1 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 1: Welcome on and all to the Hammer Territory Podcast. My 2 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: Eaven Sean Covid. Hope wherever you are and wherever you 3 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: are listening, you are doing well. We it's kind of crazy, Stephen. 4 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 1: We're already towards the end of February, but that means 5 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 1: that we're just a few weeks away from. 6 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 2: The start of spring training. 7 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: And hey, we've got some rumors to talk about, some 8 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 1: real ones, it seems. And it seems like this is 9 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 1: the case where with us getting a bit closer to 10 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:48,240 Speaker 1: spring training, we may finally be in that spot where 11 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:51,160 Speaker 1: you've got smoke, yes, but there may be some fire 12 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 1: to it as well. In so close to spring trading 13 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: forgive my voice said a little bit under the weather 14 00:00:56,880 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: as many of y'all it probably are, with all this 15 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: winter weather that we're dealing with, but where you're gonna 16 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: make it through it because it's always fun to talk braves, 17 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 1: and it's always fun to talk with the best when 18 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:07,400 Speaker 1: it comes to breaking down the bravest. 19 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 3: What's up, buddy, Yeah, man, flu game tonight for you. Right. 20 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 3: We're uh, we're not We're not one hundred percent uh 21 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 3: like most people. And and Sean lives in Tennessee for 22 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:23,039 Speaker 3: people that don't know. So Tennessee got hit pretty good 23 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 3: over the last week, and I mean, hell, half the 24 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 3: country got hit pretty good. So I'm sure a lot 25 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 3: of you are dealing with it as well. But yeah, 26 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 3: end of January, right around the corner, we got some 27 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:37,320 Speaker 3: news and nuggets. We got a couple of rumors, we 28 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 3: got a couple of pieces of information that dropped that 29 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 3: we're gonna talk about tonight. But yeah, listen, with spring 30 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 3: training this close, and especially on the pitching side, because 31 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 3: pictures and catchers report before anybody else, I feel like 32 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 3: we've got to get some resolution to some of these 33 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 3: pretty quickly. You know, Pictures don't want to get behind schedule. 34 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 3: They want they want, you know, their regime to be 35 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 3: very similar to what they're used to. And you know, 36 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 3: you don't want to sign two weeks in the camp 37 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 3: you want to be, especially in a WBC year, because 38 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 3: it's gonna be a weird camp, you know, because certain 39 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 3: guys are gonna take different amounts of time. I wouldn't 40 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 3: be surprised at all if we got some action in 41 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 3: the next you know, probably coming in the next week 42 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 3: to try to get some of these bigger names resolved 43 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 3: before spring training starts. 44 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 1: Agreed, And you know the names that we're looking out 45 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 1: there are you know, frob Orvaldez as well as Zach Gallion. 46 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: You know, several different names are out there that make 47 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 1: sits potentially for the Braves to go after. But the 48 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: rumors that are out there, of course, are the fact 49 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 1: that the Braves are potentially lucky to go get Excuse 50 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: me one second, don't don't don't get excited or anything. 51 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: We're just making sure my Poe was working here, was 52 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 1: looking to go get Chris Bassett and and potentially Lucas Giolito. 53 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 1: We we we we saw some potential interest ed Rager 54 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 1: Sworez and fro Valdez as well as that Gallion. Those 55 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 1: two still have their qualified offer tied to them. So 56 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 1: Chris Bassett and Lucas Gilito are kind of that next 57 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 1: tier below that could make sense for the Braves to 58 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: pivot to. But I think that there is some sense 59 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:17,519 Speaker 1: for the Braves to look to pivot to those guys, 60 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 1: especially if, especially if if Robert Valdez and Dak galliand 61 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: are looking to side short term, high annual value deals. Well, 62 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 1: did it that and that case with how much more 63 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 1: money they're likely to make than a Bassett in a Gilito, 64 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 1: Plus with the fact that you'll potentially have keep up 65 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 1: the draft pick to get Valdez or Gallied where you 66 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 1: won'te with Bassett or Gilito, that may make basket of 67 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 1: Gilito a bit more attractive. 68 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 2: Steve. 69 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, so this is a report from today. I think 70 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 3: the original I saw it on MLB Trade Rumors, but 71 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 3: I think the original report was from John Hayman, who 72 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 3: did a little video segment of about you know, the 73 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 3: pitchers left out on the market, and he's specifically, he 74 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 3: specifically mentioned the Braves as a team still looking for pitching, 75 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 3: and then he specifically mentioned Bassett and Giolito in connection 76 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:19,840 Speaker 3: with the Braves. So that is the you know, that's 77 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 3: the source of this conversation. Basically, none of that is surprising. 78 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 3: We've heard from multiple sources of the last two weeks 79 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 3: that the Braves are still very much looking for starting 80 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 3: pitching simply because they have an addressed starting pitching at 81 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 3: all this offseason. And you know, I've said it a bunch. 82 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:40,039 Speaker 3: I think, you know, I came into the year, or 83 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 3: I came into this offseason wanting a you know, an 84 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 3: improvement to the offense, and wanting improvements in the starting 85 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 3: rotation and the rotation is what we haven't seen yet. 86 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 3: So let's take these individually. So Bassett, we've talked about 87 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 3: a lot. You know, I think anybody that listens to 88 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:58,720 Speaker 3: this show any amount of time has heard us talk 89 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:02,280 Speaker 3: about Chris Bassett's an older guy, but he's extremely reliable. 90 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 3: You know, he's like a four FIP type of pitcher. 91 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 3: He's a you know, thirty seven years old. He's probably 92 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:11,480 Speaker 3: going to command a two year deal. He's probably gonna 93 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 3: be around thirty five million bucks, forty million bucks something 94 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 3: like that. You know. That's I don't think there's nothing 95 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:19,840 Speaker 3: new I can say about Chris Bassett that I haven't 96 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 3: already said. And I would be very I would be 97 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:24,280 Speaker 3: happy if the Brave signed Chris Bassett. If we got 98 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:26,599 Speaker 3: that notification tomorrow, the Brave signed Chris Bassett to a 99 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 3: two year, thirty eight million dollar contract, I would I 100 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 3: would be perfectly fine with that. So let's talk about Giulito, 101 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 3: because that's the name we haven't talked about a lot. 102 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 3: So Lucas Giolito is thirty one. He actually turns thirty two, 103 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,159 Speaker 3: So his birthday I think is in July, so he 104 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:46,359 Speaker 3: turns thirty two in the middle of the season. So 105 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 3: next year is his age thirty one slash thirty two season. 106 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 3: And he's a fascinating case because one, he's he's dealing 107 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 3: with some injuries. He's not he's not completely healthy. But two, 108 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 3: and much more fascinating is last year because Julito had 109 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 3: a three point four ERA with Boston and that was 110 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 3: over like one hundred and fifty innings. He was a 111 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 3: very good for Boston. If you just look at like 112 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 3: surface level stats, which a lot of people do. The 113 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:21,479 Speaker 3: problem is that three four ERA came with a three 114 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 3: one seven FIP, and it came with a three five 115 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 3: to nine x FIP and a and a I'm sorry, 116 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 3: I have four to one seven FIP and a four 117 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:31,720 Speaker 3: five nine x FIP and a four to nine to 118 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 3: nine expected ERA. So I know it's a lot of numbers, 119 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 3: but basically all the peripherals say he is not that, 120 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:40,720 Speaker 3: and that's why he's still in the market. You know. 121 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 3: You combine that with I think it was a was 122 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 3: it a shoulder? I don't remember exactly what his injury 123 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 3: stuff was. Yeah, it was a shoulder. Yeah, and so 124 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 3: that's that's even scarier. So you've got still a relatively 125 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 3: young pitcher who's had success in the majors. You had 126 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:58,839 Speaker 3: a really good er season last year over one hundred 127 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 3: and fifty innings. But the purfles don't back it up 128 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 3: just on stuff like fastball velocity still very normal and yeah, 129 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 3: I think he's like a ninety three mile hour fastball guy. 130 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 3: He was right at that number last year. The problem is, 131 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 3: and one of the reasons the perffles don't support the 132 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 3: era that he had is because the strikeouts came way 133 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 3: down last year, Like he went from striking out almost 134 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 3: ten per nine to strike it out like seven per 135 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 3: nine last year. It's a big drop, and you know, 136 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 3: teams care about that a lot. And so I think 137 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 3: he's gonna get a modest contract, and I think that's deserved. 138 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 3: I do think there's some upside with Giliito, though, so 139 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 3: and he doesn't have a qualifying offer attached. Obviously it's 140 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 3: an It's more of an upside play than maybe a 141 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 3: Chris Bassett, who's more of a floor play. It's gonna 142 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 3: cost less. I think I'm pretty comfortable in saying Julido 143 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 3: is gonna get less than Bassett. I'm curious if you 144 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 3: have a differing opinion on that. But so that's the 145 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 3: nuts and bolts of g That's why he's still out there. 146 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 3: Between the injury, between the peripherals that don't match the era, 147 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 3: Nobody sees him as a three four ar guy, like 148 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 3: nobody is projecting that for next year. I think he's 149 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 3: probably considered like a four and a half era guy 150 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 3: if we're talking about true talent level. So we'll see 151 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 3: there is some value and there's some upside because he's 152 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 3: still young enough, the velocity has not dipped. Those fact 153 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 3: those strikeouts could come back up to where they were 154 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 3: in the previous two years, and you can get a 155 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 3: real bargain because I don't think he's going to be 156 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 3: very expensive. 157 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, now, let's let's talk a bit about the comparison 158 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:40,079 Speaker 1: between the two, and I think that it's an important 159 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:41,960 Speaker 1: thing to look at here. What I mean by that 160 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:46,559 Speaker 1: is this is that with Chris Bassett, I know, you say. 161 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:47,959 Speaker 2: A floor versus a ceiling. 162 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 1: I'm here for the floor because it's a pretty high 163 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 1: floor I put out there today. You know that the 164 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 1: reasons why I feel that Chris Bassett. He is a 165 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 1: very sensible target for the Braves to go actor. It's 166 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 1: simply the point that with Bassett you get someone that's stirrible. 167 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 1: I think that he's made thirty plus starts in what 168 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: four straight years. You have someone that's familiar with Jeremy Hefter. 169 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 1: You know, Chris Bassett's second best season as a major 170 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:20,599 Speaker 1: league pitcher was which was with Hefter back in twenty 171 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:24,680 Speaker 1: twenty two. And it's not as if Hefter has excuse me, 172 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 1: masstt has fallen off since then. The other thing is 173 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 1: is that the Braves have done a very good job 174 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 1: with getting good production from late in their thirties pitchers 175 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: Charlie Mooreton Chris Sail had some of their best years 176 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 1: in their late thirties with the Braves. And the other 177 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 1: thing that really stands out to me that I think 178 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 1: is important is that the Braves again want to contend. 179 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 1: We talked about the fact that when it comes to 180 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:51,960 Speaker 1: a playoff starter, you certainly want as many of those 181 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 1: as possible. I kind of get more specific and say 182 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 1: I want as many arms as possible that I could 183 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 1: reliably use at least one time through it. A posy 184 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 1: playoff order. Chris Bassett has shown that ability. He's got 185 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:07,839 Speaker 1: twenty three plus indis in his career in the postseason, 186 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 1: many of that coveed in recent history, and he was 187 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 1: outstanding in a relief role for Toronto last year on 188 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 1: their World Series run. So he not only has showed 189 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 1: good success in the playoffs, he showed the versatility of 190 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 1: being used in multiple roles. That's why I think Bassett 191 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: probably makes sense less injury concerned, maybe not as much upside, 192 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:32,959 Speaker 1: but reliability, dependability, versatility. If you can get that in 193 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 1: one guy for this starting rotation, I think that that's 194 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 1: an excellent ad. And if you can get you for 195 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: multiple years, I think that's even better. I think Chris 196 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 1: Bassett is the clear choice of these two. 197 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, And just to clean it up, Gilitos was an 198 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:50,680 Speaker 3: elbow that ended his twenty twenty five. It was like 199 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 3: in September, so it's not like you missed a ton 200 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 3: of time. But he did a podcast recently and said 201 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 3: he's fully recovered from it. But still it's something teams 202 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 3: are going to be where I think I agree with you. 203 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:05,679 Speaker 1: Let me let me put it. Let me put it 204 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 1: in another way. Giolito is very much the type of 205 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 1: pitching profile that we already have really relevant upside, but 206 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 1: with serious injury questions. Yeah, Bassett is the type of 207 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 1: art that we're trying to add. I give the dependability, reliability, versatility. 208 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 1: That's the best way that I could probably describe the two. 209 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, No, that's fair. Like if you had Giolito, you know, 210 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:38,200 Speaker 3: you're kind of just you're not replacing questions with questions, 211 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 3: but you're just adding questions on top of questions, whereas 212 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 3: Bassett is much more of an answer. It's not a 213 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 3: like resounding answer, but he's much less of a question 214 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 3: and much more of an answer in my opinion. But 215 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 3: he's also going to cost more. Uh, it's a sliding 216 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 3: scale of value. So and I do think Giolito has 217 00:11:56,480 --> 00:12:00,559 Speaker 3: some upside. I put some because I mean I think 218 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 3: it was twenty twenty one with the White Sox, who 219 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 3: was like a four win pitcher, but that was a 220 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 3: long time ago and he hasn't been anything close to 221 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 3: that since then, And like, like the best version of 222 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 3: Giliado's probably like a three win picture at this point, 223 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 3: the most likely version of Giliado's probably like a win 224 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 3: and a half pitcher, and the amount of risk you're 225 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:23,679 Speaker 3: going with there, I think you would just rather have Bassett, 226 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 3: who's probably just gonna be a two win pitcher for you. Now, again, 227 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:30,080 Speaker 3: he's gonna cost more. He's gonna cost probably sixteen million bucks, 228 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 3: seventeen million bucks, eighteen million bucks a year over two years. 229 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 3: But it's worth you know, in today's pitching market, that's 230 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 3: not I know that sounds like a lot of money, 231 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 3: it's really not a lot of money. So yeah, I'm 232 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:44,840 Speaker 3: very curious to see. I want I want to know 233 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 3: what Jilido's gonna get on the market, because again, that 234 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:50,199 Speaker 3: three point four to one EER last year with Boston 235 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 3: is the most not real eer you're gonna see. Like 236 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 3: there's just not a single indicator in his profile that 237 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 3: anything about that number is real or projectable or in 238 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 3: any way per day to bowl for twenty twenty six. 239 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 3: If you look at his projections, it's like he's projected 240 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 3: for like a four to seven ERA and like a 241 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 3: four to six FIP next year. And I think that's fair. 242 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 3: I think that's what kind of the peripherals say so, 243 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 3: and especially if the strikeouts don't come back, which was 244 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 3: a big concern last year. But you know, he was 245 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:22,320 Speaker 3: connected to the Braves via a real report today, so 246 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 3: we got to talk about it. I would prefer Chris Bassett. 247 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:27,440 Speaker 3: I think Chris Bassett is just a better choice. I 248 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 3: think you laid it out perfectly. You just you don't 249 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 3: need another massive question mark in this rotation. You need 250 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 3: something that is just more of an answer. So if 251 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 3: you said, you know, it's not my money to spend, 252 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 3: of course I would just pay. I would pay Chris 253 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 3: Basst unless he wants something crazy, and I guess we 254 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:45,560 Speaker 3: don't technically know what he's asking for, but if it's 255 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 3: around what he's projected to get, which again is around 256 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 3: two years, thirty eight million, just give me Chris Bassett 257 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 3: and let's let's get on with the season. I would 258 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 3: love to stop talking about this. I would love to 259 00:13:57,160 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 3: just talk about the picture of the Braves got versus 260 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 3: the picture of the Braves might get. But yeah, give 261 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 3: me Chris Bassett. 262 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. 263 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 1: And I mean, and you've got some real quality depth 264 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 1: that you could utilize in multiple ways if you were 265 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 1: to get Bassett. And you know, Ronaldo Lopez, Chris Bassett, 266 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 1: Grant Holmes, those are swing guards that you can use 267 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 1: in multiple roles as well. So again, just just a 268 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 1: lot of versatility speaking of you know what you potentially 269 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 1: project like a Lucas Giolito or a Chris Bassett to 270 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 1: potentially be what other thing that we're starting to get 271 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: into now it's late January, so we're starting to get 272 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 1: into lists, right, We're starting to get into top one 273 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 1: hundred prospect lists, Cam Kevinitti Jr. Richie, a few other 274 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 1: Braves or prospects are getting loved, you know, several of 275 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 1: the lists, but also win projections. I believe I saw 276 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 1: a FanDuel came out today. I'm sure that any other 277 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 1: sports books and you know, the metrics sites will come 278 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 1: out with their projected and the Braves are right where 279 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 1: we hope that they would be. It looks like that 280 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: we're starting to see that the general reaction what the 281 00:14:57,320 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 1: Braves have done this offseason has been favorable Raves or 282 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 1: write a position to be in that second to third 283 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 1: spot or the probably second third or fourth spot. Basically, 284 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 1: it certainly seems as if that when it comes to 285 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 1: the National League, the hierarchy is the Dodgers. Then you've 286 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 1: got the three teams in the Italyast, probably the Brewers 287 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 1: following up that. But that's the thing to take away. 288 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 1: I won't get too much into wins. You know, probably 289 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 1: high eighties if you hope you find a way to 290 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: get into the low nineties. But that's what we're seeing 291 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 1: from the start, to see these win projection lists. The 292 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 1: Braves are considered right there to be able to second 293 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 1: tier of Vinel teams, in the top four team of 294 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 1: the National League. 295 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, so FanDuel of the sportsbook release there, it was basically, 296 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 3: they're over unders for the year. You know, everything is 297 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 3: you know, like the Dodgers are one hundred and three 298 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 3: and a half wins, and you obviously pick you're over under. 299 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 3: And it's a little premature because the off season not 300 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 3: over yet, Like somebody's gonna add fram Ra Valdez and 301 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 3: and and these numbers are gonna change. Somebody's gonna add 302 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 3: Zac Gallon, somebody gonna add you know, fill in the blank. 303 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 3: So it's a little premature. But like you said, right now, 304 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 3: and I can tell you the Braves, So on FanDuel, 305 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 3: the Braves came in they're over under. Number was eighty 306 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 3: nine and a half wins, so, which is the exact 307 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 3: same number as the Phillies and the exact same number 308 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 3: as the Mariners. The Mets were at like ninety and 309 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 3: a half wins. So and I you know, this is 310 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 3: the first one I would get ready for this. Every 311 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 3: single projection model, every single prediction model, all the sports books, 312 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 3: all the sites, pakoda whatever, they're gonna see a very 313 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 3: tight in L East race because if you look at 314 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 3: the rosters, like you know, even if you do input 315 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 3: based which is what I prefer to use, the three 316 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 3: rosters look very similar in terms of how much production 317 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 3: you can project for their rosters. So you know, I 318 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 3: know people are probably gonna get upset. I'll go and 319 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 3: tell you I think most are gonna have the Mets 320 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 3: slightly ahead of the Braves and the Phillies. I think 321 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 3: it's gonna go in some spots it's gonna go Mets, Braves, Phillies, 322 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 3: and other spots it might go Mets, Phillies, Braves, Braves 323 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 3: might be third in some of these projections. I just 324 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 3: wouldn't get too upset about it, especially when you look 325 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:18,439 Speaker 3: at the wind totals. The wind totals are gonna be 326 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:21,399 Speaker 3: very similar. I think it's gonna be most of them 327 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:23,920 Speaker 3: are gonna have the Braves in the high eighties, which 328 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 3: is where I mean, I understand I'm probably just personally 329 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:31,360 Speaker 3: a little bit lower on the roster than other people are, 330 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 3: just because I have so many questions about the rotation. 331 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:36,719 Speaker 3: I still have questions about the offense if I'm being 332 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:38,360 Speaker 3: one hundred percent honest, So. 333 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 2: I don't I might not. 334 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 3: You know, if you ask me today what I project, 335 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 3: I don't think I would be like eighty nine or ninety. 336 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 3: But that's where most of these models are gonna see 337 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:48,920 Speaker 3: the Braves right now as an eighty nine ninety win team. 338 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 3: That's exactly what fand will put out earlier. I'm guessing 339 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:52,640 Speaker 3: when we get all the other ones in the next 340 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 3: few weeks, especially as more free agents get off the board. Now, 341 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 3: if the Braves signed somebody, you know, if the Braves 342 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 3: signed Franberg, which I guess is not out of the 343 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 3: realm of possibility, that's going to change. And the Braves 344 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 3: probably jumped the Mets at that point in most of 345 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:09,680 Speaker 3: these books. So again, that's why these things don't usually 346 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 3: come out till middle of February, because they like to 347 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 3: get through free agency and get all the players on 348 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:16,680 Speaker 3: teams and so that we can actually get a complete 349 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 3: idea of who's of who's what on paper. But yeah, 350 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:24,400 Speaker 3: that the first one that came out was FanDuel Today 351 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 3: and had the Braves at a nine wins. And I 352 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 3: would just expect that from just about everybody that comes 353 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 3: with one of these projection models over the next you know, 354 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 3: a couple of weeks. 355 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:35,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, and and and I wouldn't be surprised. You know 356 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 2: that the Mets have. 357 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 1: I'll give it to the Mets, you know, with the 358 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:42,639 Speaker 1: way that they pivoted away from losing out to Kyle Tucker. 359 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:44,680 Speaker 1: They did job, they did well. 360 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:46,399 Speaker 3: They did their whole obseeason like one week. 361 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they they did well. 362 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 1: They wait, they wait for the biggest fish in the pond, 363 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:52,680 Speaker 1: but they did not getting They wound up getting it 364 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 1: even bigger Hall. So I think that that was definitely 365 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 1: out there. I think the Phillies are going to do something. 366 00:18:57,440 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 1: I think the Phillies could be a surprise team for 367 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:02,200 Speaker 1: a promber or that Galleon especially, you know, if there's 368 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 1: questions about Zach Wheeler so and then you've got in season. 369 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:07,200 Speaker 1: The point that I'm getting at is is that it's 370 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:10,120 Speaker 1: going to be a three horse race, and I think 371 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 1: that that could actually benefit the Braves a bit because 372 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: if that means that they could go into the playoffs, 373 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 1: you know, haven't already played in several of these games, 374 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:21,679 Speaker 1: you know, where it means a lot going to you know, 375 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 1: August and September. I think the last time we really 376 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 1: did that was probably well it was two thousand and 377 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:31,359 Speaker 1: twenty four obviously with the with the doubleheader with the Mets, 378 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 1: so you know, it's still you know, mattered. I know 379 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:36,199 Speaker 1: that it hasn't really translated to the playoffs, but you know, 380 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:38,399 Speaker 1: I think that that could come into play at the 381 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:40,399 Speaker 1: very least for a team that has a lot of 382 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: players that has not played you know, as much recently. 383 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 1: You've got a lot of new faces coming in. That's 384 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:47,680 Speaker 1: the chemistry that you can build from those close, important 385 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 1: games during the season that maybe can lead to a 386 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 1: better playoff performance once they arrive and hopefully you make 387 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 1: the playoffs. 388 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I see a lot of volatility, and maybe 389 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 3: this is why the Mets are slightly ahead. I see 390 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 3: more volatility potentially on the Phillies and the Braves rosters, 391 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 3: just because they have so much uncertain like Zach Wheeler's 392 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 3: health is. You know, people, I've heard people say, like, 393 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 3: he's not going to be out that long. He's only 394 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 3: going to be out a couple of months, but who knows, right, 395 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 3: And that you're talking about drastically changing the outlook of 396 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 3: a team like Zach Wheeler is. When he's healthy, he's 397 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:23,400 Speaker 3: I mean, it's just like Chris Saale. When he's healthy, 398 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 3: he's a cy young candidate. But when he's not, obviously 399 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:29,440 Speaker 3: he doesn't help you. So I don't trust the Phillies rotation. 400 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 3: I agree with you one hundred percent. I would not 401 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:33,640 Speaker 3: be surprised at all if we got the notification tomorrow 402 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 3: that they were signing Franbervaldez or Zach Gallan. Dombrowski did 403 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:39,920 Speaker 3: do an interview and said, we feel pretty good about 404 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 3: the roster. You know, they did sign real Mito back 405 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 3: after they lost out. I think Bob Baschett was a 406 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 3: real like kicking the nuts to them. I think from 407 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 3: what I read, they thought they had a done deal 408 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 3: and just like at the last minute when Tucker said 409 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 3: yes to the Dodgers, the Mets just kind of went 410 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 3: crazy with their Bashette offer and that was that. So 411 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 3: that sucks for them, and it sucks even more than 412 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 3: he went to a division rival. So but yeah, I 413 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:10,640 Speaker 3: read the Phillies were done. I don't necessarily believe that. 414 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 3: Again with the Braves, I'm probably gonna get killed a 415 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 3: little bit for saying it, but like, yeah, I'm not 416 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 3: fully there on like ninety win team yet. If they 417 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 3: stay relatively healthy, they have the talent. They have the 418 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 3: talent of like a ninety five win team. Quite honestly, 419 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 3: they just have so much injury volatility built into the roster. 420 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 3: Don't think they quite have enough depth yet to make 421 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 3: me feel good about it. One more really good starting 422 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 3: picture would make me feel a lot better. But even 423 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 3: the offense and stuff, I'm still kind of worried about. 424 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:47,239 Speaker 3: So I'm probably gonna end up like you know, if 425 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:48,880 Speaker 3: you put a gun to my head, Like I think 426 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,360 Speaker 3: it's like an eighty six win like wild card team 427 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:53,879 Speaker 3: right now. But I'm gonna be the low man on that. 428 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 3: There's gonna that most most objective models see this as 429 00:21:57,960 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 3: as basically a ninety win team. 430 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:03,120 Speaker 1: I think we're the deepest team. I think that we 431 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:06,920 Speaker 1: the Bets, probably have the most high end talent in 432 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 1: the Phillies just or you know, experienced, and you know, 433 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 1: they they've got a lot of stars themselves, but you know, 434 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 1: we'll see it's definitely. That's the thing though, is that, 435 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 1: you know, that's why it's so important for the Braves 436 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 1: to have had the off season that they had, because 437 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:22,639 Speaker 1: you know, the you know, the bets, we're gonna make moves. 438 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 1: The Phillies to your point, haven't they could surprise, but 439 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 1: they were already at a pretty decent spot going into 440 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,120 Speaker 1: next year. But again, you know, every team's got risk 441 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,160 Speaker 1: as well. You know, what if what if the Bets, 442 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:34,400 Speaker 1: you know, I don't necessarily think they have that much depth, 443 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 1: or a lot of their young pitching may not live 444 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 1: up to form. If the Braves injury bug, you know, 445 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 1: bites again and again and again, and if with the 446 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 1: Phillies of age catches up put them. Everybody's got their concerns. 447 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 1: So it's certainly gonna be interesting to see what occurs. 448 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 1: Speaking of the injury bug, I think that that's something 449 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,399 Speaker 1: else that came, you know, kind of down the pipe 450 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,120 Speaker 1: today that I don't necessarily know if it's surprised many, 451 00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 1: but it was at least one of the more straightforward, 452 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:05,119 Speaker 1: transparent references that we've seed when it comes to Sean Murphy, 453 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:06,920 Speaker 1: Mark Bowman of mb. 454 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,200 Speaker 2: Dot com, you know, spoke or or wrote. 455 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 1: On the fact he had kind of been hitting that, 456 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 1: you know, Sean Murphy may not necessarily be ready for 457 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 1: spree trading, probably won't be ready for the start of 458 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,640 Speaker 1: the season. Well now it seems like that he's kind 459 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 1: of putting Sean Murphy's availability of the same trajectory as 460 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 1: Hassan KIV and I think that that will be a 461 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 1: bit of a surprise, not necessarily you know, shocking, but 462 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: that may be a bit more, a bit longer that 463 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 1: seaw Murphy's going to be out that many had anticipated. 464 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:36,439 Speaker 1: Don't have a lot of details as to why it 465 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 1: may be longer than mid he had anticipated, but those 466 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:42,160 Speaker 1: are you know, two significant pieces to the braves offensive 467 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 1: depth that they're likely going to be without maybe until 468 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 1: Memorial Day or even later. 469 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, So Bowman did his kind of like what 470 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 3: would the Braves lineup look like kind of post today 471 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 3: and kind of tucked in the middle of it, just 472 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 3: kind of off cuff, he made a comment something to 473 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:01,199 Speaker 3: the effect, I don't remember the exact quote, but some 474 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 3: of the effect of the Braves are hoping to get 475 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 3: both Hassan Kim and Sean Murphy back in sometime in May, 476 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:12,240 Speaker 3: and I read it and I just immediately thought, I 477 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,399 Speaker 3: was like, did we know that? Did we know that 478 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 3: May was like the timeline because I didn't maybe it 479 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 3: went past me some point in the offseason, But like 480 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,360 Speaker 3: I knew Sean Murphy was hurt and obviously had major 481 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:25,879 Speaker 3: hip surgery at the end of the season, which a 482 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 3: lot of people forgotten about, and I knew he probably 483 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 3: wouldn't be ready for opening day, but I did not 484 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,680 Speaker 3: have him on the same trajectory as like Hassan Kim 485 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:34,719 Speaker 3: where he could miss a third of the season. 486 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 1: We've seen the two but jump, like we've seed a 487 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,440 Speaker 1: increase and what his projective availability is because at the 488 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 1: end of the season, going into November, the thought was 489 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 1: he'd at least gets some activity in sprigue. You know, 490 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 1: it was reasonable to expect you back to start of 491 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 1: the season early January. Hey, he's probably gonna miss the 492 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,640 Speaker 1: start of the season now potentially a fourth to two 493 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 1: but fourth of the season to two butt, So that's 494 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 1: a big wide gap that we seed his you know, 495 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 1: such a return increase by. 496 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it really would know like details in between. 497 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 3: And again that's why That's what caught me off guarded 498 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:09,360 Speaker 3: day when Bowman road is because it was just kind 499 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:12,159 Speaker 3: of off the cough. He wasn't reporting on that, he 500 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,359 Speaker 3: was talking about a different subject and just kind of 501 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 3: included that, and I hadn't heard that, and I certainly 502 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 3: hadn't heard it from the team. And maybe when we 503 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:24,160 Speaker 3: get into spring training and Walt White starts talking every day, 504 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 3: we'll get some answers as to you know, did he 505 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 3: have a setback? Is it just progressing slower? You know, 506 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 3: I've actually like thought and this is a different we 507 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 3: can do a whole podcast episode on this. This is 508 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 3: gonna be kind of a like I've actually wondered, like 509 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:44,679 Speaker 3: should the Braves go get like a decent catcher and 510 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:48,160 Speaker 3: just carry three catchers whenever Sean Murphy gets back and 511 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 3: have two obviously was sher Murphy's out, like I thought 512 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 3: about like Mitch Garber just because he hits left handed pitching. 513 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:55,639 Speaker 3: And I think the Braves have a little bit of 514 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:59,160 Speaker 3: a hole against left handed pitching when Murphy's out and 515 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,920 Speaker 3: Hassan Kim's out, because those are two guys that for 516 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:03,960 Speaker 3: their career hit left handed pitching really well. That the 517 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 3: Braves are going to be without and it gets right 518 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:08,920 Speaker 3: handed pitching. The Braves are pretty good because your stripsky 519 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 3: is so good against them, he adds to the kind 520 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,359 Speaker 3: of the top five, but against lefties, I'm a little worried. 521 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,679 Speaker 3: I actually thought like, all right, well, if Murphy's going 522 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:20,200 Speaker 3: to be out for like till Memorial Day, you know, 523 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 3: should the Braves go get another catcher? And again what 524 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,160 Speaker 3: we can get in We can do that a whole 525 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 3: episode on that a different time. But yeah, it was 526 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,359 Speaker 3: notable that he just kind of, you know, Bowman just 527 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,879 Speaker 3: kind of included that Murphy might not get back until 528 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 3: May at some point. Now he didn't say early May, 529 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 3: he didn't say late May, he didn't say middle You 530 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,680 Speaker 3: know that there's a thirty day window in there where 531 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 3: any of that could be true. And also, you know, 532 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,639 Speaker 3: that could be something Bowman heard that was off the 533 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,920 Speaker 3: cuff when he heard it. So you know, I would 534 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 3: like a little more reporting on this, and I would 535 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 3: like it to be a little more official before I 536 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 3: say for certain that that's how long Murphy's going to 537 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:58,680 Speaker 3: be out. But you know, listen to the Braves. Beat 538 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 3: writer wrote that the Braves don't don't expect him back 539 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 3: till May today, so we have to talk about it 540 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,240 Speaker 3: and we have to tell you guys, and that's the 541 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,480 Speaker 3: latest news, and that's the first time we've really gotten 542 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,399 Speaker 3: an update on Murph since the end of the season. 543 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:15,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. 544 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 1: No, his last productive season of Mitch Garver's career. You 545 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,119 Speaker 1: mentioned his name. I think he makes a lot of 546 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 1: sense because I do think this Braves team needs a 547 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 1: bit of depth. 548 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 2: That they can rely on. 549 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 1: He gets left handers, but also he has familiarity with 550 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 1: Tim Hyers played with him in Texas in twenty two 551 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 1: to twenty three, had one of his better seasons in 552 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 1: twenty three as well, really his last productive one. I 553 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 1: think he could make sense and I don't think. 554 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 3: I think he destroys left. 555 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, he does. Bree Well. I think he's 556 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 2: followed off quite a bit. 557 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 1: When he was in Seattle, he signed a two year 558 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:48,880 Speaker 1: what twenty plus million dollars deal didn't work out at all, 559 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 1: but he could. He could be signed pretty cheap as well, 560 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 1: because he is a bit older. But I think he 561 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 1: would make a lot of sense. 562 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 2: And to wrap up. 563 00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,639 Speaker 1: One other things that I'll mention it is this is 564 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 1: we talkk about the injury bug already hitting the brains. 565 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 1: Joe him it Is, you know, Sean Murphy hasan KiB 566 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:08,680 Speaker 1: But the thing that I'll say is this is that 567 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:12,639 Speaker 1: if Joe him it Is and Hassan Kim can get 568 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 1: a clean mill of health some time you know, around 569 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 1: a prol or may and that if Sean Murphy can 570 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,680 Speaker 1: come back healthy as he's been for three years. If 571 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 1: those guys are fully healthy, Kim and him it Is 572 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 1: have reasons to play, you know, their butts off because 573 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 1: they're going to be free agents at the end of 574 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 1: this year. Sean Murphy no wants to bounce back. If 575 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 1: those guys are fully healthy and they can get back 576 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 1: to their normal level of production, that's three to four 577 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 1: wins right there from those three that you don't count 578 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 1: on but could be a possibility of coming to help out. 579 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 1: I'm not going to sit here and say it's like 580 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 1: a trade without making a trade, But the point that 581 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 1: I'm getting at is is that that's why we're saying 582 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 1: the talent on this team certainly exceeds what the expectations 583 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 1: probably are are you know, should be if you're cautious. 584 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 1: But those are three guys that could come back and 585 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,080 Speaker 1: combine could give you multiple wins, you know, in terms 586 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 1: of adding to your projections, and that's significant. 587 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's also like, oh, I mean, what is 588 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,960 Speaker 3: that like forty five million dollars those three guys make 589 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 3: next year. It's like Bradies have almost a two hundred 590 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 3: and sixty million dollar pays, like almost twenty percent of 591 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 3: the payroll. So it's a big deal. Like and again, 592 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 3: the Braves just can't catch any injury. Look, they've already 593 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 3: lost Hassan Kim and you know, we knew Sean Murphy 594 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 3: and and well, I'm not gonna say we knew about Joejimannz. 595 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 3: We kind of thought joejan Minnez would be back and 596 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 3: ready to go for twenty twenty six. Everything the Braves 597 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 3: have said so far has led me to believe that 598 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 3: will not be the case. And they have no idea 599 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 3: when Joeji Minniz will be ready or if he's going 600 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 3: to pitch at all. Honestly, that's another guy we really 601 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 3: haven't gotten many updates on, and the few we've gotten 602 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 3: work positive. So you know, that's a major piece of 603 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 3: the bullpen. And I you know, the Braves did go 604 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 3: out and really aggressively add to the bullpen. I think 605 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 3: maybe it's anticipation that Joejamandez might not be giving them 606 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 3: much this year. We'll see, But yeah, Murphy and Kim specifically. 607 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 3: It's specifically because Murphy and Kim hit left handed pitching, 608 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 3: both very well. Like again, I guess right handed pitching. 609 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 3: I'm not as worried about the Braves because a Kuna 610 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 3: hits Righty's Profar, Olsen, Baldwin, Yastremski. You know that's a 611 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 3: really like you know, you're gonna get something decent from Riley, 612 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 3: like it geinst right handed pitching. The Braves have a 613 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 3: lot of weapons, I guess lefties. I'm a little like, 614 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,719 Speaker 3: it's not quite the same from Olsen, it's it's not 615 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 3: quite the same from Profar. It's you know, it's definitely 616 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,200 Speaker 3: not the same from Yastremsky. Like you need a little 617 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 3: bit more help. And that's where Murphy and and you know, 618 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 3: Hasak Kim were supposed to help. So that's why I 619 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 3: kind of won another bat. And I've talked about this 620 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 3: a lot. I would love another right handed bat to 621 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 3: help against lefties, either an outfielder or like I said 622 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 3: to it earlier, maybe even a catcher if Murphy's gonna 623 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,959 Speaker 3: be out for two months. But yeah, you know, I 624 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 3: think the offense could still use a little help. But 625 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:59,040 Speaker 3: the main thesis of this show is, go get a 626 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 3: starting pitcher, Go get Chris, but just go sign Chris Passt. Honestly, 627 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 3: like I know, he's not going to be like the 628 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,840 Speaker 3: most exciting name in people, but it's a good picture. 629 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 3: It would help you. He's a really reliable picture, which 630 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,720 Speaker 3: is something that is almost more valuable to the Braves 631 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,120 Speaker 3: than Upsided. I thought you made the best point of 632 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 3: the show that, like the floor is just is more 633 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,719 Speaker 3: valuable to the Braves right now, and I agree with that. 634 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 3: So go sign, go sign a picture. 635 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 1: And it may not be as sexy as a faber 636 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 1: valt is or is that Galian, but it's sensible and 637 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 1: that's what I think braves need. That's one thing that 638 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 1: we've kind of complained about several times over the past 639 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,160 Speaker 1: few years as the Braves not doing the sensible thing. 640 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 1: They haven't necessarily done the sexy thing, but they haven't 641 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 1: done the sensible thing either. I think excided Chris pass 642 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 1: it would be pretty sensible. You could buy Steven Tolbert 643 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 1: at be under square outliers or Twitter slash x myself, 644 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 1: showt covidat stats sac forgive me for about having my 645 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,720 Speaker 1: handled out at the bottom, but Steven, thank you for 646 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 1: carrying the load through this episode. 647 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 2: I appreciate your understanding. 648 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:57,480 Speaker 1: Is always a pleasure to do these with you, and 649 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 1: it's always it's a pleasure to do these for you, 650 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 1: our valuable listeners. We can't thank you enough for our support, 651 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 1: especially as we're curied up for this season. Until next time, 652 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 1: Go Grades. We'll talk to you again soon. Here on 653 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 1: the Habit Territory pot