1 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:08,559 Speaker 1: Hey, Colts fans, I'm JJ Stankavitz and welcome into another 2 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 1: episode of The Colts Show in Indianapolis. Colts Podcast Get 3 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:16,920 Speaker 1: us on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, on YouTube. We love hearing 4 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 1: all the feedback we got from the first show on 5 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:22,760 Speaker 1: YouTube on social media. Thanks to everyone who watched that 6 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 1: with Chris Ballard and Shane Stike and check it out 7 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 1: if you haven't already, be sure to check out the 8 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: first two episodes A High Volume with Jeffrey Gorman as well. 9 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 1: Those are in your feeds and on YouTube as well. 10 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 1: Coming up on today's episode, I had a chance to 11 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 1: sit down with Colts linebackers coach James Betcher, and I 12 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:42,239 Speaker 1: gotta tell you, like, my favorite people to talk to 13 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,559 Speaker 1: in a building in a football building are usually the 14 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 1: assistant coaches because they have such a wealth of experience 15 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: and moments that they've had during their careers. And talking 16 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: to James, we started off talking about him being a 17 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: first time NFL coach in a room where he's got 18 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: to provide information to Robert Mathis and Dwight Freeney. In 19 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:08,319 Speaker 1: twenty twelve, when James Becher was here as the Colts 20 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 1: outside linebackers coach, We got into a lot in this 21 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 1: a lot of stuff about the twenty twelve season. Really interesting, 22 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:18,679 Speaker 1: his perspective on that very special year here in Indianapolis 23 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 1: with Chuck Pagano, Bruce Arians obviously, and also if you 24 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:24,039 Speaker 1: missed that episode of High Volume with Jeffrey Gorman with 25 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:27,279 Speaker 1: Bruce Arians, that was the debut episode came out last week. 26 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:29,960 Speaker 1: We also talked a little bit about his experience with 27 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:32,680 Speaker 1: lou Anarumo, and then we had a really great conversation 28 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 1: about just a linebacker play in twenty twenty five where 29 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:38,959 Speaker 1: I brought up a moment from a Bears game in 30 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen when he used to cover the Bears that 31 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 1: he was like, oh yeah, I got that one on film. 32 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: A really good conversation with linebackers coach James Betcher. 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Joining me here on the Colt Show 55 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 1: is Colts linebackers coach James Betcher. You got my text 56 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 1: about what to wear, so thank you appreciate it. Just 57 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 1: one to match, yep. I mean it looks great obviously 58 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:16,799 Speaker 1: to what they say. I mean, we get so much 59 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 1: free gear, like from the team that's all branded, so 60 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 1: inevitably this is going to happen at some point. I'm 61 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 1: glad that on our second episode with one of our 62 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 1: first guests we've had on the show. We're matching here 63 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:31,239 Speaker 1: on set. I was talking to you before we started 64 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 1: recording about the first year you were here. So you 65 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 1: were here in twenty twelve, as I believe, as a 66 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 1: special assistant to Chuck Pagano. You're out coaching outside linebackers 67 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: and that was your first NFL job. Yeah, you were 68 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: in a room with a Hall of Famer Dwight Freeney, 69 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: Robert mathis a guy who, for my money, should be 70 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame, Jerry Hughes, he was a 71 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: first dround pick, A couple other guys had some success 72 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: in the NFL. What did they teach you from like 73 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: day one about coaching in the NFL and what the 74 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: highest of high level football players need out of their 75 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 1: position coach. 76 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 3: I totally remember the very first meeting were installing quarters coverage. 77 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 3: And you have Robert and Dwight, who had been like 78 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 3: four to three defensive ends rushing off the edge, wrecking games, 79 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 3: hands and dirt for years, and we were in this 80 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 3: process of you know, building like more of a hybrid 81 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 3: style defense at the time, and Robert actually wanted to 82 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 3: call our meeting room the hybrids. He didn't want to 83 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:32,840 Speaker 3: be called an outside linebacker. He woulded to be called 84 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:35,839 Speaker 3: a hybrid because he felt like that just better dictated 85 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 3: who he was. 86 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 2: And I love that about him. 87 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 3: But I'm sitting there, I'm installing the coverage, and I 88 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 3: look down and I think it was that moment I'm like, 89 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 3: these dudes are right notes like I got Robert math 90 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:50,039 Speaker 3: is listening to me, Dwight's listening to me, Jerry's up 91 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 3: there like they're writing notes. 92 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 2: So I must have something of value to add in. 93 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:57,720 Speaker 3: But I think having a room like that as a 94 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 3: first time anything and being around elite players and the 95 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 3: process that elite players have, it's how you grow and 96 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 3: if you're you know, we talk about it in every 97 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 3: position room I've ever had. As a coordinator in this league, 98 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,040 Speaker 3: I've talked about it to our players. Is like maximizing 99 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 3: your moment. It's no different as a coach, like wherever 100 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,280 Speaker 3: you're at, have your feet on the ground, be dialed in. 101 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:23,160 Speaker 3: There's something you can get out of whatever you're in. 102 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:26,720 Speaker 3: I remember I was a graduate assistant at the University 103 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 3: of North Carolina and I'd went up and visited Chuck 104 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:31,840 Speaker 3: Pagana when he was coaching at the Ravens, and so 105 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:33,840 Speaker 3: I had a chance to sit in the linebacker meeting room, 106 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 3: and in that linebacker room was none other than none 107 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,679 Speaker 3: other than one of the greatest of all time, Ray Lewis. 108 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 3: So Ray's sitting there and he's just taken and this 109 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 3: is like year twelve or something for him, and he's 110 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 3: just taking notes and taking notes. And you observe that, 111 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:54,279 Speaker 3: you know, like he's had this install fifty times, maybe 112 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 3: one hundred times, and he's still taking notes on it. 113 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:00,120 Speaker 3: And that was Robert, that was Dwyightey, that was Jerry, 114 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 3: that was the work ethic. And I think that just 115 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 3: tells you your preparation being in the moment wherever you're at, 116 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 3: maximizing whatever you can get out of whatever you're doing. 117 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 3: And you learn from that and you share that message on. 118 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 3: You could go to Cincinnati and talk to Logan and 119 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 3: Jermaine and would they would tell you about stories. I'd 120 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 3: tell them about working with Robert or working with Dwight 121 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:28,720 Speaker 3: and being around elite players and what anate player looks like. 122 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:31,719 Speaker 3: And because if we can share that with other players, 123 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 3: we can help them elevate their game. 124 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 1: I mean starting off with those two guys and rob 125 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: made the Pro Bowl that year in an incredible year. 126 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 1: As that year went on, though, you know, you talked 127 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 1: about that first meeting of like okay, they're taking notes, 128 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:47,719 Speaker 1: like I must be here for a reason. As that 129 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 1: year went on, like how did your understanding of what 130 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 1: they needed sort of grow and develop over that year? 131 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:57,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they had elite skill sets as rushers, 132 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:01,280 Speaker 3: but what they had to develop and understand is where 133 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 3: they fit into the big picture of what we were 134 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 3: trying to do on defense. And that's what I know 135 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 3: that I could afford to them and give to them, 136 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 3: and so I could lean into that. Then on the 137 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 3: other side of things as rushers, as a coach, if 138 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 3: you're not learning from your players and how they learn 139 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 3: or what they're doing, or their fundamentals and techniques that 140 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 3: they already have inn use, it's crazy and you would 141 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 3: be crazy if you're not learning from that. And I 142 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 3: think that's where I grew was learning. You know, you're 143 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 3: when you're working the one hand, stab or Roberts like 144 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 3: dip speed rush, move on the edge, Like what are 145 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 3: you looking at pre snap? How do you know you're 146 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 3: trying to get to your third step or your fifth step, 147 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 3: or if you're flipping your feet and you're trying to 148 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 3: get to your second or fourth step, like when when 149 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 3: do you do that? And then those intricate details that 150 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 3: are everything, but they're super small and you're trying to 151 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 3: take those from them. That's what I'm trying to take 152 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 3: from them and trying to at the same time give 153 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 3: them something and you know, build trust and understanding and 154 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 3: a relationship. 155 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 1: Did you ever have a moment, I mean maybe outside 156 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 1: of that first time are you talking about like, oh, 157 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 1: you know, they're taking notes. Did you ever a moment 158 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 1: where it hit you that like, I really do I 159 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: belong here? I belong in the NFL? Or did do 160 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 1: you have to kind of operate with that mindset as 161 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 1: a first year NFL head coach to just fit in 162 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: in the building and be respected within the building. 163 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 3: I think in this league it is what have you 164 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:28,679 Speaker 3: done for me lately? 165 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 2: Period? 166 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 3: And that's what it is for players, is what it 167 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 3: is for coaches. And we have to have something that 168 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 3: we provide every day in our jobs of value to 169 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 3: those that were around, and that is giving, not just taking. 170 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,560 Speaker 3: And so I think that's just what was my mindset, 171 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 3: and that's kind of what that's kind of how I 172 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 3: was raised from a small town in northern Indiana and 173 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 3: my dad was a farmer, welder, mechanic. My mom worked 174 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 3: in a daughter's office, worked two jobs at night just 175 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 3: to try to, you know, take care of us. And 176 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:02,719 Speaker 3: I'm the youngest of six and the first person in 177 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 3: my family go to college. So you're built with that 178 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 3: mentality of you gotta have your hand in the pile 179 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 3: and give something. You got to bring something to the table. 180 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:15,679 Speaker 3: And I think early on in my career that's all 181 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:17,319 Speaker 3: I ever did. When I was in college coach and 182 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 3: I was working myself up through the ranks to Saint 183 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 3: Frances the Bowling Green, to New Hampshire, to Ball State, 184 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:24,319 Speaker 3: to the university, like all these different places. I think 185 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 3: that's what we learn along the way, is like we 186 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:30,320 Speaker 3: need to provide something, and that is give to others 187 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 3: and serve others. And that's how one you build value 188 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 3: where you're at and two that's how you get you 189 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 3: get people to trust you, is because they feel and 190 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 3: see the genuine nature of what you're about. 191 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 1: Did you have much connection to the Colts before that 192 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 1: twenty twelve gig like, did you go, because I know 193 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 1: that they moved here when you were probably what like five. 194 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:53,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was super young when they moved here. Honestly, 195 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 3: I don't remember that. But here's what I know. Here's 196 00:09:56,320 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 3: my connection. My dad had the most gaudy blue Colts 197 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 3: sweatsuit of all time. It was complete blue and it 198 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 3: said Colts down that he was a huge Colts fan, 199 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 3: Colts down the right leg and it had like a 200 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 3: helmet logo in the middle with the shoot. I mean 201 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 3: it was. They were the bluest sweat sweatsuit ever. He 202 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:21,839 Speaker 3: loved wearing that sweatsuit and he was a big fan. 203 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 3: I remember coming to my first game with him at 204 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 3: the RCIA Dome, sitting up in the end zone corner 205 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 3: with one of my good friends and his dad and 206 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 3: my dad. It was my first game I went to 207 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 3: with him. So, yeah, I had a connection with the 208 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 3: Colts before I came here. And that's you know, being 209 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:40,439 Speaker 3: from Indiana. Certainly, what was the game you went to? 210 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 1: Do you remember? 211 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 2: I don't really, I was. I was looking at that 212 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 2: the other day. I was like, what game was? 213 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 3: I actually texted my buddy that I was with Neil 214 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:50,440 Speaker 3: Rush and he's, uh, He's like, man, I don't remember 215 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:53,320 Speaker 3: what the game was either, but I remember where we 216 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 3: were sitting. I remember we went down to I think 217 00:10:56,280 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 3: it was called the the little indoor like it's used 218 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 3: to call it the train station downtown. We were walking 219 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 3: around and you know, we hadn't been to India a 220 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:09,199 Speaker 3: lot of times, so it was all neat for. 221 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 1: Us, even in from the you know, when you're here 222 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 1: for a year and twelve to now where you're here 223 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: back thirteen years later, has anything like amazed you about 224 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 1: the growth of this city, about the growth of this 225 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 1: franchise within this city during that time. 226 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you walk around the building and you 227 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 3: see the things that are new that are different, from 228 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 3: the new cafeteria, to the weight room, to the expansion 229 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 3: of the training area, to how the meeting rooms have 230 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 3: been changed and constructed and really opened up. Certainly feel 231 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 3: that when you walk around the building, you feel different, 232 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 3: a completely different vibe from that standpoint that you know, 233 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 3: everything that has been going on here is to try 234 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 3: to move forward to progress. Then when you drive, you know, 235 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 3: we used to live, we lived in Zionsville. 236 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 2: My wife. 237 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 3: It was just my wife and I and our youngest 238 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 3: or excuse me, our oldest who was one at the time, 239 00:11:57,160 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 3: and we lived in the Zionsville area. We rented this 240 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 3: like a apartment up there, but we were driving around 241 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:05,559 Speaker 3: when we first came over and started looking. It's unbelievable 242 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:08,079 Speaker 3: how much things have grown. It's like, I think we 243 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:10,599 Speaker 3: were as far north as you could go in Zionsville 244 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 3: are where for the most part, things were being built. 245 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 3: And now that's there's like, you know, another three miles 246 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 3: of homes, you know, north of where we live. 247 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 2: So it's it's pretty cool to see how things have changed. 248 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 1: What's your best Bruce Arians story? 249 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 3: Best Bruce Arians story? The thing I always say about 250 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 3: Ba is this he was is still is because he 251 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:40,439 Speaker 3: still pours into people. But he was an unbelievable developer 252 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 3: of those who are around him. When after, you know, 253 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 3: Chuck unfortunately got sick and Chuck was. They were so 254 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:50,959 Speaker 3: similar in those ways. Chuck was the same type, is 255 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:54,680 Speaker 3: the same type of person. He just he he pours 256 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 3: into people, and so Chuck gets sick, and so one 257 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 3: of my roles was just kind of helping Orger and eyes. 258 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:04,080 Speaker 3: Our practice plans are scheduling what situational things we're gonna do, 259 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:06,840 Speaker 3: what things at practice, we're gonna do my two minute standpoint. 260 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:08,079 Speaker 2: I did that with Chuck a lot. 261 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 3: Then I coach the outside linebackers, and so when Bruce 262 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:14,560 Speaker 3: took over, those were things I started because I didn't 263 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:17,440 Speaker 3: know Ba before he came here. Was that was my 264 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 3: first experience ever meeting him and he's like, you know, 265 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 3: he would say, hey, kid, come over here. I said, yes, sir, 266 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 3: and he's like, we're gonna watch all these two minutes together. 267 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 3: They're going to show the team. So I have the 268 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:31,200 Speaker 3: cut up. I was getting ready and making I'm like, hey, 269 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 3: here's a good situation. We could show the team this today, this, this, this. 270 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 3: He's like, all right, yeah, you're gonna show it to him. 271 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 3: And we were five minutes from walking to the meeting. 272 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:43,200 Speaker 3: I said, what are we What am I doing? He's like, no, 273 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:45,679 Speaker 3: you're gonna show up him, explain all the situation offense defense, 274 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 3: what we'd be in on offense defense. Because he had 275 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 3: told me, hey, we'd be in this, this and this. 276 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 3: I'm writing notes down. He's like, I want you to 277 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 3: present it. I'm like okay. So then that became my thing, 278 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:58,560 Speaker 3: and what he was doing was that's the game. The 279 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 3: game is like you got to be repaired, but like 280 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 3: it's going to happen, It's going to happen fast, and 281 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 3: how are you ready prepare for your moment? Then what 282 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:08,079 Speaker 3: it is? You do what you know? So I went 283 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 3: in the meeting and presented it. It went well, and 284 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 3: those that's what I became. I became like the situational 285 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 3: master each week and he had me do that, and 286 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 3: he helped me grow and develop. And at first you 287 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 3: don't really you're just trying to get the job done. 288 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 3: But when you look back on it, the perspective you 289 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 3: have is, wow, how much I was able to grow 290 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 3: from having those opportunities to help, you know, ultimately coach 291 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 3: the team. And you appreciated that and I love that 292 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 3: about him. And that's what he did. He took me 293 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 3: to Arizona with him, and a year and a half 294 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 3: later he gives me an opportunity to be a coordinator 295 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 3: and the whole time I'm doing that, he's pouring into 296 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 3: me and he has ever since then. 297 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 1: So be special that twenty twelve year where you know 298 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 1: you're brought in. You mentioned you met Chuck up in Baltimore, 299 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 1: you come here and that that whole year kind of 300 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 1: felt like everyone really just banding together. Yeah, where you know, 301 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 1: after he gets sick, you're talking about your role then 302 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 1: becomes this like what was the feeling like in the 303 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 1: building of everyone kind of all right, let let's do 304 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 1: it for Chuck. Let's do it for Chuck. Like what 305 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 1: was that like for you guys as coaches? 306 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 3: You know, if you remember, Bruce had one of his 307 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 3: one of the offensive assistants by these this switch, these 308 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 3: little plastic pieces that held light switches in place, and 309 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 3: he left Chuck's light on and Chuck's light was never 310 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 3: turned off in his office, and he had this plastic 311 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 3: piece he put on the switch, so even when someone 312 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 3: came in to clean it after cleaning, they couldn't. No 313 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 3: one could ever turn his light off. And that was 314 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 3: our mentality. I don't think there'll ever be a team. 315 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 3: And Bruce talked about this to our team at the time. 316 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 3: It's like, the best teams are the teams that are 317 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 3: connected and galvanized, and our galvanized and our connection was 318 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 3: the cause for Chuck. And it was you know, our 319 00:15:57,240 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 3: team played for Chuck, and our team. 320 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 2: Played through that. 321 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 3: You know, you think of you know, Reggie's orange Glove 322 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 3: game to you know, draw powers in the Packers game 323 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 3: with the interception the second half that really flipped us 324 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 3: and got us going. We beat Jacksonville late, we beat 325 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 3: you know, Andrew leads us on the two minute. We 326 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 3: have the end of game in Detroit where I think 327 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 3: it's Vic jumps across the goal line at the very 328 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 3: end of the game. Like these are all goalt but 329 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 3: it's all galvanized on a cause. And when a team's 330 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 3: connected and they have a common cause, teams can be special. 331 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: That's got to be a pretty cool lesson to look 332 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 1: back on from your first year at this level. And 333 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 1: you know you've been a part of some pretty good 334 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 1: teams obviously in Arizona, you know those you know in Cincinnati, 335 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 1: Like those lessons have to be kind of enduring of 336 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 1: that that you can present to players, to other coaches 337 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 1: over the coase of your coaching, of course, of your coaching. 338 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 3: Crek excuse me, Yeah, no, there's no doubt you're exactly 339 00:16:58,120 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 3: right with that. 340 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 2: And that's that's what we do. 341 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 3: Is you know, like wherever you're at and your moment, 342 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:06,680 Speaker 3: you're maximizing it by just being engaged, being there, being 343 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:08,920 Speaker 3: the best you can be in that moment. Then you 344 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 3: take that and you stack that as part of who 345 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 3: you are and your identity, and you take and you 346 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:15,879 Speaker 3: share that with other people and you give. And that 347 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:17,639 Speaker 3: was kind of like what I was talking about with 348 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 3: like Logan or Jermaine, the two linebackers I had in Cincinnati. 349 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 3: I'm telling them stories, or I'm sitting talking with Fred 350 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 3: Warner and Arizona about like stories about players I've been 351 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:28,640 Speaker 3: around or who he's been around, and we all grow 352 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:31,160 Speaker 3: and we reciprocate that back and forth to each other. 353 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:33,640 Speaker 3: And you do that with coaches too. You know, there's 354 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 3: a lot of coaches. I mean, you'd be crazy not 355 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:38,680 Speaker 3: to just sit down and listen and hear. I think 356 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 3: I played for Kevin Donald, like the University of Saint 357 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 3: Francis and Fort Way, Indiana, and he said, just make 358 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 3: sure in this profession you just shut. 359 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:46,679 Speaker 2: Up and listen. 360 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:49,719 Speaker 3: You know, just don't be afraid to shut up and 361 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 3: just be quiet and take it in and listen and 362 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:55,400 Speaker 3: actually hear what people are telling you because it'll help 363 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:59,719 Speaker 3: you grow and there'll be never another, you know, twenty twelve, 364 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 3: that's a year like that is special. 365 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:03,640 Speaker 2: It's a once in a lifetime thing. 366 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 3: You know, you get around the coaches, you went through 367 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:08,119 Speaker 3: that with the players, you went through that with, and 368 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:12,119 Speaker 3: you have something that's common and obviously you know Chuck's 369 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:15,479 Speaker 3: you know, it's like the Chuck Strong is coming up 370 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 3: here and that's that's pretty amazing. And it's just special, 371 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 3: you know, unfortunate but special at the same time to 372 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:24,200 Speaker 3: have something like that that. 373 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:24,919 Speaker 2: You're part of. 374 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 1: You talked about Cincinnati a little bit. What's something about 375 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 1: lou Anarrumo that maybe most people don't know. 376 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 3: Most people don't know. I mean, he has an unbelievable energy. 377 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 3: Like like you, I think you would maybe think he's quiet, 378 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:42,920 Speaker 3: you know, calm, but he is gonna coach guys hard. 379 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 3: He's going to demand and the guys are gonna love 380 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:49,360 Speaker 3: playing for him because he's gonna build strong relationships with him. 381 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 2: He's gonna respect their. 382 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 3: Opinions, but he's he's gonna be tough. And what the 383 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 3: product was and what he wanted the defense to be 384 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 3: was a defense that was gonna be tougher. You know, 385 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 3: we played in the AFC North and you had to 386 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 3: be tough to play in that division. And that's the 387 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:09,719 Speaker 3: type of defenses he built, you know, And and ultimately 388 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 3: won a lot of games in Cincinnati because of the 389 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:15,640 Speaker 3: type of defenses that him and the players had put 390 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:18,680 Speaker 3: together over the years he was there. You know, he's 391 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 3: a great friend of mine. We've worked together at a couple 392 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 3: of places, and you know, I'm I'm lucky, and I 393 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:24,880 Speaker 3: appreciate our friendship. 394 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 1: With the way that he schemes things up. I mean, 395 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 1: I know players in since he called him a bad scientist, 396 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 1: and that is as a coach, how does that challenge 397 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 1: you when you might have to, you know, coach a 398 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 1: different scheme every week, a different technique every week, just 399 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 1: to fit it to the opponent that you're facing. 400 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:46,199 Speaker 3: Yeah, I love it because that's what I'm all about. 401 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 3: And we you know, him and I that's that's why 402 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 3: we have such a great right. We see the game 403 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:52,400 Speaker 3: so similar, and we see the needs of the game 404 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 3: and the needs of what we need to do on 405 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 3: defense to be offensive on defense. 406 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 2: And that's what he is. 407 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 3: And and it's constructed though in a way that our 408 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:05,719 Speaker 3: players don't have to learn new techniques every week. 409 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 2: We teach scheme. 410 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 3: Then we plug those little intricate details and schemes and 411 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 3: techniques into big packages. So there's a lot of same 412 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:19,400 Speaker 3: ads in the teaching. So you might have a technique 413 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 3: that you use in this call, but you're also going 414 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 3: to use in this call, and hey, this week, we're 415 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 3: going to do this, But that's just this technique that 416 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 3: you already know, and we have just a lot of 417 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 3: same ads. That way, we can build some complexity with 418 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:35,160 Speaker 3: simplicity at the same time. And that's what's fun about 419 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 3: That's why the players love doing it. That's why they 420 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:39,640 Speaker 3: call them a mad scientist because it's fun and they're 421 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:42,640 Speaker 3: doing a lot of things, and you know, you get 422 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 3: to be a versatile player in this system. You get 423 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 3: to do different things, you get to present issues for 424 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 3: offenses in this system, and that's why it's a lot 425 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:52,879 Speaker 3: of fun, a lot of fun to coach in. And 426 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:55,160 Speaker 3: it'd be great and fun for our players to plan. 427 00:20:55,560 --> 00:21:00,359 Speaker 1: Where has the off ball linebacker position evolved your time 428 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 1: in the NFL. 429 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 3: The game has changed so much. It used to be 430 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 3: big personnel groupings that made like big looking formations, and 431 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 3: now the game is they might be big personnel groupings 432 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:15,120 Speaker 3: or small, but everything is space oriented and the game 433 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 3: is so space it's a space game and they try 434 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 3: to as the wider the field gets or the wider 435 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,679 Speaker 3: the offense creates the field, the more space the linebackers 436 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,200 Speaker 3: have to play in. And that is the biggest thing 437 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:28,879 Speaker 3: over you know, the last five to ten years that 438 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:31,119 Speaker 3: this league is is this the space play that you 439 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:35,200 Speaker 3: have to be able to operate in? That's one and two. 440 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 3: Just as systems become you know, maybe the word is complex, 441 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:44,400 Speaker 3: but have layers to them, the linebacker positions become more 442 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:47,879 Speaker 3: and more of a quarterback. You know, just the mindset 443 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 3: of the player, how smart they have to be, how 444 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 3: able they have to be able to lead on the move, 445 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 3: not just in the locker room, not just you know, 446 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 3: stand in front of the team, but on the field 447 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:02,200 Speaker 3: as things happen, and being problem solvers during the course 448 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 3: of a game. I think those are the two things 449 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 3: that that that's really shifted and changed in that position. 450 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:13,639 Speaker 1: The what makes for a good linebacker blitz line like 451 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 1: And I know that's a very broad question because that 452 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 1: can be a number of different. 453 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:19,399 Speaker 3: Ways, but I had like ten things popping out of 454 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:22,359 Speaker 3: my head. I can say the one a good linebacker 455 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 3: blitz lets the linebacker just get downhill. 456 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 2: And attack the line of scrimmage. 457 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:30,359 Speaker 3: That's the best there's a lot of different patterns, and 458 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 3: there's right, there's picks, there's rubs, there's you know, cross dogs, 459 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:36,360 Speaker 3: There's all these different. 460 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 2: Things you can do. 461 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 1: Coffee my favorite. 462 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, you can coffee hows. You can pop out, act 463 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 3: like you act like you're dropping then go right coffee house. 464 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 1: But when that hits, by the way, that is like 465 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 1: one of the most pesthetically you can see. 466 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fun. 467 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 3: I've had a player once that said I want a 468 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:53,199 Speaker 3: coffee house blitz. So I wrote it up on the 469 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 3: board coffee house by the Monday night football game because 470 00:22:57,840 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 3: he said he like wanted to do it on a 471 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 3: prime time game because he wanted to try to do 472 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 3: exactly what you said. 473 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 2: So we put it in and it actually failed. 474 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 1: But for our listeners or viewers, I guess the coffee 475 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 1: house s blitz is where a linebacker fakes like he's blitzing, 476 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,959 Speaker 1: kind of turns to fake like he's dropping out, and 477 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 1: then does blitz and the goal is to get like 478 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 1: the guard to take his eyes off him. Yeah, and 479 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,200 Speaker 1: funny you mentioned that the first one I saw hit, 480 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 1: that's like ingrained in my head. I used to cover 481 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 1: the Bears and Danny Trevathan hit one on Monday Night Football. 482 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 2: Got it on tape. You have that exactly. 483 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 1: Against Washington, and I remember seeing that and being like 484 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 1: that was one of the most esthetically pleasing things I've 485 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 1: ever seen on a football field. 486 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:39,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty cool. It's pretty cool. 487 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:41,959 Speaker 3: But I think just overall, like get downhill, let him 488 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,360 Speaker 3: attack the line of scrimmage. So they're blitzing and going fast, 489 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:48,640 Speaker 3: you know, like you blitz for different reasons. Sometimes, yeah, 490 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:50,919 Speaker 3: it's perfect if you beat a protection, you get a 491 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:54,639 Speaker 3: free runner. But sometimes your players can go, so your 492 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:58,119 Speaker 3: players can attack and you're not sitting and keying and reading. 493 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,199 Speaker 3: You're attacking the offense and you're trying to take the 494 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 3: fight to them. And so I think that's that's why 495 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:06,880 Speaker 3: I like I like pressure, And that's one. 496 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,639 Speaker 1: Of the reasons when when when guys get back in 497 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:13,439 Speaker 1: the building for the off season program next week, what 498 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 1: what is that first maybe month stretch before you get 499 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 1: on the grass for OTAs. What does that look like? 500 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 1: What is going on in James Betcher's room. 501 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,440 Speaker 3: Well, I think the first thing we're doing is we're 502 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 3: re establishing the standard. You know, there is a standard 503 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 3: here and it's the standard will be here. It was 504 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,680 Speaker 3: here before I got here, to'll be here long after 505 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,920 Speaker 3: I'm here. It's the cult standard and just re establishing 506 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 3: that and talking about that. What are we going to 507 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 3: look like as linebackers in twenty twenty five? What is 508 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,400 Speaker 3: our room going to look like? And I'm gonna talk 509 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 3: about things. Then our players are going to talk about things. 510 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:49,119 Speaker 3: What do you want this room to look like? Because Okay, 511 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 3: now we know what we want it to look like. 512 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 3: Here's the things we need to do to make that happen. 513 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:55,879 Speaker 3: And that's gonna be one of the first things we 514 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 3: talk about. We have some film to watch. We have 515 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 3: and all the film that will watch, it'll be man, 516 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:05,159 Speaker 3: it'll be the guys in the room doing those things. 517 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 3: It'll be some guys on some other teams doing those things. 518 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,119 Speaker 3: So it'll be guys in some other sports doing those things. 519 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 3: And ultimately it's building the imagery of what we're going 520 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 3: to be about. Then from there then it's scheme, but 521 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 3: it's identity first. It's building identity in our room. Then 522 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,359 Speaker 3: then we'll certainly get into details of the scheme and 523 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 3: techniques and all that. 524 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 1: We'll have plenty of time to talk about all of 525 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,239 Speaker 1: those with you and with Lou and with all the 526 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 1: coaches later, but James appreciate the time than the show.