318 --> 00:34:25,198 Speaker 1: to be able to become a major league manager with 705 00:34:25,198 --> 00:34:28,118 Speaker 1: the experience necessary everything about it. So I think a 706 00:34:28,238 --> 00:34:31,518 Speaker 1: tenures is about right, and uh, I think less than 707 00:34:31,558 --> 00:34:34,438 Speaker 1: that would be kind of like an expedited form, which 708 00:34:34,478 --> 00:34:36,998 Speaker 1: I don't know what's going to happen. But she definitely 709 00:34:36,998 --> 00:34:39,998 Speaker 1: has the chops mentally, man, she's got the chops. Mentally. 710 00:34:40,438 --> 00:34:42,958 Speaker 1: She would do she'd be wonderful in front of the 711 00:34:43,238 --> 00:34:45,478 Speaker 1: press on a daily basis. There's no doubt in my mind. 712 00:34:45,878 --> 00:34:48,118 Speaker 1: It's just about understanding the game completely. And now she 713 00:34:48,158 --> 00:34:51,798 Speaker 1: relates to her players, which is really going to set 714 00:34:51,838 --> 00:34:55,518 Speaker 1: her path. I think absolutely, very very impressive. Joey, you 715 00:34:55,598 --> 00:34:57,438 Speaker 1: got something to take us out of this edition to 716 00:34:57,478 --> 00:34:59,478 Speaker 1: the Book of Joe Yeah. I'm going back to my 717 00:34:59,558 --> 00:35:02,598 Speaker 1: boy Ernie Hemingway. I read this the other day and 718 00:35:02,638 --> 00:35:06,198 Speaker 1: it's just something that I think that people of my age. 719 00:35:06,198 --> 00:35:10,238 Speaker 1: I'll be what, uh sixty nine in a New forty 720 00:35:10,318 --> 00:35:15,318 Speaker 1: nine in February. But Ernie said, uh no, that is 721 00:35:15,358 --> 00:35:19,598 Speaker 1: a great fallacy the wisdom of old men. They do 722 00:35:19,678 --> 00:35:23,838 Speaker 1: not grow wise, They just grow careful or cautious. Um, 723 00:35:23,878 --> 00:35:26,518 Speaker 1: and that was that was awesome because the point is, man, 724 00:35:26,678 --> 00:35:29,318 Speaker 1: at whatever age you are, do not grow careful, do 725 00:35:29,398 --> 00:35:33,198 Speaker 1: not grow cautious. Just keep pushing the envelope, keep growing. Hey, 726 00:35:33,238 --> 00:35:35,918 Speaker 1: I never knew you and Ernie were tight. That's pretty cool. Well, 727 00:35:35,958 --> 00:35:37,798 Speaker 1: what I want to do is at some point my 728 00:35:37,878 --> 00:35:40,478 Speaker 1: band is almost done. The six seventies six is almost done. 729 00:35:40,478 --> 00:35:42,798 Speaker 1: Hopefully it is in the back of my mind just 730 00:35:42,838 --> 00:35:44,878 Speaker 1: to get in and take ten all the way down 731 00:35:44,918 --> 00:35:47,598 Speaker 1: the Southern Round and end up down in Key West 732 00:35:47,638 --> 00:35:49,198 Speaker 1: and just go hang out of his pad a little 733 00:35:49,198 --> 00:35:51,118 Speaker 1: bit and soak it up. I mean, I have you 734 00:35:51,118 --> 00:35:52,758 Speaker 1: ever been to his house in Key West with all 735 00:35:52,798 --> 00:35:55,198 Speaker 1: the cats hanging out and stuff. It's uh, I have 736 00:35:55,518 --> 00:35:57,758 Speaker 1: more than they like that. They have different kind of 737 00:35:57,798 --> 00:36:02,118 Speaker 1: pause or something. Yeah, one has something exactly, something crazy, 738 00:36:02,198 --> 00:36:05,358 Speaker 1: But they just sit there and they're they're not You're 739 00:36:05,398 --> 00:36:07,838 Speaker 1: you're not permitted to move them or get upset with them. 740 00:36:07,838 --> 00:36:11,398 Speaker 1: They rule the roost. Actually, so I m now that 741 00:36:11,438 --> 00:36:13,358 Speaker 1: I become more of a Hemmingway fan. I think at 742 00:36:13,398 --> 00:36:14,958 Speaker 1: some point I need to take the van down there, 743 00:36:15,038 --> 00:36:17,718 Speaker 1: just hang out and and see where that takes me. 744 00:36:17,758 --> 00:36:21,718 Speaker 1: Those thoughts take me. But everything. I follow him on Twitter. 745 00:36:21,758 --> 00:36:23,758 Speaker 1: There's a Twitter follow for Heimingway, and there's a lot 746 00:36:23,758 --> 00:36:25,998 Speaker 1: of really good nuggets. And I just picked this one 747 00:36:26,038 --> 00:36:29,518 Speaker 1: up the other day. Awesome, We'll see you next time, Joe. Alright, brother, 748 00:36:29,558 --> 00:36:37,718 Speaker 1: have a great night. The Book of Joe podcast is 749 00:36:37,758 --> 00:36:40,678 Speaker 1: a production of I Heart Radio. For more podcasts for 750 00:36:40,758 --> 00:36:44,598 Speaker 1: my Heart Radio visit the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, 751 00:36:44,718 --> 00:36:46,518 Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts.