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Speaker 1: thing to do. Yeah, because everybody loved him. So I'm

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00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:37,240
Speaker 1: gonna be cool and go like, you know what, I

426
00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:40,119
Speaker 1: don't love them. And then it slowly starts to be

427
00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:42,440
Speaker 1: a movement. Sure, and I've seen that, and I don't

428
00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:44,160
Speaker 1: know what. And listen, I have friends up hunging out

429
00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:45,840
Speaker 1: those guys. They're like, they told U Bags. It doesn't

430
00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:49,200
Speaker 1: matter to me. I their music was great at the time,

431
00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:53,080
Speaker 1: it was, I mean it was it was just to

432
00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:56,040
Speaker 1: me it was mind blowing too and kind of you know,

433
00:20:57,080 --> 00:21:00,280
Speaker 1: the that was like even though like like you said,

434
00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:03,240
Speaker 1: n Abster and whatever, all the lime wire or whatever,

435
00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:05,640
Speaker 1: all the illegal things, where we still kind of had

436
00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:09,359
Speaker 1: that beauty of hearing music for the first time without

437
00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:12,560
Speaker 1: having like complete access to it like we do now.

438
00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:14,879
Speaker 1: And and so when I heard stuff like nickelback Lincoln

439
00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:18,119
Speaker 1: Park is another one um stuff, just it did something

440
00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:21,080
Speaker 1: to me, man, like just completely inspired me. I don't

441
00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:23,440
Speaker 1: even know how to explain it. But favorite artist of

442
00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:30,399
Speaker 1: all time, Um Pink Floyd. Oh yeah, so similar. I

443
00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:33,399
Speaker 1: grew up listening to classic rock radio and so I

444
00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:36,439
Speaker 1: was like CCR credence was is really one of the

445
00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:40,080
Speaker 1: most influential parts of music history to me. But I

446
00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:44,160
Speaker 1: would assume that had to be your dad classic rock radio.

447
00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:47,440
Speaker 1: Um yeah, I mean my first memory, like my first

448
00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:50,760
Speaker 1: few memories were, um, my dad had a chicken farm

449
00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,959
Speaker 1: for a long time and um uh he had like

450
00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:57,720
Speaker 1: this little s ten and we would listen to the

451
00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:00,600
Speaker 1: classic rock station out of Jackson, mississip being those are

452
00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,360
Speaker 1: like I was probably three years old. I remember hearing

453
00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:05,399
Speaker 1: free Bird for the first time and then like I

454
00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:07,840
Speaker 1: heard it. I don't know how I remember this, but

455
00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:09,760
Speaker 1: like later that day I heard it again on the

456
00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:11,680
Speaker 1: radio and he was singing it and I was still

457
00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,880
Speaker 1: kind of learning the concept of radio, and I remember

458
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,199
Speaker 1: asking my dad how he how do you know that

459
00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:20,439
Speaker 1: song because the first time we heard it was earlier today,

460
00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:22,159
Speaker 1: and he was like, no, Son, that's like actually an

461
00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:25,359
Speaker 1: old song. But um yeah, classic rock radio was like

462
00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:29,840
Speaker 1: very early in my my childhood, your death still alive

463
00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:32,680
Speaker 1: and what do you think about what you're doing now?

464
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,280
Speaker 1: He's taking it all in stride. Both My parents are

465
00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:38,719
Speaker 1: they love it. Their mind is kind of blown a

466
00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:40,680
Speaker 1: little bit. My sister was I was very much a

467
00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:42,760
Speaker 1: black sheep, and they will even admit this that she was.

468
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:45,800
Speaker 1: She's saying growing up and and um, I was just

469
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:48,920
Speaker 1: a kid and play baseball and sort of she moved

470
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:52,080
Speaker 1: to Nashville and you know, she was that was this

471
00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:55,440
Speaker 1: was kind of her thing and and so um, it's

472
00:22:55,520 --> 00:23:00,159
Speaker 1: just still sort of people are still in shock a

473
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,639
Speaker 1: little bit that the roles are kind of reversed. But

474
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:04,919
Speaker 1: my parents are they love it. Have they seen you

475
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,880
Speaker 1: perform to pretty crowded room? My folks, Yeah, the first

476
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:10,680
Speaker 1: time they saw that, they trip out a little bit. Yeah.

477
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 1: The first time that they saw a good show was

478
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,280
Speaker 1: in Atlanta, and it was the first time that a

479
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:19,920
Speaker 1: crowd ever sang uh Rednecker. But it was when Rednecker

480
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 1: was like kind of peeking, and um, they were in

481
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,119
Speaker 1: the crowd. And when I came back stage, like my

482
00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:27,920
Speaker 1: mom was like crying a little bit or whatever, and

483
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,160
Speaker 1: they were just they I had never seen them freak

484
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,960
Speaker 1: out like that. It was. It was really cool. Mike

485
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,960
Speaker 1: de who's producing this, I was doing Standout and playing

486
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 1: theaters around the country and Mike d had was opening

487
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 1: for him and he was doing you know, five to

488
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 1: seven minutes of comedy, but his parents didn't even know

489
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,360
Speaker 1: he was doing comedy. So we're so we're in Austin

490
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 1: and it was the first time they come to see

491
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:49,359
Speaker 1: your first time ever. Oh my god, so similar? What

492
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:51,720
Speaker 1: did they think? They freaked out, Like they saw me

493
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:53,719
Speaker 1: walk out on stage and start telling jokes and like

494
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:55,920
Speaker 1: people laughing, and they were like, what is happening. That's

495
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 1: amazing because he's so quiet, he says nothing, but then

496
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:00,960
Speaker 1: he gets up on stage and is a pretty funny guy.

497
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:01,879
Speaker 1: And I just kind of wonder if that was the

498
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 1: same thing with your folks a little bit. I think so.

499
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:09,920
Speaker 1: Um I've yes, I think so, And they hadn't really

500
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 1: seen that side of me, but they did. Also, like

501
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:14,879
Speaker 1: my first show ever was like this Halloween show I

502
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,320
Speaker 1: did in Nashville and it was like packed with industry people,

503
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:19,680
Speaker 1: so everybody was like extra hype just because it was

504
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:21,720
Speaker 1: like my first show and everybody knew, like we knew

505
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 1: each other, but the real like to see it in

506
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,639
Speaker 1: front of real fans, I think was a whole different

507
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 1: experience for them and for me. Where did Rednecker peak

508
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,439
Speaker 1: twenty three maybe twenty four, so you were right on

509
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,399
Speaker 1: the edge of really feeling it though. Huh yeah, it

510
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:39,119
Speaker 1: definitely took Uh. It's interesting though, because it didn't like

511
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:45,399
Speaker 1: One Beer, the fan base was like kind of learning

512
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,640
Speaker 1: the stuff before even One Beer kind of went top

513
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:51,640
Speaker 1: twenty and they knew Rednecker and it's still like the biggest,

514
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 1: if not second biggest song of the night. But um yeah,

515
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:59,400
Speaker 1: I mean it was. It took a different different turn

516
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:03,360
Speaker 1: when One Beer came out. For sure, after Updown goes

517
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,159
Speaker 1: and hits, what was it crossing with any other songs

518
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:12,160
Speaker 1: at the same time. Yeah, so, um Simple came out

519
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 1: right after that. I think Simple came out and like

520
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 1: June or something, and uh, up Down went number one

521
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,639
Speaker 1: in July, so that was like the first like crossover.

522
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:31,879
Speaker 1: And um I remember Simple up Down at the number

523
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:35,879
Speaker 1: one party. Simple was number one. It's like a crazy

524
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,359
Speaker 1: cool kind of moment, you know, here is F G

525
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:52,120
Speaker 1: L Simple, Whether your second song that that hits. Sorry

526
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:53,640
Speaker 1: you starting to go, hey, I think I'm really gonna

527
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:55,400
Speaker 1: do this for a while, Like there's a pressure off

528
00:25:55,400 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 1: your shoulders. Yes, definitely, Um yeah, I think like Up Down,

529
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 1: like stood alone, and then I started really going on

530
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 1: the road with f GL and Morgan was out there

531
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 1: and Chris Lane was they were all on tour together,

532
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:13,679
Speaker 1: and the next thing, I know, um, Chris uh Lane

533
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 1: um came up and I was like, Hey, I'm gonna

534
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 1: cut the song you wrote. I don't know about you,

535
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,199
Speaker 1: and then like um and a couple of others, and

536
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,440
Speaker 1: then Morgan was he and I started writing a lot,

537
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 1: and he was like, I'm gonna cut this and this

538
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:26,359
Speaker 1: and this and this with you, and then kind of

539
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:28,919
Speaker 1: f g L sort of followed suit. And that's like

540
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:32,399
Speaker 1: when I really knew like, Okay, I think I have

541
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:34,119
Speaker 1: a camp, and you know, because that's kind of the

542
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 1: name of the game for the most part, you know,

543
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:36,919
Speaker 1: if you can at least find a crew and then

544
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 1: you branch out and get cut sort of here and

545
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:42,119
Speaker 1: there everywhere else. But um, I I had never really

546
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,160
Speaker 1: had like a solid camp of people that I could

547
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 1: trust in and and like felt like I was maybe

548
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:49,439
Speaker 1: their guy or this dude's guy or whatever. And that

549
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 1: was the first time that I felt a lot of

550
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 1: security from that. Here's Chris Lane, I don't know about you.

551
00:26:54,960 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 1: What's your name? Your statue? Battle bird Day. You want

552
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 1: to run through some of these. Here's low Cash. One

553
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 1: big country songs around here is Jamison Roger. Some girls

554
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 1: get them taking trip back home and they got some

555
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:30,919
Speaker 1: girl drinking. Here's Blake Shelton, God's Country. When Devin Dawson

556
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 1: was in here, how about a week or so ago,

557
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 1: he said, you sang the demo to this, Yeah, and

558
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 1: that when you guys finished it in his recollection and

559
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 1: he said, hey, you're going to writing. Everybody has different

560
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 1: memories of what happens when that. He felt like that

561
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 1: was a song for you. Yeah. I made a joke

562
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:52,920
Speaker 1: to uh Seth and Joey Um Joey moy Um, and

563
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 1: I sent it to them and I said, I can't remember,

564
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:58,920
Speaker 1: and I tried tried to find the text and that

565
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 1: you know, like it gets to it after a year

566
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,399
Speaker 1: or whatever. But I said something like unless somebody like

567
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 1: Blake Shelton cuts this in a week, I want this

568
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 1: for myself. And Blake cut it like now you can listen.

569
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,719
Speaker 1: You're pumped when he cuts it. Yeah, but it's one

570
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 1: percent of You're like, man, I should wish I could

571
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 1: cut that song. I never dude, I had modeled my

572
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 1: uh like there. Blake had had put out so many

573
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,160
Speaker 1: songs that I loved and that I had like sort

574
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 1: of gravitated towards that craft, and a lot of that

575
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,120
Speaker 1: was because of Craig Wiseman and like just other people

576
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 1: that had Blake cuts. But um, it was such a

577
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 1: dream of mine, uh to have a Blake cut, and

578
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 1: especially one that he was hyped about. So I didn't

579
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 1: even think twice about it. And I don't think that

580
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 1: the song would have been as big for me as

581
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 1: it was for him. I think it was so big

582
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 1: as because it was so different. Well for him, it

583
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 1: was the biggest song of the year. I mean that

584
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 1: song with the song I suppose so no, no, I

585
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 1: suppose it one one song of like it literally was

586
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 1: the single of the year. Yeah, so there's no supposing

587
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 1: that was it. I'm gonna play here's one more. You wrote,

588
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: Morgan Wallen, more than my hometown Californy. So by doing

589
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 1: math here, let's see one number one, two, three, four

590
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 1: or five, six, seven nine, number one, you're worth about

591
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 1: ten million dollars. Don't unless you're right meant to be

592
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 1: or something. I don't I don't know if those are alright, alright,

593
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 1: So your record. And again I'm gonna reference Staple too

594
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 1: for a second because when Staple to put out From

595
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 1: a Room Part one a part two, the big thing

596
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 1: was is it from a room or from a right?

597
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 1: And it's from a room right because that's the room

598
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 1: a room. Yes. Now with your record, is it a

599
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 1: rock or is it a rock? Uh? You know what's

600
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 1: funny is it's probably a rock because the rock sounds

601
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 1: like Iraq. Why. I've heard that joke a lot recently,

602
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 1: Like man, I didn't think about that. Why a rock though? Um, well,

603
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 1: it's you know, it is a song on the record,

604
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 1: but also uh, I think there's a little bit of

605
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 1: a word play there with that. The record sounds like

606
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 1: a rock record. Um I never Okay, I didn't. I

607
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 1: didn't cross where I decided on that. I thought about like,

608
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 1: I thought of a million ideas and I can't even

609
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 1: think of him now, But um, I just that's what

610
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 1: we ended up with. And I do think that, you know,

611
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 1: the record does definitely sound like a rock record, and

612
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 1: that was just you know, aesthetically pleasing or whatever. Yeah,

613
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 1: is the new single out because it goes for ads Monday?

614
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 1: What is it? Give having some hell all right. Let

615
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 1: let me play a little bit of this. This is

616
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 1: from when you Stories still giving you write this one?

617
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 1: Did you write all the songs on the record. I've

618
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 1: heard this song a few times. Where have I heard

619
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 1: this other that it would play other than just me

620
00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 1: checking out the record? Do you know? Uh? Have you

621
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 1: played it anywhere? I put the only played played it

622
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 1: at a w W E thing. It was like the

623
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: Troops thing. It was on TV. I don't know if

624
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: you saw that. Um, I mean, I don't know missed

625
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: that one? Tell us? So give me the you know

626
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 1: that that the thirty second version of You're in the room,

627
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 1: the concept what the song means to you? Okay, So

628
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 1: we were writing The first song on our record is

629
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 1: called Truck, and originally the second the last half of

630
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 1: the second verse, there's a line about a guy that

631
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 1: has sticker on the back that says ninety two to

632
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: twelve and in memory of his buddy, and and we

633
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 1: were gonna we originally made the line he misses him

634
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: our uh stories he can barely tell because he's giving

635
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: heaven some hell. And me and Hunter Phelps and Ben Johnson,

636
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: we were all like we that needs to be its

637
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 1: own idea and so we changed the line and we

638
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 1: we wrote down give Heaven some hell, and we wrote

639
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,239
Speaker 1: it like a week later. And to be honest, um,

640
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: you know, I don't I've never lost like a best friend,

641
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 1: thankfully or anything like that. And so, um, I wasn't

642
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 1: pulling from like a like a real like experience or

643
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 1: anything like that. Um, but I've definitely experienced it, uh

644
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: you know second hand or or you know, there's stuff

645
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 1: like that happened in my hometown a lot. So Um,

646
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 1: there was no particular person in mind. But uh, I

647
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 1: will say, Man, it's been the most the heaviest, um,

648
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 1: like my Instagram and Twitter and stuff, and dude, just

649
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 1: literally like thousands of just stories of people and I

650
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 1: try to respond to all of them. But I know

651
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: that it's reaching people and it makes That's really the

652
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 1: kind of the realization I've had this year's is to

653
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 1: have a platform where I can help people or at

654
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: least trying to make people feel something. So I'm really

655
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 1: proud of that one. I mean, you're hitting on all cylinders.

656
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 1: Usually it's one or the other, and sometimes they shift, sure,

657
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 1: but right now you're kind of hitting in all areas.

658
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: Do you have any other songs that you have written

659
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 1: for other folks that are out or starting to kind

660
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 1: of flutter around a little bit like that. I wrote

661
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 1: that just other singles. Yeah, maybe not even singles. Are

662
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: there other you know, I'm assuming I don't. I don't know.

663
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 1: This is true. On Morgan's record, You're on some of

664
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: those songs. You wrote some of those. Yeah, I had

665
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 1: a few on Morgan's And uh, right now I have

666
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 1: like col swindale single single Saturday Night. Uh, it's guy

667
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 1: Robert Counts he has a single outcoll what do I Know?

668
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 1: And then um, Dylan Carmichael has a song called hot Beer. Um.

669
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 1: I've been writing a lot with Dirks recently. Um it

670
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: isn't Dirk's the best dude, like aside from just being

671
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 1: you know, this songwriter. And I've been lucky to be

672
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: friends with Dirk's on a different level than Yeah, he's

673
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 1: just the best guy, dude. He's yes, as solid as

674
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 1: you could you can get in town. And I found

675
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 1: I found, I've like found that a lot of the

676
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: guys that are like at the top are like that.

677
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: And you know that Luke, Brian Uh, Blake Shelton and

678
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 1: a lot of those guys like you're around him and

679
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 1: you're like, man, y'all are just normal. You're just like

680
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:00,040
Speaker 1: you are, you know, on TV and everything and and

681
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: just good dudes. And I love that. Man. If I

682
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 1: ever get there, it's a testament to how I want

683
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:07,959
Speaker 1: to be one day, you know. And here's why, because

684
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,280
Speaker 1: people at that level don't have to prove anything to anybody.

685
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 1: Sure you know I would, I'll say, um, a two

686
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 1: single new artist, no offense to yourself, I just know,

687
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 1: or like a soap opera star or someone that's new

688
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 1: on a TV show, and that when you get that

689
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 1: first taste of success, you start to go, I gotta

690
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 1: prove that I'm worth to be here, and to prove

691
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 1: my worth, I need to be a certain way. And

692
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 1: you have this, and I think I went through it

693
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 1: a bit too when some of my TV stuff. Not

694
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 1: that I treat people different, but I was like, I

695
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 1: gotta show people that I'm actually worth what I'm getting

696
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: to do. And it's a weird feeling to have. But

697
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 1: then once you prove it to yourself, you're like, you

698
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,399
Speaker 1: know what, I kind of have what is sustainable? I'm

699
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,839
Speaker 1: just gonna be who I am. And those guys are

700
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 1: like that Keith Urban. Yes, he's another one. Dude, the

701
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 1: greatest dude. So nice man. You just would be like,

702
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,359
Speaker 1: are you a little big town yes a dude. Yes,

703
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 1: you're like you guys real and you hang around them

704
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:04,320
Speaker 1: and you're like, one day I'm gonna catch you getting

705
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 1: out of character character. Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting too, and

706
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: like just how they handle success and and uh yeah,

707
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: I just I like, look at them. I mean they

708
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 1: I don't know if they know, but all those people

709
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 1: that you mentioned are like role models at this point

710
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: because I just want to be like that as a

711
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 1: person if I ever get to be to that point.

712
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 1: You know, I think it's just an insecurity that every listen,

713
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 1: you can't create and be secure, Like, you can't be

714
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:37,320
Speaker 1: a creator and not be insecure in some way, I agree,

715
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 1: because you're laying it out there in a vulnerable way

716
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: every single time. Yeah, totally. It doesn't matter if you're

717
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 1: writing songs, writing books. You gotta go, Okay, I've created this,

718
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 1: will you please like it? To do that, and you

719
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: want people's approval, you need it. That's why you you

720
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 1: didn't do it. You know, wouldn't have done it in

721
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: the first place. If you do that, you gotta open

722
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:56,320
Speaker 1: up your ribs a little bit. And so when that happens,

723
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 1: I tend I was tending to get extremely insecure into

724
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 1: be withdrawn more than be angry. I was just or mean.

725
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: I'm just I was just completely withdrawn. Now not so much.

726
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, I think I'm gonna be here for

727
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 1: a but I feel confident. But I think it's the

728
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 1: same thing you made up. I just brought up a

729
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: great point. Luke Bryant. We're together all the time shooting

730
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 1: American Idol, and people are always like Luke Forward fifty

731
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 1: seventy million dollars and like the nicest, coolest guy in

732
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,800
Speaker 1: the world. You never know almost much as you with

733
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: all these songs when you tell people you're from Philadelphia,

734
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: or do you ever see just stay Philadelphia and see

735
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: if they can put it together? Dude, Every every time

736
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 1: I meet somebody new, I have to would go through

737
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 1: the thing every single time. Yeah, I say it, And

738
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,439
Speaker 1: when I say Philadelphia, like I see their confused face

739
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 1: for like a split second, and then I say Mississippi

740
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 1: and they're like, oh, makes a joke about it. But

741
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 1: when you started writing, did you go buy a full

742
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: name or you always party, you did, Yeah, I did.

743
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,800
Speaker 1: It's just that hardy, like all my friends called me hardy,

744
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 1: and I don't know, it's just like kind of one

745
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 1: of those like I have a couple of buddies that

746
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 1: I just have always called them by their last name

747
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 1: for whatever reason. And uh So when it just came

748
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,280
Speaker 1: time to sort of do the artist thing that somebody

749
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 1: kind of brought it up and I was like, yeah,

750
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: I think that's cool, something different and why all caps?

751
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 1: It's just bold? Um. I think it's just kind of

752
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: you know, Rednecker being the first song, and I think

753
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 1: the music being a little more intense than than maybe

754
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 1: some of the stuff in the format. I just you know,

755
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: I think it just stands out are you are you feeling?

756
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 1: And again, I don't want you to take this the

757
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: wrong way because I compared to you and I both

758
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 1: to average white guys. If you just see us, we're

759
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,879
Speaker 1: just normal dudes. You know. Um that there's I would

760
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 1: call it kind of a normal core happening in country music.

761
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 1: In this hardcore, but like you look normal, yeah, uh,

762
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: Luke Holmes looks normal. Colmes created normal core, I think

763
00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:01,720
Speaker 1: for the longest time. Uh, A lot of country acts

764
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 1: before him, and really Stapleton kind of in a way,

765
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 1: in my opinion maybe sort of helped develop that, but

766
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: I think Luke Homes kind of delivered it to everybody.

767
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: But uh, yeah, it's cool to look normal again. I

768
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: think before that it was like everybody was like it

769
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 1: was or was trying to look like a professional wrestler

770
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 1: or something. Yeah, either an extreme cowboy, a chained up wrestlings.

771
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 1: Like you had to have your esthetic niche. But you

772
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 1: don't have to have that anymore. No, So up do

773
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: what you're good at. And if you're good, I mean,

774
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 1: the more normal you look, I feel like if you're

775
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 1: you know, if you're good, people are gonna go nuts. Yeah.

776
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 1: When Jamison Rodgers was here, he was leaving that night

777
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: after we had talked to go and playing the softball

778
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:48,800
Speaker 1: the league that you guys were playing in, and so

779
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 1: I know you were on the team. How how physically

780
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 1: are you holding up when you go back and play ball? Uh?

781
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 1: I was sore. I hurt. Uh I can't even hurt

782
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 1: my knee or something like the last game. Um, dude,

783
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 1: I that was a big like oh god, I'm getting

784
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,919
Speaker 1: old kind of thought. Uh, but dude, that was fun

785
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: and you guys didn't win the whole thing. Huh, you're

786
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 1: freaking stacked. Uh man, it was I tell you why

787
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: we got beat and myself included. Everybody tried to hit

788
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: a home run every single time they got up to bat.

789
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 1: So we we I would bet eight percent of our

790
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 1: outs were long fly balls. It just we couldn't help it,

791
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 1: like everybody wanted to hit a home run, I swear

792
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,439
Speaker 1: because we were good in the field. We had great outfielders,

793
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 1: We had good infield. We didn't make a ton of errors. Uh,

794
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 1: we just we would have to. All right, bats were tough,

795
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: we we were good. We want a decent bit of games.

796
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 1: But now we didn't go all the way. Do you

797
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 1: feel like you had a target on your back because

798
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 1: you were all the singers? Like when you were without

799
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 1: a doubt, dude, Oh my god, you were the duke

800
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,240
Speaker 1: of college basketball. Like even the bad teams are getting

801
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,839
Speaker 1: up because they're about play as hard as they've ever played. Absolutely.

802
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 1: Oh man. There were some teams some of the guys

803
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 1: are really cool and they would like kind of yell

804
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 1: at us and make like a song reference joke or

805
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 1: you know, just something like that. And then there was

806
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: there were a couple of teams that like you could

807
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,760
Speaker 1: just tell they were like these freaking country singer YadA

808
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,399
Speaker 1: YadA yadas and uh, oh dude, we felt it every

809
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 1: single game. It was intense. Did you ever finish the

810
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 1: game and the other guys be like, hey, ge get

811
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 1: a picture before we get out? Yeah? And by the end, um,

812
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 1: you know, Morgan only was only at a few. He

813
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 1: had a lot going on, you know, but I thank

814
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: god he wasn't at every game where I think it

815
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 1: might have been chaos because it was just sort of

816
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: at his he was really starting to peak. Uh and

817
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 1: and uh with which there was a ton of you know,

818
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 1: like celebrity singers on our team. But chrys Lane, let's

819
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: walk to it. Yeah, Chris Lane, you Jamison, Jordan Davis,

820
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:53,839
Speaker 1: Jordan Davis, obviously Morrigan, there's five five. Riley Green played

821
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 1: one game. Uh, hey didn't come back. Um, John Langston

822
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 1: was there. Um, god, you're not the team I would

823
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 1: want to fight either. No. I know we were, we

824
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 1: were thick, but yeah, for sure, Ernest I don't know

825
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 1: if you know Ernest I say him on Twitter sometimes Yeah,

826
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: I don't know. He was on there and then and

827
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 1: then some some of the younger guys Jeb Gibson, Hunter

828
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,839
Speaker 1: Phelps and uh yeah, but but it was cool man.

829
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: It was a you know, our team name was the Recoupable.

830
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 1: So I don't know, I just probably saw it on

831
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 1: Jamison was he wearing this jersey? And I think guys

832
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: saw it on Instagram maybe Jordan and posted a pictures yea,

833
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 1: and which I think is hilarious because in case you

834
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: don't know, are recoupable, you have to pay the money

835
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,879
Speaker 1: back that the label pays you. They're like, hey, we're

836
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 1: gonna give you a five dollars to go make a record.

837
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 1: Well you gotta pay that five dollars. That's where the

838
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 1: five bucks is. Yeah, so yeah, that's and you guys

839
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 1: had jerseys. Yeah, no, I guess they were not like

840
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 1: jersey in form or in um material, but yeah, we

841
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:55,919
Speaker 1: had uniforms. We had like, uh, just very classic looking

842
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 1: baseball shirt. This someone by all them for you do

843
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 1: you all have to go out and do Amison handled

844
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 1: the whole thing and we just we just paid him.

845
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 1: So that's like old school softball. Yeah, that doesn't give

846
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 1: him all the money. We're gonna try to do it

847
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 1: again in the spring. If the code stuff kind of

848
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 1: uh is still you know, it's not looking like it's

849
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: gonna be uh happening in the spring as far as

850
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 1: tor goes. So I think we're gonna try to do

851
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 1: it again. Are you a gambler a little bit? Are

852
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 1: you gambling more now that it's legal here? Uh? No.

853
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 1: I was doing it the same before to me though,

854
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 1: and I was to a bit, but I was so

855
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 1: tired of paying in bitcoin to an offshore site. I

856
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 1: was gonna check from like Armenia and the bank want

857
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: cash it or like like for sure they think there's

858
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 1: some terrorist activity going on worse. Yeah, And so I

859
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 1: started to get tired of that. But now I'm on DraftKings. Yeah,

860
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:48,399
Speaker 1: three or four times a week. It's the greatest new

861
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 1: part of my life. I've never done draft kings, like

862
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,240
Speaker 1: because you do that kind of in a fantasy format,

863
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: right you can. Yes, I gamble on games, just just

864
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 1: regular straight up. Yeah, that's what lines, you know, money lines,

865
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 1: It's just like anything else. Yeah. So I mean especially

866
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: during the break because you know, I'll do the radio

867
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 1: show Monday through Friday morning immediately even go shoot TV

868
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 1: on the weekends, and whenever I'm doing you can't gamble

869
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 1: in every state, so I have to get I have

870
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 1: to get my betsand before I leave I did that

871
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 1: before I went to Colorado with Dirks and him, I

872
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 1: had to do all of my national all of the

873
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: playoff and all that stuff. And I did it like

874
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 1: in the airport because I was like, oh my god,

875
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 1: I'm about to screw up. But that's how you know

876
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,280
Speaker 1: we have a problem. Well we're going, okay, I'm acrossing

877
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:35,399
Speaker 1: the state line. Yeah, it's fun. It makes it, dude.

878
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 1: It makes any game interesting. Like if there is a

879
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,360
Speaker 1: game on and it just started and it's the Nicks

880
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,840
Speaker 1: versus the Sons or whatever, and you don't care about it,

881
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 1: then just put like fifty bucks or whatever on it

882
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 1: and then it's like suddenly the most intense thing ever.

883
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 1: Last night I had a seven and I don't usually

884
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,800
Speaker 1: bet long parlays, but a seven game parlay and I

885
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 1: got to the seventh game and it was the Brooklyn Nets.

886
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 1: I don't bet NBA much because Brooklyn nets Cleveland Cavaliers,

887
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 1: and Brooklyn was down by about nine with three minutes left.

888
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: They come, they tie and go to overtime. This is

889
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 1: my seventh game. Yeah, by the way, who did you

890
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 1: have money? Brooklyn at Brooklyn and and it was a

891
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 1: money line. I wasn't playing to spread. I needed him

892
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 1: to do was freaking win seven games. I had put

893
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 1: down a hundred bucks. I was gonna all they have

894
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 1: to do is win the game. They lost. My seventh game,

895
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 1: they lost in double overtime and double overtime, all freaking overtime.

896
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 1: How do you lose with James Harden, Kevin Duran, Kyrie

897
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 1: Irving and you can you can also go, you know what,

898
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take the money I've already won and check out.

899
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 1: You can like go cash in. And I felt so

900
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 1: good about the bet. Oh yeah, I wanted to pull

901
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 1: my hair off. Um dude. My my favorite one this

902
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 1: year was I put a hundred bucks on l s

903
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 1: U versus Florida money line. I had a gut feeling

904
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 1: and the football, Oh that's right, because everybody and Florida

905
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:58,319
Speaker 1: was still on the hunt to be in the National

906
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:00,879
Speaker 1: Change you about the money line, yes, And I was like, dude,

907
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: I just I have a gut feeling. LSU's gonna play

908
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: them at least a really good game when they beat him,

909
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 1: and I was that was That was my best of

910
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 1: the year. You play golf, Yeah you're good. Yeah, oh

911
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 1: you are yeah. Never why that's just annoying. But you know,

912
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 1: not even the scratch. You guys that come in and

913
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 1: you can sing and you can write, and you can

914
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 1: play golf and you can play like all. That's just

915
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 1: annoying to somebody like me whos had to like hustle

916
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 1: and grab my teeth for every single thing to play golf,

917
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 1: to play ball everything. So when did you start playing golf?

918
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 1: When I was like twelve? Okay, so you've had a

919
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 1: bit of history at it. I haven't. I mean, like,

920
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 1: I'm not like fundamentally like you know what I mean.

921
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: I don't have like the perfect swing or anything. But

922
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: I've been playing a long time. I love it, dude.

923
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 1: It's my favorite sport to play. Who do you play

924
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 1: with in Nashville, Um brad Terci, Yes, A pretty good bit.

925
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 1: I got a songwriter buddy of mine, James McNair, that

926
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 1: I play with a ton um play with Devin A

927
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 1: good bad Play with Jamison A good bit. Uh. There's

928
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 1: a great community of of dudes that that play. A

929
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 1: lot of people play golf, and I think a lot

930
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:13,359
Speaker 1: of people really picked it up this past year. Um,

931
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 1: but I love it. Dude. You seem like you're lefty,

932
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: so am I how are you? Yeah? I can never

933
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 1: see a lot of lefties here. Never. I can never

934
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 1: use anybody's clubs. I can never play anybody's guitar. Yeah,

935
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: you play left handing guitar. See I play right handed guitar.

936
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 1: Is it because there were right handed guitars available? I

937
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 1: think so, Like my first one as a gift was

938
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 1: a right handed guitar. But um, it still feels like

939
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 1: natural for me to play right handed and not. I

940
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 1: don't feel like I could play left handed, So I

941
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 1: think it is a natural thing somehow. Yeah. If people

942
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 1: are playing and they're like they do that funny song

943
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:51,319
Speaker 1: that you do, and I'm like, all right, well, there's

944
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 1: no freaking guitar. That sucks, it sucks. That is that's

945
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 1: worse than golf clubs, because like, at least you have

946
00:46:56,360 --> 00:47:00,320
Speaker 1: your own in that situation. But that's like ning is

947
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 1: like that. I've played Travises, he plays left handed guitar.

948
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 1: He's probably good. Keith Up took my guitar once, who's

949
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 1: not left handed, and goes, let me see if I

950
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 1: can just probably this and he has a little conversation

951
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 1: with both of his hands and he goes, all right,

952
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:16,479
Speaker 1: you do this, you do this, and then he starts

953
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 1: to play I don't know, four times better than I do.

954
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 1: That would make me He's unreal, dude. Like he had

955
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 1: a conversation, are you gonna do what you usually do?

956
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 1: And you do that all right? Break and he's like,

957
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, that's insane, amazing slash annoying. I wish

958
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 1: that there was more, uh more, there were more things

959
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 1: like products and stuff that appealed to left handed people

960
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 1: you right, left handed, especially when we had use pencils

961
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 1: at all, because you got you have, you have that.

962
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 1: I thought about getting a tattoo one time where like this,

963
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 1: like to get this whole thing shaded, like to represent

964
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 1: like the yeah, because if you're left handed, for those

965
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 1: that don't know, and most of you don't, you have

966
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: to drag your hand across the paper like you right,

967
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 1: you right, and then you go across what you just wrote,

968
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 1: so you always so it's always all over your life. Stucks, man.

969
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 1: Even you guys don't even know. Mike, you have no

970
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 1: idea what stuff it is. Um in the winter, it's

971
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 1: been because I have the Gulf, I have the simulator

972
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 1: and I saw it. Yeah, that's been where it's that

973
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:16,319
Speaker 1: I want one. I've had more friends in the winter

974
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 1: then i've had all that's funny. They're like, hey, man,

975
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 1: what what's doing today? You can play any course on there? Right, Yeah?

976
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 1: Mostly that's amazing. Yeah, so that that's been kind of

977
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 1: the winter project. Is Is it pretty? I mean, of

978
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,399
Speaker 1: course it's just a trap man. So it's like super accurate, right, yeah,

979
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 1: it's it's it's yeah, it's accurate. I say that, and

980
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:34,839
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, real life, I wouldn't hear the shot

981
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 1: that bad. Let's be honest. I would have hit the

982
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 1: shot that bad. So well, man, it's been good to

983
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 1: hang out, good to talk with you. Thanks for having me. No,

984
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 1: for sure, I'm looking forward to see what happens with

985
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:47,399
Speaker 1: you next. I mean it's that odd mix of you're

986
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 1: kind of hitting in a lot of different ways at

987
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:51,800
Speaker 1: the same time, and and for that I commend to you,

988
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,359
Speaker 1: because that doesn't happen without a ton of hard work.

989
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 1: Like you can be good. I have a lot of

990
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 1: friends are good at stuff but don't work and it

991
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:00,320
Speaker 1: doesn't pop, or maybe it just pops. For a second.

992
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 1: So to have this success that's all kind of hitting

993
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 1: you at once. It isn't by accident, and it isn't

994
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,399
Speaker 1: just because you're talented. You know in this town where

995
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 1: everyone is a giant, that the talent around you, everybody's

996
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 1: amazing for you to have this much success, like like,

997
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:18,439
Speaker 1: I respect it, thank you, I appreciate what you're doing,

998
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:23,399
Speaker 1: and congratulations, thank you, and everybody pleasure. Check out a rock? Rock?

999
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 1: What is it? Say it? I would say a rock. Okay,

1000
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 1: that's what I was. That's what in conversation, I would say,

1001
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 1: a rock. Check out a rock. It sounds like, all right,

1002
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 1: that's what's up. There is following on Instagram at hardy

1003
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: tough to get the handle or I had to pay

1004
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 1: five bucks. I just had to pay interesting. Well, first

1005
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 1: of all, I can't get at Bobby Bones for anything.

1006
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 1: For I've said, yeah, for five seven, eight years, I've

1007
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 1: offered money and the person who has it doesn't even

1008
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 1: really use it. Is it a guy or is it you?

1009
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 1: They're posting stuff of yours. It's a guy that's just

1010
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 1: like he's another Bobby Yeah, who in Well, it's a

1011
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:03,880
Speaker 1: stupid name. It's not our real name. Bobby is bones

1012
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 1: is it? And so've I've given up and so I

1013
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 1: just used Mr Bobby Bones right all across the board. Well,

1014
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 1: we started this kind of online cooking show my fiance

1015
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 1: did and it's called Unfancied Cooking, and I was like,

1016
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:17,959
Speaker 1: this is a good name, less name at that. She's

1017
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 1: really talented at it. So we did it. Somebody's squatted

1018
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 1: as soon as we put it up. Somebody squatted the Instagram.

1019
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 1: So I get a message going, hey, I have this,

1020
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 1: gonna buy it? And I was like, all right, get

1021
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 1: fifty bucks because okay, I'm gonna reward you for your ingenuity. Okay,

1022
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 1: as sleazy as it could be, that is legal. Yeah,

1023
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:38,400
Speaker 1: you're right, I said, get bucks. They say give me

1024
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 1: a thousand, No way, one YouTube episode. It's not work.

1025
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 1: So I say, don't message me again, just playing, just

1026
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:50,359
Speaker 1: being negotiating here and there. In about a week later,

1027
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:51,800
Speaker 1: they come back, you, okay, we'll do for seven fifty,

1028
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 1: I said, because I didn't need it that bad. And

1029
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:58,839
Speaker 1: so in the end, how much you think I gave

1030
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:02,840
Speaker 1: for it in the end, uh, seventy five dollars. No,

1031
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 1: I'm not that good of a negotiator, I get I

1032
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 1: ended up giving him. That's not bad, you know. I mean,

1033
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:10,799
Speaker 1: you got him down like seven fifty, that's not bad.

1034
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 1: I would have probably gone up a bit, but they

1035
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 1: kind of chickened out and thought I was gonna walk.

1036
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 1: And that's the key. Yeah, you're right. I'm so bad

1037
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 1: at that, dude. I need to be better. So that's

1038
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 1: the risk up. Well, listen, if I screw this up,

1039
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get no nothing. Yeah you're right. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1040
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 1: Well listen at Hardy follow him. Good to talk to you,

1041
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 1: man to man. Hopefully will listen. I won't see out

1042
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 1: anywhere because I don't go out, but other than that, yeah,

1043
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 1: i'll see you out there, all right,