1
00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:15,240
Speaker 1: Hi everyone, It's Sophia. Welcome to work in Progress. Hi

2
00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:19,720
Speaker 1: with smarties. I'm so so excited about the gal I'm

3
00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:23,160
Speaker 1: sitting down with today because not only is she, I think,

4
00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:25,960
Speaker 1: one of the voices of our generation as a writer

5
00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:29,960
Speaker 1: and a director, she happens to be a dear friend.

6
00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:33,600
Speaker 1: We have known each other for so long. Today's guest

7
00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:37,560
Speaker 1: is none other than writer and director of The Fallout

8
00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:42,519
Speaker 1: and her latest My Old Ass, Megan Park. You may

9
00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:46,000
Speaker 1: know Megan from her early days starring on the Secret

10
00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:49,360
Speaker 1: Life of the American Teenager. You also may know her

11
00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:51,880
Speaker 1: if you are a one Tree Health fan as Tyler

12
00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:58,880
Speaker 1: Hilton's incredible wife. She is truly one of the most earnest, passionate,

13
00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:02,240
Speaker 1: funny friends I have in my life, who happens to

14
00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:06,920
Speaker 1: write so openly that, even though every single one of

15
00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:10,360
Speaker 1: her stories is so unique and isn't something we've seen before,

16
00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:14,880
Speaker 1: every single person who watches her films feels reflected in them,

17
00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:18,560
Speaker 1: which is probably why they have such unbelievably high ratings

18
00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:22,000
Speaker 1: on Rotten Tomatoes. And Megan has made her latest film

19
00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:26,880
Speaker 1: with none other than producer extraordinary Margo Robbie. I can't

20
00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:29,720
Speaker 1: wait to ask her all about Sundance, all about writing,

21
00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:34,080
Speaker 1: how she finds each of these fascinating characters, and her

22
00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:37,440
Speaker 1: creative process in general. Let's dive in with Megan Park.

23
00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:53,200
Speaker 1: It is honestly, it's like so weird to talk about

24
00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:57,600
Speaker 1: work right now, but also kind of incredibly healing. Like

25
00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:01,800
Speaker 1: the week was really weird, and I had planned to

26
00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:04,840
Speaker 1: go to the Wicked premiere and I was like, I

27
00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:07,840
Speaker 1: don't know if I can. What do I We're going

28
00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:10,920
Speaker 1: to the movies, And then I was like, actually, the

29
00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,840
Speaker 1: movies are exactly where I want to be, and this

30
00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:18,480
Speaker 1: movie that's based or this movie that's based on a

31
00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:20,359
Speaker 1: play that was based on the movie that was written

32
00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:25,080
Speaker 1: in response to the Rise of Hitler actually feels like

33
00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:27,560
Speaker 1: exactly where I want to go. Like I got there

34
00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:30,160
Speaker 1: and I was like, we're here for like all the

35
00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:32,639
Speaker 1: musical theater people and all of the artists and all

36
00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:34,360
Speaker 1: of the gays and all of the witches that they

37
00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:37,880
Speaker 1: couldn't burn, Like this was the movie that I needed. Yeah,

38
00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:42,240
Speaker 1: and it really did. I felt like it really healed me.

39
00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:45,440
Speaker 1: And then I felt so good after having seen a

40
00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:50,200
Speaker 1: movie that the next night I watched your movie. I

41
00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:53,360
Speaker 1: was like, this is exactly what I needed again, So

42
00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:55,840
Speaker 1: I think I'm just going to become a film buff

43
00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:57,520
Speaker 1: for the next four years.

44
00:02:57,919 --> 00:02:59,680
Speaker 2: It's like I have this whole mentality when I go

45
00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:01,600
Speaker 2: in Stad where I'm like, I think it's really important

46
00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:04,600
Speaker 2: to remember that we're not saving lives like I tried,

47
00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:07,440
Speaker 2: you know, in terms of like we're not Yes, there's

48
00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:09,120
Speaker 2: going to be fires and things that go wrong, but

49
00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:12,280
Speaker 2: there's nothing that can't be solved. But it is interesting

50
00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:14,720
Speaker 2: because I have been thinking like post selection and just

51
00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:16,280
Speaker 2: whatever the state of the world. I'm like, well we

52
00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:19,600
Speaker 2: are art does save lives, you know, and it really

53
00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:22,440
Speaker 2: there is that gravity to it. Yeah, you can still

54
00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:25,080
Speaker 2: have that mentality on set of not like you know,

55
00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:29,400
Speaker 2: putting out fires with that kind of yeah, like prenetic mentality.

56
00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:32,400
Speaker 2: But I do feel like now, more than ever, it's

57
00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:35,280
Speaker 2: reaffirmed my belief that I'm like, oh, yeah, it's so

58
00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:38,120
Speaker 2: important to work the shit out and make art that

59
00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:42,240
Speaker 2: feels makes people feel seen, especially people that are trying

60
00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:46,200
Speaker 2: to be you know, stomped out of existence in America.

61
00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:51,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. What a weird what a weird time. Well, the

62
00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:55,280
Speaker 1: movie feels more important I think now than ever, and

63
00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:59,280
Speaker 1: for me, especially stories that you know, send her women

64
00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:01,480
Speaker 1: and are led by and feel so important. But before

65
00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:04,640
Speaker 1: we get into how you made this perfect film and

66
00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:06,640
Speaker 1: all of my questions about it, I actually want to

67
00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:10,400
Speaker 1: like rewind in a big way, which might be more

68
00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:14,200
Speaker 1: surreal for you than some people, because I wonder how

69
00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:19,200
Speaker 1: it'll make you think about your own family. We got

70
00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:24,280
Speaker 1: to know you as an actor so young. Ye, I'm

71
00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:27,520
Speaker 1: actually really curious if we go back even further, Like

72
00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:29,599
Speaker 1: if we could do what your movie does and you

73
00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:33,040
Speaker 1: could sit down with nine year old Megan, who would

74
00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:35,560
Speaker 1: she be? Was she a storyteller? Was she a performer?

75
00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:37,720
Speaker 1: Was she a bookworm?

76
00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:37,960
Speaker 2: Like?

77
00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:40,680
Speaker 1: Who's the little girl that you were? And do you

78
00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:44,240
Speaker 1: see how she turned into the adult.

79
00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:46,080
Speaker 2: That you are. I thought a little bit about this

80
00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:48,440
Speaker 2: because everybody keeps asking, you know, like would you want

81
00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:50,640
Speaker 2: to go back and you know, talk to your younger self?

82
00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:52,760
Speaker 2: Would you want to talk to your older self? And

83
00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:54,839
Speaker 2: I feel like me and Amazing and Aubrey have all

84
00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:57,560
Speaker 2: been like we rejacked the idea of going forward because

85
00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:00,240
Speaker 2: it gets too scary because after your older self, but

86
00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:03,279
Speaker 2: it would be so therapeutic. It feels like a therapy

87
00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:06,120
Speaker 2: exercise to go back and talk to your childhood self.

88
00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:10,520
Speaker 2: I think it's interesting because when you're from a small

89
00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:13,240
Speaker 2: town and you don't have anybody in your family who's

90
00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:17,080
Speaker 2: in the industry, but you have a desire to be

91
00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:20,520
Speaker 2: in the arts in some capacity, you end up a

92
00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:23,159
Speaker 2: theater camp. And I think that's sort of what happened

93
00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:24,839
Speaker 2: to me, is like, my dad was a dentist, my

94
00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:28,919
Speaker 2: mom was a teacher. Nobody was I didn't know. We

95
00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:30,680
Speaker 2: didn't have a TV in our house. The first time

96
00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:32,640
Speaker 2: I saw a movie in the theater, I was twelve.

97
00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:36,240
Speaker 2: Although they took us to tons of theater and tons

98
00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:39,240
Speaker 2: of ballet and the opera and things like that in Toronto,

99
00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:42,240
Speaker 2: I just TV in film was not really at the

100
00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:47,000
Speaker 2: forefront of like how I absorbed the arts, I guess,

101
00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:49,920
Speaker 2: but I ended up in theater camp and that led

102
00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:53,240
Speaker 2: to like being a full year round theater program, and

103
00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:55,159
Speaker 2: that led to me being like, Okay, I really like this.

104
00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:57,599
Speaker 2: And then you know, there's so many things that film

105
00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:01,120
Speaker 2: in Toronto that like need to hire Canadian people, and

106
00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:04,839
Speaker 2: so I started getting jobs. And when you have some

107
00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:07,200
Speaker 2: six set it becomes like a bit of a like

108
00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:09,400
Speaker 2: a you know, like okay, this is working, like this

109
00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:11,839
Speaker 2: is I'm having fun doing this. And I got to

110
00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:15,120
Speaker 2: meet so many incredible people that felt like my people

111
00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:18,320
Speaker 2: for the first time. This is when I was older.

112
00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:20,960
Speaker 2: I mean, my parents didn't let me start acting professionally

113
00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:23,200
Speaker 2: until I was sixteen or seventeen, which is young now

114
00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:26,200
Speaker 2: in hindsight, but I certainly wasn't doing it on a

115
00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:30,080
Speaker 2: professional level at nine. But I think that performing was

116
00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:33,600
Speaker 2: like the pathway to finding what I was meant to do,

117
00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:38,000
Speaker 2: which was writing and directing. But even and you'll probably

118
00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:40,880
Speaker 2: relate to this, like, really, I was in TV for

119
00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,760
Speaker 2: most of my acting career, and I was on a

120
00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:46,880
Speaker 2: lot of shows where creativity wasn't necessarily always at the

121
00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:50,640
Speaker 2: forefront of what was the most important thing. And a

122
00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:52,800
Speaker 2: lot of times, you know, after six or seven seasons

123
00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:56,400
Speaker 2: of a show, the actors are really running the set,

124
00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,159
Speaker 2: and so the directors would sweet some directors that would

125
00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:02,760
Speaker 2: come in and and have really exciting ideas and stuff.

126
00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:06,280
Speaker 2: But I never really saw the director in a lot

127
00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:09,080
Speaker 2: of situations as somebody who was getting to really be

128
00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:13,160
Speaker 2: super creative. So I never I look back, and I'm like,

129
00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:15,800
Speaker 2: that's so crazy that I never really want I had

130
00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:18,280
Speaker 2: end no desire. I never would have expected that I

131
00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:21,280
Speaker 2: would end up directing or writing. The writers were just

132
00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:23,160
Speaker 2: like we were on the sound stage in the lot,

133
00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:25,320
Speaker 2: they were in another area. We never really saw them.

134
00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:28,120
Speaker 2: It wasn't that type of a set where it was

135
00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:31,960
Speaker 2: a super like the writers were constantly there, you know,

136
00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:36,400
Speaker 2: throwing out dialogue. So it was very separate. And then

137
00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:38,320
Speaker 2: but I just absorbed so much. I mean I spent

138
00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:41,280
Speaker 2: like seven years making you know, twenty seven episodes of

139
00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:44,840
Speaker 2: TV show, a TV and a season, and I feel

140
00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:48,640
Speaker 2: so comfortable on a set, like I know everybody's role

141
00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:51,000
Speaker 2: inside and out, and worked with so many different types

142
00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:54,679
Speaker 2: of actors. So it was like this weird you know education,

143
00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:57,400
Speaker 2: but I'm not like a cinophile. Nobody in my family

144
00:07:57,600 --> 00:07:59,760
Speaker 2: was like I just saw Forrest Gump for the first time,

145
00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:04,320
Speaker 2: catching up on the classics, and so I was always like,

146
00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:08,680
Speaker 2: I can't direct, like I don't know anything. But yeah,

147
00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:11,400
Speaker 2: I think that acting it had to go the way

148
00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:14,440
Speaker 2: that it went because I never would have just I

149
00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:15,640
Speaker 2: never would have been like I'm going to go to

150
00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:18,280
Speaker 2: film school and I'm going to study cameras and lenses.

151
00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:20,880
Speaker 2: I would have it just wouldn't have interested me. But

152
00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:24,240
Speaker 2: once I found it through acting, I was like, oh,

153
00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:27,480
Speaker 2: this makes sense. In a way that acting, truthfully never has.

154
00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:31,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, do you think that why do you think that is?

155
00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:31,360
Speaker 2: Like?

156
00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:38,520
Speaker 1: Was was acting too small a project for you? Do

157
00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:42,320
Speaker 1: you think that directing gave you the full like the

158
00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:44,120
Speaker 1: full scope? This is going to sound so stupid. I

159
00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:45,840
Speaker 1: don't know why this just popped into my head, but

160
00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:48,920
Speaker 1: the image that I had when I did this, I

161
00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:52,040
Speaker 1: was like, I mactored like a piece of pizza and

162
00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:55,640
Speaker 1: then a whole pizza, Like you know, is directing just

163
00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:57,120
Speaker 1: more slices for you?

164
00:08:57,520 --> 00:08:59,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that there was. I thought a lot

165
00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:02,520
Speaker 2: about it because as I've been doing press, a big

166
00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:04,880
Speaker 2: press cycle for the first time because the Fallout came

167
00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:06,680
Speaker 2: out during the pandemic and I was able to not

168
00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:09,040
Speaker 2: have to really do any of that, I've been so

169
00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:12,200
Speaker 2: triggered again in the same way as an actor, which

170
00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:15,080
Speaker 2: is like getting my hair and makeup done, being in

171
00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:18,400
Speaker 2: fittings like that stuff is so it truly is like

172
00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:23,960
Speaker 2: it's not my favorite part of it. And I think that, Yeah,

173
00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:26,439
Speaker 2: I think that as an actor, I would watch my

174
00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:30,360
Speaker 2: peers be so driven to like get these roles. And

175
00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:33,200
Speaker 2: I remember shay Shane Woodley, who was on Secret Life

176
00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:36,560
Speaker 2: with me. She specifically that movie The Descendants that really

177
00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:38,400
Speaker 2: broke her out. She was so young, she was like

178
00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:41,439
Speaker 2: sixteen or seventeen, and she auditioned and like didn't even

179
00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:43,400
Speaker 2: get a call back, and she was like, no, like

180
00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:45,800
Speaker 2: I know, this is my part, and she went to

181
00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:48,439
Speaker 2: a new acting class and like fought to get a callback.

182
00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:52,640
Speaker 2: And I was kind of like just sort of there

183
00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:54,079
Speaker 2: for the ride, like I would be on side and

184
00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:56,360
Speaker 2: be like, this is fun, but there was nothing about

185
00:09:56,400 --> 00:10:01,079
Speaker 2: it was that felt like it was fulfilling to me creatively.

186
00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:02,760
Speaker 2: I was having a lot of fun doing it. I

187
00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:06,080
Speaker 2: was meeting really interesting people, I was having some success

188
00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:08,400
Speaker 2: doing it, but I really hated certain elements of it

189
00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:11,640
Speaker 2: as well, Like I really hated the hair and makeup trailer.

190
00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:16,480
Speaker 2: I hated fittings, Like I just didn't love that part

191
00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:19,160
Speaker 2: of it. And then truthfully, the first time I directed,

192
00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:21,360
Speaker 2: I was like, wait a second. I get to be

193
00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,000
Speaker 2: on set, which I love. I get to work with actors,

194
00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:27,120
Speaker 2: which I love. I get to work with other creatives

195
00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:30,240
Speaker 2: and be collaborative, which I love. And I don't have

196
00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:31,920
Speaker 2: to go through two hours of hair makeup in the

197
00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:34,079
Speaker 2: morning or ever do a fitting like I'm already this

198
00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:37,600
Speaker 2: is oh yeah, wait I love this so much. And

199
00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:39,480
Speaker 2: it's not that like, I don't know, shame on the

200
00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:40,800
Speaker 2: hair and makeup part of it. Maybe I'm just like

201
00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:42,560
Speaker 2: two insecure for that side of it. And I could

202
00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:47,040
Speaker 2: never ever put myself in one of my own projects.

203
00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:52,319
Speaker 2: You've always asked me, Yes, that's like my personal nightmare. God,

204
00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:55,320
Speaker 2: it's just something I'm I'm objective enough, you know.

205
00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:59,240
Speaker 1: It's really interesting. I have a friend who's such a

206
00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:02,680
Speaker 1: talented right now and such an amazing comedian, and he's

207
00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:04,640
Speaker 1: doing a show right now that he's also writing on

208
00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:10,160
Speaker 1: and he was like, Oh, this is really hard and

209
00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:12,600
Speaker 1: to do all of it, yeah, and to do it

210
00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:15,600
Speaker 1: at the same time because he obviously writes his comedy,

211
00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:18,559
Speaker 1: He's written his specials, right he writes them and then

212
00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:21,800
Speaker 1: he performs them. And he was saying that having I'm

213
00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:24,440
Speaker 1: a huge fan the best and he was just saying

214
00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:28,880
Speaker 1: that having to do both is like so hard. Yeah,

215
00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:32,839
Speaker 1: So I get that. It really made me think. And

216
00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:34,559
Speaker 1: not to say that it's in any way, shape or

217
00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:37,080
Speaker 1: form the same as I think it would be now.

218
00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:39,640
Speaker 1: But one of the things I think they did really

219
00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:41,640
Speaker 1: well for us when we were making One Tree Hill

220
00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:45,280
Speaker 1: is that when we finally started directing. They really would

221
00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:49,360
Speaker 1: do their best to kind of stack our scenes so

222
00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:51,920
Speaker 1: that we could do two heavy days of acting and

223
00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:55,080
Speaker 1: then we'd have seven days of just directing on set.

224
00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:57,800
Speaker 3: Right, And yeah, I can't.

225
00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:00,360
Speaker 1: Imagine like having to perform in a scene and then.

226
00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:01,640
Speaker 3: Be like, hold on, was that funny?

227
00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:03,800
Speaker 1: Let me rewrite my own lines right now on the fly,

228
00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:04,920
Speaker 1: like I would die.

229
00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:07,240
Speaker 2: I know. I think people that can do it, I

230
00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:10,120
Speaker 2: feel like it's it's so admirable because you really do

231
00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:13,520
Speaker 2: have to like really be removed from yourself and take

232
00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:16,040
Speaker 2: a step back, and I so admire people that can

233
00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:17,640
Speaker 2: do it, and a lot of people can do it

234
00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:21,560
Speaker 2: really well. For me, it's like I also I find

235
00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:24,840
Speaker 2: the actors that I cast become such muses to me,

236
00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:27,920
Speaker 2: and I'm just like too insecure to be my own muse.

237
00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:30,800
Speaker 2: Like you know what I mean, I can enny good

238
00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:31,400
Speaker 2: one began.

239
00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:34,440
Speaker 1: I don't know, you really nailed that, girl, pat yourself

240
00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:35,040
Speaker 1: on the back.

241
00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:37,840
Speaker 2: And nailed it. But yeah, it does take the ability

242
00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:39,760
Speaker 2: to switch brains, and I think I just turned off

243
00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:41,520
Speaker 2: the acting side of my brain too. I don't miss

244
00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:44,520
Speaker 2: it yet. Maybe someday I will, but I just don't

245
00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:45,679
Speaker 2: miss it. I don't miss it yet.

246
00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:48,120
Speaker 3: Wow, you know what's funny.

247
00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:52,200
Speaker 1: I I don't think I let myself miss it. I

248
00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:54,560
Speaker 1: think we did One Tree Hill for so long, and

249
00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:56,680
Speaker 1: I wonder if you felt this way it was secret life,

250
00:12:57,160 --> 00:12:59,839
Speaker 1: Like we did it for so so long that I

251
00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:02,840
Speaker 1: looking back, there's like certain projects I did on hiatus

252
00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:04,440
Speaker 1: that I never should have, but I was just so

253
00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:07,400
Speaker 1: desperate to like do anything else that I was like,

254
00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:09,000
Speaker 1: I don't even care if the script isn't that good.

255
00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:10,920
Speaker 1: It's the only movie that shoots in the days that

256
00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:14,000
Speaker 1: I'm off. And then it was like I jumped into

257
00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:16,880
Speaker 1: a show. Immediately I went onto Partners, and then immediately

258
00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:19,480
Speaker 1: I went onto PD. Like I did not take a

259
00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:24,000
Speaker 1: break for fifteen years, dangs, And now I've kind of

260
00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:29,240
Speaker 1: allowed myself to take time in between things, and like

261
00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:31,400
Speaker 1: the strike forced us all to take time.

262
00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:32,959
Speaker 3: But even this year, I.

263
00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:35,240
Speaker 1: Had these two movies planned and then one had to

264
00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:37,760
Speaker 1: shift because you know what it's like with production and

265
00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:42,880
Speaker 1: locations and whatever. And the space I got in the

266
00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:46,680
Speaker 1: shift actually was such a gift to me. And now

267
00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:49,360
Speaker 1: I'm doing this fun thing on grays and like I

268
00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:50,120
Speaker 1: went to set.

269
00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:51,680
Speaker 3: And I was like, oh my god, acting is so.

270
00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:55,880
Speaker 1: Fun, And it had only been three months in between

271
00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:58,960
Speaker 1: the movie wrapping and the show. But I find that

272
00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:04,280
Speaker 1: my bounce back into really enjoying what we do on

273
00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:06,880
Speaker 1: set is faster and faster than it used to be.

274
00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:09,520
Speaker 1: So I do wonder if you'll find that.

275
00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:13,320
Speaker 2: I think so. And I think also, these projects take

276
00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:16,760
Speaker 2: so long that it feels like you get as I'm

277
00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:19,480
Speaker 2: you know, now, I'm already like I started a new

278
00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:22,640
Speaker 2: project this week, and I'm already, you know, fifty pages

279
00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:25,200
Speaker 2: into my next film. But you do have these I mean,

280
00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:27,240
Speaker 2: we shot this movie almost three years ago or three

281
00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:30,760
Speaker 2: years ago, and so it takes so long that and

282
00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:32,640
Speaker 2: so much of it for me is in the writing

283
00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:35,600
Speaker 2: of it, like in before you're ever even on set. Yeah,

284
00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:38,120
Speaker 2: so it feels like it's yeah, there's a sense of completion,

285
00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:40,320
Speaker 2: you know, and you do get to kind of breathe

286
00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:41,680
Speaker 2: through it and really see it, and once you put

287
00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:43,200
Speaker 2: it out in the world, it already feels like it's

288
00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:46,080
Speaker 2: in my brain. I've already moved on to the next

289
00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:49,000
Speaker 2: creative thing. And I spend so much time in that

290
00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:51,720
Speaker 2: quiet space. I'm not sitting in my computer writing every day.

291
00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:54,720
Speaker 2: I'm that's not at all my process, Like I spend

292
00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:57,760
Speaker 2: so much time just kind of living and thinking about

293
00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:00,920
Speaker 2: the characters and just figure out what the next story

294
00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:02,240
Speaker 2: I want to tell is. And I think that's why

295
00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:05,240
Speaker 2: I've been so like passionate about the things that I

296
00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:07,280
Speaker 2: have been able to work on, because it's I've had

297
00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:08,760
Speaker 2: that room to breathe in between.

298
00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:09,960
Speaker 3: I love that.

299
00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:12,400
Speaker 1: And now a word from our sponsors who make the

300
00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:13,240
Speaker 1: show possible.

301
00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:25,080
Speaker 3: How did that start for you?

302
00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:25,640
Speaker 2: Like?

303
00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:31,520
Speaker 1: How did you go from TV? You know, set life,

304
00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:34,880
Speaker 1: actor life. Where did the writing come from? How did

305
00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:36,880
Speaker 1: you know that this is where you wanted to go?

306
00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:42,440
Speaker 2: I didn't really, but truthfully I don't. I'm feeling I'm

307
00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:45,120
Speaker 2: figuring out my own brain, still in my writer brain.

308
00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:48,560
Speaker 2: But I worked with this actress writer director named Zoe

309
00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:52,640
Speaker 2: Kazan who's very talented, and we played sisters, and I

310
00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:54,960
Speaker 2: just was so obsessed with her and looked up to

311
00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:56,240
Speaker 2: her so much, and I thought she was like the

312
00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:59,880
Speaker 2: smartest person I'd ever met. She's very smart and very cool.

313
00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:03,000
Speaker 2: And I was just coming Secret Life had been canceled,

314
00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:05,200
Speaker 2: but we were still had to film like ten episodes

315
00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:07,440
Speaker 2: or whatever, and so for the first time I was

316
00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:09,760
Speaker 2: kind of thinking about what was next, and I had

317
00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:11,680
Speaker 2: this idea about a show that I want to write

318
00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:14,120
Speaker 2: about this child, this girl who was like, you know,

319
00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:17,440
Speaker 2: almost thirty, who was playing like a fourteen year old

320
00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:19,320
Speaker 2: on a Disney show, who was just always like high

321
00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:21,520
Speaker 2: out of her mind. It was called Calver Collins Is High.

322
00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:24,440
Speaker 2: And I was pitching it to Zoe as an idea

323
00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:27,000
Speaker 2: and she was like, you should write it, and it

324
00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:29,400
Speaker 2: was just literally I knew she was so smart and

325
00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:32,720
Speaker 2: so talented. Her even thinking that I could do it,

326
00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:34,440
Speaker 2: it was like a light bulb went off in my head.

327
00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:37,000
Speaker 2: Nobody had ever said to me before, like have you

328
00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:38,280
Speaker 2: ever thought about it? I don't know. I just had

329
00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:41,000
Speaker 2: never had anybody that I believed in so much believe

330
00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:44,160
Speaker 2: in me in that way. And I remember she kind

331
00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:46,080
Speaker 2: of read the first draft of it and thought it

332
00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:48,520
Speaker 2: was really great, and I ended up just sending it

333
00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:51,040
Speaker 2: to my agents and everybody, of course, was like, we

334
00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:53,520
Speaker 2: love how There's there's no structure to this show, like

335
00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:55,560
Speaker 2: it's just very and I was like, because I don't

336
00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:57,280
Speaker 2: know what I'm doing, I don't know how, I don't

337
00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:01,520
Speaker 2: know how to write act breaks or anything. But I

338
00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:04,280
Speaker 2: end up CBS ended up buying it and we actually

339
00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:06,560
Speaker 2: went through sort of like they hired a showrunner and

340
00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:09,520
Speaker 2: I learned a lot. It never got made, but it

341
00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:14,119
Speaker 2: was immediately I was like, oh, this is so therapeutic

342
00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:16,240
Speaker 2: for me to write. I didn't even think about directing

343
00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:18,240
Speaker 2: it at that point, but just the writing process was

344
00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:21,879
Speaker 2: so fun for me, and I knew then that I

345
00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:24,399
Speaker 2: was like, I'm going to write forever, whether people are

346
00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:25,959
Speaker 2: reader it or not, Like this is something that I

347
00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:28,520
Speaker 2: can't not do. This is for me, Like this is

348
00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:34,320
Speaker 2: just so personal. And then that didn't get made, and

349
00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:36,720
Speaker 2: the fallout was something that I'd been thinking about. I

350
00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:39,639
Speaker 2: was still acting and just like taking like whatever kind

351
00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:42,200
Speaker 2: of roles came my way. And I was in Vancouver

352
00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:46,600
Speaker 2: at the Sutton Place, like film something I just couldn't

353
00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:49,880
Speaker 2: stop thinking about. I mean, obviously, unfortunately there wasn't one

354
00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:53,840
Speaker 2: specific event, but I started thinking about just the reality

355
00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:55,840
Speaker 2: of being a teenager in an American and going to

356
00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:58,840
Speaker 2: school every day. And I grew up, of course, like

357
00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:01,160
Speaker 2: a millennial and going to school in Canada, and I

358
00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:04,440
Speaker 2: never ever felt scared. I never felt scared going to school,

359
00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:07,640
Speaker 2: not once, never even entered my mind. And I think

360
00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:09,359
Speaker 2: I was starting to think about having kids and I

361
00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:11,760
Speaker 2: was like, well, fuck, like this is just I can't

362
00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:14,240
Speaker 2: believe this is actually a reality. I would for sure

363
00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:16,479
Speaker 2: not be able to go to school every day if

364
00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:18,440
Speaker 2: I was sixteen right now, Like I just knowing who

365
00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:22,240
Speaker 2: I am, I couldn't do it. And I just kind

366
00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:24,440
Speaker 2: of started thinking about how can I talk about this

367
00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:27,160
Speaker 2: in a way that's palatable, because it was so triggering

368
00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:29,760
Speaker 2: to me, Like I have a really hard time, you know,

369
00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:33,880
Speaker 2: watching stories about gun violence and school shootings, but yet

370
00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:35,920
Speaker 2: I felt like there hadn't been this story about kind

371
00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:40,800
Speaker 2: of somebody who wasn't directly affected by it necessarily, but

372
00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:44,760
Speaker 2: was obviously, you know, greatly affected by it. And so

373
00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:47,960
Speaker 2: just this veda character was very much a part of me,

374
00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:50,560
Speaker 2: and it was just a story that I wanted to tell.

375
00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:54,840
Speaker 2: And maybe it was nice that I am a millennial

376
00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:56,679
Speaker 2: and I am Canadian and had the sort of like

377
00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:59,440
Speaker 2: a removed perspective on it in a sense that helped

378
00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:02,480
Speaker 2: me to kind of of tap into that in some way.

379
00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:04,560
Speaker 2: But I talked to a lot of people who had

380
00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:07,359
Speaker 2: been through Beta's experience. I talked to a lot of

381
00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:09,399
Speaker 2: people involved with every town and did a lot of

382
00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:11,040
Speaker 2: research and had a lot of people read it and

383
00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:13,920
Speaker 2: give me notes and feedback, and unfortunately, there's so many

384
00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:18,440
Speaker 2: people who who could give perspective into this story, and

385
00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:21,239
Speaker 2: it was important to me to make it, you know,

386
00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:23,720
Speaker 2: not triggering for people who had been through that experience.

387
00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:26,679
Speaker 2: But once I thought about it and talked about it

388
00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:29,479
Speaker 2: so much, I wrote it in like a week or

389
00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:33,000
Speaker 2: maybe two weeks. It came really, really really fast because

390
00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:35,359
Speaker 2: I knew who all the people were, and it was

391
00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:37,119
Speaker 2: the same with mild Ass. Soon as I figure out

392
00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:40,679
Speaker 2: the characters, then everything just kind of flows. I never

393
00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:42,919
Speaker 2: write an outline and never like do anything like that.

394
00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:44,760
Speaker 2: I'm just kind of like, Okay, I know the people,

395
00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:46,960
Speaker 2: and now I can just sit and write a scene

396
00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:50,360
Speaker 2: and their voices will kind of come to me. But yeah,

397
00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:52,640
Speaker 2: that was sort of like the prime and then I yeah,

398
00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:54,919
Speaker 2: two weeks and then somebody wanted to make it. We

399
00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:56,640
Speaker 2: made it for a million dollars, which I was like,

400
00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:58,520
Speaker 2: that's so much money to make a movie. And then

401
00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:01,520
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, that's not a lot of You're.

402
00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:05,920
Speaker 1: Like, actually, when there's a whole giant set and locations

403
00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:08,480
Speaker 1: and rentals and transfer and gas you have to buy

404
00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:11,320
Speaker 1: for the transfer cars and the.

405
00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:13,120
Speaker 3: People and like a lot like The Office.

406
00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:15,960
Speaker 1: It suddenly you realize when you employ that many people,

407
00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:17,879
Speaker 1: you're building a world goes fast.

408
00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:21,280
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean we shot that movie in like fifteen days,

409
00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:23,600
Speaker 2: I think, and we edited it and not even thirty

410
00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:25,439
Speaker 2: And I thought that was normal because it's just the

411
00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:29,840
Speaker 2: first time I'd directed something, but you know, it was

412
00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:31,960
Speaker 2: it was also really special to have such a small,

413
00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:34,679
Speaker 2: yeah crew like we had. It made it like a

414
00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:36,920
Speaker 2: really intimate, cool experience.

415
00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:38,840
Speaker 1: Which I think you can feel and the movie feels

416
00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:41,720
Speaker 1: so intimate, and I think for the subject matter of

417
00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:45,879
Speaker 1: The Fallout, that probably enabled people to feel a little

418
00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:50,080
Speaker 1: like safer to be open. What what was it like then,

419
00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:54,320
Speaker 1: because that film was, I mean a such an amazing film,

420
00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:57,440
Speaker 1: be so critically acclaimed, like it brings all the attention

421
00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:00,879
Speaker 1: and all the things and puts you in front of

422
00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:04,840
Speaker 1: so many people. How was the process different with my

423
00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:05,520
Speaker 1: old ass?

424
00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:10,120
Speaker 2: It was? It was so different because I mean, yeah,

425
00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:14,800
Speaker 2: we took The Fallout to south By and won, you know,

426
00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:18,199
Speaker 2: the Grand Jury Award, and we won the Audience Favorite,

427
00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:20,800
Speaker 2: and also I won the Directing Award and I was

428
00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,760
Speaker 2: at home and the festival director called me because it

429
00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:26,800
Speaker 2: was you know, twenty twenty one. Everything was virtual. She

430
00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:29,080
Speaker 2: was like congratulations, you know you won, and it was like,

431
00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,399
Speaker 2: thank you, and then I hung up the phone and

432
00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:32,720
Speaker 2: went back to doing whatever.

433
00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:36,119
Speaker 3: I just like finished my laundry.

434
00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I yeah, Whennie had just been born, my daughter,

435
00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:42,560
Speaker 2: and so yeah, it was a very very removed. I

436
00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:44,679
Speaker 2: like still don't feel like I made that movie and

437
00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:46,240
Speaker 2: it went out into the world like it's still shocks

438
00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:47,680
Speaker 2: and we were like the Fall and I still have

439
00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:49,520
Speaker 2: never seen that movie on the big screen with the

440
00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:53,199
Speaker 2: cast or an audience, which is also so surreal. The

441
00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:56,800
Speaker 2: whole thing was really really removed, but also kind of

442
00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,199
Speaker 2: freeing because I got to just I really was like

443
00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:01,560
Speaker 2: just so not in my head about it because I

444
00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:03,480
Speaker 2: was like, no, no one's going to see this movie. And

445
00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:05,800
Speaker 2: then HBO Max bought it and people saw, which was

446
00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,680
Speaker 2: really exciting. And then this time I was definitely having

447
00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,320
Speaker 2: like sophomore album anxiety because I was like, oh, fuck,

448
00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,199
Speaker 2: like this feels it was out of sort of the

449
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:17,200
Speaker 2: COVID of it all. The set experience was really different.

450
00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:21,040
Speaker 2: We had like big time producers. I felt like there

451
00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:23,640
Speaker 2: was more eyes on me to you know, succeed or fail.

452
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:27,080
Speaker 2: But luckily again I've got so lucky with the group

453
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,960
Speaker 2: of people we were making it with where like creativity

454
00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:32,840
Speaker 2: was I was so protected from the bullshit of everything.

455
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,040
Speaker 2: And we got to film it like in this small

456
00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:37,159
Speaker 2: town in Canada on a lake and we were like

457
00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:40,720
Speaker 2: voting to the boating to base camp and it was

458
00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:43,280
Speaker 2: just it was very disarming, I think for everybody. So

459
00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:47,720
Speaker 2: it was a really like incredible experience on set, and

460
00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:50,199
Speaker 2: then it was so I think it really honestly all

461
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:53,680
Speaker 2: hit me at Sunbance opening it, which Hillary was there

462
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:57,280
Speaker 2: with job, which was so sweet. But to sit there

463
00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:59,160
Speaker 2: in an audience and it was like a packed theater.

464
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:00,760
Speaker 2: It was the biggest theater. I don't even know how

465
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:02,000
Speaker 2: many people it was. I think it was like close

466
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:05,159
Speaker 2: to a thousand or something, insane. And to have the

467
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:06,919
Speaker 2: movie start and then then being like you have to

468
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 2: like go out and introduce it and you know, go

469
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,600
Speaker 2: on stage afterwards, it's like, oh my god, people are

470
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:15,199
Speaker 2: going to see this, which felt so it was terrifying.

471
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,399
Speaker 2: It was probably the most top five terrifying moments of

472
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 2: my life for sure, that that first thirty seconds of

473
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,400
Speaker 2: the film starting and then we got a laugh and

474
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 2: like part of me relaxed. I was like, Okay, here

475
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 2: we go, and then the roller coaster since then has

476
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:30,760
Speaker 2: just been it's like amazing, it's it's been surreal. And

477
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,200
Speaker 2: everybody kept saying, you know, this is a sundance experience,

478
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,600
Speaker 2: and people dream about having like soak it up, you know,

479
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,720
Speaker 2: to be in the middle of a bidding war and

480
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 2: having it was just the whole thing was I mean,

481
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,720
Speaker 2: it was insane. It's hard to metabolize moments like that.

482
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 2: You know, it's really crazy.

483
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:51,960
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, where do you do you now being

484
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 1: not exactly on the other side of the process, but

485
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 1: you're at the point where now it's out in the world. Yeah,

486
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,680
Speaker 1: you know, And you talk about you filmed this movie

487
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,880
Speaker 1: three years ago, you know, up on a tiny lake

488
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 1: in Canada, like it was so removed and now it's everywhere.

489
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 1: Do you feel like you have a different perspective on

490
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:12,920
Speaker 1: where the idea for the movie even came from.

491
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:17,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I feel like I don't know what parts

492
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:21,400
Speaker 2: of myself I'm figuring out while I'm writing until much

493
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 2: later in the process, or I'm seeing certain parts of

494
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 2: myself in different characters every step of the way, And

495
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 2: I think it's yeah, I mean, so much of my

496
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 2: life has changed too since I made the movie, Like

497
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:38,200
Speaker 2: I had a second kid, I lost my dad really

498
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,679
Speaker 2: tragically and unexpectedly. So the movie definitely has like a

499
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 2: whole new meaning to me in a way that I

500
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,919
Speaker 2: never could have expected or you know whatever. But I

501
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 2: think that, yeah, it's interesting even it felt like such

502
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 2: a moment in time. And really that movie had nothing

503
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,359
Speaker 2: to do with the idea initially of talking to your older,

504
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 2: younger self or doing the mushrooms. No, it was really like,

505
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,880
Speaker 2: there's two moments in the film. One is the idea

506
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 2: that there was a last time you played pretend with

507
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 2: your friends and you didn't know it was the last

508
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 2: time you played pretend, And like, how sad that made me.

509
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:18,199
Speaker 2: It was that idea, and also that led to me

510
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 2: thinking like I was home during the pandemic and I

511
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:23,680
Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, there was one night when

512
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:27,119
Speaker 2: my family as a nuclear family before like my sister

513
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 2: moved off uent University or this, and that change that

514
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:33,200
Speaker 2: we all slept here under this roof for the last

515
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 2: time and we didn't know that it was god like

516
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 2: as that you know, before things changed. And that thought

517
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:41,199
Speaker 2: made me so sad and I was like fuck like,

518
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 2: and then I started thinking, if you know it's the

519
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 2: last time for me, I would it would definitely ruin it,

520
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:48,879
Speaker 2: like I am somebody. I would be like no, like

521
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be able to enjoy it. Yeah, And that

522
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:53,720
Speaker 2: sort of snowballed into this idea of like how much

523
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 2: do you want to know about the past and the

524
00:25:56,359 --> 00:26:00,680
Speaker 2: future and and is there some sort of full ignorance

525
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 2: and like not knowing this something is the last time?

526
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 2: Or or is it nice to be able to savor it?

527
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 2: And just that kind of thought had me spitballing on

528
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 2: just that conversation. But really I was writing the movie

529
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:16,119
Speaker 2: very much from like old ass's perspective, and I had

530
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 2: just become a mom, and I think so much of

531
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:21,119
Speaker 2: this movie was like me reflecting on my childhood and

532
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 2: like you start to think about what kind of world

533
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,199
Speaker 2: do you want to curate for your own children? And

534
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 2: I started thinking about this beautiful place in Canada that

535
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:30,680
Speaker 2: I grew up in that I was so excited to leave,

536
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:32,160
Speaker 2: and then I came back and I was like, it's

537
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 2: so magical here. Why did I ever want to leave?

538
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:39,160
Speaker 2: So it was it was those feelings really that set

539
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 2: the tone like for me wanting to explore this weirdly,

540
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 2: like that was really the core of the whole movie

541
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 2: for me, and then everything else was just like an

542
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:51,119
Speaker 2: avenue to explore that again in a palatable way, like

543
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:55,719
Speaker 2: it's kind of a heavy, heavy thought, but I was like,

544
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 2: how can I how can I make this not so dark?

545
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 1: But the interesting thing is the idea of lasts and

546
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 1: you know, the stuff you can't wait to leave and

547
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:11,160
Speaker 1: then how much you miss it, Like they're so universal,

548
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:13,639
Speaker 1: you know that obviously what happens in the film is

549
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,679
Speaker 1: very specific. This group of friends that decides on one

550
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:18,919
Speaker 1: of their last weekends to you know, have a slumber

551
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 1: party and take mushrooms. Like maybe not everyone's had that experience,

552
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 1: but I think the themes of the film are so universal.

553
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:33,479
Speaker 1: We've all felt that sort of longing to leave the

554
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 1: nest and then the craving for the nest. And I

555
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:39,679
Speaker 1: don't know, there's so much I want to talk to

556
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 1: you about in the movie, but that I don't feel

557
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,159
Speaker 1: like I can talk about on the podcast because I

558
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,199
Speaker 1: don't want to give anything away. But what has it

559
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:50,640
Speaker 1: been like for you to see audience reactions? Because I'm

560
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 1: imagining you get some pretty emotional feedback. The movie is

561
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 1: so funny, and the second the second sort of fantasy sequence.

562
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,360
Speaker 3: I was cackling.

563
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 1: It's such an uplifting film, but it does deal with

564
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 1: like some really you know, raw emotional ideas. So what

565
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: does feedback look like for you.

566
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,919
Speaker 2: I've had a lot of people sob to my face,

567
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 2: you know, like it's a lot of people which is

568
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 2: so beautiful, and it's almost like it's a huge responsibility.

569
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:29,119
Speaker 2: You know, people have been really moved by the film,

570
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 2: which you don't ever at least I don't ever think about,

571
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,360
Speaker 2: Like you don't even want to put your hopes there.

572
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 2: I wasn't trying to write something. You know, it's almost

573
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 2: too scary to think that anyone's going to even have

574
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 2: any reaction to anything you make. That's like too scary

575
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 2: a hope to have to be let down by that.

576
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 2: I think you think about jokes working or not working

577
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 2: because that's easier to try to nail. But the emotional stuff,

578
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 2: like you really and in the edit too, you can

579
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 2: kind of get a feel for the comedy of what's

580
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 2: working and what's not. But you really are just so

581
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 2: insulated in that process that you do not know how

582
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 2: that's going to hit people until you're in your real

583
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 2: first big screening like Sun Dance, but to hear people

584
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 2: actually during the there's a moment at the end that

585
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 2: I don't want to spoil, but there's like quite an

586
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 2: emotional moment, and there was it was so quiet that

587
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 2: I started getting nervous as something wasn't working. And then

588
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 2: I looked around and I saw people going like this,

589
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 2: and I thought, oh my god, people are laughing, and

590
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 2: I started freaking because I was like, oh, oh no,

591
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 2: this is like the pinnacle of the movie and if

592
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 2: this moment doesn't hit like, we've failed, we fucked up.

593
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 2: And then I realized that people were crying so hard

594
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 2: that it looked like they were like laughing, like they

595
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 2: were were eaving sobbing. And then it started to really

596
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 2: hit me. I was like, oh my god, this is

597
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 2: not fake. This is not like, oh, you know, sniffle,

598
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 2: people are being so gutturally, not everybody, but you could see,

599
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 2: you know, a lot of people really really really moved,

600
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 2: and it was again quite shocking and hard to metabolize.

601
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 2: And one of the most interesting things is we keep

602
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 2: joking about this, but it is not you know, it's amazing,

603
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 2: it's beautiful. But old men have fucking been destroyed by

604
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 2: this movie. Like men over sixty, I swear to God,

605
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 2: have the most viscerally emotional reactions to this movie because

606
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 2: I think there's something about regret and time specifically for

607
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 2: old men that really hits them in this film. And

608
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 2: we would never in a billion years like even think

609
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 2: to target. I'm like, to me, I'm making a movie,

610
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 2: and I'm like, if men like it, cool, but who cares,

611
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 2: Like that's not who I'm making movies for, so whatever,

612
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 2: But old men have really been fucking moved by this movie,

613
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 2: which has been really interesting to see and it's also

614
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 2: cool to see. There's such different takeaways for people. Like

615
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 2: when we tested the movie, young people really related to

616
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 2: the younger characters and definitely understood the bigger feelings of

617
00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 2: like nostalgia and time passing, but they definitely had a

618
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 2: different takeaway than people who are sort of the old

619
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 2: asses as we would call them, the people over you know,

620
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 2: thirty five. I think that feeling of time becoming sort

621
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 2: of your worst enemy, that's really your only enemy as

622
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 2: you get older is time in so many ways, and

623
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 2: that was I think a big, really interesting takeaway for

624
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 2: the older audiences. But it's been really beautiful. And when

625
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 2: people come up and say, you know, I called my mom,

626
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 2: I called my dad, you know, I apologize my parents

627
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 2: were being such an asshole when I was younger, things

628
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 2: like that. It's really it's really beautiful and so surreal,

629
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 2: so surreal to see somebody like move to tears. It's insane.

630
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I wept no shock there.

631
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 2: Now. I've had many friends send me these voice notes

632
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 2: after the movie and they're like, they can't even they

633
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 2: can't even breathe. Their crimes are and I never know

634
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 2: where there to be. It is like amazing. It's so

635
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 2: cool to hear people so moved. But you're also like,

636
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I didn't mean to like fuck you up.

637
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 2: So it's so hard, but it's I know, my bad.

638
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 1: And now a word from our sponsors. When you talk

639
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 1: about how you wrote it, you know you relate so much,

640
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 1: obviously to Aubrey's character, to the older of these two women.

641
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 1: If you ever had the opportunity to go back and

642
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 1: talk to your seventeen year old self, what do you

643
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: think you would say.

644
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 2: I would say some things that I couldn't say on

645
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 2: this podcast that I would say.

646
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 3: To you, love it.

647
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 1: You and I both can't wait to talk about it

648
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 1: in an hour.

649
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 2: I think you could probably know all of them. I

650
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 2: think I would try to encourage myself to live more

651
00:32:53,120 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 2: consciously and to be more aware that life doesn't necessarily

652
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:05,479
Speaker 2: have to happen to you, like you can make things happen.

653
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 2: I feel like I was almost late to kind of

654
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 2: become alert and become aware, and I was just sort

655
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 2: of following whatever kind of came to me. And I

656
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 2: wish that I could sort of like wake myself up

657
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 2: a little bit and be like, life, whatever you want

658
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 2: to have happened in life, you can make have happened.

659
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 2: Life isn't happening to you. And I was really inspired

660
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 2: by Mazie because she and a lot of younger people

661
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 2: that I've worked with, they are so alert and aware

662
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 2: and so conscious, and she and also so blissfully young

663
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 2: and naive in so many beautiful ways. I think the

664
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 2: movie touches on it's like this bravery that young people have,

665
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 2: but it was really cool to I was just not

666
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 2: like that at her age, Like it was amazing working

667
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 2: with her and she was already kind of like, oh,

668
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 2: you know, like my mom and really like connected with

669
00:33:58,360 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 2: those feelings of like, I don't want to be an

670
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:01,959
Speaker 2: asshole my mom and time is going by so quickly

671
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 2: and really knows what she wants and is like going

672
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 2: after it. And it was really inspiring and beautiful to

673
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 2: work with so many young people who already have that,

674
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:11,399
Speaker 2: and it made me wish I could go back, and

675
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 2: I wish like a seventeen year old we could hang

676
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 2: out with seventeen year old Mazy and be inspired by

677
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:16,800
Speaker 2: that energy.

678
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,320
Speaker 1: Yes, I totally get that, you know, even you saying

679
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: that you wish you could tell your younger self that

680
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 1: you can be a little more in control. I feel

681
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,799
Speaker 1: like I've intellectually understood that that was true. I don't

682
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 1: think I've understood that that was true for me until

683
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 1: the last I don't know, twelve eighteen months. Maybe, Yeah,

684
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 1: like I realize that, and it's even a thing I

685
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:52,240
Speaker 1: like about myself. I My reaction is often to serve,

686
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 1: to be in community, to gather, to want to, you know,

687
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 1: create goodness in the face of things that are. But

688
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: I've really thought a lot this year about, well, what

689
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 1: if it wasn't so reactive, and what if I shifted

690
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 1: into more proactivity, Like what if I cared about my

691
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 1: own life the way I care about everyone else's lives.

692
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 2: You know, yes, no, it's exactly that I mean. And

693
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 2: you know it's so funny is everyone's notes to me

694
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 2: always in scripts, are your lead characters aren't active enough?

695
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:29,760
Speaker 2: They're so reactive? They always tell me that, and I'm like, well,

696
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 2: that's part of the journey. But yeah, I feel the

697
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 2: same way, like I say, you don't say yeah, and

698
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 2: I think that's I don't know if it's like also

699
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 2: our generation. I hate to like say, are but there wasn't.

700
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 2: I don't know. I felt like, especially being an actor

701
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,359
Speaker 2: and just being a young woman at the time that

702
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 2: we were, and I don't know, really like in that position,

703
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 2: I never felt like I could say anything like I

704
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 2: was just I was just there and people were telling

705
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,240
Speaker 2: you what to do, and it was not the vibe

706
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 2: to even have an opinion. So maybe that's why I

707
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 2: didn't let myself go there.

708
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 1: Well, what I also think is sort of wild is

709
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: at least for me, I'm like, oh, I had plenty

710
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:15,839
Speaker 1: of opinions, but it was.

711
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:16,399
Speaker 3: Always a fight.

712
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 1: It was always so hard to even be heard that

713
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 1: the idea that you could fight for more than just

714
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 1: being heard, not even necessarily being listened to, but the

715
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,760
Speaker 1: idea that you could take control and write a narrative

716
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:35,919
Speaker 1: for yourself. Like it never, it didn't cross my mind

717
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: for so long.

718
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,320
Speaker 2: No, I think it's just crossing my mind right now. Actually,

719
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 2: as we're having these conversations good morning, I just look up.

720
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 2: Yeah I know, No, it's I mean, and yeah, it's

721
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 2: it's it changes so much. I actually this thought as

722
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 2: I was driving the other day because I've realized, like

723
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 2: you were saying, sort of your go to is to serve,

724
00:36:56,360 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 2: and now my go to as I'm processing some many

725
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 2: crazy changes in my life and different things, is like I immediately,

726
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 2: instead of dealing with them myself, I like create a

727
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 2: character or multiple characters that are all pieces of me,

728
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 2: and I like come up with a story that is

729
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 2: not a direct reflection of what I'm trying to figure out,

730
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 2: and then I work out what I'm going through through

731
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 2: that story, which is what I've done in both of

732
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 2: my movies and when I look back on it, but

733
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:25,359
Speaker 2: I was like, what is what do other people do?

734
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 2: Because I'm like, if I didn't have this, if I

735
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 2: didn't have this ability to write and create these characters

736
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 2: and have these conversations that I want to be having

737
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 2: with people secretly, you know, with two other people, or

738
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 2: about something else. But it's really about what I want

739
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 2: to talk about. Yeah, layered in, I don't know what

740
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,800
Speaker 2: I would do because it's like the only coping mechanism

741
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 2: in so many ways, maybe the healthiest coping mechanism that

742
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 2: I have.

743
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 1: I think yours is a really good one. Like I

744
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 1: have not known what to do with myself for a week,

745
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 1: and so yesterday I spent six hours that my storage

746
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: in it like cleaning out, making donation piles, organizing. Right,

747
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 1: I was like I needed a tactile, physical thing, and

748
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, god, it would be so cool if instead

749
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 1: I just wrote myself a movie.

750
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 2: I mean, let's do that. No, that's what I do.

751
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,439
Speaker 2: It's it's but it's so yeah, it's a you could

752
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 2: totally do that. You could totally do that. I believe

753
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 2: that you could. We can do that together. But yeah,

754
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 2: it's really it's an interesting And I also like, literally

755
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 2: as I'm writing, I will put on one song on

756
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 2: repeat for like thousands of times, and it helps me

757
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 2: to just like literally go into another dimension and like

758
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 2: figure shit out, and then I like, what was your

759
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 2: song for my old best It's it's so so random

760
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 2: that I don't think anyone knows it besides Macie. I've

761
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 2: never said it. Okay, I'll tell you if you want.

762
00:38:57,880 --> 00:38:59,839
Speaker 2: It's not like that embarrassing. It's a good song.

763
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 3: I mean, he's up to you. If you want it

764
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 3: out in the.

765
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 2: World, I'll put it on in the world. Okay. So

766
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 2: I mad respect to this artist. I actually I think

767
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 2: it's the only song of hers I have on my playlist.

768
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 2: I don't know how it came into my stratosphere. I

769
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 2: don't know how it got on there. And I don't

770
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 2: even know why it was this song because there's nothing

771
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 2: to do with the movie at all. It was The

772
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 2: Bones by Maren Morris. Oh my god, love great song.

773
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 2: But just like how random is that I would put

774
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 2: on the Bones and I would write for I mean,

775
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 2: I listened that song thousands. There was also a few

776
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 2: like later on that came in like it was sometimes changed,

777
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 2: but I remember initially and I would always screenshot that

778
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 2: and send it to people, like a few people who

779
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 2: knew what and they'd be like, oh, you're writing you know,

780
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 2: and for the fallout. It was like something else, really random.

781
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 2: It was like some kind of rap song. I don't know,

782
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 2: it's so funny.

783
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 1: But the Bones, I'm going to have to tell Maren.

784
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 1: She came on the show, and I just think she's

785
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 1: the best, absolutely the best We're all going to have

786
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 1: to have.

787
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 2: She's the best, and I owe her so much. Thanks

788
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 2: for like helping me write the movie. The song should

789
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 2: have been in the movie, but we did an all

790
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 2: Canadian soundtracks, so that's the only reason why The Bones

791
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 2: was not in the movie. But great songs.

792
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,439
Speaker 1: Sweet Okay, So Maren Morris influenced the film.

793
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 3: We love that.

794
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,320
Speaker 1: Also, we have to talk about the fact that Margot

795
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 1: Robbie produced this movie with you.

796
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:19,439
Speaker 2: What is it like.

797
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: Working with her? Like, what how does she work as

798
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 1: a producer like tell us? Because obviously we know she

799
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: has an amazing track record from this incredible film to

800
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 1: you know, the biggest blockbuster of all time, Barbie. What

801
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 1: is she like as a collaborator.

802
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 2: I wish I could say she sucks.

803
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 3: Well, she clearly doesn't.

804
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 2: She's the opposite of that. Like she is. She's so

805
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 2: amazing and I've known her now for three years and

806
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 2: there's not a fucking crack, you know what I mean,

807
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:52,800
Speaker 2: Like it's very real. She's just like an amazing, amazing human.

808
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:56,399
Speaker 2: She's really kind. She just just like she is such

809
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:59,839
Speaker 2: like a nerdy cinophile, like she loves movies. She's such

810
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 2: a hard worker. She was on set with us up there,

811
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 2: you know, at the monitor. She was using my bunkie

812
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 2: as her office and literally cleaning it, making my bed,

813
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 2: cleaning my bathroom for me so that when I came

814
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 2: home it was like nice at the end of the day,

815
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 2: it brought me a present to set. Like every single

816
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 2: day it would be like, I, here's some gluten free,

817
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 2: dairy free banana bread I got you at the farms market.

818
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 2: I'd be like, thank you. But she's so so smart,

819
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 2: and she has really incredible notes and thoughts. But she's

820
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 2: also very hands off and very protective of, you know,

821
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 2: the creativity and like that sort of sacredness of a set.

822
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 2: She treats everybody the same. There's no hierarchy, which is

823
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 2: how I love sets to be and how I want

824
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 2: them to be. And she's a dream of her and

825
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 2: her husband Tom, who was up on set, and Bronte

826
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,439
Speaker 2: Payne and Josie that the company they're all amazing, and

827
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 2: it's just really real. And they really protected me and

828
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 2: protected the process and the film and just believed in

829
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 2: me such an incredible way. Right on the heels of

830
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 2: the fall, they saw that film and just reached out

831
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 2: and we're like, what do you want to do next?

832
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 2: And I mean, I'm doing my TV show with them

833
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 2: and my next movie with them. So I think that's

834
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 2: like they're it's not a surprise to me that they

835
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:15,959
Speaker 2: get so much repeat business because they just they are

836
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 2: like the real, the real fucking deal. They're so great, They're.

837
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:23,800
Speaker 1: So great, so happy. That's wonderful. You would love, Margo,

838
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 1: And that's exactly how it should be, you know. And

839
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,879
Speaker 1: I love that we're in a moment, and I mean

840
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 1: the moment has been years in the making, but it

841
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:37,320
Speaker 1: really does feel like so many great groups of creative

842
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 1: women are building teams. Yeah, and we all know what

843
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 1: it's like not to have that, So to not only

844
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 1: to see your people have it, but also to see

845
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 1: the work that is then created out of it is

846
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 1: so like relieving to me.

847
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 2: It's incredible, like what their company set out to do

848
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 2: and what she set out to do and is doing

849
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 2: to such a high, you know level, and the amount

850
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 2: of multitasking that she does is truly inspiring and just

851
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 2: how much of her heart she puts in everything. And

852
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 2: then there's also so much support behind the scenes too,

853
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:19,359
Speaker 2: Like it's not just she really is, like you know

854
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 2: when we're like supporting Maisie, you know, like helping her

855
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 2: now as an actress to get like the right team together,

856
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 2: and just so she's just she's doing so much, not

857
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 2: for herself. She really like walks the walk, you know,

858
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 2: she's really behind the scenes also doing so much incredible

859
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 2: work and support of female filmmakers and just trying to

860
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 2: like make good shit and and help people tell the

861
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 2: stories they want to tell. And she's not always in

862
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 2: everything that she's making. It's not about her, it's about

863
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 2: like helping other people have She's using her platform to

864
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 2: just like genuinely help as many people as she can

865
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,839
Speaker 2: that she believes in. And it's like such it's there's

866
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:02,439
Speaker 2: not that many people who are doing that in such

867
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 2: a real and authentic and like high caliber. She was

868
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 2: like taking production meetings for a movie in her Barbie trailer,

869
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 2: like in her wardrobe. Who are you like me? Just

870
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 2: never stops. It's really amazing.

871
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. And what a cool

872
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:22,839
Speaker 1: thing too, for Mazie to get to really dive in

873
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 1: with like in this stage. I can't imagine being, you know,

874
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 1: eighteen and like being with you and Margo, like it

875
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 1: would have been so cool.

876
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:35,879
Speaker 2: She is the sweetest and it's funny because she even

877
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 2: jokes about it now she's what almost almost twenty one now,

878
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 2: And yeah, she was like I thought I was so

879
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 2: like I was like Elliott, you know, I was like,

880
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:46,839
Speaker 2: I haven't all figured out as a memehile she was

881
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 2: very much going through so many of the exact same

882
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 2: things that Elliott was experiencing at eighteen, and you know, yeah,

883
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 2: she's handled this with so much grace. And I remember

884
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 2: asking her, like, did you feel so nervous that you were,

885
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:03,879
Speaker 2: like I'd never been number one on a call sheet

886
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 2: of like a major movie, Like I'd never had to

887
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 2: carry that. So I really tried to like not put

888
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 2: that pressure on her. Yeah, and she was like, yeah,

889
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 2: she was like I was so fucking scared every single day,

890
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 2: Like I really was so so nervous and wanted do

891
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 2: a good job. But you'd never have known, Like she

892
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 2: just really was cool, calm, collected and just so open

893
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 2: and joyous. But it's been really beautiful to kind of watch.

894
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 2: I mean I knew it from like the first day.

895
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:30,399
Speaker 2: I was like, I can't wait to watch her when

896
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 2: the Golden Globe for like something at some point at

897
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 2: the Oscar like this, what she can do is is

898
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 2: so endless, and she reminded me so much of Jenna,

899
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 2: who obviously has just like gone on to do incredible,

900
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 2: incredible things. So I feel like I have become her

901
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 2: old ass and she is my young ass, and it's

902
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 2: really fun to like watch just all these amazing things

903
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 2: happened to such a talented, deserving person.

904
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 1: How do you think because knowing what it's like to

905
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 1: be on a set from a young age as you do,

906
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 1: as I do, how do you think you wanted to

907
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 1: cultivate freedom and as little self consciousness as possible for Mazie,

908
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 1: knowing what the pressure can do in such an intimate way.

909
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 2: I mean I had to have like some serious conversations

910
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 2: with like people before about like people don't take I

911
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:27,399
Speaker 2: had very very strict guidelines on like how any kind

912
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 2: of scene that might make me see feel vulnerable would

913
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 2: be shot? Who would be there? And I got pushed

914
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,240
Speaker 2: back from people sometimes, you know, people in certain department

915
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 2: heads like, no, this is my job, and I was like,

916
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 2: I don't care, Like this is how it's going to be,

917
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 2: and this is what's going to make her comfortable, and

918
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 2: this is what's important to me. And so it was

919
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 2: interesting that there was some pushback on that because there

920
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:50,720
Speaker 2: is like a way things are done historically on sets,

921
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:52,879
Speaker 2: and if you try to buck against that, a lot

922
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 2: of old school people just like, don't, don't vibe with it.

923
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 2: But again, that's when you have great producers who are always

924
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 2: there to back you up and protect that. But I

925
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 2: put it, like honestly top of my list because I

926
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 2: was in so many really icky, uncomfortable situations as a

927
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 2: young actor that have stayed with me forever, and I

928
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 2: never wanted to ever put anybody, any actor of any age,

929
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 2: but especially a young woman in that position. And so

930
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 2: it was a constant, constant check in with her to

931
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 2: make sure she was comfortable. And yeah, you just know,

932
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 2: as an actor there's even little things like if you

933
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 2: don't feel confident in a certain piece of wardrobe or

934
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 2: you feel self conscious, that will throw your whole fucking

935
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 2: vibe or your whole day, like if it's not you know,

936
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:38,240
Speaker 2: part of the care and you're supposed to be feeling good.

937
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:42,279
Speaker 2: You know. There's things like that that I think. And

938
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 2: also something that's so specific to me and how I

939
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 2: like to run things on set is I used to

940
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,319
Speaker 2: find that like the small talk when they would put

941
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 2: all the actors' chairs together, you know, when trailers are

942
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 2: like too far away, base camps too far as I

943
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 2: have has to be on location, and so they're just like, Okay,

944
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:58,839
Speaker 2: here's a small room. We're gonna put everyone's chair in here,

945
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 2: and like for the the ten hours that were not

946
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 2: actually shooting of the day, everyone's going to be stuck

947
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,479
Speaker 2: in this room and making small talk. And I found

948
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 2: that to be so draining as an actor, especially when

949
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 2: I was making especially thinking about the fallout and the

950
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 2: energy on set. It was really heavy shit, you know,

951
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 2: and I wanted people to be able to preserve their

952
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 2: preserve themselves, and so I always make sure that every

953
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:27,280
Speaker 2: actor has their own space if the trailers aren't around.

954
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 2: So and everybody gets so annoyed with me because it

955
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 2: is a hassle. You know, if you have a lot

956
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 2: of people there that day, it's like, well, we don't

957
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,359
Speaker 2: have enough space. And it's like just put a pop

958
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 2: up tent somewhere over there in the trees and put

959
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 2: a chair, and if people want to hang out, they

960
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 2: can hang out, you know, and they can put their

961
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 2: chairs together, they can go to crafty. But give everybody,

962
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 2: all the actors some space, because like acting cannot be

963
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:52,760
Speaker 2: not be on set, cannot be an introverts like favorite

964
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 2: place sometimes. So I try to like just do stuff

965
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 2: like that that I remember feeling really uncomfortable, you know

966
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 2: with as an actor or just very drained by and

967
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 2: some of it's like weird and quirky and little things

968
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 2: like that. But and I just always listen to them

969
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 2: and check in with them and talk to them, and

970
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:11,839
Speaker 2: you know, if it's like I'm not going to put

971
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:13,360
Speaker 2: them on the spot in front of them, it's like,

972
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:15,359
Speaker 2: let's let's go over here and let's like talk away

973
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 2: from everybody, like how are you feeling? For real? What

974
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 2: do you need? Just constantly kind of having those conversations

975
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:24,879
Speaker 2: and creating that sense of trust and safety from even

976
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 2: the pre production, you know, like amazing. And I just

977
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,280
Speaker 2: sat in a boat house for three days and talked

978
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 2: to the script and there was moments of the character's

979
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,280
Speaker 2: life that she could experience in moments that she hadn't

980
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 2: shared with anyone else. That's share with me. And there

981
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 2: are parts that she hadn't experienced and that you know,

982
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 2: she was asking me about that I could kind of

983
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:46,320
Speaker 2: talk to her about. So we really created like a deep,

984
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 2: you know, trust and sense of understanding right away. And

985
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:52,240
Speaker 2: I really like cherish that and take it very seriously,

986
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:54,360
Speaker 2: and especially with young young people.

987
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 1: I love that, and I think it's so important. It's

988
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 1: like this idea that you're always supposed to be on

989
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:02,320
Speaker 1: and always supposed to have time for everyone and always

990
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 1: supposed to be perfect and conversing, and the amount of

991
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 1: mental gymnastics that it takes to do our job, for

992
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 1: some reason, is not often taken seriously, and if you

993
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 1: try to take it seriously, you'll often get a lot

994
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 1: of pushback. And so I think for someone in your position,

995
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 1: for a director to say, no, I'm gonna I'm going

996
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 1: to take that expected performance on this away so my

997
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 1: performers can do their job when the cameras are rolling,

998
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 1: and then the rest they have space to decide what

999
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 1: they need. That's really pretty profound. Hats off to you.

1000
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 2: My friend, thank you. I want to get on a

1001
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 2: set with you and let's say no, okay to say

1002
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 2: a space and make profound shit hopefully.

1003
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 1: Oh my god so much. Well, I mean, the idea

1004
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:52,839
Speaker 1: of that feels amazing to me. I realized I was

1005
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 1: responding to you personally and starting to ask a question,

1006
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 1: and was like, I just combined the two and in

1007
00:50:58,200 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 1: one sentence.

1008
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 3: My brain is mad potatoes since last week I.

1009
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,240
Speaker 2: Have two sick children. My veriest mashed potatoes.

1010
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 3: Great.

1011
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 1: By the way, I'm loving the Christmas cup. I saw

1012
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: this woman out in public on Friday. It was my

1013
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:11,840
Speaker 1: first time leaving the house, and she had her Starbucks

1014
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:17,280
Speaker 1: cup and we looked at each other and we just nodded,

1015
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 1: and I was like, your Christmas cup is my first

1016
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 1: joy in four days, and I'm going to go home

1017
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 1: and put up a Christmas tree because I need it.

1018
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 2: I ubered this Starbucks one Starbucks, which was pretty fucked up,

1019
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:31,799
Speaker 2: but I really needed it. You know. I've been up

1020
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 2: since four thirty this morning with two six children, and

1021
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:35,399
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm going to treat myself. And when

1022
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:38,319
Speaker 2: it came in the Christmas bag with the Christmas it did,

1023
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 2: it brought me a little bit of joy. I realized

1024
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 2: that it's that time. Yeah, it's my first one of

1025
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 2: the season, and it brought me a lot of joy.

1026
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 1: It's that time, and I'm like, I might need to

1027
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 1: put up a tree like today and now a word

1028
00:51:51,160 --> 00:52:04,840
Speaker 1: from our wonderful sponsors. We're sort of in this amazing

1029
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 1: moment for you right where you're your creation. This film

1030
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:12,959
Speaker 1: Child is out in the world and you're, like you said,

1031
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 1: fifty pages into the next and you're working on all

1032
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 1: these things that are to come. And I think as

1033
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,719
Speaker 1: a as a creative, it's it's almost like a really

1034
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 1: delicious limbo.

1035
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 2: That you're in right now.

1036
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 1: So when you think about this moment, this sort of suspension,

1037
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:34,880
Speaker 1: and you look out at what's to come, what feels

1038
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 1: like you're work in progress.

1039
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:42,320
Speaker 2: My work in progress is actually trying to not focus

1040
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 2: on what's happening right now with the success of the

1041
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:49,720
Speaker 2: movie in any in any way besides supporting the movie,

1042
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:53,759
Speaker 2: because it is so important for me to you know,

1043
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 2: maybe like there's been so much love put into this

1044
00:52:57,320 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 2: movie by so many people, and this does feel like

1045
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 2: a child to me, So I want to put everything

1046
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:04,399
Speaker 2: I can behind it to make sure that it gets

1047
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:07,279
Speaker 2: like seen by people who want to see it. But

1048
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 2: I think it's really easy in this in this industry,

1049
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 2: in this town to get caught up in sort of

1050
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 2: what's not real and the stuff that is not serving

1051
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:21,319
Speaker 2: me as an artist or as like a human. And

1052
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 2: I also think that I'm not really you know, I

1053
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:28,760
Speaker 2: don't think yet I don't have even had the skill

1054
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:31,760
Speaker 2: set to be like a writer and director for hire,

1055
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 2: you know, Like, I think what is so exciting to

1056
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 2: me is creating these worlds and people and it's so

1057
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:42,800
Speaker 2: personal and therapeutic that I have to kind of block

1058
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 2: out all of the other stuff and just focus on

1059
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:51,279
Speaker 2: the stuff that I'm dealing with internally and channeling through

1060
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 2: these characters in this new world that I'm creating. And yeah,

1061
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 2: it might, it might take a little bit of time.

1062
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 2: And I think there's always this like, you know, take

1063
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:01,720
Speaker 2: advantage of the moment and keep your foot on the gas,

1064
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 2: and these opportunities only come around, you know, once in

1065
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:08,279
Speaker 2: a lifetime. And that may be true. And I've been

1066
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 2: really enjoying the ride and it's been really beautiful and

1067
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 2: I'm soaking in it as if it may never happen again.

1068
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 2: But for me, the part that I love more than

1069
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:19,799
Speaker 2: anything is the writing. It's like the part where I'm

1070
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:24,240
Speaker 2: listening to the bones seven hundred times and I'm hearing

1071
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:27,239
Speaker 2: these voices and I'm figuring out things about myself and

1072
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:29,839
Speaker 2: I'm alone in a room with my computer. That is

1073
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 2: like the most sacred of the process for me. And

1074
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 2: it's not very glamorous, and nobody kind of sees it happen,

1075
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:39,840
Speaker 2: and so it feels like it never really happens. But

1076
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 2: I'm trying to just focus on that. And maybe it'll

1077
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 2: take me three years to write this next thing. Maybe

1078
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:50,799
Speaker 2: it'll finish it by December. I don't really know, but

1079
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:56,279
Speaker 2: that part of it has to be protected because then

1080
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 2: I think that's when you lose like what you make

1081
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 2: and what's what makes your stuff, I guess specific and

1082
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 2: unique is knowing what you can do and knowing what

1083
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 2: you can't do. And I know what I can do,

1084
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 2: and what I can do is I can like open

1085
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 2: my computer and figure out my shit through fake people

1086
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:18,959
Speaker 2: that I create. So I just have to keep doing

1087
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:22,279
Speaker 2: that and then hopefully when it's done, it's done and

1088
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 2: people like it. But that's out of my control. But

1089
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 2: what is in my control is that special sacred part

1090
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:30,239
Speaker 2: of it. So that is very much my work in

1091
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:33,279
Speaker 2: progress is to just turn off the noise and just

1092
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 2: keep doing that because I need to do it. I

1093
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:37,759
Speaker 2: need to do it. It's not even like a want,

1094
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:38,840
Speaker 2: it's like a need for me.

1095
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's very inspiring.

1096
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 2: Give it a try. Put on the boat, see what happens.

1097
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:51,879
Speaker 1: Honestly done, I'm excited for what's next for you though.

1098
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 1: I'm very very exciting.

1099
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 2: Thank you. We'll come play anytime.

1100
00:55:57,400 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 3: I'm coming. I'm ready to get on a boat. Let's

1101
00:55:59,600 --> 00:55:59,919
Speaker 3: do it.

1102
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:02,279
Speaker 2: I mean, there are some boats and the next thing

1103
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:04,319
Speaker 2: I'm writing, you think I would be smart enough to

1104
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:06,799
Speaker 2: be scared from filming on boats ever again, because that

1105
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 2: shit is really annoying. But it just looks It just

1106
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:10,800
Speaker 2: looks so beautiful.

1107
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 3: It just looks so good.

1108
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 2: Though a mazy he had so much fun on that

1109
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 2: piece of shit. Tenner. She was just having the time

1110
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 2: of her life.

1111
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:19,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, by the way, that's what I mean. I'm not

1112
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 1: talking like I don't expect a yacht. I'm like, give

1113
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 1: me that little pup pup boat.

1114
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:28,240
Speaker 2: It was, so let's go. I don't need a yacht.

1115
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 2: Yachts are boring. You get to drive or so boring.

1116
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:33,960
Speaker 1: I think they should all be impounded for tax, but

1117
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:34,920
Speaker 1: that's a separate converse.

1118
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 2: One hundred percent, they should go.

1119
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:40,840
Speaker 3: I love you, Thank you, I love you.

1120
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 2: It was so nice to see your beautiful face and

1121
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 2: your famous to me background.

1122
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 1: Also, I would be remiss at the end of day's

1123
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 1: episode not to say thank you all so much for

1124
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:53,880
Speaker 1: the fan feedback on Lego Masters.

1125
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 3: You guys know that Lego was my.

1126
00:56:57,719 --> 00:57:00,759
Speaker 1: Obsession as a child, is still such source of joy

1127
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 1: for me as an adult, and getting to compete on

1128
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:07,400
Speaker 1: the show was honestly the most amazing fun adventure for me.

1129
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:09,280
Speaker 1: I can't believe I had to keep this a secret

1130
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:12,200
Speaker 1: from you all for a full year because we taped

1131
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 1: this special last December. But I can't wait for you

1132
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 1: all to see Episode Tuba air next week on Tuesday,

1133
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 1: December seventeenth on Fox. You can also stream it on Hulu.

1134
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 1: There are surprises coming, friends, So for my fellow Lego

1135
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 1: fans out there, let's go