WEBVTT - 25W: Most Memorable Conversations from 2025 PT2 0:00:04.200 --> 0:00:08.440 It's a podcast call twenty five WIST stuck in parts 0:00:08.840 --> 0:00:10.119 and they go a whizz. 0:00:10.200 --> 0:00:11.560 So, yeah, it's too. 0:00:11.160 --> 0:00:13.360 Bad, But what did you expect? 0:00:13.440 --> 0:00:16.320 It's a podcast call twenty five WIST. 0:00:16.360 --> 0:00:22.400 So twenty line. We've had some awesome guests sit down 0:00:22.440 --> 0:00:25.440 with us all through twenty twenty five. So let's look 0:00:25.480 --> 0:00:28.280 back at some of our favorite interviews that maybe you missed. 0:00:28.720 --> 0:00:32.200 First up, ESPN senior writer and New York Times best 0:00:32.200 --> 0:00:35.640 selling author Seth Wickersham. Set's one of the best long 0:00:35.640 --> 0:00:38.000 form NFL storytellers out there. He put out a book 0:00:38.000 --> 0:00:41.479 called American Kings, a Biography of the Quarterback, So we 0:00:41.560 --> 0:00:44.720 talked about a lot of quarterbacks. Big thanks to Seth. 0:00:44.800 --> 0:00:47.960 Here he is, Seth Wickersham. All right, Seth Wickersham is 0:00:48.000 --> 0:00:48.560 on with us. 0:00:48.720 --> 0:00:50.319 Great to see you, man, good to be here. 0:00:50.400 --> 0:00:53.120 Yeah, congratulations on the book. Let's talk about arch Manning 0:00:53.159 --> 0:00:55.600 for a second. And you know you write about how 0:00:55.600 --> 0:00:59.480 how ruthless the recruitment was, how did they settle on Texas? 0:00:59.640 --> 0:01:02.480 So go with the book. You know, what I wanted 0:01:02.520 --> 0:01:04.080 to do was show what it's like to do this 0:01:04.280 --> 0:01:08.080 very uniquely American job, very unique American responsibilities at like 0:01:08.120 --> 0:01:11.520 every level from current high school to college, pro retired 0:01:11.560 --> 0:01:14.480 Hall of Famer and Arch was interesting to me because, 0:01:14.840 --> 0:01:17.559 you know, it was a window into this entire iconic 0:01:17.640 --> 0:01:20.280 quarterback family, and so I was able to kind of 0:01:20.319 --> 0:01:22.280 like or I was hoping to try to tell the 0:01:22.440 --> 0:01:26.400 entire Manning story through Arch and specifically through Arch's recruitment, 0:01:26.520 --> 0:01:31.880 and it got so competitive. I think that, like even 0:01:31.959 --> 0:01:34.920 being there, it was interesting just to see, especially in 0:01:34.959 --> 0:01:38.399 the NIL era, how hot it got for Arch. You know, 0:01:38.520 --> 0:01:42.039 I think that it came down to Alabama, Georgia, and Texas. 0:01:42.280 --> 0:01:44.960 The reasons why he picked Texas were I think they 0:01:45.000 --> 0:01:47.960 were pretty wise. I mean, in no particular order. Number One, 0:01:47.960 --> 0:01:50.680 Steve Sarkigian he's the play caller and the head coach, 0:01:50.720 --> 0:01:52.560 so he's not going anywhere. He's not gonna be one 0:01:52.600 --> 0:01:54.160 of these guys who gets poached to be a head 0:01:54.200 --> 0:01:57.680 coach somewhere else. Number Two, he really liked that Texas 0:01:57.800 --> 0:01:59.160 might you know, was going to be a team on 0:01:59.200 --> 0:02:02.360 the upswing. Here's a chance to win a national championship there. 0:02:02.440 --> 0:02:03.760 It kind of helped elevate it. 0:02:04.720 --> 0:02:06.320 He liked that it was at school. 0:02:06.000 --> 0:02:08.560 That had a ton of talent, and I think after 0:02:08.600 --> 0:02:10.600 being at eastand or Newman which is obviously a pretty 0:02:10.880 --> 0:02:13.800 pretty small school in New Orleans. He wanted to be 0:02:13.880 --> 0:02:17.639 on a team that had, you know, other five star players. 0:02:17.800 --> 0:02:19.360 And then finally, and this is the one that I 0:02:19.440 --> 0:02:22.359 personally find the most interesting, is that, you know, Austin's 0:02:22.360 --> 0:02:24.440 a big enough city, you don't even call it a 0:02:24.440 --> 0:02:26.360 college town. It's a city that he thought he could 0:02:26.360 --> 0:02:28.840 be pretty anonymous there. And that, to me is the 0:02:28.840 --> 0:02:31.680 most interesting aspect of it all, because here you have 0:02:31.800 --> 0:02:34.480 arch Manning and you know, member of like you know, 0:02:34.480 --> 0:02:37.480 Football Royalty, and you know, part of the reason why 0:02:37.480 --> 0:02:40.280 he picked Texas was because he thought, and we'll see 0:02:40.280 --> 0:02:42.400 how well that works out, that you know, he could 0:02:42.400 --> 0:02:44.880 be anonymous there. And I think that, like even some 0:02:44.919 --> 0:02:46.800 of the reporting of my book, you know, shows that 0:02:46.880 --> 0:02:49.880 like that itself was was too difficult to ask for. 0:02:50.480 --> 0:02:57.000 How influential were Archie, Cooper, Peyton eli All in Archer's 0:02:57.040 --> 0:03:01.079 recruitment and actually helping him achieve his destination of Texas. 0:03:01.360 --> 0:03:02.359 He did it himself. 0:03:02.440 --> 0:03:05.520 And I think that like they're all really hyper aware 0:03:05.800 --> 0:03:10.040 of looking like they had a hidden hand. And Nelson Stewart, 0:03:10.080 --> 0:03:13.880 you know, so arch is sophomore year obviously they realized 0:03:13.919 --> 0:03:16.040 he was going to be a top prospect. So Nelson Stewart, 0:03:16.040 --> 0:03:18.280 the head coach at Newman, and Cooper Man to get 0:03:18.320 --> 0:03:20.280 together and they try to think about like how they 0:03:20.280 --> 0:03:22.280 want this recruitment to look like, and this is looking 0:03:22.360 --> 0:03:24.519 like staring at a tsunami from a distance, like there's 0:03:24.520 --> 0:03:27.160 no stopping this thing. And so Cooper said, I want 0:03:27.160 --> 0:03:30.360 this to be a nineteen seventy five recruitment and Coach 0:03:30.360 --> 0:03:33.120 Stewart was like, what do you mean? And Cooper was like, 0:03:33.160 --> 0:03:35.040 I want you to run point. I want you to 0:03:35.080 --> 0:03:38.080 be the gatekeeper. And we're not going to take offers. 0:03:38.120 --> 0:03:40.280 We're not going to be posting on social media every 0:03:40.320 --> 0:03:42.640 time a school offers to us how grateful we are. 0:03:42.760 --> 0:03:44.600 We're going to do things a little bit different to 0:03:44.640 --> 0:03:48.040 try to give Arch as semblance of a normal high 0:03:48.080 --> 0:03:51.200 school life and you know, maintain his love of the game. 0:03:51.240 --> 0:03:53.680 And I think that's really important. And so it was 0:03:53.840 --> 0:03:57.560 Arch striving things and obviously, like the family members, you know, 0:03:57.600 --> 0:04:01.200 could weigh in when they wanted. But you know, they 0:04:01.240 --> 0:04:05.320 went to University of Virginia, where Arch's older sister made goes, 0:04:05.440 --> 0:04:08.160 and as they were walking around campus, Cooper was like, look, 0:04:08.440 --> 0:04:10.360 you know, this isn't a bad choice. You know, it's 0:04:10.360 --> 0:04:13.680 a beautiful campus, great school. You know, it's not football crazy, 0:04:13.680 --> 0:04:15.120 and I think that like maybe your life could be 0:04:15.200 --> 0:04:18.600 more normal here. And you know, obviously Virginia wasn't a 0:04:18.640 --> 0:04:20.680 school that he you know, ended up considering. At the 0:04:20.760 --> 0:04:22.440 end of the day, it was him that was driving 0:04:22.480 --> 0:04:25.560 this and he's the one who decided on Texas really, 0:04:25.640 --> 0:04:28.640 just like Peyton did with Tennessee and even Eli. Did 0:04:29.880 --> 0:04:31.040 you know back in the day with ole. 0:04:31.000 --> 0:04:34.320 Mis, you're right about Joe Namath then before both of 0:04:34.320 --> 0:04:37.320 our time obviously, Joe Namath, I think about nineteen sixty 0:04:37.400 --> 0:04:40.320 nine h him guaranteeing him wearing the fur coats, him 0:04:40.360 --> 0:04:42.320 being like in New York. But it was an odd 0:04:42.360 --> 0:04:45.560 juxtaposition because he played at Alabama, like all of that. 0:04:45.600 --> 0:04:47.920 We didn't get to experience it, but we're only catching 0:04:47.960 --> 0:04:51.440 it like through story like folklore even And so yeah, 0:04:51.480 --> 0:04:54.000 what did you think of Joe namath cultural impact once 0:04:54.000 --> 0:04:56.040 you started to really get into it at a deeper level. 0:04:56.520 --> 0:05:01.520 Well, I mean, look, all quarterbacks are cold archetypes of 0:05:02.160 --> 0:05:04.680 John Unitis and Joe Namath. I mean, like those two 0:05:04.720 --> 0:05:07.680 guys are huge pillars, and you know, as I show 0:05:07.720 --> 0:05:09.800 in the book, there are other guys who who helped 0:05:09.839 --> 0:05:12.680 set them up, especially Bob Waterfield. In the nineteen forties, 0:05:12.680 --> 0:05:15.000 he was married to Jane Russell. They were like the 0:05:15.080 --> 0:05:17.880 first couples first, you know, the country's first power couple. 0:05:17.960 --> 0:05:22.520 But really name it is, you know, a watershed moment 0:05:22.600 --> 0:05:25.240 in so many ways. And it was interesting because I've 0:05:25.240 --> 0:05:28.279 been with Joe Namath at events in New York and 0:05:28.320 --> 0:05:30.760 I've been with him at one event at the University 0:05:30.760 --> 0:05:36.200 of Alabama at the stadium, and just my personal opinion, 0:05:37.120 --> 0:05:41.039 I thought that he was way more revered, way more 0:05:41.080 --> 0:05:43.880 sought after, almost looked like with a type of reverence 0:05:43.920 --> 0:05:46.440 that was different when he was at Alabama rather than 0:05:46.320 --> 0:05:49.640 the events in New York. I think that like Alabama 0:05:49.720 --> 0:05:52.760 has such a a you know, a vast you know 0:05:52.960 --> 0:05:56.880 history throughout college football, and obviously name it has so 0:05:57.200 --> 0:06:00.560 much cultural template that he started once he was with 0:06:00.600 --> 0:06:03.680 the Jets and kind of blossomed into you know, this 0:06:03.720 --> 0:06:06.400 guy who first offered the idea of quarterback as like 0:06:06.440 --> 0:06:10.440 a lifestyle. But at Alabama, you know, he said that 0:06:10.520 --> 0:06:12.400 Barry Bryant said that he was the finest player he 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:15.160 ever coached, and I think that, like you know, when 0:06:15.160 --> 0:06:18.400 you listen to Joamath talk about his career, I think 0:06:18.440 --> 0:06:20.840 in a lot of ways you hear him talking about 0:06:21.240 --> 0:06:25.679 more joy when he was at Alabama than even during 0:06:25.839 --> 0:06:26.880 his heyday in New York. 0:06:27.279 --> 0:06:29.680 I love your work just generally too, So good luck. 0:06:29.720 --> 0:06:32.280 I hope the book sells a ga billion copies and 0:06:32.360 --> 0:06:33.640 hopefully we'll talk to you again soon. 0:06:33.880 --> 0:06:34.599 Hey man, thank you. 0:06:34.640 --> 0:06:36.560 I love all the trinkets on your desk, and I 0:06:36.600 --> 0:06:39.279 really appreciate your time, and thank you very very much. 0:06:39.360 --> 0:06:41.839 I seth have a good day, man. Next up is 0:06:41.920 --> 0:06:45.000 Super Bowl MVP Joe Flacco. Joe has played in the 0:06:45.080 --> 0:06:48.159 NFL for close to twenty years, a lot of memorable moments. 0:06:48.200 --> 0:06:50.120 One of those moments came when the lights went out 0:06:50.200 --> 0:06:51.719 when he was playing in the Super Bowl against forty 0:06:51.800 --> 0:06:54.120 nine ers. It was crazy. And how his body's feeling 0:06:54.160 --> 0:06:56.920 playing in his forties, which we talk about here. Congrats 0:06:56.960 --> 0:06:58.760 to Joe on still being in the league playing in 0:06:58.800 --> 0:07:02.760 his forties. Here he is Joe Flacco, my partner that 0:07:02.800 --> 0:07:05.839 I work with a lot, as Matt Castle, who played 0:07:05.880 --> 0:07:07.840 in the league for a long time, and he talks 0:07:07.880 --> 0:07:10.960 about once he started to be a bit older and 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:13.720 he had dealt with injuries that the hardest part was 0:07:14.360 --> 0:07:19.160 not not getting injured, it was bouncing back, because as 0:07:19.160 --> 0:07:22.280 you get older, it's harder to bounce back. At your 0:07:22.360 --> 0:07:25.800 stage right now, is that the hardest part is when 0:07:25.800 --> 0:07:27.440 something hurts, does it take longer to heal? 0:07:27.720 --> 0:07:29.640 I think you got to make sure that you get 0:07:29.640 --> 0:07:34.720 to the point where nothing you minimize the amount of 0:07:34.720 --> 0:07:37.160 build up that happens. Obviously, throughout the course of a game, 0:07:37.240 --> 0:07:39.480 you're going to deal with acute injuries that you have 0:07:39.560 --> 0:07:41.720 to try to heal from as quick as possible. But 0:07:41.800 --> 0:07:43.680 I think for me, as I get a little bit older, 0:07:44.040 --> 0:07:46.920 it's just that maintenance routine. It's getting a good routine 0:07:46.920 --> 0:07:49.320 so that little things don't turn into big things. And 0:07:49.760 --> 0:07:52.680 when I was younger, you kind of run through those 0:07:52.720 --> 0:07:55.240 little things in a week, and now that I've turned forty, 0:07:55.640 --> 0:07:57.520 they kind of build up, they don't go away, and 0:07:57.560 --> 0:07:59.320 before you know it, you're hurting a lot more than 0:07:59.320 --> 0:07:59.720 you want to. 0:08:00.400 --> 0:08:02.480 Does it hurt after every game or is there an 0:08:02.520 --> 0:08:04.840 occasional game where you're like you look down, You're like, 0:08:06.120 --> 0:08:06.680 I'm okay. 0:08:07.040 --> 0:08:09.400 That's the beauty about playing quarterback, is that, Yes, you 0:08:09.480 --> 0:08:11.520 do look down after some games and say, oh, wow, 0:08:11.520 --> 0:08:13.080 I came out of that one great, And you don't 0:08:13.080 --> 0:08:17.000 really deal with anything. The other ten eleven guys on 0:08:17.040 --> 0:08:18.800 the field, the other twenty one guys in the field, 0:08:18.840 --> 0:08:21.920 when you're out there, they are dealing with it week 0:08:21.960 --> 0:08:23.920 in and week out. I would say that I have 0:08:24.000 --> 0:08:26.840 it easy, as you know, as it comes to the 0:08:27.320 --> 0:08:28.640 NFL standard. 0:08:28.480 --> 0:08:29.760 Why are you still playing? You love it? 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:33.920 I better love it if I'm doing this. Yeah, yeah, 0:08:34.040 --> 0:08:39.439 I listen. I have one thing, maybe maybe hopefully a 0:08:39.480 --> 0:08:41.360 couple more than one thing, but one thing that I 0:08:41.440 --> 0:08:44.160 really really enjoy doing, one thing that I feel like 0:08:44.200 --> 0:08:47.800 I can really do at a high level, and I've 0:08:47.880 --> 0:08:50.120 never really thought about not doing it. I've been able 0:08:50.160 --> 0:08:52.880 to do it since I've been a kid, and I 0:08:52.960 --> 0:08:54.440 kind of just want to keep that dream alive. I 0:08:54.440 --> 0:08:55.880 still feel like I can do it at a high 0:08:55.960 --> 0:09:00.920 level and have a lot of fun doing it. So yeah, 0:09:01.280 --> 0:09:03.040 that's kind of why I still do it. It's kind 0:09:03.040 --> 0:09:07.360 of a weird question to talk about, but it's a 0:09:07.360 --> 0:09:09.679 lot of fun and I do love it. I love 0:09:09.760 --> 0:09:12.400 being in that locker room with all the players. I 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:15.040 love being in the huddle, that feeling that you get 0:09:15.080 --> 0:09:19.679 before before game time. I wouldn't say that I'm totally 0:09:19.679 --> 0:09:21.520 in love with that, but when you don't have that 0:09:21.559 --> 0:09:24.199 for a few months, you realize that you miss it 0:09:23.920 --> 0:09:25.720 and it's just something that's pretty special. 0:09:26.000 --> 0:09:28.000 Can you give me a memory from when the lights 0:09:28.040 --> 0:09:29.560 went out in the super Bowl? Because that was weird 0:09:29.559 --> 0:09:32.520 for us. I can't imagine you're freaking playing in the 0:09:32.520 --> 0:09:34.880 Super Bowl and it all goes down, Like what are 0:09:34.920 --> 0:09:36.360 you guys even talking about when that happens. 0:09:37.280 --> 0:09:41.839 I remember sitting on the bench and kind of the 0:09:41.920 --> 0:09:44.040 lights go out and you kind of just look around, like, 0:09:44.080 --> 0:09:46.719 what the heck is going on? I wish I had 0:09:46.760 --> 0:09:48.920 more memories of it. It's funny because after the game, 0:09:48.960 --> 0:09:52.240 everybody kind of started expressing to me what they thought, 0:09:52.320 --> 0:09:53.560 and some people were scared. 0:09:53.600 --> 0:09:53.960 I mean a lot. 0:09:53.920 --> 0:09:55.720 I had a lot of friends and family that were 0:09:56.160 --> 0:09:58.800 nervous as what was going on, and thankfully for me, 0:09:58.880 --> 0:10:01.959 that never really crossed my mind. I kind of just 0:10:02.400 --> 0:10:04.080 took it for what it was, sat on the ground, 0:10:04.120 --> 0:10:06.280 stretched out a little bit. You know, you think it's 0:10:06.280 --> 0:10:08.120 going to be two or three minutes. You don't realize 0:10:08.120 --> 0:10:10.680 it's going to be twenty or thirty or however long 0:10:10.720 --> 0:10:14.000 it was, so I think if I had to guess 0:10:14.200 --> 0:10:16.840 how my mindset was, it was probably taking it like 0:10:16.880 --> 0:10:18.880 every two or three minutes, thinking it was going to 0:10:18.920 --> 0:10:20.160 they were going to come back on and we were 0:10:20.160 --> 0:10:21.199 going to get right back to it. 0:10:22.400 --> 0:10:25.560 Playing at Pittsburgh and College and then Delaware. Like, to me, 0:10:25.679 --> 0:10:30.360 that's cold weather sounds terrible, But you've played in cold 0:10:30.360 --> 0:10:32.560 weather places in the NFL for the most part, too. 0:10:33.000 --> 0:10:34.800 Is that even a thing? Do you even get cold? 0:10:34.880 --> 0:10:35.920 Or is that just normal? 0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:40.760 There's definitely things about that that are not ideal. I 0:10:40.800 --> 0:10:43.560 think you just you put that big coat on, you 0:10:43.559 --> 0:10:46.400 sit on the heated bench, and you deal with it 0:10:46.440 --> 0:10:49.240 for the five ten minutes that you're not sitting on 0:10:49.280 --> 0:10:51.880 that bench. But we got it. We got it pretty easy. 0:10:51.880 --> 0:10:53.559 The fact that we got guys waiting for us on 0:10:53.600 --> 0:10:55.439 the sideline to throw a big coat over us and 0:10:55.480 --> 0:10:58.080 sit on a you know, one hundred degree warming bench. 0:11:00.120 --> 0:11:02.520 When you're out there playing, you're honestly not thinking about it. 0:11:02.520 --> 0:11:04.360 It's like the first thirty seconds that you take that 0:11:04.440 --> 0:11:06.640 code off that you're thinking what the hell am I doing? 0:11:06.760 --> 0:11:10.360 Or pre pregame warm ups are actually probably more miserable 0:11:10.400 --> 0:11:11.680 in the game, because you're like, do I want to 0:11:11.679 --> 0:11:13.040 even go out there and warm up? Or do I 0:11:13.080 --> 0:11:14.280 just want to kind of hang out in the locker 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:17.560 room and say say, I'm good, I'll be ready to 0:11:17.559 --> 0:11:19.040 go once the game starts. 0:11:18.920 --> 0:11:21.480 And warmups probably no adrenaline, right. 0:11:21.640 --> 0:11:24.480 Yeah, exactly, you're not. You're just like, I'm not playing 0:11:24.480 --> 0:11:25.640 the game. Why am I going to go out there 0:11:25.679 --> 0:11:27.160 and do it to myself? And I don't have to, 0:11:28.200 --> 0:11:30.840 So it's a little bit harder mental hurdle to get 0:11:30.840 --> 0:11:32.840 a ticket out there for pregame. 0:11:32.800 --> 0:11:34.600 At the height of your career or when you will 0:11:34.640 --> 0:11:36.520 say that your arm was the healthiest it may even 0:11:36.559 --> 0:11:39.000 be now. You ever just chunk a ball to see 0:11:39.040 --> 0:11:40.200 how far you could throw a ball? 0:11:40.600 --> 0:11:42.600 You know, I used to when I was in college, 0:11:42.640 --> 0:11:46.080 but like when I was in late college, early part 0:11:46.120 --> 0:11:48.480 of my career in the NFL, I was probably more 0:11:48.520 --> 0:11:51.200 interested in seeing how far I could throw it and 0:11:51.240 --> 0:11:54.280 doing some long casts. These days, I just kind of 0:11:54.400 --> 0:11:56.040 do it to keep my arm in shape. I'm not 0:11:56.080 --> 0:11:58.360 necessarily super wired about where I can throw the ball 0:11:58.400 --> 0:12:02.559 through the uprights from uh. When people ask me, I 0:12:02.640 --> 0:12:04.360 always to say I can probably I could throw it 0:12:04.400 --> 0:12:05.600 around seventy five yards. 0:12:05.880 --> 0:12:07.319 I don't. I don't know, maybe give or take a 0:12:07.360 --> 0:12:09.120 few yards here and there, so. 0:12:09.160 --> 0:12:10.800 Eighty eighty five. 0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:14.559 I honestly, if I could touch eighty, I would probably 0:12:14.600 --> 0:12:16.520 say eighty. I don't think I've ever thrown a football 0:12:16.520 --> 0:12:18.760 eighty yards unless I would unless I was down on 0:12:18.800 --> 0:12:21.480 the Jersey shore on the beach with a forty mile 0:12:21.480 --> 0:12:22.120 an hour winds. 0:12:22.120 --> 0:12:23.560 I wasn't throwing the ball eighty yards. 0:12:23.559 --> 0:12:25.360 So that's a good point, because if I'm lying about 0:12:25.400 --> 0:12:28.360 driving a golf ball, I never lie short. I always 0:12:28.640 --> 0:12:30.439 or I always estimate a little long. It's like, what 0:12:30.520 --> 0:12:32.800 do you do? Yeah, I got to sixty five average, 0:12:32.800 --> 0:12:34.920 and really it's not that so I guess right, Yeah, 0:12:34.960 --> 0:12:37.560 that's a good point. When did you realize in your 0:12:37.760 --> 0:12:40.080 youth that you had a really strong arm? 0:12:40.640 --> 0:12:44.040 Oh, I guess growing up on the schoolyard, just kind 0:12:44.040 --> 0:12:46.760 of playing two hand touch. I could always throw that 0:12:46.800 --> 0:12:48.840 little ball that you know, the little pee wee ball 0:12:48.880 --> 0:12:50.240 that kind of everybody plays with. 0:12:50.280 --> 0:12:53.240 I think, you know, we might have had a Minnesota. 0:12:52.840 --> 0:12:55.640 Vikings or probably a Philadelphia Eagles rubber football that we 0:12:55.679 --> 0:12:57.160 could kind of I could throw the length of a 0:12:57.160 --> 0:12:59.360 schoolyard and nobody else could really do that. So you 0:12:59.440 --> 0:13:01.000 kind of figure, all right, nybe, I could throw the 0:13:01.000 --> 0:13:01.680 ball a little. 0:13:01.440 --> 0:13:06.000 Bit when these guys are getting ready for draft day, 0:13:06.080 --> 0:13:08.400 draft night, if it's night one or second round or 0:13:08.400 --> 0:13:10.960 third night, like, what was your draft night like? 0:13:11.679 --> 0:13:15.160 So I was sitting on my couch in my parents' house. 0:13:16.480 --> 0:13:19.080 I really didn't want to let cameras in because I 0:13:19.080 --> 0:13:20.560 was unsure about where I was going to be picked, 0:13:20.600 --> 0:13:22.680 and just kind of wanted to be more private in general. 0:13:23.160 --> 0:13:26.600 But obviously I got talked into, you know, allowing them 0:13:26.600 --> 0:13:27.840 to come into the house. And I was just kind 0:13:27.880 --> 0:13:30.240 of sitting on the couch and waiting to see what happens. 0:13:30.280 --> 0:13:33.240 And we were all watching the draft, excited and kind 0:13:33.240 --> 0:13:35.760 of eager to see what was going to happen. But 0:13:35.840 --> 0:13:37.800 coming from Delaware, I didn't know if I was going 0:13:37.840 --> 0:13:39.600 to be There was a lot of momentum probably behind 0:13:39.640 --> 0:13:40.199 where I was going. 0:13:40.160 --> 0:13:40.560 To be picked. 0:13:40.559 --> 0:13:42.839 I felt like I was probably going to be picked 0:13:42.920 --> 0:13:45.400 decently high. But I could have been a first round pick. 0:13:45.400 --> 0:13:46.920 I could have been a third round pick. I had 0:13:46.960 --> 0:13:50.760 no idea. So I was a little bit I was excited, obviously, 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:53.360 because at that point I didn't really care where I. 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:54.000 Was going to be picked. 0:13:54.360 --> 0:13:56.199 I knew that I was going to be an NFL 0:13:56.320 --> 0:14:00.280 draft pick, and I think that was the most exciting thing. Yeah, 0:14:00.440 --> 0:14:02.200 there was probably a little bit of uncertainty in my 0:14:02.200 --> 0:14:03.840 mind too, because you just don't know where you're going 0:14:03.880 --> 0:14:05.319 to go and where you're going to spend the next 0:14:05.520 --> 0:14:07.560 you know, you plan on spending the next fifteen years 0:14:07.559 --> 0:14:09.520 of your life probably wherever. 0:14:09.040 --> 0:14:10.080 You end up getting picked. 0:14:10.080 --> 0:14:14.240 So it was, yeah, definitely definitely a little bit of 0:14:14.280 --> 0:14:16.520 a mixed feelings about where that could be. 0:14:16.679 --> 0:14:18.480 Who called you, Ozzie called me. 0:14:19.440 --> 0:14:21.760 Ozzie called me, and I think they were I think 0:14:21.960 --> 0:14:24.640 they traded up with Houston, I want to say. And 0:14:24.640 --> 0:14:26.640 he said, hey, Joe, we're about to you know, we're 0:14:26.640 --> 0:14:29.800 about to trade up here with Houston into the eighteenth 0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:32.520 pick and and select you to become a Baltimore Raven. 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:34.720 And you know, obviously, like the whole. 0:14:34.560 --> 0:14:36.480 Room that I was sitting in kind of went nuts 0:14:36.520 --> 0:14:38.640 because they were, you know, they realized I was on 0:14:38.680 --> 0:14:40.120 the phone call and I was kind of giving them 0:14:40.240 --> 0:14:41.920 a head nod or whatever I was doing to let 0:14:42.000 --> 0:14:43.480 them know, like, hey, it's about to happen. 0:14:44.160 --> 0:14:45.840 How much sleep do you try to get a night. 0:14:47.440 --> 0:14:47.880 Right now. 0:14:48.120 --> 0:14:51.520 Yeah, we're going to pivot into health. 0:14:52.200 --> 0:14:52.520 Man. 0:14:53.120 --> 0:14:56.760 I got to tell you there was a time where, 0:14:57.320 --> 0:14:59.760 like my kids were younger, and we could actually enjoy 0:15:00.120 --> 0:15:02.600 three hours on the couch being my wife by ourselves 0:15:02.600 --> 0:15:05.120 from like seven thirty to ten thirty or eleven o'clock 0:15:05.160 --> 0:15:07.280 eleven thirty, whatever we wanted to do. You know, we 0:15:07.280 --> 0:15:09.640 could put those kids to bed. But now my kids 0:15:09.640 --> 0:15:12.800 are getting older, they complain about bedtime every night. It's 0:15:12.800 --> 0:15:15.400 getting pushed, you know, further and further back, and I'm 0:15:15.480 --> 0:15:19.400 usually knocked out on the couch at nine o'clock and 0:15:19.440 --> 0:15:22.200 then at ten fifteen I'm waking up with my wife 0:15:22.200 --> 0:15:23.360 going back to bed, and I'm. 0:15:23.280 --> 0:15:25.800 Sleeping till six thirty, six forty five every day. 0:15:25.880 --> 0:15:28.560 So is there a you get to a game, because 0:15:28.600 --> 0:15:30.560 there are mornings if I'm either doing the show or 0:15:30.560 --> 0:15:32.800 if i'm even if I'm on touring doing stand up 0:15:33.080 --> 0:15:35.440 my bra I just have brain fog some days and 0:15:35.520 --> 0:15:37.640 if I sleep maybe something my eight. You ever get 0:15:37.640 --> 0:15:39.520 to the game day and you're like, man, like I'm 0:15:39.560 --> 0:15:42.520 just not fully there and you have to go all right, guys, 0:15:42.560 --> 0:15:44.080 my brain's not clicking the right way and need you 0:15:44.120 --> 0:15:45.440 to help me out a little bit. 0:15:45.880 --> 0:15:48.240 Listen, there's times, Yeah, I don't know about my brain, 0:15:48.280 --> 0:15:50.920 but your body definitely wakes up a little bit tired sometimes, 0:15:50.920 --> 0:15:53.440 And listen, it's not ideal for us. We're waking up 0:15:53.520 --> 0:15:57.280 even if most of the time, even if you're at home, 0:15:57.480 --> 0:16:00.080 you're waking up in a hotel, you don't get to 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:02.760 sleep in your own bed. And definitely if you're on 0:16:02.800 --> 0:16:07.120 the road. And honestly, I'm not great at at falling 0:16:07.160 --> 0:16:11.360 asleep and sleeping well. In a hotel, I usually can 0:16:11.440 --> 0:16:13.720 kind of turn my mind off and not worry about anything, 0:16:13.760 --> 0:16:16.000 and that I'm the same way the night before the game. 0:16:16.000 --> 0:16:18.320 I'm not really thinking about it. I feel like if 0:16:18.360 --> 0:16:20.200 I do have things on my mind, I can actually 0:16:20.240 --> 0:16:22.040 relax and go to bed and kind of put it 0:16:22.040 --> 0:16:24.280 out of my mind. But just a night's sleep in 0:16:24.320 --> 0:16:26.440 a hotel, I've never quite gotten used to it. So 0:16:26.440 --> 0:16:28.320 there's always probably a little bit of that. 0:16:28.320 --> 0:16:31.120 Three final questions that leads me to that. So do 0:16:31.160 --> 0:16:32.760 you stay at home? Do you stay in the same 0:16:32.800 --> 0:16:34.560 hotel room, in the same bed to at least have 0:16:34.640 --> 0:16:36.360 some sort of consistency. 0:16:36.520 --> 0:16:38.480 Man, I've been all over the place the last few years. 0:16:38.520 --> 0:16:39.200 I have no idea. 0:16:39.360 --> 0:16:42.800 It's been I think typically, Yes, you're in the same 0:16:42.880 --> 0:16:43.720 room all year. 0:16:43.640 --> 0:16:49.080 Like in Baltimore's same room, Saints, same room, same room. Joe, 0:16:49.120 --> 0:16:51.240 we appreciate the time, and I thank you for spending 0:16:51.240 --> 0:16:51.880 some time with us. 0:16:52.080 --> 0:16:53.480 No, I appreciate it. You guys have a good one, 0:16:53.520 --> 0:16:54.840 all right, Thanks Joe. 0:16:58.240 --> 0:17:01.320 Now we'll get to former NFL and current college head 0:17:01.360 --> 0:17:04.280 coach Jim Mora. Coach. Moro was the head coach in 0:17:04.280 --> 0:17:07.040 Atlanta when Michael Vick was our quarterback. So I asked 0:17:07.080 --> 0:17:09.640 him what it's like to coach Michael Vick, especially during 0:17:09.640 --> 0:17:11.000 that time. Here's what he said. 0:17:11.560 --> 0:17:14.520 He was unbelievable. Number one, he was a really good person. 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:16.360 He is a really good person. We stay in touch. 0:17:16.400 --> 0:17:18.560 I'm happy he's coaching. He's going to have a great 0:17:18.600 --> 0:17:21.080 impact on Norfolk State and all those student athletes. But 0:17:21.600 --> 0:17:25.000 every single day, every single day on practice, on the 0:17:25.000 --> 0:17:27.760 practice field, he would do something that you would just 0:17:27.880 --> 0:17:28.240