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Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to the newest edition of the

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Speaker 1: Giant Suttle Podcast. John Smoke with you. Today's guest near

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Speaker 1: gihnts B reporter for The New York Post. That's Paul Schwartz,

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Speaker 1: also the host of the Blue Rush Podcast. But first

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Speaker 1: It's been a couple weeks. My friend, how are you?

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Speaker 1: I'm good, John, But you know what, we're not off

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Speaker 1: to a very good start here. I think you've already

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Speaker 1: had one inaccuracy and we haven't even started talking yet.

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Speaker 1: Oh boy, what what did I do? What did I do? Well? Um?

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Speaker 1: I am the co host of the Blue Rush podcast

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Speaker 1: up from The New York Post and I don't think

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Speaker 1: we can short change my other co host, because it

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Speaker 1: is one no other than Lawrence Times, the two time

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Speaker 1: had him on with his former teammate Jeff Eagles a

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Speaker 1: kicker in the hold. They're very nice. They it's like

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Speaker 1: freaking frack. Look, Lawrence is the only kicker in history

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Speaker 1: in overtime, which he tells us and nausea repeatedly on

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Speaker 1: the Blue Rush podcast. But yes, for the sake of accuracy,

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Speaker 1: I'm the co host. You apparently the host of this podcast. Correct,

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Speaker 1: That is correct. I give no one else credit for anything.

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Speaker 1: It's all me. Is that because because you couldn't get

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Speaker 1: a partner? Is that right? Well? Yeah, you know, anyone

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Speaker 1: that that's that's pretty much how it goes, all right, Paul,

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Speaker 1: Before we kind of talk about what's coming, let's just

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Speaker 1: through you know what, you think what you've seen, and

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Speaker 1: I don't kind of set the stage as we look ahead. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: a very unpleasant season UM ended with a very unpleasant

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Speaker 1: string of events. UM, one which was so certainly anticipated

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Speaker 1: that Dave Gentleman would retire. You know, the Giants were

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Speaker 1: His last four years were not good. When he came

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Speaker 1: there's a litany of of of of bad personnel moves, UM.

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Speaker 1: Mara probably is a little squeamish hiring a coordinator again,

426
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Speaker 1: But the GM is gonna have a conviction on this guy.

427
00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:36,600
Speaker 1: You know, when you say hiring a coordinator, hiring someone

428
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Speaker 1: that's going to call the place. Um, yeah, well you know,

429
00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:44,439
Speaker 1: look that that's the first question, right, you know, you know,

430
00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:46,760
Speaker 1: look the first question for the GM was second question

431
00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:48,560
Speaker 1: is who's your head coach gonna be? When they bring

432
00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:50,960
Speaker 1: the coach head coach and you can say, okay, you

433
00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:53,879
Speaker 1: ran a great offense here, right, who's your play caller?

434
00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:56,800
Speaker 1: Is it gonna be you? Oh yeah, it's gonna be me.

435
00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:59,320
Speaker 1: It's my offense. So my next question would be, you

436
00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:03,399
Speaker 1: know what, I don't like this. I don't like this

437
00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:05,800
Speaker 1: in my head coach. Okay, I'm not a big fan

438
00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:08,680
Speaker 1: of that, you know, and maybe other people are I'm

439
00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:10,600
Speaker 1: not a fan of that. The head coach has to

440
00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:12,960
Speaker 1: be the head coach. That's what entreated me about Joe

441
00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:15,720
Speaker 1: Judge is he was a head coach. The problem was

442
00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:17,600
Speaker 1: he didn't have good players, and he, you know, made

443
00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:20,840
Speaker 1: some mistakes of inexperience. I kind of like that. Look,

444
00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:25,520
Speaker 1: I can't stress this enough. This is my opinion. A

445
00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:28,439
Speaker 1: guy who's a really good coordinator that just gets you

446
00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:30,800
Speaker 1: in the door, that's all it does, you know what

447
00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:33,359
Speaker 1: I mean. You know, look at Robert Sala with the Jets,

448
00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:35,879
Speaker 1: and I'm not knocking him at all, but he was

449
00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:39,480
Speaker 1: a good defensive coordinator, right who people loved that shiny

450
00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:42,960
Speaker 1: ball had that passion, working up a sweat on the sideline.

451
00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:46,080
Speaker 1: All that stuff. Well, yeah, a lot of the stuff

452
00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:48,720
Speaker 1: that only gets in the door. John, You're only in

453
00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:50,960
Speaker 1: the door there with that shiny ball head, you know

454
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Speaker 1: what I mean. And and and then Robert Sala comes

455
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Speaker 1: in and and his defense is terrible, and what is

456
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Speaker 1: what kind of demeanor does he have on the sideline.

457
00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:02,639
Speaker 1: He's calm and he's collected, right, He's not this in

458
00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:05,280
Speaker 1: your face guy. And that's fine. I like that the

459
00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:09,480
Speaker 1: head coach, but the coordinator is a different breed than

460
00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:11,600
Speaker 1: than the head coach. The head coach has to be different.

461
00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:15,920
Speaker 1: So to me, you know, you're a great offensive coordinator.

462
00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,720
Speaker 1: Who's your quarterback? You know? You know Josh Allen's a

463
00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:20,919
Speaker 1: pretty darn good quarterback, you know. Now he helped you know,

464
00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,960
Speaker 1: Bryan Dabele helped develop him, and that's kudos to him.

465
00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:27,320
Speaker 1: But the head coach has to be a leader, and

466
00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:29,439
Speaker 1: he has to be a communicator like the GM but

467
00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:32,479
Speaker 1: for the players. So the coordinator stuff is just the

468
00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:35,520
Speaker 1: entry level to me, it doesn't. You gotta give me

469
00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:38,919
Speaker 1: a feel that you can control this whole operation. Oh,

470
00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:41,480
Speaker 1: by the way, you're a really great defensive coordinator. That

471
00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:43,800
Speaker 1: helps too, you know, Paul, it's funny you say that.

472
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Speaker 1: You know, Lance always says this on on Big Blue

473
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Speaker 1: Kickoff Live that, Well, if you're gonna hire a guy

474
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Speaker 1: because because he's a great play caller, right when, you

475
00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:52,399
Speaker 1: probably want to have him called plays, Because if you

476
00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:54,520
Speaker 1: hire some of these who's a great play caller, then

477
00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:56,760
Speaker 1: you bring him you're not calling plays? Well, then why

478
00:21:56,760 --> 00:22:00,280
Speaker 1: did you hire him? Exactly right, So that's kind of

479
00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:03,520
Speaker 1: the balance you have to find here. So that's why

480
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Speaker 1: I think to your point, It makes it so difficult

481
00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,439
Speaker 1: to find one of these head coach candidates, right because

482
00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:10,879
Speaker 1: again you're asking to do something you haven't necessarily you know,

483
00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:14,040
Speaker 1: seeing them do before and probably and it's probably hard

484
00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:17,080
Speaker 1: to get a feel for that in this interview process too, because,

485
00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:19,520
Speaker 1: as you well know, Paul, some people interview really well

486
00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:21,320
Speaker 1: and then they get in the bill and you're like, oh, boy,

487
00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:23,200
Speaker 1: that that that's not the same guy that I saw

488
00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:26,080
Speaker 1: for four hours in front of me on a zoom call. Right. Look,

489
00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,120
Speaker 1: I mean you can hire Doug Peterson. You know exactly

490
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Speaker 1: what you're getting with him. I'm not saying advocate him,

491
00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:32,280
Speaker 1: but you know, you know, you know exactly how he

492
00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:35,240
Speaker 1: runs his team, who he is. Um, maybe he's made

493
00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:37,640
Speaker 1: some changes after the Eagles, you know things like that.

494
00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,120
Speaker 1: Dan Quinn will be another guy in that category. Right, Again,

495
00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:42,119
Speaker 1: not advocating for him, just throwing out names that have

496
00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:44,520
Speaker 1: done the job before. Yeah, even you know, how about

497
00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:47,440
Speaker 1: a guy like like Raheem Morris who Ford he was

498
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,399
Speaker 1: a head coach too early? Probably too soon? Right, I

499
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:53,040
Speaker 1: think people said look at him and said Mike Tomlin. Okay,

500
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:55,920
Speaker 1: well there's only one Mike tom Lin. As we know, Um,

501
00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,000
Speaker 1: you know, but he was a head coach. He's a

502
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Speaker 1: good coordinator. Uh. Most people say he's charismatic, a leader

503
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 1: of men. So he's been down the road before as

504
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,200
Speaker 1: a head coach. But he's not uh you know it

505
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,320
Speaker 1: wouldn't be a new head coach. But he's a coordinator,

506
00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:12,160
Speaker 1: he's young. I'm just I just look these coordinators. That's

507
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 1: who you hire. Mostly coordinators who have never been head

508
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,320
Speaker 1: coaches before. And seriously, if you think of it, just

509
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:20,639
Speaker 1: off the top of your head, now, coordinators who have

510
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 1: never been a head coach who get hired in the

511
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,480
Speaker 1: NFL to be a head coach, what percentage do you

512
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Speaker 1: say succeed? Spent five seconds and tell me what percentage

513
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Speaker 1: you think succeed. I mean, I think I think generally

514
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,240
Speaker 1: head coaches don't really succeed in the league. If you

515
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:35,960
Speaker 1: look at the turnover, you're probably look at it like

516
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:37,880
Speaker 1: a like a ten to fifteen percent type of hitting

517
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:41,600
Speaker 1: right there, maybe something like that, Um, I don't know,

518
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,560
Speaker 1: not high. I mean, it's it's it's it's limber this way.

519
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,440
Speaker 1: It's much less than a coin flip, and and and

520
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,160
Speaker 1: and how many of those coordinators never get another head

521
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:54,040
Speaker 1: coaching job? Lost? Most right, you know. So you know

522
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Speaker 1: even a guy who we know, you know near and

523
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 1: theater a Hart, Steve Spagnola, Right, he was not a

524
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,439
Speaker 1: flash and a pan guy with the Giant's you know,

525
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 1: he was a defensive coordinator. He was good. He helped

526
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:07,639
Speaker 1: win a super Bowl. You know, for whatever reason, he

527
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 1: was not a good head coach. And you know he

528
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 1: will probably not get another shot at it, you know

529
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 1: what I mean now? And again, Paul, you look at

530
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 1: that too, like was he not a good head coach?

531
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,399
Speaker 1: Busy don't have the guys around to succeed too, and

532
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 1: that's why it's so hard. And look at Kevin Gilbride,

533
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,000
Speaker 1: he got his one chance to be a head coach.

534
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,120
Speaker 1: He gets the coach Ryan Leaf. I mean, it's just

535
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,200
Speaker 1: kind of the way it goes, right, Well, look, head

536
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:30,200
Speaker 1: coaching openings for the most part, or bad teams, right

537
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 1: or you know a bad team. Now, every once in

538
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 1: a while, you get a good team, you know what

539
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 1: I mean. I mean, you know, the Raiders are in

540
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:36,880
Speaker 1: the playoffs. You know they might need a new head

541
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:38,680
Speaker 1: coach if they don't keep their guy. You know, every

542
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 1: once in a while you get you get a team

543
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,479
Speaker 1: that's pretty good and for some reason they fire. They

544
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,240
Speaker 1: look the vikings and not a disaster of a team,

545
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 1: you know, but you know you inherit somebody else's problem,

546
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,679
Speaker 1: whether that person created the problems or not. So you know,

547
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,400
Speaker 1: how many how many coordinators can go and say I'm

548
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,359
Speaker 1: only gonna become a head coach for a team that

549
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,400
Speaker 1: has high draft picks and a the good salary cap situation.

550
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 1: All right, good luck with that, yeah, exactly before we

551
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 1: jump to the roster a little bit here, Paul and

552
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:11,160
Speaker 1: some of the big picture stuff, how much of priority

553
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,440
Speaker 1: when they go through all these interviews and include GM

554
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,119
Speaker 1: and head coach in this too, because I think it

555
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:19,679
Speaker 1: they're linked obviously, is to just making sure these guys

556
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:23,880
Speaker 1: have a priority plan for getting this offense right, because

557
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 1: the offense has been a problem for a pretty long

558
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 1: while now it has just not you know, done a

559
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 1: really good job. So how much of a priority is that?

560
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,360
Speaker 1: And can you prioritize that when you do in these

561
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 1: types of interviews. You can't focus on it solely, but

562
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 1: um um, and you know, and and and you can't

563
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,639
Speaker 1: discount you know, coaches with defensive backgrounds, you know what

564
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 1: I mean? You know, look, if you bring in a

565
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,439
Speaker 1: guy who's defensive coordinator, what's your first question or your

566
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 1: second question or third question was your offensive coordinator? What's

567
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,880
Speaker 1: your offensive coordinator? Right? You know? And and for these gms, right,

568
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 1: they sit down and they say, um, what do you

569
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 1: think of Daniel? What do you think about roster? First

570
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 1: of all, you know what I mean? And and and look,

571
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 1: I'm sure the owners are going to have to baby

572
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 1: put some cotton in their ears when when, if these

573
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 1: guys are brutally honest, then they say, what do you

574
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,640
Speaker 1: think of our roster? These cms, if they're any good,

575
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 1: are gonna lay it to him straight. And they're gonna

576
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 1: probably tell him I don't like your roster, you know,

577
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 1: and and and and and you know, here's what I like,

578
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 1: and here's what I don't like, and it don't like. Mike.

579
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 1: Be a lot longer of a conversation than what I like. Um,

580
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 1: then you asked the g M what do you think

581
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 1: of that? Of Daniel Jones? And it's would be interesting

582
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 1: to see if these owners, who are not used to

583
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 1: hiring from outside the organization, how much they'll be able

584
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 1: to stomach, you know, how much will they be able

585
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 1: to stomach if if if a guy sitting down for

586
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 1: the GM interview and said, what do you think about quarterback?

587
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 1: And the guy says, we had him as a late

588
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 1: second round pick. Um, I scouted him, I didn't love him,

589
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 1: and you know, I think we need to find serious

590
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 1: competition for him. Um, you know is John Marry gonna

591
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 1: sit there and said, yeah, sure fine, Oh man, Daniel.

592
00:26:58,119 --> 00:26:59,639
Speaker 1: You know, you know for for three years he's been

593
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 1: saying I kind of like Daniel. I want Daniel, and

594
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 1: I see good things in Daniel. That that's a hard

595
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 1: thing to hear. Right then, you guys screwed up. Now

596
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 1: I'm not some guy may love Daniel. Some guys said, yeah,

597
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:09,679
Speaker 1: we might have picked them too, And you know I

598
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 1: can help him. So look the offense. John Mayer said,

599
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 1: how many years ago? Our offense is broken? Right? Um,

600
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 1: that was many years ago and it ain't fixed. Uh

601
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:23,399
Speaker 1: so that's a priority, certainly. I mean you can't just

602
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 1: say our defense is fine, let's go to the offense.

603
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,159
Speaker 1: But yeah, um, anybody they talked to has to have

604
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 1: a very smart plan on what do you see from

605
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 1: our offense right now? What do you like about it?

606
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 1: That will be a few minutes. What do you not

607
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,640
Speaker 1: like about it. That will be a longer conversation than right,

608
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 1: how do you plan moving forward? How do we fix this?

609
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 1: How important you think it will be for how they

610
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,639
Speaker 1: answer the question about the roster you know, because to me,

611
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 1: I don't don't. I don't think that I wouldn't think

612
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 1: that would be a huge you know, you know, determining

613
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 1: factor in terms of who they hired. Do you want

614
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 1: to let the you know, the general manage. You like

615
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 1: him as a as a guy, you want to let

616
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:58,640
Speaker 1: him do what he wants with the roster anyway? Right,

617
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,400
Speaker 1: So how much of an impact you thing that answer

618
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 1: would have when they make the decision? Well? See, and

619
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 1: that this is why that leads me into this is

620
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:10,920
Speaker 1: why the keeping Joe Judge are having GM considered. Joe Judge. Look,

621
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 1: the GM may come in and say, quite frankly, I

622
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 1: don't like your roster. Okay, this is a rebuild here. Okay,

623
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 1: this is a rebuild. So so how much do the

624
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,880
Speaker 1: ownership have the stomach to hear a GM tell them

625
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,719
Speaker 1: this is not a quick fix. Okay, I gotta come

626
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 1: in and get the salary cap in order I have

627
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 1: to you know, clean out this roster. Um. You know,

628
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 1: they talked the last regime about the culture. I don't

629
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 1: no idea what the new GM is going to think

630
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 1: about the culture, you know, other than the fact that

631
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 1: there's a lot of players on this roster who've done

632
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 1: a lot of losing and maybe the GM doesn't like that,

633
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 1: you know. So if the GM says some hard things,

634
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 1: you know, you know, the owners can say, we've been

635
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 1: through this, you know we you know, I how can

636
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 1: I sell a rebuild and a couple of more years

637
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 1: of rebuilding and losing to my fan base? All they've

638
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 1: done is lose GM, you know, And some GMS may

639
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 1: come in and, oh, I think we can get this

640
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: turned around pretty pretty nicely, you know, in good order.

641
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 1: You have some some building blocks here. It depends on

642
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 1: I know, the n g M comes in and said, look,

643
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 1: you gotta give me five years. We're gonna stink. You know,

644
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: they're competitive guys. They think they can do better than that.

645
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 1: But you know, John, you know, don't you think a

646
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 1: GM might come in here and say, this is maybe

647
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 1: not ground floor up I have to build, but it's

648
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 1: the first floor up. You know what I mean, it's

649
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 1: first floor up here. I don't think we have a quarterback.

650
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 1: We don't have an offensive line, Um, we do. You

651
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 1: know I'm not. I didn't love the free agent guys

652
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 1: that you brought in. Uh you know. I mean GM

653
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 1: has gotta tell it like it is, and you know,

654
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 1: they have to hear it and they have to take

655
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,959
Speaker 1: their medicine or they don't. You know, I don't think

656
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 1: they're gonna just hire somebody who tells them all the

657
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: things they want to hear. The whole point of bringing

658
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 1: something from the outside is we need a new perspective,

659
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 1: and you know the new perspective might be pretty harsh. Yeah. Look,

660
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 1: I could see it both ways, Paul. I could see

661
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: coming in and say, well, you know, I get a

662
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 1: lot of injuries, you fix the offensive line. He gets

663
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: good stuffing around Daniel. I think it could work. Then,

664
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: you know, other guys just don't like working. I think

665
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 1: from a half built house, right, if you bring an architect,

666
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 1: then they want to build, and they want to build

667
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 1: with their plans and just do it the way they want.

668
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 1: They don't want to take the foundation that's already there

669
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 1: and then build on top of it. So I want

670
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 1: to fail with my guys. Yeah, I want to fail

671
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 1: with my guys. You know what I mean. You know,

672
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 1: if if I'm gonna fail, let me fail with the

673
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 1: quarterback I pick right, you know what I mean, not

674
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 1: the one that you picked for me, who hasn't had

675
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 1: a lot of success. You know, I don't want to

676
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 1: go down with your ship. I want to go down

677
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 1: with my ship. If I have to go down, you know,

678
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 1: it's it's you know. So look, do I think Daniel

679
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 1: Jones is gonna be on the team in two I do?

680
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 1: You know, he doesn't cost a lot of money, and

681
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 1: and quarterbacks just don't fall from skies. But that doesn't

682
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:46,719
Speaker 1: mean the new GM and the new head coach you're

683
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 1: not gonna either draft somebody or bring somebody in who's

684
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 1: going to be able to compete with Daniel Jones well

685
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 1: and Paul. That kind of brings us to the to

686
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 1: the structure of the roster right now, and you talk

687
00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 1: about a guy, maybe somebody might want to make a

688
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 1: lot of changes. I guess my question for you based

689
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 1: on how this thing is built right now and the

690
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 1: players in the roster, the way a lot of the

691
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 1: reported contracts are structured, etcetera, etcetera. Aside from the draft capital,

692
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: which they have a lot of the new can a

693
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 1: good players in the draft. Is there really much of

694
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 1: an opportunity to remake this roster in a year? Yeah,

695
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, I'm not saying remake it to

696
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 1: make it a playoff contender, but you can change the roster,

697
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I don't you think a lot

698
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: of this roster is going to be different? Yeah? But

699
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 1: I guess my point though, is that even with the

700
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 1: way things are set up here, there's this not a

701
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 1: lot of ways to create like a lot of salary

702
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: cap space, right Like, there's just not a lot a

703
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 1: ton of avenues to do that sort of thing unless

704
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 1: you want to further kick the candidate, kick kick the

705
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 1: can down the road, which I think for a new

706
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 1: GM probably isn't a direction they would want to go. True, Um,

707
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 1: you can always create salary cap space. They will cut

708
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 1: some people who will create space. That will leave some

709
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 1: problems down the road. Yes, but look, this team is

710
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 1: going to have probably four new starting offensive linemen next year, possibly,

711
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 1: so so that is an upheaval, you know, if you

712
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: want a bunch of young you know what I mean. So,

713
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,719
Speaker 1: so however it's done, it's going to be done, you know,

714
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 1: nobody's going to say I can run it back with

715
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: with this structure. They can't run it back with the structure. Now, look, uh,

716
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 1: you can have maybe seven guys on defense who come

717
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 1: back as starters, sure, or eight guys on defense or

718
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 1: you know, um, maybe less than I think, because usually

719
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: it's less than I think. But you can have a

720
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,719
Speaker 1: structure of a defense with with um, you know, Dexter Lawrence,

721
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 1: and and and Lendon Williams, with two or three guys

722
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 1: in the backfield, with Blake Martinez if he comes back

723
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 1: that yeah, I can see this working on defense. But

724
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 1: you know, look, Kenny Golladay is going to be on

725
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 1: the team, Kadarius Tony is going to be on the team. Um,

726
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 1: you know, they might have an all new tight end room.

727
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 1: I mean like all new tight end room. Fine, Um,

728
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: I think say Kwan Barkley will be on the team.

729
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 1: I think, I think right, unless the new guys come

730
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: in and say, look, I mean, you know, let's that's

731
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: out my vision. You know, look, if they hire one

732
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 1: of the forty nine gms, is his vision to have

733
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: one star running back? Maybe not right. Maybe he says, look,

734
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 1: that's not the way I want to structure my team.

735
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 1: These guys are inter changeable. We use them and abuse them.

736
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: You know, we bring them in, We we you know,

737
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: their third and fourth round picks. We bring them in,

738
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 1: We we get a good offensive line, we grind them,

739
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 1: and when they start going downhill, we replace them with

740
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 1: somebody else. They're interchangeable. That's not the say Kwan Barkley

741
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 1: way here right now. So you know, it depends, you know,

742
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 1: and and if the forty Niner guys bringing a coach

743
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 1: who has that vision, maybe say Chowan Barkley is not

744
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 1: on the team. How about the quarterback Paul. We've kind

745
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 1: of danced around it a little bit. You know, you

746
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 1: could talk about what you've seen from Daniel and in

747
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,719
Speaker 1: his first three years, the fifth year options coming up

748
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 1: the spring, they have to make the decision on that, obviously.

749
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 1: And the other thing that we've been talking a lot

750
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: about on our shows is, Okay, let's say for fans

751
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 1: that do want to go away from Daniel, you know

752
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 1: what's your alternative here? Right If you want to bring

753
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 1: in somebody as a free agent that can really compete,

754
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 1: you're looking at a fifteen million dollar a year player

755
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 1: probably right something in that in that neighborhood. You have

756
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:11,399
Speaker 1: to clear you have to get that type of money

757
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 1: under the cap to do it, which we talked about

758
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,879
Speaker 1: the cap situation. That's gonna be a tough thing to do. Um.

759
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 1: I had Tony Pauline on the Gihnt Huttle podcast last

760
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 1: week and he says his top rated quarterback in this

761
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 1: class is the twenty player on his board. So is

762
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 1: this the draft where you want to draft a quarterback?

763
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:28,879
Speaker 1: You know? Do you want to trade too high draft

764
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,760
Speaker 1: picks for a veteran? You know, what's the other avenue?

765
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 1: The alternative if you do want to move away from

766
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: Daniel this year. I just don't think there are any

767
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 1: easy answers there. Well that you know, that's interesting what

768
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: Tony Pauline said, because first of all, there will be

769
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 1: a quarterback taking before and you're gonna start hearing at

770
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 1: John pretty soon. Uh you know, Kenny Pickett or give

771
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:51,800
Speaker 1: me another name. But you know what I could, I

772
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 1: can tell you what it's gonna start. Every one of

773
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: these guys except for one, is going to be at

774
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl. So that's what it's gonna start. They're

775
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:01,839
Speaker 1: gonna I'm planning on being there and and somebody's gonna say, boy,

776
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,359
Speaker 1: he throws a nice ball. Oh man, he throws good.

777
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 1: He's somebody else, right, And good leadership this week, Paul.

778
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 1: Great leaders And I'm not saying he's Josh Allen, but

779
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 1: he has some Josh Allen qualities to him, right, you know,

780
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 1: did you see that side on throw. I'm not saying

781
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: he's Patrick Mahomes, but he does some Patrick Mahomes type things.

782
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 1: And all of a sudden, there we go. So but

783
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 1: you know what would in love flashbacks right now? By

784
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 1: the way, Yeah, and you know what, if you have

785
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 1: a guy ranked right, maybe you trade up in the

786
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 1: second from the second round, and you go, maybe, so

787
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 1: you do you don't use five and seven on a quarterback,

788
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 1: but maybe in the first pick of the second round

789
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 1: you take a quarterback right, and you say, well, you

790
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 1: know what it's it's not it's not just a flyer

791
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 1: on him. It's a guy that you have rated as

792
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 1: a first round pick. You take him there, and now

793
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: he's competition. But yeah, I agree. Look, the fifth year

794
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 1: option for Daniel Jones is you know, a nonstarter. You

795
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 1: can't guarantee him twenty one million dollars for three Uh

796
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: so you know. I you know, look, he's got to

797
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: play it out. He got hurt. Uh. Look, hovering over

798
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 1: all of this is House's neck. You know, we're assuming

799
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: his neck is okay and he can function and Daniel

800
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 1: Jones can come back. You know. If not, you know,

801
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 1: hopefully that's not the case, then it's a mood point.

802
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 1: But yeah, you can't do in anything but here, um,

803
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: any anyone but um Daniel Jones, anyone but him, anyone

804
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 1: but him. You know what I mean. We don't want Pat,

805
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: we don't want Joe Judge, you know, anyone but Joe Judge.

806
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 1: Who there's no you have to have a quarterback lining

807
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 1: up behind center in these games. So just the one

808
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: thing that drives me any But would fads say, well, John,

809
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 1: it can't be worse. I'm like, guys, did you not

810
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 1: live through one? Things can always get worse. They can

811
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,399
Speaker 1: always get worse, right, and and and and things can

812
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 1: get more expensive too. You know, you you're bringing a

813
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 1: guy who's getting more than Daniel Jones on the last

814
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 1: year of his rookie contract. So yeah, and when people say, look,

815
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: they have to bring in a veteran who can compete

816
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 1: with him, you know, we barely have enough starting quarterbacks

817
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 1: to go round in this league. So you know, you know,

818
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know who who people are thinking

819
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: about and they say, well, you need someone to come

820
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 1: in and compete with Daniel Jones. And then you start

821
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 1: putting name. You know, you know Marcus Mariota. Okay, he's

822
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 1: like the classic back up. He was what the second

823
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 1: pick in the draft? Um, you know he can do

824
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 1: things and you say, okay, let's run that back. Do

825
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 1: you want Marcus Mariota as your starting quarterback for the Giants?

826
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,760
Speaker 1: That's the only question, not is he better than Daniel Jones?

827
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,360
Speaker 1: Do you want him starting at quarterback for the Giants?

828
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: What level do you think he can take you too?

829
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 1: And when I say when I when I say by

830
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:49,359
Speaker 1: the lament more like the world that then football things

831
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 1: can always get worse. Um, all right, So we kind

832
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: of look back Paul with with with with the first

833
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: question to just give your overview. Now, just get before

834
00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 1: we wrap it up, let's let's give me your overview.

835
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 1: He you're moving forward, just kind of what you're thinking,

836
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: what your thoughts are heading into the off season, general

837
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:09,359
Speaker 1: thing where things are heading. The Paul Schwartz Crystal Ball

838
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 1: however you want to answer the question, feel free you

839
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 1: have at it. You know, the crystal ball is change, change,

840
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,799
Speaker 1: This is this was a a you know this will go.

841
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not saying this is gonna be a

842
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 1: springboard to more greatness, but this is a moment in

843
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 1: Giants history because they tried it. So you know they

844
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: tried it. Um, you know, Geentleman came in to replace

845
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 1: Jerry Reese. You know, they brought in Joe Judge, who

846
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 1: was an outsider, no question about it. But but you know,

847
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 1: you know the GM that they knew new head coach. Um,

848
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 1: this is new. This is you know, forty three years

849
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 1: since they brought in a GM with no types to

850
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 1: the Giants. Right, forty three years. That's a long time.

851
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: It's not my lifetime. I believe it's not my lifetime,

852
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,879
Speaker 1: but it's a long time. Uh So this is gonna

853
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 1: be tremendous change. Look, the new GM is gonna come

854
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 1: and and you know there's people in the front office

855
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 1: are going to be moved around. Right. Um, he's not

856
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: gonna fire the whole scouting staff because you can't do that,

857
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 1: but there will be changes after this draft cycle in

858
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: this scouting staff. And how they do things. Change in

859
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:18,800
Speaker 1: the front office. The new head coach will be from outside. Change.

860
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:21,839
Speaker 1: It's gonna be really interesting. You know, the Giants are

861
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 1: gonna look different. Maybe not on the field next year

862
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:26,959
Speaker 1: as far as you know the product, but it's gonna

863
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 1: be a new vision. Um. You know, the ownership had

864
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 1: to give up this and they gave it up, and

865
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a new vision. So Mike crystal Ball

866
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 1: is change. It's gonna look different, it's gonna feel different,

867
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 1: it's gonna sound different. You know, maybe the new GM

868
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 1: wants to have bi weekly press conferences. You know, I

869
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 1: don't know, you know what I mean. I mean, you

870
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:45,280
Speaker 1: know we we've used to these cms being being silent,

871
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: you know, sphinxes, you know, they never speak. They just

872
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 1: these people back there. You know. Maybe you know George

873
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: Young spoke, you know Earlie of course, so you could

874
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 1: walk up to in training camp you couldn't. You couldn't

875
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 1: shut him up half the time. Now, half the time

876
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: it was about the Mets or the Yankees and fun stuff.

877
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 1: But you have out the relationship. So change, change, change.

878
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 1: This is gonna be all new. It's gonna be different,

879
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:07,720
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be hard to follow, I think at times,

880
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 1: because it's gonna be hard to connect the dots. And

881
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 1: just to follow up on that, Paull, the Overton window,

882
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:14,319
Speaker 1: I think I'll use I'll use a political term. The

883
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 1: Overton window I think is widen tire. Right. You know,

884
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 1: we knew while Dave Gentlan was the GM that you know,

885
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 1: certain things we're gonna stay in place. Things weren't gonna change.

886
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 1: Even Joe Judges said, coach, you know how we felt

887
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 1: about Daniel Jones, for example. So he felt like the

888
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 1: you know, the Overton window of potential things that might

889
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: happen was a little bit more narrow. Right now with

890
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,720
Speaker 1: new GM, a new head coach is just wider, wider, wider.

891
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: There will be things that shock us. There will be

892
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:39,839
Speaker 1: things that shock us. There will be things that we'll

893
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 1: talk about another podcast to Holy Count. You know, Holy Count.

894
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 1: I thought he was saying, to think about that. I mean,

895
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 1: I mean we didn't even talk about that for an hour,

896
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And and and and they

897
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 1: did it. It's it's it's it's gonna happen, you know.

898
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 1: And and look, the organization needs change, There's no question

899
00:40:56,600 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 1: they need change. And they it needs and ands and

900
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 1: and I don't think there's anything too small or too

901
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 1: big that's on the table here. You know, I'm gonna

902
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:06,800
Speaker 1: give you a chance to have your own pull shorts

903
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:10,359
Speaker 1: ran here a little bit. Any misconceptions out there that

904
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 1: bother you, Paul about either how this thing has worked, what,

905
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,800
Speaker 1: how how this processes? You know, the way the Giants

906
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 1: front office functions, things like that, You're in a good

907
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 1: article a couple weeks ago about that that that that

908
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 1: that kind of bothers you with how people talk about

909
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 1: this that you think, you know might not necessarily be

910
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 1: accurate or true in terms of how fans think about

911
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: how the Giants organizations functions. And and it's kind of

912
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,720
Speaker 1: going through with these searches. Do I get eleven minutes?

913
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: You want to start the get these rants are eleven

914
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 1: minutes now right in length? Um Um, I'll do it

915
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:41,479
Speaker 1: a little shorter than that if I can. Um. Well,

916
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 1: it's just it's just um. Look, you said, you know,

917
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 1: I have I have, you know, issues about how people

918
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 1: perceive this franchises functioning. Look, I agree it's dysfunctional. You know,

919
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: it's not functioning properly. But there's a structure here in place,

920
00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 1: and I don't think, um um, the Giants are going

921
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,800
Speaker 1: they're hiring a general manager and and the general manager

922
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:05,439
Speaker 1: is going to have great input on the head coach.

923
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:07,840
Speaker 1: So the Giants aren't saying, look, we've just got to

924
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,359
Speaker 1: hire someone who's a gurup. Let it be the head coach.

925
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 1: He can run the show. They're not doing that. That's

926
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 1: their structure, that's what they believe in. Um. Look, I

927
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,879
Speaker 1: know rough a lot of people's feathers just this week

928
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 1: when it was announced that John mara Steve Tish are

929
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 1: in the room with the interview, and so's Chris marra Okay,

930
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: why is Chris Marray in the room? Chris Marray is

931
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 1: you know, he's really the GM. Look, he's really not

932
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:31,879
Speaker 1: the GM. He has no you know, as John marras

933
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:35,879
Speaker 1: said quite candidly, he has no authority here. Now that's

934
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,320
Speaker 1: not quite accurate as far as no authority, but Chris

935
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 1: marra is is on the back end of his coach,

936
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 1: of his scouting career. I think, um, uh, he has

937
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 1: good opinions on players. He does not put the players

938
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 1: on the draft board. Uh. His evaluations go into the

939
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 1: report system and and and they're in there. So I

940
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,280
Speaker 1: think people who you know, the whole Chris Mara, Aura,

941
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: Tim McDonald, or that there are there are guys in

942
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 1: the building that run the show who are related to

943
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 1: John is not accurate. Now, they are relatives of the owner.

944
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 1: I get that. And and you know what, if I

945
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:14,839
Speaker 1: owned the team, I would probably have people that I

946
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 1: was related to running, you know, in in in positions.

947
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean they're not worthy of it, and it

948
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 1: doesn't mean I'm going to give them undoe authority. When

949
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,240
Speaker 1: you become an owner, you have that right, okay now,

950
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 1: but they don't. They don't run the team. So I

951
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 1: had a problem with that. Um um, you know, I

952
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 1: did not think that Joe Judge was was do I

953
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 1: think he got a raw deal? Not necessarily, but um

954
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 1: you know, Joe Judge was told, we're going to be

955
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: patient with you. Okay, we've hired, we fired the last

956
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 1: two guys we had here after two years Ben mcadool,

957
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 1: less than two years. We're going to be patient with you.

958
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 1: If you say you need to build this up from

959
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 1: the bat from the bottom and build up the foundation,

960
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 1: and we might not be able to see the progress,

961
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 1: do it, know what I mean? So Joe didn't help

962
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,280
Speaker 1: himself down the stretch of this year, but he was told,

963
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: you can build this a certain way. And then they said, oh,

964
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 1: by the way, we have to get rid of the GM,

965
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 1: and now we don't want to have a new coach,

966
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 1: you know, an old coach and the new GM. So

967
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 1: you have to go. So they cut the rug out,

968
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 1: you know, they pulled a rogue out from under him

969
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 1: a little bit here, you know a little bit. I'm

970
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 1: not saying he deserved to come back, but he also

971
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 1: probably didn't deserve to be fired in the way that

972
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 1: he was because they told him we're going to be

973
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 1: patient and then they kind of changed at mid stream.

974
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 1: And Paul. By the way, John Mayre pretty much said

975
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 1: that in his press conference, right, He said it was

976
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 1: agonizing to walk down the hall to make that decision.

977
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 1: He just felt like, given with you. I don't want

978
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 1: to hear that. Yeah, I don't want to hear that.

979
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: You know what, It's much more agonizing for the person

980
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 1: in the office, you know. So I look, John maddis

981
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:49,359
Speaker 1: not John Mayra is not a tyrant here. He's not

982
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 1: a bad person who delights in firing people. We get that. Um,

983
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 1: I just think Um, sure, it's agonizing. I'm sure it

984
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 1: was not pleasant to tell Ben mcindoo he was fired

985
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 1: with four games to go in the season, and Jerry Reese,

986
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 1: who helped bring two Super Bowls here with four games

987
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 1: to go in the season. I get that, But um,

988
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:11,720
Speaker 1: it's more agonizing. As I wrote this in the post,

989
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 1: it's more agonizing for the people who get fired to

990
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,959
Speaker 1: have to go home and tell their wife and kids

991
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 1: that they're fired, versus the owner telling them that they're fired. So,

992
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I get it, but I'm not a big

993
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,359
Speaker 1: You don't know how hard this is for me. Um

994
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 1: rhetoric with with an owner or a boss. John, you

995
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 1: don't know how hard this is for me to tell

996
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 1: you that you're not gonna be working for the Giants anymore.

997
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 1: I'm sure, I'm sure. I'm sure it was very hard

998
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 1: for you, But it might be harder for John. The

999
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 1: point the point I was making no polls that I

1000
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 1: think in a John that was a that was a

1001
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 1: ramp in John Very's perfect world. He did not want

1002
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 1: to fire this head coach correctly, Correctly, It wasn't like

1003
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 1: we gotta get rid of we gotta get rid of him,

1004
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 1: and we gotta move on. Yes, I mean he the

1005
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:57,280
Speaker 1: agonizing was. Look I said, I wanted to be more patient.

1006
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 1: I wanted to be more patient. I think we can

1007
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 1: get a good coach out of Joe Judge here, but

1008
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 1: it's just not gonna be here. He's not gonna be

1009
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 1: with us. Yes, the timing is not good. And I

1010
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 1: wrote collateral damage. Um, in some ways, you know, very

1011
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 1: much was collateral damage because because of the failings of

1012
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 1: the general manager who you know, helped bring him in. Paul,

1013
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 1: tell the folks before we say goodbye when they can

1014
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 1: find you in and finally your good work. Well obviously

1015
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: New York Post newspaper, there is newspaper still around, right,

1016
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 1: um uh ny Post dot Com, Blue Rush podcast on

1017
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 1: As you say, what all your all the places you

1018
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 1: get your podcast, Apple, Spotify, the corner drug store, wherever

1019
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:39,439
Speaker 1: you buy podcasts nowadays, right the six pack of podcasts? Um, um, yeah,

1020
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:41,399
Speaker 1: I mean thanks for letting me do that, and um yeah,

1021
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: it's good. You know what John do is so much,

1022
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 1: so much, and you know what, this whole thing needs

1023
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 1: to change where we are talking about good things. And

1024
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:51,399
Speaker 1: I don't mean that as a homer. I mean it's

1025
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:56,320
Speaker 1: not healthy to be talking about bad losses, bad plays,

1026
00:46:56,520 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 1: bad coaching, bad gm NG, bad owning. You know, it's

1027
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 1: it's you know, we get into this to kind of

1028
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 1: write and talk about exciting things. We've both been a

1029
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 1: part of that and written about that and talked about that.

1030
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 1: And it's unhealthy. You know, the environment. You you're in

1031
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 1: the building, the environment is unhealthy. It needs to be

1032
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 1: fumigated and have them start being a franchise where they

1033
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 1: start talking about things like you have me on today

1034
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 1: and we talk about who the Giants play next week

1035
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 1: and if I think they can go on the road

1036
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 1: and win a divisional playoff matchup, that's what we're here for. Yeah,

1037
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 1: Me and everyone else in this building, trust me, would

1038
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 1: love that to be the case. Hopefully sooner rather than later. Paul,

1039
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 1: good stuff man. We'll talk to you soon. Thanks John.

1040
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: That's an episode of the John's Little Podcast. You thank

1041
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:39,840
Speaker 1: Paul Schwartz for joining us. Will see you next time. Everybody,