1 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on 2 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:10,160 Speaker 1: your twenty four seventh home of the Black and Gold 3 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: SNR Steelers Nation Radio. Welcome back. I am Dale Ally, 4 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:21,079 Speaker 1: he is Matt Williamson, and well this is the Drive 5 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 1: on Steelers Nation Radio. And Matt you reference to Daniel 6 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:28,640 Speaker 1: Jeremiah's top fifty list. He put out a new one 7 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: on NFL dot Com, So I thought we'd go over 8 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 1: that one. The nice thing to remember about this for 9 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:39,880 Speaker 1: Steeler fans is that you're gonna have a chance to 10 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:43,160 Speaker 1: draft three of these guys. Yeah right, go away looking 11 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 1: at it, you know. So we never fifty's gonna be 12 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 1: the same, but three of these guys will be at 13 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 1: your disposal if you so choose. Yes. So one, he 14 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: has Bryce Young, okay. At two he has will Anderson. 15 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 1: So Parabama guys at the top of the board, Okay, 16 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:05,959 Speaker 1: I get it. At three is Bijean Robinson and Bama 17 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:08,040 Speaker 1: had a down year this year. They were yea, Bama 18 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: had a couple of losses this year. And still at four, 19 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 1: Tyree Wilson Okay. At five, Jalen Carter. So back to 20 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:24,960 Speaker 1: our conversation from last segment. If you're gonna put Carter 21 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: at five or six like Miller and DJ did, what's 22 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 1: to stop him from being one? And if you're gonna 23 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: put Bijeon at three, what's to stop him from being one? Right? Yeah, 24 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: I hear you. That's what they're asked to do in 25 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 1: the strata without a diet. At six, he has Devin Witherspoon, Okay, 26 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 1: I like him a lot. At seventy s c. J. Stroud. 27 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 1: Fair enough. I mean it's not a terrible ranking, you know. 28 00:01:56,000 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: R Eight is Pete Peter Sconski. Yes, but not for 29 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: the Steelers to me anymore. Right. At nine is Dalton Kincaid. 30 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:09,959 Speaker 1: That's up two spots, by the way. Oh okay, I 31 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: didn't even know he put this list out today last 32 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:13,079 Speaker 1: segment when I said this, But yeah, I knew he 33 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 1: high I'm Kincaid. At ten is Anthony Richardson. I think 34 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:23,799 Speaker 1: i'd have him higher. I see. I think maybe he's 35 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:26,519 Speaker 1: put it ranking these guys where they can't fall out 36 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: of the spots, that they can't fall below. Well, I know, 37 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 1: not the kind of how I'm viewing this. Yeah, I mean, 38 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: I know DJ claims and anyone's built a list, realize 39 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:40,359 Speaker 1: there's outside influences. I mean, you can't pretend like you 40 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 1: live under a rock and don't know anything. But he 41 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 1: supposedly does these lists with his eyes, mock drafts with 42 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 1: his ears. Okay, you know, so he thinks Richardson's the 43 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: tenth best player in this draft. At eleven is Christian Gonzealus. 44 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:58,079 Speaker 1: That's up two spots. Okay. Not the most physical guy 45 00:02:58,120 --> 00:02:59,359 Speaker 1: in the world for as big as he is I 46 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:02,959 Speaker 1: me in terms of things, but boy, he like this 47 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:06,839 Speaker 1: is blasphemy. But the more I watch him, he kind 48 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: of reminds me of Rod Woodson and just the way 49 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: he moves, fluid size. He's not as good a football player, 50 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 1: but the way he moves and runs kind of like 51 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 1: At twelve, vas will love us, not for me. At thirteen, 52 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 1: he has Jordan Addison. That's down four spots. I agree. 53 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 1: I think Addison's more like twenty five on my list 54 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:33,799 Speaker 1: if I would do it, you know, like, yeah, and 55 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 1: exercise we need to do sooner than later. Is our 56 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: top seventeen. Yeah, I don't think Addison will be in 57 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 1: my top seventeen. Yeah. I mean, we'll get we'll do 58 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 1: that as we get closer to the draft. Maybe that's 59 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: something we'll do week of the draft. Yeah. Yeah, at fourteen, 60 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 1: Lucas van Ness, I get it. I mean I see 61 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: the appeal. I can't say I do cart wheels if 62 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 1: his hieros took him in seventeen though. Yeah, at fifteen, 63 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 1: up two spots, he has Darnell Wright. We referenced him 64 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: last segment. I have no problem with him being the 65 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: fifteenth best player in this draft for a generic team. 66 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 1: You know, this isn't for the Chargers or the Bears 67 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: or the Steelers. I could absolutely see him being the 68 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 1: fifteenth best player. But if he's unwilling or unable to 69 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:25,160 Speaker 1: play left tackle, I'm not considering you as seventeen. Yeah. 70 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:28,040 Speaker 1: I agree with that, And he has played left tackle, 71 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:30,600 Speaker 1: but he made the decision and move back to right tackle. 72 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: I mean, he just might be the guy. That's just 73 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: I'm way better here, I'm way more comfortable here. It's 74 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 1: not he doesn't have light enough feet for the left 75 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: side or any of those stereotypes. Maybe he just knows 76 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 1: he's better there and he's more comfortable there, So then 77 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 1: don't move, you know, don't ask him to do something 78 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 1: he's not good at. It's interesting, though, that he has 79 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:51,840 Speaker 1: him above his number sixteen guy Paris Johnson Junior, who 80 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 1: he's bumped up two spots, and Roderick Jones at seventeen, 81 00:04:56,520 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: who he's bumped up two spots. Okay, so he's he's 82 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 1: got three or four tackles if you consider Scronskia tackle 83 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: in his top seventeen. I understand that it seems a 84 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: little low on Georgia and Ohio State for my liking considering, 85 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:15,280 Speaker 1: you know, like I think they're better prospects than van 86 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 1: Ness or Addison or you know. Yeah at eighteeny down 87 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 1: two spots. Is Nolan Smith? All right? I mean really, 88 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:28,360 Speaker 1: the only negative to me on him is maybe he's 89 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 1: too like to be an edge rusher and isn't adaptable 90 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 1: to be an off the ball linebacker. You know, maybe 91 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 1: he's a failure of both. I mean, but I think 92 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 1: he's probably hit it both. See here's here's the thing 93 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 1: about him. Okay, I'm gonna read his his right up here. 94 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 1: Smith is an undersized edge rusher with elite change of 95 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 1: direction and burst. As a pass rusher, he has a dynamic, 96 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 1: dynamic get off from a two point stance in his 97 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: ability to bend and close at the top of his 98 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 1: rush is special. He's very loose and twitched up athlete. 99 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:00,080 Speaker 1: When he gets upfield, he can put he can put 100 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 1: his outside foot in the ground and explode back inside 101 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:05,480 Speaker 1: to defeat blocks against a run. He's at his best 102 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 1: when he uses his quickness to slip blocks and penetrate. 103 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 1: His lack of ball shows up at times. He'll get 104 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:12,279 Speaker 1: up rooted, He'll miss a big chunk of that. He 105 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: missed a big chunk of blah blah blah. Okay, So 106 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: if he's a guy who can slip blocks and penetrate, 107 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 1: sounds like an inside linebacker. Yeah, but he doesn't say 108 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: anything about playing in reverse or handing off crossing routes. 109 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 1: He hasn't. He hasn't done a ton of that right Again, 110 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:36,599 Speaker 1: that's the put the athletic profile. Oh, I don't. The 111 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: athleticism doesn't worry me to do that. Yeah, I mean 112 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: I think, I think athletically he can do those things, right. 113 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 1: It's a different way of seeing the game game though, too. 114 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 1: You know, you're off the ball and it's just kind 115 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:49,919 Speaker 1: of a wider picture seeing things develop. I mean, it 116 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 1: would be a bit of a projection off the ball. Yeah, Well, 117 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 1: I go back to Mike. Tomlin's first first round draft 118 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 1: pick with the Steelers was Lawrence Timmins. When they came 119 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:05,159 Speaker 1: out originally after they selected him in the first round, 120 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:08,359 Speaker 1: came out and said he's an outside linebacker, right, And 121 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 1: then when they drafted Lawrence Timmins, and then you know, 122 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: later in the day they came out and said, okay, yeah, 123 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: we're gonna move to tim as the inside linebacker and 124 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 1: Lamar Woodley's going to be our outside backer. But knowing 125 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 1: full well the second day drafted Timmins, not knowing that 126 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 1: they would get Woodley. He can do both right, right, Yeah, 127 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 1: And there were times when Timmins did when they had 128 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 1: injuries bumped back outside. M So this year, you know, 129 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 1: fast forward to two twenty three. Hypothetically, if you have 130 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 1: Bud dupre either on speed dial, you know, you know 131 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 1: that you could get him signed or under contract by 132 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 1: the draft. Does that make you less likely to take 133 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: Smith at seventeen? Probably? Yeah, I mean it's a tie 134 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 1: breaker against him. Yeah, agree, But I just think that 135 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 1: you know, he would be a consideration and again a 136 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: team leader type two. I think he's want this guy 137 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: on your team. Yeah, I think he's a solid football 138 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 1: player who can He'll play somewhere for you, Yes, I agreed. 139 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 1: At nineteen up four spots Jackson Smith and Jigba, I'd 140 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:21,119 Speaker 1: have him like ten. Yeah. At twenty down five spots, 141 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 1: Joey Porter Jr. I don't think that's terrible. I mean, 142 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 1: I think there's some questions about him, but he has 143 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 1: some real straits. I mean, he has some real strong 144 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 1: strengths and some questions, you know, legit questions. At twenty one, 145 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:38,599 Speaker 1: is Michael Mayer holding steady solid? I bet I'd have 146 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 1: a couple of guys ahead of him, including some tight end. 147 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 1: At twenty two up two spots is Za Flowers seems 148 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: to really big gaining steam. At twenty three down three 149 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 1: spots Miles Murphy. I didn't see the numbers, but I 150 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:57,719 Speaker 1: heard that his pro day was exceptional, which he kind 151 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 1: of needed. It seemed like he was losing some steam. Yeah. Yeah. 152 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: At twenty four up four spots, Deontay Banks. Yeah. I 153 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 1: mean some of the reason Porter and Banks don't have 154 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 1: great ball production as people through it. The other guys, 155 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, And I mean they're mostly man to 156 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 1: man guys too. If you play man man man to 157 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 1: man coverage you're not gonna have a ton of picks. 158 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 1: And Pro Football Focus has these stats about you know, 159 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: completion percentage allowed and pass breakups. Well they're both really 160 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: high on those lists. They just didn't end up hauling 161 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: in a ton of interceptions between two. Yeah. I mean 162 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 1: if it's the same argument to Patrick Peterson made at 163 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 1: his you know, his introductory press conference, he said, well, 164 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 1: I played more off ball last year, so therefore I 165 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: had five SATs or five interceptions. Yeah. You put a 166 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 1: guy like that with his eyes on the corner or 167 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 1: on the quarterback, he's going to pick the ball off. Yeah. Right. 168 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 1: There's also a better chance if the ball's tipped. You know, 169 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 1: you see it, you're not staring at your guy. You know, 170 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: things like that. You know. At twenty five down three 171 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 1: spots is Darnel wa she did. I'm fine with that. 172 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:04,200 Speaker 1: I mean, he wouldn't neither one of these would be 173 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 1: my top tight end, but I get the tight end 174 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 1: love and I love the group as much as anybody. Yeah. 175 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 1: At twenty six down a spot, Will McDonald, I moved 176 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 1: him up my edge racks. I like him more and more. 177 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 1: I mean he's not as massive as Wilson and Murphy 178 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 1: and van Ness. But he's just really good. Yeah. At 179 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 1: twenty seven down a spot, Elijah Canzy, he scares me. 180 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm really he will not be a Steeler, folks. 181 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:37,680 Speaker 1: I do not think so. No. I think he's a 182 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: spot player, maybe a good one. But at twenty eight 183 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 1: down a spot, key On White. Yeah, I haven't heard 184 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: a lot of buzz about him lately, but I think 185 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 1: he'll go top forty at twenty nine up a spot. 186 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 1: Jamir Gibbs amost brought him up when we did the 187 00:10:55,840 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 1: Matt Miller twenty first round picks. I mean, these is 188 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: as good at running back as I've ever seen come out. 189 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 1: More often than not, Gibbs would be the running back one, 190 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 1: and he has all kinds of first round ability. Yeah, 191 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:14,319 Speaker 1: he's just never been the Bell cow right, I mean, 192 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 1: which is trouble at little worrisome? Yeah, I mean we 193 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 1: especially you know, you see Christian McCaffrey, who's basically the 194 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 1: same size, have injury problems every year. So DJ even 195 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 1: brings his name up, and the name I always hear 196 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 1: with Gibbs is Zalvin Kamara. I don't think. I don't 197 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: think there's a comparison there I think there's Kamar is 198 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 1: bigger than people think, way bigger, and he has like 199 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:43,440 Speaker 1: the best contact balance I've ever seen, you know, like 200 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 1: knocking him off, especially when he had because Barry Sanders 201 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:50,200 Speaker 1: does exist. Wow, I mean there's a lot of I mean, 202 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 1: Mr Gibbs, the two hundred pounds isn't staying on his 203 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:57,199 Speaker 1: feet with the hits that Kamara takes. Right At thirty 204 00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:03,319 Speaker 1: is Quentin Johnston, Okay, I mean he's a little inconsistent, 205 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 1: but yeah, he was my wide receiver. Three now at 206 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:11,959 Speaker 1: thirty one is Brian Branch. Thank for this argument, he'd 207 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: be like fifteenth for me. Yeah, how the prospect are you? 208 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 1: I mean, if you're if you're sitting here today, you're 209 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 1: telling me that the Steelers would have a chance at 210 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 1: Brian Branch at thirty two, mm hmm, I'm all in, Like, okay, yeah, 211 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 1: if you could say, we haven't even mentioned Bersee yet. 212 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on with that. At thirty 213 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 1: two is Felix and Duque Isoma. He's just been high 214 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 1: on him from the start, I mean, good player. At 215 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 1: thirty three is Joe Tipman. Okay, yeah, he's a starter. 216 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 1: At thirty four up four spots is Emmanuel Forbes. I 217 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 1: don't want to like him as much as I do. 218 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 1: I mean, the tape is great. It's if you if 219 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 1: you block out of your mind that he's he's doing 220 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:03,679 Speaker 1: this at one hundred and sixty pounds. I know the 221 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:07,959 Speaker 1: tape is fantastic. I mean, he's the reality is he's 222 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 1: one hundred and sixty pounds. He's one sixty six. Not 223 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: that that's any better or whatever, but I mean, I 224 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 1: don't think. I'm sure he drank about five gallons of 225 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: water to get to one sixty six. You know, his 226 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 1: tape is better than Gonzaleses. He's got two pencils for legs, 227 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 1: that's the thing. His ankles and calves have like nothing 228 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: to them. At thirty five up seven spots. B. J Ogilari. 229 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:42,319 Speaker 1: I'll be honest, I've sort of ignored in Viquezoma and Ogillari, 230 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 1: thinking that they really weren't Steeler targets at thirty two. 231 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:49,679 Speaker 1: But they're both better players than I initially gave them 232 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 1: credit for. And I don't think they'll be Steeler targets 233 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 1: at thirty two. I don't either, but they fifth, I mean, 234 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 1: they'd be three to four outside linebacker types. I just 235 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 1: don't think that's the direction they'll go. At thirty two. Yeah, 236 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 1: at thirty six, up a spot Osiris Torrens. I've heard 237 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 1: a lot of people that love this guy. I mean, 238 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 1: I think he's a pure guard. I think he's gonna 239 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:14,080 Speaker 1: go in the first round. I just have no issue, 240 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 1: no one, no interest in a pure guard right now 241 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 1: for the Steelers. Yeah, nor do I. And that's you know, 242 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 1: I've been tweeting out the visits every day. I when 243 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 1: I first saw the list of visitors today, it was 244 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: Osirius Torrens, it was Tyreek Stevenson, and it was Eka. 245 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 1: We're the three guys that they hosted today. Yeah. I 246 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 1: looked at this day as smokescreen day from training day. 247 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 1: It's liar season, right, Yeah, I mean I mean maybe Stevenson. 248 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 1: I don't like Stevenson at all. Really, I just maybe 249 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 1: it's an Already Burns thing. Yeah, yeah, but I see 250 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 1: too much of Already Burns there when I watch Stevenson 251 00:14:57,480 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 1: right here. You, I mean, he's down my list, to say, 252 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 1: the lead East. But yeah, at thirty seven, down three 253 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 1: spots Brian brssee, I mean his tape this last year 254 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 1: isn't wonderful. I mean, I if that's you know, if 255 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 1: you're DJ watching the most recent tape, he's not one 256 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 1: of the best fifteen players on the field or in 257 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 1: the draft. But I think you have to dig deeper, 258 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 1: which not that you know Jeremiah isn't, but this seems 259 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 1: very low to me. Yeah, I again, I would take 260 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 1: him right now at seventeen. M I mean, damn if 261 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 1: you can get Branch and brssee at like twenty five 262 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 1: and thirty two, see, and that's it. So I've been 263 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 1: working on, you know, as we both do. I'll I'll 264 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 1: sit around and do mock drafts at night to see 265 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 1: what's the best order in which to do things in 266 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 1: this draft. And to me, the best way to do 267 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 1: it is to take Brssee. I don't care if you 268 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 1: do it at seventeen or whether you trade down and 269 00:15:56,360 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 1: do it at twenty five or wherever. The defense of 270 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 1: tackle is the first pick because this draft is so 271 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 1: deep at cornerback, I can get one of those great 272 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 1: great or something else falls the greats. But yeah, I'm 273 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 1: with you. I mean, considering the shortage of the position, 274 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 1: and I'm not even counting Cancie or Oboire. No, the 275 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 1: guys that don't fit, I don't. They don't fit. And 276 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 1: to me, Benton is way different, you know, way less 277 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 1: valuable than Berssee. Not that he's bad, he's just yeah, 278 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 1: he's just more of a nose. And whereas Brussee, Brssee 279 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 1: gives you the flexibility that he could play outside, or 280 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 1: he could be or he could be your nose, you know, 281 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 1: for ten snaps or however many snaps you want to 282 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 1: use a nose like, he could do a lot of 283 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 1: different things for you, and he might very well be. 284 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 1: You know, you're next to Cam Heyward in nickel and 285 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 1: dime situations from the get go right right, or at 286 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 1: least two thirds of the time with Ogan, Jobi and Cam, 287 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Yeah, their turns. So again, 288 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 1: how this draft shakes up If you're first to call 289 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:08,639 Speaker 1: him D tackles? You know, if everyone from Cancy to 290 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 1: Eca and in between, size wise, Carter's been a different planet. 291 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 1: I mean, he's on, he's the best player, you know, 292 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 1: don't even talk about it anymore. But then it's per 293 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 1: se and I don't know who's next, you know, like 294 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 1: if I'm doing my Steeler only D tackle list, he's 295 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:28,199 Speaker 1: clearly two and there's a gap from two to three. 296 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 1: I think Benton's my next guy for steel for Steelers only, 297 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 1: Steelers only. Yeah, and again Benton's Benton's more of a nose. 298 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 1: Mazie Smith is a nose, and I wouldn't consider Betton 299 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 1: in the first round ever, right, neither one of them? Yeah, 300 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 1: all right. At thirty eight down three spots is Cody 301 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 1: Mock He's gonna laugh, I mean he's gonna stick. Yeah, 302 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 1: there's there's a lot of outcomes for him to be 303 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 1: a useful starter for a long time. At thirty nine 304 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 1: up four spots is your guy, Luke Musgrave. Yeah, I 305 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 1: feel like he's not getting enough, to be honest with you. Yeah, 306 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 1: I've really played two last year. It doesn't that doesn't help. Yeah. 307 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 1: If forty down four spots is Jalen Hyatt, I'm a 308 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 1: little bit more lukewarm on him than I used to 309 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 1: as well. At forty one down two spots Mazie Smith, fine, 310 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 1: I mean better off a good D line coach. Yeah. 311 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:26,879 Speaker 1: If forty two down a spot is Sam Laporta, so 312 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 1: that's his fourth tight end or fifth fifth tight end. Yeah, 313 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 1: I think you want Laporta's your fifth and I went 314 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 1: with what's his face from South Coast? Eight? Yeah, if 315 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 1: forty three up a spot, Trenton Simpson Dynamic, I think 316 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:47,399 Speaker 1: that is where he belongs. I think he could be 317 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 1: in consideration at thirty two. Yeah. I sent you something 318 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 1: the other day about somebody saying that he could be 319 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: a late round pick up for the Steelers. Are you 320 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 1: kidding me? A late round? You want Trenton Smith? You're 321 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 1: taking him on two early on getting out, So I 322 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 1: don't think he's getting out of top fifty. No, I 323 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 1: don't think so either. At forty four up five spots 324 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:11,399 Speaker 1: is Hennon Hooker. Yeah, we talked about a lot in 325 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:14,640 Speaker 1: last segment. I mean I like him, it's just he's 326 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:18,919 Speaker 1: not gonna have an easy transition at forty five holding 327 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:23,399 Speaker 1: steady Steve a Villa. Every year there's guys that are 328 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 1: like early second round interior offensive linemen that are ten 329 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: year starters, never bust. They're really good and go to 330 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 1: the Pro Bowls and make a ton of money. And 331 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:37,360 Speaker 1: he's that's him, Isaac Sayamala, is that guy? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, 332 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 1: you know, I mean like Kendall Simmons at the end 333 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:42,119 Speaker 1: of the first round. You I mean like late first 334 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:46,479 Speaker 1: to star teams, early second, plug and play. I mean 335 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:50,400 Speaker 1: there's those guys almost always hit at forty six down 336 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 1: six spots? Is Kaylee Ringo? I ranked my top ten 337 00:19:56,080 --> 00:20:00,920 Speaker 1: corners last night. He was my hardest one. He's tough 338 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:04,200 Speaker 1: to slot, he really is. But one thing I did 339 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 1: write about it because it was was boy, I'd love 340 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:10,879 Speaker 1: him and Patrick Peterson to spend some time together. Yeah, ye, 341 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 1: similar sizes, five star recruits, immense skills, but maybe Peterson 342 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:20,880 Speaker 1: could get the inconsistencies out of him. You know, could 343 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:26,160 Speaker 1: Kaylee Ringo be a strong safety? I think he could 344 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 1: be a safety. He plays really physical against a run. 345 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:34,239 Speaker 1: He does. I mean all the conversations we've had of 346 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:38,159 Speaker 1: Peterson going to the slot and doing new things I 347 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 1: think Ringo could do. I don't think I want him 348 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 1: to beat Terrell Edmonds or right right, you know, but 349 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 1: but he plays. I mean I just think that he's 350 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 1: when you watch them take an outside guy, a lot 351 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:53,399 Speaker 1: of a lot of the stuff that he gets up 352 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:57,199 Speaker 1: or gives up or like inside cuts and things that 353 00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:00,439 Speaker 1: you know, I think he's a little freak. Yeah right, 354 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 1: you know he might be in terms of athleticism, he 355 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 1: might be a little terrell edvansish maybe maybe, I mean, 356 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: will he bang with guards and fullbacks in the run game. 357 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 1: You'll have to let me us to prove that. Yeah. 358 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:19,120 Speaker 1: Forty seven is a guy we've talked about here, Kean 359 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 1: neu Benton. He was unrated before, so he makes it 360 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:24,920 Speaker 1: onto the list here at forty seven, I almost feel 361 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 1: the same way as we just talked about, like with Avelia, 362 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:30,919 Speaker 1: Like it would shock me if he doesn't last a 363 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 1: long time and injuries aside, of course, I mean, maybe 364 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:35,399 Speaker 1: he goes to a Pro Bowl once in his career. 365 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 1: Is never a phenomenal player, but you're real happy to 366 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 1: have him. Yeah. At forty eight, down a spot is 367 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:45,439 Speaker 1: John Michael Schmitz. I'd probably have him higher than that. 368 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:52,159 Speaker 1: At forty nine, up a spot is Jack Campbell. Totally 369 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:55,479 Speaker 1: get it. Saunders has not been listed though, correct, No, 370 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 1: he is not, and he is not listed a lost list. 371 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 1: Simpson and Campbell the true off the ball guys, and 372 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: I'm not including Nolan Smith. Yeah. And then at fifty 373 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 1: is down two spots is Zach Charbonnet. They're running back 374 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 1: out of UCLA. I think he's firmly the three. Yeah, 375 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 1: the only guy that dropped off of his list is 376 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 1: two Polo two out of USC, another guy the Steelers 377 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 1: brought in that I don't believe it's their system. I 378 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,639 Speaker 1: don't see it with him. Maybe I just need to 379 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 1: study any more. But he would have never been in 380 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 1: consideration for my top fifty. And he's so yeah. So 381 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:32,120 Speaker 1: just going off the rankings here of where guys went. 382 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 1: So the Steelers have seventeen and at seventeen, DJ has 383 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:44,920 Speaker 1: Roderick Jones at thirty two, Yeah, at thirty two DJ 384 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:50,479 Speaker 1: has let's see here, Felix and Duque is omah, Well, 385 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 1: I don't know that wouldn't that wouldn't fit. But and 386 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 1: then forty nine is Jack Campbell, which I wouldn't has. 387 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:03,200 Speaker 1: I would never have probably take two of those guys. Yeah, 388 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 1: I mean yeah, you know. So again you're you're looking 389 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 1: at the Steelers have any opportunity to draft three of 390 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 1: the guys that are on that list, so real quick, 391 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 1: I mean I'm looking at it two seventeen or later, 392 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 1: Roderick Jones, Sure, Nolan Smith Sure, Jackson Smith and the 393 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:29,159 Speaker 1: Jigbo Sure, Joey Porter, Junior Oki dok Or our guys 394 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 1: branch in per se or banks we're banks. Yeah, I 395 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 1: mean all those I would have no problem with its seventeen. 396 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 1: And I think, in fact, I think if we're putting 397 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 1: together our list of seventeen, they'll all be in it. 398 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 1: They're all gonna be on that list because we're not 399 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:45,639 Speaker 1: gonna have any quarterbacks on our list, right, you know, 400 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:48,880 Speaker 1: I mean we may have quarterbacks listed there, but really 401 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,119 Speaker 1: I need a list of twelve probably, you know, right, 402 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,159 Speaker 1: because you take the quarterbacks out of the equation and 403 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, at least three, Yeah, because they're 404 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 1: not gonna take those guys. They're not gonna take be 405 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 1: Jean Robinson. But I don't know that he'll be off 406 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 1: the board. Yeah. That's what's weird about the top seventeen 407 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 1: list is the top seven don't really make you write 408 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:12,639 Speaker 1: him down. It doesn't matter the order, you know. Yeah, absolutely, 409 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 1: But that's that's an interesting list there. From Daniel Jeremiah 410 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 1: on NFL dot Com. Go check that out. That's rankings 411 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 1: four point zero. I would assume he'll do one more 412 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:25,440 Speaker 1: at least before the draft comes up, maybe two. Maybe 413 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 1: does every two weeks or something like that. So we're 414 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:31,919 Speaker 1: three weeks away from the draft. Matt, oh No, it's awesome. Crazy, 415 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 1: It's crazy how this out quickly this offseason has kind 416 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 1: of skipped bias here. Hey, you can subscribe now to 417 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 1: The Drive. Every episode we do is available for you 418 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 1: to download. Subscribe today through the Steelers Mobile app, the 419 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app, and wherever you find your podcast. He is 420 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,199 Speaker 1: Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lali. You're listening to the 421 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,359 Speaker 1: Drive here on Steelers Nation Radio. We'll be back with 422 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:55,200 Speaker 1: our final segment right after this