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Speaker 1: What is Up? Mets fans, Welcome back to another episode

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Speaker 1: of the Mets Up Podcast. We are actually one episode

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Speaker 1: away from Big two fifty for the Boys, which is

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Speaker 1: quite a few episodes, a lot of stuff to talk

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Speaker 1: about going on today. The big news that's going to

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Speaker 1: eventually come later in the episode has to do with

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Speaker 1: the MLB Draft lottery, which we know is happening the

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Speaker 1: day that we're recording this December fifth, that night, Me

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Speaker 1: and James are recording in the afternoon, so we will

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Speaker 1: live react, give you our immediate reactions to whatever happens

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Speaker 1: later in the podcast same episode, though, so don't go

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Speaker 1: anywhere you'll hear our opinions at the end. If we

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Speaker 1: sound like we don't know what's happened right now, it's

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Speaker 1: because we don't. We have no clue. But we do

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Speaker 1: know that the Mets have announced some new play people

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Speaker 1: in the coaching staff in the front office as well

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Speaker 1: have signed a couple players that, of course, me and

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Speaker 1: James are going to break down fully for you guys,

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Speaker 1: so that you know the every little bit of information

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Speaker 1: you need to know about everybody coming to the New

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Speaker 1: York Mets for this upcoming twenty twenty four season. As always,

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Speaker 1: really do appreciate it, James, how we doing doing good?

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Speaker 1: No complaints? Nice December Happy.

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Speaker 2: There's finally like a little bit a modicum of action

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Speaker 2: right now going on in baseball at the Winter Meetings.

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Speaker 2: We have traction on moves, but no actual moves. The

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Speaker 2: entire baseball world has been on Eric Fetti Watch for

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Speaker 2: about sixteen hours now, everyone waiting for the pin to drop,

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Speaker 2: the big domino to fall in free agency, and then

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Speaker 2: we can finally get the floodgates open.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's definitely the Eric Fetty Watch for Eric Fetti WAP.

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Speaker 1: No one's worried about Shoheo Tani or Yoshinobu Yamamoto. You

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Speaker 1: know what's a name that legitimately haven't even heard a

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Speaker 1: thing about, haven't heard a word about Blake Snow, which

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Speaker 1: is kind of fun very funny considering due just won

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Speaker 1: the cy young and no one's even concerned about him.

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Speaker 1: Everybody's focused on, like you said, Eric Fetty, sneaky, that

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Speaker 1: was your prediction of that, he's the guy who is

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Speaker 1: going to take a year the sign. So that's off

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Speaker 1: to you. Thank you, thank you. I you know, a

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Speaker 1: broke clock is right twice a day. I think that's

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Speaker 1: the sense saying right, saying yeah, nice, I was saying right, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Still a lot mess up for you guys.

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Speaker 2: Talk about definitely the most Mets laden packed Danse episode

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Speaker 2: we've had in a while, especially because the Mets announced

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Speaker 2: earlier this week or I believe late last week whatever

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Speaker 2: was last few days, officially announced all the new additions

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Speaker 2: In the front office, we have Chris Gross, new vice

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Speaker 2: president of amateur Scouting, Andy Green, Senior vice president player Development,

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Speaker 2: Eduardo Bresuela, vice president's special assistant, the Davis Stearns, the

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Speaker 1: A whole slew of coaches.

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Speaker 2: John Gibbons, the bench coach, Antonine Richardson is the first

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Speaker 1: Let's go with the front office. Let's go with the

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Speaker 1: front office. I know that's what you're most excited to

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Speaker 1: start off with Chris Gross, VP of amateur Scouting, which

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Speaker 1: is also super important. As we know, the Mets want

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Speaker 1: how do you do so you scout? Well, Chris Gross

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Speaker 1: did a great job of that with the Astros the

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Speaker 1: last eleven years, and he worked with David Stearns in

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Speaker 1: five as the Astros Director of amateur Scouting. So this

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Speaker 1: is a promotion for him coming to the Mets. Yes,

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Speaker 2: Can remind people that if you're signing someone who's under

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Speaker 2: And Mark mentioned those last five years he spent is

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Speaker 2: the Astros Amateurs director of Scouting, director of amateur Scouting.

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Speaker 1: Not amateur director. That'd be Ailayer. See's you guys understand

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Speaker 1: it's funny when you switch tho two words around, how

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Speaker 2: Not amateur director, he's the director of amateur Scouting. That's

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Speaker 2: So oversaw the last five amateur drafts and those included

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Speaker 2: And we just know that for years and years since

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Speaker 2: Gross had been there, but since this whole Astros regime

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Speaker 2: For over the last twelve years, so since Gross began

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Speaker 1: So really cool that Gross is here.

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Speaker 2: And I think that hearing from people around the industry,

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Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I mean, just the fact that, like you said,

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Speaker 2: And we kind of know that just from like seeing

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Speaker 2: kind of ridiculous because you're not very often gonna have

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Speaker 2: the fact that that's something that can be converted as

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Speaker 2: very big. Another big part of this now is going

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Speaker 2: to be Andy Green, who's hired to be senior vice

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Speaker 2: this offseason. But scouting wise, were incredible. But we've had

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Speaker 1: Around the industry love it.

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Speaker 2: And it's funny with Green because he's someone who even

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Speaker 2: someone who has spent most of his time on like

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Speaker 2: which I thought was also kind of funny the fact

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's always interesting to see a guy that's

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Speaker 1: also funny that interviewing for a manager job this offseason

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Speaker 1: gonna put you in a spot that's really important to Like,

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Speaker 1: we have a spot for you. We just want Carlos

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Speaker 1: Mendoza as our guy. It's cool. It's very nice to see,

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Speaker 1: like you said, there's a lot of positive buzz around

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Speaker 1: Andy Green. It's a name that you guys are probably

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Speaker 1: familiar with because of those coaching jobs that he has

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Speaker 1: that are winning developing players. It's as much as nice

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Speaker 1: as it is to think that you can just buy

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Speaker 1: your team good that way. The way that you build

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Speaker 1: this like self sustaining system is by having the minor

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Speaker 2: Yes, and I like the fact that seems like this

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Speaker 2: having a guy like Mendoza who's like he likes blending

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Speaker 2: both sides of baseball. Even thinking back to when David

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Speaker 2: Stearns was President baseball Operations for the Brewers and Craig

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Speaker 2: Council became their manager, he originally had a role with

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Speaker 2: the Brewers in the front office. So is the fact

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Speaker 2: the field, on the field, deal with players like as

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Speaker 2: a whole, like as a collective and oversee a lot

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Speaker 2: individually and be able to say exactly what they think.

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Speaker 2: What do you think they can do to make themselves better?

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Speaker 2: I think is very important. Again, it just seems just

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Speaker 1: which we're I don't know how we're gonna find that

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Speaker 1: clip At some point we're gonna use it somewhere on

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Speaker 1: Twitter or Instagram or something like that about him being

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Speaker 1: that shortstop there. And he was also the third base

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Speaker 1: He's an infield coach for the Guardians since twenty thirteen.

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Speaker 1: Same thing. He was a lifetime manager rat. As I

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Speaker 1: like to put it, he was just like, rather than

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Speaker 1: playing in the minor league forever, he's like, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: coach forever. And the teams they coached in the minor

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Speaker 1: league is extremely successful. Also kind of racking my brain here,

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Speaker 1: probably coach Francisco Lindor at some point. Now that I

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Speaker 1: think about it, M definitely sounds like it.

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Speaker 2: And we do love minor league success in this podcast,

448
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Speaker 2: you got to learn how to win before you know

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Speaker 2: how to win something.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: That's I feel like it's more of a football thing,

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Speaker 2: but I think that also comes into an in baseball

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Speaker 2: as well. And I don't think the Guardians get enough.

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Speaker 2: Cleveland organizations, because had two different names in the last decade,

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Speaker 2: gets enough credit for being just consistently one of the

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Speaker 2: most well run organizations, besides the fact that they have

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Speaker 2: no money at all, they're allowed to spend any year.

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Speaker 2: In particular, I saw a thing on Twitter going round

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Speaker 2: for that. Yeah, so so thankful for that. That did

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Speaker 2: nothing about it. That really that really helped to find

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Speaker 2: our organization now. But they'ven't had an outfielder her twenty

462
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Speaker 2: home runs about ten years. Whoa wait, can I guess

463
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Speaker 2: who the last guy was?

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Speaker 1: Totally? Is it crazy? Guys Moore?

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Speaker 2: No, just after him, someone an incredibly unheralded, underrated baseball

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Speaker 2: player from our youth. Ooh, you have one more guests,

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Speaker 2: and I'll give you another hint. One more guess also

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Speaker 2: take seconds, give.

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Speaker 1: Me, give me a hand, give me a hint. Just

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Speaker 1: three names. He has three names, No, no clue. Shinsu

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Speaker 1: Chu zu Chu is extremely underrated.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and before him Ryan Rayburn and then those the

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Speaker 2: last two Cleveland outfields at twenty and then Brandley, last

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Speaker 2: three Cleveland outfields at twenty home runs and getting twenty

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Speaker 2: home right outfielders. That that kind of just happens by

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Speaker 2: accident usually, so it's pretty shocking they've done that. But again,

477
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Speaker 2: incredible war were an organization, Their minor league development operations

478
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Speaker 2: just hearing from people around the league and the industry

479
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Speaker 2: are exemplary, like as good as it gets, and that's

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Speaker 2: how they're able to run such slim margins and always

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Speaker 2: always have talented major league rosters, at least talented enough

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Speaker 2: to win like between seventy seven and ninety games like

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Speaker 2: no More no Less had the Spike season. Shoutout Roche Davis,

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Speaker 2: shout versus Colondora, shoutout beds over So I guess I

485
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Speaker 2: was that was probably the best baseball game I ever watched.

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Speaker 2: I was arguing with as Via will call them my

487
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Speaker 2: toxic uncles, about the greatest games we've ever watched and

488
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Speaker 2: like me and my own cousin were in like we

489
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Speaker 2: were in such a high argument between I mean twenty

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Speaker 2: eleven Game seven, twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 1: Game seven.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, twenty eleven, there were twice that the Cardinals were

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Speaker 2: down to their final strike, final out and David because

494
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Speaker 2: we saved them twice, yes, twice, twice, two times. So

495
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Speaker 2: my cousin reminded me that a lot that happened twice

496
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Speaker 2: the other game didn't happen at all. But I was

497
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Speaker 2: not the other game more prestige because it was the

498
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Speaker 2: two biggest droughts World Series droughts in the.

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Speaker 1: Entire sport, the rain delay.

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Speaker 2: I lived in Ohio, so it was a little more

501
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Speaker 2: hot at the time, I guess, even just for me,

502
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Speaker 2: just like being around a lot of Cleveland people all

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Speaker 2: the time. But as digress, not by the point, but

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Speaker 2: we're gonna get more of these coaches throughout the year.

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Speaker 1: Of course we learned about them, they guess immediate availability.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we learned a lot about our coaches in

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Speaker 2: the last couple of years just from being being around

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Speaker 2: the club too, and around the field and justin general,

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Speaker 2: like very nice to just get like last year was

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Speaker 2: not a great season, for the Mets. Now, it's very

511
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Speaker 2: nice sometimes to just flush the toilet and like bring

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Speaker 2: all new stuff in and like let's get some new voices,

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Speaker 2: gets new energies, gets new attitude, like happy that there's

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Speaker 2: gonna be a lot of new just a lot of

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Speaker 2: new things in.

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Speaker 1: The building when last year things didn't go super well. Yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: one hundred percent. I mean, and the guys that are

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Speaker 1: sticking around Hefner, Chavez, the Barnes boys, like, we're happy

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Speaker 1: to see all those guys back as well. Did you

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Speaker 1: like that you like I would just drop that one

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Speaker 1: in there. I didn't even I mean you ever use

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Speaker 1: that terminology before, the Barns Boys, But we got a

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Speaker 1: couple totally. And I feel like also, like you can see,

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Speaker 1: like the difference is that the guys who stuck around

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Speaker 1: are the ones that have more of an organizational impact,

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Speaker 1: and these are guys we are gonna have more of

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Speaker 1: an outfield impact. Like Barnes and Java seem to be

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Speaker 1: part of this whole like new founder organizational approach to hitting.

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Speaker 1: Hefner and like Eric Jeger seem to be working very

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Speaker 1: closely in terms of major league pitching development and full

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Speaker 1: organization pitching development. Those guys seem like a bit of

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Speaker 1: the tandem and the tande that beginning to trust very much.

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Speaker 1: And again this just seems like this is gonna be

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Speaker 1: like this mean Mendoza's guys, Like these are his guys,

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Speaker 1: Like this was his this was his crew, and he's

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Speaker 1: going to be his could call them Mendoza's men. Mendoza's men.

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Speaker 1: I like Mendoza's men. All right, good, speaking of some

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Speaker 1: of Mendozes men. Let's talk about some players now, because

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Speaker 1: the Mets have actually made some moves that we can

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Speaker 1: talk about. We're gonna save the bigger one for the

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Speaker 1: end because the other guys we can just kind of

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Speaker 1: glance over a little bit quicker than maybe Louis Severino

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Speaker 1: per se. But Tyler Heineman Cooper Hummel have been brought

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Speaker 1: in as basically depth catching. I think Cooper Humble was

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Speaker 1: added to the forty man roster so he has a

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Speaker 1: chance to obviously make the squad come in out spring

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Speaker 1: training stuff like that. What's interesting about Cooper Humble he

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Speaker 1: can play the outfield as well. One of the rare

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Speaker 1: guys who plays catcher and the outfield also, I think

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Speaker 1: was with the Dinebacks at one point, who also had

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Speaker 1: one of the last catchers who played the outfield as well. Yes,

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Speaker 1: far so.

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Speaker 2: And he was also drafted by the Brewers back in

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Speaker 2: twenty sixteen. So definitely someone who's probably a connection with Stearns.

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Speaker 2: Also just has, like I'm gonna say this, like very lately,

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Speaker 2: he has a modicum of like really cool batted ball data,

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Speaker 2: like when he's been in the league for a couple

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Speaker 2: of years. Twenty twenty two, he had a pretty decent

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Speaker 2: decent sample. He put one hundred thirteen balls in play

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Speaker 2: and good mac DV one hundred eleven miles an hour,

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Speaker 2: hit the ball hard, good amount, Like he struck out

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Speaker 2: of the bunch. He was able to walk eleven percent

563
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Speaker 2: of the time. Like he's someone who leads, just like

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Speaker 2: on the forty man roster, could be a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Of a jolt. He can give you a little zap, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and you can play catcher. And I think it's also

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Speaker 1: worth noting that, like so, Tyler Heineman was also signed,

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Speaker 1: but to a minor league contract, not on the forty man.

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Speaker 1: Like in terms of the hierarchy and importance, the guys

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Speaker 1: who are on the forty man as you guys know,

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Speaker 1: are more important, have more of a possible impact. Yes,

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Speaker 1: and Humble.

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Speaker 2: The other thing is just again playing catcher an outfield.

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Speaker 2: That means like you're gonna be a pretty good athlete.

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Speaker 2: He has a cannon of an arm ninety second percent

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Speaker 2: tile on arm strength according to Baseball SAVAN and eighty

577
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Speaker 2: seven percent tile on sprint speed whoa, and ninety percent

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Speaker 2: tile in pop time. So those are a lot of

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Speaker 2: things together where it's like you have good athletic framework, Like,

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Speaker 2: let's just put this is a good guy to have

581
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Speaker 2: on the forty men roster, like breaking case of emergency

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Speaker 2: Cooper Humble, Like, just get him on the roster for

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Speaker 2: a week and see some crazy happens.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean we loved Michael Perez, but Cooper Hummel

585
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Speaker 1: maybe a little better of an athlete. Yeah, a little more,

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Speaker 1: little more jump, Yeah, a little more jump, all right.

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Speaker 1: Kyle Kirker, Joey Wendell, who's next, James, Let me get

588
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Speaker 1: Kyle Crickaway, go for it. Matt's Davis sern is doing

589
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Speaker 1: anything this offseason where like I think they're trying to

590
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Speaker 1: make fun of me and just hiring random believers. I've

591
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Speaker 1: liked and talked about for the last couple of years,

592
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Speaker 1: Kyle Kriek being one of them. Mark knows, I was

593
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Speaker 1: just all over this guy and we lived together because

594
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Speaker 1: twenty eighteen and nineteen he was electric, like he was

595
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Speaker 1: throwing ninety six then, and he's had a litany of

596
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Speaker 1: arm issues that have now push him down to the

597
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Speaker 1: ninety two to ninety three range, which who knows, maybe

598
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Speaker 1: basically just took this whole year off his health was unclear.

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Speaker 1: He had I had a minor league contract with the

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Speaker 1: Rays and ops that out of it before the season,

601
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Speaker 1: and now he's been pitching in the Winter League. When

602
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Speaker 1: dr before this Mets contract happened, couldn't find any velocity

603
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Speaker 1: readings on him then, but clearly he did enough there

604
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Speaker 1: for to peak the Met's interest have him signed. Twent

605
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Speaker 1: nineteen was actually one of the best twenty eighteen was

606
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Speaker 1: actually one of the best relievers in baseball. Like he

607
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Speaker 1: had a two to three ERA, he was striking out

608
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Speaker 1: thirty percent of hit is like his slider is devastating.

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Speaker 1: He throws a two seamer that some people call a sinker.

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Speaker 1: It's hard to tell with the way the sinkers and

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Speaker 1: the sinkers and two seamers are differentiated like the public

612
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Speaker 1: baseball forms. But he still has that amazing slider.

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Speaker 2: Even back in twenty twenty two, his last healthier with

614
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Speaker 2: the White Sox that was again also cut short by

615
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Speaker 2: believe elbow inflammation, she said, getting a lot of velbow issues.

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Speaker 2: He was still throwing that slider like forty percent of

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Speaker 2: the time and it was still moving a lot. In

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Speaker 2: terms of stuff plus which is Ino Sirius is pitch

619
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Speaker 2: grading his public on Fangrass, still very very very well

620
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Speaker 2: above average pitch, even in terms of sliders.

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Speaker 1: It's awesome. Pitch is awesome.

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Speaker 2: He has that two seemer that weirdly again it was

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Speaker 2: called sinker, and he was throwing it a lot in

624
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Speaker 2: the top of his zone. So all these other MLB

625
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Speaker 2: the show players out there, no, it's like a big

626
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Speaker 2: hack in the game to throw those high singers that

627
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Speaker 2: like just on the top of his And we've kind

628
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Speaker 2: of seen a little bit in the last few years,

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Speaker 2: like some teams experiment more with pitch shapes and where

630
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Speaker 2: they can throw certain pitches, like outside the conventional wisdom.

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Speaker 2: I know, Mark, you hate you hate what the lefty

632
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Speaker 2: the lefty lefty sinkers and the lefty righty change ups.

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Speaker 1: I hate the righty righty, lefty lefty change ups. Say

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Speaker 1: it doesn't make any sense, especially like it doesn't make

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Speaker 1: any sense. I'll get into it later, Yeah, totally.

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Speaker 2: And like that's the thing that I feel like is

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Speaker 2: a difference between playing baseball at a high level and

638
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Speaker 2: then versus just like I can I see his shape

639
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Speaker 2: and I know the way hit they're swinging and like

640
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Speaker 2: looking at baseball on a computer, which I think is

641
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Speaker 2: definitely a battle that most teams have with themselves. And

642
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Speaker 2: I think like high sinkers are one of those where

643
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Speaker 2: it's like if you missed with that high sinker, you

644
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Speaker 2: were throwing a meatball down the middle, or like if

645
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Speaker 2: there's no more positive yeah, or unless you can like

646
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Speaker 2: pick the guy off on the top and like scare

647
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Speaker 2: him a little bit, you know, be like, oh my god,

648
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Speaker 2: that pitch is sinking into the strike, so oh god,

649
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Speaker 2: defensive swing. But I think just the fact that that

650
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Speaker 2: slider still is with this he's on a minor league contract,

651
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 2: like that that's it.

652
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 1: Like this is this is a no impact signing.

653
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 2: The memes were amazing with this every single time mess

654
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 2: signing guyther like Stern's Masterclass Bullpen complete, like we finally

655
00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 2: did it, like Mets fans have been all over. It's

656
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 2: been great this offseason. The ones who are actually like

657
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:03,680
Speaker 2: half kidding, not the ones who aren't dead serious, but

658
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 2: quick as a hoss. He's like six four to two thirty,

659
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,160
Speaker 2: has a great slide there. He's someone who at least

660
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 2: like in terms of minor league depth, like or at

661
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 2: the shot.

662
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the Krick crew. Maybe that would be

663
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,119
Speaker 1: the new Brigham boys. We'll see the Krick Crew. Yeah. Well,

664
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 1: let's say let's se Us for training goes. Yeah, if

665
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:18,440
Speaker 1: he gets if he gets the ninety five, Just like

666
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 1: I said with.

667
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 2: Brig Up last year, I'm in you're I'm not looking

668
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 2: back if I see ninety five on that breathing man

669
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 2: when we go to spring trading, that's gonna hit differently

670
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,479
Speaker 2: when we watch Kyle Crick pitch, like, come on, last year,

671
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:30,119
Speaker 2: breakerp it did, He's he never got to have a

672
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 2: vos Sea level. But as I digress, Joey Wendall the

673
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,200
Speaker 2: next guy bringing in a defensive sub essentially, you guys

674
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 2: know the vibes like he's gonna be essentially that Luiski

675
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:39,679
Speaker 2: or May Roll where he can play every infield position.

676
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 2: I think he can even play the outfield if needed.

677
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,160
Speaker 1: A corner spot. I don't think he's played it a lot,

678
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 1: but I think he has like an inning or two

679
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 1: there in case of emergency. So as possible three million dollars.

680
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,160
Speaker 1: It's free, high contact guy, puts the ball in play.

681
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:53,680
Speaker 1: The thing that I love about him the most has

682
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 1: nothing to do with his actual ability. No bgs, no

683
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 1: batting gloves. So while de or May was no bad

684
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 1: and gloves guy, we don't lose. We get one back

685
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,400
Speaker 1: here with Joey Wendall. No batting gloves and the dude

686
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,920
Speaker 1: just wears like plain black fleets, keeps the pants low,

687
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 1: respects the game. Sometimes you need some of those guys here,

688
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 1: Joey Wendell, I'm all for it. I've also, like I've

689
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:13,399
Speaker 1: just had an affinity with Joey Wendell ever since. He

690
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 1: like really got that start with the rays of a

691
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 1: guy who's just like you watch him play and you're

692
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 1: not fascinated, but he does everything kind of well and

693
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:22,359
Speaker 1: he's gonna make some big plays where you get some

694
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 1: big hits. Just a fun, boring player to watch if

695
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:26,440
Speaker 1: that makes any sense.

696
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and twenty twenty three is really rough for Wendell,

697
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 2: But going back twenty twenty two, he just did the

698
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 2: Wendell thing where he never swung in miss he never

699
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 2: struck down, and he played really good defense.

700
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:35,199
Speaker 1: I think that's the goal here.

701
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:38,159
Speaker 2: For three million dollars, that's again, that's like basically a

702
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,119
Speaker 2: non starter for a baseball player's salary.

703
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 1: It's it's funny that a signing like this, I feel.

704
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 2: Like usually happens late February early March, like a spring

705
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,719
Speaker 2: crings come together. Rosters are around the last guy's hanging out.

706
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 2: There are three million complete backup infielders. So I thought

707
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 2: it was funny.

708
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 1: This was like the first move that we made.

709
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 2: Some people talked about that, but also something important about Wendell.

710
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:59,119
Speaker 2: That's David Stern said. Absolutely. He said like said it

711
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 2: out loud yesterday while he was talking to the media

712
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,439
Speaker 2: during the GM beating side. He brings a cultural element

713
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 2: to this roster in this clubhouse, which is like, okay,

714
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,360
Speaker 2: cosumit pro. He's been in winning clubhouses. The Marlins team

715
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 2: was on last year, just despite the fact that he

716
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 2: didn't play super well, is a team that completely overseed

717
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 2: expectations and he was a part of a locker room

718
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 2: that did that well.

719
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 1: He had a lot of young guys. So three million dollars.

720
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 1: I don't think people should be.

721
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 2: Freaking out about this, the fact that we're like wasting

722
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:24,159
Speaker 2: our time and energy and Joey Wendell as far as

723
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 2: the twenty six man roster goes, you want a guy

724
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 2: like Joey Wendall on it, and if it is gonna

725
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 2: be Joey Wendell, like could and if not?

726
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 1: If not?

727
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 2: But I think this is someone who don't read too

728
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 2: much into it, Like this is just a guy who

729
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:36,640
Speaker 2: doesn't more batting, goes to plays a good defense people

730
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:37,959
Speaker 2: like to have around and that's a good thing.

731
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 1: Who's like had like a seven to fifty ops a

732
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:41,879
Speaker 1: couple times in his career. Like yeah, and like you

733
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 1: just better Luis Ki or may like it's really just

734
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 1: that simple. It probably it probably is. Yeah, So that's

735
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:48,680
Speaker 1: Joey Wendall. Now to talk about the big one, the

736
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 1: most fun one, Louis Severino. I know me and James

737
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 1: talked about trivia earlier. The news broke about that when

738
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 1: we were headed to trivia and we were texting each

739
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 1: other wildly, which you would think, like again, like you

740
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 1: signed someone crazy, but Louis Severino one year, thirty million

741
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 1: dollars deal with the Mets, super super interesting contract, Super

742
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 1: happy that we were on the side of this. It's

743
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: funny in my MLB in like my free agent prediction

744
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:13,399
Speaker 1: video that I do every year on my YouTube channel,

745
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 1: I predict where every single pre agent's gonna sign. And

746
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,640
Speaker 1: I almost kind of forgot that we have the Brewers

747
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:20,919
Speaker 1: guy because I predicted Severino to go to the Brewers

748
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 1: this offseason simply because I was like, this feels like

749
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 1: a guy that the Brewers would sign great stuff, has

750
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 1: been a top pictuer before they can fix them. And

751
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:30,719
Speaker 1: then I was like, wait, we've got the Brewers guy.

752
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 1: It makes so much sense that the Mets went out

753
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 1: and signed him totally.

754
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 2: And I think the thing that Mets fans have to

755
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 2: understand about sever Reno is a couple other things. One,

756
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 2: you can't really look at any signings in a vacuum.

757
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 2: It'll make everything will make significantly more sense when the

758
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 2: off season is over. Yes, So like the fact that

759
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 2: right now is the only picture that we've signed, I

760
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,239
Speaker 2: think has people on edge just because he's someone who

761
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 2: in terms of what we saw for him last year,

762
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 2: the last couple of years, the last really five years.

763
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 2: It's hard to rely on either effectiveness or availability, which

764
00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 2: I have a picture. I would like both of those

765
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:02,239
Speaker 2: things in a perfect effectiveness and availability. But then if

766
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 2: you like have Severno and you tack on some mornings

767
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 2: eithers and maybe a high end star there also an offseason,

768
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 2: he becomes someone who is like the third most expensive

769
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 2: pitcher you signed, or even the second best, or even

770
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 2: maybe the third because the two guys who were slightly

771
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 2: above him, one got way above and one guy little

772
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 2: above him. Nevertheless, look at you can never look at

773
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 2: him the vacuum right now. We have to because this

774
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 2: is where we are in the offseason. The other thing

775
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 2: that's important to look at with this contract is that

776
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 2: this is a one year, thirteen million documentment. Louis Averno

777
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 2: is someone who's never been extended to qualifying offer before,

778
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 2: so now if any if everything goes incredibly, you have

779
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 2: the opportunity to do that as well. So the best

780
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 2: case scenario, this is like a deal with one plus

781
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 2: a team option for about thirty five million dollars in

782
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 2: the most perfect world ever, and at worse, just one

783
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:39,719
Speaker 2: for thirteen. That's less mine, Andrew, he and you got

784
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:41,959
Speaker 2: last year from the Rangers, less money Alex what got

785
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 2: a few years ago from the Giants. This is the

786
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 2: kind of contract that you give to someone who you

787
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 2: think can be a starting pitcher, but you're don't necessarily

788
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 2: counting them to be a starting picture. You're kind of

789
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 2: paying for the risk here, and the risk of sever

790
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 2: Reno is that you look at a guy who even

791
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 2: two years ago, we have to put away twenty seventeen

792
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 2: to twenty eight and sever Reno after minds, which sucks

793
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 2: because at that time he was literally like one of

794
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 2: the most electric pitchers in baseball. The Yankee signed him

795
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 2: to like an arbitration ender where he got a couple

796
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 2: years off him. He got steady money, which wound up

797
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 2: being great for him because he spent seven hundred straight

798
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:09,959
Speaker 2: days on the IL from twenty nineteen through twenty twenty one.

799
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 2: So happy he got that back then, but he was

800
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 2: thrown He had the highest average fastball velosity in the league,

801
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 2: the eighth highlyst average styler velosity. People couldn't touch him.

802
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 2: He was pitching the wildcard game for them like he

803
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 2: was their ace. He was literally an ace on the

804
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 2: Yankees team that almost won a World Series. Yeah, it

805
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 2: was crazy to say, very very good pitcher.

806
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 1: Like you watched him and you're like, oh, man, really

807
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: sucks that the Yankees have this guy because he is nasty.

808
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, and again just to context for us, again, people

809
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 2: don't remember how good he was those two years. Three

810
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty four innings, three one eight ERA, one

811
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 2: oh nine web, twenty eight point eight strike I rad's

812
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 2: six point two walk greatly like eleven f war. One

813
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 2: of the best pitchers literally in all baseball, like, no

814
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 2: disputing that. But then just injuries piled up. He had

815
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 2: shoulder thing, he had wound up getting Tommy John surgery.

816
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 2: Then he had like a weird growing thing that got

817
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 2: pushed away, and then he wound up just like not

818
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 2: seven hundred straight days, like I said, on the injured

819
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 2: list from twenty nineteen twenty twenty twenty twenty one. Then

820
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 2: he came back in twenty twenty and he was actually

821
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 2: quite good.

822
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 1: I don't think that. I think that's the part that

823
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 1: a lot of people are missing in this equation. Right

824
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: here is the season before last, he was amazing. He

825
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: was back he's throwing ninety six. He wasn't throwing ninety eight.

826
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: He was throwing ninety six. The slither velosoity dropped more,

827
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 1: but the slider was still actually really good. Had a

828
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: forty two percent wifth rate that was the twelve highest

829
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: and all baseball, and twenty nine percent pull away rate.

830
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: And pull away rate is how often you're using that

831
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 1: in a two strike count and how often that's getting

832
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 1: guys out.

833
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 2: So he was one of the best at using his

834
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 2: slider when people knew he was using his slider, and

835
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 2: he's still getting guys out.

836
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 1: Overall.

837
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 2: In the year, he only threw a hundred innings because

838
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 2: of course he got injured again a load injury, but

839
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 2: three one eight one, twenty eight percent strike got seventy

840
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 2: percent walks, one hundred innings like he was fantastic. He's

841
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 2: a guy who you'd love in your rotation, and he

842
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 2: did that because he started using his change up more,

843
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 2: which is pitch I don't even think is that good,

844
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 2: but it's just something that's different. And a guy who

845
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 2: throws everything that goes horizontally like the slider goes horizontally.

846
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 2: The fastball is the fastball that has pretty good shape.

847
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 2: So it has like that rising action we talked about sometimes,

848
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 2: and he introduced a color that's more of just like

849
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 2: a little bit faster, a little more, a little less

850
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 2: movement version of a slyder. So he used the change

851
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 2: up was just something that moves differently. But the fact

852
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 2: that he used the color end the change up more

853
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 2: with less velocity helped him be very successful again. But

854
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 2: then I told told you guys, he had that lot

855
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:10,959
Speaker 2: injury last year was just a total disaster.

856
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: It was awful.

857
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 2: The era was six, the strikeout rate was below twenty percent,

858
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 2: like it was really really bad. He was truly like

859
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 2: one of the one the one of the worst pitchers

860
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,479
Speaker 2: in baseball for as much he pitched, And it kind

861
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 2: of made you look at twenty twenty two and realized

862
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 2: there was a lot of good luck he was getting

863
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 2: away with. I mentioned the fact that a lot of

864
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 2: his pitchers were moving horizontally, not north and south. When

865
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 2: you're a righty or a lefty and all of your

866
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 2: pitchers move one way, it definitely gives you less options

867
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 2: against hitters who are opposite hand to the view. And

868
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 2: that year against lefties, like it was a lot of

869
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 2: good luck, Like his bat leftis babbit against him was

870
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 2: under two hundred, and that made like the splits look okay,

871
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 2: Like the era was basically the same, but like the

872
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 2: fifth was.

873
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 1: Way off, the slugging was way off.

874
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 2: He had like a fifteen point lower strikeout rate against

875
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 2: lefties and righties, gave up like almost entire more home

876
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 2: run for nine n things against lefties and rities. He

877
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 2: had ten point less wif right against lefties and righties.

878
00:32:58,440 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 2: So like, there is a lot of good that happened

879
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 2: to years ago, but it's also definitely still not like

880
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 2: a perfect picture. But again, this is a great floor

881
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 2: here for one year thirteen million dollars. David Stern sent

882
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 2: his media availability on Monday that they believe they know

883
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 2: how to keep him healthy. Like he said that he's like,

884
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 2: I think we can help him stay healthy, and that's

885
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 2: like the biggest thing with him because the fastball slider

886
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 2: is still great even last year as his ERA was

887
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 2: six like stuff plus said, both those.

888
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 1: Pitchers were well above league average.

889
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 2: He was on one of the top guys and youin

890
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 2: know Sairius is under raged starting pitchers for this offseason,

891
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 2: and like as long, most pitchers who rely on velocity

892
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 2: you just can never rely on velocity forever. So the

893
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 2: way you become a good veteran pitture as opposed to

894
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 2: be a good young pitcher is getting new tricks, deepening

895
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 2: a repertoire like he proved that he could do in

896
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,479
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two, and just finding new ways to keep

897
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 2: his off balance and get them out. I don't think

898
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 2: it's really outside of the range of possibilities here, And

899
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 2: that's to me, is a really good bet for one

900
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 2: year thirteen million dollars for Alex with Andrewhini money one

901
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 2: hundred percent.

902
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: And like I know, like we're talking about the velo

903
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: has dropped from when he was twenty four years old,

904
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 1: but he still averaged ninety six last year, which is

905
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: still plus for a major league starting pitcher. Like that

906
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 1: is still well above average for how hard a pitcher's

907
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 1: gonna throw. So the idea that like Severno has these

908
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 1: good tools, has the guts still of someone who can

909
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:08,839
Speaker 1: be a very very solid pitcher. There of course needs

910
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 1: to be adjustment. There needs to be changes, like you

911
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 1: just said, like there has to be he has to

912
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 1: pitch better. He did not pitch well last year. There's

913
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 1: gonna be changes made to how he was, but being

914
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 1: able to still have those good guts and good bones

915
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 1: of someone who can be a good pitcher for one

916
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,439
Speaker 1: year thirteen million dollars, I mean take take that every

917
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 1: single day. What did Mike Clevinger signed for last year,

918
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 1: like twelve million? I think with the White Sox like

919
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 1: something like that, Like this is that that? But I'm saying,

920
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 1: like do you have to Smiley was like eleven million,

921
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 1: Like and those guys don't throwninety six No, if you

922
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 1: sever Reno in that range of pitchers, like right now,

923
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 1: he makes the least money in baseball for someone in

924
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 1: average fastball loss he at least ninety six miles an hour.

925
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 2: There it is at alone is worth the money. The

926
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 2: rest doesn't even matter. The fact the slatt still good

927
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:46,879
Speaker 2: doesn't even matter. And you also think about the fact

928
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 2: that he's leaving Yankee Stadium for City Field, and while

929
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 2: that's probably means something mentally for the guy who was

930
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 2: like the golden child, like someone who is going to

931
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 2: be like the future ace of this like crazy staff

932
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 2: in fact that he can just get away and like

933
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 2: take a deep breath for a second, like that good thing.

934
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 1: But also the fact that it's like you're going to

935
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: give up less home runs.

936
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 2: Last year's home number per fly ball rate was twenty

937
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,280
Speaker 2: one percent league average, something like thirteen percent fourteen percent

938
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 2: for that number. So even that just going from one

939
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 2: of the highest in the league like down to the

940
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 2: league average. We hate x FIP for that reason, but

941
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 2: there's a good time to contextualize it because y're the

942
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 2: year he's in a ballpark's going to give up fewer

943
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 2: home runs.

944
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's all very important, and like, I.

945
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:23,800
Speaker 2: Don't know, like we we have to like look at this,

946
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 2: We have to we have to have confidence in what

947
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:28,879
Speaker 2: the front office can do before we doubt them, rather

948
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 2: than the other way around. Yeah, because right now I

949
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,319
Speaker 2: feel like everyone's saying, like, oh, the Mets are taking

950
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 2: only flyers on pitchers, Like if this was the Rays

951
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 2: of the Dodgers or the Guardians, like I would trust

952
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 2: them before I doubted them. But like this is where

953
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 2: we're pulling what the Brewers have been doing for the

954
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 2: last couple of years right now, and we again, if

955
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 2: we kept all these pitching people in place, like there's

956
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 2: there's a lot of trust inside this organization that we

957
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 2: can get more out of players and other organizations can.

958
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 2: So if this blows up on our face, you know

959
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 2: it's a one year deal and you say bye bye,

960
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 2: you never think about it again.

961
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: So there's no risk really at all. There's never risk

962
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: on a one year contract.

963
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 2: But there's really good chances works out if he just

964
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 2: becomes a guy who can throw like one hundred third

965
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 2: of the innings to like a three five era, like

966
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 2: that is such a massive win for the amount of

967
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:07,320
Speaker 2: money we're spending on.

968
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 1: Its huge, huge, And I think like even in like

969
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 1: let's just pretend worst case scenario too. Something that you've

970
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: talked about a lot is like major league teams finding

971
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 1: these guys who can be these relievers that go to

972
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 1: three innings max effort like every couple days or whatever.

973
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 1: It's gonna be. Luis Savarino could totally be that guy. Like,

974
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 1: imagine if this guy maxed out for forty pitches like

975
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: twice a week or whatever, it's gonna be Like, all

976
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you're looking at a guy. You're like, man,

977
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 1: that's like a high leverage arm that can give us

978
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 1: multiple innings that we did not have either. So we

979
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 1: obviously want him to be a great starting pitcher with

980
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 1: the team. It's not like I hope he becomes a

981
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 1: reliever for us one day, like want him to be

982
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 1: a starting pitcher. That means things are working really, really well.

983
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 1: But I think even in a worst case scenario, like

984
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 1: you said, it's one year deal, he does this sick

985
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 1: around or he becomes a very very useful reliever with

986
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: stuff that. I mean, how many guys threw a pitch

987
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 1: over one hundred miles now last year in the Mets bullpen,

988
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,959
Speaker 1: zero whole organization. I'm not gonna pretend like Severrio's gonna

989
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 1: come in if he was in a bullpen scenario and

990
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:00,839
Speaker 1: throw one hundred automatically, but he probably throw harder than

991
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 1: almost anybody did for the Mets last.

992
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 2: Year, And as bad as last year was, and how

993
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:06,800
Speaker 2: much he was on and off the shelf with injuries,

994
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:08,359
Speaker 2: and how ineffective he was for most of the season.

995
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 2: When he came back it was the last couple of

996
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:11,919
Speaker 2: starts September, he was gassing up to ninety seven again.

997
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 2: So even if he just has that, like I don't know,

998
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 2: like for one year, thirteen million dollars likely, I really

999
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 2: can't find many more better lottery tickets on the market

1000
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 2: and we're starting to see how much money other pitchers

1001
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 2: are going for, Like this is just seems like a

1002
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 2: no brand, the guy still twenty nine years old, and

1003
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:27,320
Speaker 2: like I'm sure that there was even a part of

1004
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 2: it that was like, we don't even want to sign

1005
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 2: to your contract for Luis Everino's people, because we're like,

1006
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 2: we want to see how quickly we can get back

1007
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 2: on the market and hope that we're good.

1008
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 1: People.

1009
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,839
Speaker 2: Remember a couple of years ago, guys like Carlos Rodon

1010
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 2: and Kevin Gassman whose careers were like Robbie Ray Cariz.

1011
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 1: People thought these guys' careers were literally over. They changed

1012
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 1: teams and had one good season and then everything went ballistic.

1013
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 1: Carlos Rodon was like an afterthought for the White Sox,

1014
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: wound up signing the one year deal for the Giants

1015
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 1: because no one trust him. Yankees game over one hundred

1016
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,800
Speaker 1: million dollars. Kevin Gasman was pitching what he was non tendered,

1017
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 1: Yes exactly, Kevin Gasman was pitching out. He was dfaid twice.

1018
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 2: He was he was dfa by the Orioles, and the

1019
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 2: Braids picked him up, dfae him, and then the Reds

1020
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:05,760
Speaker 2: picked him up and got and like just didn't resign

1021
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 2: him to a contract. He was pitching out of a

1022
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 2: bullpen for the Reds and the brazier period of the time,

1023
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 2: went to the Giants for one year, and now he

1024
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 2: is one of the best pitchers in baseball.

1025
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 1: Like it happens very quickly with pitching. And I'm sure

1026
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 1: all of those contracts there are a lot of people

1027
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 1: in their fan base being like this is ridiculous. This

1028
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 1: guy sucks.

1029
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 2: Like I know, he's terrible, Like look at his career,

1030
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 2: ra look how bad he was last year. He's awful,

1031
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 2: but just not how pitching works. In the fact that

1032
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 2: Saverrino still has two plus grades on his two best pitches,

1033
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:28,359
Speaker 2: and he's shown a willingness to learn a new pitch

1034
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 2: and tried to develop another one and his change up

1035
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 2: in his color, there's a lot of good stuff to

1036
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 2: work with here.

1037
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 1: And I love this move. I was floored when the

1038
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 1: Mets signed this. This is probably like one of my

1039
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 1: favorite contracts had been given out so far this free

1040
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: agency period. It's super funny how people will do like

1041
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: the revisionary revisionists revisionist history with like if a pitcher

1042
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 1: was bad, like let's say in twenty seventeen and had

1043
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 1: like one good year, they'd be like, look at what

1044
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 1: this guy's career ras bad wise for a guy like Sevarino,

1045
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 1: They're like, look at what he did in eighty nine

1046
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 1: innings out of his entire career, and he stinks like

1047
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 1: it just doesn't doesn't really compute necessarily when you think

1048
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,399
Speaker 1: about it from like a cool, calm, rational standpoint, which

1049
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:09,839
Speaker 1: is why you listen to us, so we can give

1050
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:11,320
Speaker 1: you the good takes and you can know what's actually

1051
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 1: going on over here. Totally.

1052
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 2: We're not telling you guys like twenty seventeen, Severino's back.

1053
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,839
Speaker 2: We're in a's like like Yank Yankees fumbled the bag here.

1054
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 2: We're not saying that it's probably not y No, of

1055
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 2: course not. Yeah, we're not reacting like that, but like

1056
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 2: there is a realistic world where this is like, okay,

1057
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 2: this is just a huge win, Like thirteen million winds

1058
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:29,439
Speaker 2: up being worth like twenty four million, and the mes's

1059
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 2: just got a guy who's going to pitch, Like I

1060
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:32,839
Speaker 2: said before, like one hundred thirty on hundred and fifty

1061
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 2: innings when ra in the threes, like that would be incredible.

1062
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 2: And you know what if we help Severrino get back,

1063
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 2: get his career back on track. Still just twenty nine

1064
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 2: years old.

1065
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 1: Huge one. Ow we almost we were. Birthdays are six

1066
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: days apart. We cant have a birthday week spring ago.

1067
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 1: February twentieth. Yeah, we'll hang out with Louis Severino Challawi.

1068
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:49,919
Speaker 1: So he'll be thirty when the season starts.

1069
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 2: As we also know for pitching, it's not really old

1070
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 2: for pitching, Like pitchers kind of peak between like what

1071
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:55,879
Speaker 2: twenty seven and thirty to four of these days.

1072
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 1: Well, you brought up your guy Gousman. The best year

1073
00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 1: of his career was age thirty after you signed that

1074
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 1: contract with the gy I mean Rodan too, the year

1075
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 1: before he signed the contract with the Yankees. Funny how

1076
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 1: that works.

1077
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 2: But just you just kind of hope and like it's

1078
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 2: also a guy like said, we're gonna he's comfortable in

1079
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 2: this city. We talked about like maybe some pressure leaving

1080
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 2: the Yankees. Just like the same people say the same

1081
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,319
Speaker 2: things to you over and over again, probably feels kind

1082
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 2: of hard to talk to them for a certain period

1083
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:15,879
Speaker 2: of time.

1084
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 1: That Chapman has talked about this.

1085
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:19,879
Speaker 2: Another free agent right now that when he tore his hip,

1086
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 2: Labram and like he was getting the coaching in Oakland,

1087
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 2: like it just wasn't it stopped working, And we know

1088
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 2: upon the other short comings of the organization, and Matt

1089
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 2: also talked about this too. Both of those guys have

1090
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 2: a hole in the exact same part of the strike

1091
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 2: zone like high high, middle, high end, and like with velocity,

1092
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 2: they couldn't hit that pitch for years, and all of

1093
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 2: a sudden they went to different teams like, oh they

1094
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 2: could hit these pitches again.

1095
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:37,879
Speaker 1: That wasn't really that hard.

1096
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 2: You know, maybe someone just talks to Everena about a

1097
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 2: new group for his color, maybe learns a little bit

1098
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 2: of something about his change up, maybe.

1099
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 1: Learns slider, like even just adjusted. Yeah, I'm just saying,

1100
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 1: like even just like a slight ad just like instead

1101
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 1: of here, you go here, like oh wow, now it's

1102
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 1: nasty again. Totally.

1103
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 2: And then there is also something about the way the

1104
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 2: Mets are slow playing this pitching market because we know

1105
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,320
Speaker 2: that the crown jewel of this free agency period is

1106
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 2: Yoshiobiamo though and we're I've got no word of done

1107
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 2: decision there. Shoe Halo Tani right now is the one

1108
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 2: who's kind of like taking all the buzz right now.

1109
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 2: It seems like his like his situation is hitting a

1110
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 2: breaking point when his domino falls and a lot of

1111
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 2: things are going to start to happen. Yes, but I

1112
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 2: think there is something to be said about how great

1113
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:15,839
Speaker 2: the Mets probably felt about the way their young crop

1114
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,919
Speaker 2: of minor leaguers developed last season. And we heard friend

1115
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 2: of the program met that he was doing a chat

1116
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,479
Speaker 2: for Baseball America people the other day and he talked

1117
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 2: about specifically Christian Scott that like, Christian Scott is someone

1118
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 2: who ascended quickly and like he's got major league pitches,

1119
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 2: and like he's someone who wouldn't he wouldn't met, he said,

1120
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 2: wouldn't be surprising if Christian Scott is a guy that

1121
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 2: like can contribute to the majorleau level next year and

1122
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:36,359
Speaker 2: like can't make a difference, Like can be the guy

1123
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 2: who like jumps into that next echelon from being like

1124
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 2: a prospect being like, oh, this guy is a major

1125
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 2: league pitcher and he's getting better and better and better.

1126
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 2: And I think that is like a testament to the

1127
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 2: mets pitching development. To Jaegers, to Heffner, and the fact

1128
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 2: that like all these guys are getting these pictures together

1129
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 2: and also about Christian Scott like apparently like just like

1130
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 2: Blade Hidwall, like that was the big story of the summer.

1131
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 1: But he also learned all these new pitches he changed.

1132
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 2: He went from a sinker mad he say, check back

1133
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 2: that chat now, but he's just developed this four sceam

1134
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 2: round of nowhere the last few years from being a

1135
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 2: two seamer sinker guy, where if you can change a

1136
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 2: guy's fastball, like that's something that pitchers say, it's like

1137
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 2: one of the hardest things to do your fastball, generally

1138
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 2: your fastball. And we've heard him and Christian Scotts say

1139
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 2: that they now basically redefine their entire repertoires in a

1140
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 2: year with the organization.

1141
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:17,800
Speaker 1: Both got incredible.

1142
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 2: Results while they were doing it while moving up the ladder,

1143
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 2: Like we should have confidence right now where the organization

1144
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 2: is able to do a pitching which is a weird

1145
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:24,919
Speaker 2: thing for Mets fans, and it was hard to trust

1146
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 2: right now we all PTSD from a lifetime of turmoil

1147
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 2: and lack of triumph.

1148
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 1: But isn't it isn't though, Like it's like we have

1149
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 1: like it seems like when we get hot with we

1150
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 1: get hot with hitting, like this recent group of guys

1151
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 1: that have come up, like we've got hot with hitting,

1152
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 1: Pete McNeil, Nimmo like those kind of guys, Alvarez baby

1153
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 1: coming up now too. And then before that it was

1154
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:44,360
Speaker 1: all pitching, Like boy, wish the Mets could have, you know,

1155
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 1: made a hitter in the twenty fifteen sixteen area besides

1156
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 1: Michael Confordo. What that could have really done for that roster.

1157
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 1: But it's like now we're starting to come into a

1158
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 1: spot where like they've got the hitting development down pretty well.

1159
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 1: David surt is bringing in even more of his secrets

1160
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 1: or whatever he knows from the Brewers what's already been

1161
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 1: successful this previous year with the Mets. It's an exciting time.

1162
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 1: It's exciting time and again kind of like you said,

1163
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: like give them benefit of the doubt, like let them

1164
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 1: prove to you that they know what they're or like

1165
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 1: trust that they know what they're doing, rather than being

1166
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: like they have to prove it to me kind of

1167
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 1: thing like let' let's trust, let's see what's going on here.

1168
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,240
Speaker 2: That's that's the theme of this this theme of this podcast,

1169
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 2: like trust before distrust, right than distrust before trust. But

1170
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 2: again if someone distrusts before trust. I don't blame you,

1171
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 2: like we've seen a lot of this organization for our lifetimes.

1172
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 2: I don't blame you with all. I'm just saying that,

1173
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 2: like I don't know, maybe maybe it's okay to love again. Yes,

1174
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 2: so it's always okay, It's always okay.

1175
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 1: It was John Newman. Is that his song love again,

1176
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 1: Love Me Again? Yeah? No, no, yeah, that's all of

1177
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 1: us with the Mets, yes, one hundred percent. Speaking of which,

1178
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:48,320
Speaker 1: we're now going to go ahead and jump forward a

1179
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 1: couple of hours here react to what's going on with

1180
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 1: the draft lottery and what David Stearns had to say

1181
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 1: at the winter meeting. So, uh, sending back off to

1182
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 1: future Mark and James, I was late now, so it's

1183
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:00,840
Speaker 1: about like four hours later. We we are back. We

1184
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 1: now know where the Mets have landed in the draft lottery. Unfortunately,

1185
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 1: it's gonna be at number nineteen because I think technically speaking,

1186
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,439
Speaker 1: right James, that means they came up at number nine

1187
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:10,879
Speaker 1: because they dropped ten spots back.

1188
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, technically speaking, but as we know now, as everyone

1189
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:15,320
Speaker 2: else the internet knows, absolutely no one knew what was

1190
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:16,320
Speaker 2: going out with this lottery.

1191
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,839
Speaker 1: This was chaotic. I knew, I knew, I kind of knew.

1192
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: You made me doubt myself because people on Twitter were

1193
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 1: claiming that the Mets were safe because when the top

1194
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 1: six came up, the Mets were one of the names

1195
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 1: that had not yet been mentioned. And Greg Amscer, to

1196
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 1: his credit, was kind of given an impossible situation of

1197
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 1: they were going so fast there was no time for

1198
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 1: explanation whatsoever. And with the penalties because of the salary

1199
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 1: or the payroll from every team that went over Mets, Yankees,

1200
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:46,320
Speaker 1: and Padres, we started to see some teams that technically

1201
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 1: weren't in the lottery landing inside of the lottery, being

1202
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 1: the Brewers, the Rays, and the Marlins. So I was

1203
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 1: telling you, I was like, once those three teams were there,

1204
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 1: that meant that we weren't in the top six because

1205
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 1: the Mets, Padres, and Yankees were all the teams that

1206
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 1: had the penalties if they did not land inside the

1207
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 1: top six. Complicated stuff. All you guys need to know

1208
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 1: they're ninety. Yeah.

1209
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 2: Also, because those teams in the top six couldn't fall

1210
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 2: further back outside past the teams in the playoffs. But

1211
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 2: the Mets, Padres, and Yankees all could because of their

1212
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:13,320
Speaker 2: penalty is really weird poorly explained. Also just kind of

1213
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 2: like now looking at this and like seeing it like

1214
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 2: get born out kind of stinks for a lot of

1215
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 2: these bad teams like Yoklands just had two of the

1216
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 2: worst seasons what like ever, and they just saw two

1217
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 2: teams who had records over five hundred they're pick They're

1218
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 2: gonna pick ahead of them. And now because they were

1219
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:28,840
Speaker 2: selecting the back to back lotteries, now next year they

1220
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:29,839
Speaker 2: can't be in the lottery again.

1221
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 1: That's awful. Yeah, No, it does sucker a team like days,

1222
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 1: but it does incentivize the fact that you try to

1223
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:36,840
Speaker 1: be trying to win. You gotta try to win because

1224
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 1: there are no guarantees guarantees in losing. Like the Reds

1225
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:41,439
Speaker 1: almost made the playoffs last year, they got the number

1226
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 1: two pick. Yeah, flip side of that team like the Nationals,

1227
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 1: who definitely didn't try to lose last year, definitely tried

1228
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 1: to win. Something that I'm gonna have to deal with

1229
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 1: on Wednesday night when I have to pay you out

1230
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,839
Speaker 1: for our famous stake bet Nationals verse is what bad

1231
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:56,359
Speaker 1: bet that was by me? But since they got picked

1232
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 1: the lottery, like high last year or the year before

1233
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:00,879
Speaker 1: that as well. This year they were like locked into

1234
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 1: the tenth pick.

1235
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, even though they had the fifth worst record, they

1236
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 2: didn't even get that's like, that's all that's But I

1237
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 2: think that was mostly because they're one of the teams

1238
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 2: that like gives money and revenue sharing rather than gets it,

1239
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 2: which is and.

1240
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 1: It has to do with just the fact that they've

1241
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:14,359
Speaker 1: been bad for a couple of years and they now

1242
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 1: instituted that new rule with the new CBA about the lottery.

1243
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 1: That was like a whole thing because I mean, theoretically,

1244
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 1: unlike the NBA, in the NFL and stuff like that,

1245
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:27,359
Speaker 1: like tanking in baseball doesn't really matter for draft picks,

1246
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:31,240
Speaker 1: but it does. It's like it's in practice the idea

1247
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 1: makes sense, but in reality, like the baseball draft or

1248
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 1: the way the MB draft works is like it is

1249
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 1: surely talent scouting and evaluation. Like if you can do that, well,

1250
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 1: it doesn't really matter where your pick is. You can

1251
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 1: crush the draft.

1252
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 2: Yes, I'll push back on you a little bit for that,

1253
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:46,919
Speaker 2: because when you do move back, like the Mets aren't

1254
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 2: moving back in this draft, they're gonna lose like probably

1255
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:51,319
Speaker 2: almost three million dollars in their slot value. That's where

1256
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 2: it hurts. So you're losing and your slot value becomes

1257
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 2: like what you have is your bonus pool for the

1258
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 2: entire draft. And we saw last year the Mets do

1259
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:58,760
Speaker 2: a really good job of kind of gaming their pool

1260
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 2: and even a guy that got and trade the deadline,

1261
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 2: Ryan Clifford.

1262
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 1: Where the Astros game, they're pool.

1263
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 2: Whereas if you know someone has extra talent, like whether

1264
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 2: it be a prep player, high schooler who has a

1265
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 2: commitment to college who knows is gonna take a lot

1266
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 2: of money to learn, most teams will just start not

1267
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 2: to draft them and they'll drop and drop and drop

1268
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 2: and drop. And that's how you can get good players

1269
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 2: like that, Like this year, the Mets player Colin Halket

1270
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:19,800
Speaker 2: took in the first round was someone who people considered

1271
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 2: something like a top ten talent but kind of dropping

1272
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 2: the draft because he was gonna take a lot of

1273
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 2: pool money to sign Ryan Clifford. A new prospect for

1274
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:27,919
Speaker 2: his baseman was someone who was considered the first second

1275
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 2: round talent was committed to Vanderbilt. The Astros basically just

1276
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 2: threw their first nine picks in the air at the

1277
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:35,800
Speaker 2: wind and then gave him a second round like high second,

1278
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:37,839
Speaker 2: late first like slot value where he was taken. That's

1279
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 2: how they got him to go past school and come

1280
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 2: to the professionals originally. So it does matter, but also

1281
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 2: doesn't matter, but also really doesn't matter. Like I don't know,

1282
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 2: like we have nineteenth pick in the draft. Just quickly

1283
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 2: going through a draft history, the Mets actually had the

1284
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,879
Speaker 2: nineteenth overall pick in twenty eighteen, twenty sixteen, or twenty

1285
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 2: twenty and twenty eighteen.

1286
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 1: I think that was it.

1287
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 2: One of those picks p Kr Armstrong who looks like

1288
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 2: he could be a decent player who we've traded. Other

1289
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 2: one was Justin Dunne, who looked like he could be

1290
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 2: decent player for a little while and not so much.

1291
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:07,280
Speaker 1: Nolan Gorman was was a nineteenth overall pick in twenty eighteen.

1292
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 2: Marco Gonzalez, Michael Wakin, Shelby Miller, all in a five

1293
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:12,320
Speaker 2: year stretch for the Cardinals, were all the nineteenth overall

1294
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 2: pick all major league caliber pitchers.

1295
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 1: So it means a lot. It was gonna be a

1296
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 1: big deal for the last half hour, but also like

1297
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 1: it's okay, yeah, I don't think this is anything that

1298
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 1: anybody should be losing sleepover. I mean, like Mike Trout

1299
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 1: was like a twenty fourth overall pick, Aaron Judge was

1300
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 1: a late first round pick. I believe, like there's just

1301
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 1: plenty of things that show like, yes, obviously you would

1302
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 1: prefer to be higher up in the draft if given

1303
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 1: that opportunity, but also in the same regard, like there

1304
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 1: are plenty of good players that have been picked way

1305
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 1: later in drafts.

1306
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 2: Shout out Mike Piazza being the last pick. Yeah, Pilanzo

1307
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 2: second round pick as well. But it was just so

1308
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:44,800
Speaker 2: funny during the process that, like especially the Mets Yankees

1309
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 2: creators on Twitter, because everyone just wants to like tweet

1310
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 2: first rather than know what's going on.

1311
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 1: Everyone's tweeting like, oh my god, we got the Yankees.

1312
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 2: Fan thought they were gonna win the lottery even though

1313
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 2: they're picking behind the Astros, which is awesome, but yeah,

1314
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 2: it was just funny, like like a lot of the

1315
00:48:57,920 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 2: Met's people were like, oh my god, we did it,

1316
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 2: we did it. It was like, no, a lot of

1317
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 2: tweeks were the leading in the right when the draft

1318
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 2: liar was coming out, just because sometimes he got a wait,

1319
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 2: doesn't being first, doesn't matter who cares.

1320
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:07,840
Speaker 1: So it's we're on Twilter. We're just hanging out. I

1321
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 1: will say, like even in a draft that isn't as

1322
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 1: important as other sports. The lotteries are electric. Yeah, they're fine.

1323
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 1: I love just see seeing seeing things come out. Even

1324
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:18,399
Speaker 1: though it was Brad Paisley hosting, which was bizarre, even

1325
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:20,800
Speaker 1: it was a fever dream. He's he's from West Virginia,

1326
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 1: he's a country guy, and he's a Dodgers fan. What

1327
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 1: is that?

1328
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 2: He just probably lives in Nashville as a country guy.

1329
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 2: Just seeing like a cowboy hat on network, I was like,

1330
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 2: what what, What's what's happening here? And even like botched

1331
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 2: one of the one of the envelopes, which was really

1332
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 2: funny too. He's holding backwards like oh my bad. It's like,

1333
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:34,239
Speaker 2: all right, well, Brad Bay is having a good time.

1334
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 2: Say he's a baseball fan though, so I guess that's fun.

1335
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 2: We're in Nashville, get the local flavor. But oh Nashville.

1336
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 2: I didn't think about that. That's definitely why he's there,

1337
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 2: like op the opry Lands Hotel or whatever. Yeah, but

1338
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 2: other stuff that's been going on, I will send you

1339
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 2: guys that with just general winter meeting stuff. David Stearns

1340
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 2: has spoken to the media each of the last two days,

1341
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:53,840
Speaker 2: and like these times when he speaks, it's definitely like

1342
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 2: a whole lot of GM talk, but there's definitely like

1343
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 2: bits and pieces of things to Paul where it's like

1344
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 2: you can understand it. The biggest thing that I Paul again,

1345
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 2: we talked about beginning the episodes four hours later, so

1346
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:03,800
Speaker 2: it feels like a whole nother episode.

1347
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 1: It it seems like me and David start up like

1348
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 1: hive mind. He says things I say all the time.

1349
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 1: It's bizarre.

1350
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:11,360
Speaker 2: They asked him about how like the bullpen is very

1351
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:12,879
Speaker 2: open right now. It's like, yeah, the bullpen is very open,

1352
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 2: but I don't think that's a bad thing.

1353
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 1: He goes. Bullpens are very volatile.

1354
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 2: The group are gonna rely in opening days different than

1355
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:19,320
Speaker 2: the group will rely on July first, and that'll be

1356
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 2: different than July. June first, that'll be different in July first,

1357
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:24,320
Speaker 2: that'll be different than August first. These groups tend to

1358
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 2: change as the year to go on. I was like, yeah,

1359
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 2: you're right.

1360
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:29,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm in group chats with you, and I

1361
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 1: see you like common people down and tell them them

1362
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 1: like it's just like, this is what we gotta do,

1363
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:34,880
Speaker 1: this is what we're thinking. And to hear him just

1364
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 1: repeat your words essentially almost made him like, I am

1365
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 1: starting to wonder. I've never seen you and David Sertin's

1366
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:41,840
Speaker 1: in the same room at the same time. So just

1367
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 1: until we get that interview, I'm not gonna believe that

1368
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 1: you're not different people. Plug's name is David.

1369
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 2: But he also just said that, like, in terms of

1370
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 2: bullpen acquisition, I think everyone's like waiting for a big

1371
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 2: free agent bullpen signing, but he like definitely said there's

1372
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 2: a lot of ways to acquire bullpen pieces, and I

1373
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 2: think it's a good thing to note that, like one

1374
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 2: of the hottest names in the bullpen market right now, Stevenson,

1375
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 2: who by all accounts was probably the best reliever in

1376
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:05,399
Speaker 2: baseball last year from July first the end of the year,

1377
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:07,839
Speaker 2: came in an early season trade to the Tampa Bay Race,

1378
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 2: someone who's been on the scrap heap for years and

1379
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 2: years and years. So that's how you get the best relievers.

1380
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:15,280
Speaker 2: And the fact that David Searns was like these are volatile,

1381
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 2: like we if we sign a guy for big money

1382
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 2: like that is a genuine risk, like we don't know

1383
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 2: how how likely we are to do that, Like that's

1384
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:23,799
Speaker 2: that's a cool thing. And then I think Dsha asked him,

1385
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 2: does your role feel different now that like you're operating

1386
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 2: as like the president of this big market team New York,

1387
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 2: like all the eyes on you, like all these your

1388
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 2: poys around you, and he was like, yeah, definitely, Like

1389
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:34,320
Speaker 2: so can did it ever started laughing, He was like

1390
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 2: it is. It feels a lot different.

1391
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, like it should feel different that he

1392
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 1: got an upgrade from where he was in Milwaukee, like

1393
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 1: he was the man there, but like he is literally

1394
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:45,880
Speaker 1: like the man here, like everyone answers to David Stearns.

1395
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:48,800
Speaker 1: Whatever he wants or says goes. It's got to be

1396
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 1: pretty cool, especially again for the team that he grew

1397
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:52,439
Speaker 1: up rooting for. I thought it was also worth noting

1398
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 1: too that they said they're looking for starting outfield as well.

1399
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,800
Speaker 1: We know that Mauricio can play second and theoretically McNeil

1400
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 1: can go to the outfield, but that still leaves quiet

1401
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:02,320
Speaker 1: Schmark was starring Mortey in his health. DJ Stewart, we

1402
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:04,279
Speaker 1: don't know what's going on there, probably don't want to

1403
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:07,320
Speaker 1: go in with him being the everyday outfielder, we're in

1404
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:09,720
Speaker 1: a platoon role if anything, or just you know, spots

1405
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 1: start here and there. But it was worth noting that

1406
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 1: he did say they are looking for starting outfield too,

1407
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:15,840
Speaker 1: and that's something to keep an eye out for.

1408
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 2: There are some names, yes, and he also said that

1409
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 2: that our outfielder could be someone who's offensively focused or

1410
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 2: could be defensively focused, which basically means like we're gonna

1411
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:25,719
Speaker 2: just take a look at everybody see who fits like

1412
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 2: what we want.

1413
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 1: The Mets have been linked to some outfielders.

1414
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 2: You guys know by now we're not talking about players

1415
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:32,720
Speaker 2: that aren't the Mets on this podcast, So sorry about that. Gotcha,

1416
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 2: goot pall g in real quick. He did say though,

1417
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:36,839
Speaker 2: that he sees Jeff McNeil primarily as there as.

1418
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 1: The second basement.

1419
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 2: He said, interesting, it would be stupid to pigeonhole him,

1420
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 2: which I mean, of course, you have a baseball player

1421
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 2: can do different things, you want to do different things.

1422
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 2: But he did say, like we see him primarily as

1423
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 2: a second basement, which again does make you think that, yes,

1424
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 2: he could be the outfielder. But this is also the

1425
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 2: winter meetings, Like you can say things then like, oh

1426
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 2: my god, this second basement just became available for nothing.

1427
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna bring in the second basement.

1428
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 2: I know I have this guy can play the outfield,

1429
00:52:57,960 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 2: that he's gonna play the outfield, Like that's something that

1430
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 2: we lose the two before the Dodgers saying that they

1431
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:03,919
Speaker 2: have a guy who's gonna be the full time second

1432
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:05,879
Speaker 2: basement because they have other guys who play second base

1433
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:07,920
Speaker 2: in that ross. Yes, and then again this is just

1434
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 2: like I just thought of this, Like but just now

1435
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 2: I was listening to Rats and Barrel's podcast.

1436
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:12,359
Speaker 1: They mentioned I was like, oh, that's a good point.

1437
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:15,399
Speaker 2: Like if they say that Mookie Besty every day second basement,

1438
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 2: they I'm sure Gavin luck is not gonna be in

1439
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:17,759
Speaker 2: their team next year.

1440
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 1: They said Gavin Loucks gonna play short stop. To be fair,

1441
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 1: that's great, but they said they were looking for an

1442
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 1: upgrade shorts time. This is this is the it's all

1443
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:27,319
Speaker 1: like that's all moving around, but nothing's really happening. Guy,

1444
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 1: like get these bits and pieces, like to find the hints.

1445
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 1: It's fun to theorize and hypothesize and try and guests

1446
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:36,319
Speaker 1: like what's going on? What they're gonna do what everybody does.

1447
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 1: But like, at the end of the day, you're just

1448
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 1: gonna get exhausted, you're gonna get tired, you're gonna get mad,

1449
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 1: you're gonna get frustrated because you're not gonna figure it out.

1450
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 1: I mean, Dave Roberts talked about that. They spoke to

1451
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 1: show Heo Tani then got a text instantly and ran

1452
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:49,319
Speaker 1: away from everybody. So it's like, you don't know what's

1453
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:52,240
Speaker 1: going on at any moment. Things can change like crazy.

1454
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 1: We'll give you as much information as we always can,

1455
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 1: as we always do, but it's just like, at the

1456
00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:59,240
Speaker 1: end of the day, let's just wait and see what happens.

1457
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:01,480
Speaker 2: As boring as that is, Yeah, when that happened, Brandon

1458
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 2: Gomes had a Dodger GM had media availability.

1459
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 1: He was like, what do you say? He looked flustered.

1460
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 1: I was like, that's kind hilarious, like the secret yeah,

1461
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 1: oh god.

1462
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 2: But then the other thing that made big rounds on

1463
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 2: Twitter that Stern said is that the Mets are fine

1464
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 2: with their in house oppos at the third base and

1465
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 2: said we might not even go to the opening day

1466
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 2: knowing who to start there is, so we might not

1467
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 2: really ever know Star theres and that's kind of the

1468
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 2: way a lot of his teams went in Milwaukee for

1469
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 2: a long time, whereas like these positions are going to

1470
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 2: be fluid us the year goes on.

1471
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:29,400
Speaker 1: Third base. Yeah, especially their base. You're hot, you're going

1472
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:29,719
Speaker 1: to be there.

1473
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 2: Know a lot of people in Mets world right now

1474
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:33,279
Speaker 2: aren't really okay with the Mets opposers at the third base.

1475
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 2: But these are two people whose combined ages are less

1476
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:38,279
Speaker 2: than fifty years old. I would just say, definitely give

1477
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 2: them a chance. Even three of them combined for less

1478
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:42,400
Speaker 2: than seventy five with Viento's Mauricio and baby. So just

1479
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 2: give everyone a chance. He said, starts something really nice,

1480
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 2: so I liked about him. Which you think about young players,

1481
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:49,839
Speaker 2: he said, support for them, for organizations to learn about

1482
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:51,799
Speaker 2: their young players. And he said, when you look at

1483
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:54,880
Speaker 2: the composition of winning baseball teams, there's generally a pretty

1484
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 2: good mix of veterans and younger players who can provide

1485
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 2: energy and spontaneity.

1486
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 1: I think we have a good mix like that, yeah,

1487
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 1: one hundred percent. I mean, like you said, the young guys,

1488
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 1: give them a chance. There. We've seen so many good

1489
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 1: things out of all them, like Mauricio has done some

1490
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 1: crazy stuff all athletically. Viano's only hit home runs against

1491
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 1: good pitchers, the elite pitchers in Major League Baseball last year,

1492
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:15,719
Speaker 1: and Brett Baidy like start off the year pretty hot,

1493
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 1: swinging the bat really well and has shown some flashes

1494
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 1: here and there, like a great play, discipline, good pop

1495
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 1: in the bat. So there's no reason to overreact and

1496
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 1: try and be like we need to go get let's

1497
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:27,840
Speaker 1: just say a Matt Chapman per se and playing me

1498
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 1: at third base right now, when like, there are plenty

1499
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 1: of in house options that we expect will be able

1500
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:35,279
Speaker 1: to play at a high level. Yeah, and I also

1501
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 1: expect that with a new coaching staff, you could probably

1502
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 1: find new ways to develop the players who may be

1503
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 1: seemed stuck a year ago, whether it be offensively or defensively.

1504
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 2: I think that'll help every guy in this team. And

1505
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 2: then just a couple more things wrap up what he

1506
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 2: was saying that a lot of Brewers type talk, which

1507
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 2: I know some people are upset about, but I think

1508
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 2: you and I are kind of excited about. Where he

1509
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 2: was like, they were like, what do you think about

1510
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:56,359
Speaker 2: the pitching staff? And he was like, you can put

1511
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:58,839
Speaker 2: together a competitive pitching staff in a variety of ways.

1512
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 2: And he was like super noncom about top end guys,

1513
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:03,840
Speaker 2: mid end guys, how many more guys they're going to acquire.

1514
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 2: He wasn't even committed on how many top end guys

1515
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 2: you thought existed in the market right now, which I love.

1516
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:10,839
Speaker 1: Don't say anything, don't tell you. That's like that's something

1517
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 1: we've spoke about, where like we love how we kind

1518
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 1: of don't know that much about what's going on. Like

1519
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 1: it's pretty cool considering like there are a lot of

1520
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:20,759
Speaker 1: like needs that the Mets could address, and I don't

1521
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:22,400
Speaker 1: think that they're not going to. But it's just like

1522
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 1: he's keeping it very hush hush, like not showing my hand.

1523
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:25,879
Speaker 1: Try and figure out what I'm thinking.

1524
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 2: You can you don't know, no totally, And I just

1525
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, like this is kind of the way

1526
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 2: you should build a pitching staff. I think maybe like

1527
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:34,920
Speaker 2: keep an open mind and like see what you get

1528
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:36,960
Speaker 2: and where you get it. Like we told you guys

1529
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:39,759
Speaker 2: months ago when we officially hired David Stearns, like the

1530
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 2: Brewers went to a almost world series. Their pitching staff

1531
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 2: was headlined by I think Wade Miley and uliast just scene.

1532
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:49,759
Speaker 2: So yeah, it might not look like look good, but

1533
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:52,319
Speaker 2: like sometimes just something things just happened well, and that's

1534
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:54,240
Speaker 2: kind of the way it is. Also, would be remiss

1535
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:57,040
Speaker 2: if we went this entire podcast without at least mentioning

1536
00:56:57,360 --> 00:56:59,279
Speaker 2: that we probably Jose Lacey's too minor league deal.

1537
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:01,240
Speaker 1: Yes, Joey Wendel insurance.

1538
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 2: Basically the same guy just tattooed like like just just

1539
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 2: make put him in the mirror, made another copy of him.

1540
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:08,760
Speaker 2: So those guys are going to compete for that backup

1541
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:12,200
Speaker 2: and field of role seems like. And uh yeah, and

1542
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:15,239
Speaker 2: then otherwise more more pitching stuff. I'm seeing you really

1543
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 2: not to me, but yeah, he Devastates did say that.

1544
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 2: He did say, like again, people tried to keep keep

1545
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 2: getting him with stuff about Pee Alonzo, and he said, Pizza,

1546
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 2: good baseball player and expect him to be our first

1547
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 2: basement opening day like that, but like that GM talk,

1548
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 2: he's a good baseball player.

1549
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 1: Expect me to be here. Yeah, me too, I'd be smart.

1550
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 1: He's on the team. I want him here, we all

1551
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 1: want him here. Yeah.

1552
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 2: And then someone asked about if they were actually like

1553
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 2: specifically looking for velocity, and he goes, Flosi's part of

1554
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 2: the package was not the total paction. He goes, My

1555
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 2: desires have a diversity of looks and stuff out of

1556
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:43,920
Speaker 2: the pen, which is also.

1557
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 1: They can say all the time, which is really hilarious.

1558
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 1: I can't wait to talk to him. I want to

1559
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 1: talk to him so bad, I can't wait. And then

1560
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:50,439
Speaker 1: it'll be a lot of fun.

1561
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 2: He was askedpecifically about swing men, guys who can throw

1562
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 2: multiple innings out of the pen. He said yes again

1563
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 2: to that I used to love that. It's not a big,

1564
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 2: big take of the Messed Up podcast, and also said

1565
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 2: that they will One of the few players he did

1566
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:04,439
Speaker 2: mention by name is that they will explore Tyler McGill

1567
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 2: as a starter.

1568
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 1: Continue to that's very encouraging that they're they're just viewing

1569
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:10,440
Speaker 1: him as like, let's try and keep him as a

1570
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 1: starter if we can, which is something that we've seen

1571
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 1: to be successful with in the past. I mean, listen,

1572
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 1: there's a lot of moves that are still to be

1573
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 1: made for this Mets team. The winter meetings are still

1574
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 1: going on. I don't know when they officially end tomorrow,

1575
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 1: I think, right, you guys, listen to the next day.

1576
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, the Rule five draft is coming up.

1577
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 1: There's definitely some interesting players there, Yeah, Wednesday, some interesting

1578
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 1: players there as Lacey. That's the guy I got my

1579
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 1: my my finger watching because he was a top I

1580
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:34,440
Speaker 1: think top five, top ten pick in the draft a

1581
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 1: couple of years ago, back in the COVID draft out

1582
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 1: of tech A and m S. Had some injury concerns

1583
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:41,720
Speaker 1: and some just kind of overall quality concerns of how

1584
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:45,440
Speaker 1: well he's played. But he has some absolutely crazy stuff

1585
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 1: and he has not protected so someone you could maybe

1586
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 1: see a team pick up and he would have to

1587
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 1: be on the major league roster or they send him back.

1588
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 1: But all in all, rumor Mill's relatively been slow. There

1589
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 1: hasn't been much going on besides the Braves bringing in

1590
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 1: a familiar face, which we'll talk about for a minute here.

1591
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 1: James Jared Kelviner forgot about that. Oh yeah, hapen, Yeah,

1592
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 1: guess two minutes on that. I mean, honestly, just like

1593
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 1: it stinks to say out loud, but.

1594
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 2: It's just like it's just a good move for him

1595
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 2: and them, Like, yeah, the managers were just dying to

1596
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:14,960
Speaker 2: get rid of money for whatever reason, and I don't

1597
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:16,439
Speaker 2: know they did. They got rid of an Evan White

1598
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 2: contract that ended up being really bad one. They gave

1599
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:20,960
Speaker 2: him a extension before he ever played the Mijor League game,

1600
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:23,640
Speaker 2: and that was a mistake. But shallow Columbus, Ohio wherever

1601
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:25,920
Speaker 2: wh I was from, and mark who Gonzalez, who's just

1602
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 2: evolved from being like a good inning z to a

1603
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 2: bad innings Either I need this is a good chance

1604
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 2: at Gonzalez, the praise or the report won't be on

1605
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 2: their their opening day rosters. So the praise basically just

1606
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 2: took on like twenty million dollars in salary this year

1607
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:39,200
Speaker 2: in about forty million dollars in total salary to get

1608
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:41,080
Speaker 2: it take a shot on Jared Kelnick And for them,

1609
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 2: they're just like they're looking for someone to replace, to

1610
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:47,000
Speaker 2: replace Eddi rizzario own platoon in left field with von

1611
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 2: grisam No and left fielders. So it's also like I

1612
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:51,400
Speaker 2: think it's probably again, it's probably a good thing for

1613
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:53,520
Speaker 2: Jared Kelnck mentally to go from being the guy who's

1614
00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 2: like supposed to save an organization to being like, even

1615
00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 2: if I ate, even if I play the best I

1616
00:59:58,000 --> 00:59:59,760
Speaker 2: can ever play, I'm not gonna be a top six

1617
00:59:59,840 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 2: hit there in this lineup, so like whatever, and I go,

1618
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 2: of course he get have four years of team control

1619
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 2: in the Atlanta Brands. Like how else would the story

1620
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 2: end for Jared kell Nick.

1621
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 1: Like on the five year anniversary when the Mets traded

1622
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:11,600
Speaker 1: him to the Mariners, he goes to the Braves Division rival.

1623
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:14,720
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, like Jared Kelnick, like we were happy

1624
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 1: with what ended up happening, Like we got it when

1625
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:18,080
Speaker 1: Diaz he's been great, Like we ended up putting that

1626
01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 1: trade one hundred percent, which is kind of crazy. But uh,

1627
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 1: I don't like this chapter of it whatsoever. That we're

1628
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 1: gonna be seeing a lot of Jered Kelnick most likely

1629
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 1: over the next few years.

1630
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:29,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, weirdly, I mean, I am excited for like the

1631
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 2: inevitable ninth ending matchups Diaz and Klnick.

1632
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:34,160
Speaker 1: That's at least can fall. That's gonna be electric, It's

1633
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:34,880
Speaker 1: gonna be super fun.

1634
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:36,960
Speaker 2: But I mean, just like it's also like, I don't know,

1635
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:38,840
Speaker 2: I feel like the Mets are still two linked to

1636
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:41,560
Speaker 2: Jared Kalnick. Usually teams tricks prospects and then they go

1637
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:44,440
Speaker 2: to their third team the second time he's been included

1638
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:46,400
Speaker 2: in this salary dump, and like for some reason, he's

1639
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:48,400
Speaker 2: still like the hottest name and I took advantage of it.

1640
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:49,760
Speaker 2: Of course he did as well, Like we'll get some

1641
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 2: engagement side of tweeting about it, like we're part of

1642
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 2: the problem, hands up on that. But it's like how

1643
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 2: many times do like failed prospects who have like like

1644
01:00:57,640 --> 01:00:59,560
Speaker 2: worth than seven hundred crew ops is through, Like what

1645
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:02,000
Speaker 2: three or four seasons still get this much buzz when

1646
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:03,400
Speaker 2: they get moved. He still has some potential, but like

1647
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:05,480
Speaker 2: also like I'm not gonna go there. I'm just saying,

1648
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:07,120
Speaker 2: like him him doing well now, like if he's like

1649
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:08,760
Speaker 2: a two fifty hit or twenty home runs, like that's

1650
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:09,920
Speaker 2: a that's a major win for.

1651
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 1: That huge win and huge one they give up Jackson

1652
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:14,560
Speaker 1: co Arno, the gig who hasn't thrown, Yeah, the picture

1653
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:15,439
Speaker 1: hasn't thrown is decent.

1654
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:17,280
Speaker 2: He throws like upper nineties two one hundred like, and

1655
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:18,959
Speaker 2: he's a prep arm He's the exact kind of player

1656
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 2: that the Mariners turn to an ace and three years.

1657
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:22,080
Speaker 1: But it's crazy.

1658
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:24,400
Speaker 2: The Mariner is just like, please take twenty million dollars

1659
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:25,920
Speaker 2: off our books and we'll give you someone.

1660
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:27,360
Speaker 1: Who we projected to be like the fourth or fifth

1661
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:30,040
Speaker 1: best hader in our team. Yeah. No, it's definitely interesting

1662
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:33,040
Speaker 1: something we will be talking about all season long. That's

1663
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:35,240
Speaker 1: pretty much it for this episode, guys, Messed Up Podcast.

1664
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:37,400
Speaker 1: Thank you for listening and watching. Make sure you follow

1665
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:39,840
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1666
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1667
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1670
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1671
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Speaker 1: at Traffnick Mark with a C. Thank you guys for listening,

1672
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:56,600
Speaker 1: Thank you for watching, and we'll catch you on the

1673
01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:59,080
Speaker 1: next episode of the Messed Up Podcast. Peace Out, peace out.

1674
01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:00,160
Speaker 1: See you guys next time. Ye