1 00:00:01,240 --> 00:00:05,040 Speaker 1: Welcome to Haunted Road, a production of iHeartRadio and Grim 2 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 1: and Mild from Aaron Minky. 3 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 2: Listener discretion is advised. 4 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: The very first episode of this podcast covered a haunting 5 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: that I find to be very emotional and traumatic. It's 6 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:21,919 Speaker 1: one I feel close to, even though there's absolutely nothing 7 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 1: about it that connects me to it other than emotion. 8 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:29,159 Speaker 1: I'm talking about the Veliska House where, in June of 9 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: nineteen twelve, eight people were brutally killed with an axe 10 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 1: as they slept, two parents, their four children, and two 11 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 1: other children who had been sleeping over. I've investigated the 12 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:45,879 Speaker 1: house a few times, and it's incredibly hard to reconcile 13 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 1: what happened there and the fact no one was ever 14 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: held accountable for the crimes. But along with the haunting 15 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 1: that exists there now and the fascination with the true 16 00:00:56,640 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 1: crime element, there are many theories that the murder made 17 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: a few stops on their journey to Veliska, and even 18 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 1: some evidence suggesting it wasn't his only axe murder. That 19 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: being said, there is a building also in Iowa that 20 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 1: many feel has some sort of connection to the Velliska murders, 21 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 1: though it has seen plenty of death in trauma and 22 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 1: its own right. This large home, now called Malvern Manor, 23 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: sits just thirty eight miles from Velliska and has some 24 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 1: very interesting stories to tell. Let's pay a visit, shall we. 25 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: I'm Amy Bruney and this is Haunted Road. The small 26 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: town of Malvern, Iowa can seem like the embodiment of 27 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: rural heartland life. In fact, in The Devil's Coming to 28 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: Get Me The Haunting of Malvern Manor by Richard Estep, 29 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 1: the community is described as a classic American small town. 30 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: For the past one hundred and fifty years, its population 31 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 1: had held fairly steady, around one thousand people or so, 32 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 1: give or take a few hundred in either direction, and 33 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 1: perched in the outskirts of Malvern's downtown neighborhood. One strange 34 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: old home looks like a child took a bunch of 35 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 1: pieces from different toy houses and wedged them together into one. 36 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 1: The ten thousand square foot structure is two stories tall, 37 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 1: not counting the basement in attic It has a peaked 38 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: roof on one side, which abuts more industrial looking blocky 39 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: wings on the other side. Its twenty eight interior rooms 40 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 1: feature abandoned furniture before it grew worn and began peeling. 41 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: The floral wallpaper may have once been cheerful, but it's 42 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 1: hard to imagine the winding, narrow hallways and unfinished smokescuarred 43 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 1: attic feeling anything but ominous. The reason the structure Malvern 44 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 1: Manor looks so haphazard is because it has grown in 45 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 1: fits and starts, with many new additions over the course 46 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 1: of its existence. It was originally built in the nineteenth 47 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:06,799 Speaker 1: century as a home for lumber magnate Isaac b Ringland. 48 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: He and his family lived there until their deaths, at 49 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: which point it was sold to a hotel year named 50 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 1: Julia Betts. After she acquired the home in eighteen ninety, 51 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 1: she spent a year or so renovating and expanding the 52 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: building to transform it into an inn. According to reporting 53 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 1: in The Malvern Leader, at some point during this round 54 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: of construction, workers unearthed a Bible inside a cornice molding. 55 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 1: It's unclear how the book ended up there, but the 56 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 1: Paranormal Warehouse website suggested this may have been evidence of 57 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 1: an earlier Masonic ritual from the time the building was 58 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: first erected. This didn't slow the renovations, and in eighteen 59 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: ninety one, the business opened its doors, then called the 60 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 1: Cottage Hotel. The inn didn't just host travelers for the night. 61 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 1: It was also a social hub and the site of 62 00:03:56,080 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 1: numerous weddings and funerals. Although Malvern was still a rural community, 63 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 1: the Cottage Hotel was at least the town's fourth lodging house. 64 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 1: This was because Malvern sat near a major railway, and 65 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 1: travelers would stop there for the night during long train journeys. 66 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 1: Nancy Hendrix wrote in Haunted Histories in America that the 67 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:21,279 Speaker 1: manner specifically courted traveling salesmen for their client base. We 68 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 1: can only imagine how many people spent the night there 69 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:29,359 Speaker 1: over the years. According to some speculation, one particularly notorious 70 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 1: individual stopped at the Cottage in for the night, the 71 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:37,160 Speaker 1: unidentified killer who committed the Veliska ex murders. The unsolved 72 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:41,280 Speaker 1: multiple homicide happened in June nineteen twelve when an unknown 73 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:45,919 Speaker 1: perpetrator slaughtered an entire family in Velliska, Iowa, which is 74 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: about forty miles from Malvern. Now, as we don't even 75 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 1: know their identity, there is no record or proof that 76 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: the killer ever set foot in the town of Malvern 77 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: or the Cottage hotel, but it's possible investigators believe the 78 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 1: murderer took the t so the lodging would have been 79 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 1: a reasonable place to stop for the night. Today, the 80 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:08,479 Speaker 1: site of the Veliska Axe Murders employs Johnny Hauser, friend 81 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 1: of the show, as a caretaker. Johnny claims he's somehow 82 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:15,160 Speaker 1: drawn to the Malvern manner, and he sees this as 83 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: evidence that the two houses are connected. As reported by 84 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:23,159 Speaker 1: Richard Estep, Hauser has also alleged that a large quartz 85 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:27,839 Speaker 1: vein runs between the homes, supernaturally linking them. While we 86 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 1: can't verify any formal connection between the Malvern manner and 87 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 1: the multiple homicide, it's possible the killer contributed to some 88 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 1: of the eerie energy that seems to permeate the grounds 89 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: Throughout the early nineteen hundreds. The hotel changed ownership numerous times. 90 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:50,159 Speaker 1: During that period. It also underwent numerous renovations and expansions, 91 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: creating that patch together esthetic I referenced earlier in an 92 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: article A Brief History of the Malvern, John D. Paddock 93 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:01,280 Speaker 1: speculated the hotel might have been suffering from bad luck 94 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 1: due to Whodo. Regardless, in nineteen fifty six, the facility 95 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 1: stopped operating as a lodging and was converted into a 96 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: nursing home, but it wasn't much more successful now than 97 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: it had been as a hotel. While the residents were 98 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 1: initially pleased with the clean, well maintained facility, it soon 99 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:23,160 Speaker 1: had to be shut down when government officials discovered the 100 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 1: hallways were too narrow to wheel beds down them. In 101 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 1: June nineteen seventy six, the manner transformed once again, this 102 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: time to a hospital for people with physical and mental disabilities. 103 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 1: Reporting in a local newspaper suggested the staff went to 104 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:42,280 Speaker 1: great lengths to make patients feel safe and comfortable. One 105 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: client described how they dined, worshiped, and explored their hobbies 106 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:49,919 Speaker 1: with the other residents, forming a makeshift family. The Devil's 107 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 1: Coming to Get Me The Haunting of Malvern Manor by 108 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 1: Richard Estep, tells a different story. In this book, Richard 109 00:06:56,800 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: discussed one resident who was said to be highly aggressive 110 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 1: and murdered at least two people. He chased staffers down 111 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 1: the hall when they were performing checks, and many employees 112 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 1: were afraid to interact with him at all. They'd refuse 113 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 1: to help him dress or put his shoes on in 114 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 1: the morning. There are also accounts which are unverified, of 115 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 1: another patient named Grace, who stayed in a room on 116 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: the first floor. Rumors suggests she suffered from multiple personality disorder. 117 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: The American Haunting's Ghost Hunts web page titled Night at 118 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: the Milevern Manor discussed how staffers would often walk by 119 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 1: Grace's room late in the evening. They'd hear a man's 120 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 1: voice repeating the Devil's coming to get me, The devils 121 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 1: coming to get me. When these employees would open the 122 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: door to investigate, they'd find Grace alone, speaking in the 123 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 1: deep male voice to herself. While the residents sought treatment 124 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: at the hospital, history repeated itself once more. The state 125 00:07:56,840 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: had to intervene and shut the business down. This time 126 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: it was because, as Clark Kaufman wrote for the Des 127 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: Moines Register, the structure's electrical system wasn't up to code. Additionally, 128 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: they weren't maintaining the proper records on their employees or patients, 129 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 1: adhering to food safety and preparation procedures, or taking proper 130 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 1: steps to prevent outbreaks and spread of infectious disease. In 131 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: two thousand and four, the hospital was shuttered. Afterward, the 132 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:30,119 Speaker 1: Malvern Manors spent one year as another care facility called 133 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 1: the Heritage House before it was finally condemned for good. 134 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: Today the building belongs to private owners with an interest 135 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 1: in the paranormal. They gave the facility its current name, 136 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: Malvern Manor, and they host haunted tours on the premises 137 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 1: because supposedly it's a hub for supernatural activities. It's been 138 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 1: estimated that roughly one hundred people have died in the 139 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:57,559 Speaker 1: building since its construction, so it's almost to be expected 140 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:01,680 Speaker 1: that the house has halways echo with disembard moans, footsteps, 141 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: and voices. Visitors say they hear heavy dragging sounds like 142 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 1: someone unseen as moving furniture around. Others have seen balls 143 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 1: roll or rocking chair shift without being pushed. Partial shadow 144 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: figures sometimes appear, and guests should expect to be touched 145 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 1: or groped as they pass through the house. Many have 146 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 1: pointed at one possible source for all these disturbances in 147 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 1: the house. A display case holds a doll named Rose, 148 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 1: who is said to be haunted. Reportedly, Rose often moves 149 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 1: around on her own. Some speculate that Rose's influence extends 150 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 1: beyond her enclosed case and she can cause disturbances throughout 151 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:46,559 Speaker 1: the house, particularly on the second floor. Rose has been 152 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 1: linked to another spirit called Number One. Richard Estep highlighted 153 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 1: this connection in the text in his book. He also 154 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:57,960 Speaker 1: reported that Number One has a deep male voice when 155 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:02,560 Speaker 1: he speaks and growls a aggressively at visitors. But Rose 156 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 1: and Number One don't seem to be responsible for everything 157 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 1: that happens at Malvern Manor. The still unidentified perpetrator of 158 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:13,479 Speaker 1: the Veleska axe murders has reportedly made contact with investigators 159 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:16,679 Speaker 1: at the Manor, and earlier I discussed one former patient 160 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:19,679 Speaker 1: from when the building operated as a mental health facility, 161 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 1: the man who chased terrified staffers in the halls. His 162 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:26,959 Speaker 1: six foot seven inch specter still appears in the second 163 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 1: floor hallways, charging at guests the same way he bore 164 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 1: down on employees so many years ago. Visitors have also 165 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 1: reported instances associated with Grace, the woman who allegedly spoke 166 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: in a deep male voice while alone late at night 167 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 1: in her room. At times, the overwhelming sour scent of 168 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 1: urine will fill her former chambers. In room seven, A 169 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 1: spectral spirit screams in terror, believing her family left her 170 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 1: unloved and forgotten at the facility, and another ghost in 171 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 1: the lobby has been identified as had Harry, who lived 172 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 1: at the manor when it was a nursing home. Richard 173 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 1: Estep reports that Harry was wheelchair bound in life and 174 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:11,440 Speaker 1: enjoyed humming along and whistling to the radio. Today he'll 175 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:16,200 Speaker 1: push seemingly empty wheelchairs around, still whistling and humming all 176 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:21,719 Speaker 1: the while. Particularly dark energy seemed to permeate rooms seventeen 177 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 1: and eighteen. It's hard to say exactly what happened there 178 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:29,079 Speaker 1: as reports are contradictory. It said that while Malvern Manor 179 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 1: operated as a mental health facility, two men lived in 180 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:36,680 Speaker 1: the side by side rooms. Reportedly, late at night after 181 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 1: checks were complete, the man in Room eighteen would slip 182 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 1: into Room seventeen and possibly sexually assault the other resident. 183 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 1: But in an interview with Richard Estep, paranormal investigator Dustin 184 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 1: Perry said he connected with the spirit that still remains 185 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 1: in Room seventeen. When he asked about the abuse, the 186 00:11:55,679 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: spirit told him that never happened. I loved him. Visitors 187 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: have also seen the spirit of a young girl lurking 188 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:08,679 Speaker 1: in the house, particularly in one second floor room. Investigators 189 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: have captured audio of the phantom introducing herself as Inez 190 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 1: Gibson now Ainas Gibson is a real, historically documented person, 191 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:21,199 Speaker 1: a Malvern local who died at the tender age of twelve. 192 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 1: She was the adopted daughter of a grocer who took 193 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 1: her in after her mother and father divorced and neither 194 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 1: parent was willing or able to care for her. In 195 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 1: December nineteen ninety, Ainez tragically died allegedly just before she 196 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:38,840 Speaker 1: was supposed to move back in with her birth mother. 197 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 1: While her demise was initially believed to be a suicide, 198 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:48,319 Speaker 1: further investigation revealed it was actually a horrific freak accident. 199 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:52,199 Speaker 1: The Daily Non Parell described the deadly incident in an 200 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 1: article titled was Not a Suicide. Reportedly, Inez wrapped her 201 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 1: jump rope around her neck before digging through her closet 202 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:03,200 Speaker 1: for some gifts she'd bought to give away on Christmas. 203 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 1: Somehow the jump rope got on a clothing hook it 204 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 1: tightened around her neck, forming a makeshift noose and strangling her. 205 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 1: Now to be very clear, Inez did not pass away 206 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:18,319 Speaker 1: at Malvern Manor, but at her house a short distance away, 207 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 1: but according to some speculation, After her house was demolished, 208 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 1: her spirit sought a new home, one that was already 209 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 1: full of other ghosts to keep her company, and so 210 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 1: she ended up at the Manor. Another explanation is that 211 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 1: some other spirit is impersonating Inez Or. Perhaps visitors to 212 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 1: the Manor have essentially manifested the spirit they expected to 213 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 1: interact with the little girl named Ainez, and the power 214 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:50,679 Speaker 1: of that anticipation actually brought this entity into existence. But ultimately, 215 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 1: it's almost impossible to guess where a spirit came from 216 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 1: or what it wants. Now, that's true in any haunted location, 217 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 1: but particularly in Malvern Manor. Throughout its history, the structure 218 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 1: has been locked in a cycle of new beginnings and condemnations, 219 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 1: followed by even more fresh starts. It's hard to pinpoint 220 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:12,719 Speaker 1: where the facility story begins or ends, let alone the 221 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 1: narratives of those who now linger in its halls. But 222 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 1: up next, we'll chat with Josh Heard. He is a 223 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 1: co owner of Malvern Manor, and he'll explain why destiny 224 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: brought him there, and he'll also dive into the many 225 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 1: haunting experiences he's had there over the years. That's coming 226 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: up after the break. All right, So I am now 227 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 1: joined by Josh Hurd, who is one of the co 228 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: owners of Malvern manor really not anyone more perfect to 229 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 1: speak with about this, so welcome to the program. 230 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 2: Josh, oh, thank you so much for having me, of. 231 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: Course, And how did you get involved with Malvern? 232 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 2: You know, it's weird, Like I was, actually I had 233 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 2: no idea that this building existed. I was actually filming 234 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 2: a documentary across the street at this really cool restaurant 235 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 2: called the Classic Cafe, and they have their own slew 236 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 2: of paranormal happenings and they were kind enough to say, 237 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 2: bring your cameras, do all that fun stuff. And we 238 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 2: went over there and I didn't realize there was a 239 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 2: bar that's attached to the Classic Cafe. It was a 240 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 2: Friday evening, and apparently it had been a pretty rough week 241 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 2: for a lot of people because they were very loud 242 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 2: and boisterous. But we really couldn't investigate at all and 243 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 2: give it really a fair shake, just from noise contamination 244 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 2: and all that. So I went outside and I met 245 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 2: this guy who was like, what's with all the cameras, dude, 246 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 2: And I told him what we were doing, and oh 247 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 2: my god, this guy's going to think I'm crazy, you 248 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 2: know what I mean. But he was like, oh, that's 249 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 2: kind of cool. He goes, I really don't believe in 250 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 2: this stuff. However, He's like, I got this building and 251 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 2: it used to be, you know, basically a hotel, and 252 00:15:56,960 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 2: then it was a group home or a nursing home 253 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 2: and then like a group home for mentally handicapped people, 254 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 2: all that stuff. And he's like, yeah, the place is 255 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 2: like ten thousand square feet. I'm like, where is this place? 256 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 2: And he's like, right there across the street. I'm like, wow, 257 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 2: pretty sure. We just became best friends, you know. I'm like, 258 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 2: hey man, he let us in, and I mean we 259 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 2: had more happened to us in the first two hours 260 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 2: than we had in the last two years. So it 261 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 2: was it was absolutely mind boggling, like what was happening. 262 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 2: And I'm like, I don't think you realize what you 263 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 2: have here, you know what I mean. And so it 264 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 2: was that point that I was like kind of talked 265 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 2: him into opening the doors to the public because the 266 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 2: building was just sitting here completely vacant, right, and so yeah, 267 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 2: and now we're lucky enough to keep the building doing 268 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 2: what it's doing. 269 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's great. I mean, it is kind of one 270 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 1: of those situations where it seems like the paranormal kind 271 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 1: of keeps history alive, you know, And I really like 272 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 1: that because sometimes there are these buildings, especially kind of 273 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 1: in the Midwest, where if someone wasn't looking for ghosts 274 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 1: in them, there probably wouldn't be a whole lot else 275 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 1: happening inside of them, if that makes sense. And so, 276 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:11,440 Speaker 1: you know, weirdly you breathe new life into it, which 277 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:14,679 Speaker 1: I really like. The history to me is fascinating. We 278 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 1: cover that in the first half, but you know, I 279 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:20,879 Speaker 1: can't imagine you know, having those experiences so quickly and 280 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 1: then convincing him to open the doors to going on 281 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:25,919 Speaker 1: to be you know, part owner of the location. Has 282 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 1: this place just kind of become like your life in 283 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 1: some ways? 284 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:31,399 Speaker 2: My god? Yeah, Like I feel like I'm married to 285 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 2: the place right Like It's one of those things where 286 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 2: it's like, I'm I'm very similar in the respect that 287 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 2: I really enjoy history, and when you can correlate historical 288 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 2: fact with paranormal happenings like that, to me is the 289 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:51,160 Speaker 2: good stuff. When those two things can kind of come 290 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:54,199 Speaker 2: together and momentarily shake hands, you know, it's like Wow, 291 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:59,399 Speaker 2: very very interesting stuff. And so I became obsessed with 292 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:04,400 Speaker 2: this place more in a healthy respect. My wife may argue, 293 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 2: I don't know, but still like it's amazing to me. 294 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 2: Like like one of the first things that I did after, 295 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:13,920 Speaker 2: you know, acquiring this building then for ourselves, is I 296 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:17,199 Speaker 2: invited the former nursing staff back here, like walk me 297 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:19,359 Speaker 2: down memory Lane, like I wanted to know what the 298 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 2: day to day was like here. It's fascinating stuff to me. 299 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 1: That's a great move. I love that. You know, not 300 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 1: a lot of people have that opportunity, which is is 301 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:34,160 Speaker 1: so that's valuable information to have when you're investigating. Now, 302 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: when you first went in there, where was the moment 303 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 1: when you were like this is something special, Like when 304 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 1: something happened, you know, paranormally speaking, like when were you like, oh, 305 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 1: there's something to this. You know? 306 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 2: It was honestly, like within the first forty five minutes 307 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 2: of getting into the building, we were upstairs on the 308 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 2: second floor, and I remember specifically hearing footsteps coming down 309 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:00,639 Speaker 2: the hallway, which it's an old building and you're certainly 310 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:04,359 Speaker 2: going to hear footsteps coming towards you. But everybody was 311 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:08,400 Speaker 2: accounted for. Everybody was in the room, and so I'm like, well, 312 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 2: that's interesting. But then we heard a very audible, disembodied 313 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 2: like female voice, and it couldn't make out anything that 314 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 2: it was saying. It almost sounded like a like a 315 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:23,399 Speaker 2: moan or a hum or something similar. But it happened twice, 316 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 2: and I was like, what in the world is going 317 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 2: on here? So it really left me like scratching my 318 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 2: head because again, like, no females were present with us 319 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 2: that night, and everybody was accounted for, so I'm like, 320 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 2: I don't understand. There were numerous things that happened just 321 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 2: that night that that really made me scratch my head 322 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 2: and think, Okay, this place is something special. 323 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:48,440 Speaker 1: You know, do you think that most of the activity 324 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:51,440 Speaker 1: there seems to be kind of more on the intelligent 325 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:54,639 Speaker 1: side or do you think it's a lot of residual activity. 326 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 2: I would say there's a fair amount of both going on. 327 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 2: A lot of what I seem to capture does seem 328 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 2: to have some form of intelligence to it. It's answering 329 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 2: questions and things like that. Then there are other times 330 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:14,919 Speaker 2: where it's almost as if and I don't even know 331 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:17,400 Speaker 2: how this is possible, if it is something that's intelligent, 332 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe they just think I'm a resident, 333 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:22,160 Speaker 2: but that I've been told numerous times to get back 334 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:23,399 Speaker 2: in my room. 335 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:24,879 Speaker 1: Strange now, Mike. 336 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 2: So if I'm walking around in the middle of the night, 337 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:29,440 Speaker 2: you know, and it's like get back to your room, 338 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 2: it's like, oh, you think I'm I'm a patient here. 339 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:36,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, So they know they're like, you're up and about 340 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 1: when you are not supposed to be, and you're either 341 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 1: getting in trouble or someone's looking out for you. Both 342 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:42,959 Speaker 1: very interesting, I think so too. 343 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:45,639 Speaker 2: So I'm like, gosh, is this something that's intelligent or 344 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 2: something that's residual, or is it somehow a mixture of both, 345 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 2: Like I have no idea. 346 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 1: Have you been able to kind of verify activity and 347 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:57,919 Speaker 1: link it to people who were, you know, who lived 348 00:20:58,000 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 1: in that location at some point? 349 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 2: Definitely, And that was one of the biggest things of 350 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 2: why I wanted to invite some of that former nursing 351 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 2: staff back, is to see if we could correlate specific 352 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 2: names without giving them any information whatsoever. Just again walk 353 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 2: me down memory lane. And it was fascinating. One of 354 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:21,160 Speaker 2: the first rooms that we came to, we had been 355 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:25,680 Speaker 2: getting the name of this woman calling herself Gracie. I'm like, oh, 356 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 2: that's a pretty name, you know, all that stuff, And 357 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 2: I would go into Gracie's room often, and it wasn't 358 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 2: then until we had that group of nurses kind of 359 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 2: walking with us. They're like, and this over here was 360 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:39,399 Speaker 2: Grace's room, or Gracie's room as she liked to be called. 361 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 2: But now Gracie was also she had schizophrenia, but she 362 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 2: also had the idea or what they used to refer 363 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 2: to as multiple personalities, So Gracie had a lot going on. 364 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 2: One evening in particular, three nurses sat with Gracie for 365 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 2: an hour and documented thirteen separate distinguishable personalities, which is 366 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 2: I mean almost medically un of like the wheelhouse is 367 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:04,920 Speaker 2: like two to five, so it's certainly tipping the scales. 368 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 2: But that fascinated me because I was like, I'm sorry, what, like, 369 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 2: say again, what what was her name? Because that's the 370 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 2: name we're. 371 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 1: Getting now when you interact with Gracie, do you feel 372 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 1: like she's taken that with her, like that kind of 373 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 1: personality disorder for lack of a better term, you think 374 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:25,879 Speaker 1: that that is showing itself in the afterlife, or do 375 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 1: you think she's like whole and healthy and herself. 376 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:32,159 Speaker 2: See, that's the way I want to imagine her in 377 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 2: her afterlife. I can't imagine taking something like that with us, right, 378 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 2: because it's a horrifying thought. But so every time that 379 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,360 Speaker 2: I've seemed to have an interaction with her, it has 380 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 2: been her. I will say that. Now. I will also 381 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 2: say that I've had numerous conversations with friends, you know, 382 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 2: those weird late night conversations where you've had one too 383 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:58,680 Speaker 2: many glasses of wine. Had a few of those, Yeah, 384 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 2: and you go down rabbit holes, right, I mean, that's 385 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,199 Speaker 2: what happens. But numerous times we've talked and we're like, 386 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 2: my god, like, what if those personalities do transfer on 387 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 2: to the next life or what have you. It's like, 388 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 2: what if Gracie is just the antecedent of the haunting? 389 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 2: What if she's haunting this place and it's just an 390 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 2: offshoot of different personalities and things like that, which is 391 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:23,639 Speaker 2: also a terrifying thought to entertain. 392 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:25,639 Speaker 1: Right, And then it also makes you wonder like where 393 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 1: does that actually come from? Is that our brain or 394 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 1: is it our psyche? Is it our soul? You know, 395 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 1: I don't know. It does raise a lot of questions 396 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:36,880 Speaker 1: but now when you had the staff there, did they 397 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 1: ever claim that they had experiences when it was operating? 398 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:45,440 Speaker 2: Absolutely, which I also found fascinating because they like, oh, 399 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,439 Speaker 2: They're like, gosh, this feels just like before. What do 400 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 2: you mean by that? They're like, it just feels like 401 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 2: eyes are on me. And I have had numerous people 402 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 2: that were former staff members here that have come through, 403 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 2: and they they always say, oh, this was the best 404 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,399 Speaker 2: job I ever had, or this was the worst job 405 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:07,400 Speaker 2: I've ever had, And it's interesting to me just how 406 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 2: how that dichotomy works, right, And they're like, oh, I 407 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 2: remember specifically this one time, like I went upstairs and 408 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 2: I was trying to fix a residen's bed and all 409 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 2: of this stuff was happening around them, but nobody was around, 410 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:26,359 Speaker 2: and so I was like, this is fascinating to me 411 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:30,159 Speaker 2: that they were having different pieces of activity happened that 412 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 2: they couldn't themselves just explain away. And some of them, 413 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 2: I mean Gracie for an example, some of them were 414 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 2: so terrified of Gracy because she would speak sometimes in 415 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:46,400 Speaker 2: a weird, growy kind of a male voice and say 416 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 2: things like the Devil's coming to get me, you know, 417 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:50,919 Speaker 2: things like that. It freaked them out. So I'm like, 418 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 2: turnover here was almost laughable, you. 419 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:57,160 Speaker 1: Know, really, right, having gone through this, I mean, I 420 00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 1: imagine you investigate other locations as well, Right, do you 421 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 1: ever feel like, I don't want to say that you 422 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,159 Speaker 1: compare them, but do you? I mean, how does that 423 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 1: feel to be so kind of connected to one location 424 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 1: but then occasionally branch out to others? Does it feel different? 425 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 1: Or do you ever? I mean, honestly, do you ever 426 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,879 Speaker 1: feel like part of Malvern comes with you elsewhere? If 427 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 1: that makes sense? 428 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,879 Speaker 2: It does. It's super weird. One of my favorite places 429 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 2: to go is obviously the Veliska Axe Murder House, which 430 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 2: is just thirty minutes down the same stretch of road. 431 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 2: And Johnny over there at the Veliska House is one 432 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:29,439 Speaker 2: of my best friends. 433 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 1: I love Johnny. 434 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's one of the best, you know, And so 435 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 2: it's it's just good people and good fun. But it's interesting, 436 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:43,640 Speaker 2: like going into another location and separating yourself from what 437 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,920 Speaker 2: you already know to be the normal. Right, So it's like, oh, 438 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 2: I could go and investigate the Queen Mary for an example, 439 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:56,119 Speaker 2: or someplace like that and have to mentally say to myself, Okay, dude, 440 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 2: This is not going to be what you're used to, 441 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 2: you know what I mean, this is not going to 442 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,919 Speaker 2: be And I think, honestly, as weird as this sounds, 443 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 2: the spirits here are more familiar with me. Oh that's 444 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 2: the guy that wipes down the counters, that's the guy 445 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 2: that annoys me with the vacuum cleaner, you know, things 446 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,120 Speaker 2: like that. But they see me as more of, like, 447 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,159 Speaker 2: you know, a caretaker of the place, and so I 448 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 2: think they're more familiar with me and more willing to 449 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,960 Speaker 2: mess with me a little bit more than maybe anybody else. 450 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:28,160 Speaker 2: But yeah, it's interesting. 451 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,119 Speaker 1: I was going to ask that actually, like if you 452 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 1: felt like you had kind of built up a camaraderie 453 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,120 Speaker 1: with some of the spirits there, or if there are 454 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 1: some there that might not like you. 455 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 2: You know, there's that like Gracie, for an example, is 456 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 2: one of my favorites. She's become my built in therapist, 457 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:45,640 Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Like, I'll just go into 458 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:47,680 Speaker 2: Gracie's room and I'll be like, You're never gonna believe this, 459 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,119 Speaker 2: and I'll just word vomit for a half hour and 460 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:54,439 Speaker 2: I'll feel great and she's probably annoyed. But regardless, like 461 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 2: there is one gentleman upstairs, and his name is Hank 462 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,680 Speaker 2: or Henry, and it kind of depends on the day 463 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,880 Speaker 2: and what he wants to be called. He's your very 464 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,639 Speaker 2: stereotypical grumpy old man, and he just doesn't seem to 465 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:12,680 Speaker 2: enjoy company. He certainly doesn't enjoy the company of female investigators, 466 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,680 Speaker 2: that is for sure. But like he's just a crotchety 467 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 2: old dude, and like he would sit out on the 468 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,200 Speaker 2: front porch and like throw rocks at children and things 469 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 2: like that. So he's just kind of a butt heead. 470 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 2: I also kind of aspire to be this man one day, right. 471 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 1: But yeah, this right, you might be. 472 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 2: Maybe maybe, but no, he's honestly like one of my 473 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:35,200 Speaker 2: favorites too, because he will just kind of flip you crap, 474 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,439 Speaker 2: you know what I mean. But I'm also flipping it 475 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,679 Speaker 2: right back. But it's almost like a buddy thing. But 476 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 2: I do think that I get on her nerves more 477 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:43,879 Speaker 2: often than not. 478 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 1: Do you really think there's a connection between Malvern and Fliska. 479 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 2: It's it's fascinating again, one of those conversations that happened 480 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 2: after too many glasses of wine with Johnny House, Right. 481 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 1: But I can only imagine he's so much. 482 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:05,160 Speaker 2: Oh my god. Yes, but it is interesting because there 483 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:09,159 Speaker 2: does seem to be some kind of correlation, some kind 484 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,680 Speaker 2: of a tie that we're not quite privy to yet, 485 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:17,719 Speaker 2: things that I don't quite know, Like we're getting EVPs 486 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 2: here for an example, that would suggest Veliska. However, they're 487 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 2: also getting EVPs and Velliska that are suggesting Malvern. It 488 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:29,440 Speaker 2: makes no sense, like I would give my left arm 489 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 2: to see a ledger from the hotel right back in 490 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,160 Speaker 2: nineteen ten in June specifically, or. 491 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 1: Excuse me, well, no, yeah, exactly. And what also makes 492 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 1: you wonder too, because obviously Feliska was huge news, and 493 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 1: so sometimes even just a news story can be enough 494 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 1: of triggering information to get a spirit to speak with you, 495 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 1: even if they weren't necessarily involved in it, it's enough 496 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:55,960 Speaker 1: for them to be like, oh, yeah, I remember that. 497 00:28:56,360 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 1: Clearly everyone who was at Malvern knew about that. Obviously 498 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 1: we could go down the rabbit hole. But but that's 499 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 1: a possibility too. I find that connection to be very interesting, 500 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 1: and Johnny brought it up to me when I was 501 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 1: at Veliska last He was like, you got to go 502 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 1: to Malvern, and I still can't believe I haven't been there. 503 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 1: To be honest, I have this very weird draw to Iowa. 504 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 1: So like I've always, like every time we've gone there 505 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 1: to investigate or whatever, I've always had this kind of 506 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 1: draw to it and can come to find out like 507 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 1: I was half adopted and all bunch of my birth 508 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 1: families all from Iowa, like I descended from Iowan's. So yeah, 509 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:34,960 Speaker 1: so strange, but well. 510 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 2: That's interesting, yeah, I mean honestly, like what you guys 511 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 2: go to Belvoir a lot, yeah, which I mean that's 512 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 2: just two hours away, give. 513 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 1: Her and a half. Yeah. When we were filming at 514 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 1: Veliska for Kindred, the owner of Belvoir, so Jesse is 515 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 1: one of my best friends, and so he came out 516 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,720 Speaker 1: and hung out with us, and so personally, like, do 517 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 1: you ever well, first of all, do you live in 518 00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 1: Malvern or are you just like there all the time. 519 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 2: I'm just overcoming it feels like I live in Malverne. 520 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 2: I live like ten or fifteen minutes away, which is 521 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 2: like just close enough and just far enough away, you know. 522 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that makes sense. Now do you ever regret 523 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 1: the decision to be so heavily involved in it? 524 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 2: Sometimes? I guess like it's weird, right, Like I can't 525 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 2: imagine doing anything else now, like I honestly can't. I 526 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,480 Speaker 2: feel also very fortunate to be doing what I'm doing, 527 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 2: because I know a lot of people that would die 528 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 2: to do this, you know. But there are certain times 529 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 2: like I mean, I remember one time giving an interview, 530 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 2: sitting in the main room over here, and somebody asked 531 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 2: that question, does anything ever follow you home? And I 532 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 2: said no, not really like and right at that moment, 533 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,720 Speaker 2: my wife called me and I was like, sorry, guys, 534 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 2: I gotta take this real quick. And I asked if 535 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:51,560 Speaker 2: everything was okay. She goes, I don't know what you 536 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 2: guys are doing over there, but you need to knock 537 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 2: it off. I'm like, what do you mean. She's like, like, 538 00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 2: the kitchen cabinet doors are opening. The dog is like 539 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 2: going absolutely batcrap crazy. He's like. My wife was like, 540 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,840 Speaker 2: something is going on over here. Please stop. I'm like, 541 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 2: we're not doing anything, we're just talking. 542 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, your Malvern friends were like, oh, that's something we 543 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:16,240 Speaker 1: can do. Let's explore this option exactly. 544 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 2: It's like, oh and now they heard that, yes. 545 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 1: Well, hopefully you set some boundaries since then, so that's 546 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 1: not happening. 547 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 2: Definitely. 548 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 1: Well I love that now, I know. So Malvern is 549 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 1: open for tours and investigations, is that correct? 550 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:29,720 Speaker 2: Absolutely? 551 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 1: Yes, Okay, and how does that work, like if people 552 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 1: want to come visit and check it out? 553 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, So malvernmanor dotweeble dot com is the website. And 554 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 2: on that website, I mean you can check out the 555 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:46,240 Speaker 2: calendar with available dates, you can request a date and 556 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 2: from there it just emails me directly and we get 557 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:51,840 Speaker 2: you on the calendar and off you go, you know 558 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:56,240 Speaker 2: type of thing. So it's it's super fun. I love 559 00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 2: meeting new people and seeing people's approach to an investigating 560 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 2: and all that stuff. 561 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 1: I'm sure you have boundaries and things, and everybody's super 562 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,400 Speaker 1: respectful and I can only imagine. 563 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, for the most part they are. It's 564 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 2: there's obviously your your outliers, right like once in a while, 565 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 2: but no, like for the most part, ninety nine percent 566 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:21,480 Speaker 2: of people come in here very respectfully, which I also 567 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,320 Speaker 2: say is probably the only way that you're going to 568 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 2: get legitimate interactions because absolutely if you come in kind 569 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 2: of like what I call guns a blazon, you know, 570 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 2: where you're like kicking indoors saying show yourself and all that, tiff, 571 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 2: it's really not going to get you very far. But 572 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 2: if you take an hour or you take ninety minutes, 573 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,680 Speaker 2: and you go and just sit in a room and 574 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 2: you just ask very generic questions, what did you do today? 575 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 2: You know, what are you doing tomorrow? How is your day? 576 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 2: You have things like that, like it seems to really 577 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,920 Speaker 2: elicit a response from these people. 578 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree completely. So well, I'm going to have 579 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:02,200 Speaker 1: to pay a visit clearly next time I'm in Iowa 580 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 1: exploring my heritage, and I will. But I really do 581 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 1: appreciate you taking the time. It's been a lot of 582 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,360 Speaker 1: fun chatting with you, and like I said, hopefully I'll 583 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 1: be visiting soon. 584 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:14,480 Speaker 2: That sounds great, Thank you. 585 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:20,600 Speaker 1: Malvern Manor has left behind its old role as care 586 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:26,400 Speaker 1: facility and now caters to supernatural enthusiasts and paranormal investigators. 587 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 1: It's oddly appropriate that the facility still straddles the line 588 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:35,040 Speaker 1: between looking forward and looking back. Its business model is 589 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 1: different from anything it had before, but any interaction with 590 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 1: mysticism and spirituality will always involve some engagement with the past. 591 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 1: So while spirits from long ago continue to dwell there today. 592 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:52,160 Speaker 1: We can only hope they'll find a pathway forward as well. 593 00:33:52,360 --> 00:34:05,640 Speaker 1: I'm Amy Bruney and this was Haunted Road. Haunted Road 594 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:09,280 Speaker 1: is hosted and written by me Amy Bruney, with additional 595 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:13,360 Speaker 1: research by Cassandra de Alba. This show is edited and 596 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:17,719 Speaker 1: produced by Rima Alkali, with supervising producer Josh Thain and 597 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:23,040 Speaker 1: executive producers Aaron Menke, Alex Williams, and Matt Frederick. 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