1 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: Welcome Bird Gang. On today's show, year two for Zavn Collins, 2 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: what should our expectations be? What are his expectations? The 3 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: good news is the second year linebacker is putting in 4 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:20,079 Speaker 1: the work this offseason. First, though, just about every draft 5 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 1: pick is signed. It's Cardinals Cover two, Episode five sixty seven, 6 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 1: and it starts now. Welcome to Cardinals Cover two with 7 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:35,839 Speaker 1: Craig Griolu and Mike Jarecki. Cardinals Cover two is presented 8 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 1: by Hyundai, proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals and by 9 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:45,879 Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals Podcasts. Visit Easy Cardinals dot com, Slash podcasts. 10 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 1: Going for Hopkins one handed catch in a touchdown DeAndre Hopkins. 11 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 1: Here's Craig Griolou and Mike Jarecki. Can I tell you 12 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: how much I love the lack of drama when it 13 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: comes to draft picks signing in their first professional contracts. 14 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:06,320 Speaker 1: Gone are the days of waiting and wondering come training camp. 15 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:10,320 Speaker 1: Hey is X first round draft pick going to show up? MJ. 16 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 1: Those days are gone, and I, for one, I'm a big, 17 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 1: big fan of the fact that contracts are now slotted 18 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 1: when it comes to rookies. In other words, not a 19 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 1: single player should hold out. Now when you start talking 20 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 1: about the top ten in top twenty, and you know, 21 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 1: is he an edge rusher or they trying to pay 22 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: him as an outside linebacker or defensive end, And so 23 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: there's different escalators in there to where if he makes 24 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 1: a Pro Bowl, then all of a sudden, you know, 25 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 1: his salary goes up. But when you get to the 26 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 1: second to seventh round, it's pretty it's pretty basic. You know, 27 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: as you said, the right word is slotted. Craig. I 28 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: can't tell you how many times when I was doing 29 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 1: radio that the Cardinals have holdouts. And I remember every 30 00:01:57,280 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 1: time we would get him on the phone, we would 31 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: ask who you're as always important every drop draft night, 32 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 1: like who's your agent? And then you know Condon, you 33 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 1: know Lee Steinberg, Roosevelt barn Eugene Parker. So anyways, so 34 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 1: Lee Steinberg, it was maybe eight o'clock at night. They 35 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: finally came to idea with Leonard Davis and we go 36 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:22,920 Speaker 1: up there and and then there's been LJ. Shelton held out, 37 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 1: some Johnny McWilliams held out, and a lot of times 38 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:31,839 Speaker 1: their agents would say we're not going to work out 39 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: in the rookie minicamp because what if my player gets hurt, 40 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 1: So then they had to come up with the waiver. Now, 41 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:44,800 Speaker 1: the last bonus baby was Sam Bradford. He got fifty million, 42 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 1: and that was you're giving the number one overall pick 43 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: upwards of fifty million dollars with just a signature before 44 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 1: even stepping foots in the building or on the football field. 45 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: And then fast forward to the next guy. Cam Newton 46 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 1: got twenty five million. So I love it just makes 47 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 1: it so much easier because back in the day it 48 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: was like, well, you gotta wait until the guy behind 49 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: you and the guy before you, so you could make 50 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 1: sure you were making more than the guy who was 51 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: picked behind you, but maybe less than the guy that 52 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 1: was picked ahead of you. That as a great point 53 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: because that's that's what we're waiting for the next and 54 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 1: it usually comes down to position like this corner got 55 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 1: this and we were picked five selections above him. Yeah, 56 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 1: you're exactly right, but everything's slought it now again, if 57 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: anybody holds out, then they may probably need to get 58 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 1: a new job. Now why are we talking about this here? 59 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 1: On Cardinals Cover two presented by Hunday probably partner of 60 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals. Four more draft picks have signed tight 61 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 1: end Trey McBride, linebacker my J. Sanders, cornerback Christian Matthew, 62 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 1: and offensive lineman Marquis Hayes, all getting the standard four 63 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: year contracts, whether you're a first round pick, sixth round pick, 64 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: seventh round pick. So now you've got seven of eight 65 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: the Cardinals draft picks have put pen to paper. Still 66 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 1: need to sign third round pick Cameron Thomas, and it's 67 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 1: just a matter of time. Heck, by the time Bird 68 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 1: Gang you listen to this episode, maybe he has already 69 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 1: signed his contract, or it comes in the coming days 70 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 1: or next week when OTA's begin. Bottom line, it gets 71 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 1: done and you can just relax. I'm sure from the 72 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 1: team standpoint, but from the players standpoint as well. You 73 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 1: get that contract done the sooner it gets done, the 74 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:34,480 Speaker 1: sooner it's out of your head and you can concentrate 75 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 1: on x's and o's getting on the football field and 76 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:40,599 Speaker 1: proving you belong to be able to be active and 77 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:44,039 Speaker 1: on the field week one and right now. When it 78 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 1: comes to Cameron Thomas, he's dealing with a hamstring injury, 79 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: which the team was aware of. The main thing is 80 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 1: he's here, he's in meetings, he's been actually rehabbing on 81 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: the side and Craig he's a guy that can play 82 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: defensive linemen and outside linebackers. So now you get into that. 83 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 1: But it's gonna get done, and they're really excited about 84 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 1: him because of all the draft picks, you know, besides 85 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:11,720 Speaker 1: you know McBride and possibly some of the edge rushers. 86 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 1: He's a guy that's going to be active on game 87 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 1: d He's going to be part of that rotation, whether 88 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 1: he's playing with his hand the dirt or rushing the 89 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 1: passer or chasing down the quarterback. And it's odd that 90 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 1: you focus on a third round pick, but because of 91 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:28,039 Speaker 1: the absence of Chandler Jones and not having a first 92 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 1: round selection, and nothing against Trey McBride, but we do 93 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:36,239 Speaker 1: get to watch practice, whether it's OTA's mini camp, training camp. 94 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: I'm going to be focused a lot on those two picks. 95 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:46,239 Speaker 1: Two outside linebackers and Thomas and Sanders. Can they realistically 96 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:50,279 Speaker 1: make an impact and make an early impact those first 97 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 1: handful of games not have to wait until after Thanksgiving 98 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:56,840 Speaker 1: when rookies are no longer rookies, and that's kind of 99 00:05:56,839 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 1: when they get their feet underneath them and can really play. No. Sorry, 100 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:05,839 Speaker 1: because you don't have number fifty five, I eat Chandler Jones. 101 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: Someone needs to step up and fill that role. It 102 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:11,279 Speaker 1: can't just be Marcus Golden and a rotation. Now, that's 103 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 1: what it eventually becomes. But I would like to see 104 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: Cameron Thomas and or my j Sanders really take and 105 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:21,919 Speaker 1: elevate themselves and say, look, I can be that guy 106 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 1: opposite Golden. And I think that's the plan. I think 107 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: you're you're accurate. Jesse Locato, We'll see what his role is. 108 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 1: I think the offensive lineman. They're going to compete, you know, 109 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 1: at the at the guard spot, and we could see 110 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: some cross promotion or cross training when it comes to 111 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 1: Smith working at center. Obviously you want to have some 112 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 1: position flexibility, but you know, defensively, you still got to 113 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:54,280 Speaker 1: look at Richard Lawrence, J. J. Watt, Zach Allen and 114 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:56,840 Speaker 1: then you're throwing Michael dogbye, and then he throwing like 115 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 1: he foe too. And then you got to talk about Kingsley. Yeah, 116 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 1: Kingsley Kekey, you gotta throw him in now, he's got 117 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 1: a veteran guy. So and then you got now, if 118 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:10,239 Speaker 1: you're going to break it down. I think Cannard should 119 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 1: be more of a first and second down linebacker, so 120 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 1: they could start the season with Golden and Cannar. I 121 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: don't prefer to Canard to be on the field on 122 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: third down, so that's where you can start to bring 123 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 1: in possibly Dennis Gardeck, victor Dan mcachee. Um, I'm missing 124 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: somebody up depending on if you want Isaiah Simmons to 125 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 1: rush the passers. So I do think they're gonna have 126 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 1: some different packages on third down. But if you want 127 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 1: to set the edge, I think that's the strength of Kennard, 128 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 1: and then you can also try to have Marcus Golden 129 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 1: in advances is gonna scheme it up. He can have 130 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 1: a safety blitz um. You know, they can drop back 131 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: into coverage. So but I do think that the guys 132 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: that you mentioned will probably have the most besides McBride, 133 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 1: probably the most snaps in that first month at a season, 134 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: and we're talking possibly seventeen to twenty because J J. Watt, 135 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: you want to make sure he's fresh in the fourth 136 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 1: quarter in the season. Zach Allen's young enough to play, 137 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: Richard Lawrence just has to stay healthy. They're looking for 138 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: Lucky to take another step here, so you know, again 139 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 1: they gotta put the work in. But I do think 140 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 1: things are settling down. On the least, the defensive line 141 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 1: now repaid so much attention to who starts, but it's 142 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 1: more about snap counts and when those snap counts are occurring. 143 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 1: Davonka Nard really good against the run first and second down, 144 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 1: although maybe Vance Joseph changes things depending on where the 145 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 1: drive begins, and all of a sudden it is Marcus 146 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 1: Golden and Cameron Thomas or Isaiah Simmons rushing the quarterback 147 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:47,439 Speaker 1: or trying to get into the backfield. That cat and 148 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 1: mouse game between defensive coordinator and offensive coordinator is going 149 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: to be fascinating. And if you are Vance Joseph, you're 150 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 1: gonna have to mix it up to keep the offense 151 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 1: guessing and on their toes, and not just because you 152 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: don't have that prototypical outside edge rusher that you're gonna 153 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 1: have for all three downs, at least not yet, at 154 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 1: least I don't believe so. And then all of a 155 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:13,680 Speaker 1: sudden it becomes all right, we're just gonna try different 156 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 1: things and keep going to those things even if it 157 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:18,680 Speaker 1: doesn't work the first time. Craig I didn't even mention 158 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 1: two other guys, Nick Visual. I gotta think he could 159 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: be part of the three linebackers. I know he's listed 160 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 1: as an inside linebacker and the Cardinals signed Jesse Lemongne. 161 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 1: Those two guys. Now he's under sized, but I think 162 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 1: the feeling is he can rush the pass around third down. 163 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 1: I'll believe it when I see it. When it comes 164 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: to Lemonne, who they claimed off waivers, he had been 165 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 1: released by the lines. But six two two forty that 166 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 1: is the purest definition of under size when you talk 167 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: about outside linebacker, no doubt. And he you know, he 168 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 1: had a really successful career in college over twenty six 169 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 1: and two years. He only had one and a half there. 170 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 1: But again to say, I kind of say it every year, 171 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 1: they're flooding the position and they'll find out and you know, 172 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:08,680 Speaker 1: not all these guys are gonna make it, So I 173 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 1: gotta think vigual and we could see a package with 174 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 1: Thomas Garter, Ord mccagee. So and then you throw in 175 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: you know, Visual and the other linebackers. So it's interesting 176 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 1: how they're gonna But I do think they have different 177 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 1: packages for different guys just to keep them fresh. So 178 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 1: they can survive the season fifteen linebackers, seven outside linebackers, 179 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 1: eight inside linebackers, and based off my own personal depth chart, 180 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 1: Bird gang Up put Lemonnier as an inside linebacker Jase 181 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 1: based off of his size. Now we'll see how he 182 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 1: looks when they are on the football field. But Lemonnier 183 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:47,719 Speaker 1: seven games with the Lions last season, fifteen tackles, a 184 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 1: sack and a half, began the year actually on the 185 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: practice squad, twenty five years old. So the ages right 186 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 1: there from were undrafted free agent out of Liberty. So 187 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 1: that is the second waiver claim that this team has 188 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 1: made this offseas in the first. Ron del Carter has 189 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:04,959 Speaker 1: since been released. But that is what you want out 190 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 1: of your front office. That's what you want out of 191 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 1: your general manager to look and all right, players, what 192 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:14,079 Speaker 1: seventy five to eighty eighty to ninety that, all right, 193 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 1: Maybe we can get a little bit better at that spot, 194 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 1: whether it's a wide receiver or a cornerback or linebacker. 195 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 1: Certain positions there's a pecking order. And if you're number eight, 196 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 1: if I can find someone who's better than you, I'm 197 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 1: gonna sign you. Well, I gotta think when you look 198 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: at Lemonade. He's probably gonna be a special teams player 199 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:37,679 Speaker 1: if he's active on game day, because that's that's the 200 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 1: size you want down to go around and cover kicks 201 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:42,679 Speaker 1: and punts, and we know that if you're not starting, 202 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 1: they're going to have a core of special teams players. 203 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 1: So again, I just think they're flooding the position. And really, 204 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 1: you know, if I had to say, going into maybe 205 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 1: the OTAs next week, I anticipate Byron Murphy, Marco Wilson, 206 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:01,680 Speaker 1: and Jeff Gladly to line up as the top three receivers, 207 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 1: and then you have Buddha Bay cornerbacks cornerback sorry, and 208 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:08,080 Speaker 1: then Buddha Baker and Jalen Thompson. So but I do 209 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 1: think Gladly and be curious to see, because he play 210 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 1: inside or outside, is Murph inside, because it seems like 211 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 1: they want Murph inside. So you'd have Gladney, who obviously 212 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 1: he's a physical guy just based on the highlights I've 213 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 1: seen with small sample, he does have good leverage at 214 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage, and then Marco Wilson clearly is 215 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 1: going to have to be an outside guy. So I'm 216 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 1: interested to see how they line up, and they could 217 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 1: be interchangeable and then you know, you throw in possibly 218 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 1: you know, an Tonio Hamilton. Obviously they drafted a tall 219 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:46,439 Speaker 1: corner He's probably more of a project in Matthew. So yeah, 220 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 1: but I I think if if they had a line 221 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 1: up right now, that those would be the three top 222 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 1: cornerbacks on the roster. Now, in order to get Lemonna 223 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 1: on the roster, they had to open up roster spots 224 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:02,840 Speaker 1: and defensive lineman Laurent Stokes, one of the team's undrafted signees, 225 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 1: has been released, and you're talking about we spent I 226 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 1: don't know not I wouldn't say a lot of time, 227 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: but we did spend time looking at those twelve undrafted 228 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 1: rookie free agents here on Cardinals Cover two presented by 229 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 1: Hunday Probab, partner of the Arizona Cardinals, and we did 230 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:25,680 Speaker 1: focus on the defensive line, Laurn Stokes, Manny Jones, Will Miles. Well, 231 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 1: here we are at the end of May, ready to 232 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 1: start OTAs, and the only players still on the roster 233 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 1: and we're talking within days is Manny Jones out of 234 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: Colorado State former teammates Trey McBride six four two ninety. 235 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:45,560 Speaker 1: So he becomes what is now a nine man room 236 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:48,959 Speaker 1: at the defensive line position, and whether Jones is inside 237 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 1: or outside still left to be determined. But you talk 238 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: about how you get here doesn't matter even if you 239 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 1: are signed as an undrafted free agent. May we find 240 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 1: someone better as a trial player, which we'll get to 241 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 1: in a minute, or you claim someone so you might 242 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 1: not be here very long, or this could be the 243 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 1: starts of a beautiful friendship, if you will, and a 244 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 1: lasting career with the Arizona Cardinals. Yeah, the Cardinals cut 245 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 1: Miles quickly, I think just based on them bringing in 246 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 1: another defensive lineman. And then when you when you signed 247 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 1: six tryout guys, I know they like Stokes, but again 248 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 1: when you start talking about the eight guy and now 249 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 1: you trade them in for either a veteran linebackers twenty 250 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:42,119 Speaker 1: five or you quote and you get Kiki. From that standpoint, 251 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 1: so it's just a numbers game. But Manny Jones probably 252 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 1: had the best upside and that's the reason why you 253 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 1: still here and maybe perform the best during the three 254 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 1: day rookie minicamp. I mean that's the first look for 255 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 1: the Cardinals scouting the department and for an office to 256 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 1: see these players and if you don't have it. I mean, 257 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 1: there's a belief that among players, if you ask a 258 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 1: fellow player, they can tell right away whether you have 259 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 1: it or not, whether it's how you carry yourself, how 260 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 1: you participates in drills, or how you put forth the 261 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 1: work and the effort. So again, don't know anything, but 262 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 1: Manny Jones, who did play inside on the defensive line 263 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 1: the past two seasons against six four two ninety, who 264 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 1: does have some decent size, and who knows, maybe by 265 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: this time next week, none of these guys are here. 266 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 1: That's just the nature of the beast. I would agree. 267 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 1: But you know, I think that Cardinals, you know, clearly, 268 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 1: if there's a guy out there available or a ventan 269 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 1: guy they've been talking to, then but I think they 270 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 1: want to find out what they have obviously invested in 271 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 1: this draft class. They've invested, you know, with these tryout 272 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: guys to give them, I'm an opportunity and I'm intrigued 273 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 1: with some of those tryout guys. They could be more 274 00:15:56,480 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 1: practice squad guys, but hey, you know, you got to 275 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 1: find some diamonds in a rough so to speak, and 276 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 1: hopefully these guys can perform and you know, get a 277 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 1: roster spot, whether it's on the practice squad or not. Yeah, 278 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 1: I mean it's it's gonna be interesting. Just you know, 279 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 1: how how much does rookie class can contribute because I 280 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 1: think the guys you mentioned they're gonna be active. And 281 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 1: I do think Keyante Ingram Ingram, thank you. I think 282 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 1: he's gonna move with that depth chart, I really do. 283 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 1: But he's got to earn it first. All right, you 284 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 1: mentioned the trial players. Let's discuss that here before we 285 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 1: get to our main topic of Zavan Collins. Here on 286 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 1: Cardinals cover two presented by Hunday Proud Partner of the 287 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals, there were thirty three tryout players in this 288 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 1: past weekend. Six count them. Six we're signed. So props 289 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 1: to those six and we'll get into all six. But 290 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: that is a big step for those six because you 291 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 1: did not hear your name called during the three day draft. 292 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:04,640 Speaker 1: You didn't get that phone call to be added as 293 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 1: an undrafted free agent. You actually had to I don't know, 294 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:10,119 Speaker 1: maybe there's a story for some of these guys on 295 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:13,359 Speaker 1: how they actually got invited, but hey, let's see what 296 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 1: you got. It's a tryout, no guarantee, but six sign 297 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 1: including two wide receivers Christian Blake and Jared Smart Blake 298 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:26,359 Speaker 1: among a handful of trial players who actually had some experience. 299 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 1: He spent the past four seasons with the Falcons. The 300 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 1: first year he was on the practice squad, but forty 301 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 1: one games, including three starts, six one one eighty one. 302 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:39,200 Speaker 1: A tall wide receiver, which I like, but probably more 303 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:43,479 Speaker 1: of a special teams type player with respects to someone 304 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: with a little experience in the National Football League. Yeah, 305 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 1: I think the Cardinals were intrigued to bring in it. 306 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 1: I think they brought in four wide receivers and he 307 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 1: decided to sign two. And you know, you started looking 308 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 1: at the depth chart. You know, they like Greg Dorge. Obviously, 309 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 1: you have Antoine Wesley, you have Bicelli. Andy Isabelle is 310 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 1: still on the roster. But this guy's got some size 311 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 1: and he clearly stood out. And I'm glad you mentioned 312 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:14,159 Speaker 1: his size. He's twenty five years old. He's appeared in 313 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:17,200 Speaker 1: thirty two games in the past two seasons with the Falcons, 314 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:18,879 Speaker 1: and I think you hit it right and ahead, probably 315 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 1: more as a special teams player. Ran a four five 316 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 1: one forty at his pro day at Northern Illinois. But 317 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 1: you know, looking for another opportunity, a second chance, if 318 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:32,640 Speaker 1: you will. So, Christian Blake now in that wide receiver room, 319 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 1: as is Jared Smart five eleven, one eighty nine played 320 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 1: at Hawaii, And I actually have a bone to pick 321 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 1: with General manager Steve Kim and the entire Cardinals front 322 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:46,120 Speaker 1: office with respects to this signing. Tongue in Cheekbirg gang, 323 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:49,679 Speaker 1: It's okay, tongue in cheek. I'm not a fan of 324 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 1: Jared Smart. In fact, I'm not a fan specifically of 325 00:18:53,800 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 1: Jared Smart's father. I actually ran into Quentin Harris of 326 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 1: the Cardinals front office and actually questioned why he would 327 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 1: sign Jared Smart, son of Keith Smart, former NBA player 328 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 1: and coach more known and for me, unfortunately for hitting 329 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:18,119 Speaker 1: the game winning shot in the nineteen eighty seven NCUBA 330 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 1: Championship game against my alma mater Syracuse. So not a 331 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: fan specifically of Keith Smart. It's unfortunate that his son 332 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:32,199 Speaker 1: again to tongue in chick here Berka, It's okay, But 333 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 1: I'll say this, I wish Jared Smart a lot of luck, 334 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:38,479 Speaker 1: and if I do get a chance to introduce myself 335 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:41,360 Speaker 1: to him, I will do exactly what I did when 336 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 1: the Sons back in my previous life, MJ signed Tony Duck, 337 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 1: who knocked off Syracuse in the final four. And excuse me, 338 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 1: in the championship game my senior year, Kentucky over Syracuse. 339 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 1: Tony Dulk beat Syracuse. And when the Sons signed Tony Duck, 340 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 1: I went up, introduced myself and you know what, I'm 341 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 1: just I'm just not a fan, and he gave me 342 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:05,639 Speaker 1: this weird look. I was like, yeah, Syracuse class to 343 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 1: ninety six. He smiled, laughed, and we became fast friends. 344 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 1: So look, it's there's a passion when it comes to 345 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 1: your alma mater. And when I one found out that 346 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 1: Jared Smart was the son of Keith Smart, I was like, okay, 347 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 1: that's nice. And then they signed him. And of course 348 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 1: that notes is part of his bio, which was done 349 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:31,440 Speaker 1: deliberately because of me. You sure you sure you want 350 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 1: to pick these scamps? And it's all in good taste 351 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:36,399 Speaker 1: there on Cardinals cover, Quentin Harris signed off on it 352 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 1: or I had some input. Syracuse guy, you know what 353 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 1: his quote to me was, I just work here. All right, 354 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:47,400 Speaker 1: Let's talk about the player. He's played in thirty six 355 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 1: games in the past three seasons he was at Hawaii, 356 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 1: had a four one hundred forty nine receptions about eighteen 357 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:56,120 Speaker 1: hundred yards eight touchdowns. Prior to YI, twenty year old 358 00:20:56,880 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 1: Smart played two seasons at a small school in California. 359 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 1: Appeared in nineteen games. He looks fast. It looks like 360 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 1: a guy that can can run. You know, he just 361 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 1: watched a gauntlet dro a little bit where you got 362 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 1: to run and catch it. Look fine there, look fluid 363 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,680 Speaker 1: um And obviously maybe he's taking the genes from his father. 364 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 1: There you go. Hey, if he can be as clutch 365 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:27,120 Speaker 1: as father Keith Smart was, then Jared Smart can be 366 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 1: one of those guys that perhaps you can. It's it's 367 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:32,920 Speaker 1: a tough road for any of these players, whether you're drafted, undrafted, 368 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 1: free agent, or a try a guy. But you get 369 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:38,640 Speaker 1: yourself on a ninety man roster, you do everything in 370 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:42,439 Speaker 1: your power to maintain that spot, whether it's for Smart 371 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 1: a wide receiver more likely on special teams, but try 372 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:48,680 Speaker 1: to work your way up and then again doesn't work 373 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 1: out here or thirty one other teams out there, and 374 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 1: you know front offices talk well, I mean, it's going 375 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 1: to be curious to see, you know, with Rondel Moore 376 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 1: probably getting more reps replacing Christian and Kirk or is 377 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 1: that going to be Hollywood Brown. The Cardinals are looking 378 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:05,680 Speaker 1: for a punt returner, and then you know, we'll see 379 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 1: about the kick returner. Maybe if ENO's not playing on teams, 380 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 1: he's going to be inactive, and maybe you can go 381 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 1: with Keyante Ingram because he's going to play on teams 382 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:18,879 Speaker 1: and if he gets that ball in his hand, he's 383 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 1: got a chance. And then there's this young man, Ronnie Rivers. 384 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 1: His father played for the Lions. He looks like Dave 385 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 1: Meggatt out there. He is small, but boy is he 386 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 1: quick and he was catching a ball in the sun. 387 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 1: I was very impressed with him. So again, the Cardinals 388 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:37,879 Speaker 1: aren't they want to add more depth to that wide 389 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,879 Speaker 1: receiver position. And you take flyers on these guys, and 390 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 1: we know during the season, you know, injury suspensions, and 391 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 1: maybe it's more stash him, let him develop, and then 392 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you don't have to go out 393 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 1: and spend big money on a wide receiver if Hopkins 394 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:56,680 Speaker 1: is not on the roster in the next couple of years. 395 00:22:56,760 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 1: So with Blake and Smart, twelve receivers on the rooster, 396 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 1: there are four other players signed to get something else. Yeah, 397 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 1: I mean Blake, to me, he looked fast. Now I 398 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,119 Speaker 1: guess he ran a four to five one, but he 399 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 1: can really run a four four five. He looked quick, 400 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:15,959 Speaker 1: and he was catching everything. I mean, we're gonna get 401 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 1: into the quarterback, but he was catching everything. And I 402 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 1: saw the scout talk to him. So that always tells 403 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 1: me that, hey, at the end of the weekend, we 404 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 1: want to keep you here and so, and he's gonna 405 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 1: get go good coaching from Sean Jefferson, so I would 406 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 1: He's the first guy that stood out to me when 407 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 1: I watched him run routes. And of course, obviously when 408 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 1: we get that list who's invited during the three day 409 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 1: rookie mini camp, it's all right trial players, and all 410 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,400 Speaker 1: of a sudden, there are's, you know, a couple that 411 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:46,199 Speaker 1: actually do have experience, not a lot of experience, but 412 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,679 Speaker 1: do have experience. And you're like, okay, so there's a 413 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,920 Speaker 1: reason you're here looking for a second opportunity. But you've 414 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 1: been in this league. And for Blake, he's been in 415 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 1: the league for four seasons. That first year was on 416 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 1: the practice squad, but he does have NFL experience. Yeah, 417 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:04,480 Speaker 1: and he looks the part. He was wearing number thirty 418 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 1: three Craig, I mean six one, you know, one hundred 419 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,440 Speaker 1: and eighty one pounds. They listen to him, but he 420 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 1: was the first guy that you know, I was like, 421 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,239 Speaker 1: who's that? And when we get to the quarterback, I'm like, 422 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,640 Speaker 1: who's that? Because when you have two quarterbacks that are 423 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 1: on tryouts, you could see one of has has a 424 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,119 Speaker 1: strong arm and the other one you could see is 425 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 1: his throwing darts. And so I was thoroughly impressed. And again, 426 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,639 Speaker 1: could be a four string guy? Could he push Trace McSorley. 427 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 1: I'm over a practice squad guy, but he also has 428 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 1: a similar skill set and we'll get into his name 429 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,879 Speaker 1: with as Kyler Murray. Well, this team, I think was 430 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 1: always looking to add a fourth quarterback because with ninety 431 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:46,199 Speaker 1: players to practice fields, you need you need bodies to 432 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 1: throw the football. You can't just rely on Mike Bercovici 433 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 1: all the time. So he do have a new uh 434 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,680 Speaker 1: he's on he's part of the Bill Bidwell Fellowship program. Yes, 435 00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,119 Speaker 1: and he's a former quarterback Connor Sneneger. I believe he 436 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 1: he can sling it too. So the quarterback that they 437 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:08,679 Speaker 1: signed out of Washington State sixty three two nineteen Jared Garantano, 438 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 1: who actually last season only played in two games because 439 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:15,479 Speaker 1: of a knee injury, but transferred from Tennessee, where he 440 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 1: was four years previously before trying to make some noise 441 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 1: at Washington State. Didn't happen, but obviously showed up this 442 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,119 Speaker 1: past weekend and at six three two nineteen, I think 443 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:29,479 Speaker 1: believe they checked my notes here. I think he might 444 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,640 Speaker 1: be the tallest quarterback in that room. Oh, I'm sure 445 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 1: he is now if you look at it. And I'm 446 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:39,439 Speaker 1: glad you mentioned only two games at Washington State, but 447 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:41,640 Speaker 1: as a member of the Vols twenty four years old, 448 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 1: he appeared in forty one games, thirty two starts. He 449 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 1: threw for about six thousand years thirty eight touchdowns while 450 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 1: running for five. He had thirteen multi ted games and 451 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:54,920 Speaker 1: through for three hundred times in his career. He's got 452 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 1: a strong arm out some matter, just learning the offense, 453 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 1: you're you're gonna We're gonna get a chance to see 454 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 1: him in the preseason. I can guarantee that. And maybe 455 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 1: there's competition for that third spot. Trace McSorley does have 456 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 1: experience but if I just put the two next to 457 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 1: each other, I think this young man has more upside. 458 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,399 Speaker 1: And again I think when the Cardinals face some of 459 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,160 Speaker 1: these teams with mobile quarterbacks, he can run the scout team. 460 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,919 Speaker 1: He usually it's called McCoy, but sometimes you like, if 461 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 1: you're playing a mobile quarterback, he can emulate that in practice. Yeah, 462 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 1: it's a scout team quarterback Trace McSorley six feet two 463 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 1: o two McCoy six one two twelve. So yeah, Garantano 464 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 1: certainly the biggest quarterback on the roster with a big arm, 465 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,440 Speaker 1: so he becomes that fourth quarterback. When you look at 466 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 1: the depth chart. Three other players added running back TJ. 467 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 1: Pledger who played last season at Utah, offensive lineman Greg Long, 468 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:56,360 Speaker 1: and safety Tay Daily. So those are the six trial players. Pledger, 469 00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:01,159 Speaker 1: by the way, before playing at Utah last season at Oklahoma, 470 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:05,239 Speaker 1: teammates with Kyler Murray and Hollywood Brown. Yeah. I mean, 471 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 1: this guy was productive when he went to Utah. He 472 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 1: posted career highs and rushing attempts, rushing yards. He was 473 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 1: averaging six point seven yards at per carry. Wow. He 474 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:20,880 Speaker 1: had ten rushing touchdowns, ten ten receptions. Yeah, I mean 475 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:24,359 Speaker 1: he he helped Utah when their first ever Pack twelve 476 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:28,200 Speaker 1: championship game in the Rose Bowl. Long out of Purdue 477 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 1: Honorable mention All Big Ten selection, a tackle out of Purdue. 478 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 1: Not exactly sure where he'll fit with this offensive line room, 479 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 1: where they'll start him, but six three three oh four, Yeah, 480 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 1: he's twenty four years old. He appeared in nineteen games 481 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 1: at tackle while playing at UTEP but he also played 482 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,720 Speaker 1: at Purdue. He helped the boiler Makers averaged three hundred 483 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 1: and ninety yards per game when it came to running 484 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 1: the football. So I was totally liked him. I liked 485 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,639 Speaker 1: the size, the fact that he you know, in the 486 00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 1: past two seasons he was at Purdue, which you know 487 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 1: when you look at the Big Ten, we talk about 488 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:05,959 Speaker 1: Ohio State, Michigan, Iowa. Purdue is starting to put players 489 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:07,880 Speaker 1: in the NFL, and I think the last one would 490 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:11,639 Speaker 1: be a guy like Rondel Moore some information on Daily 491 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 1: five eleven two O one, a little smaller of a 492 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:18,639 Speaker 1: safety but started thirteen games at Virginia Tech last season. 493 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 1: And now that safety room with seven players obviously Buddha Baker, 494 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 1: Jalen Thompson, you know about them, but also be honest, 495 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 1: I mean Outside of that, when you look at the 496 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:32,399 Speaker 1: safety position, Deontay Thompson, his inability to stay healthy. Charles 497 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,880 Speaker 1: Washington's more of a special teams player. James Wiggins. Don't 498 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 1: really know much about him last season, much of it 499 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 1: on injured reserve. You got Javon Hagen and now Tay Daily, 500 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 1: so who knows. As we heard Cliff Kingsbury say on Friday, 501 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 1: going into the weekend of rookie minicamp, you're looking to 502 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 1: find a diamond in the rough, if you will, and 503 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 1: maybe one of these six players, including Daily, could be 504 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 1: that diamond in the rough. Yeah. I like his size, 505 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 1: five eleven two oh one. He played in thirteen games 506 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 1: ten Stars last year with Virginia Tech. He collected seventy 507 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:08,720 Speaker 1: three tackles, a couple of tackle for losses. Yeah, I 508 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 1: mean it to me. When you look at Wiggins, I 509 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 1: think he's more of a special teams player. But if 510 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 1: he's going to be active on game day, he would 511 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 1: be a backup. I think they trust Charles Washington. And again, 512 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 1: a lot of these guys could slide to the practice squad, 513 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 1: and obviously you've got a clear waivers, but I would 514 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 1: think that you know, when after the Cardinals gets that 515 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 1: are cut down that following day, you'll start to see 516 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 1: some of these faces. And I still think it's going 517 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 1: to be fourteen to sixteen member practice squad obviously that 518 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 1: was wound during the pandemic, and it's really you know, 519 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:42,520 Speaker 1: I think you can add three or four guys that 520 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 1: really have played in the league for a while. So yeah, 521 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 1: we'll say, I just want to see these guys get 522 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 1: a chance to play in camp and then obviously the preseason, 523 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 1: so then you can kind of evaluate them and it's 524 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 1: gonna be really beneficial when they go play the I 525 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 1: have the joint practice with the tight where these guys 526 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,720 Speaker 1: are now going to face a different opponent and you 527 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 1: can see if they made strides from now until the preseason. 528 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 1: So some of the new faces, if you will, on 529 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:14,040 Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals ninety man roster, and if you want 530 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,040 Speaker 1: to get an in depth look at what happened over 531 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,480 Speaker 1: draft weekend if you haven't already caught it, Cardinals Flight 532 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 1: Plan Episode three, titled Cardinal Grade, is available on the 533 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 1: team's official YouTube page go to YouTube dot com slash 534 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 1: a Z Cardinals, focusing on all three days of the draft. Obviously, 535 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 1: highlighted by the trade for Marquis Brown, and then all 536 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 1: the phone calls and reactions from the draft picks, inside 537 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,959 Speaker 1: the draft room, by the draft prospects, as well as 538 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,240 Speaker 1: there are conversations with the media, and then obviously getting 539 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 1: here to the facility for the first time. That's all 540 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 1: on episode three of Cardinals Flight Plan. It is Cardinals 541 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,960 Speaker 1: Cover two, presented by Hunday Proud, partner of the Arizona Cardinals. 542 00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 1: Let's get into what we think might be a topic 543 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 1: that gets discussed a lot on the defensive side, and 544 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 1: it's really no fault of his own except for where 545 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,480 Speaker 1: he was drafted in what was said on draft night, 546 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 1: and that is Zaven Collins. He spoke with Darren Urban 547 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,720 Speaker 1: on May ninth, or a story was posted on asy 548 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 1: cardinals dot com earlier this month. Haven't had a chance 549 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 1: to really react to it, but Davin Collins did not 550 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 1: see him a lot last season on defense, and when 551 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 1: we did, especially late in the season, it was mostly 552 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 1: as an outside linebacker, so he had an up and 553 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,880 Speaker 1: down rookie season. And this is after general manager Steve 554 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 1: Come on Flight Plan last season, looked in the camera 555 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 1: on draft night and said Day one starter while he 556 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 1: did start five of the first seven games, but only 557 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,960 Speaker 1: once after that. On his rookie season, Collins quote, there 558 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:49,960 Speaker 1: were a lot of ups and downs trying to understand 559 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 1: how everything works and stay level headed. It was hard, 560 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:57,440 Speaker 1: but it was something you pushed through. Quote. You understand 561 00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,120 Speaker 1: where you were at. Now you have to understand and 562 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 1: where you're going. And I think Collins understands that. Not 563 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,920 Speaker 1: that he was humbled last season, but perhaps given too 564 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 1: much or expected too much the team did out of 565 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 1: him and he just wasn't quite ready. But he did 566 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,720 Speaker 1: get some time on the football field, whether it was 567 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 1: on defense and a lot more on special teams. Yeah, 568 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,640 Speaker 1: I just think you know, we saw the development from 569 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,880 Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons to one first year to the second year, 570 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 1: and obviously, you know, he struggled in the second half 571 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:29,480 Speaker 1: of the season. I mean, they were taking him off 572 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 1: the field and you don't want to do that a 573 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 1: guy with that much skill set. You know, he obviously 574 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:38,480 Speaker 1: got beat up by Jordan Hicks, and again, you know, 575 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 1: obviously Steve made that comment. But at the end of 576 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,120 Speaker 1: the day, his job as to get the players for 577 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,600 Speaker 1: the coaches. The coaches should decide who's starting, and I 578 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:50,840 Speaker 1: think that's eventually how it worked out. Everyone clearly looks 579 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 1: back at it and and say, you know, let him earn it. 580 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:56,840 Speaker 1: I get it, and they're right now. To me, he 581 00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:00,600 Speaker 1: was swimming last year, not no disrespect. Playing at Tulsa. 582 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 1: It's a little bit different. And you know he's got 583 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,760 Speaker 1: he's got the athleticism. I don't know how physical he is, 584 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 1: but I know this, he's he's a three down linebacker. 585 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,440 Speaker 1: He can go from a sideline to sideline. He's a 586 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,120 Speaker 1: good open field tackler. Um, he's gonna have to learn 587 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 1: how to shed blocks. Um, but this is a big 588 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 1: this is a big year for him. I mean we 589 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,360 Speaker 1: talked about, you know, two trees in the middle. Um, 590 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 1: they moved on from Jordan Hicks. He handled it with class. 591 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,479 Speaker 1: You know that. You look at Luke Keikley and Thomas Davis, 592 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 1: you look at Lavonte David and um, you know, um, 593 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,880 Speaker 1: Devin White and Tampa. You could go back to New 594 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 1: England and r Old Bowman, Patrick Willis. That's what they're 595 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:46,000 Speaker 1: hoping for. Um, it's gonna take time, but I think 596 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 1: based on him going through what he did and he 597 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,000 Speaker 1: knows and they told him, hey, listen, we're gonna take 598 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 1: it one day at a time. Here. Um, now that 599 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:58,960 Speaker 1: now it becomes Craig who's wearing the green sticker? Is 600 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,040 Speaker 1: that going to be him? I don't know about Isaiah? 601 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 1: I mean, is it gonna be Nick Vigil? I don't know, 602 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,240 Speaker 1: but whoever's because you've got to be on the field 603 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,040 Speaker 1: and you gotta make you gotta make sure guys are 604 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:13,600 Speaker 1: lined up. But I do think just having an entire offseason, 605 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,600 Speaker 1: you know, obviously he's got the coaches in his corner. 606 00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:19,799 Speaker 1: Now it's just going out there and just playing like 607 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,080 Speaker 1: don't it's easier for me to say because you don't 608 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:23,879 Speaker 1: want to make a mistake and you got to look 609 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,440 Speaker 1: over and they're going to replace me with somebody because 610 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,960 Speaker 1: they're trying to win games. Why they're developed me? Just 611 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:32,200 Speaker 1: play free like he's got. He's got the physical attributes. 612 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:33,600 Speaker 1: He would have been a first round pick if the 613 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,000 Speaker 1: Cardinals took him or not true, And that's what you 614 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,480 Speaker 1: have to understand that if it wasn't the Cardinals at sixteen, 615 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,680 Speaker 1: it would have been someone at seventeen, eighteen, nineteen. He 616 00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:46,279 Speaker 1: would not have lasted into the twenties. Based off what 617 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,359 Speaker 1: we've been reading and hearing as far as what other 618 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,359 Speaker 1: teams we're looking at, because it's hard regardless of where 619 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:55,120 Speaker 1: he played six four two sixty, the ability to go 620 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,600 Speaker 1: sideline to sideline, back pedal and then rush, which we 621 00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 1: did see a little bit late last season. As far 622 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:05,040 Speaker 1: as trying to get into the backfield. Everything that you 623 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:10,280 Speaker 1: picture a inside linebacker to be is Zaven Collins. Now, 624 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:16,400 Speaker 1: it's okay. What separated him from a Jordan Hicks. It's experience, instincts, 625 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,640 Speaker 1: watching film, knowing how to be a professional, as far 626 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:24,560 Speaker 1: as anticipating sometimes what happens as opposed to reacting, because 627 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,799 Speaker 1: if you're reacting now all of a sudden, it's you're 628 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:31,600 Speaker 1: a step behind, half step behind. You have to after 629 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:35,200 Speaker 1: watching film and understanding this game, your opponent, where to be, 630 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:39,359 Speaker 1: where you're best needed at a certain spot. So and 631 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,520 Speaker 1: this is why we talk about a huge offseason for 632 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:46,800 Speaker 1: Zaven Collins, because now you have that opportunity to really 633 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,160 Speaker 1: kind of dial it back. You're not going one hundred 634 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,280 Speaker 1: miles an hour. You can take the time to work 635 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,520 Speaker 1: on things. And that's what Collins mentioned to Darren Rmott 636 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,319 Speaker 1: again story up on Easy Cardinals dot Com. Quote, We're 637 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,680 Speaker 1: not in a hurry right now, but not laid back either. 638 00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,440 Speaker 1: Coach Vans Joseph says, it's time to work on things 639 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,360 Speaker 1: and have fun with things because you're not crunched for time. 640 00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,320 Speaker 1: You're here to learn and have fun doing it. Anything 641 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,319 Speaker 1: that presents a problem to us, we just speak up 642 00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,040 Speaker 1: about it, and we have all the time in the 643 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,160 Speaker 1: world to get it figured out. We have two days 644 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:19,200 Speaker 1: to figure out something, as opposed to twenty minutes in 645 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:23,880 Speaker 1: the season. So it's I don't really have a great comparison, 646 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:27,000 Speaker 1: but they're taking a very methodical approach when it comes 647 00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:31,480 Speaker 1: to getting Zavian Collins up to speed. Here's what works, 648 00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,120 Speaker 1: Here's what doesn't work. Here's where we need you to 649 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,839 Speaker 1: be good at. Here's where you are good at. How 650 00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:38,759 Speaker 1: do we take you to that next step? And when 651 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,640 Speaker 1: you have OTAs, when you're in phase two with the 652 00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,879 Speaker 1: ability to work with coaches and then your teammates, now 653 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,840 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you don't feel like you're rushed 654 00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:52,880 Speaker 1: because in season, yeah, there's adjustments made, but a Jordan Hicks, 655 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:56,840 Speaker 1: who has several years of experience can make those adjustments 656 00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,600 Speaker 1: a lot quicker than someone who's coming brand new from 657 00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,680 Speaker 1: the college game. Yeah, The good news is he's been 658 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:07,000 Speaker 1: here over a year. He knows the system and it's 659 00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,960 Speaker 1: not like you're actually him to change positions, because that 660 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,719 Speaker 1: would be that would be more of a you know, 661 00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:16,480 Speaker 1: a growth thing. So I like the fact that he 662 00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,680 Speaker 1: knows the scheme. Now he's just he's just kind of 663 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:21,640 Speaker 1: and it's easy for me to say, like I said, 664 00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:25,200 Speaker 1: they don't want to make a mistake. But if he 665 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,200 Speaker 1: can just get more confident and he's comfortable getting guys 666 00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:31,600 Speaker 1: lined up, just play football. That's what he does. He's 667 00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:35,279 Speaker 1: very athletic. I mean, he he's and one thing he 668 00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:39,320 Speaker 1: also has to do is when he gets it engaged 669 00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,919 Speaker 1: with the tackle or he's got to shut a block, 670 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,000 Speaker 1: I want to see his arms come out and extend 671 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:50,160 Speaker 1: it versus a guy getting into his chest and all 672 00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,480 Speaker 1: of a sudden, it's hard to shed that block. So 673 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,600 Speaker 1: I and I'm sure coaches see that on film, but 674 00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:57,759 Speaker 1: I want to see him use his arms more to 675 00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,400 Speaker 1: extend him and be able to take the guy's shoulder 676 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:02,439 Speaker 1: and just throw him to the gown. Shut a block 677 00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:04,680 Speaker 1: where if the guy gets inside him, now it's like 678 00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,560 Speaker 1: a little wrestling match, and usually that guy's gonna be 679 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,480 Speaker 1: a little bit bigger and he's coming at you and 680 00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,319 Speaker 1: you're going backwards, probably not gonna win that matchup. And 681 00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,839 Speaker 1: that's where you work on that right now here in 682 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,960 Speaker 1: May June, and hopefully he'll do a little bit on 683 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,360 Speaker 1: his own in July before training camp. But I wouldn't 684 00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,680 Speaker 1: say it's a fresh start for Zaven Collins, but it 685 00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:30,720 Speaker 1: is a new, a different start, if you will, because 686 00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,280 Speaker 1: he doesn't have Jordan Hicks not looking over his shoulder. 687 00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,680 Speaker 1: There was no issues between the two. But if Jordan 688 00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:40,520 Speaker 1: Hicks is on this roster, Jordan Hicks is playing just 689 00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:45,160 Speaker 1: because he knows this defense. Not that he's more skillful 690 00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,600 Speaker 1: than Zaven Collins, but you have a trust in Jordan 691 00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:52,920 Speaker 1: Hicks to get the job done. That trust from our 692 00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:57,200 Speaker 1: David Collins has to earn that trust of the coaching staff, 693 00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,160 Speaker 1: and I think he has it. I mean, he he 694 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,279 Speaker 1: practiced his heart. It's just you know, sometimes it's he's 695 00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,920 Speaker 1: thinking and there's mental yrs and you know everything's on film. 696 00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:10,520 Speaker 1: They film everything so they can go back and but 697 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,080 Speaker 1: like I said, I don't know if it's hitting the 698 00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:17,640 Speaker 1: reboot button or reset button, but they're counting on him 699 00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:19,080 Speaker 1: and he's going to be a big part of this 700 00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,560 Speaker 1: defense if they want to be successful. And make no 701 00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,239 Speaker 1: mistake about a bird gang. Both general managers Steve come 702 00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:28,520 Speaker 1: head coach Cliff Kingsbury at the annual league meeting. At 703 00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:32,560 Speaker 1: the scouting combine both asked about Zavin Collins and Isaiah Simmons. 704 00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:37,560 Speaker 1: Neither one has lost confidence in either despite and I'll 705 00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:40,919 Speaker 1: say certainly Isaiah Simmons, I think has taking that next 706 00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,640 Speaker 1: step last season in his second year. Now you're hoping 707 00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:48,040 Speaker 1: that it repeats. History repeats here with Davin Collins, he 708 00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,759 Speaker 1: takes that next step and then by the time year three, 709 00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,760 Speaker 1: year four rolls around, then we do have those two 710 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:57,680 Speaker 1: beautiful trees that we were told on draft night. When 711 00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:00,160 Speaker 1: you have a pair of six four inside linebackers, that 712 00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,360 Speaker 1: just makes things a lot easier for the rest of 713 00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,960 Speaker 1: the defense. Well, I mean that's a good comparison. I mean, 714 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,799 Speaker 1: because it takes time for trees to grow. Now, they're 715 00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:10,800 Speaker 1: not going to get any taller, but they're going to 716 00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:14,439 Speaker 1: get more knowledge and more experience. And that is where 717 00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,279 Speaker 1: your attributes in your skill set will make you a 718 00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:20,719 Speaker 1: better football player. And it will also help those two 719 00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:24,600 Speaker 1: if they don't have to do as much, meaning there's 720 00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:28,760 Speaker 1: action in front of them. The defensive line is doing 721 00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:32,000 Speaker 1: what they're supposed to do, and lot letting guys break 722 00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:34,759 Speaker 1: free to where all of a sudden, Zavan Collins or 723 00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:38,200 Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons has to do more work. Well, we saw 724 00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:42,480 Speaker 1: it in Simmons's first year against San Francisco the one 725 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:44,319 Speaker 1: maybe it was the first play of the game. He's 726 00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,040 Speaker 1: on the field and Kyle Shanahan went at him. I 727 00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:50,120 Speaker 1: gotta think, if you're Andy Reid and they're gonna get 728 00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,839 Speaker 1: tested in the first they're gonna get tested all year. Yes, 729 00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:56,960 Speaker 1: but you look at those first three games. Josh McDaniels, Cliff, 730 00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:01,319 Speaker 1: it was very accommodying about just him being a player caller. Um, 731 00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:03,800 Speaker 1: they added to Vante Adams, they had a Chandler Jones. 732 00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,440 Speaker 1: I mean, and then you throw in the chiefs, Um, 733 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,560 Speaker 1: the Andy Reid's going to test our inside linebackers and 734 00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,040 Speaker 1: then we know the rams. They feel like that's a 735 00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:17,400 Speaker 1: matchup they can exploit. But it all starts with the front. 736 00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:19,359 Speaker 1: With the front three or four, I mean, if they 737 00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,640 Speaker 1: can somehow stop the run and allow these linebackers to 738 00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,279 Speaker 1: shoot the gaps it sounds like a cliche, and make 739 00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,520 Speaker 1: the tackle at the line of scrimmage if not a 740 00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:31,800 Speaker 1: one yard game, don't be chasing the ball carrier. Well, 741 00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,840 Speaker 1: I mean, in fairness to Jordan Hicks, I mean he 742 00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,120 Speaker 1: had a ton of tackles. He played a ton and 743 00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:41,080 Speaker 1: it wasn't his on his um watch, but he was 744 00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,000 Speaker 1: making tackles five or six yards down the line of 745 00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:46,480 Speaker 1: scrimmage because other guys weren't doing there. They were getting 746 00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,200 Speaker 1: beat at the point of attack. And that's got to change. 747 00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:52,120 Speaker 1: But these guys are gonna get tested, and they're young 748 00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:55,880 Speaker 1: and athletic, and you know, you can have sub packages 749 00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,240 Speaker 1: to bring in some of your pass rushers or guys 750 00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,280 Speaker 1: that you want to match up. But I gotta assume 751 00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:03,560 Speaker 1: these guys are gonna play a lot, maybe not every snap, 752 00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:07,200 Speaker 1: and maybe there will be packages for Nick Vitgill because 753 00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:09,400 Speaker 1: he has experience, he can do a little bit of both. 754 00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:12,200 Speaker 1: But I think that's gonna be the three man rotation 755 00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,360 Speaker 1: in there. When you look at the inside linebackers and 756 00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:20,680 Speaker 1: then you still have is Zeke Turner, Tanner Vallejo and 757 00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,480 Speaker 1: Joe Walker. Joe Walker and those guys are more special 758 00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,280 Speaker 1: teams backups. Would you be okay? We always talk about 759 00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:31,120 Speaker 1: when it comes to preseason games and the Cardinals this 760 00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:34,719 Speaker 1: preseason at the Bengals home to the Ravens, at the Titans, 761 00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:38,520 Speaker 1: and that's also joint practices with the Tennessee Titans. But 762 00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:44,960 Speaker 1: preseason and I've completely changed as far as obviously preseason 763 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,240 Speaker 1: doesn't matter when it comes to Kyle the Murray, DeAndre 764 00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:50,280 Speaker 1: Hopkins in a handful of players out there, but Zavin 765 00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:54,279 Speaker 1: Collins who did flash in the preseason last season. Kyle 766 00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,399 Speaker 1: van in Bosch earlier this week on the Red Sea 767 00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,840 Speaker 1: Report brought that up. We did see that athleticism. We 768 00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,040 Speaker 1: did see him in the right spot a handful of 769 00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:06,799 Speaker 1: times and make plays in the preseason. This preseason when 770 00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:11,439 Speaker 1: Zaven Collins is expected to be that inside linebacker, maybe 771 00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:15,480 Speaker 1: he's calling the defense, maybe it's Nick Vigil, but we 772 00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,479 Speaker 1: need to see Zaven Collins gets rep get reps, whether 773 00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,240 Speaker 1: that's practice reps or game reps, but more game reps 774 00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,040 Speaker 1: because in order to get better, you need to play. 775 00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:28,879 Speaker 1: So now the conundrum is how much do you play 776 00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,600 Speaker 1: as Zaven Collins in the preseason when you need him 777 00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:33,520 Speaker 1: in the regular season. But in order for him to 778 00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:36,560 Speaker 1: be ready in the regular season, he needs those reps 779 00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,799 Speaker 1: to get ready. Well, I mean, there's certain guys that 780 00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,800 Speaker 1: I'm not going to play in the preseason, but he 781 00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,640 Speaker 1: needs reps. Maybe you play him in the first half, 782 00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:47,400 Speaker 1: the first couple and then you got to find out 783 00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,960 Speaker 1: what you have with these young linebackers pass rushers. Yeah, 784 00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,879 Speaker 1: but I definitely think he should play now Isaiah, he's 785 00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,840 Speaker 1: a little bit more advanced, but it's a way to 786 00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:58,440 Speaker 1: get you know, the other guys on the field. But 787 00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:01,600 Speaker 1: I do think you know, couple quarters. Um, you know, 788 00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:03,759 Speaker 1: if a team goes on a three and out, maybe 789 00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,320 Speaker 1: give them three possessions. But I do think it's imperative 790 00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,000 Speaker 1: Guys like Buddha Baker, I don't need to see him 791 00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:10,680 Speaker 1: out there. You know, Kyler Murray, I don't need to 792 00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:12,600 Speaker 1: see J. J. Watt. I don't need to see him 793 00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,279 Speaker 1: out there. Um. You know, I think Zach Allen and 794 00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:18,359 Speaker 1: these other young guys, Chard Lawrence and Lucky they gotta 795 00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,319 Speaker 1: they gotta be they gotta play in the preseason. And 796 00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:22,759 Speaker 1: then the question is, all right, if they are are 797 00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,719 Speaker 1: playing in the preseason, who are they playing against. Yes, 798 00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:29,920 Speaker 1: the Bengals, Joe Burrow, Yes, the Ravens. Lamar Jackson's sure great, 799 00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,839 Speaker 1: but as Joe Burrow playing, is Lamar Jackson playing No. 800 00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,560 Speaker 1: But it's just it's just but you're going against a 801 00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:39,480 Speaker 1: different opponent. I mean they're not game planning, but it's 802 00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:42,200 Speaker 1: more about we're gonna line up and I want you 803 00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:44,719 Speaker 1: guys to win your one on one matchups because you know, 804 00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:47,080 Speaker 1: Cliff's not gonna show anything in the preseason. And then 805 00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:51,360 Speaker 1: with the only thing is you just you can't afford 806 00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,239 Speaker 1: any injuries, and they happen. I mean it's unfortunate, but 807 00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:56,799 Speaker 1: that's you know, we could put guys in Bubba, but 808 00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,560 Speaker 1: when the season starts, I mean, this is a physical sport. 809 00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,200 Speaker 1: But I do think when you look at probably the 810 00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:05,200 Speaker 1: top twenty players on this roster, you know, then you 811 00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:07,640 Speaker 1: look from twenty one to fifty three, like those are 812 00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:09,840 Speaker 1: the guys that have to develop if this team is 813 00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:11,520 Speaker 1: going to make a run. And it's a good point 814 00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:14,799 Speaker 1: because in training camp it's the same color jersey and 815 00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:18,319 Speaker 1: you get used to what the offense is doing to 816 00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,840 Speaker 1: where if there is a play in the backfield or interception, 817 00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,600 Speaker 1: it looks great for the defense, but has that route 818 00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:28,040 Speaker 1: been run? Has that run play been called like fifteen times? 819 00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:29,839 Speaker 1: And you're just like, oh, this is what they're doing 820 00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,960 Speaker 1: as opposed to now it's a different team. Maybe not 821 00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:36,959 Speaker 1: the quote unquote Pro Bowlers, all pros, but all right, 822 00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:40,960 Speaker 1: this is what Cincinnati is doing. Now, go stop it, 823 00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:44,319 Speaker 1: Daven Collins. Regardless of who it is, if it's not 824 00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:47,960 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, if it's not their revamped offensive line, you 825 00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:50,960 Speaker 1: still have to be able to make plays in the preseason. 826 00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:53,239 Speaker 1: So I would like to see Zaven Collins play. Maybe 827 00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:57,719 Speaker 1: a little bit more than I would like because you're 828 00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:02,080 Speaker 1: a starter, but just because humly played twenty percent of 829 00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:05,480 Speaker 1: the defensive snaps last season. By comparison, Hicks was at 830 00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:08,879 Speaker 1: ninety seven and Simmons ninety two. Yeah, he needs to play, Craig, 831 00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,520 Speaker 1: and he'll get plenty of reps in training camp. I 832 00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:14,919 Speaker 1: mean he'll be He'll be on the first eleven. He'll 833 00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:19,360 Speaker 1: get reps and that becomes like monotonous, but it's it's important. 834 00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:22,319 Speaker 1: He'll get reps with the ones here and the OTAs 835 00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:25,719 Speaker 1: and the mandatory mini camp. But I do think he 836 00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,280 Speaker 1: has to play in the preseason, and so does Isaiah 837 00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:30,960 Speaker 1: to a certain extent. If he's you know, these guys 838 00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,919 Speaker 1: got a hone on their skill set, you have an expectation. 839 00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,480 Speaker 1: There is an expectation when you are a first round 840 00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:39,640 Speaker 1: draft pick. And I'll give Zamon Collins credit, he knows that. 841 00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:42,799 Speaker 1: He told Darren quote, you try not to look at it. 842 00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,400 Speaker 1: Any athlete in the NFL would agree that the media 843 00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:48,560 Speaker 1: or whoever says anything about you doesn't really apply the 844 00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,920 Speaker 1: kind of pressure on you that you would yourself. You 845 00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:54,600 Speaker 1: expect a lot out of yourself. That's a good thing 846 00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:56,799 Speaker 1: and a bad thing. Your own mind can be very 847 00:46:56,840 --> 00:47:01,240 Speaker 1: troublesome sometimes it's a roller coaster, and we've heard Kyler 848 00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:05,160 Speaker 1: Murray say that as well. Actually was Kingsbury about Kyler Murray. 849 00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:08,080 Speaker 1: No one is going to put any more pressure on 850 00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:12,000 Speaker 1: a player than the player themselves. Now that's not every player, 851 00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,879 Speaker 1: but it's good to hear Davin Collins has that he 852 00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,920 Speaker 1: understands when you're a first round draft pick, in the 853 00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:21,239 Speaker 1: middle of the first round, there is an expectation you 854 00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:24,640 Speaker 1: should be on the field, not just contributing on third 855 00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:27,520 Speaker 1: down as an outside edge rusher or on special teams. 856 00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,040 Speaker 1: You were drafted for a reason. We need to see 857 00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:33,440 Speaker 1: you on the football field. That's us talking, that's the 858 00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:37,280 Speaker 1: fans talking, that's the front office talking. But Davin Collins 859 00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:39,640 Speaker 1: has a voice in his own head that understands, Hey, 860 00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:43,200 Speaker 1: my name was called with the sixteenth overall pick by 861 00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,880 Speaker 1: Roger Goodell. I can't be standing on the sideline watching 862 00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:51,920 Speaker 1: someone else do what I was drafted to do. Yeah, hopefully, 863 00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:55,759 Speaker 1: you know, hopefully the maturity kicks in. You know, he 864 00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:59,359 Speaker 1: knows this is his profession. And let's be honest. If 865 00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:01,279 Speaker 1: if you don't show any upside in the next couple 866 00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,480 Speaker 1: of years, then I mean, you know, they're always going 867 00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:06,200 Speaker 1: to look behind door number two and I don't want 868 00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:07,959 Speaker 1: to get ahead of that, you know, the cart before 869 00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:11,800 Speaker 1: the horse. But I think part of him his growth 870 00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:14,960 Speaker 1: will be being mature, knowing that, you know what, the 871 00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:18,359 Speaker 1: guy next to me has three kids and he's trying 872 00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:20,719 Speaker 1: to take food off my trying to take food off 873 00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:22,719 Speaker 1: his table. So at the end of the day, but 874 00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,960 Speaker 1: I do think the maturity will help his growth. Being 875 00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,879 Speaker 1: here for a year and then getting an entire offseason, well, 876 00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,080 Speaker 1: that maturity has already shown the fact that he is 877 00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:34,759 Speaker 1: here has been here at least from what we've been 878 00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,359 Speaker 1: able to garner on easy cardinals dot Com. As far 879 00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:42,719 Speaker 1: as video packages, photo galleries, yes, it's voluntary, but if 880 00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:46,200 Speaker 1: you want to be good, be great, you have to 881 00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:48,640 Speaker 1: put in the work, and not on your own somewhere, 882 00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,719 Speaker 1: but for a young player like Xavian Collins, here with 883 00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:55,480 Speaker 1: your teammates and specifically with those position coachs, and you know, 884 00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,799 Speaker 1: as they get further into the offseason workouts, I mean 885 00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:02,920 Speaker 1: they are lining up and going against eleven personnel, twelve personnel, 886 00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:06,600 Speaker 1: so he's getting the calls. Now has to become muscle memory, 887 00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,880 Speaker 1: where I know what to do. I'm lining these guys up. 888 00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:13,240 Speaker 1: But the fact that they'll show him cards eventually, which 889 00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:15,560 Speaker 1: you know, when the game planned during the week, but 890 00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:18,120 Speaker 1: you know, once they get further in the in the process, 891 00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:20,560 Speaker 1: here he'll be he'll be asked to make the calls. 892 00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:24,000 Speaker 1: And Kingsbury, we know that we'll you know, maybe we'll 893 00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,960 Speaker 1: see more emotion or not, but you know, usually the 894 00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,880 Speaker 1: defense knows the plays after a while. But I just 895 00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:32,160 Speaker 1: think muscle memory, he'll get a ton of reps and 896 00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:34,520 Speaker 1: now will help him when he steps on the field 897 00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:38,319 Speaker 1: to play an actual real game. Bird Gang Quick Programming 898 00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,640 Speaker 1: Notes Cardinals cover two presented by Hunday Proud, partner of 899 00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:46,279 Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals, continues with the starts of OTAs. It 900 00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:53,000 Speaker 1: will just continue minus myself vacation ahead MJ. So well, 901 00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:55,400 Speaker 1: our colleague Danny Sirek will be stepping in and uh 902 00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:58,000 Speaker 1: talking all things. We'll chop it up, we'll have some 903 00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:01,840 Speaker 1: observations she'll be doing in the Red Red Sea Report, 904 00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:04,839 Speaker 1: and then we'll do another podcast a little bit later 905 00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:07,279 Speaker 1: in the week. But she does a great job. She's 906 00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:10,480 Speaker 1: been a great addition. Check her out on easy cardinals 907 00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:13,640 Speaker 1: dot com. She she she's really good at interviewing players, 908 00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:15,560 Speaker 1: and so I'm looking forward to doing the show with her. 909 00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:19,600 Speaker 1: When you were out, I think maybe you had you 910 00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:23,400 Speaker 1: couldn't talk. Yeah, yeah, that was lost my voice for 911 00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:26,960 Speaker 1: a little while there. Yeah. Yeah, so struggle last season 912 00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:30,960 Speaker 1: a couple periods during the area. Yeah things. Hey, you 913 00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:34,640 Speaker 1: know what life happens. Well, no, listen, you're sitting next 914 00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:37,719 Speaker 1: were sitting across from me other. I mean, I can't 915 00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:39,440 Speaker 1: tell you how bad my allergies were this year. I 916 00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:41,720 Speaker 1: mean I was like hack and and I felt fine, 917 00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:43,799 Speaker 1: and then I thought I had a head cold. And 918 00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:46,239 Speaker 1: I don't know, but I'm glad we're all good to go. 919 00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:49,399 Speaker 1: I'm well rested, and I am looking forward to, um, 920 00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:52,239 Speaker 1: you know, to see the veterans and rookies together on 921 00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:53,839 Speaker 1: the field. I guess now when they're on the field, 922 00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:57,360 Speaker 1: they we're only wearing T shirts. So the coaching staff 923 00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:00,160 Speaker 1: has to figure out how the new guys and I'm 924 00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,120 Speaker 1: sure it's based on what you know, what their hair 925 00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:04,560 Speaker 1: looks like and how tall they are. But right now 926 00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:06,319 Speaker 1: they're just wearing T shirts and the next week they 927 00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:08,880 Speaker 1: put the numbers on. It should be a lot of fun. 928 00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,840 Speaker 1: Make sure you pay attention to all of the work 929 00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:16,720 Speaker 1: on asy Cardinals dot com as now OTAs set to begin. 930 00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:21,680 Speaker 1: That's everybody, all ninety players working together, no contact or 931 00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:24,520 Speaker 1: anything like that, but a little bit more semblance of 932 00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:28,440 Speaker 1: football here at the Dignity Health Arizona Cardinals Training Center. 933 00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:31,200 Speaker 1: And on that notes, we will put a lid on 934 00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:34,239 Speaker 1: this edition of Cardinals Cover two, presented by Hyundai, proud 935 00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:37,400 Speaker 1: partner of the Arizona Cardinals. As always, special thanks to 936 00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:40,839 Speaker 1: our executive producer jem Almandro. For Mike Drecky, I'm greig 937 00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:42,840 Speaker 1: Riel Loup. We'll talk to you next time here on 938 00:51:43,000 --> 00:52:00,160 Speaker 1: Cardinals Cover two.