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Speaker 1: What's going on everybody? John middle Cop on Freeing Out Podcast,

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Speaker 1: brought to you by the Colin Coward Podcast Network. It's

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Speaker 1: Draft week. If you're listening to this, maybe Wednesday afternoon,

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Speaker 1: maybe Thursday during the day. The draft is finally here.

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Speaker 1: I can't wait. I've been waiting a long long time.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna because this podcast comes out on Wednesday. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna try to keep it time sensitive, and I have

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Speaker 1: a mock draft, but I'm I'm more gonna describe the

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Speaker 1: thinking and the way that I would do it if

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Speaker 1: I was those teams. I have some thoughts on John Dorsey.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna get into right now, and you guys are

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Speaker 1: providing great questions and I'm gonna answer a bunch of them. Again,

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Speaker 1: Like I always say, if you on iTunes, subscribe, rate

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Speaker 1: and in the review section leave your questions and I

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Speaker 1: will get to him. I've been getting to them the

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Speaker 1: last couple of podcasts. I have a bunch of good

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Speaker 1: ones this week, and I'm I'm fired up. Draft week

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Speaker 1: got We'd waited a long long time. One of my

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Speaker 1: favorite weeks of the sports calendar. But but I gotta

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Speaker 1: start with this recent reports. The last several weeks have

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Speaker 1: been that John Dorsey the Cleveland Browns, which I think

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Speaker 1: given the state of their franchise, I've said this and

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Speaker 1: I don't believe it's hyperbole, given that they have the

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Speaker 1: first pick, the fourth pick. They also have the thirty

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Speaker 1: third pick, which is the first pick in the second round,

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Speaker 1: which is anyone knows, is an incredibly valuable pick because

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Speaker 1: basically after Thursday night ends, the draft resets and it's

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Speaker 1: basically just a brand new draft the starting day. So

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Speaker 1: they're at the top of that draft. But they also

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Speaker 1: have the thirty five pick because remember last year when

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Speaker 1: they traded made the trade with Houston, so Houston get

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Speaker 1: up and get to Shaun Watson that they got this

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Speaker 1: year's second and it turns out that Houston ended up

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Speaker 1: sucking because the Shawn Watson got hurt. So one, four,

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Speaker 1: thirty three, and thirty five, four picks inside the top

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Speaker 1: thirty five. That's crazy. I mean, that's basically unheard of

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Speaker 1: John Dorsey, who was brought in because the analytical movement

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Speaker 1: of Sassy Brown was, you know, basically headed or taking

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Speaker 1: the Cleveland brown straight to a I mean, they were complete,

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Speaker 1: they were a laughing stock joke, Sashy Brown, unlike Sam

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Speaker 1: I'm not the biggest Sam Hinky guy, but I do

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Speaker 1: think he is five hundred times more capable than Sassy

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Speaker 1: Brown ever would have been able to be as the

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Speaker 1: leader of the Cleveland Browns. So they bring in John Dorsey,

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Speaker 1: basically the opposite, a quote unquote football guy with a

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Speaker 1: long resume working for the Packers in the front office

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Speaker 1: his buddies that have long resumes, Elliott wolf from the

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Speaker 1: Green Bay Packers who had been Ron Wolfe's son, you know,

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Speaker 1: highly respected guy in the league. Scott McCluin, former Washington

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Speaker 1: Redskins general manager, who's on record as loving Aker Mayfield.

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Speaker 1: And the thing that really stands out to me about

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Speaker 1: understand it that John Dorsey has not told a soul

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Speaker 1: when he hasn't told a soul, the main guy that

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Speaker 1: this situation, you want your head coach and general manager

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Speaker 1: John Lynch the other day for the media, every general

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Speaker 1: talk about what they're doing. And the one thing John

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Speaker 1: him and Kyle Shanahan spent. They're on the same page.

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Speaker 1: They're working in cohesion to try to get the ultimate goal. Well,

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Speaker 1: the Browns aren't. And in fairness to Dorsey, Hugh Jackson

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Speaker 1: why why didn't you just fire him four months ago?

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Speaker 1: Why even put the quarterback whoever you selected. And we'll

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Speaker 1: get into who I think they'll end up taking here

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Speaker 1: and I don't blame John Dorsey for necessarily not telling him,

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Speaker 1: under the radar more than Hugh Jackson. He can't keep

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Speaker 1: But I also think that John Dorsey doesn't think he's

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Speaker 1: very good football coach. You know why, because Hugh Jackson

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Speaker 1: one of the worst thirty two games stretches in the

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Speaker 1: and now you're in a situation where even this offseason

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Speaker 1: you've made big booze for Jarvis Landry. Hugh Jackson had

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Speaker 1: no input in that. But here's the problem. Unlike in

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Speaker 1: basketball with Sam Hinky, Sam Hinky can give his team

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Speaker 1: kind of dictates the game. In baseball, general managers, I

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Speaker 1: game days. In football, it's the opposite general managers. Besides

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Speaker 1: maybe fighting over the last wide receiver or something, on

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Speaker 1: a game day roster has nothing and I repeat, nothing

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Speaker 1: call the plays. They're not a part of the game plan.

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Speaker 1: Maybe they can force you to start a player or not,

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Speaker 1: but still the head coach is in full control once

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Speaker 1: in control from free agency with all his moves and

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Speaker 1: now you know, with as much draft capital as I

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Speaker 1: ever remember. In the top thirty five picks, I mean

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Speaker 1: understand why he's gonna be signing air drafting the players

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Speaker 1: that he wants. The problem is is once they get there,

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Speaker 1: it's so out of his control, you know, coaching these

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Speaker 1: gonna be dealing with Sam Donalds or Josh Allen or

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Speaker 1: He's getting a coach that he clearly doesn't respect that

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Speaker 1: wasted eight months spanned they're gonna have from the moment

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Speaker 1: he could have fired Hugh Jackson. It would have been

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Speaker 1: one of the more intriguing jobs in recent memory. They

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Speaker 1: been around high level coaches. He could have hired his

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Speaker 1: There is a huge negative connotation. I get it, but

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Speaker 1: a very unique situation. The most basic level of football

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Speaker 1: would be the pick, and I'd love it. This would

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Speaker 1: be one of my favorite, Like if I if I

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Speaker 1: still played Madden in the video game, this would be

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Speaker 1: the first team I was in a video game. Once

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Speaker 1: the draft ended. Chicago Bears, I don't really I think

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Speaker 1: this pick is basically already made if it plays out

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Speaker 1: this way. Quentin Nelson played for the offensive line coach

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Speaker 1: that the Chicago Bears hired this offseason, Harry high Stand.

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Speaker 1: I think that's how you say his name. Uh from

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Speaker 1: Notre Dame has coached Quinn Nelson his entire career. Quinn

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Speaker 1: Nelson's one of the better guard prospects in recent memory.

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Speaker 1: Now again, I don't love taking like running backs, I

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Speaker 1: would say I'm even more extreme with guards. I don't

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Speaker 1: like taking guards in the top ten. I don't care

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Speaker 1: how good they are. Historically, you can find guards later

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Speaker 1: in the draft. Look at the Super Bowl. The highest

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Speaker 1: interior offensive lineman guard or center was a third round pick.

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Speaker 1: There were only multiple first round interior offensive lineman in

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Speaker 1: the entire playoffs. David de Castro, you know it's one.

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Speaker 1: He was picked. I think pick twenty four. Pick twenty four.

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Speaker 1: Typically guys don't go super high, even if they're interior linement.

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Speaker 1: They go after pick fifteen. But an individual draft is

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Speaker 1: just based on supply demand. This guy's the best guard.

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Speaker 1: I would say this. It's it's one of the better

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Speaker 1: guard drafts talking to people in the league in recent memory.

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Speaker 1: To me, that means you can get guards later in

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Speaker 1: the draft. But I do think emotion is gonna run

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Speaker 1: high for the Or and high for the Bears. They're

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Speaker 1: gonna have coaches banging the table for this guy. New coach.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's a it's a pretty safe pick, and

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Speaker 1: I think Quinn Nelson goes to the Bears. To me,

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Speaker 1: no brainer. If it falls this way, this guy could

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Speaker 1: easily go. Like it wouldn't shock me if the Denver

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Speaker 1: Broncos drafted ro quansam if and or five. But Roquan Smith,

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Speaker 1: the San fran Sco forty Niners, everything they're going through

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Speaker 1: with Ruben Foster, Uh, to me, it's it's a double win.

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Speaker 1: If Ruben Foster never plays another snap for the San

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Speaker 1: Fransco forty Niners, Rokuan Smith is just your middle linebacker

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Speaker 1: for the foreseeable future, and he could be every bit

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Speaker 1: as impactful as it looked like Ruben Foster could have been.

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Speaker 1: If Ruben Foster's legal troubles are able to go away, uh,

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Speaker 1: she drops the charges whatever, and he is exonerated and

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Speaker 1: is on the team and you know, just has a

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Speaker 1: short suspension and is able to shake these demons, which

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Speaker 1: I would say is a pretty big stretch right now.

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Speaker 1: That would give you one of the best, if not

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Speaker 1: the best young linebacker corps in Ruben Foster and Roquan

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Speaker 1: Smith in recent memory. So you just can't lose if

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Speaker 1: Ruben is able to just somehow. It's it's hard to

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Speaker 1: word this because if he did it, he deserves to

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Speaker 1: go to jail, like it's bigger in football if he

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Speaker 1: hit his girl friend. But if she's lying and it

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Speaker 1: actually didn't happen and it does go away, then I

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Speaker 1: would still even if these things weren't hanging over his

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Speaker 1: head and Ruben was on the team, I think you

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Speaker 1: could easily still justify taking Smith at the ninth pick.

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Speaker 1: And then obviously with all these question marks with Ruben Foster,

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Speaker 1: I think you have to be in the ro Quan

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Speaker 1: Smith business. And then at ten I think this is

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Speaker 1: a tough pick for the Raiders. I've been told from

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Speaker 1: people inside the building that obviously Derwin James, make a

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Speaker 1: Fitzpatrick are in heavy you know, are right up near

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Speaker 1: the desired list of players. But I also think they

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Speaker 1: have a massive and I repeat massive need at right

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Speaker 1: tackle and which ultimately will be their future left tackle

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Speaker 1: because Donald penn is a is an aging older veteran,

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Speaker 1: and I think they're torn right now that if be

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Speaker 1: somewhat of an overdraft, But talking to scouting buddy yesterday,

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Speaker 1: it's a it's got a chance to be a historically

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Speaker 1: poor not necessarily we know things after the fact play

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Speaker 1: out where it's not as bad of a draft, but

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Speaker 1: just based on the prospects on college tape, historically poor

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Speaker 1: tackle draft, they're terrible. There may be two or three

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Speaker 1: guys at best the team's field could be starters. That's

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Speaker 1: not good. So that means once you get past the

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Speaker 1: first round and mcclinchy, Colton Miller, some of these guys

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Speaker 1: come off the board, you are left with nothing. So

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Speaker 1: if you do need a tackle, you might have to

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Speaker 1: overdraft him a little bit. And I say this all

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Speaker 1: the time. The NFL draft is just a marketplace based

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Speaker 1: on supply demand, what you have to pay for something

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Speaker 1: or what you could pay for something later and get

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Speaker 1: a better return on investment. That's why I'm always okay

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Speaker 1: with taking guards later on the draft. Look Andrew Norville,

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Speaker 1: the offensive guard for the Carolina Panthers that just became

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Speaker 1: the highest paid guard in the history of the league

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Speaker 1: for the Jacksonville Jaguars sign him as a free agent,

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Speaker 1: was an undrafted free agent. I'd say, you know, the

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Speaker 1: second best guard in the league Collectiossemily Uh that plays

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Speaker 1: for the Oakland Raiders, was a second round pick. So

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Speaker 1: you can get good guards, you know, in the later rounds.

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Speaker 1: Even the same thing with centers. Jason Kelsey was an

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Speaker 1: All Pro last year for the Super Bowl champion Philadelphi Eagles.

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Speaker 1: I was there in Philly when it happened. He went

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Speaker 1: the sixth round. But if you want tackles, historically and

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Speaker 1: just look at the last several years, the good ones

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Speaker 1: go high, and they go really high, like top fifteen.

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Speaker 1: So if you want to get a good one, usually

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Speaker 1: have to get aggressive and use a lot of draft

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Speaker 1: capital on them. So I I think that Minca Fitzpatrick

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Speaker 1: will be the pick. But I think McGlinchey, the tackle

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Speaker 1: that would probably start out at right tackle for the

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Speaker 1: Raiders if he would be the selection isn't heavy and

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Speaker 1: I repeat heavy consideration come draft day. Let's get to

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Speaker 1: some questions. Uh, we do it every week here on

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Speaker 1: Three and Out. Go to iTunes in the review sections, subscribe,

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Speaker 1: rate and leave a question in the review you section

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Speaker 1: and we'll get to it. And there's been a ton

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Speaker 1: really the last two weeks of good questions. But I

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Speaker 1: guess start with Casey Simon sent me an email. He says,

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Speaker 1: I don't use iTunes, but I love the Three and

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Speaker 1: Out podcasts. Y's pretty good question. Is there a devaluation

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Speaker 1: of edge rushers and tackles due to the increased use

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Speaker 1: of r p os in the NFL. I was always

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Speaker 1: led to believe that you build your franchise quarterback edge

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Speaker 1: rusher left tackle, say, I think most of us are

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Speaker 1: but and to protect the quarterback. But I think that

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Speaker 1: is somewhat of an outdated strategy, using the upcoming draft

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Speaker 1: as an example, increasing importance on some of these interior

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Speaker 1: defensive tackles like the Brian Kid from I think Florida, Moherst, Michigan,

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Speaker 1: who can get up the field quickly, and also interior

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Speaker 1: guards like Quentin Nelson, Isaiah Win Hernandez to block some

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Speaker 1: of these players. Brings up pretty good point, and I

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Speaker 1: would I would agree from the sense that I think

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Speaker 1: there has never been more and maybe it's just the

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Speaker 1: influx of athletes. It's just hard to find. Typically, you know,

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Speaker 1: defensive tackles. If you're a defensive tackle at minimum, you

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Speaker 1: wait to eight five right to eighty to ninety uh

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Speaker 1: that are really good athletes and usually be a good

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Speaker 1: pass rusher, you have to be very, very explosive, and

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Speaker 1: they're just when I was in the league held eight

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Speaker 1: years ago, they were just it was difficult. Not many

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Speaker 1: teams had good pass rusher, good interior pass rushers. Remember

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Speaker 1: the Giants on their Super Bowl runs would do the

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Speaker 1: Amiba NASCAR packages and they'd use a lot of defensive ends,

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Speaker 1: whether it was Tuck h o c That last year

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Speaker 1: the first championship with stray Hand uh Kiwa Nuka was

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Speaker 1: kind of a hybrid and they line them up over

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Speaker 1: the guards or centers. Now there are so many of

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Speaker 1: the Aaron Donald's of Fletcher Cox. There's a lot of

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Speaker 1: LEI legitimate defensive tackles that can rush to the pass rusher.

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Speaker 1: I still believe. And if you look at the best

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Speaker 1: defensive line in the league last year was Jacksonville Jaguars,

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Speaker 1: their edge rush was elite. Obviously, you have to have

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Speaker 1: a really good interior pass rusher, but there's nothing like

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Speaker 1: an edge rusher now. I know quarterbacks have gone on

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Speaker 1: record that says interior pass rusher gets to them more.

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Speaker 1: I also think just the nature of the drills they

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Speaker 1: run are always based on stepping up, and you're naturally

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Speaker 1: gonna step up to make throws. But I still believe,

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Speaker 1: and I've seen it with Khalil Mack, Uh, he can

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Speaker 1: line up over guards. There's nothing like having Khalil Mack.

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Speaker 1: You know of Von Miller, a player like that. That's

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Speaker 1: why Bradley Chubb is gonna go high in this draft.

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Speaker 1: It's why I'm a little disappointed right now with Solomon

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Speaker 1: Thomas who went three last year. That's not a great

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Speaker 1: edge rusher. But but I do think it's definitely changed

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Speaker 1: a little bit, just because I think there are more players,

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Speaker 1: uh there there is just a wider supply right now

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Speaker 1: of guys that can do it and do it at

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Speaker 1: a high level. I also think though a lot of

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Speaker 1: these incoming young guys, and we've seen the last four

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Speaker 1: or five years, Like you can line up Clowney over

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Speaker 1: a guard, you can line up Khalil Mack over a guard.

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Speaker 1: Bradley Chubb can line up everywhere. That's what made J. J.

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Speaker 1: Wats so dominant. He could line up every that's the

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Speaker 1: ultimate and that's the one thing. Like Fletcher Cox probably

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Speaker 1: a little more than Aaron Donald. You can just line

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Speaker 1: up at defensive end. I like a guy. To me,

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Speaker 1: it's always This is always true and probably any walk

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Speaker 1: of life, any business you work, and the more you

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Speaker 1: can do, like if you're a financial analyst that can

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Speaker 1: also you know, right the contracts you know at your company,

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Speaker 1: so you can value money and you can write the contracts,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna be more valuable than just the guy that

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Speaker 1: can do one of the two things. It's just like, well,

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Speaker 1: if you can rush over a tackle and over guard,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna have more value than a guy that can

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Speaker 1: just do one or the other right Like von Miller.

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Speaker 1: I mean, now he's a Hall of Famer, but he's

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Speaker 1: just an edge rusher. That's that's he's technically, and whatever

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Speaker 1: you consider their defense. He's a defensive end, outside linebacker.

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Speaker 1: He's coming over the edge. I would rather have. You know,

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Speaker 1: if obviously a guy's got to be healthy, Clowney wasn't,

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Speaker 1: but Clowney what Clowney could become. You can line them

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Speaker 1: up everywhere, and there's a value in that. I still believe,

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Speaker 1: and maybe I'll be proven wrong over the next three

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Speaker 1: or four years. You can still find guards. Uh. Later

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Speaker 1: in the draft. Uh, you don't necessarily need to take

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Speaker 1: a guy super high, but that they're gonna be I

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Speaker 1: would imagine five guards go in the top forty. So

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Speaker 1: there is clearly with all the influx of these talented

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Speaker 1: interior pass rushers. Uh. I wouldn't say the teams have

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Speaker 1: changed necessarily their strategy. You just I think Bill Parcel

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Speaker 1: has had a famous quote. You know, we can only

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Speaker 1: coach what we're given, and right now they're just given

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Speaker 1: more guards than they are tackles. But to me, tackles

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Speaker 1: are still really important setting the edge in football, just

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Speaker 1: outside runs, you know, speed option pass routes are are

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Speaker 1: always going to be important parts of the playbook, and

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Speaker 1: I don't think that will ever change. And I don't

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Speaker 1: think the the the value of the tackle position will

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Speaker 1: will diminish anytime soon. Next question, Kobe D This is

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Speaker 1: a pretty good one. What characteristics do you look for

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Speaker 1: in evaluating a college quarterback? I love this and I

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Speaker 1: think there's so many characteristics, and really like when you

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Speaker 1: talk about height, when you talk about weight, when you

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Speaker 1: talk about athleticism, when we're talking about the top guys,

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Speaker 1: they clearly have that. So I I didn't throw that

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Speaker 1: down here. Any measurables, even arm strength. I would say

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Speaker 1: of this class, Baker Mayfield probably has the worst arm

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Speaker 1: and I say worst like least strong arm of obviously

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen, Rosen, Donald and him. But they all have

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Speaker 1: enough arm strength to play at the NFL level. So again,

642
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Speaker 1: like that is all just assumed. Uh for me, I

643
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Speaker 1: my ranking was pretty easy, and the irony is only

644
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Speaker 1: one of these things is really a physical characteristic. It

645
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Speaker 1: shows you the importance of quarterback. So much stuff is

646
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Speaker 1: off the field. Number one is accuracy. You have to

647
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Speaker 1: be accurate to play in the NFL at every level, short, intermediate, long. UH.

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Speaker 1: If you're not accurate, if you cannot complete passes, you

649
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Speaker 1: cannot play the position. We see it time and time again.

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Speaker 1: Inaccurate quarterbacks do not last, and there are there's an

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Speaker 1: outline like Cam Newton, somewhat of an outlier where you

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Speaker 1: know what, he's one of the greatest running quarterbacks we've

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Speaker 1: ever seen, and the year he won the m v P,

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Speaker 1: I think it was actually his most accurate season. He

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Speaker 1: also had ten rushing touchdowns. They ran quarterback power. So

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Speaker 1: if if he was just a terrible athlete and had

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Speaker 1: to throw, he could not do it. You have to

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Speaker 1: be accurate. You don't need to be Drew Brees accurate,

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Speaker 1: but you have to be accurate to play at a

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Speaker 1: high level. It's why all the good quarterbacks, especially the

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Speaker 1: top five six guys in the NFL, UH, they are

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Speaker 1: just accurate passers. It's why I'm so bullish on Jimmy

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Speaker 1: Garoppolo that's only started seven. He's just a naturally accurate passer. Now,

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Speaker 1: some guys can't like Derek Carr. Again, I'm a huge

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Speaker 1: Derek Carr guy. I wouldn't call him just an innately,

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Speaker 1: you know, high end accuracy passer, but when he's playing well,

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00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 1: he's more than accurate enough. Uh, and he's more of

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00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,720
Speaker 1: a rhythm guy. Same with the Jamis Winston's of the world.

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson has gotten a lot better, but you have

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Speaker 1: to be accurate then. To me, it's the big intangible stuff,

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Speaker 1: your character, what you're like, that factors into how you

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Speaker 1: act in the locker room, how people like you know,

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00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:38,359
Speaker 1: you know, revolve the entire franchise revolves around you. You know,

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Speaker 1: everyone in that locker room, on the practice field, in

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00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:45,359
Speaker 1: the media is looking at you. So your character just

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00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,319
Speaker 1: gets exposed. I mean, it's just the one position. I'd

677
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 1: say that in NBA Superstar, which you can't hide from.

678
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 1: Who you truly are comes out, and for the most part,

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00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: most guys have been in the same kind of character

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00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 1: bubb typically really really high level guys. And I would

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00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: also throw a work ethic in that you know how

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Speaker 1: much you're willing to grind when no one's looking. It's

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00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 1: it's a lifestyle because playing NFL quarterback and really college quarterback,

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Speaker 1: for for this sake of argument, is just is your life.

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Speaker 1: You know you probably you're gonna have a family one

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00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: day or whatever. But once the season starts four six months,

687
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: you've read these stories on Peyton Manning or Tom Brady

688
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 1: they're texting their offensive coordinator. It consumes you it's all

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Speaker 1: you think about. At least it has to be for

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Speaker 1: you to be good. If it's all consuming, you've got

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Speaker 1: a chance to be great. And last, this is somewhat

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Speaker 1: tangible and a little intangible. You have to be the

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Speaker 1: most competitive guy on the field because everyone's looking at

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Speaker 1: you to fail, everyone's looking at you when you win.

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00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 1: Everyone's depending on you every play. You literally touched the

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Speaker 1: ball every play. Uh. You just have to be the

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Speaker 1: most competitive guy on the team. And I think in

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Speaker 1: the history of the top guy eyes from Joe Montana

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Speaker 1: to Tom Brady to Brett Farve to Peyton Manning to

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Speaker 1: Marino to Elway to the guys now that Drew Brees

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00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 1: still absolutely grinding at thirty eight years old. Just the

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Speaker 1: guys in the league like Roethlisberger and Rivers, just how

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Speaker 1: competitive they are. That doesn't mean you're always gonna win,

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Speaker 1: because you're not. It doesn't mean you're always gonna make

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Speaker 1: the playoffs every year. I mean, look at Philip Rivers.

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Speaker 1: He struggles to make the playoffs every year. But I

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00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 1: never watched him and go, you know, he's just not

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Speaker 1: competitive enough. There's something, there's a competitive juice and Alex

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Speaker 1: Smith that I don't think he gets quite enough credit

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Speaker 1: for he was basically buried for dead in San Francisco

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Speaker 1: before Jim Harbaugh got here. He was basically called out

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Speaker 1: for faking an injury that wasn't true back in the

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Speaker 1: day by you know, the Mike Nolan Mike Singletary regime.

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Speaker 1: And there's a competitive nature in all these guys that

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Speaker 1: just is a willingness to overcome anything. So to me, accuracy,

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Speaker 1: your character, slash work ethic, and your your competitive nature

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00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: drive are the things that I would look for. And

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Speaker 1: it shows you why it's so hard and we have

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Speaker 1: so many bus because two of those three things, uh,

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Speaker 1: and we'll see it in this draft. Like accuracy. We

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00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 1: all can google a guy's box score or stats or

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00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 1: just watch the tape and know if he's accurate or not.

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Speaker 1: The other things are hard to quantify. Man. Uh, It's

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Speaker 1: just it's really hard, and I think it's why we'll

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Speaker 1: consistently see so many quarterbacks to get drafted high be

726
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 1: weeded out of the league so fast. Let's go to

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00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:26,879
Speaker 1: Bengals game plan is a pretty good question. We don't

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Speaker 1: talk much about the Bengals on here, but just the

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00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: basic part of this question is why can't the Bengals

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Speaker 1: put it together? And I really think that they blew there.

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Speaker 1: They blew their shot because I would say there was

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Speaker 1: a four year stretch like two thousand, twelve, two fourteen, fifteen. Uh,

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Speaker 1: they had one of, if not the best rosters in

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Speaker 1: the NFL. I think the year that Andy Dalton broke

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Speaker 1: his thumb and A. J. McCarron ended up remember having

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Speaker 1: to start a playoff game was kind of their year

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Speaker 1: to make a legitimate run. They were so stacked on

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Speaker 1: both sides of the ball. Uh. Now a lot of

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Speaker 1: those players are gone. There's been a huge turnover on

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Speaker 1: their roster. I think Marvin Lewis gets somewhat of a

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Speaker 1: bad rap. He's clearly a really good coach. I know

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Speaker 1: he couldn't win a playoff game, but I think they're

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00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 1: kind of gonna have to start over. They did an

744
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: incredible job starting with that Carson Palmer trade, getting multiple

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Speaker 1: first round picks, and they never flinched. Uh, just nailing

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Speaker 1: draft pick after draft pick. And at the end of

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Speaker 1: the day, their quarterback is just somewhat of a limited guy.

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Speaker 1: But I do think you probably couldn't have won the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl with him. But the year he broke his thumb.

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Speaker 1: Hugh Jackson's last year in Cincinnati, that that was their

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Speaker 1: year at least to be like to the championship game.

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Speaker 1: And I think you see him that they still do

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Speaker 1: a good job that clearly value size, value athleticism. They're

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Speaker 1: gonna be a tough out always. They've actually under Marvin

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Speaker 1: Lewis been a pretty well run operation for despite having

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Speaker 1: a super cheap owner. But but I think they're just

757
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: their window kind of closed, and they had a great

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00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: opening when their team was so damn good. I vividly

759
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 1: remember Week one, I think it was Jack del Rio's

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Speaker 1: first year as the Oakland Raiders head coach, going to

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00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,320
Speaker 1: the Colisseum and watching that game. It was pretty well hyped.

762
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 1: The Bengals beat the living ship out of them. Their

763
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 1: team was so big coming out of the locker room,

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Speaker 1: and I remember working for the Philadelphia Eagles, they were

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Speaker 1: one of the biggest teams in the league. They just,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's gonna have to I would imagine this

767
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 1: probably Marvin Lewis's last year and potentially Andy daltons last year.

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Speaker 1: They're just gonna need to kind of restart, you know,

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Speaker 1: start start over. But they had a pretty good run.

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Speaker 1: I mean they good regular seasons, they just couldn't win

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Speaker 1: in the playoffs. Last question from t Store, what do

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Speaker 1: the Eagles do at thirty two in a perfect world?

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Speaker 1: Do they trade back they don't have, you know, second

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Speaker 1: or third round pick to acquire some more picks. I

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Speaker 1: think at the end of the day, depending on if

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Speaker 1: they just love a guy and he's there at thirty

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Speaker 1: two and they're gonna be in the mix four running backs,

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00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 1: they need a legit starting running back that why wouldn't

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Speaker 1: the Eagles that do not have picks, And then the

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Speaker 1: very next day trade back if it's just three or

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Speaker 1: four spots to a team like the Colts with the

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Speaker 1: multiple second round picks. Maybe the Browns want to come

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Speaker 1: back up and get another first round pick to acquire

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Speaker 1: maybe another third round pick, So you go back to

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Speaker 1: the second round. You get a cheaper asset on a

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00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 1: team where money is a really big deal because they

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00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:23,399
Speaker 1: have a very expensive UH team draft or running back.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you want Darius Guys, maybe he'll be gone, but

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00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 1: you can end up with Sony Michelle or Nick Chubb

790
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 1: and you get a legitimate starter at actually a cheaper price,

791
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 1: while you acquire a pick and able to get another

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00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: guy in the third round. I think that's what they do.

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Speaker 1: I heard I think Adam Schefter say it on the

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00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 1: Peter King podcast that them and the Seattle Seahawks are

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00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: two teams to keep an eye on from moving back.

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00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 1: Seattle obviously has a long history of moving back. They

797
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:53,760
Speaker 1: usually don't give out first round grades very liberally. Uh.

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Speaker 1: You know, feels like they have ten first rounders graded

799
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,919
Speaker 1: every year, so I would not be shocked to see

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Speaker 1: Seattle move back. And and definitely the Eagles, even if

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00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 1: it was just four, three or four spots. Sucks not

802
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,359
Speaker 1: having a first round pick, But if you're picking really

803
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,879
Speaker 1: high in the second round and you can acquire an

804
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 1: extra third round pick when you don't have a third

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Speaker 1: round pick, I think that's the move. I appreciate everyone listening.

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Speaker 1: Will be out next Wednesday with basically a full recap

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Speaker 1: of of this week's draft. Uh, things I like, things

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Speaker 1: I don't like. I'm sure I'll be hot on a

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Speaker 1: on a couple of big moves. Hopefully some crazy stuff happens.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate everyone listening. Go to iTunes, subscribe, rate, leave

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Speaker 1: your questions like I just did. We'll answer them every podcast,

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Speaker 1: and I'll see you next week on the Colin Coward Podcast.

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Speaker 1: Pick one,