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Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Welcome to another episode of Legally Brunette. I'll

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Speaker 1: be your host today Emily Simpson and Shane and Shane.

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Speaker 1: Just Shane. First of all, we just want to do

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Speaker 1: a couple little things that have been in the news

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Speaker 1: lately that I thought was interesting. It's first of all,

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Speaker 1: we're going to talk about a little bit about Justin

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Speaker 1: Bieber and the Scooter Braun settlement. I didn't know a

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Speaker 1: lot about this or that there was anything going on

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Speaker 1: to do no, so I just did a little research

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Speaker 1: read some articles. So I just want to give a

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Speaker 1: brief overview of that if you've seen that in the

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Speaker 1: news or you had questions about it. So, according to

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Speaker 1: an article that was in Cosmopolitan, Justin Bieber and his

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Speaker 1: former manager, Scooter Bron have been locked in a financial

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Speaker 1: battle since twenty twenty three, after Scooter and his company

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Speaker 1: Hibe covered the cost of Justin's world tour that he

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Speaker 1: canceled back in twenty twenty two. Allegedly, he still owed

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Speaker 1: twenty six million to Hype as Hibe it's with a

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Speaker 1: B like be as in boy. He still owed twenty

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Speaker 1: six million to Hibe as of last week. In addition

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Speaker 1: to this, Justin also reported owed Scooter braun eleven million

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Speaker 1: in unpaid commissions from when they worked together, and per TMZ,

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Speaker 1: that's on top of the eight point six million and

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Speaker 1: unpaid commissions that Scooter agreed to forfeit. So back on

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Speaker 1: July tenth, TMZ reported that Justin and Scooter had reached

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Speaker 1: a financial settlement in which Justin agreed to pay Scooter

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Speaker 1: the twenty six million, as well as five point five

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Speaker 1: million for unpaid commissions, totaling thirty one point five million.

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Speaker 1: My question to you is, do you think that it

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Speaker 1: was easy for him to settle that because now his

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Speaker 1: wife just got a billion dollars from the sale of

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Speaker 1: her cosmetic company.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe I don't really know. Uh so

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Speaker 2: he's just paying the full amount.

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Speaker 1: No, he's not paying the full amount. But I mean,

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Speaker 1: he owed twenty six million and some eleven million in

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Speaker 1: unpaid commissions and then another eight point six but they

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Speaker 1: settled on thirty one point five.

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Speaker 2: Well, he might have settled because he had to. He

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Speaker 2: canceled that concert like last minute, I remember, yeah, so,

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Speaker 2: and like I don't I think he gave it very good.

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Speaker 2: It's not like there was some publicly known reason like

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Speaker 2: he was in a car wreck where he was ill

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Speaker 2: or something. He just canceled.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and obviously when you have a world tour like

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Speaker 1: Justin Bieber, you invest millions and millions of dollars in

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Speaker 1: it to set it up up front.

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Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, so you're you're footing this.

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Speaker 1: So basically Scooter Braun and his production company footed the

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Speaker 1: bill for this world tour.

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Speaker 2: Bigger question is is that his real name Scooter?

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Speaker 1: Is that what's on your mind?

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, that is, because I bet there's no Scooter

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Speaker 2: in this world. That said, when I'm older, there's going

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Speaker 2: to be some pop star that owes me thirty million

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Speaker 2: dollars and he's gonna pay up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Scooter doesn't go along with thirty million. No, neither

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Speaker 1: Justin nor Scooter have publicly confirmed the settlement. News of

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Speaker 1: the settlement comes after The Hollywood Reporter published a story

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Speaker 1: in April claiming that Justin was twenty million in debt

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Speaker 1: after canceling his tour and making a series of bad

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Speaker 1: financial decisions. At that time. When that article came out,

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Speaker 1: representatives for Justin denied the claims, telling the Hollywood Reporter, quote,

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Speaker 1: any source that is trying to sell you a story

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Speaker 1: about alleged financial distress, either doesn't understand the entertainment industry, or,

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Speaker 1: more likely, is trying to paint an unflattering portrait of

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Speaker 1: Justin which bears no resemblance to reality. End quote. You know,

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Speaker 1: I also, I've never been like a big Justin Bieber fan.

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Speaker 1: I can name like two songs that he's sang. I

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Speaker 1: feel like when I've seen him in the news lately,

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Speaker 1: he's been a little dishoveled and not looking quite his

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Speaker 1: pop stars normally.

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Speaker 2: When has he looked like a pop star?

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Speaker 1: When he was younger, he looked like a pop.

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Speaker 2: Star like fifteen twenty years ago.

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Speaker 1: So you're saying, now he has a wife and a kid, so.

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Speaker 2: And tat's all over his body, and oh, he's just

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Speaker 2: it's just he's got a dad bought and he's got

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Speaker 2: a puff. Daddy really did a number on him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that is true.

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Speaker 2: They took away his innocence.

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Speaker 1: They were connected. This settlement came one day before Justin

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Speaker 1: released his seventh studio album, Swag, which is his first

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Speaker 1: album in four years. Haley Bieber, Justin's wife's old her

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Speaker 1: cosmetic brand road to Elf Beauty at the end of

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Speaker 1: May for one billion. Some fans speculate it could have

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Speaker 1: been to help with her husband's financial struggles. I don't

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Speaker 2: It's like like you have a little bit of debt,

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Speaker 2: so you sell your billion dollar company. It doesn't work.

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Speaker 1: Like like, look, don't worry about it. Justin I to

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Speaker 1: sell my company for a.

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Speaker 2: Billion a broad sale to raise some money. I don't

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Speaker 2: think that's the reason. I'm sure she sold it because

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Speaker 2: it was a business decision. Yeah, and she's probably like,

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Speaker 2: my husband doesn't make good business decisions, so I'm going

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Speaker 2: to make one. I'm going to sell us.

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Speaker 1: You know, it was crazy to me to think that

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Speaker 2: It's not like, well, she had more than that. She

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Speaker 2: had more strings to pull than that. Isn't her dad

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Speaker 1: Yeah, her dad's a bald But that gives.

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Speaker 2: You opportunity, connections, direction. People are going to come to

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Speaker 2: you a little bit more and say, can I, you know,

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Speaker 2: propose this business opportunity. She's gonna have more opportunities. I'm

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Speaker 2: not saying it's wrong, but clearly she knows where to

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Speaker 1: Well, I was just thinking if I started a cosmetic.

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Speaker 2: Is that her mom Hilaria?

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Speaker 1: No, that's not her mom.

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Speaker 2: Oh oh really she has.

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Speaker 1: That's her uncle's wife.

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Speaker 2: And it's oh, who's her dad? Her dad's not.

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Speaker 1: Alec no, or does not Alec Baldwin.

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Speaker 1: Her dad's Stephen Baldwin. Okay, I believe, but Alec baldw

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Speaker 1: would be her uncle. And it's hilario.

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Speaker 2: It's hilarious. She makes that accent all the time and

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Speaker 2: she's like doing weird stuff.

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Speaker 1: Well, she said she she said it's because she's bilingual.

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Speaker 2: To her accent, it's like born and raised here she has,

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Speaker 2: doesn't she have like some Spanish background? I think? But

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Speaker 2: all of a sudden I saw that video where she was like,

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Speaker 2: how do you say cucumbers? It's like, uh yeah, cucumbers,

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Speaker 2: that's her mother tongue. And then she'd shut him up

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Speaker 2: in the red carpet and everything. Oh yeah, yeah, that's

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Speaker 2: why I don't lock the red carpet with you. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it would be the same, and.

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Speaker 2: You would shut me up sort of like our living room.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's move on to Denise Richards and Aaron

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Speaker 1: Piper's okay. First of all, Shane has been dying to

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Speaker 1: talk about family law, So I have you? Have you

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Speaker 1: been saying we should find a family law case to

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Speaker 1: talk about. So here's a little family law case. So

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Speaker 1: Aaron Phipers filed his petition to divorce Denise Richards on Monday,

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Speaker 1: July seventh, after six years of marriage? What is your

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Speaker 1: first question when you know it's been six years of marriage?

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Speaker 2: That's my first questions? A legal question or like a

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Speaker 2: relationship question.

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Speaker 1: Well, my first question when I saw that they'd been

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Speaker 1: married for six years, the first thing that popped into

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Speaker 1: my mind was why didn't he just toick it out

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Speaker 1: for another four years? Another four years and then filed

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Speaker 1: for divorce because California, after ten years of marriage, you

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Speaker 1: can get, or you can at least request permanent spousal support.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's not permanent, but it's until death, marriage.

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Speaker 1: Or what's cohabitating?

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Speaker 2: Somebody's really tough to prove. Yeah, No, it's death or

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Speaker 2: marriage pretty much is the same thing.

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Speaker 1: Really, of course I knew I was waiting for you

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Speaker 1: to say that. Fipers filed his petition in Los Angeles

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Speaker 1: County Superior Court. He lists July fourth, as the date

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Speaker 1: of his separation from Richards. I thought this was interesting too,

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Speaker 1: because I feel like, on July fourth, do people just

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Speaker 1: get drink too much, watch fireworks and then decide to

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Speaker 1: get divorced. Like, how does the July fourth the separation?

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Speaker 1: Like they must have there must have been an incident.

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Speaker 1: I feel like the two do not share children, but

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Speaker 1: Richards has two adult daughters with ex husband Charlie Sheene.

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Speaker 1: She is also the mother of a teenage daughter whom

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Speaker 1: she adopted as an infant. Fibers is reportedly seeking spousal

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Speaker 1: support from Richards, according to court documents and his declaration,

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Speaker 1: because you know he has to. In the petitional declaration,

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Speaker 1: Viper's claims that he makes no income since closing down

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Speaker 1: his wellness center last year. I'm going to tell you

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Speaker 1: and estimates that Richard's makes more than two hundred and

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Speaker 1: fifty thousand a month from brand deals, TV shows and

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Speaker 1: OnlyFans content. Vipers has asked to keep their assets and

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Speaker 1: debts as separate property, including I thought this was funny,

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Speaker 1: including his he only wants three things. He just wants

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Speaker 1: to walk away with three well he wants spousal.

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Speaker 2: Support should be expousalve sport called spousal support.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, but he wants to walk away

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Speaker 1: with not only spousal support, but he wants to keep

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Speaker 1: his power tools, his motorcycle in a sports car.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, why would he want to give that up?

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Speaker 1: Well, he wouldn't. But I'm just saying, it's like, it's

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Speaker 1: like his douchebag collection. I just want to keep my tools.

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Speaker 2: He had nothing. He had my muscle shirts and my

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Speaker 2: Corvette hat exactly.

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. It's like he's like just wants

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Speaker 1: to take his douchebag kit with him on the road.

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Speaker 2: Now, what happened was he probably didn't have anything, and

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Speaker 2: then his attorney's like, you got to have something, dude.

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Speaker 2: He's like, this looks that you look like a deadbeat

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Speaker 2: if you got nothing.

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Speaker 1: He's like, I got I got tools. According to the

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Speaker 1: divorce petition, he claims that he spends nearly one hundred

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Speaker 1: and five thousand a month including this is what I

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Speaker 1: don't understand, is this he When you fill out your

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Speaker 1: financial declaration and you're getting a divorce, are you you're

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Speaker 1: talking about your current expenses, right, Yeah, but he's saying

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Speaker 1: that he spends eighteen thousand on rent, which is for

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Speaker 1: both of them, five thousand on repairs whatever that is,

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Speaker 1: and seven thousand.

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Speaker 2: Oh it's like, why does she use your power tools?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? It's seven thousand on childcare, ten thousand on groceries.

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Speaker 2: And who's child?

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Speaker 1: Well, that's what I mean. Like, first of all, their

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Speaker 1: children are all adult ages, So I have an attorney.

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Speaker 2: Do you fill it out himself? I don't know.

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Speaker 1: That's we need to look. I need to acttually look

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Speaker 1: at the petition and see if he's represented or if

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Speaker 1: he just did this on his own. And fifteen thousand

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Speaker 1: on eating out?

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Speaker 2: Look, I have how much on groceries?

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Speaker 1: He says ten thousand a month on groceries.

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Speaker 2: So he goes twenty five hundred dollars a week on

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Speaker 2: groceries and he eats out at three thousands, at five thousand,

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Speaker 2: almost five thousand dollars a month, four thousand dollars a

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Speaker 2: month a week a week. Yeah, so he spends six

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Speaker 2: thousand plus dollars a week on food. Yah, while someone's

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Speaker 2: watching is someone else sat? Right?

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Speaker 1: And don't forget he uses his power tools?

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Speaker 1: A Deadly American Marriage. We're going to talk about it.

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Speaker 1: It is the case of Jason Corbett's murder.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 1: Jason Corbett he was an Irish born businessman and father

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Speaker 1: Following their wedding, the couple, along with Jason's two children,

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Speaker 1: And her father his father, her father, her father who

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Speaker 1: Everywhere? They this is? And when you claim self defense,

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Speaker 2: Law, well, I would think one hit on the head

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Speaker 1: Self defense is basically reasonable force or the same type

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Speaker 1: Well, I have thought about it. But you also have

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Speaker 1: It doesn't seem to be because, first of all, when

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Speaker 1: So, but I mean, even what we learned from just

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Speaker 1: when probed, she admitted it wasn't based on a direct observation,

435
00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:36,719
Speaker 1: but rather things she heard from her mom. Now remember

436
00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:40,560
Speaker 1: this is not her biological mom. Mollie Martin's is the nanny,

437
00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:43,440
Speaker 1: the nanny who married the dad who became a stepmom.

438
00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:44,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

439
00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:48,960
Speaker 1: Sarah also said that she used the code words galaxy

440
00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:53,400
Speaker 1: and peacock with Molly's mother to signal when Jason became angry.

441
00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:54,040
Speaker 2: Peacock.

442
00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:57,240
Speaker 1: You know, I saw them say that when they.

443
00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:59,040
Speaker 2: Were Was that like safe words or something?

444
00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:01,960
Speaker 1: Well, I think they were so that if she wanted

445
00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,600
Speaker 1: to call and tell someone there was something going on,

446
00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,760
Speaker 1: they could say peacock instead of saying dad's being angry

447
00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,320
Speaker 1: and he overheard it. It was like a code word

448
00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,960
Speaker 1: to say, like there was trouble at the house. Right

449
00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:18,440
Speaker 1: then the children rescinded their statements. So this is where

450
00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:20,959
Speaker 1: it gets complicated. When I was first watching this documentary,

451
00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:24,400
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, it seems pretty straightforward. She marries him,

452
00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:27,639
Speaker 1: she marries him quickly, she becomes a step mom. She's

453
00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:31,640
Speaker 1: really into these kids' lives, like she does everything for them.

454
00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:33,639
Speaker 1: She clearly wants to be their mom. She wants to

455
00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:36,040
Speaker 1: adopt them. I know she wants to adopt them, but

456
00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:39,240
Speaker 1: he won't. I think he like maybe strings her along

457
00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:40,840
Speaker 1: and is like, well, maybe you can adopt them, but

458
00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,840
Speaker 1: he never actually allows her to adopt the children, so

459
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:45,600
Speaker 1: she never formally adopts them.

460
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,119
Speaker 2: Why is he controlling over this? I wonder?

461
00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:52,639
Speaker 1: I don't. I mean, I don't know. Maybe after he

462
00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:56,119
Speaker 1: married her, maybe there were some red flags. I don't know.

463
00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:57,880
Speaker 1: I mean, he may die a date that long.

464
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like I have plans to kill you, so

465
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:02,320
Speaker 2: I don't need to go through this adoption.

466
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:04,600
Speaker 1: You know what?

467
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 2: Another way to ask for like code for help? What

468
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 2: is like if you're if there's a burglar there or

469
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 2: someone there and they say call like if you had

470
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 2: if someone's holding me hostage, they say, get Emily Simpson

471
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,480
Speaker 2: down here. We're really upset with her in last week's episode,

472
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 2: we want to attack her. Okay, this is actually I

473
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:29,200
Speaker 2: would call you and say I need you to come home, dear,

474
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:33,920
Speaker 2: and can you bring me the Beatles fifth album?

475
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:35,720
Speaker 1: Why the Beatles fifth album?

476
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 2: And then and I'll say I need to borrow it.

477
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:39,879
Speaker 2: Can you bring it home with you or pick it

478
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:40,720
Speaker 2: up on your way home?

479
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 1: Yeah?

480
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,040
Speaker 2: Well then the fifth album's name is help.

481
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, doesn't that sound suspicious? And if you're in

482
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:49,600
Speaker 1: front of kidnappers and you're telling me to bring the

483
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:51,720
Speaker 1: Beatles fifth album, you don't think they're going to find

484
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:52,400
Speaker 1: that strange.

485
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:54,400
Speaker 2: I don't think they're savvy enough.

486
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 1: That sounds like a normal call.

487
00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 2: On a Chips episode when I was a little kid,

488
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 2: and I've been waiting to use that ever since.

489
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:05,639
Speaker 1: Well, now you have had the opportunity.

490
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 2: No I didn't. No, I didn't get to use it.

491
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 2: Oh you mean you want to actually? Yes? Yes?

492
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:13,440
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. All right. Once Tracy and David Lynch

493
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:15,959
Speaker 1: were given custody of the children. This is his sister

494
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 1: and his brother in law that lives in Ireland, they

495
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 1: were given custody of the children. She wanted custody of

496
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 1: the kids, but they were given custody, but she never

497
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,119
Speaker 1: adopted them formally, so they went to the aunt and

498
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 1: the uncle. Per Jason's will, they traveled back to Ireland

499
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:35,119
Speaker 1: in August of twenty fifteen. Within days of their return,

500
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,200
Speaker 1: they began to recant the statements they made at the

501
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 1: Dragonfly Center, telling their aunt Tercy, that they had been

502
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,879
Speaker 1: coached by Mollie to say their father was abusive in

503
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:46,840
Speaker 1: a Skype interview in twenty sixteen. So Jack is the

504
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:50,919
Speaker 1: oldest son and in this documentary there's a lot of

505
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:55,160
Speaker 1: interviews with him, and he's very emotional and he claims

506
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 1: that he was coached to say these things, that he

507
00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 1: actually thought his dad was a great dad, and then

508
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 1: he had a very close relationship with his dad. But

509
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,440
Speaker 1: he also wanted to I don't know, like he was

510
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 1: close with Molly because that's the only mom he really knew,

511
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 1: and so he admits, so he wanted to do the

512
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,159
Speaker 1: skype interview and he wants to admit that quote, I

513
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 1: didn't tell the truth that Dragonfly Molly made me lie. Sarah,

514
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:22,679
Speaker 1: the daughter, similarly discussed or disclosed in diary entries that

515
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 1: she was instructed by Molly on what to say. So

516
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 1: then we get to the trial in twenty seventeen, the

517
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:32,000
Speaker 1: defense sought to include Jack and Sarah's statements. However, the

518
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,919
Speaker 1: court excluded them, citing a lack of personal knowledge and

519
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:38,879
Speaker 1: the fact that they'd been recanted, classifying them as unreliable hearsay.

520
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,679
Speaker 1: Mollie had been accused of lying to friends and family,

521
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 1: i e. Claiming she gave birth to Sarah, which helped

522
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 1: reinforce this manipulation claim. So in August of twenty seventeen,

523
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,919
Speaker 1: Mollie Martin's and Tom Martins were found guilty of second

524
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 1: degree murder in Jason Corbett's death by a jury in

525
00:25:56,600 --> 00:26:01,359
Speaker 1: the Davison County Superior Court. Know, this is one of

526
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 1: those cases where when I was watching it in the beginning,

527
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,879
Speaker 1: it seemed very straightforward to me, Like they got married,

528
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 1: she wanted to adopt the kids. He was probably abusive

529
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 1: to her. Her dad jumped in and intervened, they beat

530
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,680
Speaker 1: him up. But then these kids and then these kids say, oh, yeah,

531
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:19,440
Speaker 1: he was abusive towards her, corroborating it, but then they

532
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 1: recan't later and they're like, we didn't want to say that.

533
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,440
Speaker 1: We don't really believe that we were coached by her.

534
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 1: So I had a hard time actually deciphering who was guilty,

535
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 1: who was at fault, whether he was aggressive that night

536
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,400
Speaker 1: or not. In February of twenty twenty, so we're talking

537
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,920
Speaker 1: about three years later, the North Carolina Court of Appeals

538
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 1: overturned Molly and Thomas Martin's twenty seventeen convictions, citing prejudicial errors.

539
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 1: Molly and Tom's lawyers specifically referenced the exclusion of Jack

540
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:54,120
Speaker 1: and Sarah's Dragonfly interviews, the hidden recording devices Molly left

541
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 1: throughout the house to document Jason's alleged abuse, and their

542
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 1: claim that the death of Jason's first wife was due

543
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:05,880
Speaker 1: to strangulation, not an asthma attack. So they get out

544
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 1: on appeal because the defense said that these things were

545
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 1: not allowed in the first trial. First of all, they

546
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 1: didn't allow those interviews at that Dragonfly place with the

547
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 1: little kids because they said because the kids recanted them.

548
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: So they were like, what's right, what's the truth here?

549
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 1: They're saying that it was and now they're saying that

550
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,639
Speaker 1: it wasn't. How do you rely on those initial statements

551
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 1: that were made, but those were not used in the

552
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: first trial. Also in this documentary, you can tell she

553
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 1: leaves recording devices around. But here's the thing with the

554
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: recording devices, And let me know what you think about this.

555
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,919
Speaker 1: She knows there's a recording device in the kitchen, and

556
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 1: I saw a scene of this.

557
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 2: What was the purpose of her recording device?

558
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,679
Speaker 1: Because she was getting evidence that he's aggressive or abusive.

559
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,400
Speaker 1: So she had a recording device in the kitchen. Oh okay,

560
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 1: she knows it's recording. So I'm saying it was very

561
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 1: to me. I'm watching it, and it feels very easy

562
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:05,400
Speaker 1: for her to manipulate the situation. She's very calm and cool, right, right, right.

563
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,160
Speaker 2: She put on her poker face.

564
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I don't know. He's like upset. He came

565
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,159
Speaker 1: home from work and he's upset about the dinner or

566
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:12,919
Speaker 1: soup or something. I don't know. I didn't think it

567
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 1: was aggressive or overly abusive or anything. I thought maybe

568
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 1: he was just being kind of a jerk. But I

569
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 1: don't know if that's evidence that this man would strangle.

570
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,360
Speaker 2: As Why if I acted that way, would you say

571
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 2: jerk or abusive?

572
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,199
Speaker 1: I would say jerk. I wouldn't say it was abusive.

573
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 1: But I also feel as if it's a setup. She's recording.

574
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 1: She knows it's recording. She puts it in the kitchen.

575
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 1: He comes home from work. He's probably tired from the day.

576
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 1: He's being he's being crappy. He's not being great.

577
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 2: No, yeah, it's not. It wasn't like organic interaction unknown

578
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 2: to either party. That is being recorded, right, clearly, she's

579
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 2: setting him up.

580
00:28:57,880 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 1: Right, And I don't know. Maybe he comes home from

581
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 1: work every irritated. Maybe he has bad days at work

582
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 1: and he comes home and he's irritated. She knows he's

583
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 1: going to be irritated. She puts a recording device in

584
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: the kitchen. She stays cool and calm.

585
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 2: Maybe she has cool and calm.

586
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 1: She hit him with a paper in the head until

587
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 1: his brain matter was.

588
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 2: Well, she lost it.

589
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 1: I don't know.

590
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 2: All I know is his first wife died of asthma,

591
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 2: and that's suspicious.

592
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 1: You can't get past the asthma, can't you?

593
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 2: No?

594
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,959
Speaker 1: All right? And the North Carolina Supreme Court, in a

595
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 1: four to three vote, affirmed the decision, officially vacating the

596
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 1: murder convictions and remanding for a new trial. So a

597
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: new retrial was initially scheduled to begin on June twenty

598
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: sixth of twenty twenty three. However, to avoid another trial,

599
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: Molly pleaded no contest and Tom this is her Dad,

600
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 1: pleaded guilty to voluntary manslaughter per a negotiated plea deal.

601
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 1: Both were sentenced to fifty one to seventy four months

602
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 1: in prison. You thought I was gonna say years.

603
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 2: In Well, still at fifty one.

604
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 1: To seventy four months in prison, with credit for the

605
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 1: forty four months already served, effectively leaving them around seven

606
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 1: to thirty months remaining. In June sixth of twenty twenty four,

607
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 1: Molly and Tom were both released from prison. A Deadly

608
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 1: American Marriage was released on Netflix with interviews from Mollie, Tom, Jack, Sarah, Tracy,

609
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: and David. In this documentary, we witnessed Jack and Sarah

610
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 1: prepare for the retrial and recount their personal experiences of

611
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 1: manipulation at the hands of Mollie. Mollie and her dad

612
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 1: Tom are adamant that it was an act of self defense,

613
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 1: but Jason's family and children are not convinced and believe

614
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 1: that he was murdered in cold blood. So I don't know.

615
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 1: It's very interesting. I want you guys to watch it

616
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: and tell me what you think. Because I was still

617
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 1: at the end of it, I was still conflicted whether

618
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 1: I felt as if he was so aggressive that night

619
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 1: that they really needed to use a baseball bat and

620
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 1: a brick paver to his head.

621
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,959
Speaker 2: So does she had cameras recording prior to all this?

622
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 1: It wasn't cameras. It was recording, was audio recording audio.

623
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 1: It was audio recordings. But to me, I felt as

624
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 1: if she was doing that because she was setting up right,

625
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 1: I know, you know, she's setting up her her evidence.

626
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was clearly in her favor.

627
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was premeditated. It's premeditated that she's getting, you know,

628
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 1: this evidence in order that she wants.

629
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 2: To use building her case.

630
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 1: She's building a case. She wanted to adopt these children.

631
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 1: He would never formally allow her to adopt them. I

632
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: think she was really mad about that because I think

633
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 1: she had plans of like divorcing him and taking the kids.

634
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 1: I think she was obsessed with the kids. That's my takeaway.

635
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 1: I don't know. So she killed wife, No, she didn't

636
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 1: know the first wife, But I'm saying she wasn't the nanny.

637
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 1: She was the nanny after the first wife died. Remember

638
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 1: they didn't have a nanny. He was married and it

639
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,959
Speaker 1: was a moment they had no they had young kids together.

640
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: The first wife dies, They're.

641
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 2: In Ireland right then he goes then.

642
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 1: Hires the nanny to help take care of the kids,

643
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 1: and then he quickly mary nanny, quickly marries the nanny,

644
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 1: but the nanny becomes In my opinion, based upon what

645
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: I watched and what I saw in the interviews and everything,

646
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 1: I felt as if Mollie Martins was obsessed with these children.

647
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,479
Speaker 1: I felt as if she was obsessed with being their mom,

648
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: them being hers. As I said earlier, she had even

649
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: lied to other friends and family about giving birth to them.

650
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 2: Oh wow, that's like that movie Rock the Cradle. Yeah,

651
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 2: Like I mean, I remember the mom would come home

652
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 2: be like, my baby's not drinking milk. That's because she

653
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 2: was breast.

654
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's very Molly Martins.

655
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 2: Like.

656
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: My takeaway was that she was so obsessed with these

657
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 1: children and that he would not allow her to legally

658
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 1: informally adopt them. So she knew if there was a

659
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 1: divorce or whatever, did he.

660
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 2: Have money or did he have anything any type of

661
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 2: financial appeal that maybe she thought she would take the

662
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 2: kids in the money.

663
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 1: I don't think it had to do with money, she

664
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: was as truly.

665
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 2: Obsessed with two kids.

666
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 1: I think she was truly obsessed with the children and

667
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 1: being their mother.

668
00:32:58,360 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 2: Was she not able to have her own kids? Do

669
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 2: you know anything like that?

670
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know if she was able to

671
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: have her own children. I don't. I feel as if

672
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 1: when she was the nanny for these kids, they were

673
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: so young and they didn't have a mother at all,

674
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 1: that she just became the mother figure, right.

675
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 2: And she so as far as she was concerned with

676
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 2: price since since.

677
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 1: And I believe they called her mom, like quickly after

678
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 1: they were married.

679
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 2: They start that's all they knew.

680
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 1: That's all they knew. Yeah, And I think she was

681
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 1: so obsessed with these children that I don't know. My

682
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 1: takeaway is, especially since there was a brick and a bat.

683
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 2: Well, you're obsessed with our children. Should I worry?

684
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 1: I am obsessed with our children, Yes, Should I worry? No?

685
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 1: Because I have legal rights to them. She had no

686
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 1: legal rights to the children. That's what made me think.

687
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 1: And also her her trail of evidence that she was

688
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 1: setting up and the recordings before that incident, and the

689
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: dad was an FBI. He worked for the FBI for

690
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: thirty years. He knows what to say and what to do. Yeah,

691
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 1: and he knows how to answer the questions.

692
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 2: Well, they should do a test on the paper. Was

693
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 2: the pay Was the paver really part of that property? No?

694
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 1: They were the kids, the kids who had an art project.

695
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 2: You know how you can paint, I know, but did

696
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:09,359
Speaker 2: they really have that?

697
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: Well, there were there were other pavers that were painted.

698
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 2: Oh, maybe she set that up. Maybe she went and

699
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 2: bought papers, said hey, kids, we're gonna paint some papers.

700
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 2: The kids were like, well there's one extra, and oh yeah,

701
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 2: I don't worry about that, but I'll leave it Benet,

702
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:22,839
Speaker 2: that's mine. I'll paint it later. Yeah, I'm gonna paint

703
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 2: it read later.

704
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 1: Yes, that's what I'm saying. I'm telling you it is not.

705
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: I watched this documentary and it left me with more

706
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:33,839
Speaker 1: questions than answers. I found her very manipulative. The dad,

707
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: her dad worked for the FBI. I don't know if

708
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 1: I see the husband as aggressive. The way she explains it,

709
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: she's building a case. She's recording him when he doesn't

710
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 1: know it. The kids are recanting and saying that she

711
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 1: manipulated them and told them what to say. I don't know.

712
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: I just I had a hard time with her. So anyway,

713
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 1: if you get the opportunity, watch it on Netflix. DM

714
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 1: me tell me what you think, because it's called a

715
00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 1: Deadly American Marriage. All right. I wanted to come back

716
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 1: to we've talked about last time. I believe we talked

717
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 1: about Brian.

718
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 2: Coburger and the Okay, the Coburger.

719
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: Now we're moving on to Coburger just a little bit

720
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 1: here at the end. I want to go into that

721
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 1: just because he did take a plea deal. But there's

722
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 1: also just to tell you guys, if you like to

723
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,359
Speaker 1: watch all this true crime stuff like I do, there's

724
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 1: a new documentary. It's called One Night in Idaho. It's

725
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,720
Speaker 1: a new Coburger documentary and it came out on July eleventh,

726
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 1: and it's on Prime if you guys would like to

727
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,720
Speaker 1: watch it. So, Brian Coberger, we know, has formally confessed

728
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 1: in writing to the twenty twenty two Idaho murders. And

729
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,399
Speaker 1: he did not provide any explanation for the murders. There's

730
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 1: no motive in there whatsoever. However, this is what I

731
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 1: think is interesting. So there's a new book coming out

732
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 1: and I pre ordered it and it's written by an

733
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 1: investigative journalist who has been covering the stories from day

734
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: one in Idaho. And also Scott Patterson, who we know

735
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 1: is is a huge fed author. I mean he's very basic.

736
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:01,919
Speaker 2: Scott yeah written.

737
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 1: I know you're gonna ask me that I have no idea.

738
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,720
Speaker 2: Well, you said he's very famous, So what is he written?

739
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: I don't know. I haven't read any of his books.

740
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 1: He's famous, but apparently, and I thought this was very interesting.

741
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 1: Brian Coberger had a fascination with a serial killer named

742
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 1: Elliott Roger. Elliott Roger has since become a figure in

743
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 1: the in cell or involuntary celibate's movement. I had never

744
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 1: heard of Booth either. Have you ever heard of this

745
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 1: involuntary celibacy? Involuntary celibacy you do wear like a padlock

746
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 1: underwear or something. No, it's because you're rejected, so to speak.

747
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 1: You're you're found, you're not found appealing by women.

748
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 2: Oh, involuntary, Like, no one's forcing you to be celibate, right,

749
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 2: but based on your unfortunate circumstances, you cannot break celibacy, right,

750
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 2: got it?

751
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 1: So Coburger took a class about serial killers and their motives.

752
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 1: Including that of Elliott Roger, who was a twenty no

753
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: who was a twenty two year old virgin, who was

754
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 1: who fatally stabbed or shot six people and injured fourteen

755
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: in East La Vista, California, before killing himself in May

756
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 1: of twenty fourteen. Okay, first of all, I've never heard

757
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 1: of this guy, but I find this really interesting. He

758
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,919
Speaker 1: had posted a video online about his plan to kill

759
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: his revenge for being rejected by women. In this video,

760
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: he says, I'm twenty two years old and I'm still

761
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:34,360
Speaker 1: a virgin. I've never even kissed a girl. I don't

762
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: know why you girls aren't attracted to me, but I

763
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 1: will punish you all for it. It's an injustice, a crime,

764
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 1: because I don't know what you don't see in me.

765
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 1: I'm the perfect guy, and yet you throw yourselves at

766
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 1: these obnoxious men instead of me, the supreme gentleman. I

767
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 1: will punish all of you for it. So then he

768
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: goes on to murder six people based upon this anger

769
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 1: that he has because he is a twenty two year

770
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 1: old virgin and women are not interested in him.

771
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 2: Wow.

772
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:08,399
Speaker 1: Christine Cameron, who was an administrator of that turnout for him,

773
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 1: he killed himself and may have two thousand and five.

774
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:12,720
Speaker 1: Clearly he died a virgin.

775
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:13,240
Speaker 2: Well.

776
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 1: Christine Cameron, who is an administrator of the University of

777
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:20,720
Speaker 1: Idaho murders facebook page, said that shortly after the murders

778
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 1: were conducted, a Facebook user named Papa Roger. Remember this

779
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,800
Speaker 1: guy's name is Elliott Roger and he's dead, began leaving

780
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 1: disturbing messages and their discussion group. Cameron said, after Brian

781
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: Coberger is arrested, I start thinking, Okay, Papa Roger, Elliott Roger.

782
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,280
Speaker 1: If you listen to some of the manifestos of Elliott Roger,

783
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,280
Speaker 1: he talks about hating all the girls from Alpha Phi,

784
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 1: which is the same sorority that Kaylee Gonsalves was in.

785
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 2: You know, I've never once thought to kill women that

786
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 2: said no to.

787
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 1: Me, well you're not a virgin.

788
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 2: Well no, but I mean like if you ask him

789
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 2: on a day and they say no, it's not my

790
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:00,879
Speaker 2: first thought isn't, Well then you might die?

791
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: Yeah?

792
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 2: I mean maybe more like, what am I doing wrong?

793
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 2: Let me get go to the self help section at

794
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 2: the Barns and Noble, let me figure it out.

795
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: Well, maybe I was also thinking, maybe that's why women

796
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: rejected him so much because I feel like maybe he

797
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: gave off some type of string murder like serial killer vibe.

798
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 1: So I mean, there's that all right. So we know

799
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 1: Brian Coburger took the plea deal to avoid the death penalty.

800
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,399
Speaker 1: So what are your you know, I've read a little

801
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:30,879
Speaker 1: bit more about this about the plea deal.

802
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:31,479
Speaker 2: One.

803
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 1: He did sign a confession, but there's no motive in

804
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 1: the confession, so I do there is that sense of

805
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,919
Speaker 1: not having closure, but.

806
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 2: The m I agree with that, and I don't know

807
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 2: what it's like. So I don't want to put myself

808
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 2: in their shoes and act like I know. But it's

809
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 2: like he's crazy. He probably couldn't get the women and

810
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 2: so he killed them. I mean, I think that's pretty straightforward.

811
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 1: So you're saying, in your mind, it's not like you

812
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 1: would need a motive to feel closure, because we were

813
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 1: talking about someone who's clearly a psychopath, and it's that

814
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 1: that happened to me.

815
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 2: I don't know if I'd ever get closure like oh

816
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 2: now I'm at peace, I would just maybe it would

817
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,879
Speaker 2: put it to rest, like the questions, but it would

818
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 2: That's why I unders said when people say oh now,

819
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 2: they can have closure, which again no disrespect to parents

820
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 2: of their children, but it's like the kid's still dead.

821
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 2: That would be tough to move on and act like closure.

822
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 2: I don't know if I'd ever have closure. I might,

823
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 2: I might be able to move on a little bit

824
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 2: here and there or whatever, but I don't know if

825
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 2: i'd be like at peace, especially just because of a motive.

826
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 1: Well, I think when it to me, the way I

827
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,879
Speaker 1: understand closure in this sense is that there's some form

828
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 1: of justice.

829
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's another thing I have a problem with because

830
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:46,879
Speaker 2: is it just okay, so he if he goes, if

831
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 2: he gets to death penalty, right, I know he's not,

832
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 2: But if he gets to death penalty, is that justice

833
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,720
Speaker 2: in the sense like, because I see justice as like okay, narrative,

834
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 2: thing's equal. So if they yeah, well no, no, like

835
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 2: like you robbed me of fifty bucks and and now

836
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:05,959
Speaker 2: you gave me my fifty bucks back, justice like we're

837
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 2: back to zero even. But like when you're a child,

838
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,720
Speaker 2: when there's a murder, no matter as child, and they're dead,

839
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 2: it's just it's really hard for me to think, like

840
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 2: when when people say that sorry, I know I'm around me,

841
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 2: but when people say oh, there's justice. I just in

842
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 2: the back of my head, I think, no, that there's

843
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:24,320
Speaker 2: still at a loss.

844
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I understand that. But if you if something happened

845
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 1: to your child or someone in your family, and if

846
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 1: there was no repercussion, like it's let's say your child's

847
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 1: murdered and you never find the murderer, you don't feel

848
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 1: like you would you would die without any closure of

849
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 1: knowing who it was or what happened, yeah, or any sense.

850
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: You're right when I say justice, that.

851
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 2: There's there's I just I guess I just I don't

852
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 2: refer to as justice because it's still unfortunate. That's that's

853
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 2: what I've always thought.

854
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 1: It's just my thoughts, I know, but I think I

855
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,800
Speaker 1: think the idea of closure here is that he receives

856
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 1: punishment for his crime, as opposed to that's that's how

857
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 1: you put the period on.

858
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:05,800
Speaker 2: But there's not enough.

859
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 1: That these parents have had to go through. And how

860
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 1: he finally ended is that there's some form that he

861
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 1: that they can maybe find some piece knowing that he's

862
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 1: you know, received the death penalty and that he has

863
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 1: to go to sleep and his cell every night with

864
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 1: the anticipation that someday he's going to die by lethal

865
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 1: injection or you know, firing squad.

866
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. That's just that's just a hard

867
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Speaker 2: pill for me as well. That's all.

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Speaker 1: Well, the irony is is that he clearly took a

869
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Speaker 1: plea deal to avoid the death penalty when he had

870
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Speaker 1: no problem taking the lives of four people.

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Speaker 2: Right, And and then it's like, well, why should you

872
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Speaker 2: grant him that that the the privilege of choosing whether

873
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 2: he's entitled to the death penalty or not. Right, I

874
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 2: would go for the death penalty. I'd be like, now,

875
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Speaker 2: we're going to go for it. But I understand that

876
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Speaker 2: the parents that think, no, we want to be done

877
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Speaker 2: with and just you know, go forward to our lives.

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Speaker 1: Well, that the whole that's very divided between the families

879
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Speaker 1: because there's four, and I do believe that I think

880
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 1: it's split. There's I think there's two that are happy

881
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Speaker 1: to just be done with it. He took the plea

882
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 1: deal in the one and.

883
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 2: I get that. I get the other way too. I

884
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 2: get it both with.

885
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Speaker 1: Right, but they're both Neither one of them are wrong

886
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:18,839
Speaker 1: in their thinking. It's just that's their takeaway and how

887
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 1: they feel. Anyway, when I get the book. I'm going

888
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Speaker 1: to read it, so I'll let you all know. I

889
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 1: do think it's interesting that maybe he carried out a

890
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Speaker 1: manifesto that had to do with this earlier serial killer

891
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Speaker 1: named Elliott Rogers. So if you guys want to look

892
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 1: more into that, you can look that up and read

893
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Speaker 1: more about it. And anyway, that is the end of

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Speaker 1: the show for today. Thank you so much for listening.

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Speaker 1: If you have other cases that are of interest that

896
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Speaker 1: you want to DM me about, I appreciate it. You know,

897
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Speaker 1: I have gotten multitudes of dms from you guys asking

898
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Speaker 1: about us covering the case in Australia about the woman

899
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Speaker 1: that laced like a beef Wellington with poisonous mushrooms and

900
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 1: and killed some of her family members with poisonous mushrooms.

901
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Speaker 1: She was actually when I was in Paris last week,

902
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Speaker 1: she was sentence.

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Speaker 2: And she went to the to the extent of making

904
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Speaker 2: beef Welling.

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Speaker 1: I believe I think it was like beef Wellington or

906
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 1: something like that. Anyway, I know it's very interesting and

907
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 1: I've had tons of you s DM saying can you

908
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 1: guys please cover that and maybe we will. I need

909
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 1: to think about it a little bit more The problem

910
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 1: is with that is that it happened in Australia and

911
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:21,800
Speaker 1: a lot of times when we go through these cases,

912
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Speaker 1: we like to talk about legal you know, just a

913
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Speaker 1: lot of legal things and I, you know, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Well, we could talk about it like it had it

915
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Speaker 2: been in America, you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true too. We could make comparisons. So anyway,

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Speaker 1: that's still in America.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't be beef Wellington, No, it would not be.

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Speaker 2: It would be like a burger or something or Hamburger.

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Speaker 1: It'd be in and out. But anyway, so thank you

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Speaker 1: for that. If there's any other cases of interests that

922
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 1: are in the news or that you find interesting, please

923
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Speaker 1: let me know and thank you for listening.

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Speaker 2: Thanks