1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:03,960 Speaker 1: Hey everybody, it's Eli and Diana and we're here today 2 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: to talk about Betty and Barney Hill, very first couples 3 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:12,719 Speaker 1: ever claimed to be abducted by aliens. Aliens, they're here, 4 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: they're watching the governments admitted that UFOs are real. It's 5 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 1: very exciting time for alien lovers out there. And this 6 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:24,080 Speaker 1: is pretty much the origin. This is where it all started. 7 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: So let's get into it. Yeah, Hey, their friends come listen. Well, 8 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 1: Elien and Diana got some stories to tell. There's no 9 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:36,880 Speaker 1: match making, a romantic tips. It's just about pridiculous relationships, 10 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 1: a love. It might be any type of person at all, 11 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 1: and abstract cons at our concrete wall. But if there's 12 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:47,839 Speaker 1: a story where the Second Clans ridiculous role, that's a 13 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 1: production of iHeart Radio. Hi everybody. So before we get 14 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 1: started today, we've got some housekeeping to take care of 15 00:00:55,440 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 1: and we're gonna put ourselves into corrections corner. There's such 16 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 1: a loser. We always ask you to reach out to 17 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 1: us through our email address or on our social media platforms, 18 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 1: and we want you to know that we are totally listening. 19 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:14,039 Speaker 1: And if we say something wrong, if we make a mistake, 20 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:16,199 Speaker 1: we do want to fix that. We want to take 21 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: time to address those missteps, and you guys are awesome 22 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:21,400 Speaker 1: because right away we did get some feedback on one 23 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 1: of our previous episodes. Seems like we got everything. So far, 24 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 1: everybody's been pretty positive, but there is one major thing 25 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 1: that we slipped up on. This was brought to our 26 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 1: attention by loyal listener Bobby Andrews. Glaring mistake. I said 27 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:38,759 Speaker 1: in our Louis the fifteen and Madame Pompadour episode that 28 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:43,320 Speaker 1: Pompadour's mother probably pushed Madame Chateaurou down the stairs like 29 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 1: that bitch and strip tease. Well, guys, I am embarrassed 30 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 1: because it was not stripped tease. It was show girls. 31 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 1: You know. My god, I swear I thought that at 32 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 1: the time, and I wish I just said something, but 33 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 1: I I wasn't confident enough myself, and it's just lack 34 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 1: of research on our Sorry, guys, Sorry for that. Sorry 35 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: Elizabeth Berkeley and Demi Moore and everyone else involved in 36 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: both those projects. My apologies. We respect you all. Definitely 37 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 1: gonna try to to, you know, make sure we don't 38 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: have any more slip ups like that, but please do 39 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 1: reach out if we do. We're more than happy to 40 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: address him here at the beinning of the show, we 41 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 1: put ourselves in corrections corner. All right, I think it's 42 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 1: time to get to the show. Yeah, let's do it. 43 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 1: Betty and Barney Hill were a pretty normal and cool couple. 44 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:28,920 Speaker 1: They got married in May nine sixty. It was a 45 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: second marriage for both of them. They lived in Portsmouth, 46 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:35,639 Speaker 1: New Hampshire. She had a master's degree. She worked as 47 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 1: a social worker and child welfare and he worked for 48 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: the US Postal Service. And they had a docks and 49 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:45,519 Speaker 1: named Delcie. This is what we're here for. Talk about 50 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:48,679 Speaker 1: the dogs. How much do we got on the dog? Um? 51 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 1: Not much, but I did see a picture and he's 52 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 1: incredibly cute of coously exactly. He looked like he might 53 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: have been a little fat, So maybe they were very 54 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 1: indulgent dog parents, which I like, Maybe not too fat, 55 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 1: but they loved the dog. All right. Uh, can we 56 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 1: talk to our you know, our sponsors, our team, our producers, everybody, 57 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 1: and see if we can just shift this whole podcast 58 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: tone to more like the Pets of Couples. I mean, 59 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: that sounds like a totally cool show that a lot 60 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: of people would listen to. Romance is great, but dogs, 61 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: Let's talk about the true relationships that matter, which is 62 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 1: people in their pets, Cabury family or feathery birds. That's true. 63 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 1: So yeah, Betty and Barney, they're super cool, totally normal. 64 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 1: They were very active in their community, supercivic minded. They 65 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: were members of like the Rotary Club and the Forage Club, 66 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: and really active in the Unitarian Church, and very active 67 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 1: in the civil rights movement. Because Betty was white and 68 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 1: Barney was black, and an interracial relationship in nineteen sixties, 69 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 1: pretty unusual. Um. I think the Loving decision that made 70 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: inter racial marriage legal in all fifty states was still 71 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 1: a few years away. Yeah, the Love and case was 72 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 1: by the Supreme Court. That was nineteen sixty seven, and 73 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 1: that said that any laws banning interracial marriage violated the 74 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 1: Fourteenth Amendment. It was no longer allowed for states to 75 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 1: impose laws banning interracial marriage, but not till seven. This 76 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 1: is nineteen sixty So from all reports, they had a 77 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 1: pretty normal, cool life in their community. People were pretty 78 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 1: accepting of them. They didn't seem to have a lot 79 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 1: of trouble with their relationship or anything like that. Um. 80 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: So what brings them to our attention is this incredible story. 81 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 1: So Betty and Barney, just a year after they got married, 82 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:48,280 Speaker 1: wanted to have like a belated honeymoon, and they decided 83 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:51,720 Speaker 1: to take a short road trip to Niagara Falls in Montreal, 84 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 1: and an outdoors dot Org article says that they kind 85 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: of spontaneously decided to go. They didn't really plan it 86 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 1: very well, so they didn't even and stop to withdraw 87 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 1: extra cash. So that meant that by the time they 88 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 1: were heading home, they didn't have enough money for hotels 89 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 1: and stuff, so they decided to just drive straight through 90 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 1: the night. So it's now September nineteenth nine, it's ten 91 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 1: thirty at night, and they're in rural New Hampshire, and 92 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: suddenly Betty sees this strange light in the sky. It's 93 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 1: moving around erratically and it's getting bigger and brighter. So 94 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 1: she goes to Barney. She says, stop the car, stop 95 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: the car. We gotta get a closer look. For some reason, 96 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:33,600 Speaker 1: I don't know, I see swirling lights in the sky, 97 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:36,600 Speaker 1: and to me, I'm not thinking let's get out and 98 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 1: get closer to it. Well, that's that's white people for you, 99 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 1: and they always want to run to the danger. That's true. 100 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:48,599 Speaker 1: But I guess also, at this point, we have seen 101 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 1: no alien abductions, So you know, I see floating lights 102 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: in the sky. I'm thinking aliens. I don't want to 103 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 1: get abducted. But if you don't have that reference point, 104 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 1: maybe maybe it's Santa Claus. Maybe it's you know, something 105 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: else fascinating in the night sky. So they stopped the 106 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 1: car and she walks the dog. She designed Delcie was there. 107 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: I just wanted everyone to know Delcie was there. So 108 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: she takes Delcie out on a walk, and Barney gets 109 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 1: his binoculars out and he looks at it through his binoculars. Yeah, 110 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:24,600 Speaker 1: and he's like, girl, that's the airplane. Come on now, 111 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 1: let's get back in the car. We got to get home. 112 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 1: We got a few hours left to drive. But while 113 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: they're driving, the bright light seemed to be following them 114 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 1: and just getting closer. And Betty looked through the binoculars 115 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 1: and she saw a disc shaped object with a band 116 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: of light around the circumference. I saw described as as 117 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: big as a plane and as flat as a pancake. 118 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:53,279 Speaker 1: Um So she's like, can we look at this again? 119 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 1: They stopped the car again. Barney looks again through his binoculars, 120 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 1: and this time he sees bings looking back at him, 121 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 1: very disconcerting, also through binoculars. No, I don't think so. 122 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 1: Was it like you know, binoculars, perinoculars. They're like, what 123 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 1: is that? There's that strange metal box moving erratically down 124 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 1: the road. It's two two tall pink beings and a 125 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 1: small elongated hot dog looking creature. They know hot dogs, 126 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 1: they just haven't met dogs yet. That would be funny 127 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 1: if they were like he means Kenny as I would 128 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 1: say that they greatly misunderstand biology. If they can't classify 129 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 1: different species like that, well, I don't know what their 130 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 1: science is. Like, probably pretty good if they're coming here. 131 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 1: So Barney sees these beings looking back at him, and 132 00:07:57,480 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: he's now he's bannicking all right now. He says, they're 133 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 1: going to they're gonna capture us. You gotta get back 134 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 1: in the car. He's calling Betty, get back in the cart. 135 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 1: Back in the car. They hear these noises. They said 136 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: it was like a like a microwave oven beeping, and 137 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 1: they start feeling really drowsy. And they hear this beeping again. 138 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 1: And Barney's driving down Route three and they're going eighty 139 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 1: miles an hour. They're they're thirty five miles further down 140 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 1: the road than they thought they were, Yeah, which is weird. 141 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 1: It's so weird. So they were just like, I guess 142 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 1: we were just tired. They get home, they realized it's 143 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: two hours later than it should be, and they can't 144 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 1: account for that time or that thirty five mile stretch 145 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 1: of the road, so neither of them can remember it 146 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 1: at all. They just they thought they were just driving 147 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:43,199 Speaker 1: and like, you know, maybe I'm a little sleepy. I'll 148 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: like catch my eyes, now, open my eyes. But in 149 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 1: that moment, time was lost time. Something happened missing time. 150 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 1: And there's other weird stuff. When they get home, the 151 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 1: strap to Barney's binoculars is broken, Betty's dress is torn 152 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 1: in the front. There's even a little blood on her 153 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:06,679 Speaker 1: dress from the inside. Apparently Barney's dress shoes have deep 154 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 1: scuffs in them, and both their watches have stopped, and 155 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: they both have this kind of weird feeling that like 156 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 1: something's happened to their bodies. But when they kind of 157 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 1: examine themselves, are like, everything looks fine, So I don't know, 158 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 1: I guess I guess I'm just making shut up, and 159 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: there's an l A Times article that mentioned that there 160 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 1: was also some weird concentric circles on their car and 161 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 1: when like they held compasses over it, it made the 162 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 1: needle go crazy. So that's all weird stuff. And at 163 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: one point they both saw a fiery orbs sitting on 164 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:45,560 Speaker 1: the ground. They both remember seeing that. Well there, I mean, 165 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: you know, it's strange. You know, my watch stopped. Um, 166 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 1: these compasses are acting strange. I don't remember some time. Oh, 167 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 1: also there was a giant fiery orb sitting on the 168 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:04,679 Speaker 1: ground like lead. With that, well, Betty definitely was like 169 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 1: something's going on because she went and checked out a 170 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 1: book on UFOs and was like looking stuff up. And 171 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 1: she ended up filing a report with the Air Force 172 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: and like telling them, you know that we saw this 173 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 1: weird ship and she's describing it. UFO. Casebook dot Com 174 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 1: said that Major Paul Henderson told Betty their raider also 175 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: picked up a UFO that night, so he kind of 176 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:31,599 Speaker 1: confirmed that they definitely saw something. I mean, not a 177 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 1: UFO necessarily, but certainly something unidentified that was flying. So 178 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 1: I guess it isn't I guess what I mean is 179 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 1: he didn't confirm aliens. He just confirmed a UFO, and 180 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 1: in his report the major decided they had just misidentified 181 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 1: the planet Jupiter. It was shining pretty brightly that night, 182 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 1: so he's like, they just thought they saw something, but 183 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:59,200 Speaker 1: they didn't. I'm always mistaking Jupiter for any random number 184 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 1: of things, and know how planets like to radically move 185 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 1: around noticeably on Earth. So the Hills are basically like, 186 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 1: let's forget all about this. This was just a weird thing. 187 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: But we did our part citizen duty. We reported to 188 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: the Air Force. We're good. But a few days later, 189 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 1: Betty starts having really intense nightmares, and five nights in 190 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 1: a row, she's dreaming of these gray beings that like 191 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 1: they apparently like land on the car and take them 192 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 1: up a ramp and they can they conduct various experiments 193 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:36,719 Speaker 1: on them, um possibly speaking through telepathy, like Barney at 194 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 1: one point talked about eyes pushing through his eyes. Some 195 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 1: of it's kind of sounds like people trying to describe 196 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 1: technology that they just have no frame of reference for. 197 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 1: So like she tried to describe a map or something 198 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:52,680 Speaker 1: that they made three D, which is what we would 199 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 1: call hologram today. But of course they didn't have a 200 00:11:55,960 --> 00:12:00,320 Speaker 1: vocabulary for that. She said. They inserted a long eatle 201 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 1: into her stomach, which the being said was a pregnancy test. 202 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:09,320 Speaker 1: It caused her incredible pain and so well, a huge needle. 203 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 1: I mean, come on, but one of the beings apparently 204 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 1: like waved his hand in her face and the pain 205 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 1: just went away. Okay, now that now they're holding out right, 206 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 1: where's this? You know that's an et I need that. 207 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: Any aliens listening to our podcast, if you have magical 208 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 1: healing powers like that, or at least just just desensitizing 209 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 1: powers to pain, please share. Yes she doesn't email, Uh, 210 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 1: we'd love to connect. We'll bring you on the show. 211 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: Slide into the d m s anytime. So she dreamed 212 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 1: that she asked them where they were from, and they 213 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 1: showed her star map to kind of show her wear 214 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 1: and space they had come from. And she was also 215 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:57,839 Speaker 1: given a book of strange symbols to keep as a souvenir. 216 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 1: But then there was like a dis agreement and they 217 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:04,719 Speaker 1: decided that neither of them should remember this encounter at all, 218 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 1: so they took the book away from them, And this 219 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 1: was at the car. I really love this image of 220 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 1: the aliens carding these bodies back, like trying to position 221 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 1: them in the car to look like they were driving 222 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:22,200 Speaker 1: the whole time, barking wildly, barking his head off, and 223 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 1: this and that. One of them with you know, the 224 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 1: intern alien is like, I hate what we did to them, 225 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 1: but I decided to gift them this lovely, our lovely 226 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: alien symbol book for them to read, uh, and take 227 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 1: a piece of culture with them. Carl, I was reading that, 228 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 1: Go get it right now. But how could you? I 229 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 1: was so near the end. Oh my god, can they 230 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 1: be reading the world? According to Garp, I don't know 231 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:58,680 Speaker 1: what the world. I gave them our last copy of 232 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:02,079 Speaker 1: the world. According to Garp, I was in the middle 233 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 1: of that, Carl, go get it right now. Oh I'll 234 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 1: never know what the world was, according to Garp. Okay, 235 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 1: so so Betty and Barney decided, oh what humans it is? 236 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: I oh sorry, And this is my counterpart. Cleepler cleep clerp, cleep, 237 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 1: gleep clerp saying it right, No cleep clerp, cleep clerpep. 238 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 1: I'm saying, glead clerkleep cleep clerp. That's the one. It's regional. Look, 239 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 1: the only reason we have not yet destroyed your planet 240 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 1: is because of this show Ridiculous Romance and the following 241 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 1: programs and products which supported so rest and carefully. You're 242 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: very cosmic existence depends on it. The show will return 243 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 1: after these men such is l delights, earthly delights lights. 244 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 1: I guess we'll be right back. I guess. So these 245 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 1: aliens which have intruded, welcome back. Your host will now 246 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 1: continue the story of the first alien abduction alleged alien abductions. Right, 247 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 1: must be careful. Clip cloor clip club clip glor Thank 248 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 1: you God, these aliens. I don't remember where we are. 249 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 1: Where are we? They having dreams or someone? Betty, Betty 250 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 1: and Barney hang on, Yes, yes, it's the dreams. Okay, okay, 251 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 1: So Betty tells Barney about these dreams she's been having. Now. 252 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 1: I had listened to an interview with Barney Hill's son, 253 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 1: Barney the Third. His daughter is m M A fighter 254 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 1: angela overkill Hill And I know it's cool Legacy, I 255 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 1: feel just beating mass now. It's awesome. Um. And she 256 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 1: did an interview with him on her podcast Ceremonial Away 257 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 1: In And according to him, his father was pretty superstitious. Um, 258 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 1: they grew up superstitious. Ghost stories were like a big 259 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 1: thing around their house, and Betty was really into that stuff, 260 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 1: so they'd be talking about ghosts and witches. But whenever 261 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 1: the conversation became about flying saucers, which Betty was super 262 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 1: interested in. She was a big sci fi fan. But 263 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 1: Barney would become antagonistic and really dismissive, and he was like, 264 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 1: fully did not have time for UFOs at all. And 265 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 1: even though he did believe that he saw an unidentified 266 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 1: flying object that night, um, when Betty would bring up 267 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 1: these dreams, he was just like, Betty, that is your imagination. 268 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 1: That's that's just a dream. Don't worry about it. So 269 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 1: Barney is at at this point reasonably thinking, yes, we 270 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 1: saw something weird. No, you're you're you're dreaming about the 271 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 1: subduction thing. Yeah, this is not a Star Trek situation. 272 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 1: It's just something weird. The Air Force knows about it. Anyway, 273 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:05,679 Speaker 1: We're are part of that story is over, kind of, 274 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:08,399 Speaker 1: it seems. And Barney the third said he thought that 275 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:10,680 Speaker 1: was kind of weird because for the rest of the family, 276 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 1: that abduction idea kind of explained everything that happened to them, 277 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:18,639 Speaker 1: and he's like, I mean, all this weird stuff was 278 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 1: kind of fits pretty neatly into that story, but Barney 279 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:25,879 Speaker 1: was not into it. So Barney the Third started getting 280 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 1: calls from family members telling him his dad was acting strange, 281 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:30,639 Speaker 1: not quite right, and they couldn't put a finger on 282 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 1: what was wrong with him. But he's a post office 283 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: worker who usually drove from Portsmouth to Boston a few 284 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 1: nights a week, and he used to be a truck 285 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:39,160 Speaker 1: driver in the army. So the guy's a great driver, 286 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:41,719 Speaker 1: but for some reason, Barney the Third says, he just 287 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: couldn't drive anymore. Yeah, Betty's still having these nightmares. They're 288 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 1: just not doing well psychologically after this event. So it's 289 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 1: two years later and they decided to go see a 290 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:56,920 Speaker 1: psychologist to kind of figure out what's going on. In 291 00:17:56,920 --> 00:18:00,719 Speaker 1: it's nineteen and they go see Dr Ben jam And Simon, 292 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:04,160 Speaker 1: who was known for helping World War Two veterans combat 293 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 1: PTSD through hypnosis therapy. And the idea is that under hypnosis, 294 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 1: you'll remember things that you normally wouldn't if you're conscious, 295 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:14,880 Speaker 1: because your brain does like to protect you from traumatic events, 296 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 1: so you'll, you know, not remember them, but that means 297 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:20,439 Speaker 1: you can't heal from them. So the idea is to 298 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:23,440 Speaker 1: put you under hypnosis where you can safely remember that 299 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 1: event and kind of start moving past it. So he 300 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 1: sees them separately. They're not together during these hypnosis sessions, 301 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:36,159 Speaker 1: and Betty recounts her experience of the induction, which pretty 302 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 1: much matches her dreams. There's some differences, and Barney's matched 303 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 1: up with Betty's account down to the full description of 304 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:50,160 Speaker 1: the beings, which were like humanoid, bipedal, no hair, big guys, 305 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:53,399 Speaker 1: nose slits, and gray skin. They were kind of short. 306 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:55,879 Speaker 1: This is like a classic alien, classic alien. They look 307 00:18:55,960 --> 00:19:02,200 Speaker 1: like aliens. However, did both their descriptions match, I mean 308 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 1: against nineteen. There's not a ton of like alien depictions 309 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 1: out there, but I think the established look alien. So 310 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 1: they recounted the UFO landing on their car, which kind 311 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 1: of accounts for those weird circles on their their car. 312 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 1: Um they let him up the ramps. They took samples. 313 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 1: They both had locks of hair cut off skin scraped 314 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 1: into a vial. Barney said he had a sperm sample taken, 315 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:30,120 Speaker 1: and of course Betty had that pregnancy tests needle thing 316 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 1: that sounds terrifying, which I mean, I mean he's trying 317 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 1: to puncture the baby or something. What's the point. I'm 318 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 1: just thinking about their unique experiences. And you know, Barney 319 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:45,400 Speaker 1: had a sperm sample taken, there's pretty much one way 320 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:49,440 Speaker 1: to get that, whereas Betty gets a giant needle stabbed 321 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:54,399 Speaker 1: into her stomach. I mean, you know, even in alien abductions, 322 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:57,639 Speaker 1: men just have it better than women. It's really not fair. 323 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 1: Although you could say Barney was sexually assault did that's trillions, 324 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:04,440 Speaker 1: which is not cool? That's true. We can only assume 325 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 1: that they appeared to him as you know, his fantasy scenario. 326 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 1: He did not get detailed about that, but I sure 327 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:15,679 Speaker 1: wish he did, because now that's all I want to 328 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 1: know about. Uh. And Betty did draw the UFO she 329 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: saw you can see pictures of it. And she drew 330 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 1: the star map that she had seen from memory and 331 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 1: under hypnosis. They were both terrified. Betty had tears streaming 332 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:35,119 Speaker 1: down her face at one point and they had to 333 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: like stop the session because she was so upset. Dr 334 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 1: Simon speculated that maybe Betty talked in her sleep and 335 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 1: then Barney somehow like absorbed that in his sleep and 336 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 1: just believed it to be reality. But Barney kind of 337 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 1: laughed at that, which I've kind of them laughing. It 338 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 1: seems weird. And Betty's niece Kathleen Martin just wrote a 339 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:01,640 Speaker 1: book called Captured about all this, and she quotes Barney 340 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:05,159 Speaker 1: saying that he drove nights, as we've talked about, and 341 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 1: so he didn't sleep with Betty, so how would he 342 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 1: absorb her talking in her sleep? He was also like, 343 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 1: she would have to speak in complete sentences, and then 344 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:16,120 Speaker 1: why would I just believe anything she said as reality? 345 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:21,120 Speaker 1: That's not a thing. So that was kind of written off. 346 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:25,120 Speaker 1: Barney the third says, after the hypnosis sessions, his father 347 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:27,919 Speaker 1: really improved and was much more like his normal self. 348 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:30,680 Speaker 1: So whether or not, you know, you can argue if 349 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 1: it was the real experience, but at least the hypnosis 350 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:37,639 Speaker 1: seemed to do its its job, you know, for their 351 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 1: mental health. Anyway, the Hills kept quiet about their encounter, 352 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 1: but then a journalist named John Latrell Latrell, I don't 353 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 1: know John l U T t r E l Hell. 354 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 1: He got a hot tip about their story and he 355 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 1: published this article in nine and the Hills said, no, 356 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 1: this is full of inaccuracies. So they decided to put 357 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 1: a book out of their own about this story. It's 358 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:05,679 Speaker 1: not like they wanted to come out with this crazy 359 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 1: story to get attention, but they tried to keep it 360 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:09,960 Speaker 1: quiet and they kind of got dragged back out of 361 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 1: them again. So they're thinking, what would be the point 362 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:15,439 Speaker 1: of making up this UFO story and then and then 363 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 1: not telling anyone about it? There there of course, there 364 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 1: are skeptics about Betty and Barney's story. What there's skeptics. 365 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 1: Noone just believe them first alien abduction, with all these 366 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 1: shaky details. It has been pointed out just a couple 367 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 1: of weeks before their incident, the sci fi show Outer 368 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:40,199 Speaker 1: Limits had just premiered and their aliens looked like exactly 369 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 1: like what they were describing, as you said, classic classic 370 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 1: aliens um in pop culture, I guess and UFO expert 371 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,719 Speaker 1: Robert Schaeffer has a whole blog post on his blog 372 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 1: Bad UFOs talking about the geography of the road and 373 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 1: the hills and things nearby to be like listen this. 374 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 1: He said, there was a restaurant that had a giant 375 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 1: pumpkin build on top of it that lit up, and 376 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 1: because they were like on a hill, it would make 377 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 1: it look like a fiery orbs that ground. So they 378 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 1: saw a giant pumpkin. I don't know, definitely. And he 379 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 1: also points out, and this actually does make a lot 380 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 1: of sense. They had been driving for twenty one hours 381 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 1: at this point. They were very sleep deprived, and it's 382 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,639 Speaker 1: true that you can kind of hallucinate when you're really tired. 383 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 1: I never told you about this. What we Uh, We 384 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 1: drove sixteen hours one time to go to New York City, 385 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 1: and I drove the whole way, and about two thirds 386 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,200 Speaker 1: of the way there, we were abducted by aliens. Yeah, 387 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna tell you, but well what happened. Oh, 388 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:49,879 Speaker 1: I mean the usual. They they took us up. I 389 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 1: gave a sperm sample. They shoved a big needle into 390 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 1: your belly. Um. I hope I wasn't pregnant. Uh no, 391 00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:01,119 Speaker 1: they said you weren't. Um, it's not not not. That 392 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 1: was not in our plans. On our way to New York, 393 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,239 Speaker 1: I was in the worst car accident that I've been in, 394 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 1: which is nice because I wasn't that bad. I was 395 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 1: really sleep deprived, and I fell asleep at the wheel, 396 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 1: and I remember thinking I had seen a white car 397 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 1: right next to me, so I like turned my wheel 398 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 1: really fast, and it made me hit the median and 399 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 1: when I looked, there was no cars at all in 400 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 1: the road, like, no tail lights, nothing. It's possible that 401 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 1: there was a car there and they were just gone 402 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:27,639 Speaker 1: by the time I looked, But it really felt like 403 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,639 Speaker 1: I had just made that shut up completely, Like my 404 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 1: brain was just like, you shouldn't be asleep, you're driving. 405 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 1: Um So anyway, I was just kind of like that 406 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:39,720 Speaker 1: sounds like it could be, but a shared hallucination like 407 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:41,880 Speaker 1: that is kind of odd. If you're driving right now 408 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:45,880 Speaker 1: listening to our podcast and you're feeling sleepy, please pull over, 409 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 1: find somewhere to stop. It's not worth it. You're gonna 410 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 1: see all kinds of weird things that aren't really there. 411 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 1: So that's our little p s A for the episode. 412 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:55,920 Speaker 1: And you can just do drugs for that. You don't 413 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,640 Speaker 1: need to put your life in danger. Yeah, seriously, there's 414 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 1: a lot of tree take some mushrooms everybody else. So 415 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,959 Speaker 1: Robert anyway is like they're just tired, they're seeing things, 416 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:13,240 Speaker 1: they're overreacting because Betty's this big UFO enthusiast um. He 417 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:17,440 Speaker 1: says they had their hypnosis sessions two years after the incidents. 418 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 1: They had plenty of time to like get their stories 419 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 1: straight and go over them together. But for what it's worth, 420 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 1: their psychologist, Dr. Benjamin Simon saw them for six months 421 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 1: and said he he believed that they truly believed they 422 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 1: were abducted. They did not seem to be making it 423 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:37,479 Speaker 1: up or like lying on purpose. So he's like, I 424 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 1: think they did see a UFO that night, and that 425 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:43,439 Speaker 1: they saw an object they couldn't identify. But it was 426 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 1: his opinion actually that they had an anxiety disorder related 427 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 1: to being an interracial couple in the nineteen sixties, traveling 428 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 1: in a rural area and constantly dealing with shitty society, 429 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:56,920 Speaker 1: which does sound stressful, but I'm not sure you'd see 430 00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 1: an alien because of it. Look, I'm not here to 431 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 1: say what does or doesn't do to your psychology, because 432 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,680 Speaker 1: it's true, he said. He again that he found them 433 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,119 Speaker 1: to be very well adjusted in their marriage, popular in 434 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:14,160 Speaker 1: their community. They said that in their trip they did 435 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:18,159 Speaker 1: see a waitress have a quote reaction to them, but 436 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 1: didn't say what their reaction was. So there might have been, 437 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 1: you know, some weird ship going on in their trip 438 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 1: that maybe made it tense, you know, for them. So yeah, 439 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:32,359 Speaker 1: she she especially Betty always insisted they never had any problems. 440 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:36,360 Speaker 1: But I will say that Betty might not have been 441 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 1: in possession of all the facts, because white people can 442 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 1: be very much in love with a black person and 443 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 1: still be ignorant of their own and others racist behaviors 444 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 1: or words or microaggressions. You know, we just have a 445 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:54,160 Speaker 1: different a whole different lens that we're seeing things through. 446 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 1: So it's possible that if you asked Barney, he might 447 00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 1: have had a different answer to that. But I liked 448 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,879 Speaker 1: to think that they're in a community of like minded people, 449 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 1: and you know, they're working with the n DOUBLE at 450 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 1: p they're active in their church and stuff. So hopefully 451 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 1: she was right about that, and they were had a 452 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 1: pretty chill experience so far, you know, in as far 453 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,680 Speaker 1: as you can have in American society. But like you said, 454 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:23,119 Speaker 1: they got plenty of attention without even trying, thanks to 455 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,360 Speaker 1: John Latrell. There's a few books written about them, including 456 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 1: the one they wrote, and a movie called The UFO 457 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 1: Incident starring s del Parsons and James Earl Jones as Barney, 458 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 1: which if Barney lived long enough to know who James 459 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 1: Earl Jones was, I feel like it would have been 460 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 1: pretty stoked about that. Oh, that's amazing James Earl Jones 461 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 1: played If James Earl Jones played me in a movie, 462 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 1: I'd be what amazing sign myself an incredible? It would 463 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:51,119 Speaker 1: be a weird choice, I guess, But I mean the 464 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,960 Speaker 1: man's ranged. But yeah, more than that, they kicked off 465 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:57,879 Speaker 1: a national phenomenon. Yeah, no one had ever reported being 466 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:01,159 Speaker 1: abducted before this. Again, as far as we know, I mean, 467 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 1: not not publicly, not in the papers. It was never 468 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:07,119 Speaker 1: really out there. But according to courts, after the UFO 469 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 1: incident came out, reports of alien abductions went up percent. 470 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,359 Speaker 1: How do you measure that if there's none and then 471 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,879 Speaker 1: there's some, isn't it just like I guess you go 472 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 1: from one that's so many, which is a lot, And 473 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:30,920 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you look at sure, you look 474 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:32,879 Speaker 1: at the attention that came out of it. I think 475 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 1: we have a much better appreciation today of the amount 476 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 1: of the lengths people will go to just to be 477 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 1: heard of. So sure people hear about this story, Maybe 478 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 1: they haven't experienced, they haven't been able to explain themselves, 479 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 1: and that's that's the perfect logical solution. Maybe they just 480 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 1: totally make up some bullshit because they want to get 481 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 1: in the papers. That's I think both reasonable. Put them 482 00:28:54,800 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 1: all together. Yeah, that makes sense. That math checks out. Well, 483 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 1: I used a calculator. I'm bad at math, so this 484 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,320 Speaker 1: all works out. Allows me to make up all kinds 485 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:13,720 Speaker 1: of crazy enough around here and uh, the only numbers 486 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 1: that I can. Oh my god, they're back. It's gonna 487 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 1: be like a whole bit now, is it like a 488 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 1: recurring joke? Yes? What was bliploorp bliplorp and I have 489 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 1: been listening to this show on the I Heart radio 490 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 1: app where you can find all of your favorite pod guests. Yes, 491 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,960 Speaker 1: and you're listeners. A break on the tum here un 492 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 1: polished voice and hey man, fuck you man, fuck you. Okay, 493 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 1: okay man, let's let's start an inter galactic incident here. Okay, yes, 494 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 1: you are you done? Are you guys done? Okay, We're 495 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 1: gonna go to a commercial break. We're gonna come back 496 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,560 Speaker 1: after this, get rid of these weird aliens, and we'll 497 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 1: be right back. Okay, and we're back. It turns out 498 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 1: the aliens they're not allergic to water, but they are 499 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,480 Speaker 1: highly allergic to dog hair. And we have a ton 500 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,440 Speaker 1: of that around here. So yeah, so we gave him 501 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 1: a better drill and we sent them on their way, 502 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 1: hopefully for no more interruptions. So let's get back to 503 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 1: Betty and Barney Hill. It must be said sci fi 504 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 1: as a genre had just gotten its start in like 505 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 1: the forties. People didn't really believe in aliens before the sixties. 506 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,960 Speaker 1: So someone was going to be the first to claim 507 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 1: to be abducted by aliens. And it happens to be 508 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 1: this lovely couple from New Hampshire. And ever since stories 509 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,920 Speaker 1: about abductions have included similar details as the Hill story, 510 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 1: missing time, medical examinations, all classic. So my questions, you know, 511 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 1: is that that shows one of two things, right. It 512 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 1: either shows uh, it either gives some credibility to your 513 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,360 Speaker 1: claims because they're all the same what everybody's saying, the 514 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 1: same thing, So maybe this is really happening everyone, or 515 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 1: it gives a copycut vibe like, well, you're just saying 516 00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 1: what everybody else said. Yeah, you know, if somebody came 517 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,280 Speaker 1: out and had a completely different experience with aliens, I 518 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 1: wonder if that'd be more credible, Like no, no, no, 519 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 1: this isn't one of those copycat stories. Probes, you know, 520 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 1: grey guys and big eyes and nose slits. This is 521 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 1: I got sucked up by a bunch of you know, 522 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 1: interdimensional time warping beings and um they merged with my 523 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:26,719 Speaker 1: hair and uh and and and erupted into a chorus 524 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:31,520 Speaker 1: of song. Uh. And then I was uh, um spitballing 525 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:40,200 Speaker 1: here um uh flung flung into the center of the sun. Uh, 526 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:44,360 Speaker 1: totally protected. I saw the entirety of time and existence 527 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 1: condensed into a pebble size of a pebble. And uh. 528 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 1: And then I came back home and I and now 529 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 1: I know how to play guitar, you know, Like, is 530 00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 1: that more credible? I guess you'd have to play the 531 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:05,760 Speaker 1: guitar for me. Okay, well then forget, I said. Anyway, 532 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 1: I thought it was funny they There was one place 533 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 1: that mentioned that a lot of sci fi stories from 534 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 1: the forties and fifties where aliens were pretty friendly and 535 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 1: Jill and they were like kind of cute. But then 536 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 1: like after Betty and Barney's story, it became much more threatening. 537 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 1: People were like, oh, aliens are like trying to like 538 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 1: look at our origins and ship. You know. So I 539 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 1: think that's interesting because Betty herself compared them to like Magellan. 540 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 1: She's like, they're just totally harmless explorers looking around. But 541 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 1: her story made people more scared of aliens than they 542 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 1: would have been. I've said it before, I'll say it again. 543 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 1: If a species evolves to the point where they can 544 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 1: travel across interstellar distances and come here, they're probably not 545 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:57,840 Speaker 1: a violent species lest they wouldn't have evolved that far. 546 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 1: So why would aliens come you're trying to function up right, 547 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:05,040 Speaker 1: It would be too busy fighting amongst themselves. Get off 548 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,320 Speaker 1: the ground like us, you know, case and point us. 549 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 1: Why aren't we on Mars yet? Because we've been squabbling 550 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 1: and punching each other in the face because all of 551 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 1: our research went to bombs and porn and you know, 552 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,280 Speaker 1: and there's you know. So if you're if you're gonna 553 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,000 Speaker 1: get to that point, I think you've gotten past all 554 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,600 Speaker 1: the violence and everything. I don't think you're conquerors. I 555 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,560 Speaker 1: think you're just explorers. We we have a hard time 556 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 1: conceptualizing that because we can't conceive of the idea of 557 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 1: going somewhere and not conquering it that's so ingrained in 558 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:42,160 Speaker 1: our very true we're calling out human yeah, so anyway, yes, 559 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 1: I'm in the pre nineteen camp of people who thought 560 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 1: aliens were chill and awesome and friendly. Well after they 561 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:54,200 Speaker 1: came out with this story, um, it became such a 562 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 1: part of the zeitgeist that respected publications and scientists were 563 00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,200 Speaker 1: really in on it, Like Carl Sagan sat down with 564 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 1: Betty at one point, and also this school teacher named 565 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,640 Speaker 1: Margaret Fish who was an amateur astronomer. She got real 566 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,480 Speaker 1: focused on the star map that Betty had drawn that 567 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,360 Speaker 1: we mentioned earlier, and she decided to try to figure 568 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:17,200 Speaker 1: out if those stars matched any stars in the universe, 569 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,239 Speaker 1: to to kind of figure out where where is this 570 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 1: place they're talking about. She did some sciencing. There's a 571 00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,680 Speaker 1: lot of info about charts and ship that we're not 572 00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:26,400 Speaker 1: going to bore you with, but she did some science 573 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,680 Speaker 1: thing about it, and she found a match and a 574 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:32,120 Speaker 1: star system called Zeta reticuli, which let a lot of 575 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 1: people be like, oh, Betty was being real because this 576 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:38,239 Speaker 1: actually matches stars that she had no idea existed. So 577 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,440 Speaker 1: how could she have done that on her own? Okay, 578 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:45,440 Speaker 1: her findings were published in Astronomy magazine in nine. It 579 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:47,799 Speaker 1: wasn't an agreement with her findings, but it was sort 580 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,000 Speaker 1: of this like, well, let's have a conversation about it. 581 00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:54,120 Speaker 1: This is interesting, right, that she discovered this system that 582 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,400 Speaker 1: matches up with Betty's description, and it's like news science, right, 583 00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,799 Speaker 1: aliens and stuff, so it will make sense. They're all 584 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:04,360 Speaker 1: into Astronomy magazine is popping off, and for a year 585 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,880 Speaker 1: there were all these arguments kind of foreign exempt against 586 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:11,040 Speaker 1: this star map idea. So in the nineties, this European 587 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:16,279 Speaker 1: satellite hipparcost mapped the stars more accurately, and Margaret's theory 588 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,640 Speaker 1: fell apart, didn't work anymore, didn't line up, and she 589 00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,959 Speaker 1: herself retracted it and the Yankee skeptic, they wrote later, 590 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:25,320 Speaker 1: after newer data was compiled, she determined that the binary 591 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,920 Speaker 1: stars within the pattern were too close together to support life, so, 592 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:31,520 Speaker 1: as a true skeptic, she issued a statement that she 593 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,320 Speaker 1: now felt the correlation was unlikely. But when it was 594 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:38,279 Speaker 1: published in four it was already a little divisive, and 595 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,080 Speaker 1: Astronomy Magazine was only a year and a half old 596 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:44,120 Speaker 1: at the time. The issue sold really well, but it 597 00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:47,239 Speaker 1: also nearly ruined the magazine's reputation. At a time they 598 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,160 Speaker 1: were just they were just starting to get big and 599 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,960 Speaker 1: so the editor, Terence Dickinson, he left his position a 600 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:57,440 Speaker 1: few months later. Fortunately they managed to recover their image, 601 00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,200 Speaker 1: but it took several years. It was into the eighties 602 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,319 Speaker 1: that they really kind of built back up again. There's 603 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,719 Speaker 1: an article on astronomy dot com now called the Zeta 604 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:08,319 Speaker 1: Ridiculi Incident or Ridiculi Incident, where they basically just kind 605 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,439 Speaker 1: of set the record straight and pseudo apologize for ever 606 00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,120 Speaker 1: having posted this story to begin with, because they felt 607 00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,359 Speaker 1: like they were reputable science magazine they didn't want to be, 608 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,279 Speaker 1: you know, going up they I think they felt like, well, 609 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,560 Speaker 1: it's about science, so let's put it out there, not 610 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,799 Speaker 1: kind of realizing that like if we're putting it out there, 611 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:30,280 Speaker 1: we're legitimizing it, right, And so now they definitely kind 612 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,160 Speaker 1: of or like, we didn't mean to say that, Uh, 613 00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,080 Speaker 1: this is kind of a bunch of hocum. Yeah. But 614 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,680 Speaker 1: I could kind of see why they felt like running 615 00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:40,920 Speaker 1: it at the time because it was it was such 616 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:44,440 Speaker 1: a big topic for conversation. It was all over pop 617 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,920 Speaker 1: culture and stuff like that, so it seems like a 618 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,279 Speaker 1: good way to get readership. But also like science is 619 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:54,480 Speaker 1: about an exchange of opinions. I mean, basically, until you 620 00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,799 Speaker 1: get more evidence, you kind of have to just be like, 621 00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,640 Speaker 1: I'm a learned person and I know about space, and 622 00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,520 Speaker 1: I think this is or is not true for whatever reason. 623 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,359 Speaker 1: So I can kind of see why, although I can 624 00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,480 Speaker 1: also see why people would be like, now you're supposed 625 00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,120 Speaker 1: to tell me real ship, like how many moons Jupiter 626 00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:14,000 Speaker 1: has or whatever? But did it not bring more attention 627 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,920 Speaker 1: to Astronomy to you know, not the magazine, but the science. 628 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:19,640 Speaker 1: You know, really, you know, you you throw something like 629 00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,200 Speaker 1: that out, you know, thorough lure like that into pop culture, 630 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,480 Speaker 1: you might drag a few new fans in back with you. Right. 631 00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,920 Speaker 1: I'm sure a lot of astronauts are astronauts because they 632 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,040 Speaker 1: had a love of sci fi as a kid, and 633 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,560 Speaker 1: they read Astronomy. They started with the Betty and Barney 634 00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:36,640 Speaker 1: Hill incident, and they said, I gotta get out there 635 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,640 Speaker 1: and find those little grey guys. I gotta get this 636 00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:44,279 Speaker 1: book from Carl that sounds great sperm sample. I'm on 637 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:50,600 Speaker 1: my way, Aliens. Nobody on Earth wants my sperm. So 638 00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,719 Speaker 1: Barney died in nineteen sixty nine at the age of 639 00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:58,440 Speaker 1: forty six from a cerebral hemorrhage that kind of stood 640 00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,000 Speaker 1: out to me because it seems like after he died, 641 00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,480 Speaker 1: the story got a lot more public and there's a 642 00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:05,120 Speaker 1: lot more movies and stuff. So it's kind of like 643 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,480 Speaker 1: maybe Barney was the one kind of holding Betty back 644 00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:09,960 Speaker 1: from sharing with the world because she was such an 645 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,560 Speaker 1: enthusiast and he was so much more skeptical about it 646 00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:14,640 Speaker 1: that he was probably like, listen, I don't want to like. 647 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:17,840 Speaker 1: And I saw one article be like, why would an 648 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,560 Speaker 1: interracial couple in this day and age want a lot 649 00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,880 Speaker 1: of attention anyway, because you know they're just going to 650 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,200 Speaker 1: hear a lot of hurtful stuff. So I just thought 651 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,960 Speaker 1: that was interesting in terms of the timing of like 652 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,360 Speaker 1: when these movies were coming out and when Betty was 653 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,359 Speaker 1: doing interviews and stuff, it seems to be mostly after 654 00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:39,880 Speaker 1: Barney had died, not all, but mostly. Betty did become 655 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:43,520 Speaker 1: something of a celebrity in the UFO community. She attended 656 00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:47,359 Speaker 1: and spoke at several conventions. Um I did see one 657 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,600 Speaker 1: like redditors say that she was laughed off stage after 658 00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,840 Speaker 1: one of her speeches, and she would apparently say that 659 00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:57,040 Speaker 1: she saw UFOs all the time, even mistaking like street 660 00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:01,040 Speaker 1: lamps for UFOs and stuff. Like that The l A 661 00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,720 Speaker 1: Times said she would sometimes wave up at the sky 662 00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:07,000 Speaker 1: two beings that she couldn't see but knew were there. 663 00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:11,640 Speaker 1: I mean, I do that. Her own niece, Kathleen, who 664 00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:15,520 Speaker 1: wrote the book captured. She said that she was angry 665 00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,520 Speaker 1: that Betty ruined her credibility because she believes this story 666 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:22,440 Speaker 1: and she's like, it's because of Betty's later years that 667 00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,680 Speaker 1: threw a lot of skepticism on the original incident. But 668 00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:27,840 Speaker 1: then she also kind of forgave her when she realized 669 00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:29,880 Speaker 1: that Betty had a brain tumor, so she was kind 670 00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,440 Speaker 1: of like, maybe that's accounting for some of this weird behavior, 671 00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:36,640 Speaker 1: which brain tumors do a number on you, so that's possible. 672 00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:39,680 Speaker 1: I loved this story that at one convention in the 673 00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:43,160 Speaker 1: two thousand's Betty was photographed wearing a T shirt that 674 00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,719 Speaker 1: says I got abjected by aliens and all I got 675 00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,600 Speaker 1: was this Lausy T shirt because I was like, true, 676 00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,720 Speaker 1: you were supposed to get a cool book, but guess 677 00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:55,520 Speaker 1: what um And she died in two thousand four after 678 00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,080 Speaker 1: a year long battle with cancer. Can I pull in 679 00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:01,319 Speaker 1: a speculation station? I just think, uh that this is 680 00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:05,320 Speaker 1: a heavy speculation because I know nothing about science or 681 00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:09,760 Speaker 1: anatomy or the human brain, But is there something there 682 00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:14,719 Speaker 1: that Barney died from cerebral hemorrhage and Betty died from 683 00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,480 Speaker 1: a brain tumor. I can answer the Barney one, at 684 00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:22,200 Speaker 1: least because Barney the third mentioned that in his interview. 685 00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,759 Speaker 1: Um Angela asked him like, do you think did y'all 686 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:29,080 Speaker 1: think that, like that was related or something? And he said, 687 00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,720 Speaker 1: at first, yeah, he did think that, but it actually 688 00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,640 Speaker 1: is a genetic thing to It's called a bleeding stroke, 689 00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,960 Speaker 1: a cerebral hemorrhage, and apparently many members of their family 690 00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:42,200 Speaker 1: have had them, concluding himself, so he was like his 691 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:44,799 Speaker 1: he was like, I don't think so, you know, I 692 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,960 Speaker 1: think it's just genetics playing their part. I don't think 693 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,440 Speaker 1: it the aliens had anything to do with it. Cancer, 694 00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:54,040 Speaker 1: I don't know. I'd be moreph like if it was 695 00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:57,640 Speaker 1: ovarian or something, you know, like the needle thing. But 696 00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,000 Speaker 1: you just, I don't know, we don't know what happened 697 00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:05,600 Speaker 1: up there, saying we don't effects. The New York Times 698 00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:09,439 Speaker 1: obituary for Betty says she had two children, they didn't 699 00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,480 Speaker 1: say who. Barney also had two children, but with his 700 00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:16,040 Speaker 1: first wife, Ruby Horn, which was the aforementioned Barney Hill 701 00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,600 Speaker 1: the third and his brother Darryl, and I kind of 702 00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,920 Speaker 1: wondered about Ruby Horn. I found her obituary. She lived 703 00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:26,000 Speaker 1: in Philly, died in at age ninety outlived in both. 704 00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:29,960 Speaker 1: She's an accomplished artist who designed lamps and dresses, and 705 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:33,040 Speaker 1: she baked cakes and crochets. She was a painter and 706 00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:37,480 Speaker 1: a ceramic artist. She was described as gorgeous and glamorous, 707 00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,880 Speaker 1: the hostess with the mostest, And it also just says 708 00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,600 Speaker 1: she was preceded in death by her husband. It doesn't 709 00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:45,920 Speaker 1: even mention the divorce, so I'm not sure she ever 710 00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:50,080 Speaker 1: got remarried um and her pictures just this classy, beautiful 711 00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:53,279 Speaker 1: older woman. So I'm like, why did they break up? 712 00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:57,120 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, marriages are inscrutable to anyone outside 713 00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,440 Speaker 1: of them. But how did Barney meet Betty? How did 714 00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,000 Speaker 1: they get to get other? What did Ruby think of 715 00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,640 Speaker 1: all this UFO stuff? Because they had to still be 716 00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,600 Speaker 1: in contact. He was still seeing his sons. Is she 717 00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,120 Speaker 1: over like? What how is he doing over there? And 718 00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:14,000 Speaker 1: I'm sure like, no, no mention. Unfortunately, we have to 719 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:19,600 Speaker 1: speculate totally about Ruby. Speculation station was Ruby one of 720 00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:27,000 Speaker 1: the aliens. Did she come down first to prepare everything ready? 721 00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:29,160 Speaker 1: Didn't occur to me, you know, they had a couple 722 00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:32,680 Speaker 1: of kids that it didn't occur you because it's that outrageous. 723 00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:35,320 Speaker 1: That's what makes it plausible. Wouldn't that make his kids 724 00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:37,600 Speaker 1: part aliens? They were part aliens? But that's why they're 725 00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:40,200 Speaker 1: doing all this testing up there about fertility and everything 726 00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:41,960 Speaker 1: like that. Could it, you know, is this a fluke? 727 00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:44,919 Speaker 1: Could have happened again? Do you know how much how 728 00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:48,640 Speaker 1: alien are the kids? How human? Yeah? Can we can 729 00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:50,920 Speaker 1: this go back and forth? You know, just you know, 730 00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,400 Speaker 1: we didn't hear a lot about Ruby afterwards. Maybe she 731 00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:59,000 Speaker 1: went home, that's true. Maybe she went home, poor Ruby. 732 00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:03,360 Speaker 1: I'd also like to speculate. Was Delsie abducted too because 733 00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,520 Speaker 1: he was in the car. Did they not leave him 734 00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:09,040 Speaker 1: in the car? What did they get a sample from 735 00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:13,200 Speaker 1: the dog? What it is Delsie having alien pups? Is 736 00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:17,920 Speaker 1: Delsie an alien? Docsins are weird looking? Was Delcie sent down? 737 00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,640 Speaker 1: What are all docks and aliens? Are all dogs? Aliens? 738 00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:24,239 Speaker 1: Were they sent down to monitor to prepare to lull 739 00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,960 Speaker 1: list into a false sense of security and submission? Are 740 00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:30,399 Speaker 1: just like, oh, if we send dogs down there, they'll 741 00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,480 Speaker 1: get really used to dogs, and they'll like the dogs, 742 00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:36,720 Speaker 1: and they'll be into dogs. So then when we invade, 743 00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,280 Speaker 1: they won't even know it. What if Delsie's an alien? 744 00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:42,360 Speaker 1: What if all dogs are aliens and they're just not 745 00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:47,719 Speaker 1: activated yet, and when they do, you know, then it's over, 746 00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,760 Speaker 1: or then it begins. Maybe a wonderful new world begins 747 00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:54,359 Speaker 1: in a world led by dogs. How bad could it be? 748 00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:56,200 Speaker 1: I mean, flashed to the Rick and Morty episode, But 749 00:43:56,239 --> 00:44:00,160 Speaker 1: I don't think that they would be so cruel if 750 00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:03,319 Speaker 1: they If they are, they've been lying so hard this 751 00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,239 Speaker 1: whole time that they deserve it. It depends on the dog. 752 00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:09,320 Speaker 1: If they're all chihuahua's, we're fucked. But if their labs, 753 00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:11,880 Speaker 1: it's going to be okay. All right, I think we 754 00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:15,040 Speaker 1: need to know which dog we're talking about. But anyway, 755 00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:17,920 Speaker 1: no one asked Delcie. No one looked at the dog. 756 00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:20,839 Speaker 1: This is where the answers might be hiding, right, Why 757 00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:23,920 Speaker 1: didn't you put Delcie and or hypnosis? Oh do they 758 00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:27,319 Speaker 1: do doggy hypnosis? They probably do now trying to sell 759 00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:31,200 Speaker 1: us on doggy acupuncture in California somewhere, don't yeah, they 760 00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:34,080 Speaker 1: do it all. Reese Witherspoon's dog is getting hypnosis right 761 00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:40,360 Speaker 1: now to get over being neutered or something. Please your pets. 762 00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,320 Speaker 1: What a story Betty and Barney Hill, Betty the couple 763 00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:50,319 Speaker 1: that gets subducted togethers days stuck did together? The Yeah? 764 00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,359 Speaker 1: I think that's their their house words. I think that's there. 765 00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,120 Speaker 1: It's on their banner. Look, we we had a lot 766 00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:00,160 Speaker 1: of fun today, but there's nothing funny about alien abductions. 767 00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:03,280 Speaker 1: Unless you've got a funny story about being abducted by aliens, 768 00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:05,680 Speaker 1: it's funny or not. We'd love to hear aliens, you know. 769 00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,560 Speaker 1: We can't wait to hear from you, my fellow aliens, 770 00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:14,880 Speaker 1: I mean aliens so earthlings, I mean my fellow earthlings there. 771 00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,560 Speaker 1: You're welcome to reach out as well. We'd love to 772 00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:20,680 Speaker 1: hear from you. Have you have you heard this story? 773 00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:22,680 Speaker 1: Do you believe this story? What do you think? What 774 00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:25,200 Speaker 1: do you think is it? Have you been to convention 775 00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:27,480 Speaker 1: that Betty spoke at? Because I would love to hear 776 00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:29,960 Speaker 1: from you. That wasn't that long ago. So maybe some 777 00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:34,160 Speaker 1: of y'all were actually witnesses to her stories somehow, and 778 00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:40,719 Speaker 1: tell us about it and don't forget your lens. So 779 00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:46,560 Speaker 1: here you are? End of what? End of this episode? Yeah, 780 00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:49,480 Speaker 1: we were literally just doing that. You guys got here 781 00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:51,239 Speaker 1: just in time. We know that we love the end. 782 00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:54,080 Speaker 1: It's our favorite part. Can we do it me? Okay, 783 00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:57,040 Speaker 1: I'm sure that's fine. That's fine. If you have any 784 00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:01,640 Speaker 1: comments or galactic transmissions, send and to Romance at i 785 00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:04,919 Speaker 1: heeart media dot com. You can also find a whole 786 00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:09,319 Speaker 1: on on these social media's of Twitter and Instagram at 787 00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:13,800 Speaker 1: Diana Mike Boom and at oh Great, It's Eli. Don't 788 00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:18,640 Speaker 1: be shy, reach out, say hello. They are very friendly beatings. 789 00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,399 Speaker 1: They gave us a benedress. I am very sleepy now. 790 00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:24,919 Speaker 1: Actually I should probably go. Yeah, maybe you guys should 791 00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:28,080 Speaker 1: go take a nap. Great, I'm so glad we had 792 00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:30,879 Speaker 1: alien guests today, like an app on the show. Oh yeah, 793 00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:32,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna take an app to. Let's all go take 794 00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:36,440 Speaker 1: a nap your next Thanks for tuning in. Yeah, so 795 00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:40,479 Speaker 1: long friends, it's time to go. Thanks for listening to 796 00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:44,160 Speaker 1: our show. Tell your friend's name's uncle's in this to 797 00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:46,440 Speaker 1: listen to a show. Ridiculous Romans