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Speaker 1: and they lost, so it's we when we win, it's

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Speaker 1: they win, they lose. So even though and when you

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Speaker 1: see fans of long suffering fan fan bases, it's because

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Speaker 1: they've had success. You look at the Cubs hundred and

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Speaker 1: eight year drought, they have been to the World Series,

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Speaker 1: they had lost, they had had heartbreakers, all of these things.

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Speaker 1: That's what invests the fans. But then when you and

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Speaker 1: having history, that that is it. But the things that

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Speaker 1: build their program mark first of all, the administration. The

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Speaker 1: schools have to make a quote unquote commitment to winning.

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Speaker 1: That commitment to winning is financial, it is um Sometimes

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Speaker 1: with your admissions anders if you are Notre Dame, sometimes

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Speaker 1: you might have to let some kids you wouldn't normally

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Speaker 1: qualify into into school. If there is there has to

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Speaker 1: be a commitment, then you need a coach. Your coach

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Speaker 1: has to build a culture. He's gotta want to be there.

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Speaker 1: He's gotta bring a good staff, and he's got to

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Speaker 1: recruit good players and from there. Because if you notice

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Speaker 1: what happens at winning schools, because my mind and I

447
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Speaker 1: can judge, for I can show you this from Oregon.

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Speaker 1: Before I got to Oregon, in Oregon was not what

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Speaker 1: it is now. Like kids weren't uh, you didn't see

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Speaker 1: Oregon gear in Los Angeles. You didn't see it in Florida, Alabama, Texas,

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Speaker 1: nowhere else. So then the fans became so rabid and

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Speaker 1: so crazy when they were winning. Same thing with Nebraska fans.

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Speaker 1: Why they keep selling even though the team is not winning.

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Speaker 1: There's pride surrounding it. People care about this team. They

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Speaker 1: care about it because they won so much and because

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Speaker 1: they were great in the community, all of that. It's

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Speaker 1: small town thing. So if you build it, the fans

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Speaker 1: will become invested. Their kids will want to sport the gear.

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Speaker 1: That's what makes fans invested. It is not just the

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Speaker 1: fans saying, oh, we're going to show up. Yeah, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna show up. And then because the fans don't have

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Speaker 1: the fans have a minimal impact on winning and losing.

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Speaker 1: So you have to give them something to cheer about,

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Speaker 1: something to be invested in. Some I mean, when when

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Speaker 1: you look at bad teams, do do what you think

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Speaker 1: that anybody from let's say, uh, okay, even though this

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Speaker 1: team is on the uptick right right now, do you

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Speaker 1: think that Oregon State fans even even now when when

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Speaker 1: when they lose is a game when they lost the

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Speaker 1: Oklahoma State do do you think anybody in the community

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Speaker 1: lost sleep or like had a bad day or went

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Speaker 1: home and kick their dog. No, But when Oregon loses

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Speaker 1: people are upset when when um, when USC what lose

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Speaker 1: When Pete Carroll was there when they lost in the

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Speaker 1: National Championship game to uh to Texas, it was a

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Speaker 1: lot of very very upset people. When you ce l A.

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Speaker 1: Law had the debacca with Miami with with the hurricane, well,

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Speaker 1: um yeah that thing. People were upset when Alabama loses

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Speaker 1: people poison trees. I mean, it is that serious and

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Speaker 1: if you build it, they will come, Ralph. It is

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Speaker 1: not the other way around. And I think I mean

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Speaker 1: you can have you can, like you said, you can

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Speaker 1: lay foundational block for people to want to attend your games,

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Speaker 1: but those don't necessarily make for foundational blocks for long

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Speaker 1: term success, which is the way to build a long

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Speaker 1: term affinity for your fans. So take a team like

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Speaker 1: the Miami Marlins, for example, they have two World Series

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Speaker 1: and their short history, right, they averaged in two thousand,

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Speaker 1: eighteen ten thousand fans per game. Ten thousand fans per

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Speaker 1: game for a Major League Baseball team that has two

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Speaker 1: World Series titles. And so you know, it's not just

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Speaker 1: it's not just winning, it's the culture. It's a little

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Speaker 1: bit of everything, and you have to be invested in

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Speaker 1: making it something you know, where where where where people

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Speaker 1: want to be. You know, when I bring up Nebraska

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Speaker 1: as an example, some people wonder if I'm insulting uh,

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Speaker 1: if I'm insulting Nebraska, or or if I'm insulting all

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Speaker 1: of these Pack twelve schools where where the attendance isn't

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Speaker 1: that great. And basically what I'm trying to say is,

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Speaker 1: like you, George, the fans have no bearing on whether

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Speaker 1: or not they're gonna win the game. That's up to

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Speaker 1: the players and coaches. So you could fill a stadium

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Speaker 1: with a hundred thousand people, but if the players don't

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Speaker 1: execute that, that's really on them. But the ability to

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Speaker 1: fill a stadium with a hundred thousand people has to

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Speaker 1: do with the culture that you create around that program.

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Speaker 1: And I had a lot of people reply to me

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Speaker 1: on Twitter today and say, well, that's because there's nothing

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Speaker 1: to do in Lincoln, Nebraska. And I think that that

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Speaker 1: would have been the case ten years ago. That's a

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Speaker 1: fun insult to her all at the people of Nebraska.

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Speaker 1: Ten years ago. I'm from a small town, I get it.

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Speaker 1: But now with four k h D ultra televisions, with

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Speaker 1: video games that make you feel like you're in another

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Speaker 1: world with everything in the world on demand on Netflix

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Speaker 1: and things like that. You could have more fun in Lincoln,

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Speaker 1: Nebraska in two thousand nineteen than you could have had

518
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Speaker 1: in Disneyland in the nineteen eighties. The possibilities are endless,

519
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Speaker 1: George Like, the fact that anybody ever leaves their house

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Speaker 1: and more is miraculous because you have everything that you

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Speaker 1: could ever want right in your home, and they continue

522
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 1: to try to make things as convenient for us as possible.

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Speaker 1: It takes some effort to want to go out in

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Speaker 1: the cold and Lincoln, Nebraska, stand outside all day long,

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Speaker 1: pay your hard earned money to go into a stadium

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Speaker 1: and get beat by Purdue. Those people are still making

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Speaker 1: that choice. And and again, if a full stadium would

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Speaker 1: mean that the team on the field is gonna win,

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Speaker 1: then yeah, I I would say that that column is right,

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Speaker 1: and you need to fill the stadiums. But the building

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Speaker 1: blocks I think of any program success just have to

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Speaker 1: be uh the same thing that the coach tells the

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Speaker 1: players to stay humble and stay hungry, understand that you

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00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: can't lean on your past successes, and understand that that

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00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 1: in order to be great, you're gonna have to be

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00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 1: invested and make some sacrifice. But that happens at a

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Speaker 1: program level like that, that has nothing to do with

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Speaker 1: the people that are sitting in the nosebleeds on a Saturday.

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Speaker 1: I just I just don't. I don't feel that that's

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Speaker 1: the case. I one agree with you. You guys, make

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Speaker 1: sure that you guys go to Unafraid show dot com

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Speaker 1: check out all the articles there. And also, um make

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Speaker 1: sure you got to share the podcast. Tell a friend

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Speaker 1: about the pack two all apostles. This is the podcast

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Speaker 1: for us. Um can we talk about Willie Taggerty? We

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Speaker 1: talk about quick Yes. So if you have not heard,

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Speaker 1: I mean, actually I don't know if you would be

548
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: listening to this podcast if you hadn't heard the fact

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00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: that Willie Taggert got fired. Willie Taggert got fired by

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Speaker 1: the Florida State Seminals, former Oregon head coach who created

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Speaker 1: a controversy when he left, when he walked out the door. Uh,

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00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: it was a big deal. And now he has been

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Speaker 1: fired after a year and a half. So I had

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00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: a couple of little stats from from others. So he

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00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 1: was nine twelve at Florida State. He um he signed

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Speaker 1: a well, actually they haven't even produced the actual contract.

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Speaker 1: He has a letter of intent that's been published, but

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Speaker 1: the actual contract doesn't appear to be finalized yet or

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Speaker 1: they just haven't produced it for some reason, even though

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Speaker 1: it's a public institution. Six years, thirty million dollars and

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Speaker 1: they owe him eighty five percent of the remaining salary.

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Speaker 1: So Willie Taggert will take home approximately seventeen million on

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Speaker 1: his way out as f s U, plus the approximate

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Speaker 1: ten million dollars he made already. How do you what? Where?

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Speaker 1: Where do you stand on on this? And I'll get

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Speaker 1: to where I stand as a former I mean so

567
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Speaker 1: well as a Oregon fan and how this worked out well,

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Speaker 1: I will tell you this. Shortly after he was hired Sebuary,

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Speaker 1: shortly after he was hired by Oregon, he said something,

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Speaker 1: he made some public comments, and I made my mind

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Speaker 1: up right then and there. I was like, this guy

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Speaker 1: is not gonna last. And I even tweeted that Willie

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Speaker 1: Taggart isn't going to last, you guys. That's that's what

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Speaker 1: I tweeted. And it was basically because he was talking

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Speaker 1: about the Andrew Greif column. Um I believe about the

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00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:20,240
Speaker 1: players being hospitalized from rhabdosis or whatever. And he said,

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00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 1: when you're not fair and honest, then to me, that's personal.

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00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 1: When you do something that's negative and it's going to

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Speaker 1: be personal, then I won't have shipped to do with you.

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Speaker 1: And so it was when Willie Taggart drew a line

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Speaker 1: in the sand on honesty in college football, that was like,

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Speaker 1: if this guy loses, he's gonna spontaneously combust, and if

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Speaker 1: he wins, it'll bring more scrutiny, and he's gonna spontaneously

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Speaker 1: combust as well. Because in a few short weeks after

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Speaker 1: he was hired by Oregon, he had two scandals, a

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Speaker 1: beef with a reporter, a coach get a d u

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Speaker 1: I and another coach tweet a picture of ducks flying

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Speaker 1: in like a cock and ball's formation, which when I

589
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 1: pointed out to that coach um ended up with me

590
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 1: being blocked on Twitter. That was coach Jimmy Doherty. It

591
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 1: was just like it was just a mess. He I

592
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 1: can't hold on. Let me see if I can find

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Speaker 1: the tweet. He said, recruits right now, ducks fly northwest

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Speaker 1: for the fall. And it was just a gift of

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Speaker 1: a bunch of Mallard ducks flying in the shape of

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Speaker 1: a of a penis um and I was like, man,

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Speaker 1: these coaches don't know the area. They don't know what

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Speaker 1: they're doing. Um. And you know when he when he

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00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 1: was given the opportunity, he bounced to Florida State while

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Speaker 1: standing in Tyler Shuck's backyard taking calls from you know

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Speaker 1: that that administration while also recruiting him, and so you

602
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Speaker 1: know that I was not a lot of love lost

603
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Speaker 1: on on on my end of things. I was kind

604
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: of happy to see him. I thought it was a

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Speaker 1: fantastic recruiter. I thought the biggest appeal of Willie Taggert

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Speaker 1: was his staff. And he didn't take the wind, took

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Speaker 1: all the all the bad coaches or or or the

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Speaker 1: coaches that that weren't either great recruiters or all of that.

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Speaker 1: He left well, he took those guys with him, and

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Speaker 1: he left Mario Cristo ball Royal, bunch of other guys

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Speaker 1: and a bunch of other staff at Oregon. He made

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Speaker 1: the the people who had been there, who had fallen

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Speaker 1: into the trap of the old coaches, who had who

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Speaker 1: I love and who are near and dear to my heart,

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Speaker 1: but they had believed as a thing that you couldn't

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Speaker 1: recruit to Oregon. You couldn't recruit top ten classes. You

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Speaker 1: you know that, And the u USC would always have

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Speaker 1: the advantage. Texas, all these schools would always have the advantage.

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Speaker 1: And Willie Tagger came in like, Okay, why why not us?

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Speaker 1: Our name is buzzing out here in these streets. So

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Speaker 1: he was I thank him for that. His teams are undisciplined,

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Speaker 1: they always lead the Conference of the nation and penalties.

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Speaker 1: You know. He He's a guy who I believe could

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Speaker 1: have been a really good coach. But here is the

625
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 1: problem in life. Sometimes your gifts, talents, and abilities take

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Speaker 1: you to a place that you are either not prepared

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00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: for or not mentally, spiritually and emotionally ready for it.

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Speaker 1: So there's something to be said about getting too much

629
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Speaker 1: too soon, And that's what happened with Willie Tagger. He

630
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 1: needed more years of development. Like when you get fast

631
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 1: tracked in coaching, it's like if you get fast tracked

632
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: in life. Sometimes you don't have the requisite skills, you

633
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 1: don't have the depth of knowledge to be able to

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Speaker 1: be successful in certain jobs in certain fields. Even though

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Speaker 1: you may have talent out of the roof, sometimes you

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00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 1: are not just ready yet just just just because you

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Speaker 1: can jump a a fifty in vertical and can make

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00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 1: thirty three pointers in a in a row, that doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean that you are mentally ready for the grind of

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Speaker 1: the NBA. And so I mean that's uh, that's the

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00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 1: Peter principle, right, the concept and management that people in

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00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: a hierarchy, like they rise to their level of incompetence,

643
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 1: Like you'll get promoted, and you'll get promoted to get promoted,

644
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 1: until one day you end up in a position that

645
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: you're not ready for, not prepared for, and not equipped for.

646
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 1: And I think we all run into that, Like I

647
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 1: just I just scrapped an NFL podcast that I've been

648
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 1: working on for over a year. Before the first episode,

649
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 1: I actually recorded a couple of episodes, I scrapped the

650
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 1: entire thing because I realized that, like, oh my gosh,

651
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 1: like I'm out, I'm literally out of my league, Like

652
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 1: it's not my passion, it's not what I pay the

653
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 1: most attention to, and and and I was able to

654
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 1: catch it before the whole thing went down in flames

655
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 1: and affected my credibility in other areas. Not that I

656
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 1: have all that much to begin with, but you have

657
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 1: to be you have to be self aware to a

658
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 1: certain extent um. But if the Peter principal involves someone

659
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:05,359
Speaker 1: handing you tens of millions of dollars to be at

660
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 1: your highest level living competent, snap, I will do a

661
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: bad job for you for twenty million dollars. Absolutely I will. Yeah,

662
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 1: I will. I will fail. Don't don't worry and all

663
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 1: the public scrutiny and all the shaming that comes with it.

664
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 1: I'll get over it, I promise. I will not. Yeah,

665
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,720
Speaker 1: I will. I will not sue, I won't bite back.

666
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: I'll just you know, I'll just take take my lumps

667
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: and say, you know what, I did not do a

668
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 1: good job. You know, maybe maybe next time around, because

669
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:41,879
Speaker 1: Willie Tagger is going to coach again. Okay, So that

670
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 1: that brings me the question is how I want to

671
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: tie it back into the pack twelve. Is there a

672
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 1: place for him in the specific anyway, any any position,

673
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 1: any coordinator job anyway. Um? Okay, so he wasn't doing

674
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 1: a good job as a coordinator either because well as

675
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 1: a coordinate or and a head coach. Maybe he just

676
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 1: needs to be a coordinator. That actually the proper place

677
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 1: for him at this point in time is in Nick

678
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:15,839
Speaker 1: Saban's soup Kitchen for coaches where yeah, where where he

679
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 1: failed head coaches? Could he do that? Could could Urban Meyer?

680
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 1: Could Urban Meyer? If he gets hired at USC, could

681
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:30,320
Speaker 1: he have his own West Coast sup kitchen? He could?

682
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 1: But but like urban Meyer isn't a soup kitchen kind

683
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 1: of kind of kind of guy. He use, yeah, exactly, Yeah,

684
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 1: he had Oh boy Rutgers, Oh my goodness. Uh Siano,

685
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 1: he said, you know the zach Um. Yeah, we want

686
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 1: to talk about Jack Smith. Yeah, so yeah, so he's yeah,

687
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,280
Speaker 1: so he's he's running a frat house. He's not running

688
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 1: a soup kitchen. And oh, but then that can transition

689
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 1: us over into a coach that If you read Bill

690
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 1: Plashki's article in The l A Times, it looks like

691
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 1: he basically fired Clay Hilton last night. He said Clay

692
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:16,839
Speaker 1: Hilton's done and that and Russia. Markazi, I believe wrote

693
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:20,839
Speaker 1: an article saying that from unanimous sources that he's heard

694
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 1: from that USC is going to do anything it takes.

695
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 1: Do you hear the words anything it takes to get

696
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 1: Urban Meyers their head coach. Do you think that's what

697
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 1: was behind the athletic director higher that they're rumored to

698
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 1: be about to make the the the guy from Cincinnati,

699
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 1: Mike Mike Bone. Yeah, he was at he was at

700
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 1: Colorado and he got ousted at at Colorado. Well, first

701
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:53,800
Speaker 1: of all, he made a couple of really crappy football

702
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,839
Speaker 1: um the guy from u C l A. Oh, he

703
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 1: he hired Embrie, Mike McIntyre, Ambrian Hawkins, Embry Hawks, and

704
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 1: Mike McIntyre. So he hired McIntyre McIntyre. I would say

705
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 1: that he's probably like two for five because he also

706
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 1: he hired Tom Cable at Idaho and Tom Cable, I

707
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:17,919
Speaker 1: mean ended up an NFL coach, right, so you can't

708
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,319
Speaker 1: argue with the eventual results. But Tom Cable also won

709
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: like five or six total games at Idaho in several

710
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,359
Speaker 1: years as the head coach, so he did a very

711
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 1: bad job for Idaho. Uh, Embry was just tear. That's

712
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 1: the worst Colorado has ever been And that was what

713
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 1: Mike and Mike McIntyre had to put that. And I

714
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: think probably they're still yeah yeah, but wasn't that part

715
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 1: of the administration's fault too, because they wouldn't give coaches

716
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 1: long term contracts, So then they couldn't get recruits. Yeah,

717
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 1: I suppose so would you would you be okay with

718
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 1: like as a consolation prize if they can't get urban

719
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 1: Meyer with the mic bone connection, bringing Luke Fickle over

720
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 1: from Cincinnati, because that's a Luke Fickle is a good coach,

721
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 1: as u c l A fans, Aska asked as Ohio

722
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 1: State fans who who he's given a little bit of

723
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 1: trouble even though he hasn't beat him. Yeah, people believe

724
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 1: Luke Fickle is a good coach But the problem with

725
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 1: hiring him at USC is the same problem that USC

726
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 1: has all the time. They want a big name, splashy

727
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: hire all of this, and they have a double problem.

728
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 1: They got to build a movie with Brad Pitt, even

729
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 1: if it's not the role for him, like you gotta

730
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 1: have a minute. So so if you bring in urban

731
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 1: Meyer you run into two problems. First thing is, hey,

732
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 1: you said we would do anything we possibly can, So

733
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 1: anything that actually fits right into urban Meyer's you know, style,

734
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 1: anything possible, because scandal has followed urban Meyer wherever he

735
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: has gone. It is the truth. He's a great coach,

736
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: he is, you know, but off the field at Florida,

737
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 1: so many arrests you got. I mean everything from the

738
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:20,959
Speaker 1: Pouncy Brothers to Aaron Hernandez to a litany of other

739
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:24,359
Speaker 1: guys who were under his watching, under his tutelage that

740
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 1: had significant issues during college and after college. So you

741
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:33,320
Speaker 1: can't say he's developing these men into into better human beings.

742
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:38,240
Speaker 1: All right, then you have what happened at Ohio State

743
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:43,399
Speaker 1: very clear, very very evident, nothing to talk about. So

744
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 1: you so California is a very liberal and progressive place. Uh,

745
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 1: they protect their women, protect children, all of these things.

746
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: And the lady who they hired as their president is

747
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 1: of Champions Women. So how are you going to get

748
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 1: around urban Meyer and his history and there and their

749
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:17,839
Speaker 1: new athletic director being in California? How are you going

750
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:21,439
Speaker 1: to sell this? That would be my question. I'm sure

751
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 1: they'll like launch some foundation at the same time as

752
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 1: it is. I wasn't a buyer into this. I wasn't

753
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 1: a buyer into it, like a rumor could be so

754
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 1: loud and be true at the same time, because it's

755
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 1: just there's no way, right, there's no way that you

756
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 1: could know twelve months before the fact that Clay Helton

757
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 1: is probably gonna get fire and that urban Meyer is

758
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 1: probably gonna take over, Like it can't be that obvious.

759
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: Why nothing ever works that way? And now that we

760
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 1: get closer to what feels like the inevitable from happening,

761
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:54,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my goodness, Like, how was it this obvious?

762
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 1: Like and at this point it feels like maybe there's

763
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 1: no no other option, like this is definitely going to

764
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 1: have and somehow I'll still be surprised that they were

765
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 1: able to they were able to make things work out

766
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 1: in the open the way that they did, Like this

767
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 1: is this is Anthony Davis. This is Anthony Davis level tamper, right,

768
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,320
Speaker 1: Like for an entire year, you knew that he was

769
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 1: going to be paired with Lebron James, and you're like, well,

770
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 1: you we can't have Rich Paul just out here like

771
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 1: talking about it like we can't. We can't make it

772
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 1: that obvious. And then it happened. So I mean, if

773
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 1: it can happen with Anthony Davis, why not urban Line? Okay?

774
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 1: And then something I was talking to somebody at the

775
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 1: booth yesterday and they said, oh, I don't know if

776
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: urban Meyer if he wants to coach because of his

777
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 1: health issues and all that and I was like, what

778
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 1: what health issues? So you want do you want me

779
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 1: to grant it? Do do I think he is Jack Lilane? No?

780
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 1: Do I think he is the healthiest manner. But here

781
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 1: is the thing. He retired from Ohio with these fake

782
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: fainting episodes on the sideline and all of that. And

783
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 1: I know the college coaching college football stressful, but for

784
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 1: a man who has health problems then left in that

785
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 1: same year that you were that you retired for health problems.

786
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 1: You you take a job in the administration as like

787
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 1: the assistant athletic director at Ohio State. You take a

788
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 1: job doing a rigorous doing a podcast multiple times a

789
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: week on leadership and all of this stuff. And then

790
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 1: you take a Fox job where you have to fly

791
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 1: across the country every single week. So this man has

792
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:42,879
Speaker 1: three jobs. Does that sounds like anybody who has health problems? Ralph?

793
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 1: I mean, it sounds like somebody who's inviting health problems,

794
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 1: is what it sounds like. It sounds like somebody who

795
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 1: has trouble and work life balance like and that. And

796
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 1: I think that a lot of if he keeps having

797
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 1: to retire or move on from jobs, because just his

798
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:02,399
Speaker 1: methodology is ultimately what affects his health. Then I think

799
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 1: what you're talking about is something that's really it's really

800
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,359
Speaker 1: on him, it's really on his habits. I look at

801
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 1: I look at his schedule just now and what he's

802
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 1: up to, and I'm like, man, how is this better? Exactly?

803
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 1: Is that a dude with health problems? I mean, it's

804
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 1: it's an interesting dance to do. I would say this,

805
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 1: he would have been a lot more forthcoming about not

806
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:31,799
Speaker 1: wanting to coach again than he has been if he

807
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 1: believed that his health would preclude him from doing so.

808
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:41,319
Speaker 1: Could that still be the case? Like, I know, I

809
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,319
Speaker 1: work a sales job. One time I was working, I

810
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:45,799
Speaker 1: was working probably like a hundred hours a week. It

811
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 1: was sales, it was marketing, it was social media. I

812
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 1: mean it was he was an absolute crazy schedule. I

813
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 1: was making fantastic money. Um. And I'm not really like

814
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 1: a money person. I've never really been motivated. But that's

815
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 1: why I'm working sports now. Um. But there was a

816
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 1: time when like just going to that job would elevate

817
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:05,880
Speaker 1: my my bottom number on my blood pressure by Like

818
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:08,720
Speaker 1: I would get my blood pressure taken in the morning

819
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:11,240
Speaker 1: and get it taken like at work and it would

820
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 1: fluctuate that much every single day, and it got to

821
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 1: the point where I was like, all right, I took

822
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 1: two weeks off and and and kind of established a

823
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 1: baseline and eventually ended up like moving into something else

824
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 1: and so like it. But even I would have to

825
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 1: admit in that situation of like, Okay, if I keep

826
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 1: going to this job, it could have seriously adverse health effects.

827
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 1: So if somebody asked me if I'm gonna go back

828
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 1: to this job after I've been out of it for

829
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 1: a year, I would say, like, no, probably not because

830
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 1: it could kill me. And he doesn't seem to have

831
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 1: that same concerns. He's like, well, he's like, as far

832
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 1: as I know, I'm done, you are you ask yourself

833
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 1: as far as far as as far as I know,

834
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 1: I'm not leaving my my wife and family. Yeah, as

835
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 1: far as I know. Men are only as faithful as

836
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 1: their options. Is that. That's like Chris Rockline, right, So

837
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 1: it's like, as far as I know, I'm done because

838
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 1: they haven't offered me the job yet. As soon as

839
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 1: they offered me the job, will know whether I'm done

840
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 1: or not. Yeah, he's been super coy about it. But

841
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 1: if he doesn't take this job, it's gonna be well, actually,

842
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: well two parts. If he does take the job, he

843
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 1: gets instant credible credibility. USC is back. They're gonna recruit,

844
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 1: They're gonna be able to flip recruit. It's going to

845
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 1: turn around super quick. That's the first thing. If they don't,

846
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 1: oh dude, they're gonna be screwed. They're gonna end up

847
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 1: with like Jack del Rio as their coach, which which

848
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 1: will be a disaster to Yeah, exactly. Um okay, So

849
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 1: now we can get to our PACT twelve power rankers

850
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:47,919
Speaker 1: and then get into the games. Ralph, what is your

851
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:51,440
Speaker 1: in your PAC twelve power rankings? Because this has gotten

852
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 1: very difficult, extremely difficult, and and I want to say

853
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 1: this ahead of time, that it is time that we

854
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 1: start letting the records and the results speak and stop

855
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 1: trying to, you know, use our quote unquote eye test

856
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 1: and the team this loud subject and the coaches and

857
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:22,760
Speaker 1: the coaches that we think are good, the coaches the

858
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 1: teams that we thought were good in the preseason and

859
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 1: that are perennially good. We have to let the results

860
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 1: speak for themselves, Ralph, We have to so with So

861
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 1: with that said, what is your twelve to Actually, yes,

862
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 1: that was a little bit of a subtweet at you,

863
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:48,840
Speaker 1: but but even bigger than that, it's more at the

864
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:54,399
Speaker 1: entire nation because I'm sitting there like, look, you have

865
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 1: to just let the results speak. Stop trying to want

866
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:02,319
Speaker 1: it to be something else, because it's not that. Oh man,

867
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get made fun of for mine. But if

868
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 1: you if you just showed me mine before, maybe you

869
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 1: showed it to me and said like, hey, these are

870
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:12,840
Speaker 1: someone's packed up powering kings, I'd make fun of them.

871
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 1: So all right, let's just kick it off. These are

872
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 1: my twelve through seven. Coming in at number twelve, I've

873
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 1: got Colorado there one in five in conference. They can't

874
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 1: stop anybody. We only get good Stephen Montez once out

875
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:29,800
Speaker 1: of every three weeks, and sometimes that's not even enough. Uh.

876
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:33,719
Speaker 1: Coming in at number eleven, I have got Arizona who

877
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 1: fired their defensive coordinator for giving up four hundred and

878
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 1: fifty yards a game only to turn around and give

879
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 1: up five hundred and fifty yards and eight touchdowns. You

880
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 1: and I talked about this podcast that it was definitely

881
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 1: not a it wasn't a coaching issue. Is definitely personnel

882
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:51,799
Speaker 1: and so, which I guess comes back to coaching and

883
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:54,879
Speaker 1: recruiting as well. But yeah, they're they're not good right now.

884
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:58,840
Speaker 1: At number ten, I have Washington State, UM, which I

885
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:01,400
Speaker 1: still feel like Washington stay. It is a very capable

886
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 1: football team, but they just come out on the losing

887
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 1: end every single week. And so you know they're one

888
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 1: foreign conference. It is what it is. Their victories every

889
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 1: single week that goes by their victories out of conference

890
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 1: don't look that great. Um, Cal didn't play and I

891
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:21,360
Speaker 1: bumped them down, so feel free to talk about my inconsistency. UM.

892
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 1: At number eight, I've got Arizona State and they could

893
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 1: possibly be lower, and I don't think that you can

894
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 1: argue that because again Colorado is one in five in

895
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 1: conference and guess who that win is against on the road. Um.

896
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:38,320
Speaker 1: And at number seven, I have Stanford, uh, the Jacklin

897
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,760
Speaker 1: hide of the conference. UM. You know they some weeks

898
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 1: they deserve to be top six and some weeks they

899
00:53:43,640 --> 00:54:00,160
Speaker 1: deserve to be in the bottom three. Hello yeah, oh

900
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 1: should I go all the way through? Oh wait, wait,

901
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 1: what what number? Did you stop that? I thought you

902
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:10,240
Speaker 1: were at number eight? Okay, hold up, okay, I'm trip Okay,

903
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 1: so what what what were your twelve? Because I Colorado, Arizona,

904
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 1: Washington State, Cal, Arizona State, Stanford is my bottom six. Okay, okay, cool, okay,

905
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 1: um okay, okay, we'll pit pick up from there, um, Ralph.

906
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 1: I don't hate your I don't hate your bottom teams.

907
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 1: There is, though, one team that is in your bottom

908
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 1: teams that's not in my bottom team. So I have

909
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 1: Colorado coming in at twelve. They are an epic disaster.

910
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:55,279
Speaker 1: They're falling apart. I mean, they can't beat anybody at

911
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 1: this point in point in time. And yes, it's a

912
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 1: personnel issue, but part of it though, like I don't

913
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 1: know if they've just quit though a little bit too.

914
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 1: He needs different people because these people don't have the

915
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:09,880
Speaker 1: type of football character that you need apparently. I mean,

916
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:12,760
Speaker 1: and mind you, that's not a knock on the kids

917
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 1: that that comes from coaching. So that comes from uh

918
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 1: McIntyre and his staff. They quit on on him, and

919
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 1: now they're quitting on Mail when the going gets tough.

920
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 1: I got Cal coming in at number eleven. No, sorry,

921
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 1: I have Arizona coming in at number eleven. I apologize.

922
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 1: Cal did not play and went up in the rankings.

923
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 1: Arizona is it's just awful, dude, just awful. Pick a

924
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 1: quarterback please. I said that they will not win until

925
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 1: they pick a quarterback. Do you want Grant Cannell or

926
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 1: do you want uh Khalil Tate? And Khalil Tate only

927
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 1: shows up to play sometimes. I don't get it. Last

928
00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:59,320
Speaker 1: last week, he ran the ball all over the place.

929
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 1: This week, I'm not. I'm I'm not running. I'm les

930
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 1: a fair I'm checked out. Well, well that's what you get,

931
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 1: and this is what you get. Mike Sumlin, pick make

932
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 1: a choice. A double manded man is unstable in all

933
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:13,719
Speaker 1: his ways. That's why you're number eleven. I want to

934
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 1: move you to number twelve. But Colorado is just awful.

935
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:20,880
Speaker 1: Number ten. I got cal Cal is a better football

936
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 1: team than number ten. However, they are falling. I'm sorry.

937
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:32,360
Speaker 1: They are zeros, zeros without their quarterback, without Chase Garber's.

938
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:34,839
Speaker 1: Hopefully they get them back for the last to get

939
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:37,359
Speaker 1: games of the season against what Stanford and U C.

940
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 1: L A. That's that's my hope for them. Next team up,

941
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:47,239
Speaker 1: I got Washington State. You can't argue with the results.

942
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:51,240
Speaker 1: They're wanted four in the conference. Yes, their offense is difficult,

943
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:56,879
Speaker 1: is difficult to uh stop, but they can't get enough

944
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 1: plays on offense to win games, and their defensive being

945
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 1: actually gives it up to UM. Next team up I

946
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:10,359
Speaker 1: got at number At number eight, I got Arizona State.

947
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:14,319
Speaker 1: This is a team that I was that when they

948
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 1: were doing so well in the beginning of the season,

949
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 1: I felt like that they were that they were living,

950
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 1: that they had built a house on quicksand that they

951
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 1: had won so many one possession games that could have

952
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 1: gone the other way. Jayden Daniels was saving them. They

953
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 1: were playing with you know, seventeen year old tackle and

954
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 1: young offensive alignment, so many true true freshmen that this

955
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 1: was a recipe to fall apart at some point in time,

956
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 1: and that's what's happened. And at number seven, I have Washington.

957
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 1: I have Washington at number seven. You cannot argue with this.

958
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 1: You you you can't argue with the results. They are

959
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 1: two and four in the Pac twelve. They have lost

960
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 1: two cal who we both say is in towards the

961
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 1: bottom right. They've lost to Stanford. Yeah, they've lost to Oregon,

962
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 1: and they have lost to UM get it, lost to

963
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:16,120
Speaker 1: cow Stanford, Oregon and they lost one more. Who else

964
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 1: did they lose to? Ralph cow Stanford Oregon? Oh? Why

965
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 1: is it escaped me? Oh? U tak this this weekend?

966
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 1: They lost the Utah uh so so yeah, so you

967
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 1: can't argue with the results. They are who they are.

968
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 1: They're two and four in conference, they're five and four overall.

969
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 1: We can't pretend like there's something that they're not now.

970
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 1: Ralph Weiser won to six. Coming at number six, I've

971
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 1: got Oregon State. Their offense is just so much fun

972
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 1: to watch. Jake Lewton continues to just be accurate, not

973
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:55,480
Speaker 1: turn the ball over. Um when they run, it's just

974
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 1: a very no nonsense style. Ah. That defense might be

975
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 1: a one man defense, but what a man hamilcar Rochette is.

976
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:06,920
Speaker 1: He's he's something else. He's somebody that I was all like.

977
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 1: I just would shout from the rooftops about him when

978
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:13,160
Speaker 1: he was at the high school level. And um, you know,

979
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:15,200
Speaker 1: he was on the same high school team as Nikila

980
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:17,920
Speaker 1: Harry and he was almost like, you know, evil Nikil.

981
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:20,440
Speaker 1: He was the pass rusher uh and and Nikil was

982
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 1: the past catcher and they were the same size. But

983
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:25,320
Speaker 1: my goodness, they put some good weight on him out

984
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 1: at Oregon State, and he's been patient, and uh, I

985
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:31,440
Speaker 1: think he's he's up to something crazy, like fourteen sacks

986
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:34,919
Speaker 1: or something absurd. He he had himself a day. Um.

987
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 1: But as long, I mean as long as that they're

988
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:38,640
Speaker 1: a little bit of a danger when in the past

989
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:41,919
Speaker 1: Rush still be able to make some stops, enough stops. Um.

990
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 1: You know, I think they're probably bowl bound. UM coming

991
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:50,240
Speaker 1: in at number five. I've got usc um what a

992
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 1: mess usc is, But they're still very talented. I think

993
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 1: they tried to. They tried to out physical and out

994
00:59:57,080 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 1: finesse Oregon Um, and uh, you know what what you're

995
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:05,080
Speaker 1: saying about a double minded They just they couldn't do either.

996
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 1: I'm not sure they're good at one or the other.

997
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:11,480
Speaker 1: Um coming at number four, and I'm gonna skip right

998
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:14,440
Speaker 1: over it and talk real fast. Is U c l

999
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:21,640
Speaker 1: A moving on? Yes? Yes, I know you had to

1000
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:31,480
Speaker 1: do it. Rape, Yes, vindication. I could not be more happy. Yes,

1001
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:38,480
Speaker 1: subtle okay, Um, And then I would change your mood

1002
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:40,520
Speaker 1: a little bit and say that even though Washington is

1003
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:45,000
Speaker 1: losing to everyone, it's still very very very evident, especially

1004
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 1: in yesterday's game, where where you know they had every

1005
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:52,640
Speaker 1: opportunity to to put Utah away and just didn't take it. Um.

1006
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:55,200
Speaker 1: I still consider them the third best team in this conference,

1007
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:59,440
Speaker 1: which you've made plenty right. I get it, you know,

1008
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:03,640
Speaker 1: I know you're not wrong. I will be the one

1009
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:05,680
Speaker 1: to admit that I'm wrong. It's just how I feel

1010
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:11,360
Speaker 1: right now. At number two. I have Utah, um, Gosh

1011
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:15,480
Speaker 1: healthy Tyler Huntley could could tempt me, um to make

1012
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:17,240
Speaker 1: them number one. And I know that you've got something

1013
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:20,840
Speaker 1: up at Unafraid show dot com that that makes that argument, Um,

1014
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:24,880
Speaker 1: But after watching Oregon last night pull away from USC,

1015
01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:27,840
Speaker 1: I just don't. I don't think that Utah has that

1016
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:30,000
Speaker 1: in them. So that keeps Oregon at the number one spot.

1017
01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:39,360
Speaker 1: For me to back here with your I can't while

1018
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:42,520
Speaker 1: while I was simul like you gave me such a

1019
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:46,280
Speaker 1: high end in relation with with this U c l

1020
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:50,520
Speaker 1: A thing that that you brought me back down with Washington,

1021
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:54,720
Speaker 1: how I can't understand they are two in four in

1022
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:59,440
Speaker 1: the conference. Ralph. They've lost the cow Stanford. Okay, granted,

1023
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:02,720
Speaker 1: they've lost the Oregon in Utah, which are which are

1024
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:05,479
Speaker 1: both top ten teams. Okay, give them that, But they've

1025
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:09,080
Speaker 1: lost the calin Stanford as well, like, how can you

1026
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:12,080
Speaker 1: give them number the third best team in the conference

1027
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:18,880
Speaker 1: with oh my god, okay, so my number six because

1028
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:22,240
Speaker 1: I had watching it number number seven. The results have

1029
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:28,320
Speaker 1: to be the results. Um, I got Stanford at number six.

1030
01:02:29,160 --> 01:02:35,160
Speaker 1: Who is actually I'm going to switch Stanford and what No,

1031
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:39,200
Speaker 1: I'm not, um, because Stanford is significantly better when they

1032
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:42,640
Speaker 1: have their quarterback. When they have a quarterback, they're like

1033
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:46,040
Speaker 1: a manageable team. Like they've won games when kJ when

1034
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:49,880
Speaker 1: Jack West is not starting, When when when kJ Costello

1035
01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:57,960
Speaker 1: or yeah it's starting, they're a good team. They are

1036
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:01,320
Speaker 1: a pretty good and a formidable team. Um, I got

1037
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:04,280
Speaker 1: Oregon State at number five. I cannot believe it. If

1038
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:06,360
Speaker 1: you had told me that Oregon State would be number

1039
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:10,760
Speaker 1: five and possibly going to a bowl game before this

1040
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:13,440
Speaker 1: season started, I would have laughed at your face the

1041
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:16,840
Speaker 1: same way you laughed at my face when when I

1042
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:21,000
Speaker 1: said that. Um, when I said U C. L A

1043
01:03:21,040 --> 01:03:23,200
Speaker 1: was gonna win the Pack twelve South, which they are

1044
01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:26,600
Speaker 1: in second place right now. By the way, Oregon State

1045
01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:32,000
Speaker 1: the you gotta admit they are a black watch. YEP.

1046
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:36,720
Speaker 1: I got USC at number four. You see l A

1047
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:41,360
Speaker 1: at number three? Roph they are four in two in

1048
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:44,640
Speaker 1: the conference, and if it weren't for that Oregon State loss,

1049
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:48,640
Speaker 1: they would be like in the driver's seat. And truth

1050
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:52,720
Speaker 1: be told, they still control their own destiny if they

1051
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:55,400
Speaker 1: can mess around and beat Utah, which I don't think

1052
01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:58,640
Speaker 1: it's going to happen. But if they do, do you

1053
01:03:58,680 --> 01:04:01,560
Speaker 1: realize that you see it? Ralph? Ralph, I am a

1054
01:04:01,640 --> 01:04:03,880
Speaker 1: spike the football kind of kind of guy. As you

1055
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:08,280
Speaker 1: can see how you as how I reacted. If you

1056
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:11,760
Speaker 1: see l A wins the pack twelve South, I am

1057
01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:15,960
Speaker 1: going to be uncontrollable for an entire podcast. It's not

1058
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:17,520
Speaker 1: gonna happen, So I'm not that worried about it. But

1059
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:19,400
Speaker 1: I do want to point out all the yelling and

1060
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:22,200
Speaker 1: stuff you didn't meet earlier in the year about teams

1061
01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:24,320
Speaker 1: with the same number of wins but one of them

1062
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:26,480
Speaker 1: lost head to head, and just point out that you

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01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:30,240
Speaker 1: have U C. L A above Oregon State. Oh that

1064
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:34,400
Speaker 1: is that is that is fair? Ralph? That is that

1065
01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:36,600
Speaker 1: is fair. You don't get a choice of this conference,

1066
01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:39,200
Speaker 1: so you always have to eat your vegetables in this conference.

1067
01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:45,040
Speaker 1: Like and then you taught at number two, of which

1068
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:48,080
Speaker 1: Ralph alluded to, there's and there's in for all of

1069
01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:52,880
Speaker 1: you people who like controversy. One of our writers, Jeremy

1070
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:57,840
Speaker 1: McCarthy wrote an article that here's the headline. You taught

1071
01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:01,640
Speaker 1: is better than Oregon in Night Team in twenty nineteen,

1072
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:04,640
Speaker 1: just period, right, and then he goes on to say,

1073
01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:08,800
Speaker 1: say why I think the article's trash just just from

1074
01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:12,000
Speaker 1: the just from the headline. But no, on the serious note,

1075
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:15,200
Speaker 1: he makes some serious cases in Oregon and Utah has

1076
01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:17,280
Speaker 1: been playing really really well, So you guys go over

1077
01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:19,680
Speaker 1: there and check that out as well. But now we

1078
01:05:19,720 --> 01:05:22,720
Speaker 1: can go through the games. Uh And I just looked

1079
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:26,280
Speaker 1: up the stats, Ralph, your your boy hamilcar rached in

1080
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:30,439
Speaker 1: eight games, twelve sacks. He's putting up some Chase Young

1081
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:34,360
Speaker 1: type type numbers, but it's not getting that same love.

1082
01:05:34,840 --> 01:05:37,000
Speaker 1: But guess when he will get that kind of love

1083
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:41,520
Speaker 1: in April. In April, I imagine this kid will be

1084
01:05:41,560 --> 01:05:44,520
Speaker 1: shown a lot of love when the NFL Draft comes around.

1085
01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:52,200
Speaker 1: Um uh, we can we can start with the Oregon

1086
01:05:52,240 --> 01:05:56,800
Speaker 1: State Beavers and the Wildcats Oregon State. This game was

1087
01:05:56,840 --> 01:06:04,960
Speaker 1: in Arizona Day game thirty kick fifty and truth be told,

1088
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:11,160
Speaker 1: the game wasn't even that close. I mean, yeah, I mean, yeah,

1089
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:14,240
Speaker 1: there were some opportunities for Arizona to get it within

1090
01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:17,320
Speaker 1: one score in the second half, but you never had

1091
01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:21,520
Speaker 1: faith that they can make a stop. So, yeah, you're right,

1092
01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:25,840
Speaker 1: it was never it always felt like it was in hand.

1093
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:30,600
Speaker 1: I mean it really Arizona's defense had no idea what

1094
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:33,840
Speaker 1: was going on. And I saw people making and I

1095
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:37,120
Speaker 1: want your take on this because I I made a

1096
01:06:37,120 --> 01:06:40,000
Speaker 1: couple of tweets about the fact that, like, hey, you

1097
01:06:40,040 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 1: fired Marcel Yates for you know less than this, and

1098
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:45,919
Speaker 1: you promoted Chuck Cecil, who was one of the most

1099
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:48,320
Speaker 1: beloved hers on the Wildcats in the history of Arizona

1100
01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:51,720
Speaker 1: Wildcat football. And and I said, You've got to be

1101
01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:55,360
Speaker 1: really careful because when you put somebody that you love

1102
01:06:55,840 --> 01:06:58,440
Speaker 1: in a position to fail, fans are always going to

1103
01:06:58,560 --> 01:07:00,680
Speaker 1: choose the team name and team color is over their hero.

1104
01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:03,400
Speaker 1: You could tarnish your hero. You have to be careful.

1105
01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:08,520
Speaker 1: And then ironically, Chuck Cecil. It popped into my timeline

1106
01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:11,760
Speaker 1: that Chuck Cecil favored in a tweet where Mark Schlareth's

1107
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:15,480
Speaker 1: former Denver Bronco was going after John Elway, you know,

1108
01:07:15,560 --> 01:07:19,200
Speaker 1: the most legendary Denver Bronco to ever Denver Bronco about

1109
01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:22,840
Speaker 1: not doing enough to make sure that this team is relevant.

1110
01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:28,280
Speaker 1: Mark Schlareth and John Elway were teammate. He's going after

1111
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:32,720
Speaker 1: his old Super Bowl winning quarterback, potentially the greatest quarterback

1112
01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:37,560
Speaker 1: in the history of the NFL. He's going, oh no,

1113
01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:39,600
Speaker 1: I yeah, I got you, I got you. You know

1114
01:07:39,720 --> 01:07:42,320
Speaker 1: maybe and again I will remind you, because I grew

1115
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:44,640
Speaker 1: up hating John Elway, that he the most touchdowns over

1116
01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:49,320
Speaker 1: three in a season, but you know a record that

1117
01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:52,600
Speaker 1: Jake Plumber tied, so that just goes to show you. Um.

1118
01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:54,480
Speaker 1: But but he was a tough, gritty guy, went to

1119
01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:56,919
Speaker 1: a bunch of Super Bowls. He finished on a high note,

1120
01:07:56,960 --> 01:07:59,560
Speaker 1: and I think that that's what everybody remembers. But he's

1121
01:07:59,560 --> 01:08:01,920
Speaker 1: won US Puper Bowl as as an executive as well.

1122
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:04,720
Speaker 1: The team is bad now and he's responsible for that

1123
01:08:04,840 --> 01:08:07,520
Speaker 1: bad team. And they're an impatient fan base. They're used

1124
01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:09,680
Speaker 1: to success and they're used to winning, and guess what,

1125
01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:11,920
Speaker 1: They're going to have to eventually make a choice. And

1126
01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:14,360
Speaker 1: I never thought in a million years that that you

1127
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:16,720
Speaker 1: would have to have a choice between John Elway and

1128
01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:19,160
Speaker 1: the Denver Broncos. To me, they've always been one and

1129
01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:21,360
Speaker 1: the same, but people are ready to make that choice

1130
01:08:21,400 --> 01:08:24,519
Speaker 1: and see him ounse Tod And so I'm watching Chuck

1131
01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:29,640
Speaker 1: cecil favorite tweets about about, you know, John Elway not

1132
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:31,920
Speaker 1: doing a good job in Denver from a former Denver

1133
01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:34,639
Speaker 1: Bronco and I'm like, Oh, this guy has no idea

1134
01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:37,720
Speaker 1: what's about to happen, because you know, all the the

1135
01:08:37,880 --> 01:08:39,960
Speaker 1: entire day, I'm seeing tweets of like, oh, I guess

1136
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:43,760
Speaker 1: it wasn't Marcel Yates fault anyway. But the reaction to that,

1137
01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:45,720
Speaker 1: and this brings me to my question, George, is a

1138
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:48,320
Speaker 1: lot of people said, oh, well, they only had six

1139
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:52,240
Speaker 1: days to prepare after this news, what do you expect

1140
01:08:52,320 --> 01:08:55,280
Speaker 1: them to be ready? And in my head I was like,

1141
01:08:55,320 --> 01:08:58,599
Speaker 1: will you only ever have six days to prepare? And

1142
01:08:58,640 --> 01:09:01,439
Speaker 1: it's just defense. It's not like you're going to reinvent

1143
01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:05,559
Speaker 1: the wheel and you're at home. It's homecoming. You shouldn't

1144
01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:08,320
Speaker 1: go out there and get steepled by a three win

1145
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:11,519
Speaker 1: or in States, should you. Is not a vout excuse

1146
01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:13,960
Speaker 1: that they only had six days to prep absolutely not

1147
01:09:14,360 --> 01:09:17,280
Speaker 1: the if you want to give it a an excuse,

1148
01:09:17,400 --> 01:09:22,040
Speaker 1: the the excuses is that you don't want to take

1149
01:09:22,120 --> 01:09:24,879
Speaker 1: over as a coordinator in the middle of a season,

1150
01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:29,200
Speaker 1: unless you are an offensive coordinator, because you can change

1151
01:09:29,240 --> 01:09:32,800
Speaker 1: a bunch of things schematically, but on defense, you can't

1152
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:35,760
Speaker 1: change your players. You can't really change the scheme too much,

1153
01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:39,360
Speaker 1: especially in six days. So that's a job that you

1154
01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:43,200
Speaker 1: really don't want. You do not want interim coach unless

1155
01:09:43,200 --> 01:09:46,559
Speaker 1: you're an interim head coach, because you don't have an

1156
01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:51,439
Speaker 1: opportunity to change that much. Stuff Like, you can't just

1157
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:55,000
Speaker 1: put in a if you're running a four or three defense,

1158
01:09:55,120 --> 01:09:56,920
Speaker 1: you can't put in a three or four defense the

1159
01:09:56,960 --> 01:09:59,240
Speaker 1: next week if that's what you really believe in. You

1160
01:09:59,280 --> 01:10:02,639
Speaker 1: can't put in a team that's heavy blitzing if that's

1161
01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:04,840
Speaker 1: what you want. If you're used to playing his zone

1162
01:10:04,920 --> 01:10:08,559
Speaker 1: coverage or man coverage vice versa. It doesn't work like that.

1163
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:12,439
Speaker 1: So it's always a tough deal getting an interim coach

1164
01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:17,559
Speaker 1: job as a coordinator. So I don't envy him. I

1165
01:10:17,560 --> 01:10:22,720
Speaker 1: think it's a bad situation. However, you slice it, and

1166
01:10:22,760 --> 01:10:24,759
Speaker 1: you and I, You and I went into this season

1167
01:10:24,920 --> 01:10:31,000
Speaker 1: saying this Arizona defense has one player, one that you

1168
01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:34,559
Speaker 1: could see starting on every other team in in in

1169
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:36,840
Speaker 1: the Pact twelve and that was what calling schoolers so

1170
01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:39,840
Speaker 1: like and and and and and I wouldn't even and

1171
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:42,880
Speaker 1: he couldn't even start at cow or I don't even

1172
01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:45,439
Speaker 1: think I would take you would. I would put Troy

1173
01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:49,439
Speaker 1: die over over him like he's and he's still you know,

1174
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:52,799
Speaker 1: they're best player on defense is still you know, the

1175
01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:56,240
Speaker 1: fourth best in the conference. Probably it's a personnel was

1176
01:10:56,320 --> 01:10:58,080
Speaker 1: going into this year. And it's no disrespect, you know.

1177
01:10:58,120 --> 01:11:00,360
Speaker 1: I'm sure that I'll get people saying, oh, you cover

1178
01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:04,439
Speaker 1: Arizona State, Like, honestly, I don't care. I like to

1179
01:11:04,439 --> 01:11:06,080
Speaker 1: see Arizona kids do well. I cover a lot of

1180
01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:09,000
Speaker 1: high school football. They are chock full of Arizona kids.

1181
01:11:09,080 --> 01:11:13,839
Speaker 1: I don't enjoy them being miserable. Like, I genuinely believe

1182
01:11:14,200 --> 01:11:17,800
Speaker 1: there's a huge talent deficiency at Arizona right now. I

1183
01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:21,240
Speaker 1: mean it's enormous. They need players, and they need players bad,

1184
01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:23,960
Speaker 1: and it's just not like and then you fire your

1185
01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:26,400
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator. You don't really have a bunch of defensive

1186
01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:31,559
Speaker 1: recruits right now that things aren't looking up yep, yep.

1187
01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:36,400
Speaker 1: And and it's especially not good when you have a brother.

1188
01:11:36,720 --> 01:11:40,760
Speaker 1: They're like like college schooler, you have Brandon's schooler who's

1189
01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:44,880
Speaker 1: transferring from Oregon, who is a wide receiver, and guess

1190
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:52,680
Speaker 1: where he doesn't want to go necessarily Arizona. That's not good, yep, exactly.

1191
01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:54,920
Speaker 1: You better hope that's because they didn't like each other

1192
01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:57,320
Speaker 1: growing up and not because he sees the writing on

1193
01:11:57,320 --> 01:12:00,639
Speaker 1: the world there. No, no, no, no, no. It has

1194
01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:02,160
Speaker 1: to do with the head coach. Buddy, has to do

1195
01:12:02,200 --> 01:12:07,960
Speaker 1: with the head cocks. Oh so um, I mean, unless

1196
01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:10,760
Speaker 1: that turns out to be his best option, he will

1197
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:16,160
Speaker 1: be going elsewhere. Um. Yeah, So you know, they gave

1198
01:12:16,240 --> 01:12:19,400
Speaker 1: up a billion yards, dude, they gave up five hundred

1199
01:12:19,400 --> 01:12:24,519
Speaker 1: and seventy two yards. They couldn't stop a nosebleed. Um,

1200
01:12:24,760 --> 01:12:28,599
Speaker 1: they ran the ball two hundred sixty three yards. Both

1201
01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:31,040
Speaker 1: backs had over a hundred yards in this game, both

1202
01:12:31,120 --> 01:12:36,839
Speaker 1: of them. I mean, you can't Octavius Pierce and Jamar Jefferson.

1203
01:12:37,439 --> 01:12:43,040
Speaker 1: Jamar Jefferson had three touchdowns. Another back, Lindsay had another

1204
01:12:43,120 --> 01:12:46,640
Speaker 1: touch touchdown. And Oregon State did all of this with

1205
01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:53,479
Speaker 1: eleven penalties. Uh you know, yeah, so so props, so

1206
01:12:53,600 --> 01:12:57,479
Speaker 1: props to Oregon State. Great when they're sitting at four

1207
01:12:57,520 --> 01:13:01,640
Speaker 1: and four, they got four games is left? This is

1208
01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:04,280
Speaker 1: a team that can make a bowl game. As scary

1209
01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:09,599
Speaker 1: as that sounds, this is a team that is is

1210
01:13:09,680 --> 01:13:12,120
Speaker 1: trending in the right direction. At the beginning of the season,

1211
01:13:12,160 --> 01:13:16,760
Speaker 1: I said, Okay, they just need to not um get

1212
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:20,400
Speaker 1: blown out, stay closed, try to steal a couple of games.

1213
01:13:20,439 --> 01:13:23,639
Speaker 1: But I know that they're kicking themselves for this Hawaii

1214
01:13:23,720 --> 01:13:27,439
Speaker 1: game right right now, because they still got Washington. Because

1215
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:31,840
Speaker 1: if you're right, Ralph, and Washington is the third best

1216
01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:34,479
Speaker 1: team in the conference, then Washington should win this game, right,

1217
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:38,240
Speaker 1: they absolutely should. And as you always say, weird stuff

1218
01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:42,720
Speaker 1: happens on Friday night at eight thirty. So, yep, they

1219
01:13:42,720 --> 01:13:47,360
Speaker 1: give you an FS one at YEP, at an so

1220
01:13:47,479 --> 01:13:50,800
Speaker 1: and then they got Arizona State, at Washington State and

1221
01:13:50,920 --> 01:13:53,200
Speaker 1: at Oregon. So they're probably gonna lose the Oregon game.

1222
01:13:54,080 --> 01:13:56,920
Speaker 1: And if they end up with five wins, they are

1223
01:13:56,960 --> 01:14:00,920
Speaker 1: going to be so upset with themselves about not getting

1224
01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:05,080
Speaker 1: that uh about losing to Hawaii because that because that

1225
01:14:05,120 --> 01:14:08,720
Speaker 1: would oh man, that's like a program changer, right And

1226
01:14:08,760 --> 01:14:11,320
Speaker 1: but at the same time, it's still massive progress over

1227
01:14:11,400 --> 01:14:14,679
Speaker 1: last year, oh for sure, because because they they only

1228
01:14:14,720 --> 01:14:18,160
Speaker 1: won one Pack twelve game in the two previous seasons

1229
01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:24,880
Speaker 1: and what only to two games in general. Um, so

1230
01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:28,920
Speaker 1: next game up your Colorado Buffalo. So I'm gonna call

1231
01:14:28,960 --> 01:14:32,200
Speaker 1: them yours because every team that plays against my U

1232
01:14:32,280 --> 01:14:34,040
Speaker 1: c l A Bruins, because that was the team I

1233
01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:35,880
Speaker 1: picked to win the Pack twelve South. And I could

1234
01:14:35,960 --> 01:14:38,479
Speaker 1: probably say it at this point in time because I

1235
01:14:38,479 --> 01:14:43,320
Speaker 1: don't look crazy anymore. Um, Chip Kelly has this team

1236
01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:46,760
Speaker 1: headed in the right direction. They won thirty one to fourteen.

1237
01:14:48,240 --> 01:14:53,880
Speaker 1: What do you have to say for yourself about these Bruins, Ralph?

1238
01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:57,000
Speaker 1: They're they're they're good at what they're good at, and

1239
01:14:57,000 --> 01:15:02,200
Speaker 1: they're sticking to it. I mean, at this point, you

1240
01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:07,160
Speaker 1: know what, Dylan Uh, I'm sorry. You know what Dorian

1241
01:15:07,240 --> 01:15:12,360
Speaker 1: Thompson Robinson can do, right, you know? And so those

1242
01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:14,240
Speaker 1: are the plays that you call. This is kind of

1243
01:15:14,240 --> 01:15:16,360
Speaker 1: how things worked out for Arizona State toward the end

1244
01:15:16,360 --> 01:15:19,200
Speaker 1: of last season, with rob Likns looking at Mannie Wilkins

1245
01:15:19,200 --> 01:15:20,880
Speaker 1: and saying, all right, we can't throw in the run,

1246
01:15:21,479 --> 01:15:25,440
Speaker 1: but he doesn't turn the ball over and he's escapable

1247
01:15:25,479 --> 01:15:28,120
Speaker 1: in the pocket. What can we do? And so you

1248
01:15:28,160 --> 01:15:34,080
Speaker 1: start calling plays that work. Um, Joshua Kelly is a workhorse.

1249
01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:36,920
Speaker 1: You can give him twenty five, carries a game, he

1250
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:40,639
Speaker 1: gets better as the game goes on. Um, they're super

1251
01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:44,840
Speaker 1: dangerous with a lead, which is interesting. Um, you know

1252
01:15:44,920 --> 01:15:47,000
Speaker 1: that they can kind of grind you down a little bit.

1253
01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:50,639
Speaker 1: And I mean, and that's chick Kelly's forte is. Once

1254
01:15:50,680 --> 01:15:54,360
Speaker 1: you know what works, just keep doing it. And you know,

1255
01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:56,479
Speaker 1: Colorado wasn't gonna be able to stop them, So it

1256
01:15:56,560 --> 01:15:59,240
Speaker 1: was gonna come down to whether or not Colorado could score.

1257
01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:01,439
Speaker 1: And you have to give your boy Jerry as an

1258
01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:04,720
Speaker 1: Arrow some credit because what really looked good for U.

1259
01:16:04,720 --> 01:16:07,599
Speaker 1: C l A last night was their defense. As soon

1260
01:16:07,640 --> 01:16:10,800
Speaker 1: as as soon as we recorded the podcast about ship,

1261
01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:15,040
Speaker 1: Jerry as an Arrow be fired, Darry as an Arrow

1262
01:16:15,160 --> 01:16:20,599
Speaker 1: put together three straight good performances. Three we're calling him

1263
01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:22,439
Speaker 1: old and stuff. He's like one of those guys that

1264
01:16:22,479 --> 01:16:24,560
Speaker 1: takes him while to figure out how to use a smartphone,

1265
01:16:24,800 --> 01:16:26,959
Speaker 1: but then all of a sudden he's showing his grandkids

1266
01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:31,080
Speaker 1: stuff that you can do with it. Once once he

1267
01:16:31,160 --> 01:16:32,840
Speaker 1: made his mind up that like, all right, I'm gonna

1268
01:16:32,880 --> 01:16:36,559
Speaker 1: embrace this technology. Because they I mean, they genuinely look

1269
01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:39,360
Speaker 1: pretty good right now. I also feel like they've run

1270
01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:43,080
Speaker 1: into some teams who are just not in a good

1271
01:16:43,120 --> 01:16:48,479
Speaker 1: place physically and emotionally. Um you know, I think that

1272
01:16:48,840 --> 01:16:51,920
Speaker 1: Colorado is really struggling to find any type of of

1273
01:16:51,960 --> 01:16:55,479
Speaker 1: identity right now. From week to week, their play calling

1274
01:16:55,600 --> 01:16:58,040
Speaker 1: is just super different. The fact that some weeks things

1275
01:16:58,080 --> 01:17:00,639
Speaker 1: work in some weeks that it just looks like nobody

1276
01:17:01,560 --> 01:17:04,479
Speaker 1: knows what they're doing is a problem. You know. They

1277
01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:07,360
Speaker 1: get they got to play a SU right after Utah

1278
01:17:07,400 --> 01:17:09,960
Speaker 1: beat the living hell out of a s U and

1279
01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:11,679
Speaker 1: and U c l A. It only played one game

1280
01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:14,800
Speaker 1: in twenty days, um and so there's been a little

1281
01:17:14,840 --> 01:17:16,960
Speaker 1: bit of fortune on their side. But all you can

1282
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:18,840
Speaker 1: do is, you know if if you if you get

1283
01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:21,960
Speaker 1: a lead, then you then you steal the base. Right So,

1284
01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:24,120
Speaker 1: like that's what they're doing. They're they're taking advantage of

1285
01:17:24,160 --> 01:17:27,280
Speaker 1: everything that's working their way. They're working themselves up out

1286
01:17:27,320 --> 01:17:30,360
Speaker 1: of the basement of the Pack twelve. And they're doing

1287
01:17:30,400 --> 01:17:32,519
Speaker 1: exactly what they did last year, which is something that

1288
01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:34,720
Speaker 1: you said that they would do and not what I

1289
01:17:34,760 --> 01:17:37,120
Speaker 1: said that they would do. And I've talked way longer

1290
01:17:37,160 --> 01:17:40,920
Speaker 1: than you said. They would only win one game. Um

1291
01:17:41,840 --> 01:17:44,479
Speaker 1: so in two weeks. So Chip Kelly has a whole

1292
01:17:44,520 --> 01:17:49,759
Speaker 1: week off before they play Utah. I just just quickly,

1293
01:17:50,200 --> 01:17:52,640
Speaker 1: just just quickly, Is there any way that they do

1294
01:17:52,680 --> 01:18:01,840
Speaker 1: the unthinkable and beat Utah at Utah? Uh? Yeah? I mean,

1295
01:18:02,720 --> 01:18:06,000
Speaker 1: I mean because if you think about it, what it's

1296
01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:10,440
Speaker 1: going to come down to is can you duplicate Arizona

1297
01:18:10,479 --> 01:18:16,160
Speaker 1: State's effort on the defensive side of the ball? Um?

1298
01:18:16,200 --> 01:18:18,200
Speaker 1: You know, can you can you just sort of force

1299
01:18:18,320 --> 01:18:21,080
Speaker 1: them to run it and then try to punish Zack

1300
01:18:21,160 --> 01:18:24,080
Speaker 1: Moss as much as possible. And then the offensive side

1301
01:18:24,120 --> 01:18:25,360
Speaker 1: of the ball. I think they're probably a little bit

1302
01:18:25,400 --> 01:18:28,200
Speaker 1: healthier and more experienced on the on the offensive line,

1303
01:18:28,240 --> 01:18:31,479
Speaker 1: can you make quick passes and feed the ball to

1304
01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:35,879
Speaker 1: Joshua Kelly that would keep you in the game. I mean, my, my,

1305
01:18:35,880 --> 01:18:38,320
Speaker 1: my mind when just thinking about it right now is like,

1306
01:18:38,600 --> 01:18:41,120
Speaker 1: oh God, that's a thirty five to seven game. But

1307
01:18:41,200 --> 01:18:44,559
Speaker 1: the truth is, Um, you know, Arizona State was really

1308
01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:47,240
Speaker 1: able to take that game down to the wire by

1309
01:18:47,400 --> 01:18:51,799
Speaker 1: doing nothing offensively whatsoever. They just were winning field position

1310
01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:55,200
Speaker 1: and doing nothing with it. And by being super physical

1311
01:18:55,640 --> 01:18:58,560
Speaker 1: and so if U c l A Can be physically

1312
01:18:58,680 --> 01:19:01,799
Speaker 1: rested to go out there and getting a slug fest,

1313
01:19:02,439 --> 01:19:05,200
Speaker 1: um and just Utah makes one or two mistakes. I

1314
01:19:05,200 --> 01:19:08,280
Speaker 1: think the possibility exists. I think that it's a very

1315
01:19:08,360 --> 01:19:12,240
Speaker 1: very slim chance. But I saw what Washington did and

1316
01:19:12,240 --> 01:19:15,599
Speaker 1: I saw what Arizona State did and there are weaknesses, right,

1317
01:19:15,640 --> 01:19:18,519
Speaker 1: there are weaknesses with this Utah team. They're very very

1318
01:19:18,560 --> 01:19:21,839
Speaker 1: simple ones that Utah should be able to correct. Um.

1319
01:19:21,880 --> 01:19:24,640
Speaker 1: But I mean there's an opening there and uh, And

1320
01:19:24,680 --> 01:19:26,120
Speaker 1: I think the best thing for u c l A

1321
01:19:26,200 --> 01:19:29,000
Speaker 1: is that they'll be rested going into that game. I

1322
01:19:29,080 --> 01:19:32,160
Speaker 1: totally agree. I think that Chip Kelly, with a whole

1323
01:19:32,160 --> 01:19:35,960
Speaker 1: week off, should be able to do something pretty you know,

1324
01:19:36,040 --> 01:19:39,040
Speaker 1: should be able to put up you know, good stats,

1325
01:19:39,160 --> 01:19:42,519
Speaker 1: good numbers, and really find something that some sort of

1326
01:19:42,560 --> 01:19:45,439
Speaker 1: gimmick or trick or something you know that should be

1327
01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:50,200
Speaker 1: able to give U c l A some success because

1328
01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:52,880
Speaker 1: they need to have success early because if they have

1329
01:19:52,920 --> 01:19:56,320
Speaker 1: success early, they build that momentum and kind of can

1330
01:19:56,400 --> 01:19:58,479
Speaker 1: write it out. Like you said, they do. They play

1331
01:19:58,520 --> 01:20:02,000
Speaker 1: well with a lead, So if they can get out early,

1332
01:20:02,200 --> 01:20:05,679
Speaker 1: you know, score even if it's fourteen fourteen, fourteen seven,

1333
01:20:06,320 --> 01:20:08,559
Speaker 1: just seeing the ball get in the end zone could

1334
01:20:08,600 --> 01:20:16,240
Speaker 1: be very very good for them. Um. But yeah, Coe, like,

1335
01:20:16,320 --> 01:20:17,759
Speaker 1: I don't even know what to make it. This color

1336
01:20:17,960 --> 01:20:24,320
Speaker 1: Colorado team. They Laviska Naldi is just beat up last

1337
01:20:24,520 --> 01:20:27,400
Speaker 1: last week. He goes off and goes crazy hundred and

1338
01:20:27,479 --> 01:20:32,000
Speaker 1: seventy six yards and and You're sitting here, like, how

1339
01:20:32,040 --> 01:20:35,519
Speaker 1: does this happen? Because U c l A against the past,

1340
01:20:36,680 --> 01:20:40,200
Speaker 1: their past defense is tenth in the conference, almost three

1341
01:20:40,280 --> 01:20:44,280
Speaker 1: hundred yards a game. And you and even though Laviska

1342
01:20:44,360 --> 01:20:46,320
Speaker 1: is hurt, like you can't get him, get him the ball,

1343
01:20:46,560 --> 01:20:49,080
Speaker 1: Like it just doesn't make make sense. Stephen Montez, the

1344
01:20:49,120 --> 01:20:52,439
Speaker 1: whole thing is falling apart. Two games left, Ralph, we

1345
01:20:52,520 --> 01:20:58,679
Speaker 1: got the Utah Utes at the Washington Huskies. I thought

1346
01:20:58,720 --> 01:21:01,840
Speaker 1: this was a game that especially early on too, I

1347
01:21:01,880 --> 01:21:05,160
Speaker 1: was like, Oh, Washington is putting up a fight. They

1348
01:21:05,200 --> 01:21:09,160
Speaker 1: can win this game. And this this game was not.

1349
01:21:09,320 --> 01:21:12,479
Speaker 1: It was weird because Washington had dominated the first half's

1350
01:21:12,520 --> 01:21:14,400
Speaker 1: kind of the same way they did in the Oregon game.

1351
01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:19,439
Speaker 1: Second half, they just got run over by Utah. And

1352
01:21:19,520 --> 01:21:24,040
Speaker 1: it started with that. It started with that pick six

1353
01:21:24,320 --> 01:21:28,200
Speaker 1: that Jacob Easton throw that ill advised and on him.

1354
01:21:28,320 --> 01:21:30,519
Speaker 1: I'm like, there there were times in the first half

1355
01:21:30,560 --> 01:21:33,519
Speaker 1: where I was like, yo, this, I see why this

1356
01:21:33,680 --> 01:21:36,760
Speaker 1: kid is a could be a top draft pick. He

1357
01:21:36,800 --> 01:21:40,040
Speaker 1: can spin it. I mean, he was excellent, and then

1358
01:21:40,040 --> 01:21:45,360
Speaker 1: he had those two heads scratching, just just ridiculous interceptions,

1359
01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:48,720
Speaker 1: one which went for a pick six. And I'm just

1360
01:21:48,720 --> 01:21:51,200
Speaker 1: sitting there just like, oh God, it's like good and

1361
01:21:51,280 --> 01:21:55,559
Speaker 1: terrible at the same time. Ro Yeah, Washington, procshouldn't put

1362
01:21:55,600 --> 01:21:58,120
Speaker 1: him in that situation. And then in the end of

1363
01:21:58,120 --> 01:21:59,920
Speaker 1: the game when they needed him to absolutely be in

1364
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:03,000
Speaker 1: that situation, he converted three fourth pounds and one of

1365
01:22:03,040 --> 01:22:05,400
Speaker 1: the gutsiest drives that I've seen all year that ultimately

1366
01:22:05,439 --> 01:22:09,160
Speaker 1: amounted to nothing because the onside kick didn't work. Um,

1367
01:22:09,200 --> 01:22:11,000
Speaker 1: But I mean, he just every time I watched him,

1368
01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:14,559
Speaker 1: he's Kevin Cobb. If the offensive line lets anybody through,

1369
01:22:14,800 --> 01:22:17,040
Speaker 1: instead of stepping up in the pocket, he drops back.

1370
01:22:17,920 --> 01:22:23,080
Speaker 1: And you know, the offensive line broke down towards the

1371
01:22:23,160 --> 01:22:25,639
Speaker 1: end of that game, and he was constantly in trouble.

1372
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:27,479
Speaker 1: I think there was just maybe a little bit too

1373
01:22:27,560 --> 01:22:30,519
Speaker 1: much on his shoulders. He did better than I think

1374
01:22:30,600 --> 01:22:33,519
Speaker 1: Jake Locker would have in those situations, because you know,

1375
01:22:33,560 --> 01:22:35,600
Speaker 1: when you used to put pressure on Jake Locker, he

1376
01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:38,160
Speaker 1: would He'd go from a guy who throw five touchdowns

1377
01:22:38,160 --> 01:22:40,280
Speaker 1: in a game to a guy who couldn't complete a pass.

1378
01:22:41,080 --> 01:22:43,360
Speaker 1: Um and when I'm talking pressure, pressure, like the kind

1379
01:22:43,360 --> 01:22:46,560
Speaker 1: of pressure that Utah put on this last night. Um,

1380
01:22:46,600 --> 01:22:49,479
Speaker 1: but I mean, you don't want him to go and

1381
01:22:49,800 --> 01:22:52,520
Speaker 1: you want to stick with what works. But at halftime,

1382
01:22:52,680 --> 01:22:54,320
Speaker 1: you know you've got to make some type of adjustment

1383
01:22:54,360 --> 01:22:56,120
Speaker 1: and say, like, all right, well, they probably expect us

1384
01:22:56,160 --> 01:22:59,680
Speaker 1: to go out there and um, you know, continue to

1385
01:22:59,720 --> 01:23:01,800
Speaker 1: try get get We we gotta go out there and

1386
01:23:01,840 --> 01:23:03,840
Speaker 1: impose our will. We're we're the we're the home team.

1387
01:23:04,640 --> 01:23:06,639
Speaker 1: And so I was kind of surprised with how much

1388
01:23:06,680 --> 01:23:10,320
Speaker 1: they threw in in the second half. It was a

1389
01:23:10,360 --> 01:23:14,800
Speaker 1: close game. Just Utah looked more mature, they looked a

1390
01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:19,240
Speaker 1: little bit more talented. Um and then physically they're just

1391
01:23:19,280 --> 01:23:22,120
Speaker 1: a dominant They're just a dominant program. I don't know

1392
01:23:22,120 --> 01:23:27,120
Speaker 1: how they got to that point. But freaking John Pennasini

1393
01:23:27,240 --> 01:23:31,000
Speaker 1: and and and Bradley and I and Lucky Foeto on

1394
01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:35,479
Speaker 1: the same defensive line is a bit much like it's

1395
01:23:35,720 --> 01:23:39,120
Speaker 1: It's like we said, we said this at the very

1396
01:23:39,160 --> 01:23:41,240
Speaker 1: beginning of the podcast when you and I started as George,

1397
01:23:41,280 --> 01:23:45,880
Speaker 1: it's a championship defensive line like not pack twelve it's

1398
01:23:45,920 --> 01:23:50,639
Speaker 1: a championship changing championship defensive line, and um, I mean,

1399
01:23:50,680 --> 01:23:55,680
Speaker 1: they're they're so good, They're so good. The rotating quarterbacks

1400
01:23:55,760 --> 01:23:58,000
Speaker 1: was very interesting because for a minute, you and I

1401
01:23:58,040 --> 01:24:01,160
Speaker 1: had also both said that while we pick Washington because

1402
01:24:01,240 --> 01:24:03,519
Speaker 1: we didn't think Tyler Huntley was healthy. Well, they did

1403
01:24:03,560 --> 01:24:06,519
Speaker 1: the Arizona thing, and they spelled drives and they made

1404
01:24:06,520 --> 01:24:09,320
Speaker 1: sure that they kept Huntley out of trouble, and when

1405
01:24:09,360 --> 01:24:11,760
Speaker 1: he was in the game, he looked pretty good. I

1406
01:24:11,880 --> 01:24:13,880
Speaker 1: thought that for them to win this game, that he

1407
01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:16,360
Speaker 1: would have to have some moments where he was special

1408
01:24:17,000 --> 01:24:20,360
Speaker 1: like that that he did something out of the ordinary

1409
01:24:20,600 --> 01:24:24,599
Speaker 1: and you know, raise his level of play. And that's

1410
01:24:24,640 --> 01:24:28,600
Speaker 1: not what happened. This defense has just been extremely consistent

1411
01:24:29,200 --> 01:24:34,120
Speaker 1: and and I think his presence though, George, like, I

1412
01:24:34,160 --> 01:24:38,840
Speaker 1: think his presence is what's special to them. Him being

1413
01:24:38,920 --> 01:24:41,880
Speaker 1: on the field puts everyone on that team at ease.

1414
01:24:42,479 --> 01:24:46,240
Speaker 1: It makes everybody play more relaxed. Well, it's like they

1415
01:24:46,320 --> 01:24:50,160
Speaker 1: know that Jason Shelley's in the game, that like it's

1416
01:24:50,200 --> 01:24:53,080
Speaker 1: about to get weird, right, because he's just like this

1417
01:24:53,160 --> 01:24:57,879
Speaker 1: little like bug and they have to change their complete

1418
01:24:57,920 --> 01:25:01,599
Speaker 1: Oregon with Tyler Huntley playing like he did yesterday, even

1419
01:25:01,640 --> 01:25:04,080
Speaker 1: though even though he had a solid game, like there

1420
01:25:04,200 --> 01:25:08,920
Speaker 1: was nothing wrong with the game that Tyler hunt Huntley played.

1421
01:25:10,040 --> 01:25:12,760
Speaker 1: What do you what do you go? Um nine team

1422
01:25:12,840 --> 01:25:19,439
Speaker 1: for twenty for a touchdown, no interceptions, and he rushed

1423
01:25:19,439 --> 01:25:25,200
Speaker 1: for yeah, and the game that he he should rest

1424
01:25:25,240 --> 01:25:28,639
Speaker 1: for sixteen yards and a touchdown, and and the thing,

1425
01:25:28,680 --> 01:25:31,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, he can't be Oregon like that. And as

1426
01:25:31,960 --> 01:25:35,599
Speaker 1: many times if I've seen really good teams or teams

1427
01:25:35,640 --> 01:25:39,400
Speaker 1: that have special seasons, your quarterback has to do even

1428
01:25:39,439 --> 01:25:41,559
Speaker 1: when you have really good defenses, he's got to do

1429
01:25:41,640 --> 01:25:44,920
Speaker 1: something special if you want your season to be special,

1430
01:25:45,600 --> 01:25:49,840
Speaker 1: and you talk, you know what he's He reminds me

1431
01:25:49,920 --> 01:25:53,040
Speaker 1: of what the Bills are trying to turn Josh Allen into.

1432
01:25:53,600 --> 01:25:55,519
Speaker 1: Like I bet you that if Tyler Huntley goes to

1433
01:25:55,560 --> 01:25:58,080
Speaker 1: the right NFL team that has a really good defense,

1434
01:25:58,120 --> 01:25:59,880
Speaker 1: I bet he was not gonna be a starter in

1435
01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:08,720
Speaker 1: the NFL. Ralph stop it, No, dude, I don't know that.

1436
01:26:11,880 --> 01:26:14,960
Speaker 1: I I am not. There will be no Andy Dalton

1437
01:26:15,080 --> 01:26:19,280
Speaker 1: slander on his podcast. I don't think he's great, but

1438
01:26:19,520 --> 01:26:22,280
Speaker 1: and yes he's a bottom tier I think because of

1439
01:26:22,280 --> 01:26:24,679
Speaker 1: the franchise he plays for a few a few other things.

1440
01:26:24,960 --> 01:26:29,840
Speaker 1: But come on, man, that's just outrageous. UM. Yeah so,

1441
01:26:30,920 --> 01:26:33,080
Speaker 1: but but you do have to give Zack Moss a

1442
01:26:33,120 --> 01:26:37,479
Speaker 1: ton of ton of credit though he finished leading. Uh well,

1443
01:26:37,720 --> 01:26:42,120
Speaker 1: he five catches forty one yards and a touchdown. Another

1444
01:26:42,240 --> 01:26:48,479
Speaker 1: twenty seven carries hundred fourteen yards. I'm well, well, sorry,

1445
01:26:49,040 --> 01:26:52,160
Speaker 1: a hundred yards because he lost fourteen yards to um

1446
01:26:52,200 --> 01:26:56,360
Speaker 1: and a touchdown. Like he's a workhorse. They go as

1447
01:26:56,400 --> 01:26:59,559
Speaker 1: far as Zack Moscow's and if you can stop their

1448
01:26:59,640 --> 01:27:03,639
Speaker 1: run game, you can stop U talk and but nobody

1449
01:27:03,680 --> 01:27:06,960
Speaker 1: has been able to do that yet. But the rest

1450
01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:11,040
Speaker 1: of their schedule coming up, they're going to I I

1451
01:27:11,120 --> 01:27:13,439
Speaker 1: just refused to believe that they can get out of

1452
01:27:13,479 --> 01:27:17,360
Speaker 1: this season because everything in my life that football teaches

1453
01:27:17,400 --> 01:27:21,120
Speaker 1: me has taught me otherwise that your quarterback has to

1454
01:27:21,320 --> 01:27:24,960
Speaker 1: do some special things. Some sometimes their last three games

1455
01:27:25,000 --> 01:27:29,000
Speaker 1: against U c l A, Arizona, and Colorado, my mind,

1456
01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:31,559
Speaker 1: you're especially the Colorado game. In the Arizona game just

1457
01:27:31,640 --> 01:27:36,960
Speaker 1: looked like walkovers. But I'm just saying, like a quarterback

1458
01:27:37,080 --> 01:27:39,759
Speaker 1: has to be special. So maybe it's a Pac twelve

1459
01:27:39,800 --> 01:27:42,680
Speaker 1: game against Oregon, but he's going to have to do

1460
01:27:42,720 --> 01:27:46,400
Speaker 1: something special. I stand behind that. Everything I know tells

1461
01:27:46,439 --> 01:27:56,240
Speaker 1: me that Ralph. I mean there were some times where

1462
01:27:56,360 --> 01:28:00,439
Speaker 1: he did some special things where where he would either

1463
01:28:01,240 --> 01:28:05,000
Speaker 1: make some running plays, some passing plays like you know,

1464
01:28:05,479 --> 01:28:11,479
Speaker 1: but did Washington have a special season while he was there? Though? No.

1465
01:28:13,000 --> 01:28:15,000
Speaker 1: If you want special things to happen, you have to

1466
01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:19,639
Speaker 1: make special plays. And that's where. But at this point,

1467
01:28:19,680 --> 01:28:28,000
Speaker 1: do you think Utah is better than Oregon? Um? No? No,

1468
01:28:28,360 --> 01:28:32,920
Speaker 1: I mean there there are positions on the field that Um,

1469
01:28:32,960 --> 01:28:35,160
Speaker 1: there are positions on the field that are definitely better.

1470
01:28:35,280 --> 01:28:38,360
Speaker 1: And I mean you know that. Here's how you know

1471
01:28:38,520 --> 01:28:41,439
Speaker 1: that that Jake Browning wasn't special is because I just

1472
01:28:41,479 --> 01:28:45,120
Speaker 1: called it. I thought you were talking about Jake like anyway,

1473
01:28:48,360 --> 01:28:53,200
Speaker 1: no oh man anyway. So no, no, no, Utah is no.

1474
01:28:53,240 --> 01:28:54,800
Speaker 1: I would I would think it would have. I would

1475
01:28:54,800 --> 01:28:56,760
Speaker 1: have indicated it if if I felt like they were better.

1476
01:28:57,120 --> 01:29:00,240
Speaker 1: You know, do I think that the defensive line is better? Yeah?

1477
01:29:00,320 --> 01:29:03,280
Speaker 1: Do I think that the running back group is better? Yeah,

1478
01:29:03,360 --> 01:29:06,880
Speaker 1: But that's not all it takes to win, and so, um,

1479
01:29:06,920 --> 01:29:10,280
Speaker 1: you know, I think everything else probably trends Oregon. And

1480
01:29:10,280 --> 01:29:14,200
Speaker 1: and you know you're talking about two very experienced quarterbacks

1481
01:29:14,200 --> 01:29:15,880
Speaker 1: that would be going head to head. And it feels

1482
01:29:15,880 --> 01:29:17,880
Speaker 1: like we're talking about this Pact twelve championship game like

1483
01:29:17,880 --> 01:29:21,360
Speaker 1: it's inevitable at this point. Um, and and now what

1484
01:29:21,439 --> 01:29:22,960
Speaker 1: you have me kind of rooting for it? Usually root

1485
01:29:23,040 --> 01:29:26,400
Speaker 1: for kid especially you should everybody should want it because

1486
01:29:26,840 --> 01:29:29,920
Speaker 1: that means that you're going to get a team in

1487
01:29:29,960 --> 01:29:35,839
Speaker 1: the playoff if the Pack twelve, If Oregon and Utah

1488
01:29:36,040 --> 01:29:39,120
Speaker 1: meet in the Pack twelve championship, they're going to the playoffs.

1489
01:29:40,080 --> 01:29:43,160
Speaker 1: So one of one of them, the winner, is going

1490
01:29:43,240 --> 01:29:45,120
Speaker 1: to go. The other one is going to get the

1491
01:29:45,560 --> 01:29:49,760
Speaker 1: rose ball. Yeah, so you get a New Year's six

1492
01:29:49,800 --> 01:29:53,280
Speaker 1: game and a and a playoff spot. That's a win.

1493
01:29:53,439 --> 01:29:58,920
Speaker 1: That is win for the conference. Okay, the last game

1494
01:29:59,000 --> 01:30:02,519
Speaker 1: up you sc at Oregon. I was at this game.

1495
01:30:02,800 --> 01:30:06,920
Speaker 1: USC fans were so hype. They were like, this is

1496
01:30:06,960 --> 01:30:10,320
Speaker 1: our chance, we can win this game. We have talent.

1497
01:30:10,800 --> 01:30:13,960
Speaker 1: Our wide receivers have saved our bacon twice this year

1498
01:30:15,040 --> 01:30:20,240
Speaker 1: against Utah and then again last last week. And it

1499
01:30:20,320 --> 01:30:22,920
Speaker 1: did not go like that. But the thing that stood

1500
01:30:22,960 --> 01:30:25,200
Speaker 1: out to the game in the game the most was

1501
01:30:25,240 --> 01:30:33,960
Speaker 1: the referees. You had sixteen penalties that resulted in first downs,

1502
01:30:34,080 --> 01:30:38,960
Speaker 1: So Oregon got seven penalties that resulted in first downs

1503
01:30:39,040 --> 01:30:42,760
Speaker 1: and USC got got nine penalties committed by Oregon or

1504
01:30:42,920 --> 01:30:46,040
Speaker 1: not committed or whatever, and vice versa with both sets

1505
01:30:46,040 --> 01:30:51,600
Speaker 1: the penalties, so that sixteen first downs attributed to the Zebras,

1506
01:30:51,880 --> 01:30:56,600
Speaker 1: Ralph attributed to the Zebras, and it was just not

1507
01:30:56,720 --> 01:30:59,439
Speaker 1: a fun game to watch. I'm glad you said that

1508
01:30:59,479 --> 01:31:02,040
Speaker 1: I did not enjoy watching this game. I didn't know.

1509
01:31:02,040 --> 01:31:08,080
Speaker 1: I found it like aesthetically horrified. It was it. There

1510
01:31:08,160 --> 01:31:10,800
Speaker 1: was all this height behind it. I was excited, and

1511
01:31:10,840 --> 01:31:13,519
Speaker 1: then it was just a pain in the ask to

1512
01:31:13,560 --> 01:31:18,080
Speaker 1: get through. Like the play even in the play calling

1513
01:31:18,080 --> 01:31:20,320
Speaker 1: added to it forty pass attempts in the first half,

1514
01:31:20,680 --> 01:31:25,120
Speaker 1: so it was just extended out for eternity. And one

1515
01:31:25,160 --> 01:31:27,200
Speaker 1: of my biggest issues with this game is you could

1516
01:31:27,200 --> 01:31:30,360
Speaker 1: tell in the locker room before the game, Um, both

1517
01:31:30,400 --> 01:31:32,280
Speaker 1: teams were like, we're gonna go out there and we're

1518
01:31:32,320 --> 01:31:34,760
Speaker 1: gonna out physical them. Just go be as physical as

1519
01:31:34,800 --> 01:31:38,639
Speaker 1: possible with two teams that aren't necessary, like that's not

1520
01:31:38,720 --> 01:31:41,799
Speaker 1: necessarily their m O. I think that Oregon is moving

1521
01:31:41,880 --> 01:31:45,680
Speaker 1: more in that direction of of fast and physical, not

1522
01:31:45,760 --> 01:31:49,439
Speaker 1: just fast, right, um. But I think that USC is

1523
01:31:49,479 --> 01:31:52,920
Speaker 1: kind of more of a finesse team. It was. It

1524
01:31:53,000 --> 01:31:56,720
Speaker 1: was so weird to watch these two teams just out

1525
01:31:56,720 --> 01:31:58,679
Speaker 1: there running into each other as hard as they could.

1526
01:31:59,040 --> 01:32:03,559
Speaker 1: I mean, Herbert almost lost a knee. Uh Isaiah polar

1527
01:32:03,640 --> 01:32:06,200
Speaker 1: Maws hit, which, which is one of those things where

1528
01:32:06,200 --> 01:32:08,120
Speaker 1: it's just like, oh, I guess I hate football now,

1529
01:32:08,479 --> 01:32:11,320
Speaker 1: because yeah, he definitely should have been tossed and be

1530
01:32:12,479 --> 01:32:16,400
Speaker 1: that's what you're supposed to do untill a hit, right,

1531
01:32:16,479 --> 01:32:19,760
Speaker 1: So what are you supposed to do? It's just and

1532
01:32:19,800 --> 01:32:22,240
Speaker 1: then and then when they weren't throwing flags, and then

1533
01:32:22,400 --> 01:32:23,920
Speaker 1: we got to the point where when they weren't throwing

1534
01:32:23,960 --> 01:32:27,000
Speaker 1: flags on the broadcast, the people were like, well there

1535
01:32:27,000 --> 01:32:29,000
Speaker 1: should have been a flag like Tyler Vaughan's they said,

1536
01:32:29,040 --> 01:32:32,519
Speaker 1: pushed off and it was just like regular hand play.

1537
01:32:32,720 --> 01:32:35,160
Speaker 1: So it was just like, alright, so they've already thrown

1538
01:32:35,200 --> 01:32:37,120
Speaker 1: this many flags, so let's just look for what could

1539
01:32:37,120 --> 01:32:40,760
Speaker 1: be a penalty on any given play. And again, this

1540
01:32:40,840 --> 01:32:46,200
Speaker 1: game was so physical, but not in a it was

1541
01:32:46,280 --> 01:32:49,439
Speaker 1: like a bull in a China shop type deal. You know.

1542
01:32:50,960 --> 01:32:52,920
Speaker 1: It was just a bunch of people smashing into each

1543
01:32:52,960 --> 01:32:57,680
Speaker 1: other incorrectly and getting hurt. Um to everything about this.

1544
01:32:58,000 --> 01:33:00,200
Speaker 1: I thought it would be more fun. I thought it

1545
01:33:00,200 --> 01:33:01,840
Speaker 1: would be more fun. And then you know what else

1546
01:33:01,960 --> 01:33:06,599
Speaker 1: was like I hate to see somebody. Yeah, I guess

1547
01:33:06,680 --> 01:33:08,519
Speaker 1: you know. We were kind of dancing on Willie Taggart's

1548
01:33:08,560 --> 01:33:11,240
Speaker 1: grave a little bit earlier in the podcast. But I

1549
01:33:11,320 --> 01:33:15,639
Speaker 1: don't I still would have rather seen him succeed. I don't.

1550
01:33:16,400 --> 01:33:19,360
Speaker 1: They just kept paying the camera to like Clay Helton,

1551
01:33:19,680 --> 01:33:21,960
Speaker 1: as if they say, like, look at this stupid man's face.

1552
01:33:22,200 --> 01:33:26,960
Speaker 1: Who's gonna get tar Max next week at Arizona State UM.

1553
01:33:27,040 --> 01:33:29,120
Speaker 1: And that may be kind of uncomfortable because it's like, oh,

1554
01:33:29,120 --> 01:33:31,280
Speaker 1: this is a guy's job, and like these kids are

1555
01:33:31,320 --> 01:33:33,600
Speaker 1: out there kind of fighting for his job. And I

1556
01:33:33,640 --> 01:33:35,519
Speaker 1: get that there's a lot of money involved in It's

1557
01:33:35,520 --> 01:33:37,320
Speaker 1: grown me in football, and USC wants to get back

1558
01:33:37,360 --> 01:33:39,800
Speaker 1: to prominence. But you should always want to succeed. You

1559
01:33:39,800 --> 01:33:42,120
Speaker 1: should never want your team to fail so that you

1560
01:33:42,160 --> 01:33:45,000
Speaker 1: can break the bone, reset the bone, and you should

1561
01:33:45,040 --> 01:33:47,479
Speaker 1: just want things to work out. That part of the

1562
01:33:47,479 --> 01:33:52,720
Speaker 1: fan has to exist. That is USC, that is USC's

1563
01:33:52,800 --> 01:33:56,519
Speaker 1: fan fan base. They want they want to break, They

1564
01:33:56,520 --> 01:33:59,240
Speaker 1: want to break the bone. They do not want to

1565
01:34:00,680 --> 01:34:04,479
Speaker 1: salvage this thing at all. They they as much as

1566
01:34:04,720 --> 01:34:08,040
Speaker 1: a lot of them wanted to win, they're happy that

1567
01:34:08,040 --> 01:34:10,280
Speaker 1: that they lost because they want the Urban Meyer sweet

1568
01:34:10,320 --> 01:34:13,439
Speaker 1: sakes to start. Man, they're happy they got they they're

1569
01:34:13,439 --> 01:34:15,800
Speaker 1: happy they got run away from correct because that's what

1570
01:34:15,880 --> 01:34:19,400
Speaker 1: makes it look really bad is is the fact that

1571
01:34:19,439 --> 01:34:23,200
Speaker 1: like and it shouldn't have been that margin should not

1572
01:34:23,320 --> 01:34:26,519
Speaker 1: have existed. Yeah, I think you they caused it, like

1573
01:34:26,600 --> 01:34:29,720
Speaker 1: they they're the way they called that game caused them

1574
01:34:29,720 --> 01:34:31,519
Speaker 1: to get blown out. It should have been closer than

1575
01:34:31,560 --> 01:34:35,880
Speaker 1: it was, you know, they and the crazy partick six

1576
01:34:35,960 --> 01:34:38,680
Speaker 1: before half, you get that touchdown back and then you

1577
01:34:38,840 --> 01:34:42,280
Speaker 1: give up a kick return for a touchdown. Oh my goodness.

1578
01:34:42,360 --> 01:34:45,120
Speaker 1: They So here's the at the end of the first quarter,

1579
01:34:45,200 --> 01:34:50,040
Speaker 1: Oregon was down ten zero, ten to zero, had zero

1580
01:34:50,240 --> 01:34:54,120
Speaker 1: going on offense or defense. Should have been down fourteen

1581
01:34:54,160 --> 01:34:56,080
Speaker 1: and but that so, but that goes into it. They

1582
01:34:56,120 --> 01:34:58,760
Speaker 1: should have been down more, They should have been down Well,

1583
01:34:58,840 --> 01:35:02,040
Speaker 1: they're they're they got the ball on the eight yard line,

1584
01:35:02,080 --> 01:35:05,000
Speaker 1: they were up seven zero. Herbert threw a pick. It

1585
01:35:05,120 --> 01:35:09,879
Speaker 1: was a miscommunication with a wide receiver and the defense

1586
01:35:09,960 --> 01:35:14,439
Speaker 1: goes out and gets to stop ten zero. USC had

1587
01:35:14,479 --> 01:35:18,519
Speaker 1: the ball again, had the ball again, and they ended

1588
01:35:18,600 --> 01:35:22,320
Speaker 1: up throwing throwing a pick, and then Justin Herbert ran

1589
01:35:22,360 --> 01:35:26,479
Speaker 1: a touchdown in seven seven to ten, and then all

1590
01:35:26,560 --> 01:35:30,240
Speaker 1: of a sudden, it was you know, Jayleen Red for

1591
01:35:30,360 --> 01:35:34,679
Speaker 1: a touchdown Brady Breese interception. So from the last two

1592
01:35:34,680 --> 01:35:39,040
Speaker 1: thirty six in the game, there were four touchdown score Ralph,

1593
01:35:39,320 --> 01:35:42,840
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. In the second quarter for at at two

1594
01:35:42,880 --> 01:35:46,519
Speaker 1: thirty six, Jalen Red ran into the end zone and

1595
01:35:46,560 --> 01:35:53,800
Speaker 1: then at interception for a touchdown twenty seconds left. Uh,

1596
01:35:53,880 --> 01:35:57,280
Speaker 1: Michael Pittman scores and then Michael Wright runs a hundred

1597
01:35:57,360 --> 01:36:00,719
Speaker 1: yard kickoff that was a backbreaker. What do you think

1598
01:36:00,880 --> 01:36:04,320
Speaker 1: of is it Austin follow or fall? You? Yeah? What

1599
01:36:04,360 --> 01:36:06,479
Speaker 1: do you think of him getting tossed? I I thought

1600
01:36:06,520 --> 01:36:10,800
Speaker 1: he desirved to receive one personal foul the the second one. Like,

1601
01:36:11,080 --> 01:36:15,000
Speaker 1: guys are just jawing, just talking. He didn't push anybody else,

1602
01:36:15,080 --> 01:36:19,360
Speaker 1: Like I was just like, come on, ref like stop stop. Yeah,

1603
01:36:19,360 --> 01:36:22,439
Speaker 1: I agree with you now. But in the moment, like

1604
01:36:22,640 --> 01:36:24,559
Speaker 1: I was trying to cook dinner, my kids weren't listening

1605
01:36:24,560 --> 01:36:26,639
Speaker 1: to me, and I was like, he told you three times,

1606
01:36:26,680 --> 01:36:28,360
Speaker 1: get his ass out of there, Like I'm sick of

1607
01:36:28,400 --> 01:36:30,960
Speaker 1: telling my kids more than twice too, you know, like

1608
01:36:31,000 --> 01:36:33,520
Speaker 1: I was, I was like, oh no, that was totally justified.

1609
01:36:33,560 --> 01:36:36,280
Speaker 1: He was you know, it was he was being disrespectful.

1610
01:36:36,320 --> 01:36:38,599
Speaker 1: He wasn't respecting the rest wishes. And then I went

1611
01:36:38,640 --> 01:36:41,000
Speaker 1: back and watched it this second time this morning, you know,

1612
01:36:41,080 --> 01:36:43,200
Speaker 1: just on the highlights or whatever, and it was like

1613
01:36:43,240 --> 01:36:47,320
Speaker 1: he was backing up, he was backing up, and yeah,

1614
01:36:47,360 --> 01:36:49,759
Speaker 1: so that and it was just key guys getting tossed

1615
01:36:49,800 --> 01:36:52,320
Speaker 1: all over the place. What an ugly gay. I'm glad

1616
01:36:52,360 --> 01:36:56,400
Speaker 1: it's over with. Very curious about Arizona State USC next week,

1617
01:36:57,080 --> 01:37:00,360
Speaker 1: if there even is next week for this staff. Um.

1618
01:37:01,000 --> 01:37:02,560
Speaker 1: I think if something would happen, I probably would have

1619
01:37:02,560 --> 01:37:05,200
Speaker 1: already happened though, right, yeah, probably. Well, I don't think

1620
01:37:05,240 --> 01:37:07,799
Speaker 1: that they can fire him until they get an athletic director.

1621
01:37:08,320 --> 01:37:11,280
Speaker 1: I mean, who who's gonna find? I mean, well, they

1622
01:37:11,479 --> 01:37:16,479
Speaker 1: they officially got Bone, but but he hasn't signed the

1623
01:37:16,520 --> 01:37:19,680
Speaker 1: contract yet. So when he when he's formally announced, I

1624
01:37:19,720 --> 01:37:22,280
Speaker 1: don't think his first formula announcement is going to be

1625
01:37:22,320 --> 01:37:24,920
Speaker 1: that he's firing the coach. God, the first thing he

1626
01:37:24,920 --> 01:37:27,840
Speaker 1: should have done his comeback after that, after that, the

1627
01:37:27,920 --> 01:37:33,200
Speaker 1: moment that game ended and demand a raise. Oh dude,

1628
01:37:33,240 --> 01:37:35,360
Speaker 1: He's like, oh yeah, I actually no, no, no, I

1629
01:37:35,720 --> 01:37:39,360
Speaker 1: need I need a private jet now. Um and and

1630
01:37:39,360 --> 01:37:41,840
Speaker 1: and truth being told, this final score fifty six to

1631
01:37:41,960 --> 01:37:45,120
Speaker 1: twenty four wasn't even as close as it really was

1632
01:37:45,600 --> 01:37:49,800
Speaker 1: because they they added the last I think cayl Ford

1633
01:37:50,160 --> 01:37:54,120
Speaker 1: scored with like three minutes left in complete garbage time,

1634
01:37:54,200 --> 01:37:57,160
Speaker 1: so this was really a fifty six and seventeen. I

1635
01:37:57,160 --> 01:38:00,720
Speaker 1: mean it was fifty seven. It was really if you

1636
01:38:00,800 --> 01:38:03,040
Speaker 1: throw away that garbage time touchdown was fifty six to

1637
01:38:03,120 --> 01:38:09,320
Speaker 1: seven run ye yes, I mean if I when it

1638
01:38:09,520 --> 01:38:14,400
Speaker 1: was when Oregon scored and went up uh on that

1639
01:38:14,520 --> 01:38:19,040
Speaker 1: kickoff return seventeen and then they were getting the ball

1640
01:38:19,120 --> 01:38:22,920
Speaker 1: back tore up eleven. I was like, if Oregon scores

1641
01:38:23,040 --> 01:38:26,559
Speaker 1: right here, this is gonna be ball game. And they did.

1642
01:38:27,080 --> 01:38:29,320
Speaker 1: Then they scored again with six minutes left and it

1643
01:38:29,400 --> 01:38:32,240
Speaker 1: was seventeen, and you're like, oh wow, this is getting

1644
01:38:32,240 --> 01:38:37,120
Speaker 1: out of hand. Jawan Johnson three straight touchdowns and then uh,

1645
01:38:37,240 --> 01:38:40,400
Speaker 1: Mikah Pittman scored and it was fifty seventy and I

1646
01:38:40,439 --> 01:38:43,519
Speaker 1: could not believe. I was looking at it. I was like,

1647
01:38:43,880 --> 01:38:47,800
Speaker 1: it is fifty six to seventeen. I cannot believe this,

1648
01:38:48,240 --> 01:38:51,200
Speaker 1: considering that it was ten zero at the end of

1649
01:38:51,200 --> 01:38:58,240
Speaker 1: the first quarter the other way, and and I it

1650
01:38:58,280 --> 01:39:01,560
Speaker 1: feels like I noticed is a it have an over overstatement,

1651
01:39:01,600 --> 01:39:05,320
Speaker 1: but it feels like I'm watching Alabama play football. How

1652
01:39:05,320 --> 01:39:07,759
Speaker 1: many times have we seen because this is where Cristal

1653
01:39:07,760 --> 01:39:11,200
Speaker 1: ball came from, how many times have we seen them,

1654
01:39:11,240 --> 01:39:13,479
Speaker 1: you know, struggle with the team in the first quarter,

1655
01:39:13,840 --> 01:39:16,320
Speaker 1: Like even a Duke game this year was close in

1656
01:39:16,360 --> 01:39:18,800
Speaker 1: the first quarter. Then they just lean on you and

1657
01:39:18,840 --> 01:39:23,360
Speaker 1: they just break you, like they just crush you, and

1658
01:39:23,640 --> 01:39:27,799
Speaker 1: You're like, hold up. It was just it was just threes.

1659
01:39:28,040 --> 01:39:30,120
Speaker 1: It was just seven to three. We were up at

1660
01:39:30,120 --> 01:39:31,880
Speaker 1: the end of the first quarter. How do we lose

1661
01:39:31,920 --> 01:39:35,439
Speaker 1: fifty How do we lose fifty six to ten? That

1662
01:39:35,520 --> 01:39:37,439
Speaker 1: was kind of what it felt like. Yeah, I mean,

1663
01:39:37,479 --> 01:39:39,400
Speaker 1: I don't much to say. I'm just glad that games

1664
01:39:39,400 --> 01:39:42,240
Speaker 1: are that It's it's increasingly clear who the top two

1665
01:39:42,240 --> 01:39:44,720
Speaker 1: teams are in this conference, and and I'm at the

1666
01:39:44,760 --> 01:39:47,879
Speaker 1: point where I want to see them meet when usually

1667
01:39:48,040 --> 01:39:50,400
Speaker 1: you know, I don't really care much about the outcomes

1668
01:39:50,439 --> 01:39:53,360
Speaker 1: of the Once you seel A won their second game,

1669
01:39:53,400 --> 01:39:56,519
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be wrong about everything anyway, so I don't

1670
01:39:56,520 --> 01:39:59,120
Speaker 1: really care what happens. And now I'm back to the

1671
01:39:59,120 --> 01:40:01,360
Speaker 1: point where I'm like peace, teams have to play each other.

1672
01:40:01,680 --> 01:40:06,559
Speaker 1: So do you think there's any way Well, do you

1673
01:40:06,600 --> 01:40:10,120
Speaker 1: believe that either one of these two teams is one

1674
01:40:10,160 --> 01:40:15,040
Speaker 1: of the four best teams in in the college football? No? No,

1675
01:40:15,240 --> 01:40:20,360
Speaker 1: I don't. UM. I think that I think that there's

1676
01:40:20,400 --> 01:40:24,479
Speaker 1: too many offensive liabilities for Utah, and I think that

1677
01:40:24,479 --> 01:40:31,400
Speaker 1: that Oregon has shown so many consistency issues. Um, you

1678
01:40:31,400 --> 01:40:34,040
Speaker 1: know of who they're going to be from from week

1679
01:40:34,080 --> 01:40:36,920
Speaker 1: to week talent wise, I think that you could make

1680
01:40:36,960 --> 01:40:40,439
Speaker 1: an argument that Oregon is a year away if they

1681
01:40:40,479 --> 01:40:42,720
Speaker 1: developed some of the guys on this roster and if

1682
01:40:42,760 --> 01:40:48,040
Speaker 1: Tyler Schuck can can even produce of of what you

1683
01:40:48,040 --> 01:40:50,040
Speaker 1: know Justin Herbert did this year. PS shout out to

1684
01:40:50,040 --> 01:40:52,240
Speaker 1: Tyler Schuck for on the last play of that game

1685
01:40:52,360 --> 01:40:55,599
Speaker 1: absolutely king a guy on a lead block that was

1686
01:40:55,760 --> 01:41:00,360
Speaker 1: insane that I was like, are you a court back

1687
01:41:00,479 --> 01:41:04,000
Speaker 1: or what? He must have hit him just right because

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01:41:04,040 --> 01:41:07,160
Speaker 1: that was so loud. I I actually screen recorded, IM

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01:41:07,160 --> 01:41:09,120
Speaker 1: gonna tweet it out here in a minute. Um, but

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01:41:09,280 --> 01:41:12,200
Speaker 1: he so h there was that. You know, I would

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01:41:12,240 --> 01:41:14,880
Speaker 1: say that I would say that I would put Oregon

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01:41:14,880 --> 01:41:17,840
Speaker 1: in the top eight as far as as far as

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01:41:17,920 --> 01:41:21,360
Speaker 1: like just in the entire country from top to bottom,

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01:41:21,400 --> 01:41:25,320
Speaker 1: and I would put I would put Utah's running game,

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01:41:25,360 --> 01:41:27,839
Speaker 1: in their defensive line in the top four. But everything

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01:41:27,840 --> 01:41:31,439
Speaker 1: else is I think at five. Um for me, So

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01:41:31,960 --> 01:41:34,360
Speaker 1: I'm not quite there yet, would you do? I want

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01:41:34,439 --> 01:41:37,120
Speaker 1: them to be absolutely and do I think that going

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01:41:37,400 --> 01:41:40,680
Speaker 1: twelve and one will get there there? Yes? Um. But

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Speaker 1: just from from everything else that I've seen this year,

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01:41:43,800 --> 01:41:45,560
Speaker 1: there are a couple of teams that I would I

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01:41:46,160 --> 01:41:48,200
Speaker 1: would put them up. You know, you know who just

1703
01:41:48,320 --> 01:41:50,960
Speaker 1: on capability alone should be the number one team in

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01:41:51,000 --> 01:41:52,680
Speaker 1: the country, but for some reason they can't put it

1705
01:41:52,720 --> 01:41:54,960
Speaker 1: together as Georgia. You know, they got that win over

1706
01:41:55,000 --> 01:41:57,400
Speaker 1: Florida yesterday and I was like, yeah, that's more, that's

1707
01:41:57,439 --> 01:41:59,519
Speaker 1: more like it. But it still wasn't them running on

1708
01:41:59,560 --> 01:42:02,799
Speaker 1: all sill durs um. They're there are just a couple

1709
01:42:02,800 --> 01:42:04,840
Speaker 1: of teams more out there that I think that have

1710
01:42:04,960 --> 01:42:06,960
Speaker 1: a little bit of a leg up I put I

1711
01:42:07,000 --> 01:42:11,840
Speaker 1: put maybe Oregan at seven, and you talk, oh, no way, bro.

1712
01:42:12,080 --> 01:42:16,960
Speaker 1: I I think that Utah and Oregon would would beat

1713
01:42:17,120 --> 01:42:27,080
Speaker 1: Georgia because Georgia is Man. They Georgia, they want to

1714
01:42:27,240 --> 01:42:30,479
Speaker 1: run the ball well, they want to keep Jake from

1715
01:42:30,600 --> 01:42:35,679
Speaker 1: under thirty throws. That's there, that's their motto and their

1716
01:42:35,680 --> 01:42:39,880
Speaker 1: success that they have, the the model that they've been

1717
01:42:39,880 --> 01:42:45,880
Speaker 1: successful with keep him under thirty throws. And if you're

1718
01:42:45,880 --> 01:42:49,400
Speaker 1: gonna play like like that, you talk can stay in

1719
01:42:49,400 --> 01:42:53,599
Speaker 1: the game with you and beat you. Uh. I think

1720
01:42:53,960 --> 01:42:58,120
Speaker 1: capability to win exist exists, But I just if you're

1721
01:42:58,160 --> 01:43:01,120
Speaker 1: if you're asking me if I think that either team

1722
01:43:01,160 --> 01:43:04,640
Speaker 1: are definitely not both UM, But I do think that

1723
01:43:04,680 --> 01:43:07,000
Speaker 1: there are elements of both teams that could put them

1724
01:43:07,000 --> 01:43:09,559
Speaker 1: in that conversation and make them competitively. I think you're

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01:43:09,560 --> 01:43:11,920
Speaker 1: talking compete with anybody. If they can be that disrupted

1726
01:43:12,000 --> 01:43:14,680
Speaker 1: from the defensive line, they're literally going to be in

1727
01:43:14,680 --> 01:43:17,320
Speaker 1: every game. And I would I would include Batman, it

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01:43:17,400 --> 01:43:21,200
Speaker 1: would be in there. But there there's only one team

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01:43:21,640 --> 01:43:27,839
Speaker 1: that I said, well, two teams actually actually one because

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01:43:27,960 --> 01:43:31,080
Speaker 1: the other one turns over the ball so much at times.

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01:43:31,760 --> 01:43:35,200
Speaker 1: Is Um. I think that I believe is So. I

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01:43:35,240 --> 01:43:37,599
Speaker 1: do the power rankings every week, and in my college

1733
01:43:37,640 --> 01:43:40,519
Speaker 1: football power rankings this week. For the last couple of weeks,

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01:43:40,520 --> 01:43:43,920
Speaker 1: I've had Ohio State as number one. I don't think

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01:43:43,960 --> 01:43:46,120
Speaker 1: that there is a team that can beat Ohio State

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01:43:46,160 --> 01:43:49,320
Speaker 1: at this point. And so with with that being said,

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01:43:49,640 --> 01:43:52,760
Speaker 1: that means that that includes Oregon and Utah. But then

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01:43:52,840 --> 01:43:55,240
Speaker 1: headed to number two l s U. I think l

1739
01:43:55,320 --> 01:43:59,479
Speaker 1: s U can be beat. Um they showed it and

1740
01:43:59,560 --> 01:44:03,360
Speaker 1: when when they played against Auburn they couldn't score. And

1741
01:44:03,400 --> 01:44:08,559
Speaker 1: Auburn's defenses is a Utah like defense except for Utah's

1742
01:44:08,600 --> 01:44:11,120
Speaker 1: offense is better. So I think LSU can be be

1743
01:44:11,680 --> 01:44:15,559
Speaker 1: Penn State can can be beat. They are they don't

1744
01:44:15,560 --> 01:44:20,439
Speaker 1: score enough points um to to run off on you

1745
01:44:21,240 --> 01:44:25,080
Speaker 1: and uh and and all of that. So but yeah,

1746
01:44:25,240 --> 01:44:31,479
Speaker 1: so but that's that's that's it. We have had a

1747
01:44:31,600 --> 01:44:35,880
Speaker 1: great episode of the Pack twelve Apostles. Um, we appreciate

1748
01:44:35,920 --> 01:44:38,240
Speaker 1: your time, We appreciate your energy. You guys, make sure

1749
01:44:38,280 --> 01:44:40,160
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1750
01:44:40,160 --> 01:44:43,799
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1752
01:44:46,920 --> 01:44:50,519
Speaker 1: dot com. We appreciate your time, appreciate your energy. Peace

1753
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Speaker 1: out and catch you guys later.