1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio Happy Friday. I have Tracy V. 3 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 1: Wilson and I'm Holly Fry. This week on the show, 4 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:21,119 Speaker 1: we talked about Kutzoo. I said that quiet least, I 5 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 1: feel like for some reason we talked about And so 6 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: one of the things that I do on a regular basis, 7 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: I have this giant collection of RSS feeds from all 8 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: of these places that published articles that are related to 9 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 1: history and archaeology in some way, and I go through 10 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:43,199 Speaker 1: them regularly to bookmark stuff that might make an appearance 11 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 1: in a forthcoming Unearthed episode. Um and some of the 12 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:50,880 Speaker 1: places that publish these various articles don't strictly publish about 13 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 1: archaeology and history, and so there will be articles that 14 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 1: are not exactly in the same umbrella. And one of 15 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: those recently was about the discovery of a fossil of 16 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: a plant that dinosaurs had eaten, and the headline for 17 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 1: this article had described it as dinosaur food, and so 18 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: my mind kind of went, hey self, do you remember 19 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:17,960 Speaker 1: when you were a child and you thought that kud 20 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: zoo was dinosaur food because you could imagine a big 21 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:23,960 Speaker 1: old bronosaurus just like eating the kudzoo out of the 22 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 1: top of a tree. Uh, And that pretty quickly went 23 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: to we should do a podcast about kut zoo because 24 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: I really want to find out how much of my 25 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:38,119 Speaker 1: incredibly limited understanding of how we got so much kud 26 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:43,559 Speaker 1: zoo is actually true. So you grew up in the South. 27 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: I moved to the South when I was nine from 28 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 1: the Pacific Northwest, and I similarly the way people described 29 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 1: it was like it's coming for you. Yeah, like a 30 00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 1: Stephen King novel that the kudzoo will kill us all 31 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: if we don't monitor in it at all times. You 32 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 1: don't sleep with your windows open because the kudzu vine 33 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:10,360 Speaker 1: might come in while you're sleeping and strangling. Let me 34 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 1: tell you, in my experience, Privet is way worse. But Yeah, 35 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:19,239 Speaker 1: I had a fight with some asiatic bitter sweet over 36 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: the weekend that um is growing around our house. And um, 37 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: this is year three of trying to get rid of 38 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 1: the bitter Sweet. It's it's not great. UM. A lot 39 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: of the other invasive plants that we mentioned in the 40 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 1: episode are plants that I've heard of before. UM. Some 41 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 1: of them specifically, I've heard about how much damage they're 42 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 1: doing in particular ecosystems where they have really taken off 43 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 1: and thrived. I did not really realize how many of 44 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 1: them are just such a much bigger problem than kud 45 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:56,919 Speaker 1: Zoo is covering just a lot more acreage and damaging 46 00:02:56,919 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 1: a lot more other plants. But because like kutzu, has 47 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:04,640 Speaker 1: become this shorthand for the invasive thing that is taking 48 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 1: everything over. Yeah, I will say, And I was glad 49 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 1: you mentioned goats at the end, because in my head 50 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:14,239 Speaker 1: I just kept going like, get the goats, just get 51 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:17,360 Speaker 1: the get the The goats can do steep hills. They'll 52 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:21,639 Speaker 1: eat happily for a long time until you stop them. Yep, goats, 53 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 1: it seems like the easiest. And who doesn't love a goat. 54 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 1: I mean, you can rent goats to come to your 55 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 1: house and devour the things that you don't want to 56 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 1: deal with. Yep, and a goat tender will come with them. 57 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 1: You just get to stand there and watch goats. That's great. 58 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 1: I've solved kutzoo. You guys, no one else thought of 59 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 1: this before. Holly has the kad zoo answer. Uh yeah, 60 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: so man, that James, Dicky poeam. I feel like eighty 61 00:03:54,760 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 1: percent of the articles that I read referenced that um, 62 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: either referencing it or quoting from it. There was one 63 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 1: honestly pretty pro kadzoo book that I read that included 64 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 1: a lot of recipes for you know, wass to cook 65 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:17,480 Speaker 1: with katzoo and craft instructions for things to make with katzoo, uh, 66 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 1: you know, generally presenting kadzoo as a plant that has 67 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 1: a lot of uses and that we should learn to 68 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:28,479 Speaker 1: live with and uh and learn from. Printed this entire 69 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 1: poem at the beginning of it, you know, apparently with 70 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:34,279 Speaker 1: permission of either James Dickey or James I guess James 71 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 1: Dicky was still living when this book was printed. And 72 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: the poem is not pro kudzoo in any way. The 73 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: poem is very anti kadzoo. Kadzoo was like a monstrous 74 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 1: for voting kind of evil presence in this poem. And 75 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 1: also I find the poem to be racist. It's got 76 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: a lot of overtones about like in invading Japanese people 77 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:59,919 Speaker 1: and invading immigrants, and like, I did not love it. 78 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: I got very tired of hearing it. And I got 79 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 1: to this point late in the day when I only 80 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 1: had three or four articles left to go and I 81 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 1: was like, please, please, no more James Dickey. James Dickey 82 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:13,599 Speaker 1: also the author of Deliverance, a book that I feel 83 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 1: like reinforced a lot of incredibly negative stereotypes about South 84 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: and about men. So had just a lot of James 85 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 1: Dickey frustration while working on this show. Safe to say, 86 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 1: Tracy is not a James Dickey fan. There are other 87 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 1: Southern riders, y'all, so many. Um. I only recently discovered, uh, 88 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: the use of arrowroot in cooking, So I didn't realize until, 89 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:46,720 Speaker 1: like I said, fairly recently in the last year and 90 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 1: a half, that kud Zoo had all of these fabulous 91 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 1: cooking options that came in. Now I'm like looking around 92 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 1: the backyard going where's some kud Zoo come here? Which 93 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 1: is not wise. I had to get an app that 94 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: takes pictures of you take a picture of your plan. 95 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 1: It goes no, no, no, don't eat that U. Yeah. Um. 96 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: You can also buy like Kudzoo powder um at a 97 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 1: lot of Asian markets and possibly how I discovered it. Yeah, um, 98 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 1: I thought about making a little field trip to an 99 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 1: Asian market, um, and I did not. I did not 100 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: get around to that. Um. While working on this, uh, 101 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 1: some of the things that I had seen people make 102 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:31,840 Speaker 1: with Kadzo, because there's been kind of a Kudzoo renaissance 103 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:34,159 Speaker 1: in some ways, people trying to like sort of reclaim 104 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: Kudzoo as a thing that can really be a delicacy. 105 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 1: And I saw some chefs that were working in Kudzoo 106 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 1: with Kadzoo in ways that seemed just really interesting and beautiful. 107 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 1: Even um. I came away, like I think I said 108 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: in the episode that when I was a kid, especially 109 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: when it was green, I actually thought Katzo was kind 110 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 1: of pretty. And I came away from the episode more 111 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:02,600 Speaker 1: sympathetic to a kad Zoo than I had been before. 112 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:05,279 Speaker 1: I don't think I ever went through a kud Zoo 113 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: dislike period. I'm just like many people I think that 114 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: actually live in the South. At this point, you're like, 115 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 1: that's Katzu. Yeah, I got deal with it, or just 116 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 1: let it be, let it, let it win. We um. 117 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: We live in a cul de sac that's kind of 118 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 1: at the bottom of two hills, and across the street 119 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 1: from our cul de sac is a ravine codd in Kudzu. Yeah, 120 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 1: it seems like a good spot for some kad Zoo. 121 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: It's quite beautiful. We get a lot of rain. In 122 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 1: the rain runoff always goes towards that ravine um and 123 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: it's also where a lot of feral cats live, so 124 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 1: apparently cats love it as well. In my head, they 125 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 1: have like a Miyazaki level cat kingdom developed in the 126 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 1: kad Zoo over there. But that I have always been curious, 127 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 1: and I've never asked any of the people that live 128 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 1: on that side of the thoroughfare if they're fighting with 129 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 1: the Kudzoo. Were just sort of, you know, it's it's 130 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 1: kind of naturally being beaten back by just them living 131 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: and using that land in whatever way they use it. 132 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 1: But happy in the ravine forever. Yeah. Um. I remember 133 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 1: there being this one patch of kud Zoo right by 134 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: my elementary school when I was a child, and it 135 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: was like the elementary school, the school athletic fields where 136 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: we all played kickball or whatever it recess, and then 137 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 1: this kind of oddly shaped patch of woods that was 138 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 1: adjacent like between the road and the school property that 139 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 1: had been taken over by Kudzoo. And I have not 140 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:48,559 Speaker 1: driven through there and some years at this point, so 141 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: I looked on Google street View and it doesn't appear 142 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 1: that it's there anymore. So I wonder if someone made 143 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:58,960 Speaker 1: the effort to to get rid of it, or if 144 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 1: I have misremember ring where that stand of Kudzoo was 145 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 1: that I'm driving past all the time in my childhood. Well, 146 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:07,679 Speaker 1: the good news is if someone got rid of it, 147 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: probably it's babies live on somewhere in the air somewhere else. 148 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:17,200 Speaker 1: One of the things we talked about this week was 149 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:21,559 Speaker 1: Harriet Quimby yep, who, as we mentioned, appeared in the 150 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 1: in the show before, but just one part of four 151 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: in an episode, and I was like, Oh, there's so 152 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:29,959 Speaker 1: much good stuff about her life, she needs her own. Yeah. 153 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 1: There are a few a few prior Hosts episodes that 154 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 1: incorporate multiple people to look at some specific facet of something. Um, 155 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 1: it's not exactly like the Six Impossible Episodes series that 156 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:46,320 Speaker 1: we've done, but you know, like that one is about 157 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 1: four specific flights that were done by female aviators, and 158 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 1: I think this is the second time that one of 159 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 1: those aviators has then made another appearance on the show, 160 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 1: because one of them is also Jackie cochrane Um. And 161 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 1: I resisted doing a full episode on Jackie Cochrane for 162 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:02,680 Speaker 1: a really long time because she had already been in 163 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 1: that earlier thing. But that earlier thing really is like 164 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 1: five minutes on her Yeah, and both Jackie Cochranane Harriet 165 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 1: certainly worthy of more discussion than that. We talked about 166 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 1: it some in the episode, but I really, like I said, 167 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: I really did want to make sure we highlighted how 168 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 1: much like she gets called an aviator all the time, 169 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 1: but really journalism was driving the bus in heriot's life. 170 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:28,680 Speaker 1: That was That was the whole reason she even went 171 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 1: to watch a plane flight demonstration for the first time. 172 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:35,680 Speaker 1: Was like, oh, I could write about that. Um, you know, 173 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 1: if she hadn't been a journalist, she would not have 174 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:42,199 Speaker 1: have ended up there being captivated by all things new 175 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 1: and exciting as she tended to be. I will say this, 176 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:49,680 Speaker 1: if you look at her articles, she was not a 177 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 1: brief writer. Like she would write very lengthy, really well 178 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 1: written articles, but like they were, they were not short. 179 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 1: She tended to write long form articles, one of which 180 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:01,719 Speaker 1: I I stumbled across and I didn't really use it 181 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:04,599 Speaker 1: as a source because it wasn't really germane to the 182 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 1: the story, but like she read this whole article at 183 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 1: one point about the importance of starting art schools in 184 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:15,080 Speaker 1: the United States, uh, and how we needed our own 185 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 1: art tradition that was supported by a really strong and 186 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 1: well thought out curriculum for people that were coming up 187 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:26,320 Speaker 1: and wanted to be artists and to celebrate the culture 188 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 1: that we already had as a melting pot. And it 189 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: was quite quite fun to read. Yeah, she also read 190 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 1: a great article that I stumbled across about where she 191 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 1: kind of turns the table on gender roles in acting. 192 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 1: Where there were already so many articles about uh starlets 193 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:48,319 Speaker 1: who were just you know, lured by by the magic 194 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 1: of potentially being famous and a being on screen, and 195 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 1: she wrote one that's all about like young and up 196 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:57,679 Speaker 1: and coming actors and she kind of talks about them 197 00:11:57,679 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: in the same language, which is pretty funny. And even 198 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 1: as at the top of the article, I know what 199 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: you're about to read, you would normally think was about women, 200 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:09,679 Speaker 1: but it's about guys, and it's just very you see 201 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 1: how she was able to really ride that line of 202 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 1: being a little bit cheeky and challenging her readers, but 203 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:20,560 Speaker 1: also being so charming and winsome in the way that 204 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 1: she wrote that people were like of course we should 205 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 1: talk about this. She didn't seem to ever have a 206 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:27,559 Speaker 1: lot of backlash even when she did write some pretty 207 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 1: challenging articles um, which is interesting and not something that 208 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 1: gets talked about much at all. I will say this, 209 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 1: I'm completely captivated by that purple satin jumpsuit. Yeah, hello, 210 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:44,960 Speaker 1: future Halloween outfits. There are pictures of it. It's darling. Yeah, 211 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 1: It's one of those things where there are some descriptions 212 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 1: you'll read of her, you know, kind of getting to 213 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 1: the airfield, particularly if they were local to New York, 214 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 1: and you know, driving up in her car and getting 215 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: out and just kind of looking like this sort of unusual, 216 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 1: completely original fashion plate and and being It reminded me 217 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:06,560 Speaker 1: a little bit of when we talked about Katie Sandwina, 218 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 1: who was this woman who was the opposite of diminutive. 219 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 1: You know, she was a tall woman and very strong, 220 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 1: but also always like dressed to the nines and her 221 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 1: nails were always done. And it's kind of like that, like, 222 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 1: here's a woman who is challenging everything you think about 223 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 1: what a woman's role is, but she also knows how 224 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 1: to stay within people's perceptions of what a woman should 225 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 1: be just enough that she didn't make anybody angry about it, 226 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 1: and there was a level of acceptance there which seemed 227 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: to be her entire ethos, like in saying, oh, no, 228 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 1: I'm not a feminist. I don't believe in that. Oh, 229 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 1: of course women should vote and have equal rights, but 230 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 1: I'm not a feminist. I don't know. I don't want 231 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 1: to get mad about it, which is just an interesting 232 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 1: thing to unpluck. And I think they're you will hear 233 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:58,199 Speaker 1: similar things today, Like I feel like the idea of 234 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 1: of of people saying oh, I'm not a fines but 235 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: and then having all of the same perspectives as like 236 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 1: mainstream feminism, like that still happens. Yes, I a hundred 237 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 1: percent for sure said that when I was in college, 238 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 1: I remember the same, same, same, same, same same. We 239 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 1: did not get into John Moisant, but he's another one 240 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 1: that could be an episode on his own, because there's 241 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 1: some there's a lot to unpack there, like where his 242 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 1: money came from and his life which was involved with 243 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 1: revolutions and all kinds of things before his untimely death. 244 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 1: I feel like all of the people, it seems in 245 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 1: early Aviation also have a whole other backstory of being 246 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 1: sort of remarkable, which is probably what led them to 247 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 1: embrace this sort of dangerous and completely new and untested area. 248 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 1: There's like a personality typing that you could probably do 249 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 1: if you wanted to make a big grid about it. 250 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 1: But yes, again a great great Halloween costume idea that 251 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 1: purple satin wool lined to jumpsuit. Yeah, nice and warm 252 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 1: for cool weather Halloween too. Oh yeah, that's another thing 253 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 1: that comes up that's funny is the ways that people 254 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 1: tried to help her make sure she was warm enough 255 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 1: on her flights, particularly at English Channel flight, where they're like, 256 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 1: she's wearing the jumpsuit, but she has two coats on 257 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 1: top of it, and some of us stuff some newspapers 258 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 1: in around her. And also we put a water bottle 259 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 1: in her lap, a hot water bottle, because we don't 260 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 1: know if she's going to be able to handle the 261 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 1: cold weather up there. Um because again imagine open cockpit, 262 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 1: like no one could probably without a little bit of help, 263 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 1: handle that kind of temperature change. Uh So, But again 264 00:15:56,520 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 1: I hope my fingers are crossed, my fingers toes, hair follicles, etcetera, 265 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 1: that we will see someone dressed as Harriet Quimby for Halloween. 266 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 1: That is my wish this year. So again, Happy Friday, everybody. 267 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 1: Hope we've got good things on your plate for the weekend. 268 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 1: Whatever is on your plate for the weekend, I hope 269 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 1: it's awesome. 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