WEBVTT - The Devil's Coming to Get Me 0:00:01.240 --> 0:00:05.040 Welcome to Haunted Road, a production of iHeartRadio and Grim 0:00:05.080 --> 0:00:06.560 and Mild from Aaron Minky. 0:00:07.200 --> 0:00:08.920 Listener discretion is advised. 0:00:11.080 --> 0:00:14.440 The very first episode of this podcast covered a haunting 0:00:14.480 --> 0:00:18.040 that I find to be very emotional and traumatic. It's 0:00:18.079 --> 0:00:21.919 one I feel close to, even though there's absolutely nothing 0:00:22.000 --> 0:00:25.239 about it that connects me to it other than emotion. 0:00:25.920 --> 0:00:29.159 I'm talking about the Veliska House where, in June of 0:00:29.280 --> 0:00:33.080 nineteen twelve, eight people were brutally killed with an axe 0:00:33.200 --> 0:00:37.680 as they slept, two parents, their four children, and two 0:00:37.720 --> 0:00:41.920 other children who had been sleeping over. I've investigated the 0:00:41.920 --> 0:00:45.879 house a few times, and it's incredibly hard to reconcile 0:00:45.960 --> 0:00:49.280 what happened there and the fact no one was ever 0:00:49.320 --> 0:00:53.000 held accountable for the crimes. But along with the haunting 0:00:53.080 --> 0:00:56.600 that exists there now and the fascination with the true 0:00:56.640 --> 0:01:00.520 crime element, there are many theories that the murder made 0:01:00.560 --> 0:01:03.920 a few stops on their journey to Veliska, and even 0:01:04.040 --> 0:01:08.800 some evidence suggesting it wasn't his only axe murder. That 0:01:08.959 --> 0:01:12.880 being said, there is a building also in Iowa that 0:01:13.080 --> 0:01:16.800 many feel has some sort of connection to the Velliska murders, 0:01:17.160 --> 0:01:19.560 though it has seen plenty of death in trauma and 0:01:19.600 --> 0:01:23.840 its own right. This large home, now called Malvern Manor, 0:01:24.160 --> 0:01:27.800 sits just thirty eight miles from Velliska and has some 0:01:28.080 --> 0:01:32.280 very interesting stories to tell. Let's pay a visit, shall we. 0:01:33.640 --> 0:01:40.160 I'm Amy Bruney and this is Haunted Road. The small 0:01:40.200 --> 0:01:44.080 town of Malvern, Iowa can seem like the embodiment of 0:01:44.240 --> 0:01:48.080 rural heartland life. In fact, in The Devil's Coming to 0:01:48.120 --> 0:01:51.160 Get Me The Haunting of Malvern Manor by Richard Estep, 0:01:51.520 --> 0:01:56.160 the community is described as a classic American small town. 0:01:56.640 --> 0:01:59.720 For the past one hundred and fifty years, its population 0:01:59.760 --> 0:02:02.960 had held fairly steady, around one thousand people or so, 0:02:03.320 --> 0:02:06.520 give or take a few hundred in either direction, and 0:02:06.600 --> 0:02:11.160 perched in the outskirts of Malvern's downtown neighborhood. One strange 0:02:11.200 --> 0:02:13.720 old home looks like a child took a bunch of 0:02:13.720 --> 0:02:18.160 pieces from different toy houses and wedged them together into one. 0:02:18.200 --> 0:02:21.800 The ten thousand square foot structure is two stories tall, 0:02:22.280 --> 0:02:25.320 not counting the basement in attic It has a peaked 0:02:25.360 --> 0:02:29.040 roof on one side, which abuts more industrial looking blocky 0:02:29.080 --> 0:02:33.120 wings on the other side. Its twenty eight interior rooms 0:02:33.200 --> 0:02:37.600 feature abandoned furniture before it grew worn and began peeling. 0:02:37.919 --> 0:02:41.720 The floral wallpaper may have once been cheerful, but it's 0:02:41.760 --> 0:02:46.440 hard to imagine the winding, narrow hallways and unfinished smokescuarred 0:02:46.480 --> 0:02:51.160 attic feeling anything but ominous. The reason the structure Malvern 0:02:51.240 --> 0:02:55.080 Manor looks so haphazard is because it has grown in 0:02:55.240 --> 0:02:58.680 fits and starts, with many new additions over the course 0:02:58.720 --> 0:03:02.760 of its existence. It was originally built in the nineteenth 0:03:02.760 --> 0:03:06.799 century as a home for lumber magnate Isaac b Ringland. 0:03:07.240 --> 0:03:10.000 He and his family lived there until their deaths, at 0:03:10.000 --> 0:03:12.560 which point it was sold to a hotel year named 0:03:12.639 --> 0:03:16.880 Julia Betts. After she acquired the home in eighteen ninety, 0:03:17.160 --> 0:03:19.960 she spent a year or so renovating and expanding the 0:03:19.960 --> 0:03:24.560 building to transform it into an inn. According to reporting 0:03:24.680 --> 0:03:27.600 in The Malvern Leader, at some point during this round 0:03:27.639 --> 0:03:31.720 of construction, workers unearthed a Bible inside a cornice molding. 0:03:32.200 --> 0:03:34.840 It's unclear how the book ended up there, but the 0:03:34.840 --> 0:03:38.760 Paranormal Warehouse website suggested this may have been evidence of 0:03:38.800 --> 0:03:41.720 an earlier Masonic ritual from the time the building was 0:03:41.760 --> 0:03:45.920 first erected. This didn't slow the renovations, and in eighteen 0:03:46.000 --> 0:03:49.600 ninety one, the business opened its doors, then called the 0:03:49.600 --> 0:03:53.120 Cottage Hotel. The inn didn't just host travelers for the night. 0:03:53.480 --> 0:03:55.960 It was also a social hub and the site of 0:03:56.080 --> 0:04:01.280 numerous weddings and funerals. Although Malvern was still a rural community, 0:04:01.520 --> 0:04:04.960 the Cottage Hotel was at least the town's fourth lodging house. 0:04:05.400 --> 0:04:08.440 This was because Malvern sat near a major railway, and 0:04:08.600 --> 0:04:11.920 travelers would stop there for the night during long train journeys. 0:04:12.520 --> 0:04:16.440 Nancy Hendrix wrote in Haunted Histories in America that the 0:04:16.480 --> 0:04:21.279 manner specifically courted traveling salesmen for their client base. We 0:04:21.320 --> 0:04:24.080 can only imagine how many people spent the night there 0:04:24.120 --> 0:04:29.359 over the years. According to some speculation, one particularly notorious 0:04:29.400 --> 0:04:32.360 individual stopped at the Cottage in for the night, the 0:04:32.480 --> 0:04:37.160 unidentified killer who committed the Veliska ex murders. The unsolved 0:04:37.240 --> 0:04:41.280 multiple homicide happened in June nineteen twelve when an unknown 0:04:41.360 --> 0:04:45.919 perpetrator slaughtered an entire family in Velliska, Iowa, which is 0:04:46.000 --> 0:04:49.320 about forty miles from Malvern. Now, as we don't even 0:04:49.320 --> 0:04:52.320 know their identity, there is no record or proof that 0:04:52.400 --> 0:04:54.880 the killer ever set foot in the town of Malvern 0:04:55.000 --> 0:04:59.080 or the Cottage hotel, but it's possible investigators believe the 0:04:59.160 --> 0:05:02.000 murderer took the t so the lodging would have been 0:05:02.040 --> 0:05:05.200 a reasonable place to stop for the night. Today, the 0:05:05.240 --> 0:05:08.479 site of the Veliska Axe Murders employs Johnny Hauser, friend 0:05:08.480 --> 0:05:12.240 of the show, as a caretaker. Johnny claims he's somehow 0:05:12.360 --> 0:05:15.160 drawn to the Malvern manner, and he sees this as 0:05:15.240 --> 0:05:19.080 evidence that the two houses are connected. As reported by 0:05:19.160 --> 0:05:23.159 Richard Estep, Hauser has also alleged that a large quartz 0:05:23.279 --> 0:05:27.839 vein runs between the homes, supernaturally linking them. While we 0:05:27.920 --> 0:05:31.480 can't verify any formal connection between the Malvern manner and 0:05:31.520 --> 0:05:35.360 the multiple homicide, it's possible the killer contributed to some 0:05:35.440 --> 0:05:38.640 of the eerie energy that seems to permeate the grounds 0:05:40.440 --> 0:05:45.120 Throughout the early nineteen hundreds. The hotel changed ownership numerous times. 0:05:45.520 --> 0:05:50.159 During that period. It also underwent numerous renovations and expansions, 0:05:50.200 --> 0:05:53.960 creating that patch together esthetic I referenced earlier in an 0:05:54.080 --> 0:05:57.640 article A Brief History of the Malvern, John D. Paddock 0:05:57.760 --> 0:06:01.280 speculated the hotel might have been suffering from bad luck 0:06:01.360 --> 0:06:05.760 due to Whodo. Regardless, in nineteen fifty six, the facility 0:06:05.839 --> 0:06:09.200 stopped operating as a lodging and was converted into a 0:06:09.320 --> 0:06:12.880 nursing home, but it wasn't much more successful now than 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:15.800 it had been as a hotel. While the residents were 0:06:15.800 --> 0:06:20.000 initially pleased with the clean, well maintained facility, it soon 0:06:20.080 --> 0:06:23.160 had to be shut down when government officials discovered the 0:06:23.200 --> 0:06:26.560 hallways were too narrow to wheel beds down them. In 0:06:26.640 --> 0:06:30.719 June nineteen seventy six, the manner transformed once again, this 0:06:30.920 --> 0:06:35.000 time to a hospital for people with physical and mental disabilities. 0:06:35.240 --> 0:06:38.560 Reporting in a local newspaper suggested the staff went to 0:06:38.680 --> 0:06:42.280 great lengths to make patients feel safe and comfortable. One 0:06:42.279 --> 0:06:46.200 client described how they dined, worshiped, and explored their hobbies 0:06:46.200 --> 0:06:49.919 with the other residents, forming a makeshift family. The Devil's 0:06:49.920 --> 0:06:52.320 Coming to Get Me The Haunting of Malvern Manor by 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:56.680 Richard Estep, tells a different story. In this book, Richard 0:06:56.800 --> 0:07:00.000 discussed one resident who was said to be highly aggressive 0:07:00.240 --> 0:07:03.640 and murdered at least two people. He chased staffers down 0:07:03.680 --> 0:07:06.640 the hall when they were performing checks, and many employees 0:07:06.680 --> 0:07:10.000 were afraid to interact with him at all. They'd refuse 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:12.560 to help him dress or put his shoes on in 0:07:12.600 --> 0:07:16.800 the morning. There are also accounts which are unverified, of 0:07:16.880 --> 0:07:20.120 another patient named Grace, who stayed in a room on 0:07:20.160 --> 0:07:25.320 the first floor. Rumors suggests she suffered from multiple personality disorder. 0:07:25.960 --> 0:07:29.600 The American Haunting's Ghost Hunts web page titled Night at 0:07:29.600 --> 0:07:33.480 the Milevern Manor discussed how staffers would often walk by 0:07:33.520 --> 0:07:36.480 Grace's room late in the evening. They'd hear a man's 0:07:36.560 --> 0:07:40.400 voice repeating the Devil's coming to get me, The devils 0:07:40.520 --> 0:07:43.520 coming to get me. When these employees would open the 0:07:43.560 --> 0:07:47.800 door to investigate, they'd find Grace alone, speaking in the 0:07:47.880 --> 0:07:52.760 deep male voice to herself. While the residents sought treatment 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:56.760 at the hospital, history repeated itself once more. The state 0:07:56.840 --> 0:08:00.000 had to intervene and shut the business down. This time 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:02.920 it was because, as Clark Kaufman wrote for the Des 0:08:02.960 --> 0:08:08.400 Moines Register, the structure's electrical system wasn't up to code. Additionally, 0:08:08.680 --> 0:08:12.560 they weren't maintaining the proper records on their employees or patients, 0:08:12.800 --> 0:08:17.080 adhering to food safety and preparation procedures, or taking proper 0:08:17.120 --> 0:08:21.560 steps to prevent outbreaks and spread of infectious disease. In 0:08:21.600 --> 0:08:26.240 two thousand and four, the hospital was shuttered. Afterward, the 0:08:26.280 --> 0:08:30.119 Malvern Manors spent one year as another care facility called 0:08:30.120 --> 0:08:34.800 the Heritage House before it was finally condemned for good. 0:08:35.280 --> 0:08:38.760 Today the building belongs to private owners with an interest 0:08:38.760 --> 0:08:42.240 in the paranormal. They gave the facility its current name, 0:08:42.520 --> 0:08:45.880 Malvern Manor, and they host haunted tours on the premises 0:08:45.960 --> 0:08:50.800 because supposedly it's a hub for supernatural activities. It's been 0:08:50.920 --> 0:08:53.880 estimated that roughly one hundred people have died in the 0:08:53.880 --> 0:08:57.559 building since its construction, so it's almost to be expected 0:08:57.600 --> 0:09:01.680 that the house has halways echo with disembard moans, footsteps, 0:09:01.720 --> 0:09:05.760 and voices. Visitors say they hear heavy dragging sounds like 0:09:05.840 --> 0:09:09.960 someone unseen as moving furniture around. Others have seen balls 0:09:10.080 --> 0:09:14.000 roll or rocking chair shift without being pushed. Partial shadow 0:09:14.040 --> 0:09:18.040 figures sometimes appear, and guests should expect to be touched 0:09:18.240 --> 0:09:22.000 or groped as they pass through the house. Many have 0:09:22.080 --> 0:09:25.840 pointed at one possible source for all these disturbances in 0:09:25.920 --> 0:09:29.520 the house. A display case holds a doll named Rose, 0:09:29.800 --> 0:09:34.000 who is said to be haunted. Reportedly, Rose often moves 0:09:34.000 --> 0:09:38.360 around on her own. Some speculate that Rose's influence extends 0:09:38.400 --> 0:09:42.240 beyond her enclosed case and she can cause disturbances throughout 0:09:42.280 --> 0:09:46.559 the house, particularly on the second floor. Rose has been 0:09:46.559 --> 0:09:51.600 linked to another spirit called Number One. Richard Estep highlighted 0:09:51.640 --> 0:09:54.680 this connection in the text in his book. He also 0:09:54.760 --> 0:09:57.960 reported that Number One has a deep male voice when 0:09:58.040 --> 0:10:02.560 he speaks and growls a aggressively at visitors. But Rose 0:10:02.600 --> 0:10:05.400 and Number One don't seem to be responsible for everything 0:10:05.440 --> 0:10:09.360 that happens at Malvern Manor. The still unidentified perpetrator of 0:10:09.400 --> 0:10:13.479 the Veleska axe murders has reportedly made contact with investigators 0:10:13.520 --> 0:10:16.679 at the Manor, and earlier I discussed one former patient 0:10:16.760 --> 0:10:19.679 from when the building operated as a mental health facility, 0:10:20.080 --> 0:10:23.320 the man who chased terrified staffers in the halls. His 0:10:23.480 --> 0:10:26.959 six foot seven inch specter still appears in the second 0:10:27.040 --> 0:10:30.680 floor hallways, charging at guests the same way he bore 0:10:30.760 --> 0:10:35.040 down on employees so many years ago. Visitors have also 0:10:35.160 --> 0:10:39.800 reported instances associated with Grace, the woman who allegedly spoke 0:10:39.840 --> 0:10:42.280 in a deep male voice while alone late at night 0:10:42.320 --> 0:10:45.920 in her room. At times, the overwhelming sour scent of 0:10:46.120 --> 0:10:50.160 urine will fill her former chambers. In room seven, A 0:10:50.280 --> 0:10:54.040 spectral spirit screams in terror, believing her family left her 0:10:54.200 --> 0:10:58.120 unloved and forgotten at the facility, and another ghost in 0:10:58.160 --> 0:11:01.240 the lobby has been identified as had Harry, who lived 0:11:01.240 --> 0:11:04.040 at the manor when it was a nursing home. Richard 0:11:04.160 --> 0:11:07.560 Estep reports that Harry was wheelchair bound in life and 0:11:07.679 --> 0:11:11.440 enjoyed humming along and whistling to the radio. Today he'll 0:11:11.480 --> 0:11:16.200 push seemingly empty wheelchairs around, still whistling and humming all 0:11:16.240 --> 0:11:21.719 the while. Particularly dark energy seemed to permeate rooms seventeen 0:11:21.800 --> 0:11:25.280 and eighteen. It's hard to say exactly what happened there 0:11:25.360 --> 0:11:29.079 as reports are contradictory. It said that while Malvern Manor 0:11:29.240 --> 0:11:32.600 operated as a mental health facility, two men lived in 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:36.680 the side by side rooms. Reportedly, late at night after 0:11:36.800 --> 0:11:39.880 checks were complete, the man in Room eighteen would slip 0:11:39.920 --> 0:11:44.000 into Room seventeen and possibly sexually assault the other resident. 0:11:44.720 --> 0:11:48.960 But in an interview with Richard Estep, paranormal investigator Dustin 0:11:49.120 --> 0:11:52.600 Perry said he connected with the spirit that still remains 0:11:52.600 --> 0:11:55.640 in Room seventeen. When he asked about the abuse, the 0:11:55.679 --> 0:12:01.280 spirit told him that never happened. I loved him. Visitors 0:12:01.280 --> 0:12:04.000 have also seen the spirit of a young girl lurking 0:12:04.040 --> 0:12:08.679 in the house, particularly in one second floor room. Investigators 0:12:08.679 --> 0:12:12.800 have captured audio of the phantom introducing herself as Inez 0:12:13.040 --> 0:12:17.920 Gibson now Ainas Gibson is a real, historically documented person, 0:12:18.200 --> 0:12:21.199 a Malvern local who died at the tender age of twelve. 0:12:21.720 --> 0:12:24.760 She was the adopted daughter of a grocer who took 0:12:24.760 --> 0:12:27.640 her in after her mother and father divorced and neither 0:12:27.720 --> 0:12:30.880 parent was willing or able to care for her. In 0:12:30.960 --> 0:12:36.040 December nineteen ninety, Ainez tragically died allegedly just before she 0:12:36.160 --> 0:12:38.840 was supposed to move back in with her birth mother. 0:12:39.600 --> 0:12:43.120 While her demise was initially believed to be a suicide, 0:12:43.400 --> 0:12:48.319 further investigation revealed it was actually a horrific freak accident. 0:12:49.240 --> 0:12:52.199 The Daily Non Parell described the deadly incident in an 0:12:52.280 --> 0:12:57.360 article titled was Not a Suicide. Reportedly, Inez wrapped her 0:12:57.480 --> 0:13:00.480 jump rope around her neck before digging through her closet 0:13:00.559 --> 0:13:03.200 for some gifts she'd bought to give away on Christmas. 0:13:03.880 --> 0:13:06.960 Somehow the jump rope got on a clothing hook it 0:13:07.040 --> 0:13:11.000 tightened around her neck, forming a makeshift noose and strangling her. 0:13:11.800 --> 0:13:14.960 Now to be very clear, Inez did not pass away 0:13:15.000 --> 0:13:18.319 at Malvern Manor, but at her house a short distance away, 0:13:18.800 --> 0:13:22.720 but according to some speculation, After her house was demolished, 0:13:22.840 --> 0:13:26.120 her spirit sought a new home, one that was already 0:13:26.160 --> 0:13:29.080 full of other ghosts to keep her company, and so 0:13:29.320 --> 0:13:33.280 she ended up at the Manor. Another explanation is that 0:13:33.360 --> 0:13:38.080 some other spirit is impersonating Inez Or. Perhaps visitors to 0:13:38.120 --> 0:13:42.120 the Manor have essentially manifested the spirit they expected to 0:13:42.160 --> 0:13:45.000 interact with the little girl named Ainez, and the power 0:13:45.000 --> 0:13:50.679 of that anticipation actually brought this entity into existence. But ultimately, 0:13:51.120 --> 0:13:54.160 it's almost impossible to guess where a spirit came from 0:13:54.240 --> 0:13:57.280 or what it wants. Now, that's true in any haunted location, 0:13:57.480 --> 0:14:01.720 but particularly in Malvern Manor. Throughout its history, the structure 0:14:01.760 --> 0:14:05.400 has been locked in a cycle of new beginnings and condemnations, 0:14:05.800 --> 0:14:09.320 followed by even more fresh starts. It's hard to pinpoint 0:14:09.320 --> 0:14:12.719 where the facility story begins or ends, let alone the 0:14:12.800 --> 0:14:15.640 narratives of those who now linger in its halls. But 0:14:15.800 --> 0:14:18.720 up next, we'll chat with Josh Heard. He is a 0:14:18.720 --> 0:14:22.320 co owner of Malvern Manor, and he'll explain why destiny 0:14:22.400 --> 0:14:25.480 brought him there, and he'll also dive into the many 0:14:25.680 --> 0:14:29.600 haunting experiences he's had there over the years. That's coming 0:14:29.680 --> 0:14:40.760 up after the break. All right, So I am now 0:14:40.880 --> 0:14:44.320 joined by Josh Hurd, who is one of the co 0:14:44.440 --> 0:14:48.440 owners of Malvern manor really not anyone more perfect to 0:14:48.480 --> 0:14:50.560 speak with about this, so welcome to the program. 0:14:50.640 --> 0:14:53.200 Josh, oh, thank you so much for having me, of. 0:14:53.200 --> 0:14:55.440 Course, And how did you get involved with Malvern? 0:14:56.080 --> 0:14:59.400 You know, it's weird, Like I was, actually I had 0:14:59.440 --> 0:15:02.640 no idea that this building existed. I was actually filming 0:15:02.680 --> 0:15:08.240 a documentary across the street at this really cool restaurant 0:15:08.720 --> 0:15:11.200 called the Classic Cafe, and they have their own slew 0:15:11.240 --> 0:15:13.280 of paranormal happenings and they were kind enough to say, 0:15:13.280 --> 0:15:16.440 bring your cameras, do all that fun stuff. And we 0:15:16.480 --> 0:15:18.040 went over there and I didn't realize there was a 0:15:18.080 --> 0:15:21.000 bar that's attached to the Classic Cafe. It was a 0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:23.560 Friday evening, and apparently it had been a pretty rough week 0:15:23.600 --> 0:15:26.480 for a lot of people because they were very loud 0:15:26.680 --> 0:15:30.440 and boisterous. But we really couldn't investigate at all and 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:33.840 give it really a fair shake, just from noise contamination 0:15:33.960 --> 0:15:36.160 and all that. So I went outside and I met 0:15:36.160 --> 0:15:39.800 this guy who was like, what's with all the cameras, dude, 0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:44.880 And I told him what we were doing, and oh 0:15:44.880 --> 0:15:46.720 my god, this guy's going to think I'm crazy, you 0:15:46.760 --> 0:15:48.120 know what I mean. But he was like, oh, that's 0:15:48.200 --> 0:15:51.000 kind of cool. He goes, I really don't believe in 0:15:51.040 --> 0:15:53.920 this stuff. However, He's like, I got this building and 0:15:53.960 --> 0:15:56.960 it used to be, you know, basically a hotel, and 0:15:56.960 --> 0:16:00.000 then it was a group home or a nursing home 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:02.160 and then like a group home for mentally handicapped people, 0:16:02.160 --> 0:16:04.360 all that stuff. And he's like, yeah, the place is 0:16:04.400 --> 0:16:07.000 like ten thousand square feet. I'm like, where is this place? 0:16:07.040 --> 0:16:10.240 And he's like, right there across the street. I'm like, wow, 0:16:10.440 --> 0:16:12.720 pretty sure. We just became best friends, you know. I'm like, 0:16:12.800 --> 0:16:17.000 hey man, he let us in, and I mean we 0:16:17.080 --> 0:16:19.280 had more happened to us in the first two hours 0:16:19.320 --> 0:16:21.600 than we had in the last two years. So it 0:16:21.680 --> 0:16:27.840 was it was absolutely mind boggling, like what was happening. 0:16:27.840 --> 0:16:29.520 And I'm like, I don't think you realize what you 0:16:29.680 --> 0:16:33.040 have here, you know what I mean. And so it 0:16:33.120 --> 0:16:35.120 was that point that I was like kind of talked 0:16:35.160 --> 0:16:38.680 him into opening the doors to the public because the 0:16:38.720 --> 0:16:42.720 building was just sitting here completely vacant, right, and so yeah, 0:16:42.800 --> 0:16:45.240 and now we're lucky enough to keep the building doing 0:16:45.320 --> 0:16:45.960 what it's doing. 0:16:46.360 --> 0:16:48.160 Yeah, that's great. I mean, it is kind of one 0:16:48.200 --> 0:16:52.440 of those situations where it seems like the paranormal kind 0:16:52.480 --> 0:16:54.840 of keeps history alive, you know, And I really like 0:16:54.920 --> 0:16:58.600 that because sometimes there are these buildings, especially kind of 0:16:58.680 --> 0:17:02.640 in the Midwest, where if someone wasn't looking for ghosts 0:17:02.640 --> 0:17:04.760 in them, there probably wouldn't be a whole lot else 0:17:04.800 --> 0:17:07.560 happening inside of them, if that makes sense. And so, 0:17:08.800 --> 0:17:11.440 you know, weirdly you breathe new life into it, which 0:17:11.480 --> 0:17:14.679 I really like. The history to me is fascinating. We 0:17:14.760 --> 0:17:17.280 cover that in the first half, but you know, I 0:17:17.320 --> 0:17:20.879 can't imagine you know, having those experiences so quickly and 0:17:20.880 --> 0:17:23.000 then convincing him to open the doors to going on 0:17:23.160 --> 0:17:25.919 to be you know, part owner of the location. Has 0:17:25.960 --> 0:17:28.760 this place just kind of become like your life in 0:17:28.760 --> 0:17:29.240 some ways? 0:17:29.520 --> 0:17:31.399 My god? Yeah, Like I feel like I'm married to 0:17:31.440 --> 0:17:34.280 the place right Like It's one of those things where 0:17:34.320 --> 0:17:38.280 it's like, I'm I'm very similar in the respect that 0:17:38.520 --> 0:17:45.320 I really enjoy history, and when you can correlate historical 0:17:45.400 --> 0:17:48.040 fact with paranormal happenings like that, to me is the 0:17:48.040 --> 0:17:51.160 good stuff. When those two things can kind of come 0:17:51.160 --> 0:17:54.199 together and momentarily shake hands, you know, it's like Wow, 0:17:55.640 --> 0:17:59.399 very very interesting stuff. And so I became obsessed with 0:17:59.520 --> 0:18:04.400 this place more in a healthy respect. My wife may argue, 0:18:04.400 --> 0:18:08.480 I don't know, but still like it's amazing to me. 0:18:08.720 --> 0:18:11.080 Like like one of the first things that I did after, 0:18:11.160 --> 0:18:13.920 you know, acquiring this building then for ourselves, is I 0:18:13.960 --> 0:18:17.199 invited the former nursing staff back here, like walk me 0:18:17.320 --> 0:18:19.359 down memory Lane, like I wanted to know what the 0:18:19.440 --> 0:18:23.840 day to day was like here. It's fascinating stuff to me. 0:18:24.480 --> 0:18:26.960 That's a great move. I love that. You know, not 0:18:27.000 --> 0:18:29.480 a lot of people have that opportunity, which is is 0:18:30.080 --> 0:18:34.160 so that's valuable information to have when you're investigating. Now, 0:18:34.160 --> 0:18:37.040 when you first went in there, where was the moment 0:18:37.280 --> 0:18:39.600 when you were like this is something special, Like when 0:18:39.600 --> 0:18:43.600 something happened, you know, paranormally speaking, like when were you like, oh, 0:18:43.640 --> 0:18:45.480 there's something to this. You know? 0:18:45.920 --> 0:18:48.960 It was honestly, like within the first forty five minutes 0:18:49.320 --> 0:18:52.000 of getting into the building, we were upstairs on the 0:18:52.000 --> 0:18:57.320 second floor, and I remember specifically hearing footsteps coming down 0:18:57.560 --> 0:19:00.639 the hallway, which it's an old building and you're certainly 0:19:00.680 --> 0:19:04.359 going to hear footsteps coming towards you. But everybody was 0:19:04.359 --> 0:19:08.400 accounted for. Everybody was in the room, and so I'm like, well, 0:19:08.400 --> 0:19:13.480 that's interesting. But then we heard a very audible, disembodied 0:19:13.480 --> 0:19:17.280 like female voice, and it couldn't make out anything that 0:19:17.280 --> 0:19:19.560 it was saying. It almost sounded like a like a 0:19:19.600 --> 0:19:23.399 moan or a hum or something similar. But it happened twice, 0:19:23.880 --> 0:19:25.720 and I was like, what in the world is going 0:19:25.720 --> 0:19:28.480 on here? So it really left me like scratching my 0:19:28.520 --> 0:19:31.800 head because again, like, no females were present with us 0:19:31.800 --> 0:19:34.480 that night, and everybody was accounted for, so I'm like, 0:19:34.520 --> 0:19:38.840 I don't understand. There were numerous things that happened just 0:19:39.359 --> 0:19:43.560 that night that that really made me scratch my head 0:19:43.600 --> 0:19:45.800 and think, Okay, this place is something special. 0:19:46.040 --> 0:19:48.440 You know, do you think that most of the activity 0:19:48.440 --> 0:19:51.440 there seems to be kind of more on the intelligent 0:19:51.560 --> 0:19:54.639 side or do you think it's a lot of residual activity. 0:19:55.040 --> 0:19:58.000 I would say there's a fair amount of both going on. 0:20:00.240 --> 0:20:03.560 A lot of what I seem to capture does seem 0:20:03.600 --> 0:20:06.440 to have some form of intelligence to it. It's answering 0:20:06.520 --> 0:20:10.560 questions and things like that. Then there are other times 0:20:10.760 --> 0:20:14.919 where it's almost as if and I don't even know 0:20:14.920 --> 0:20:17.400 how this is possible, if it is something that's intelligent, 0:20:17.480 --> 0:20:19.560 I don't know, maybe they just think I'm a resident, 0:20:19.640 --> 0:20:22.160 but that I've been told numerous times to get back 0:20:22.200 --> 0:20:23.399 in my room. 0:20:23.840 --> 0:20:24.879 Strange now, Mike. 0:20:24.960 --> 0:20:27.000 So if I'm walking around in the middle of the night, 0:20:27.280 --> 0:20:29.440 you know, and it's like get back to your room, 0:20:29.520 --> 0:20:32.320 it's like, oh, you think I'm I'm a patient here. 0:20:32.800 --> 0:20:36.119 Yeah, So they know they're like, you're up and about 0:20:36.119 --> 0:20:38.240 when you are not supposed to be, and you're either 0:20:38.320 --> 0:20:41.040 getting in trouble or someone's looking out for you. Both 0:20:41.240 --> 0:20:42.959 very interesting, I think so too. 0:20:43.040 --> 0:20:45.639 So I'm like, gosh, is this something that's intelligent or 0:20:45.640 --> 0:20:48.480 something that's residual, or is it somehow a mixture of both, 0:20:48.560 --> 0:20:49.960 Like I have no idea. 0:20:50.200 --> 0:20:54.320 Have you been able to kind of verify activity and 0:20:54.440 --> 0:20:57.919 link it to people who were, you know, who lived 0:20:58.000 --> 0:20:59.600 in that location at some point? 0:21:00.280 --> 0:21:03.800 Definitely, And that was one of the biggest things of 0:21:03.880 --> 0:21:07.600 why I wanted to invite some of that former nursing 0:21:07.640 --> 0:21:10.760 staff back, is to see if we could correlate specific 0:21:10.960 --> 0:21:15.040 names without giving them any information whatsoever. Just again walk 0:21:15.119 --> 0:21:18.040 me down memory lane. And it was fascinating. One of 0:21:18.040 --> 0:21:21.160 the first rooms that we came to, we had been 0:21:21.160 --> 0:21:25.680 getting the name of this woman calling herself Gracie. I'm like, oh, 0:21:25.680 --> 0:21:27.240 that's a pretty name, you know, all that stuff, And 0:21:27.240 --> 0:21:31.280 I would go into Gracie's room often, and it wasn't 0:21:31.280 --> 0:21:34.359 then until we had that group of nurses kind of 0:21:34.400 --> 0:21:36.600 walking with us. They're like, and this over here was 0:21:36.640 --> 0:21:39.399 Grace's room, or Gracie's room as she liked to be called. 0:21:39.400 --> 0:21:42.520 But now Gracie was also she had schizophrenia, but she 0:21:42.560 --> 0:21:44.879 also had the idea or what they used to refer 0:21:44.920 --> 0:21:50.480 to as multiple personalities, So Gracie had a lot going on. 0:21:50.480 --> 0:21:53.280 One evening in particular, three nurses sat with Gracie for 0:21:53.320 --> 0:21:58.000 an hour and documented thirteen separate distinguishable personalities, which is 0:21:58.359 --> 0:22:01.240 I mean almost medically un of like the wheelhouse is 0:22:01.240 --> 0:22:04.920 like two to five, so it's certainly tipping the scales. 0:22:06.240 --> 0:22:08.840 But that fascinated me because I was like, I'm sorry, what, like, 0:22:08.920 --> 0:22:11.320 say again, what what was her name? Because that's the 0:22:11.400 --> 0:22:12.040 name we're. 0:22:11.880 --> 0:22:16.280 Getting now when you interact with Gracie, do you feel 0:22:16.320 --> 0:22:19.560 like she's taken that with her, like that kind of 0:22:20.040 --> 0:22:22.960 personality disorder for lack of a better term, you think 0:22:22.960 --> 0:22:25.879 that that is showing itself in the afterlife, or do 0:22:25.920 --> 0:22:28.800 you think she's like whole and healthy and herself. 0:22:29.119 --> 0:22:32.159 See, that's the way I want to imagine her in 0:22:32.200 --> 0:22:36.840 her afterlife. I can't imagine taking something like that with us, right, 0:22:36.840 --> 0:22:41.800 because it's a horrifying thought. But so every time that 0:22:41.840 --> 0:22:44.360 I've seemed to have an interaction with her, it has 0:22:44.400 --> 0:22:47.600 been her. I will say that. Now. I will also 0:22:47.720 --> 0:22:51.760 say that I've had numerous conversations with friends, you know, 0:22:51.800 --> 0:22:55.280 those weird late night conversations where you've had one too 0:22:55.320 --> 0:22:58.680 many glasses of wine. Had a few of those, Yeah, 0:22:58.720 --> 0:23:00.600 and you go down rabbit holes, right, I mean, that's 0:23:00.640 --> 0:23:03.199 what happens. But numerous times we've talked and we're like, 0:23:03.240 --> 0:23:08.280 my god, like, what if those personalities do transfer on 0:23:09.240 --> 0:23:11.760 to the next life or what have you. It's like, 0:23:11.920 --> 0:23:14.760 what if Gracie is just the antecedent of the haunting? 0:23:14.800 --> 0:23:17.280 What if she's haunting this place and it's just an 0:23:17.320 --> 0:23:20.240 offshoot of different personalities and things like that, which is 0:23:20.280 --> 0:23:23.639 also a terrifying thought to entertain. 0:23:23.560 --> 0:23:25.639 Right, And then it also makes you wonder like where 0:23:25.680 --> 0:23:28.320 does that actually come from? Is that our brain or 0:23:28.440 --> 0:23:30.600 is it our psyche? Is it our soul? You know, 0:23:30.640 --> 0:23:33.080 I don't know. It does raise a lot of questions 0:23:33.200 --> 0:23:36.880 but now when you had the staff there, did they 0:23:36.960 --> 0:23:40.480 ever claim that they had experiences when it was operating? 0:23:40.840 --> 0:23:45.440 Absolutely, which I also found fascinating because they like, oh, 0:23:45.480 --> 0:23:48.439 They're like, gosh, this feels just like before. What do 0:23:48.480 --> 0:23:50.320 you mean by that? They're like, it just feels like 0:23:50.440 --> 0:23:54.000