Speaker 1: It's with Jenny Garth and Tori Spelling. Hello everybody, welcome
Speaker 1: to another episode of nine O two one O m G.
Speaker 1: It's me Jenny Garth. I'm here with my bestie Tory
Speaker 1: Spelling and hello everyon. Hello by ladies. What a show
Speaker 1: we have today, you guys, I'm not I'm really really excited,
Speaker 1: uh A to talk about this episode from this week
Speaker 1: and be we have a super special guest. And before
Speaker 1: before we get to that, let's talk about the exciting
Speaker 1: thing that's going to come up soon. We have our
Speaker 1: next live event. You guys. You know we've been talking.
Speaker 1: We're almost done with season one and it's crazy and
Speaker 1: we feel like we should celebrate. We should have a
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Speaker 1: the season of a show. So we're gonna just bring
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Speaker 1: you guys, I got the Donna Kelly t shirt. Did
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Speaker 1: those to the to our rat party we have to
Speaker 1: Maybe could be dazzle them or perfect. Yeah, they're so good.
Speaker 1: The cuts good. Uh, it's super soft. I'm obsessed with it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well that's really good. Fight. I'm gonna add ansis. I
Speaker 1: told you guys before today we have a very very
Speaker 1: special guest joining us. Uh, the one and only Darren
Speaker 1: Starr is going to be coming on in a little
Speaker 1: bit to talk to us about the origination of Beverly
Speaker 1: Hills nine O two and oh. He's the creator of
Speaker 1: our show. And I don't know, I kind of feel
Speaker 1: like God is coming su Yeah, I'm nervous. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: our creator. He's he's our he's the big boss and ancho.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Without him, this show would not exist.
Speaker 1: And of course, you know he went on to do
Speaker 1: melrose Place, created that and Sex in the City and
Speaker 1: Younger and now Emily and Paris. He is a god
Speaker 1: amongst god's and we're super psychees coming on to be
Speaker 1: with us today. We haven't seen him in so long?
Speaker 1: How long has it been to be so fun? Oh? Years?
Speaker 1: I really I saw him on a pot Did you
Speaker 1: see him on your podcast? I saw him on a
Speaker 1: podcast account. Yeah, I saw him on the computer. That
Speaker 1: does not it doesn't count, right, that's not jen. Do
Speaker 1: we look okay, I'm nervous. Wait were you guys nervous
Speaker 1: around him? Like? What are easy to you? Like? Do
Speaker 1: you feel like you owe him your career? Like what
Speaker 1: are those feelings that you have? I don't know. I
Speaker 1: feel like, yeah, there's some of that. Like he was
Speaker 1: such a he was the reason why this show came
Speaker 1: to life. You know, he created these characters and he
Speaker 1: created everything about it. So you know, him and Aaron
Speaker 1: together worked together to make this what it is. And
Speaker 1: it's I don't know, it's like it's like you're it's
Speaker 1: like your boss. I can't even explain it any other way.
Speaker 1: I was always really I know you had like a
Speaker 1: really good relationship with him, and you went on to
Speaker 1: do another show with him afterwards, Like I was always
Speaker 1: really shy around him. So I'm nervous to talk to
Speaker 1: him today because I always felt and I'm still feeling it, like,
Speaker 1: you know, he created the show, but he worked with
Speaker 1: my dad, and I always felt like, did he feel
Speaker 1: like he had to cast me? He had to write
Speaker 1: for me? I mean, he gave me some of my
Speaker 1: best comedy. I mean he started off my comedy in
Speaker 1: Spring Dance, which he also not only did he create
Speaker 1: the show, but he wrote this episode. He directed it,
Speaker 1: and he gave don a kind of her first like
Speaker 1: big dance stuff with the spring, you know dress. So
Speaker 1: I'm very grateful for him doing that, But I don't know,
Speaker 1: I just always felt like he was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: some people I cast, didn't you suggest some people to
Speaker 1: cast for None on two? And no I did. I
Speaker 1: feel like if you didn't want to cast you, he
Speaker 1: would have, you know what I mean, Like you had
Speaker 1: a big part of all of this. I'm sure it
Speaker 1: is you know he had to, Like, as we've talked
Speaker 1: about and we've seen, I had like a couple of
Speaker 1: lines here and there in the first few episodes, and
Speaker 1: it's just now kind of getting a little bit bigger,
Speaker 1: um my role. But you know how you feel that way,
Speaker 1: it's it's your boss. I wanted to please him. I
Speaker 1: wanted him to say, like, Okay, I know why I
Speaker 1: had to cast her, but I wanted to him to
Speaker 1: be proud of me and approve of me. And you know,
Speaker 1: it's like a parent type of thing. I think he
Speaker 1: is proud of you. Yeah, I think he's proud of
Speaker 1: all of us. And I love it that you can
Speaker 1: tell he's still really proud of Beverly Hills nine o
Speaker 1: two and oh you know, he's gone on to do
Speaker 1: such huge things like Sex in the City, and he's
Speaker 1: still like this show just like for us, it has
Speaker 1: this amazing little part of our hearts that can never
Speaker 1: be taken away. And I feel that from him too,
Speaker 1: like that connection. So we're really looking forward to talk
Speaker 1: to him. So should we Should we talk about episode
Speaker 1: twenty one Spring Dance? He is Okay? Episode twenty one
Speaker 1: Spring Dance air date was May second. Synopsis is it's
Speaker 1: the big Spring Dance, and the chance of romance is
Speaker 1: good for Dylan and Brenda, possible for Kelly and Brandon
Speaker 1: and nil nil and nil zip zero for Steve, who
Speaker 1: carries a torch that's about as cumbersome as his dates dress.
Speaker 1: That's me. This episode was actually written by Darren Starr
Speaker 1: and directed by Darren Starr. This was his first directing
Speaker 1: job ever. Wow, big undertaking for your first job directing,
Speaker 1: Like it was like a huge like so many casts,
Speaker 1: so many background players. We had a band who was
Speaker 1: this huge, huge race, The Rave Ups was the band
Speaker 1: at the dance. They were rad they were I was
Speaker 1: kind of had a crush on that lead singer Guy
Speaker 1: High knew Year going to say that musicians, I can't
Speaker 1: help it. I don't know. She used to love musicians.
Speaker 1: Now she loves golfers. You know. I didn't realize. I
Speaker 1: didn't realize that he directed this until we got our notes,
Speaker 1: And now it really makes sense because I was just
Speaker 1: this is my favorite episode so far, Like you could
Speaker 1: tell the difference that's saying, didn't you feel like it
Speaker 1: felt like a a big movie, like a nineties rom com,
Speaker 1: like maybe like a six Yeah, exactly use film. That's
Speaker 1: what it felt like to me too. It really did.
Speaker 1: Especially you're dancing. You're dancing at the dance. It was
Speaker 1: so good. I thought it was really good too. I
Speaker 1: was crushing on her like that was not good dancing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're swinging your Oh my god, all the fields of
Speaker 1: like that's the popular girl. I want to be like
Speaker 1: like three years that would be weird, but you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. But I pulled it off. Thank goodness
Speaker 1: you did. Yeah, this episode so much happened. It was
Speaker 1: hugely memorable episode for all the fans, I think, and
Speaker 1: when it was one of the episodes, it was kind
Speaker 1: of like a defining uh moment, defining episode for the
Speaker 1: show moving forward, and I felt like it just defined
Speaker 1: what the group was all about, like what you know,
Speaker 1: everybody had their things, but we all came together and
Speaker 1: I don't know, it just it worked for me, just
Speaker 1: like a little puzzle. Yeah, they were definitely an ensemble
Speaker 1: by the end. By this episode, I was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: this is the gang that we're gonna now go forward
Speaker 1: with for the next few years, So why don't we
Speaker 1: break it down from the beginning because I loved I'd
Speaker 1: love to do that much. I got to start at
Speaker 1: the top and I gotta go all the way through
Speaker 1: over all my o MG moments. First of all, first,
Speaker 1: first first thing that comes to mind is the uh,
Speaker 1: the glasses that the guys were wearing in the hallway
Speaker 1: when they saw the hot girls. First of all, seems
Speaker 1: so horny. He's got like it does spring bring that
Speaker 1: on a teen boy? It makes them especially Randy. Uh hut,
Speaker 1: Nature's doing this thing. It's turning me into a total
Speaker 1: dog you. I don't know. I just don't wanna think
Speaker 1: about that. But it was kind of the theme of
Speaker 1: the episode because obviously we know happens with Dylan and Brenda.
Speaker 1: Love is in the air spring um. But speaking of
Speaker 1: the glasses, so they were looking at Darla Diller, who
Speaker 1: was played by Sharon Case who had on two episodes ago.
Speaker 1: She was so hot in us, like I know, she
Speaker 1: was like that unattainable beautiful girl. It's still hot, yeah,
Speaker 1: of course, yeah she is. But that I was happy
Speaker 1: to see that because I didn't know when I didn't
Speaker 1: know when she came back for the second episode, is
Speaker 1: Darla Dillar what that was going to be like? But
Speaker 1: she she did Darla right yes, Um, I don't do vets. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I don't do vets. Loved it. That's like the soul
Speaker 1: crushing for Steve Sanders to hear something like that. Probably
Speaker 1: always like anything, it's okay, I'll rent a Ferrari or
Speaker 1: somebody was like, dag you Yeah, that's an ad lib
Speaker 1: for sure. The thing that took me, I mean just
Speaker 1: hearing Brian's voice when he's announcing the queens that are
Speaker 1: the prince princesses. Right, his voice seemed even higher in
Speaker 1: other episodes. I was like, oh my gosh, and you
Speaker 1: could hear everyone laughing in the hallways. Well David, well
Speaker 1: he had he had some great stuff in this episode too.
Speaker 1: But yeah, the whole um nominations for the Spring Princess
Speaker 1: or whatever. Um, Kelly got very excited when she got nominated.
Speaker 1: I threw my I threw my notebook like that's how
Speaker 1: excited I did throw it. And when I was watching,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh jeez, I like that. Donna and
Speaker 1: Brenda were supportive. I noticed that right away. There was
Speaker 1: really kind of no jealousy of you being nominated per
Speaker 1: se until the dress part. That was good. Yeah, take
Speaker 1: us to the Rodeo collection. Oh, my gosh, did they
Speaker 1: even call it that? Now? That is a actual place
Speaker 1: on Rodeo and you would go in and they'd have
Speaker 1: many different stores, which kind of Beverly Hills version of
Speaker 1: a mini mall or call out dormal. Yeah. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think it's still still there Rodeo Collection now but it's
Speaker 1: definitely on road drive open Monday do Sunday nine am
Speaker 1: to six pm. There you got, come on in, let's
Speaker 1: do it shopping. Okay, Wait, I gotta tell you something
Speaker 1: which I never realized I just recently. I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: I'm going to talk about the white black bow dress
Speaker 1: that um Brenda and Kelly end up both wearing. But
Speaker 1: did you know this fun fact I recently rewatched Mystic
Speaker 1: Pizza and Julia Roberts in that movie, do you know
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about? She's wearing that dress. And that's
Speaker 1: a movie from the eighties I believe, or was it
Speaker 1: early nineties. She comes down, she goes and she buys
Speaker 1: a dress, leaves the tag on so she can return
Speaker 1: it to go out on her date. She comes down
Speaker 1: the stairs wearing it. So not only is that dress
Speaker 1: iconic on you and Shannon, Julia Roberts as well released
Speaker 1: in so three years before it was you're our mathematician,
Speaker 1: good three years. Maybe that's why it was on sale
Speaker 1: when you guys bought it. Actually good fact checking from
Speaker 1: the riders there. But that dress has been I mean,
Speaker 1: I just that's a moment that will never be forgotten
Speaker 1: I think by me for sure and a lot of
Speaker 1: the fans because that when they show up in the
Speaker 1: same dress, and I love that um Brenda sort of
Speaker 1: makes it her own with her gloves and her pearls,
Speaker 1: and I just thought and their hair, everything about it
Speaker 1: like was prom esque. But it wasn't the prom It
Speaker 1: was just a dance. I felt like promo. It seemed
Speaker 1: like prom vegetable corsage? Hello the Radish? Why tell us
Speaker 1: some more about that? What the heck was the boutineer
Speaker 1: thing that Kelly gave Brandon? Why you guys who? She
Speaker 1: was like, oh, vegetable corsages are really in, but it's
Speaker 1: a boot near And she did say corsage corsage is
Speaker 1: what goes on? Is it? Vegetable corsages are very hip?
Speaker 1: Was that like a thing? Maybe they were like we
Speaker 1: were setting trends, so they were like, Okay, let's see
Speaker 1: if people will actually pick up, and apparently that was
Speaker 1: one that didn't take off. I really thought it was
Speaker 1: kind of cute, but very strange, you know what. I
Speaker 1: can remember. I can remember putting that on him, and
Speaker 1: I can remember filming with that stupid bunch of vegetables
Speaker 1: on his jacket, and we had to have so many
Speaker 1: because it just kept wilting like it was. They had
Speaker 1: like personally behind it, and then like like three radishes
Speaker 1: clumped together and the whole thing just kept going blue.
Speaker 1: Vegetables don't want to be worn on clothes, So it's
Speaker 1: kind of chic. It's very farm to Talks. I like it.
Speaker 1: Let's bring it back farm to Tuck. That scene when
Speaker 1: Kelly arrives at Brandon's house to give him, you know,
Speaker 1: she's putting the boot near on him him and then
Speaker 1: you guys kiss, I screamed like Kelly just went like
Speaker 1: like no, he had no choice in the matter. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It literally made me scream. I was like, what about
Speaker 1: the what about when they made out on the later Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're not even there yet. I'm sorry, but he got
Speaker 1: very handsy with you at the wallsh house like that.
Speaker 1: That was very Jason, was very Jason and Jenny. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he had his arms around you, like very comfortable. It
Speaker 1: was like very familiar, just asked you out. Yeah, and um,
Speaker 1: I thought it was funny when Brenda said, when I'm
Speaker 1: already giving you all my favorite lines, sorry, but Brenda
Speaker 1: says no. Kelly says Brenda, I'm a spring princess. And
Speaker 1: Brenda says, Kelly, I don't give a damn frink Kelly,
Speaker 1: I don't. It's so good. Oh my god, Brenda's cheeks
Speaker 1: were on points, like her cheekbones, gorgeous, youth good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we all appreciate what we had back then. So then
Speaker 1: what about my dress? Oh, you come in the door
Speaker 1: and there's the dress. There's the jo g Red dress
Speaker 1: that we actually made a copy of right for Bho
Speaker 1: And I was like, there it is, there's the dress.
Speaker 1: There it is. I wonder where that came from, Like
Speaker 1: was that in the script or we should ask Darren
Speaker 1: about the dress? Okay, Like I wonder where that inspiration?
Speaker 1: Like she can't fit into a dress, like it's too big.
Speaker 1: I mean it was. It was. It was like gone
Speaker 1: with the Wind situation exactly. But your character was really
Speaker 1: funny this episode. I finally got to do comedy. I
Speaker 1: was like, yes, okay, this was like gone, this big
Speaker 1: moment of like doing physical comedy, and I couldn't have
Speaker 1: been happier to given that writing. Yeah, I mean it
Speaker 1: was weird that you were going with Steve, but I
Speaker 1: just really thoroughly enjoyed all of the points when you
Speaker 1: were like I can't and then you're like, can't quite
Speaker 1: get the dress. Sit down, You're not comfortable. It's so
Speaker 1: cute your little face. I remember filming that in the
Speaker 1: limo and I was just in my head still like
Speaker 1: you know me, like very like I hope it's not
Speaker 1: too much. I hope they're not like, oh this girl,
Speaker 1: what's she doing again? Like making all these movements, still
Speaker 1: questioning myself but on the outside acting like no, I'm funny,
Speaker 1: like whatever, I got this, but like thing myself inside,
Speaker 1: you know. Wait, and Kelly stuck up for Donna right
Speaker 1: before Steve's like, I hope she knows it's platonic, and
Speaker 1: you're like you as if, Yeah, thanks for staying your dreams. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like why was Steve so like Donna such a sed
Speaker 1: He was a j but he had reasons. He had
Speaker 1: a lot of reasons to be jerky. Yeah, it's confession
Speaker 1: about being adopted. Yes, Steve's adopted. Nowhere back to one
Speaker 1: more thing before that part. Okay, I don't even know
Speaker 1: how to say this because it's so un PC. But
Speaker 1: when we're all in the house and we're taking the
Speaker 1: lineup photo of all of us, like our prom ish dates,
Speaker 1: I think it's Brandon. Is it okay to repeat something
Speaker 1: if it's a line that's not PC though, to say, yeah,
Speaker 1: you got your podcast? I don't want to be the
Speaker 1: one to say it. But it's like we said, everybody
Speaker 1: fit around the dress, and Brandon says, I think was
Speaker 1: it Brandon or was it Steve that said it? I
Speaker 1: think she's hiding an an rvy of midgets under there.
Speaker 1: No one said that, No one said that, Yes it
Speaker 1: was said. You know what it was? Said? Who said that?
Speaker 1: Because you know that was not written. That was an
Speaker 1: ad lib, but they kept it. It was totally an ablett.
Speaker 1: Do you know who said it? I couldn't hear whose
Speaker 1: voice it was. I was just so shocked when I
Speaker 1: watched it. It sounds like a Steve line, but I
Speaker 1: feel like I feel like it was Brandon. So they
Speaker 1: go to the dance. They go to the dance, and
Speaker 1: all Dylan wants to do is get Brenda up in
Speaker 1: that bedroom to get freaky, and uh, he's I love you.
Speaker 1: He when he said I love you Brenda. Maybe he
Speaker 1: said I love you Brenda back at the at the house,
Speaker 1: I don't remember. No, it was at right when they
Speaker 1: get there. I think he's like, don't you know I
Speaker 1: love I love you Brend. You're not just another notch
Speaker 1: on my belt. Yeah I didn't feel it, sorry, not
Speaker 1: just in another notch on my belt? Like, who says that?
Speaker 1: Did you guys feel you felt it? I know? But
Speaker 1: I mean I was a sucker for Dylan from the
Speaker 1: very beginning. So yeah, but I feel like you're you sis.
Speaker 1: You are a die hard Brenda and Dylan fan. I
Speaker 1: can feel it a little bit. Mmm, just from the
Speaker 1: very beginning. That's okay. I don't want to give it
Speaker 1: away from people who haven't seen it yet, but you know,
Speaker 1: it gets it gets dicey later, it does. Okay. Okay, Now,
Speaker 1: now we can't go to your kiss with Brandon. No, no,
Speaker 1: not yet, not yet. First we have to talk about
Speaker 1: when he said, um, when she says, I'm nervous, I'm
Speaker 1: going to disappoint you. And then and then um um,
Speaker 1: Dylan says something like it don't worry, We're gonna be
Speaker 1: just two people up in the room enjoying each other.
Speaker 1: And I was like, who enjoying each other? Like it
Speaker 1: wasn't I don't know, Yah, there will be no judgments
Speaker 1: or something, just enjoying or something. Am I the only
Speaker 1: one that was into this so into it? I was like, yes,
Speaker 1: I believe everything you say. Let's go upstairs. I don't
Speaker 1: remember it that way, like I feel like I was
Speaker 1: way into it when I watched it when I was young,
Speaker 1: and now watching it, I don't know. I wasn't. I
Speaker 1: got into I got more into it once they got
Speaker 1: into the room, like I was like, okay, I bee.
Speaker 1: Their chemistry was more than like some of the lines
Speaker 1: he was saying didn't feel like the Dylan. I know.
Speaker 1: We're not haters. The name of this podcast is o MG,
Speaker 1: and these are just O m G moments for us.
Speaker 1: Just portrayed the fantasy that every high school girl has
Speaker 1: if they're in a relationship and they haven't done it yet.
Speaker 1: That's how they envisioned losing their virginity, Like on A
Speaker 1: I did and I lost my virginity at homecoming. After
Speaker 1: the dance was at someone's house, not a hotel. But
Speaker 1: it was almost just to have that perfect I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's just the dance really justified it for me. I
Speaker 1: feel so much closer to you now that I know
Speaker 1: where you lost your virginity. Thanks for sharing. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I think it was a big issue for the network
Speaker 1: at the time to show a sixteen something you're all
Speaker 1: losing her virginity. I think they got a lot of
Speaker 1: heat after. Yeah, I mean they had to have yeah,
Speaker 1: even though it didn't show much, but it didn't show anything.
Speaker 1: But at the time, like under your age, sex was
Speaker 1: not something you really saw on TV. Right, No, okay,
Speaker 1: but yeah, if do you have something to say about
Speaker 1: the kiss of Kelly and Brandon, because oh, yeah, I do.
Speaker 1: It was your first experience of him eating your face.
Speaker 1: That was the first kiss of Kelly and Brandon. I know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're ready for it. It looked like a good kiss,
Speaker 1: so I'm not gonna lie. I was into it too.
Speaker 1: I was really into it. Sorry, more into watching that
Speaker 1: juicy kiss than Brendan Dylan. Sorry. It just looked like
Speaker 1: there was just so much chemistry. I enjoyed it too,
Speaker 1: really did, or maybe the whole rest of the scene
Speaker 1: it was. I loved that it wasn't TV like, it
Speaker 1: was real life, Like your lipstick was totally gone. How
Speaker 1: you've been mashing face? And I was like, oh, I
Speaker 1: love that, because sometimes they glossified in TV and they
Speaker 1: would cut back and need to have pur clipstick and
Speaker 1: powder and you weren't you go one at it? How
Speaker 1: many takes did you guys do with that scene at
Speaker 1: the dance? Who knows? I mean, geez, I don't remember,
Speaker 1: but I know it was a good kiss. I mean
Speaker 1: enough for your lipstick to come off. Not just her
Speaker 1: lipsticks this it was like all around here. It was
Speaker 1: like her nose, her cheeks. That's just what happens when
Speaker 1: you make out on camera usually because you're wearing a
Speaker 1: lot of makeup right for TV, and then and then
Speaker 1: you do a kissing scene like that and it gets everywhere.
Speaker 1: And also usually a guy has like stubble, like beard stubble,
Speaker 1: and it makes your face all red and rashy. It's
Speaker 1: not it's not pretty, it's not fun. The actual technical
Speaker 1: aspect of it, it was good. Yeah, And then he
Speaker 1: said you were like another sister. Oh, I don't think
Speaker 1: he'll think that seasons to come right? What did she say?
Speaker 1: Can't can't you fake amnische or something? Poor Kelly. I
Speaker 1: like it that she got denied a little bit though.
Speaker 1: I made her more human to me. I think so too,
Speaker 1: and relatable to a lot of people because I think
Speaker 1: like when some a boy doesn't like you back, you
Speaker 1: want to try to convince them to and it's not
Speaker 1: the move. I like you said, ouch, that's the ugliest thing,
Speaker 1: and you want to say ugliest, ugliest. I love this
Speaker 1: episode so much, such a good episode, you guys. And
Speaker 1: my favorite part though, I love to hold the whole
Speaker 1: dance and the band and just like all the extras
Speaker 1: in the background atmosphere, people and just everything. But my
Speaker 1: favorite favorite part was the very end when um the
Speaker 1: camera pulls back and the group is dancing together. Just
Speaker 1: was gave me all like the warm and fuzzy feels
Speaker 1: of how how amazing that moment actually was in real
Speaker 1: life to be standing there with that guy with those people,
Speaker 1: and I just I sat there watching it last night
Speaker 1: by myself, and I actually it shook me up quite
Speaker 1: a bit because it was just one of those moments
Speaker 1: where I really remember standing right next to Luke and
Speaker 1: just just that connection was so strong at that point,
Speaker 1: and it was just such a moment for me and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I miss him. No, that was
Speaker 1: an amazing scene. That's I'm sure the whole group there's
Speaker 1: scenes we don't remember filming, Like I feel like that's
Speaker 1: one of those scenes that we each remember and we'll
Speaker 1: always remember because everyone we were each other's best friends
Speaker 1: like that. You know, it wasn't what you just saw
Speaker 1: on camera was real in real life. And that was
Speaker 1: so huge. Yeah, and it had been a whole season already,
Speaker 1: so your relationships just probably continued to build. Yeah, definitely
Speaker 1: at that point for sure. It was just Also that's
Speaker 1: the big you know, everybody, what does that always happen
Speaker 1: at dance a school dance, when like a group of
Speaker 1: people just kind of dances together and takes over little
Speaker 1: dance floor. I don't know it. Yeah, it made me
Speaker 1: feel like all those movies that we love, Like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, I feel like that just happens in the movies.
Speaker 1: And I loved Iron in this episode. Mm hmmm. We
Speaker 1: really like Steve Sanders. You saw a softer side to him.
Speaker 1: I thought he was so great in the scene with
Speaker 1: Jason and they're in the hallway in the kitchen. Lighting
Speaker 1: on Jason was so magical, Um, we found out I
Speaker 1: was adopted, just such a nice moment. I feel like
Speaker 1: he played it so well. He really had a balance
Speaker 1: of emotion and comedy, Like, yeah, it really humanized all
Speaker 1: the characters too, Like it just made them so much
Speaker 1: more relatable, each of them. On Andrea h David with
Speaker 1: his dancing, the comedy of the skirt, like just the
Speaker 1: being the date of Steve and not really, I don't know,
Speaker 1: it just felt Um, Andrea's the chainsaw, that was hilarious.
Speaker 1: What about Okay, what about when she's watching it and
Speaker 1: she doesn't she live with her grandma? Isn't that the
Speaker 1: whole thing with her grandma? I was gonna ask you
Speaker 1: because then she's like, Mom, can I borrow an evening gown? Yeah? Mom,
Speaker 1: first of all, but then evening gown second of all?
Speaker 1: She said, your evening gown? Like there's only one. Mom
Speaker 1: has an evening gown up in the closet there and
Speaker 1: it magically fits her perfectly with ginormous puff sleeves. Sound
Speaker 1: the style though, those puffy sleeves and they were large
Speaker 1: like and in charge. Those sleeves it fit her like
Speaker 1: a glove. Well, ladies, Darren stars in the waiting room.
Speaker 1: It's now, it's happening, it's happening. But we should take
Speaker 1: a break. Okay, everybody's yeah, I can't wait. M h
Speaker 1: Hello handsome, Hello, god, you guys are gorgeous. Why do
Speaker 1: you get more and more handsome as you? Greatness? Boy
Speaker 1: and boys get more handsome with age and us women
Speaker 1: just you guys like you guys look amazing, you look amazing.
Speaker 1: We're so excited to talk to you. I know me too.
Speaker 1: I saw you, but for a second on that nine
Speaker 1: O thing we did a while ago, I just gotta
Speaker 1: I didn't have my glasses on. I couldn't see you. Sorry.
Speaker 1: I loved, loved the show you did with Chessa and Alborghini.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. I thought it was so good and
Speaker 1: you guys were so good at it. I mean, everybody was.
Speaker 1: It was like a blast. We had a great time
Speaker 1: doing it. It was certainly a challenge. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I didn't look like it didn't It looked
Speaker 1: like it didn't look like a challenge. It look fun.
Speaker 1: We'll get together and tell you the story, but I
Speaker 1: couldn't even was shot in Canada that I don't know
Speaker 1: how you pulled it looks so real. Really, why does
Speaker 1: the beach scenes, no beach scenes stuff look pretty good?
Speaker 1: It really all felt you would never know that was
Speaker 1: crazy when they told me they was shot there. Remember
Speaker 1: that day, Jen, they were like carting and like plants
Speaker 1: and palm trees. Yeah, we were like, okay, it was
Speaker 1: everything I thought. I thought the castle looked amazing. He's
Speaker 1: all looks so good. It was so fun to be
Speaker 1: back together with everyone, and we completely all regressed to
Speaker 1: our younger selves within like moments. It was crazy old
Speaker 1: behaviors kind of bubbling right back up. Every fun right,
Speaker 1: I can imagine. But I thought, you I got you
Speaker 1: nailed it. I thought, thank you. That means a lot
Speaker 1: to us. Thank you. Yes, I just have to tell you.
Speaker 1: I watch it with my kids, Emily and Paris is
Speaker 1: so amazing. We love it. It's so fun to watch it. Really,
Speaker 1: remember your Paris episode? What did you have to eat
Speaker 1: when you went to Paris? Brains brains brains? Yeah, you're
Speaker 1: all of your you know you You've created some of
Speaker 1: the most iconic, most colorful like I don't know. The
Speaker 1: shows that you make just sort of transport you to
Speaker 1: like another time where things are just better and uh
Speaker 1: easier like this. It's fantastic, you know. I love that
Speaker 1: about your shows. Thank you well. Starting with the one
Speaker 1: we all did together, I mean that was the o G.
Speaker 1: That was your first first show with unbelievable. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you don't even know the story that no
Speaker 1: tell us. I can't remember exactly how We're so young,
Speaker 1: Tory you Yeah, you were so young, you were like fifteen,
Speaker 1: I think, Um, did you hear that Jen? I had
Speaker 1: I had written some I had written a a number
Speaker 1: of teenager in the movies. A producer I read a
Speaker 1: film for when I was in my twenties went to
Speaker 1: Fox to start work in drama, this guy Paul Stupid
Speaker 1: and they were developing with Karen a show based on
Speaker 1: Beverly Hills High for a writer, and they he thought
Speaker 1: of me and he I met I met Dad at
Speaker 1: the Old Old at the Old House, and we just clicked.
Speaker 1: And he saw some film, this awful movie that I
Speaker 1: made called Doing Time on Planet Earthing. Liked it. That
Speaker 1: was terrible, and he's like, great, do it? And like
Speaker 1: we just I just wrote the pilot and then I
Speaker 1: don't know, at the beginning, it was just like me
Speaker 1: and him. There was like it was so like it
Speaker 1: was so um fun and I don't know, it was
Speaker 1: just like one of those things where I thought, this
Speaker 1: is so great. Does anybody realize how good this show is.
Speaker 1: We made the pilot and I was like, this is amazing,
Speaker 1: and and Fox was kind of like, well, we don't know.
Speaker 1: And then it tested through the roof the pilot the
Speaker 1: roof because they and they um teenagers could be actually successful.
Speaker 1: And I think Tori recommended some actors. I remember that
Speaker 1: we hadn't cast we had not cast, uh Jason's role,
Speaker 1: And so the very last minute and I think you knew.
Speaker 1: You mentioned that, you mentioned Shannon, you mentioned Jason. You
Speaker 1: like you knew all these acts. It was such a
Speaker 1: like a TV fan. Shannon I knew from our house,
Speaker 1: and Heather's from and you came into read. Okay, Jenny,
Speaker 1: you came in to read. I was so green that
Speaker 1: you did this audition. And during the audition, like it
Speaker 1: was it was that you waved and said a lot
Speaker 1: of people and I thought you were waving at me.
Speaker 1: She's in a character's doing the role. He wanted be
Speaker 1: wigging out, like to be making this show with Aaron
Speaker 1: Spelling and like testing through the roof, like I would
Speaker 1: have been freaking out if I was you, like with
Speaker 1: happiness to say he made it. He was not intimidating.
Speaker 1: He made it really fun. He really was Your dad
Speaker 1: was just so um he he was. He was very creative,
Speaker 1: so it felt like working with somebody like creative and
Speaker 1: or another writer, not like, uh, you know, the executive.
Speaker 1: And he was what I loved this. He was always
Speaker 1: so nervous about everything. And I would say, Tom, why
Speaker 1: are you nervous going to the studio and pitching things?
Speaker 1: I'm like, what do you miss about where spellings? He
Speaker 1: would be like, I have spilkus yeah were yeah exactly.
Speaker 1: He would still get nervous and and be like, I
Speaker 1: can't believe you're getting nervous about anything. So where did
Speaker 1: the title come from? So originally it was Class of
Speaker 1: Beverly Hills that was the title, and then Barry Diller
Speaker 1: had this idea to call it Girls nine or two
Speaker 1: and O, which I thought was the worst time I
Speaker 1: ever heard of. I thought, that's horrible. You know, zip
Speaker 1: code like and he was smart because I I thought, like,
Speaker 1: to me, it was a show about high school and
Speaker 1: he's like, no, it's more than that, and he I
Speaker 1: just thought, Okay, that's the beauty of collaborating, right, because
Speaker 1: you don't have all the answers. Nobody has all the
Speaker 1: right answers, And it's so great when a group of
Speaker 1: people come together and make a show, especially like this
Speaker 1: where I don't know, everybody just kind of chimed in
Speaker 1: and helped out and it made it so wonderful. I
Speaker 1: have a question. Did Shannon and Jason do a chemistry
Speaker 1: read together? Yes? Yes, okay, Jason read with Shannon. Wasn't
Speaker 1: actually chemistry, but it was like for the from the
Speaker 1: first time Jason read, it was already cast and she
Speaker 1: read with him, and afterwards he walked out and she
Speaker 1: was like yeah, Like she was like, I like them.
Speaker 1: Was there anyone else up for the role of Brandon
Speaker 1: that we would know? Uh? I don't know they were.
Speaker 1: I just remember there were a couple of actors that
Speaker 1: I don't remember the names, nobody that went on to
Speaker 1: big like stardom or anything that that we looked at.
Speaker 1: But nobody like really clicked and really the role wasn't
Speaker 1: cast since the very last moment. He was the last
Speaker 1: role cast in the pilot. Yes, he was on another
Speaker 1: show that was getting canceled, and when that show kind
Speaker 1: of like they that show, he was suddenly available. Was that,
Speaker 1: sister Kate? Yes? Wow? Yeah, yeah, yeah, So you directed
Speaker 1: the first step? No, you directed this episode we're talking
Speaker 1: about today. I directed the Spring Spring episode of the
Speaker 1: first season. Yeah, it's the episode that we're talking we're
Speaker 1: rewatching today and talking about. So we're seeing masterful directing.
Speaker 1: And actually the first thing I directed was it. Were
Speaker 1: you excited? Were you nervous? Like, that's a big step.
Speaker 1: I think I was definitely more nervous than anything else.
Speaker 1: It's not, you know, like one of those things we
Speaker 1: watch what else do it? But until you're doing it,
Speaker 1: you don't know what they really to do it, until
Speaker 1: you call that first action. Yeah, a big episode for
Speaker 1: your directorial debut. That was. It was a lot happened
Speaker 1: in that episode stylistically. It was so beautiful though. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not like a John Hughes film, kind of like
Speaker 1: I feel like I was watching a nineties wrong call.
Speaker 1: You know. Well, that was like the whole idea behind
Speaker 1: that for me was the that there had been these
Speaker 1: great John Hughes movies, but no one had done it
Speaker 1: for television, and quite that John Hughes way, I felt
Speaker 1: like captured that for TV. Yeah, he's got chills. I
Speaker 1: love that. It's so true though, So back to the original,
Speaker 1: uh uh, the onset of the show. You said before
Speaker 1: that your sister was the sort of music for inspirations
Speaker 1: for Brenda. I was just thinking about when I wrote
Speaker 1: just think of my sister so great. You guys were close, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: we were close. And then so we follow a lot
Speaker 1: for which character was most like you. I guess Random
Speaker 1: was most like me, you know, um, the sort of
Speaker 1: like you know, Jason made it more interesting than I
Speaker 1: was in high school. But but I guess that's a
Speaker 1: character because I guess that I could relate to the most.
Speaker 1: You was the first episode, the pilot episode. It was
Speaker 1: was it meant to be a movie or was it
Speaker 1: just meant to be a two hour situation? You know,
Speaker 1: I had only written movies up to that point, so
Speaker 1: that's all I knew how to do. So I wrote
Speaker 1: it in a two hour movie, and I think it
Speaker 1: ended up being closer than ninety minutes or something like
Speaker 1: that when it aired, when it was cut and everything. Yeah,
Speaker 1: how do they do that? How they don't know how
Speaker 1: they did that? How they what made it ninety minutes? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Like how do they air ninety minutes back then? Back then?
Speaker 1: I think they did air as ninety minutes back then?
Speaker 1: I said, nothing else to air? Was just starting out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember we were always on the verge of cancelation
Speaker 1: that first season. It wasn't that. Yeah, is that the truth?
Speaker 1: It wasn't a hit, right, wasn't a hit? With the
Speaker 1: episodes you get like dribbled in, dribble in like three episodes,
Speaker 1: and we first got twelve, and they ordered four and
Speaker 1: they ordered three. Oh. Air was always on the phone
Speaker 1: beating them up and trying to get them to order more.
Speaker 1: You know what would have happened if they didn't order more.
Speaker 1: We wouldn't all be sitting here talking to each other.
Speaker 1: I know. It's so scary to think about how things
Speaker 1: gonna go on. And and then you remember we came
Speaker 1: back in the summer that first season and it was
Speaker 1: it was like a good news bad news thing. When
Speaker 1: Chuck Rosen and I went to meet the network, they're like,
Speaker 1: great news, you guys are doing so well, and we
Speaker 1: kind of made it through that first season, which was
Speaker 1: still episodes at right, and then we're thinking that we're
Speaker 1: gonna take this break. I'm not sure even knew this,
Speaker 1: but they told us in like April or May that,
Speaker 1: you know, just as we finished production that were that
Speaker 1: we were going to get renewed. They wanted us to
Speaker 1: come back in the summer, which meant that we couldn't
Speaker 1: take a break. So that was the second season was
Speaker 1: Summer the Beach. Oh my gosh, already we started. We
Speaker 1: started filming like immediately. I think it aired in five
Speaker 1: so we were like filming in May. We never really
Speaker 1: barely No, it is for the no ite is for
Speaker 1: the right. But Chuck Rosen was going on vacation with
Speaker 1: his family me to Hawaiian. The only way to keep
Speaker 1: going was I had to go on vacation with him
Speaker 1: and his family to Hawaii. So good how that the
Speaker 1: four seasons on Maui, I'm like, I've never been there,
Speaker 1: and I was there with Chuck and his family and
Speaker 1: his little kids and were standing by the pool drinking
Speaker 1: and figuring out the next season. And matter to know,
Speaker 1: that's hilarious. That's a perfect way to figure it out.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, it was. It was. It's a crazy
Speaker 1: memily that we have actually did I wanted to know
Speaker 1: because we have memories of how it went down. The
Speaker 1: story of the casting of Luke I don't think. I
Speaker 1: guess I don't remember being that complicated. You know, we
Speaker 1: felt like we didn't have this sort of bad boy
Speaker 1: character from the was on the pilot, and so we
Speaker 1: kind of as we got together as a writing staff,
Speaker 1: we kind of thought, we need character. And I don't
Speaker 1: know if it's a network idea where it came from,
Speaker 1: or was you know, Aaron's idea, But so we developed
Speaker 1: a character of Dylan and then we I don't remember
Speaker 1: reading anybody except for Luke. I just remember Luke coming
Speaker 1: in and thinking like, oh my god, he's perfect and
Speaker 1: he was paving parking lots at the time, and and
Speaker 1: then like the next day he was like one basically.
Speaker 1: And in the first season we feel like he's not
Speaker 1: in it that much. Was he only cast like seven
Speaker 1: out of or how did that go? He probably was,
Speaker 1: but he was in it. He had the he was
Speaker 1: had an affair with Brenda, and in that first episode
Speaker 1: that he was in, he and Brandon were surfing and
Speaker 1: I don't remember. I guess I remember Luke a bunch
Speaker 1: of the first season, but he probably was instead out
Speaker 1: of thirteen. Basically, you know, he wasn't in He wasn't
Speaker 1: meant to be in all of them because it was
Speaker 1: like a new character, we're gonna shook out. But had
Speaker 1: some good episodes that first season. Are you like me,
Speaker 1: like you don't like to watch your work back? Do
Speaker 1: you have you watched? Well, I have to say I have.
Speaker 1: I haven't watched Spring Dance, but I've seen I don't.
Speaker 1: I saw a Slumber Party recently, which I think is
Speaker 1: so good. There's two episodes I saw in both of them,
Speaker 1: but you're both and all you're both in both of them,
Speaker 1: slumber Party and the Perfect Mom episode. I don't know why.
Speaker 1: I went back to see it, and it's like, have
Speaker 1: you seen that one lately? We did? We watched that.
Speaker 1: It's good? Isn't it really good? I mean like I
Speaker 1: watched and I was like, wow, it was better than
Speaker 1: I even remembered it being it stands the test of time.
Speaker 1: I love it. And the and you're the woman that
Speaker 1: plays your mom is like fantastic. I know she's so great.
Speaker 1: She lives like somewhere else now and she's a minister,
Speaker 1: you know. I googled her and I found that out
Speaker 1: like really, just like about a month ago. I watched
Speaker 1: it just I think it was because it was I
Speaker 1: just saw that nine of when it was on the
Speaker 1: original series on Hulu. So once I saw it, and
Speaker 1: I was like, I just randomly clicked on that episode
Speaker 1: to watch it. I thought I thought I was gonna
Speaker 1: watch it for five minutes. I just like watched the
Speaker 1: whole thing. You get sucked in, right, Ye. We hadn't
Speaker 1: rewatched since we filmed it, so rewatching it now, it's
Speaker 1: so relevant except for like the cell phones that are
Speaker 1: like huge bricks. Other than that, the clothings up to date,
Speaker 1: because it's all around again. It's so fun though, to
Speaker 1: watch it for the first time and we're kind of
Speaker 1: fanning out, like we're watching it as fans, like somehow
Speaker 1: removing ourselves from from it all. I mean, I'm watching
Speaker 1: an episode like I wrote that episode and I'm watching
Speaker 1: it and I don't even remember I don't remember me,
Speaker 1: I don't remember the story. So I'm like kind of
Speaker 1: like getting surprised as I'm watching it, like you know,
Speaker 1: I don't remember. I literally could not remember the storyline.
Speaker 1: So it's kind of all surprised. Do you find that
Speaker 1: when you're watching them, like you don't even remember the story? Yeah, definitely,
Speaker 1: I have a really bad memory. Tory has to fill
Speaker 1: me in on everything. But um, it's so good to
Speaker 1: watch it because it kind of like refreshes, it brings
Speaker 1: it all back a little bit. Yeah, and you were there, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you were there? Well, I mean melrose Place? Come about that?
Speaker 1: They that box was like, we want to spin off?
Speaker 1: Or did you guys think of it? Come to wait?
Speaker 1: Wasn't it the construction guy in the backyard, wasn't it right?
Speaker 1: That's how it Melrose Place. They wanted to spin off. First,
Speaker 1: they wanted a college show, and I I said, you guys,
Speaker 1: we can't do a college show because these characters are
Speaker 1: gonna go to college. And they didn't really think about
Speaker 1: that there. They didn't have this. They didn't realize that
Speaker 1: the cast of nine or two and oh in orders
Speaker 1: for the show too Ball was going to like leave
Speaker 1: high school. And I think when they you know, you
Speaker 1: know that we were in high school for two seasons
Speaker 1: Junior year Two's basically, Um, and I had lived in
Speaker 1: a building like that. So I had this idea for
Speaker 1: this show, and we kind of shoehorned it in. It
Speaker 1: wasn't you know. It was sort of like it wasn't
Speaker 1: the most organic spin off, but we kind of found
Speaker 1: a way to kind of incorporate. You remember Jake and
Speaker 1: he was the handyman at your mom's wedding? Was that
Speaker 1: what it was? And you had an affair with him?
Speaker 1: That story would not fly today. It was basically statutory rate.
Speaker 1: He was a little older. He was a little older. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you were very precocious. Kelly was very precious. So many
Speaker 1: of the stories don't wouldn't work now. I mean, but
Speaker 1: I find on our show that there aren't a lot
Speaker 1: of storylines where I say to myself, I don't think
Speaker 1: that would fly today. There are a few moments we've
Speaker 1: had so far in the first season where you know,
Speaker 1: things are so different now, and uh, I haven't found
Speaker 1: myself thinking that very often. Yeah, but yeah, that that
Speaker 1: was one of them. That was one of them, for sure.
Speaker 1: I look back, I'm like, wow, even nobody likes so
Speaker 1: a word at that time. Nope. Yeah, And and Brenda
Speaker 1: was notoriously always going for older men in the first episode.
Speaker 1: We feel like every episode in the pilot you had
Speaker 1: affair with our college kid or something like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the creepy college by Yeah, he's so creepy. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: and I'm crying. You have always your shows are always,
Speaker 1: like I said before, very um beautiful to the eye.
Speaker 1: And a big part of that's fashion, right, Like I
Speaker 1: know that you said that that wasn't something that you
Speaker 1: were really concerned about in the beginning, but then you realize,
Speaker 1: I you know, Aaron was always very concerned about fashion.
Speaker 1: Your dad was always very in wardrobe and everything like
Speaker 1: that always, And I never thought of nine o two
Speaker 1: and I was like, I mean, you think about Dynasty,
Speaker 1: that's such a fashion show. But to me, I just thought, like,
Speaker 1: who cares what everybody's wearing? But um, you know, and
Speaker 1: that's place. But he would always have Aaron would always
Speaker 1: have like, um, wardrobe coming to office and you look
Speaker 1: at everything, and first I thought, well, how does he
Speaker 1: even know? But he had an eye, he knew. He
Speaker 1: had a real sense of like what people wearing, with
Speaker 1: characters wearing, and also how important wardrobe would be. Um,
Speaker 1: wardrope and hair and makeup was something I really didn't
Speaker 1: think about so I definitely learned a lot about that
Speaker 1: from Aaron and even on that episode Perfect Mom. I
Speaker 1: remember showing friends and episode when it aired, and they
Speaker 1: were just like looking at the clothes because it was
Speaker 1: a fashion it really the clothes, And I thought, but like,
Speaker 1: aren't you like paying attention to the story of the characters,
Speaker 1: But my beautiful writing, people do I mean people watch
Speaker 1: TV for the clothes, and they watch it for the interior,
Speaker 1: and they watch it for the set. I really feel
Speaker 1: like they do. She used to come home with polaroids.
Speaker 1: My dad always had polaroids in his briefcase. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: from his office, and he'd be like, what do you
Speaker 1: think the skirt? And it was always in the hair.
Speaker 1: Do I think I want to change it? He would
Speaker 1: ask my opinion, but he had the opinions as well,
Speaker 1: and it was I used my friends and I would laugh.
Speaker 1: They'd be like, your dad's into that. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: who knew? Well he knew? No, well he knew was
Speaker 1: all part of Like look, that's part of in a
Speaker 1: real old school way, like that's part of making movies,
Speaker 1: you know, old Hollywood, Like you look at all the
Speaker 1: hair and makeup and wardrobe tests and everything like that,
Speaker 1: though they always would do those. Um, so yeah, I
Speaker 1: saw how important it became, especially on our shows, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it became a huge part of your shows. I mean
Speaker 1: Sex in the City was just like that was the
Speaker 1: show for fashion to watch, and now Emilia in Paris
Speaker 1: just the same. Well you're still working with Pat right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I work at Field, so that's yeah, that's a big
Speaker 1: part of why that happens because of her. She's just
Speaker 1: a genius and she just goes you know, and she
Speaker 1: goes out there and I feel like she entered like
Speaker 1: the clothes become entertaining and people watch for them. And
Speaker 1: you know, when I was doing Sex and the City
Speaker 1: with her at the beginning, I would I would sort
Speaker 1: of get annoyed, like, you know, we can't hear the
Speaker 1: dialogue because the closures speak are so loud. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: like you can't, like, who's gonna like listen to what
Speaker 1: they're saying. They're just staring like kind of basically in
Speaker 1: shock at what some of these characters are wearing. And
Speaker 1: um but I know that the audience loves and I
Speaker 1: you know, I gave her a lot of rope, and
Speaker 1: I trust her and some I realized I look at
Speaker 1: stuff and I'm like, it's crazy, but it's fun, you know,
Speaker 1: and it's like, you know, we're not doing a documentary.
Speaker 1: Not doing a documentary, right? Yeah? Have you? I was curious,
Speaker 1: you know, have you ever gone to the darker side?
Speaker 1: Have you ever wanted to explore like creating something not
Speaker 1: quite so colorful? And I don't know, I I like
Speaker 1: a Gritt've done very glasses show. I've always done pretty
Speaker 1: glasses shows. I mean, I actually like, um, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I would. I think if the material is right and
Speaker 1: if I could really connect to it. You know, I
Speaker 1: actually love science fiction. I love watching science fiction. But
Speaker 1: you know, I think they but I think they could
Speaker 1: have fashion in the future also or on the board
Speaker 1: like space. I don't like horror, no do you loves
Speaker 1: I can't watch it. I just can't. It disturbed me
Speaker 1: too much. Yeah you know nightmares. Yeah, well, because you know,
Speaker 1: like as actors, like you get tired of just doing
Speaker 1: a drama and you want to go try comedy and
Speaker 1: then you want to go to a western like you
Speaker 1: want to try to I would like to. I would,
Speaker 1: I mean, I I you know, side over yet so
Speaker 1: it would be fun to try to do different things
Speaker 1: for sure. You know, it's really just for me. It's
Speaker 1: about what I can write and really connect to as
Speaker 1: a writer that I can that I can do it justice.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I would. I think it'd be cool to
Speaker 1: do with I love thrillers. I don't love horror, but
Speaker 1: I love thrillers, you know, mysteries that sort of stuff. Right.
Speaker 1: Can we go back to Sex Mas City? For sure? Fan?
Speaker 1: So I have to ask you, the character is on
Speaker 1: Sex of the City, who would you like in Kelly
Speaker 1: and Donna to the characters? Okay, I have to say,
Speaker 1: And I know this is like not you know, maybe
Speaker 1: that's like a the answer you want, But I just
Speaker 1: think there's so I think Kelly and Donna are so different.
Speaker 1: I think there there are some the own people. I
Speaker 1: don't think of them in comparison to other characters, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like, I can't. I just think
Speaker 1: they're they're Kelly and Donna. I don't I think that,
Speaker 1: like you know, I think I would. I think you're
Speaker 1: just both Samantha House that do you want to be Samantha? No,
Speaker 1: that's you, I know. And I'm not like pro I'm
Speaker 1: not like, you're not no in real life wherein Kelly
Speaker 1: was I feel like the great the great thing is
Speaker 1: I feel like every woman and man has a side
Speaker 1: of every character on Sex. Yes, exactly, we all have
Speaker 1: a little bit of that totally. There's always a little Miranda,
Speaker 1: a little Charlotte, little carry exactly, you're not. No One's
Speaker 1: everything exactly exactly one of those Yes, no one's exactly
Speaker 1: one of these people, totally totally. Who would you be though,
Speaker 1: from Sex in the City. You know, I'd probably be
Speaker 1: to carry Mr Big, No, I would I don't know.
Speaker 1: Mr Big was a little like, I'm not like that
Speaker 1: emotionally distant. He's pretty emotionally, you know, emostly cut off.
Speaker 1: I'd probably be carry. I mean, she's a writer, she's
Speaker 1: writing about stuff. I think she had a great sense
Speaker 1: of humor. I mean, you know, I think I would
Speaker 1: just most identify with her only because she's like the
Speaker 1: writer character of the group. You um, you film Emily
Speaker 1: in Paris in Paris, Yeah, and we start filming. It
Speaker 1: was great. I mean, we start we go back in
Speaker 1: the third we start filming the second season. Are you
Speaker 1: going back to Paris? We started the south of France
Speaker 1: and then I know, you know, we gotta do it
Speaker 1: still if you ever need some cameos were available. All right,
Speaker 1: we can hold your script if you'd like, I mean,
Speaker 1: would really just get your glasses. You can see the sides.
Speaker 1: Just come on over and visit anytime. We can do that.
Speaker 1: We can do our podcasts from there. There you go, BTS.
Speaker 1: We could do behind the scenes for you. That's right.
Speaker 1: I love I love that. Oh my god. Lily Collins
Speaker 1: was on the reboot of nine or two and that
Speaker 1: was her first job. What, Oh my god, I didn't
Speaker 1: remember that. Oh my god. Wait, so the woman with
Speaker 1: the young people, the new young people, Yes, the one
Speaker 1: with the young people. What were you you young when?
Speaker 1: But when they rebooted it, I wasn't young anymore. They
Speaker 1: got young again. Yeah, oh I didn't know that. I
Speaker 1: didn't know that Lily. She'd be a good guest for
Speaker 1: you guys. Talk about that. When they did the reboot
Speaker 1: of nine, did they come to you. No, No, not
Speaker 1: at all, not at all, because you know, it was
Speaker 1: just owned by them, and I think they didn't want
Speaker 1: after hey meum, but they just went off and did it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we have issues with that one, even though Jen's started it.
Speaker 1: I kind of read about in Variety like all of
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, they killed your mother off, Like that's
Speaker 1: the thing I didn't like because I was like, that's
Speaker 1: an original nine character. They shouldn't mess with that, right. Yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: I read about Variety while I was doing a show
Speaker 1: for the c W. Oh my god, were you like
Speaker 1: what we Yeah? Um, yeah, I think we all were.
Speaker 1: I think we all were. Y Yeah, definitely. And then
Speaker 1: the crazy movies they did on the c W. No, no,
Speaker 1: on Lifetime, Lifetime, but the real life of the did
Speaker 1: you did you like the person that played you? I thought,
Speaker 1: you know what I looked at At first I was appalled,
Speaker 1: and then I just laughed. I mean you have to laugh, right,
Speaker 1: you had to laugh at that? Yeah, you just have
Speaker 1: to laugh. The only one that looked the girl that
Speaker 1: played me looked just like me, Like I feel like
Speaker 1: I could hire her as my double for something. She was.
Speaker 1: She was good. Yea. It captured a little bit of
Speaker 1: the beginning, it did, I have to say, yeah, it did.
Speaker 1: It captured a little bit at the beginning. I don't
Speaker 1: know where they got it all from, but it did
Speaker 1: sort of like, yeah, I heard that they just compiled
Speaker 1: that from um all of our interviews or books that
Speaker 1: we had written, Like Jason wrote a book, I wrote
Speaker 1: a book. You've written books. So they took a lot
Speaker 1: of that material and pasted it all together. And I
Speaker 1: just don't how do you come to us and asking
Speaker 1: because they went a little bit differently fact checked a
Speaker 1: little bit right, that would have been nice. And you
Speaker 1: know what, I'm curious because your shows are so stylized.
Speaker 1: I'm going to keep the in that upset it like
Speaker 1: eight times. But is that like when you're writing, when
Speaker 1: you're Darren sitting down to write something, is that how
Speaker 1: you see the world like sort of through those beautiful lenses?
Speaker 1: You know? I keep thinking I'm writing something realistic and
Speaker 1: then people come and tell me it's stylized, So it
Speaker 1: is that's how you see the world sort of sort of,
Speaker 1: I guess so to a degree, Yeah, that's such a
Speaker 1: fun way to see the world. Though, Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I feel like emotionally, I think the characters have a
Speaker 1: lot of emotional truth to them. That's important. That's the
Speaker 1: important thing. And I think people, yeah, but do you
Speaker 1: have a lot of characters are just basically all these
Speaker 1: shows are in a way characters in a room talking
Speaker 1: to each other. So it's basically like the settings become
Speaker 1: visually have to say pull you in, because ultimately the
Speaker 1: shows are just about people talking, all of them and
Speaker 1: personal drama. So yeah, I mean that's the thing people
Speaker 1: always say. What that's the number one question that I've
Speaker 1: always been asked on interviews and I'm sure you tutor
Speaker 1: is um, why do you think it struck such a
Speaker 1: chord with people? Why do you think people loved Beverly
Speaker 1: Hills nine o two one oh so much? And why
Speaker 1: is it standing the test of time? And that's the answer.
Speaker 1: Like it was this fantastic, amazing world that no one
Speaker 1: had ever seen before Beverly Hills and that lifestyle, but
Speaker 1: it was just it's so much more about the characters
Speaker 1: and the integration of the characters and like the relatability. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, it wasn't. It was all about the characters.
Speaker 1: It wasn't as people can say, oh, it's superficial and shallow,
Speaker 1: but it really wasn't, because the characters had depth to
Speaker 1: them and they were relatable. I mean, it's all and
Speaker 1: it was like the window dress is great, but that's
Speaker 1: not when the show was utual takes you so far. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it only takes so far exactly because that anybody can
Speaker 1: do that show. Anybody can shoot a show that looks great.
Speaker 1: But it's really all about the cast, the characters, the um,
Speaker 1: the emotion, and it all has to click, you know,
Speaker 1: the writing and the cast. You gotta get so lucky
Speaker 1: for all to come together. It's kind of amazing when
Speaker 1: it does. Like on our show, it's like you think
Speaker 1: all the little things that might not have happened if
Speaker 1: you didn't have exactly the cast that we had, you know,
Speaker 1: like it might not have worked. You know, it all
Speaker 1: has to come together. You know. It's cant of making
Speaker 1: me get a little misty eyed because I thought that
Speaker 1: because you directed this episode Spring Dance, and at the
Speaker 1: very end, when the whole gang starts dancing on the
Speaker 1: dance floor, it stirred something in me that I couldn't deny.
Speaker 1: You know. It was like, oh, those people in that
Speaker 1: moment and just yeah, and you guys you had that
Speaker 1: you did sort of have that like real camaraderie with
Speaker 1: each other and that real, that real connection, and it
Speaker 1: came through you know, it was like you were able
Speaker 1: to you really were able to kind of like get
Speaker 1: it on the screen, that feeling of what it's like
Speaker 1: to sort of like have these best friends in high
Speaker 1: school together because you sort of also felt that way
Speaker 1: about each other. Yeah at the time, you know, they
Speaker 1: call it lightning in a bottle, right, yeah, I know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just you gotta get you do have to get lucky.
Speaker 1: You can work so hard, but you gotta get lucky.
Speaker 1: I remember, I really remember that. I remember that shot.
Speaker 1: It was like for me, it was so exciting, you know,
Speaker 1: it was like I was working with a crane that
Speaker 1: was like, you know, exciting. The big guns came out. Yeah, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: the toys Darren, Do you have a favorite episode of Original? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Oh god, that's a hard question. Do I love Donna Graduates,
Speaker 1: Donna Martin graduates who knew? Oh my gosh. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: because I was there so much in the first few years,
Speaker 1: I was a by the ones that are most top
Speaker 1: of my mind. That's when I was there ad the time.
Speaker 1: I love Swint Dance, I really do. Maybe because I
Speaker 1: directed it was the first had directive, But I just
Speaker 1: I just like I love the episode. I love all
Speaker 1: the emotion that I love. Like just um, I love
Speaker 1: the comedy. I remember you Tory, like wearing that crazy
Speaker 1: hoop skirts and coming out of a limo. How funny
Speaker 1: you were and trying to sit down. I don't know,
Speaker 1: just all these things that were there, just like we're
Speaker 1: just so excited to have that fun for me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was funny and just had had emotion and it
Speaker 1: was I think great. I was like a little John
Speaker 1: Hughes movie and it kind of captured the ensemble so well.
Speaker 1: I thought Iron was so good in this episode. He
Speaker 1: was so good. Yes, I remember Brandon in the little
Speaker 1: kitchen hallway and lighting on them. Oh my god, was gorgeous.
Speaker 1: But his emotions were so great. You directed him so beautifully,
Speaker 1: like thank you, thank you, piece for me him. I
Speaker 1: thought Iron was great in the reboots. He was so
Speaker 1: he looks he looks amazing, he looks fantastic, he's so built.
Speaker 1: He's a handsome, handsome devil. Yeah. Yeah, everyone, I mean
Speaker 1: everyone's everyone's held together pretty good. Yeah, Brian looked amazing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's really true. Everybody looks so. Everybody looks so good.
Speaker 1: We're doing our best to make you proud of you.
Speaker 1: You have to keep it up for you do well.
Speaker 1: All the fans out there that you that still watch
Speaker 1: the show and see you and they're like, wow, it
Speaker 1: still looks like you in my school. You know, we've
Speaker 1: got a few more years in us. Yeah, a lot
Speaker 1: more than a lot, more than a few. I don't know.
Speaker 1: We boasted further back right right. You are so fun
Speaker 1: to talk to. I feel like, oh my God, should
Speaker 1: be great to see you in personally. Do it. We'll
Speaker 1: do it. Let's do it in l A. Let's find
Speaker 1: each other. I'm here. I go back to France and
Speaker 1: like to like a week and a half to do
Speaker 1: this next season in Paris, son, are you there for
Speaker 1: how long? Till till the end of till the end
Speaker 1: of July? And right now they have a lock they
Speaker 1: have a lockdown, which is a little weird. Um, they're
Speaker 1: not doing so well, but you do the quarantine two weeks.
Speaker 1: Then when you get there one week, one week, one week,
Speaker 1: and then it doesn't have start filming. Yeah we're able
Speaker 1: to film. But you know, we filmed Younger, the series
Speaker 1: I've doing in New York. The last season just finished
Speaker 1: and we thank you. We filmed um in during the
Speaker 1: pandemic and you know we have to amass on set
Speaker 1: the whole time. I don't know if you guys have
Speaker 1: worked at all during this period, but it's like you
Speaker 1: have to wear masks on the set and it's just,
Speaker 1: you know, it's not fun, but at least it's worth doing.
Speaker 1: It's worth doing. It's not fun, yeah, of course. Yeah. Yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: So which eisode? How many episodes have you done on
Speaker 1: the podcast? Now? This is our spring dance, so it's
Speaker 1: twenty one. You really have one more. Every episode we've
Speaker 1: done since the beginning of the show. It's fun for us.
Speaker 1: We're just reliving it. It's like it's such a gift
Speaker 1: to be able to go back and watch all of
Speaker 1: this from one. So what's your favorite show between one
Speaker 1: and now that you've seen the first season? Do you
Speaker 1: have favorites? Were ones that are surprising that you're like,
Speaker 1: I didn't realize that was so good, Or I don't
Speaker 1: realize that was so bad that happened that happened that
Speaker 1: was Yes, there was an episode that we found out
Speaker 1: that the network throughout like the weekend before everything started
Speaker 1: the Baseball one training I was training. We heard that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was like one or two episodes ago. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: they told us that it was We don't know if
Speaker 1: this is true, but we heard that this was an
Speaker 1: episode that they threw out the script about Brandon meeting
Speaker 1: a veteran and having like a whole thing with a vet. Uh,
Speaker 1: and then they had to come up with something over
Speaker 1: the weekend, and this is what they came up with,
Speaker 1: the baseball one. Yeah, it was a fun episode. It
Speaker 1: wasn't our favorite, but it felt difference a little bit.
Speaker 1: Did it feel like it was written over the weekend?
Speaker 1: Basically a little bit? A little bit. It was a
Speaker 1: little bad news bears. It didn't feel like right as much. So.
Speaker 1: Which one from the first season so far towards your favorite?
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I still it's the iconic ones. It's Sleepover,
Speaker 1: superber Parties, was slumber Party sorry, and and Spring Dance
Speaker 1: for sure. I always say my favorite was the Pilot
Speaker 1: because you do that. Oh my god. I loved everything
Speaker 1: about the Pilot, the way it looked and the way
Speaker 1: it was shot, and just it blew my mind. That
Speaker 1: I also said, look like a John Hughes movie, Like
Speaker 1: it was just perfect. Hunter director at the time directed that,
Speaker 1: And No, I thought the Pilot when I saw it
Speaker 1: was was like, this is amazing. This is so good,
Speaker 1: and I and the network was like, yeah, we'll see
Speaker 1: and I'm like, don't you guys get it? But they
Speaker 1: did eventually because I thought the pilot was like you
Speaker 1: did that was like really strong. Yeah, we hadn't seen
Speaker 1: it before, not on TV now and then, but now
Speaker 1: I like the pilot and I think this one is
Speaker 1: a close second. All right, thank you, thank you, good job,
Speaker 1: good job, thank you. Yeah, thank you for spending time
Speaker 1: with us, for doing this. Let me reiterate, for all
Speaker 1: those people out there that are there, they're listening to it,
Speaker 1: they're not watching on zoom. How gorgeous you guys look,
Speaker 1: you look amazing. Thanks, you'd be safe over there, all okay, okay,
Speaker 1: bye bye, thank you. I was super nervous. It's like
Speaker 1: talking to your creator, like the like the men that
Speaker 1: made you. It's so funny talking to him. I still
Speaker 1: revert it back in my head. I was like, careful
Speaker 1: what you say, Like I don't know, it's the creator.
Speaker 1: I'm just like daughter. He was forced to cast Like
Speaker 1: I felt that way and like I wanted to say
Speaker 1: something but I couldn't. And I'm just like God, all
Speaker 1: these years, I've wondered, was he like, oh, I have
Speaker 1: to cast her, like I'm still wondering I have to
Speaker 1: cast her. I don't think you said that's how I
Speaker 1: feel like. You know, you have to get you have
Speaker 1: to let go of that feeling. Lady, I didn't go
Speaker 1: to get What is it? They say? Cord cutting? Okay,
Speaker 1: we need to we need to extract him with me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we needed to go to like a healer in like
Speaker 1: ally or something. Okay, let's go. It sounds like a
Speaker 1: good episode. What a genuine, kind, down to earth human
Speaker 1: being with so much success, so humble mm hmm. He
Speaker 1: doesn't have to be humble, he's a genius, but he is.
Speaker 1: But he was great and and so um. It's so
Speaker 1: great to have his perspective too, because we were so
Speaker 1: young and green at that moment and we didn't know
Speaker 1: what was happening, and we were just on the set
Speaker 1: doing the work and he was back there, you know,
Speaker 1: with the strings, the puppeteer. He was making it, making
Speaker 1: it all up. What a mind. I love it. It's
Speaker 1: funny when he said that he was excited for the crane,
Speaker 1: because that was like a yeah, yeah, for sure, his
Speaker 1: first episode directing. I wonder I didn't ask him, but
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask him if he had gone on
Speaker 1: to direct more shows or direct on his other shows.
Speaker 1: I wanted to know, but I didn't have time. Well,
Speaker 1: when when we joined him in Paris, we'll ask him.
Speaker 1: All right, yes, he's booking the tickets, right, Oh is
Speaker 1: he okay? I think so? Yeah? Like insight as to
Speaker 1: have their starting production for Emily in Pairs season two.
Speaker 1: I don't even think that info is out yet, so
Speaker 1: people will be season three or season two mm hmm.
Speaker 1: But that's it for today. That's it for this episode,
Speaker 1: you guys, so we should we should wrap it up,
Speaker 1: I say, speaking of wrapping it up. Rap party, Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: wrap good one. Nice tie says, Let's see how you
Speaker 1: did that? Are big Rap Party is coming up in
Speaker 1: two weeks. What's the date on that tour? That'll be
Speaker 1: on April at five pm Pacific Standard time eight p
Speaker 1: m Eastern Standard time, and you can join us for
Speaker 1: our live rap party. Yeah, come hang out. We have
Speaker 1: to really try to make it like a rat party.
Speaker 1: I don't know how we're going to pull that off,
Speaker 1: but we gotta. We got a brainstorm. You can get
Speaker 1: your tickets on location live dot com slash nine o
Speaker 1: two one zero. Well, I'll just make it like our
Speaker 1: original rap party, and I'll get drunk and puke and
Speaker 1: you hold my hair, get wasted and throw up in
Speaker 1: a garbage again somewhere, and then it'll be like about
Speaker 1: party here you got beforehand, colassie or classy gals? All Right,
Speaker 1: you guys think so much for joining us this week? Uh?
Speaker 1: Next week coming up is the season finale of season one,
Speaker 1: which is very excited, exciting episode twenty two Home Again,
Speaker 1: so everybody watch in the whole season. Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 1: It's been so much fun. But I'll save that for
Speaker 1: next week. Okay, see you next week, you guys, Love
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