1 00:00:01,040 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: She goes back, I guess she's in her cell in 2 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: the City County Building, and she wants to write a 3 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: note to to Daryl. 4 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 2: This is John North, a journalist who covered Krista Pike's 5 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 2: murder trial in nineteen ninety six and watched as the 6 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:19,759 Speaker 2: then twenty year old was sentenced to death. He's talking 7 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 2: about a moment right after the jury handed down their verdict, 8 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:25,759 Speaker 2: the moment just after Christa found out that she would 9 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 2: be executed in the electric chair. After sobbing before the judge, 10 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:32,879 Speaker 2: she was brought back to her jail cell, where it 11 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 2: seemed she had only one thought her boyfriend to Daryl. 12 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 2: To Daryl was sitting in his own jail cell, waiting 13 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 2: to be tried for his role in Colleen's murder. According 14 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 2: to court records, he was both physically and emotionally abusive 15 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 2: to Christa, but she didn't really have anyone else to 16 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 2: talk to. 17 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: And she writes this note, and it essentially says, can 18 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 1: you believe they did this to me when I actually 19 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: tried to be nice to her? 20 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 2: The most inflammatory part of that letter, the part that 21 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 2: would be repeated over and over again in newspapers and 22 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 2: in court hearings. The part that would be used to 23 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 2: demonstrate that Krista was incapable of remorse reads as follows, 24 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 2: You see what I get for trying to be nice 25 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:22,399 Speaker 2: to the I went ahead and bashed her brains out 26 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 2: so she'd die quickly instead of letting her bleed to 27 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 2: death and suffer more. 28 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:30,559 Speaker 3: And they fry me, Ain't that some shit? 29 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: And she says, I love you, and I'm your little devil, 30 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 1: And tell me what you're thinking, and I'll always be yours. 31 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 1: And if you need me to testify for you, I 32 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 1: will and tell the cops you lied and what you said. 33 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 1: And then she gives it to a jail matron and says, 34 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: please give this to to Darryl. 35 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 2: Christa's advocates argue that the note was a sign of 36 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 2: her unwavering devotion to and desperate need to please a 37 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:05,279 Speaker 2: volatile teenage boy she had turned into her sole source 38 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 2: of support even as she faced death. She would lie 39 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 2: for him, take the blame for him. That he was 40 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 2: a lifeline for someone who grew up without anyone to 41 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 2: rely on and who feared being alone, someone who struggled 42 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 2: with mental illness and a brain that had been shaped 43 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 2: mostly by harm and in that way, Krista is a 44 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:29,399 Speaker 2: lot like the dozens of other women who are death 45 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 2: sentenced in America. 46 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 4: When I think of Krista's case, I think of two things. 47 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:39,519 Speaker 4: First and foremost. 48 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 2: This is Sandra Babcock, a law professor at Cornell University, 49 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 2: an expert in women and the death penalty. 50 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 4: One is that she, like many women on death row, 51 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 4: had experiences of sexual violence. She was raped twice before 52 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 4: she was eighteen, and was also someone who lived with 53 00:02:58,960 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 4: mental illness. 54 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 2: And there's something else that ties Christa to this group. 55 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 4: When they commit a violent crime, they frequently have a 56 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 4: co defendant, So a lot of times women are not 57 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 4: committing crimes alone. They are committing them in the presence 58 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 4: of codefendants and oftentimes with male code defendants with whom 59 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 4: they have a relationship. 60 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 2: Many of these women see the same man who terrorizes 61 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 2: them as their protector. They make a brutal calculation, weighing 62 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 2: their options and too often determining that it's better to 63 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 2: be abused than to risk being alone. 64 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 4: Courts are not taking their experiences of violence into account 65 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 4: when they sentence them. 66 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 2: To Darryl was only seventeen when he and Christa killed Colleen, 67 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 2: so he would be sentenced to life in prison. He'll 68 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 2: be eligible for parole later this year. Christa wrote to 69 00:03:56,400 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 2: Darryl for years as she sat on death row, moosely 70 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 2: alone and waiting to die. I'm Sarah Trelevin and this 71 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 2: is Unrestorable Season two Proof of Life, an original podcast 72 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 2: from Anonymous content and iHeartRadio. After the sentence was handed down, 73 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 2: Krista was transported from the city jail to the Tennessee 74 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 2: Prison for Women in Nashville. Her lawyers filed appeals in 75 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 2: the hope of overturning her death sentence. 76 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 5: I'm locked down twenty three hours a day. 77 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:38,039 Speaker 2: This is an interview that Krista did from prison in 78 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 2: nineteen ninety eight. She's wearing an institutional blue button down 79 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 2: shirt with a white undershirt. Her hair is in a 80 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:46,720 Speaker 2: high ponytail tied with a blue scrunchy. 81 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:49,720 Speaker 5: I get to go outside in a cage for an 82 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:50,599 Speaker 5: hour a day. 83 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:52,039 Speaker 3: At twenty one. 84 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 2: She sounds resilient and confident, almost stoic. 85 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 3: What do you think about the electric jair. 86 00:04:57,520 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 6: I don't really think about that because I don't think 87 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 6: I'm ever going to see it. 88 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 7: I know that I don't deserve to be where I'm at, 89 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 7: and I know that somewhere along the line, somebody's going 90 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 7: to see that. That's all I have left is hope. 91 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 2: That hope real or just a brave face for the 92 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:19,599 Speaker 2: cameras wouldn't last. Christa's mental health crisis was only getting worse, 93 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 2: and it was exacerbated by the conditions of solitary confinement. 94 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 5: Solitary confinement, especially that of prolonged solitary confinement, you know, 95 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 5: has a variety of different psychological and physical health related consequences. 96 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 2: This is Ali Winters. She's a social worker and professor 97 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 2: at the University of Tennessee Knoxville who has counseled Krista 98 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 2: in prison. Christa gave us permission to speak with her. 99 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:54,359 Speaker 6: I would have patients who would enter solitary confinement and 100 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 6: they didn't have a mental health diagnosis, but over time 101 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 6: they would develop significant mental health issues like mood disorders, 102 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 6: in particular related to depression and hopelessness and despair. There 103 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 6: were a lot of people that would actually begin experiencing 104 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 6: more psychotic symptoms. It would start with paranoia, like what 105 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 6: are they talking about? They're talking about me, They're plotting 106 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:30,559 Speaker 6: against me, you know, and that would then in turn, 107 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 6: I think kind of morph into. 108 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 5: This level of anxiety. 109 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 6: So you would see a lot of irritability, a lot 110 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 6: of anxiety, a lot of pacing, you know, those kinds 111 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:41,480 Speaker 6: of things. 112 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 2: Christa is the only woman on death row in Tennessee, 113 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 2: not uncommon for women, and so Christa is in de 114 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 2: facto segregation. Because death row inmates are typically separated from 115 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 2: the general prison population, they. 116 00:06:55,920 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 4: Are often subjected to more extreme conditions of isolationation and 117 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 4: solitary than the men are because they are one of 118 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:06,039 Speaker 4: a kind. 119 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 2: This again is Sandra Babcock from Cornell University. 120 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 4: So you saw this in Christa's case. The kinds of 121 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 4: segregation that she experienced were really uniquely tortuous. Women who 122 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 4: are incarcerated have a higher frequency of mental illness than men, 123 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 4: So when they come into the system of detention incarceration, 124 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 4: they are already experiencing many of them symptoms of trauma 125 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 4: and mental illness, and they experience those at higher rates 126 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 4: than men and the incarcerated population, so they are more 127 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 4: vulnerable to the effects of solitary confinement. 128 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 2: Christa was eating every meal alone. When her family visited, 129 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 2: they were behind plexiglass, and her primary means of communication 130 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 2: with other inmates was getting down on the floor and 131 00:07:58,320 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 2: yelling through the crack under her. 132 00:07:59,800 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 5: See. 133 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 4: On top of that, what we see in the cases 134 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 4: of women who are in prison is that they lack 135 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 4: many of the supports that men in prison receive from 136 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 4: people that they know in love on the outside. So 137 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 4: women tend to receive fewer visits from family members. They 138 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 4: don't have the same degree of social support from people 139 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 4: on the outside as many of the incarcerated men do. 140 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 2: That's very interesting. I mean, is that because men are 141 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 2: more likely to kill someone not in their immediate orbit, 142 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 2: or is that because when a woman kills it's considered 143 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 2: less forgivable. 144 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 4: I don't know that anybody's ever done research on that. 145 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 4: If I were to guess, I would say it's a 146 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 4: combination of the first thing, that many times women have 147 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 4: been convicted of crimes that have torn families apart. But 148 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:56,440 Speaker 4: I think it goes beyond that. I think it's also 149 00:08:56,559 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 4: that women tend to be caretakers, and so if women 150 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 4: in prison are relying on their male relations to visit 151 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 4: them and you know, bring them news and sustain their 152 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 4: spirits and sustain that connection to the outside world, that 153 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 4: is less likely to happen. 154 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 2: For men on death row, conditions are not great, but 155 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 2: they are less isolated. There are forty two men on 156 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 2: death row in Tennessee, and they live together on a 157 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 2: segregated unit. Ali Winters says that life in solitary can 158 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 2: drive the women she treats to act out in ways 159 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 2: that demonstrate just how desperate they are for any form 160 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 2: of contact. I hope I'm pronouncing this right. Can you 161 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 2: tell me the story of Esa? He say, say tell 162 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 2: me the story of Isa. 163 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:57,320 Speaker 5: Say yeah. 164 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 6: Christa was out in the wreck in a cage that 165 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 6: has a concrete floor and then they have wire around, 166 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 6: you know, this concrete slab like fencing, and then razor 167 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 6: wire above that. And so one day when she was 168 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 6: in wreck, she was sitting there. She ended up noticing 169 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 6: that a turtle was coming through the grass and came 170 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 6: up through the fence. She grabbed the turtle, you know, 171 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 6: and that turtle became her world. She fed that thing 172 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 6: all kinds of stuff, like little pieces of ham, little 173 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 6: pieces of tuna. 174 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 3: Krista named the turtle Isse. 175 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 6: And she had a little soap box because it was 176 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 6: a tiny little thing. And then every morning she would 177 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 6: plug her sink and fill it with water and let 178 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 6: you know, little essay swim around and be a turtle. 179 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 6: And this was not uncharacteristic of the women in solitary confinement, 180 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 6: even if they could find just a bug. I had 181 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 6: one lady. She adopted the exoskeleton of a cicada that 182 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 6: had just been left somewhere. 183 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:26,560 Speaker 3: Like the discardage. 184 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 6: The discarded shell of a cicada, but those shells still 185 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 6: have like little eyes and stuff. But she cared for 186 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 6: that thing for months, acting like it was alive and 187 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 6: talking to I mean, it's like this was not at 188 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 6: all unusual, because I think that women and maybe this 189 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 6: is true for the guys, but it's never really been 190 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:53,680 Speaker 6: something that has been especially observed, but for the women 191 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:55,320 Speaker 6: that there's a need to nurture. 192 00:11:56,920 --> 00:12:00,079 Speaker 2: The effects of solitary of spending twenty three hours a 193 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 2: day alone in a cell aren't just psychological. 194 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 8: I remember Krista being pretty curvaceous when I first met her, 195 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 8: and then I remember a period of a time where I 196 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 8: saw her and she could almost literally fit through the 197 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 8: trap because her body had atrophied in such a way. 198 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 2: This is Ashley Sellers. She was incarcerated for twenty one years. 199 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 2: Most of them at the same facility where Krista is 200 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:25,439 Speaker 2: still being held today. 201 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 8: She hasn't had access to nutrition, She hasn't had access 202 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 8: to sunlight to be able to have the capacity to 203 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 8: be bought to have good vitamin D absorption. Bone health 204 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 8: is a huge issue for women period, and if you 205 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:42,319 Speaker 8: don't have access to the sun, if you don't have 206 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 8: access to calcium, your body is just not going to farewell. 207 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 8: And I would say, again, that's probably a huge testament 208 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 8: to why she has experienced the dental problems that she's experienced. 209 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 2: Do you know what those problems are? 210 00:12:57,440 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 3: It's that something to be comfortable sharing. 211 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 8: I don't know if she's completely with denters now. I 212 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:07,439 Speaker 8: don't know that she has any of her natural teeth. 213 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 3: At this point. 214 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:11,680 Speaker 2: And that's just fallen out over the years because of 215 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 2: the conditions in prison. Yeah, over time, with very few 216 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 2: points of contact, Christa was becoming increasingly agitated and desperate. 217 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 7: I mean she would go for days without sleeping. She 218 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 7: was manic and she didn't know why. 219 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 2: That's Kelly Gleeson, one of Krista's attorneys today. 220 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:35,959 Speaker 7: There were symptoms of bipolar a post traumatic stress disorder. 221 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 2: But Christa didn't get a diagnosis of bipolar or PTSD 222 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 2: back then. She got a diagnosis of OCD or obsessive 223 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:44,680 Speaker 2: compulsive disorder, so. 224 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 7: They treated her with prozac that can be contraindicated for 225 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 7: bipolar disorder because it can exacerbate mania. 226 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:56,679 Speaker 2: Instead of the medication helping her, things suddenly took a 227 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 2: very bad turn for Christa. 228 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:02,839 Speaker 7: She was convinc one point. Worms were crawling in the 229 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 7: walls of the prison and they were crumbling the walls, 230 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 7: and she was trying to tell everybody, danger, Danger, the 231 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 7: prison's about to collapse because of the worms in the wall. 232 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 7: She was not well. 233 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 2: This was the summer of two thousand and one. Christa 234 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 2: was miserable, and she decided it was no longer worth 235 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 2: the fight to overturn her death sentence and keep living. 236 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 7: Krista wrote Judge Leebowitz and said, I want to drop 237 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 7: my appeals, drop my post conviction case, and I want 238 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 7: you to set an execution date. 239 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 2: While waiting on that decision, a fire broke out in 240 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 2: a part of the prison. Christa, who usually spent time 241 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 2: alone when she was permitted outside, was briefly paired with 242 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 2: two other inmates in what was called the cage a 243 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 2: fenced in area where she got fresh air for one 244 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 2: hour a day. The other inmates were named Patricia and Natasha. 245 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 2: Patricia was severely mentally ill. 246 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 7: Patricia liked to aggravate Krista by making buzzing noises to 247 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 7: imitate an electric chair. 248 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 3: She also had a lengthy history of violence. 249 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 7: Patricia tried to kill at least three other women. In 250 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 7: one incident, she had taken a woman and rammed her 251 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 7: head between the cell door bars. Krista was able to intervene, 252 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 7: get the woman extracted and help her. In another incident, Patricia, 253 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 7: who is large and has impulse and anger control issues, 254 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 7: she was trying to drown a woman's head in a toilet, 255 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 7: and Christa intervened and was able to pull her away 256 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 7: and save that woman. In another incident, Patricia had taken 257 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 7: a telephone cord and was strangling a woman to death, 258 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 7: and Krista was able to intervene and save that woman's life. 259 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 2: Patricia had been threatening to kill Natasha, the third inmate 260 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 2: in the cage. Natasha had told Krista that she was 261 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 2: terrified of Patricia, and one day in August, things got 262 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 2: bad very fast. 263 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 7: Natasha and Patricia start yelling at each other and Natasha 264 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 7: takes a paunch at Patricia. Krista jumps on Patricia's back, 265 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 7: has a shoelace and pulls it around Patricia's neck untils 266 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 7: She's down on the ground and becomes unconscious, and then 267 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 7: officers intervene. 268 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 2: Krista was charged with attempted murder. She was encouraged to 269 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 2: take a plea deal for a lesser charge, but Christa, 270 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 2: now in solitary for five long years, was so desperate 271 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 2: to get out of her cell that she told her 272 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 2: lawyers she wanted to. 273 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 3: Fight the charges. 274 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 2: Christa wanted to sit in court, to sit shoulder to 275 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 2: shoulder with her lawyers. It was the closest she could 276 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 2: get to a normal world, a world populated with other people, 277 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 2: with conversations and eye contact. She was desperate to change 278 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 2: out of her prison uniform and maybe even wear a dress. 279 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 2: But as her new trial inch closer, things only got 280 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 2: worse and worse and attempted suicide. Where she once hoped 281 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:06,919 Speaker 2: to have her sentence overturned, her only hope now was 282 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 2: the petition she had in front of the court requesting 283 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:11,359 Speaker 2: the expedite her execution. 284 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 9: Well, I can't explain my thinking at the time because 285 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 9: I was insane, I was miserable, and I just didn't 286 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 9: want to be here anymore and was too weak, I 287 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 9: think to take my own life. And I'm not sure, 288 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 9: but it was. 289 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 5: It was. 290 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 9: I was in a really, really bad mental state, really bad. 291 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 3: This is Krista today. 292 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 9: I wasn't diagnosed, and I surely wasn't treated. 293 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 2: When we first started reporting this story, we knew we 294 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 2: needed to hear from Krista directly. We tried to arrange 295 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:55,919 Speaker 2: an interview, but we soon learned that that would be 296 00:17:56,160 --> 00:18:01,200 Speaker 2: near impossible. Christa's access to the outside world is dreamly limited. 297 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 2: She's not allowed to speak to the media without special 298 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:07,439 Speaker 2: permission that's rarely granted, so we had to ask her 299 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 2: lawyers to record an interview with Krista. We provided the 300 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:13,399 Speaker 2: questions they asked them. 301 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 9: And it made me very agitated at times and miserable 302 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 9: at times. It's not easy to live in that mind state. 303 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 2: It wasn't just the isolation and untreated mental illness. Christa 304 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:33,919 Speaker 2: was also grappling with years of neglect and trauma that 305 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 2: shaped who she was in that moment. 306 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 10: So I've been doing forensic work for over thirty years, 307 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 10: and the history that she reported was really remarkable for 308 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:54,360 Speaker 10: just how extensive and severe and chronic her childhood map 309 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 10: treatment history is. 310 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:02,439 Speaker 2: Bethany Brand is Professor Emerita Psychology at Tausan University. She 311 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 2: specializes in trauma disorders. Doctor Brand says that kids who 312 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:10,199 Speaker 2: suffer extreme trauma and abuse at an early age, a 313 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 2: scale referred to as adverse childhood experiences or ACES, often 314 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 2: have lingering damage that lasts well into adulthood. 315 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 11: Children exposed to a very high number of ASES have 316 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 11: incredibly high risk for behavioral problems like aggression, getting picked 317 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 11: on or picking on other kids for example. They have 318 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 11: problems with memory, they don't remember their childhood very well. 319 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:40,360 Speaker 11: They are at high risk for all kinds of psychological 320 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:47,119 Speaker 11: problems depression, anxiety, suicide, attempts to dissociation, all kinds of things. 321 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 11: They have a high need for psychiatric medications. One of 322 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 11: the ACE studies showed that people into their nineties were 323 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 11: at higher risk for needing antidepressants. This stuff doesn't necessarily 324 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 11: go away to because the abuse, the maltreatment is over. 325 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:07,920 Speaker 11: So we're learning as a mental health field that this 326 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:15,360 Speaker 11: changes people's stress response system. It changes the wiring as 327 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 11: well as the structures in their brain, and they don't 328 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:23,400 Speaker 11: respond like non traumatized people when they're under great stress. 329 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:27,679 Speaker 11: It's not that some people are born monsters, it's what 330 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 11: stress and early maltreatment can do to the brain. 331 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:37,400 Speaker 2: In two thousand and two, kristaph finally got what perversely 332 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:41,440 Speaker 2: felt like some form of relief. Judge Lebowitz granted Christa's 333 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:46,399 Speaker 2: wish to drop her appeals and die in court. Christa 334 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:50,680 Speaker 2: sobbed profusely, thanking the judge for letting her end her misery. 335 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 2: Her execution date was set for August two thousand and two. 336 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 2: Not long after, lawyer Kelly Gleason became involved in christ 337 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,880 Speaker 2: this case. Christa was twenty six. 338 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 7: Her attorneys were struggling with how to respond to where 339 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 7: Christa was at, knowing that she's an intelligent person, but 340 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:15,159 Speaker 7: knowing that she was having a very, very difficult time 341 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 7: with her conditions. I was consulting with them and telling 342 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 7: them that they could not let the conditions of confinement 343 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 7: drive her decision making. 344 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 2: Gleeson didn't want Christa to make the decision to die 345 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 2: from a place of desperation. Maybe there was something that 346 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 2: could help Christa relieve the worst of her symptoms. 347 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 7: And That's when they began to request Judge li Bewitz 348 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 7: to appoint an expert to determine whether she was competent 349 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 7: to make the decision, and that is actually what led 350 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 7: to her first being diagnosed with the severe mental illness 351 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:50,160 Speaker 7: of bipolar disorder. 352 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 2: The doctors overseeing Christa's care decided to reevaluate her, and 353 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:59,119 Speaker 2: that's when she was diagnosed with bipolar disorder and PTSD. 354 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,439 Speaker 2: She was put on lithium and her moods stabilized. She 355 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 2: was able to sleep, and she wasn't overcome with self 356 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 2: loathing and a desire to end her life. In July 357 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 2: two thousand and two, just three weeks before she was 358 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:19,359 Speaker 2: scheduled to be executed, Christa's lawyers successfully petitioned the court 359 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 2: to overturn the decision to abandon her appeals. But as 360 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 2: Christa returned to the fight for her life, as she 361 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 2: adapted to her new medications and started therapy and learned 362 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 2: about all the ways she had been set up for 363 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 2: failure in early life, as she grappled with her killing 364 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:39,160 Speaker 2: of Colleen, she and her team would face a new challenge. 365 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 2: What would it take to prove to a court that 366 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 2: she deserves to Live. 367 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 12: I think we have a myth about our justice system 368 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 12: that comes through the news and popular media, something about 369 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 12: how doing this fixes problems and that victims are made 370 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 12: whole once someone has been the victim. However, in a 371 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:10,680 Speaker 12: murder rate, even robberies, it changes the victim and the 372 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 12: victim will never be whole. And we've developed a myth 373 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 12: about our super effective justice system that it does make 374 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 12: people whole and it can't. 375 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 2: That's next time on Proof of Life. 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