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Speaker 1: when you're a freelancer, when you're creative, like the idea

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Speaker 1: think you've seen Frand in an ugly work era, you

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Speaker 1: I'm embarrassed of how I treated my colleagues at Food

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Speaker 1: two of our podcast. And I'm really grateful that, you know,

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Speaker 1: work together so well and lovingly now, you know, well,

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Speaker 1: like the best thing that your friends and collaborators can do,

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Speaker 1: rather us talk about it than it like build up

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Speaker 1: into something bigger. Like I have so appreciated the times

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Speaker 1: really appreciated when I've come to you in those moments

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Speaker 1: my experience. And I think it's only through being that

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Speaker 1: and maintaining a friendship, Because like, you can work with

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Speaker 1: to work with people that you love or it's just

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Speaker 1: like a different kind of complicated. I agree, And you

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Speaker 1: know that's why I think that this podcast just that's

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Speaker 1: why we try to keep the stakes as low as possible.

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Speaker 1: We try to keep it fun and something that we

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Speaker 1: both look forward to. I mean, we're not even like

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Speaker 1: making any money right now, you know what I mean. Like,

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Speaker 1: I hope that the virgins at home can continue to

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Speaker 1: like share this podcast more and more, especially during Pride season,

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Speaker 1: because you know, when we do get better numbers that

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Speaker 1: like you know, we're just this is just fun, UM,

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Speaker 1: and I feel like that has helped us stay honest

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Speaker 1: about you know how it like stems for from our

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Speaker 1: And speaking of supporting this podcast, we are doing our

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Speaker 1: first ever live event in New York City on June

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Speaker 1: and you should really come to it if you live

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Speaker 1: in or around New York. So fruitely, thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for listening to another one of our Pride Bonus episodes,

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Speaker 1: UM special thanks to our producer Phoebe and our entire

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Speaker 1: team at my Heart. See you Thursday for our regularly

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Speaker 1: scheduled episode, and again, please get tickets for our first

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