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Speaker 1: Welcome back to a Numbers Game Podcast, Ryan Kurdoski, Happy

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Speaker 1: Memorial Day. I hope you are all having a wonderful

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Speaker 1: Memorial Day, whatever you're doing, having a barbecue or going

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Speaker 1: to the racetrack like my family always did, being degenerates.

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Speaker 1: I'm just joking. We didn't. We weren't that degenerate anyway.

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Speaker 1: I hope you guys have a great Memorial Day. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for listening on this holiday. I am exhausted because

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Speaker 1: I spent up. I was up two nights in a

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Speaker 1: row at three o'clock in the morning each night reading

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Speaker 1: Original Sin President Biden's Decline, It's cover up and his

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Speaker 1: disastrous choice to run again by Jake Tapper and Alex Thompson.

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Speaker 1: It's a good book, really good pick. I mean, it

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Speaker 1: kept me up because it was it wasn't bad. It

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Speaker 1: was actually a patren or. It was quick and there

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Speaker 1: were things that I learned there. And I want to

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Speaker 1: talk about the book in this episode special Memorial the

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Speaker 1: episode maybe you're looking for summer reading. I actually do

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Speaker 1: recommend this spoke to people. I do. I know there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of anger by conservatives around, especially Jake Tapper.

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Speaker 1: And the scene ends coverage over Joe Biden. I understand,

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Speaker 1: and very few people have been as wronged by CNN

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Speaker 1: as I have, and I can still get past it.

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Speaker 1: So you can get past it read this book. Certain

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Speaker 1: things that I think were super interesting in this book

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Speaker 1: that I just I'm kind of blown away from one

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Speaker 1: one of the people involved in Joe Biden's like to

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Speaker 1: make Joe Biden look better and was with Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: frequently to do all of his videos with Steven Spielberg.

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Speaker 1: I never knew that. I did not hear. Maybe it

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Speaker 1: was reported, I don't know, but Steven Spielberg et director Jaws,

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Speaker 1: you know, Stephen Freakin Spielberg was involved in trying to

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Speaker 1: make Joe Biden look better because he couldn't record videos.

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Speaker 1: I found that absolutely fascinating. I also found it fascinating

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Speaker 1: which Democratic politicians would go on record to talk about it.

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Speaker 1: Governor Massachusetts would go sat there and went on record.

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Speaker 1: A senator from Colorado sat there, went on record and said,

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Speaker 1: I knew Joe Biden wasn't well. I think, in my

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Speaker 1: personal opinion, they're underplaying how concerned they actually were. Also

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Speaker 1: super interesting and fascinating part of the book, the Colorado senator.

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Speaker 1: sat there and said, who keeps pushing Joe Biden to

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Speaker 1: that where Biden Biden was doing as president wasn't always

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Speaker 1: in the Joe Biden lexicona what he did policy wise,

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Speaker 1: and a lot of the blame is put on Ron Klein.

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Speaker 1: Ron Klain's main purpose was to do as much as

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Speaker 1: think was fascinating because conservatives what always say, I understand

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Speaker 1: Obvious there was this leaning evolution of Biden to the left,

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Speaker 1: but it was hard left on things like immigration, to

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Speaker 1: It turns out it was Ron and Klean. Super fascinating. Also,

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Speaker 1: But really interesting part of the book was when Biden

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Speaker 1: said in the debate, we defeated medicaire the famous line, right.

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Speaker 1: great because I've never actually heard what the people in

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Speaker 1: The other thing that I wanted, I thought was highlighted,

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Speaker 1: rest of it. John Fetterman gets up and starts screaming

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Speaker 1: And the relationship between Kamala and Joe is so deep

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Speaker 1: I was stunned. The book has a lot. The authors

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of questions the authors should answer. Luckily

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Speaker 1: for us, one of the two authors, Alex Thompson, a

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Speaker 1: very very good reporter who reported on Biden's health and

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Speaker 1: me today. So coming up next is author of the

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Speaker 1: book Original Sin, Alex Thompson. I am one of only

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Speaker 1: author of the book Original Sin, President Biden's decline, It's

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Speaker 1: cover up, and his disastrous choice to run for president again.

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Speaker 1: Right here, Alex, you ruin my sleep. I was up

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Speaker 1: well written, compelling, even sympathetic book. At times, it really

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Speaker 1: was very good. Thank you so, and I know that

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Speaker 1: conservative media is definitely having its moment with you guys,

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Speaker 1: reach out to the publisher, you the publisher asked, who

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Speaker 1: So there is Joe Biden, Donald Trump have something very

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Speaker 1: they have accomplished is in defiance of those forces. Can

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Speaker 1: you describe the ethos, because Biden almost is like a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we even call it became a Biden theology, and

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Speaker 3: I'd say the first commandment of that theology is that

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Speaker 2: That Jill is like a very warm and nice person, and.

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Speaker 3: Uh and and they repeat these things as if they

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Speaker 1: And don't call people fat, which Joe did at the

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Speaker 3: But but the Biden press team insisted to us that

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Speaker 1: So I think it's on camera.

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Speaker 3: I think I don't remember what their spin was. I

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Speaker 3: But yes, the rule, the other Biden rule of don't

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Speaker 1: So the evolution of Jill Biden in your book is

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Speaker 1: that Jill did not like being a politician's wife, or

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Speaker 1: she wasn't a natural, She wasn't she didn't because she worked.

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Speaker 1: I did not know that she was a professor or

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Speaker 1: even while she was second Lady, and she all of

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Speaker 3: Some people, and I guess there's no one clean answer,

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Speaker 3: according to people that i've that have talked to her,

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Speaker 3: She ran a disastrous twenty twenty presidential campaign despite massive

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Speaker 1: Way, and Gavin Newsom didn't like her a lot of people.

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Speaker 1: in the campaign was Steven Spielberg. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: that was reported before, you guys, I never knew that before.

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Speaker 1: Spielberg was cutting videos for Biden. So he had one

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Speaker 1: on one time, significant one on one time with Joe Biden.

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Speaker 1: Did anyone from his camp ever say something like George

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Speaker 1: Clooney did.

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Speaker 3: Not that I'm aware of, and we would have obviously

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Speaker 3: put in the book if that was the case. But yes,

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Speaker 3: you know they were trying because and we talked about

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Speaker 3: this before, you know, like the Biden struggled with taped

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Speaker 3: remarks and that's why they had to do all the

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Speaker 3: jump cuts and everything right, and so you know, it

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Speaker 3: got to the point of in some ways you could

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Speaker 3: look at it like from the outset and you're like

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Speaker 3: it got to the point when they were so desperate

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Speaker 3: for him to improve that they had to bring in

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Speaker 3: Steven Spielberg as a coach.

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Speaker 1: Right, right. And I want to ask something about the

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Speaker 1: media though, because obviously this is the for conservatives. The

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Speaker 1: media angle is the angle because it was so obvious

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Speaker 1: to conservatives, and you were a great reporting at it early.

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Speaker 1: So this is not anything on you. But like Joe Scarborough,

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Speaker 1: I know you were on a show I think yesterday

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Speaker 1: the day before he'd I didn't just say Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: is smart. He said he's the best he's ever been

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Speaker 1: at eighty years old. Eighty one years old. That's not

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Speaker 1: true of anybody. Like, it's just not true of anybody.

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Speaker 1: You had the guy from the Atlantic who said it's

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Speaker 1: a smear and a lie. Is there. I know that

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Speaker 1: the media leans left, and I know that the media

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Speaker 1: does even when they get the Iraq War wrong, or

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Speaker 1: the financial crisis wrong, or these big, big, big stories

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Speaker 1: like hit have egg on their face. I think this

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Speaker 1: time is different than those times like the Iraq war

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Speaker 1: like the financial crisis, because the number one I guess

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Speaker 1: victims of getting it wrong on victims, But the people

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Speaker 1: who felt the hurt from getting it wrong were Democrats.

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Speaker 1: When I feel like when Republicans are the ones hurt

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Speaker 1: from a Median Ara getting it wrong, or small town

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Speaker 1: America or wherever, it doesn't matter as much to them.

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Speaker 1: And that's something that is completely off the mark.

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Speaker 2: So you think that the media doesn't feel as guilty, they.

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Speaker 1: Think more guilty now than they would.

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Speaker 2: Oh oh, because they didn't when.

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Speaker 1: The Iraq War happened and everyone got it completely wrong.

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Speaker 1: No one quit their job and said, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: I can't believe I'm such a bad reporter. This one

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Speaker 1: there at least in there and saying, wow, we have

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Speaker 1: to have a culpability moment, and they haven't, despite losing

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Speaker 1: support in the public for a very long time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So what's the question exactly?

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Speaker 1: So the question is is that is that is my

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Speaker 1: assumption anywhere close to the mark, is that the people

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Speaker 1: in the media are having a come to Jesus moment

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Speaker 1: in some capacity because their readership leans left, their friends

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Speaker 1: lean left, and they all want to know what, why,

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Speaker 1: why they weren't more honest, is it like or and

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Speaker 1: why aren't anyone. I just have a very tough time.

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Speaker 1: I have a very tough time people like in the

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Speaker 1: Atlantic saying it's a smear, it's a lie, and everyone

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Speaker 1: in the media just refused to sit there and say

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Speaker 1: what we saw, like they just took the White House's word.

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Speaker 1: As as as Carbelanche.

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Speaker 2: That's interesting.

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Speaker 3: I haven't detected a huge I mean I think, you know,

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Speaker 3: I think, uh, you know, I think it's too I

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Speaker 3: haven't detected actually a huge sort of like you know,

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Speaker 3: reckoning or being like I honestly still feel there's like

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Speaker 3: a defensiveness. And I think it's because they can point

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Speaker 3: back and like we were talking about age plenty and like.

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Speaker 3: But the thing is they were often talking about age

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Speaker 3: in a horse race sense, as like oh, the Poles

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Speaker 3: say his age is a liability and then talk about whatever.

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Speaker 3: But like that was so they were like we there

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Speaker 3: was volume, but there wasn't excavation, if that makes sense.

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Speaker 1: So it still hasn't happened.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, I will, you know, for for

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Speaker 3: what it's worth, and I know probably I know some conservatives,

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Speaker 3: a lot of conservatives really don't like Jake Tapper. I

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Speaker 3: wasn't going to bring that up, no, no, no, But I

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Speaker 3: mean my co author, Jake Captor.

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Speaker 2: I think it's to his credit.

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Speaker 3: That he has been like on this issue, I should

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Speaker 3: have done better, and I would.

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Speaker 1: Love to know from Jake. Does he And I'll ask

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Speaker 1: you the same question. Do you read any alternative media?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Of course, like who I just wanted curious.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I listened to may Do, listen to Megan Kelly like

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Speaker 3: fairly often, okay, obviously, like free Press, a free beacon.

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to think.

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Speaker 1: Like twitter Feed.

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Speaker 2: I'm just joking twitter Feed.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I don't know if you consider like

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Speaker 3: even like commentary or like some of those guys or

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Speaker 1: Just I think it's important because people we feel like

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Speaker 1: we're screaming into a void sometimes. So I think for

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Speaker 1: conservitives to even know that you read something is really important.

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Speaker 1: And I think that you're a really good journalist. I'm

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Speaker 1: not blaming, I'm not saying you, but I think that

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Speaker 1: I do feel that my last.

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Speaker 3: They feel disrespected like and then and then like and

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Speaker 3: I can understand how then they're like we were saying

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Speaker 3: that he was having trouble, and then like two mainstream

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Speaker 3: reporters come in and're.

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Speaker 2: Like, well, we wrote a book about it.

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Speaker 3: See, so I can understand like the skepticism. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean I think I think it's like really because

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Speaker 3: the thing is that, like I think the mainstream, some

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Speaker 3: mainstream reporters just do not recognize they're still in sort

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Speaker 3: of denial about the power of alternative and that includes

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Speaker 3: even sort of like you know, somewhat adjacent, which is

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Speaker 3: like flagrant or like you know, obviously Rogan is the

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Speaker 3: other famous be event, you know, Cleovonne and all those

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Speaker 3: ones that.

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Speaker 1: Well establish the media matters because it is a qualifying thing.

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Speaker 1: Oftentimes alternative media just echoes or battles establishing media to themselves.

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Speaker 1: That's why I think it's important that they know you

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Speaker 1: even pay attention to them. So I know you've short

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Speaker 1: on time, so I don't want to charge. There's one

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Speaker 1: last question. I asked my Twitter followers to ask you,

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Speaker 1: what's a question ask you? So this is the one

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Speaker 1: that I got a lot we saw on a press

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Speaker 1: meeting the President Biden received a question ahead of time

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Speaker 1: from Courtney Sorban, was that the standard that he would

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Speaker 1: get questions in the press ahead of time and who

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Speaker 1: was in charge of giving him questions from the press

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Speaker 1: ahead of time?

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Speaker 2: So no, it's not standard.

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Speaker 3: So what we'll tell you what happens is that, but

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Speaker 3: they do, they do decide who gets a question, and

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Speaker 3: then what the White House will do, the Press Office

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Speaker 3: will do is then they'll go to the person, right,

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Speaker 3: and they'll like sort of sidle up and they'll be

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Speaker 3: very friendly and they're like, what are you thinking about asking?

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Speaker 2: What do you think of?

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Speaker 3: You know, and you know, most of the time reporters

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Speaker 3: just like show like a little bit of leg but

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Speaker 3: like not really And I think in that case it

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Speaker 3: was probably just a case where and I don't know,

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Speaker 3: but you know, sometimes I won't take that example out

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Speaker 3: of it. I think sometimes reporters sort of said too much, right,

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Speaker 3: But I think that was the exception to the rule.

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Speaker 1: I think.

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Speaker 3: The bigger you, I think, to your reader's point, though,

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Speaker 3: the bigger problem in my mind was pre selecting which

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Speaker 3: reporters got the questions. And it wasn't like he did

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Speaker 3: a ton anyway, but like I never got a question

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Speaker 3: in four years, really never, And I don't think even

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Speaker 3: I don't think Axios ever got a question, and when

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Speaker 3: I was at Politico, I don't know if Politico ever

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Speaker 3: got a question. So it was the pre selecting of

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Speaker 3: reporters that I mean, they know enough about which reporters

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Speaker 3: care about which issue, right, so they're like, we know

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Speaker 3: this guy's interested in this, and we this is what

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Speaker 3: we want to talk about. Right. So I think that

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Speaker 3: was actually the way that they controlled you know, what

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Speaker 3: he was going to be asked, more so than like

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Speaker 3: the note card thing.

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Speaker 1: Right, Well, Alex, this is the book of the year,

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Speaker 1: right now. Congratulates all the good press you've got to

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Speaker 1: all my listeners. Original Sin is a great It's a

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Speaker 1: great read one to understand the humanity of certain people

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Speaker 1: that seem so distant because they are the president and

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Speaker 1: the president's family, and also to see really what it

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Speaker 1: is like in political circles. The scene of John Fetterman

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Speaker 1: screaming at his fellow senators was like jaw dropping. And

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Speaker 1: I also got the audiobook as well to hear it

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Speaker 1: when I was doing things and Jake Tapper doing voices

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Speaker 1: accents is hilarious. So if you can't actually read and

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Speaker 1: you want to listen to it, his accents of like

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Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders and when I was very very funny.

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Speaker 3: It is a great I haven't listened to the audiobook yet.

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Speaker 3: I had no idea about the accents.

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Speaker 1: Well he does accents for all the people. Oh it's

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Speaker 1: really now, there are times there it's actually like I

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Speaker 1: was like, this is actually really good, and I'm like, whoa,

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Speaker 1: this is a rough New York accent right over here.

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Speaker 1: But it is. It's really really good. Congratulations on it,

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Speaker 1: and I highly recommend it to all my listeners. I

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Speaker 1: think that it's definitely the book of the year so far.

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Speaker 2: That really means a lot. Thank you very much for

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Speaker 2: having me.

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Speaker 1: That was Alex Thompson once again, of the great book

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Speaker 1: Original Sin. I really did like it. I'm not just

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Speaker 1: saying it because he was here, because I don't peddle

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Speaker 1: other people's nonsense besides my own. But it was, it was.

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Speaker 1: It was a really good book, and it really really

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Speaker 1: really went into like the human interactions of senators and

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Speaker 1: stuff like that, and I think he looked he gave

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Speaker 1: us some good tidbits right there of interactions with people,

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Speaker 1: especially on Jill Biden. I think that she's really the

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Speaker 1: lady Macbeth figure in this entire thing. So I want

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Speaker 1: to go into my question and answer. You can ask

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Speaker 1: me a question on basically anything. Email me Ryan at

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Speaker 1: Numbers Game Podcast dot com. That's Ryan at numbers Plural

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Speaker 1: Numbers gamepodcast dot com. Send me a tweet, ask me

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Speaker 1: a question, and I love to answer it. Someone asked

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Speaker 1: me today, have you watched the Nancy Mace footage on

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Speaker 1: the House floor this week? So if you guys do

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Speaker 1: not know, Nancy Mace post a video of herself naked

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Speaker 1: that I think someone else took without her permission, and

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Speaker 1: she put into the Congressional record, which means it's there

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Speaker 1: for like all time. That was wild, and no, I

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Speaker 1: did not watch it. I didn't watch it because I've

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Speaker 1: only met Nancy Mace one time before. It was in

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Speaker 1: a private meeting with people. It wasn't on the record

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Speaker 1: or anything like that. But it was really kind of crazy.

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Speaker 1: And she was there with her then fiance, who I

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Speaker 1: think she has accused of something horrible. I don't want

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Speaker 1: to say that the accusation was. It was some kind

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Speaker 1: of accusation. They have since broken up. And we get

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Speaker 1: into the dinner table and Nancy is like talking a

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Speaker 1: mile a minute and one of her first things that

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Speaker 1: she says is she's like, oh, I'm down to just

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Speaker 1: who worked with her like went like this like like,

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Speaker 1: not a no, I forget there's no camera. He not

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Speaker 1: a no. He was like, she's not down to one

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Speaker 1: glass a day. And then she's introducing her fiance and

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Speaker 1: she's like, I thought that he was wealthy the first

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Speaker 1: time I met him, and turns out that he's broke.

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Speaker 1: And I was like what. I was like, Hi, my

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Speaker 1: name is Ryan. We didn't gotten to that part yet.

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Speaker 1: She was talking a mile a minute, and the context

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Speaker 1: that we had a conversation with was great afterwards, but

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Speaker 1: it was like started at an eleven and it worked

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Speaker 1: its way down from there rather than work its way up.

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Speaker 1: She was perfectly lovely, but very intense, and she seems

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Speaker 1: to go through husband's fiances and staff very very quickly.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what that's all about. I don't know

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Speaker 1: why she seeks this much attention on many things, but

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Speaker 1: she does. And I did not watch her include her

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Speaker 1: naked photos in the congressional record because I have other

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Speaker 1: things to do with my time. Anyway, that's my little

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Speaker 1: Nancy May story. These congressional stories, my political run ends

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Speaker 1: over time are pretty funny. I am like Forrest Gump.

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Speaker 1: I am like a New York version of Forrest Gump.

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Speaker 1: It's a different accent. Well, thank you guys again for

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Speaker 1: listening for this episode. Have a happy Memorial Day. I

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