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Speaker 1: As always, Rob Phillips, I'd say a stand back, heck
Speaker 1: My Harrison, Chris Beam. I'm Kyle Yeoman's back from the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl in Mobile all In last week. I sat
Speaker 1: there in the stands and listen to you guys talk
Speaker 1: about wrestling, like fifteen minutes, say minus minus twelve, mind
Speaker 1: it more like okay, ten minutes. It was a long
Speaker 1: time we missed. We definitely guys were gone. Damn it
Speaker 1: the hell I wish i'd been there for that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we talked about you. Oh, I didn't realize you weren't
Speaker 1: here either. Out the show we talked about how Rob
Speaker 1: Pie needed to be a part of that conversation. You
Speaker 1: just weren't here. Oh that's right, you were out. I
Speaker 1: forgot about sixty days to wrestle Mania. Get your tickets,
Speaker 1: get your credentials. Gonna be court sides or ringing side.
Speaker 1: I gotta send some text messages out to give me
Speaker 1: some Yeah, yeah, we need to hook those up. Let's
Speaker 1: not I'm not a show up. Yeah, let's just all
Speaker 1: show up, holding hands, walking in the great can't wait.
Speaker 1: You had a busy week, huh yeah, yeah, Senior Bowl
Speaker 1: was great. Back on Friday, it was awesome. Yeah, Senior
Speaker 1: Bowl got to go. Uh, we we had to. We
Speaker 1: got stuck in Mobile. We had like four flight changes
Speaker 1: because of the ice here. Hope everybody stayed safe here
Speaker 1: in Texas. But then when we ultimately looked at it all,
Speaker 1: we decided to drive to New Orleans to have more
Speaker 1: shots to try and get back more. Yeah that's fair.
Speaker 1: I mean that's also there too, But yeah, so we
Speaker 1: we were down in New Orleans to try and have
Speaker 1: multiple opportunities to fly back and Ultimately it took us
Speaker 1: our second chance. We had. We had one flight canceled
Speaker 1: in New Orleans, and then whose idea was that? Was that?
Speaker 1: David Helman's idea Orleans? Actually my idea, but everybody, of
Speaker 1: course was four because he's never been in New Orleans.
Speaker 1: I had never been before. That was the first New
Speaker 1: Orleans trip. Yeah. Oh wow, yeah, Beamer, I've made that
Speaker 1: drive from Mobile to New Orleans. We have here to Mobile.
Speaker 1: Stop in New Orleans for the night. Hey, for the
Speaker 1: entire night, meet Chris and Mickey Spagnoles. Yeah, what hard.
Speaker 1: That's awesome. But yeah, other than that, a couple of
Speaker 1: basketball games, that's all nothing crazy. Waitin right, well you're
Speaker 1: missing one that once we get the news and notes. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's do that. Let's do that. Let's go, let's get
Speaker 1: into news and notes. What you got going on this week, Rob,
Speaker 1: somebody's getting many Yeah, congrats, hecas. Oh wait, you've got
Speaker 1: a ring. You've got a ring. You've got a ring? Yes, boom,
Speaker 1: that just happened. That congratulations. Man's man, it's pretty awesome.
Speaker 1: She finally proposed. Yeah, rights, she finally did it. She's
Speaker 1: the bread winner. Are you kidding me? Yeah? No, it was.
Speaker 1: It was so much fun, and yeah, it was. It
Speaker 1: was a blast. She's happy. It's like she's still on
Speaker 1: cloud nine. She texted me this morning and she was like,
Speaker 1: I still can't believe it. She's at work right now
Speaker 1: and she's just I'm sure she's probably just that thing
Speaker 1: was fat than you. And I'm talking about fat phat
Speaker 1: for those I don't know how to spell that fat.
Speaker 1: That's pretty high and tempting. That thing is serious. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: we're talking about the ring, the ring, Yeah, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: I mean what was it was? How many carries? I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna tell you. It's not about the cars, but
Speaker 1: but what shape was? It was an oval oval. I
Speaker 1: want to make sure I got that correct. That thing
Speaker 1: was nice, that had all the vegetables. I just I
Speaker 1: wan't to applaud you on the timing because you said
Speaker 1: she was surprised you didn't do it on New Year's
Speaker 1: Eve and you didn't do it on Valentine's Day? Did
Speaker 1: it right in between where she didn't see it coming,
Speaker 1: right as soon as you got back from the Senior Bowl. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: pretty much. I had two days to Brett. You didn't
Speaker 1: even unpack. No, I didn't not until the night off.
Speaker 1: I mean, we want to know. I want to hear
Speaker 1: about how it happens. Okay, we have an entire hour.
Speaker 1: We're not forty five minutes right now, that's true. We
Speaker 1: do have a full selen. We will talk football, I promise.
Speaker 1: But yeah, this is fun. So it's the size of
Speaker 1: a football. It was oval. So ultimately, the whole idea
Speaker 1: was when when I was told I was going to
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl, she was a little little stad She
Speaker 1: was like, oh, I don't like it whenever you're away.
Speaker 1: And I was like, you know what, I'll make it
Speaker 1: up to you. Let's do Let's do a date night.
Speaker 1: We do it every like all throughout football season. We
Speaker 1: have these date nights. That way when things get busy,
Speaker 1: I can still kind of go with her. And so, oh,
Speaker 1: my wife's not listening to I'm sorry. Yeah. Uh so,
Speaker 1: well I planned a date night and I said, hey,
Speaker 1: I got us reservations. But the only time I could
Speaker 1: do it was at six o'clock on Sunday afternoon. So
Speaker 1: and she worked until five, which is in her work
Speaker 1: is like forty five minutes away. She works at a
Speaker 1: wedding venue. A great wedding venue up north. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: that great convenience. Um, And so I went and picked
Speaker 1: her up, and like I told her, it was like
Speaker 1: a nice place that was good for pictures. So we
Speaker 1: both kind of dressed up. We're nice and dressed to
Speaker 1: the teas. And I drove back down to downtown Dallas
Speaker 1: and we went to the Arts district. Beautiful spot over there,
Speaker 1: lots of buildings, lights, We're at the Performing Arts Center
Speaker 1: where we've gone multiple occasions to see concerts and plays
Speaker 1: and stuff in the past. And so I went down there.
Speaker 1: There was like a it's like a patio balcony sort
Speaker 1: of deal that overlooks like a business district with all
Speaker 1: these windows and buildings and different stuff downtown. And I
Speaker 1: had a set up there that had these light up
Speaker 1: letters and candles, had pictures of some stuff. I had it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you will see. I'm sorry, Nicky, you're kicking my ass
Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, that's what it looked like. I'll show
Speaker 1: it on the camera here in a second. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: what it looked like. We got down there. It was
Speaker 1: it was very good. Here you go, Chris, I'll show
Speaker 1: it on the camera. So that was the that was y'all. Definitely,
Speaker 1: I want to hear my story. It's so bad. Yeah,
Speaker 1: put us all to damn shames. Sorry, I have to
Speaker 1: make it up ten your anniversary. I got enough to do.
Speaker 1: Oh man, No, that is very crazy. So you got
Speaker 1: that idea off Pinterest? No I didn't. That's really excitest board. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: Interest is great for a lot of those things. The
Speaker 1: letter I ordered him off of Amazon. Yeah, Amazon got
Speaker 1: it there, prime shipping. It's funny. She actually put the
Speaker 1: box from my front like with the letters in it.
Speaker 1: She it was supposed to arrive a day later. It
Speaker 1: arrived day early, and she took the box from my
Speaker 1: front step and put it in my apartment. Wow, thank
Speaker 1: god she didn't open it up. That's awesome. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: she's not at all. Yeah. Arrangement Yeah yeah, but so
Speaker 1: we had we had a photographer videographer waiting for us
Speaker 1: down there. We walked up and conveniently we're just placed there. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: they were just there. Connor down the hall actually was
Speaker 1: one that video the whole thing. He's got a great
Speaker 1: video that he's walking on right now. Um and then
Speaker 1: after with me a whole but he sorry, I'm just
Speaker 1: handled dirt all myself, this dirt on myself. But afterwards
Speaker 1: we met met a bunch of friends and family out
Speaker 1: of the at a patio downtown. It was still kind
Speaker 1: of a smaller group, but it was it was sorry
Speaker 1: at been security or something. It was mostly family in
Speaker 1: long time in high school friends. Yeah, Connor Connor was there.
Speaker 1: Connor was there? Yea, and so your favorite show there.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it was a blast, guys. Yeah, yeah, Hey,
Speaker 1: don't worry. The wedding invite will be there. Tell us,
Speaker 1: don't even do so. I just want to tell you
Speaker 1: the creativity that you displayed right there is he's on
Speaker 1: the level right now. I think it is like a
Speaker 1: smell of and I don't know what it is. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be a fun one. And that is that creativity
Speaker 1: is off the charts. I literally drove up Jammie happy
Speaker 1: feelings and asked my wife to man, let's not go. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and this guy right here goes full on pictures. What's
Speaker 1: going give us the bowl one ceedee Lamb had four
Speaker 1: catches for forty one. They got eighty thousand dollars, right,
Speaker 1: eighty thousand, forty He got forty guys. Hell of a game.
Speaker 1: A lot of tackling. Watch, yeah, watch, I watched the
Speaker 1: whole thing. Actually, I love that two hand touch. Yeah
Speaker 1: and just tap off. Well, Kyle, great job man, Congratulations,
Speaker 1: congrass man. You'll you'll be in in the nosy club
Speaker 1: here soon. That's okay, I'm ready. She's super happy, and
Speaker 1: that that's the last Amazon package that will ever come
Speaker 1: that won't be opened. Everything name on it or not,
Speaker 1: it's done. Yeah, you're right, but it'll be a blast.
Speaker 1: And of course when the wedding comes around, we'll live
Speaker 1: stream and I'm sure we'll have a podcast that day.
Speaker 1: So have you guys set up in the reception while
Speaker 1: we're eating. It'll just be you guys up on the
Speaker 1: stage podcasting. It'll be it'll be a lot of fun,
Speaker 1: but special. Thanks to everybody. That's exactly special. Thanks everybody
Speaker 1: who sent the well wishes and the congratulations. Yeah, it's happening,
Speaker 1: so coming down that way. All right, Alright, let's talk
Speaker 1: about this news and notes. Let's get to some cowboys talk.
Speaker 1: We've spent ten minutes on it, so that's enough. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just texted my wife. Just started ten minutes in
Speaker 1: because we had some technical difficulties. That's a good idea.
Speaker 1: All right, I covered the Pro Bowl, but that's that's
Speaker 1: enough about the Pro Bowl. Um that impressed it. Also, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean my mentions fans not happy with the format there.
Speaker 1: I feel like it's crowndhog Day every year. We say
Speaker 1: the same thing. As long as they play it, I
Speaker 1: think that's the way it's gonna be. And I don't
Speaker 1: I got crap for this. I don't blame players for
Speaker 1: not one to tackle each other. Now it's an extra
Speaker 1: game where you're beat up during the season. It's a
Speaker 1: month before free agency. Guys are trying to protect themselves,
Speaker 1: protect each other. I got no problem with it at all.
Speaker 1: They want to make a skials competition, fine, but if
Speaker 1: they're gonna play the game that way, kind of a
Speaker 1: dodgeball game just full had a portion of it. I'm
Speaker 1: saying they might have just turned the whole Pro Bowl
Speaker 1: into a dodgeball game. But I mean, if we're being honest,
Speaker 1: you look across the major sports NHL, MLB, what's the
Speaker 1: most fun part NBA, it's the slam dunk contoles. For
Speaker 1: the MLB, it's the home run Derby for the hockey,
Speaker 1: it's the skills competition. The most entertaining. Part of an
Speaker 1: All Star weekend is the skills stuff that they make
Speaker 1: sure overly entertaining. It's not necessarily the game because at
Speaker 1: the same time, maybe baseball is the only one where
Speaker 1: you can really play it. Yeah, basketball, even it's not
Speaker 1: a real game. It's always one hundred and fifty eight,
Speaker 1: one hundred and seventy to whatever. It's just recently started. Yeah,
Speaker 1: getting better a new format, and towards the end of
Speaker 1: the game it gets more competitive. I think the argument
Speaker 1: is the game that less resembles the actual sport itself
Speaker 1: is the Pro Bowl of all the major sports. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I get it, but anybody got real problems. I mean,
Speaker 1: why people complaining about this. It's not that big a deal.
Speaker 1: It's kind of one of those things where it's like
Speaker 1: if if you're gonna watch it, watch it. If you
Speaker 1: don't want to watch its has on comments about it.
Speaker 1: Saw that. Yeah, he was in Dion Sanders, Okay, he
Speaker 1: pretty much commentist saying that. I mean, I kind of
Speaker 1: a paraphrase pretty much that, you know, it used to
Speaker 1: be a badge of honor to go and compete and
Speaker 1: show why you were the best, and now it's not
Speaker 1: that way. So whatever, it's a different time different different
Speaker 1: time period. Definitely, definitely Cowboys did have some guys show out.
Speaker 1: Michael Parsons there, Trayvon Diggs, ceedee lamb. You mentioned his
Speaker 1: stat line. I thought the Cowboys kind of stole the show.
Speaker 1: And of course nobody really cares unless you win playoff
Speaker 1: games to this certain extent, but uh, I mean Trayvon
Speaker 1: Diggs won the catching contest like the skills contest, and
Speaker 1: then Michael Parson's winning the race against Tyree Hill who
Speaker 1: went probably seventy percent, but everybody else in that race
Speaker 1: went well. So how about that from Michael Parsons showing
Speaker 1: off the speed a little bit big? He beat his teammate,
Speaker 1: nothing else, Trayvon, But I mean, are all chilling? I
Speaker 1: missed the time? Who is that they used to run out?
Speaker 1: He used to playing for Washington back in the day,
Speaker 1: super Fast Green Green, that boy had Wills. I used
Speaker 1: to love watching that part of the competition in the
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl. Willie Galt, Darryl Green races used to be
Speaker 1: off the chain fastest man in the NFL. Those are
Speaker 1: those are the days? I mean? And that was a
Speaker 1: real race, oh no doubt, Yeah, yes they would race
Speaker 1: to the Pro Bowl. Oh yeah, it was. It was
Speaker 1: like it was going down. Yeah, I mean, and they
Speaker 1: used to have the NFL Fastest Man deal every year.
Speaker 1: It was I don't know that that it was on NBC.
Speaker 1: I just remember seeing guys always run in it. But
Speaker 1: you know, it's look, man, we live in that world
Speaker 1: of memes. And one of my favorite memes is when
Speaker 1: you see it's like a it's like they're they're at
Speaker 1: a dog park or dog races and there's a cheetah
Speaker 1: sitting in the box and the cheetahs just like sitting
Speaker 1: there watching the dogs run, and it's like, come on, no,
Speaker 1: you're worth us. So whatever the mean the caption is
Speaker 1: over the front. That's what I thought about trick Hill
Speaker 1: not running in this because well, you know he's a
Speaker 1: track guy. Yeah, and there's no way and Michael Parsons,
Speaker 1: let me just saying this freak athlete. I'm mean, Trey
Speaker 1: von Dis ran for real, Chubb ran for real. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they got smoke. Yeah, that was the only person
Speaker 1: who looked like he just really cared about this race
Speaker 1: either way. But Tikill, I just nah, he'll backed off.
Speaker 1: But the fact that it was Chubb, I mean, Chubb
Speaker 1: was one of the more electrifying running backs. The long
Speaker 1: runs that they explosives running back in the NFL, you
Speaker 1: would expect him to be able to run away from
Speaker 1: She's a nine or maybe even a forty millimeter, but
Speaker 1: you know, but not a Buzuka. Not a Buzuka. I
Speaker 1: do think it was funny when they were interviewing them
Speaker 1: pre race, and the Lis Assaulter I believe, was doing
Speaker 1: the interview and yeah, and she was saying that their
Speaker 1: forty times were so close, and then you know, Parson's
Speaker 1: kind of looked over at Chubb's like what was your
Speaker 1: forty time? And he's like oh, and She's like he
Speaker 1: was a four or five something, and Parson's kind of
Speaker 1: looked over him like okay, yeah, okay, like I gotta go,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna smoke. Yeah, it was done by that point forward,
Speaker 1: he already knew. So that was interesting, a lot of
Speaker 1: fun to see that happen, um Man. And it's funny
Speaker 1: I was watching going back to memes, there was a
Speaker 1: video I saw on the internet this week. It was
Speaker 1: like a javelin test, yeah, from the military. Boom just
Speaker 1: shot a rocket out and it just came right back down.
Speaker 1: It was so cool looking and the first thing I
Speaker 1: thought of was up, there's Michael Parsons right in the backfield.
Speaker 1: I mean what if I just like I said, freak
Speaker 1: athlete his his I mean, rookie year. Maybe we won't
Speaker 1: see anything like this or we've seen something like it before,
Speaker 1: but in this time, I'm just excited about what he
Speaker 1: can do in his second season, especially with the type
Speaker 1: of rookie output uh that he had. So it's thinking
Speaker 1: about him getting bigger, faster, stronger. For for rookies obviously,
Speaker 1: you just you want these guys to just stay dedicated
Speaker 1: to the craft and not you know, the off season
Speaker 1: takes on a life all in his own, but breed
Speaker 1: build holding around that kind of talent. Just seeing what
Speaker 1: he did, I was just like, man, this is he's
Speaker 1: ours saying, we're gonna have him for a very long time.
Speaker 1: So I just love that we have that kind of
Speaker 1: freaky athleticism on our team. Did you see them do
Speaker 1: the redraft on it was either NFL or ESPN dot com. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's much higher, much higher. He's wearing a Falcon's jersey.
Speaker 1: I believe the number four overall instead of Kyle Pitts. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you get him at number twelve. Not bad, not
Speaker 1: at all. If you guys were betting men, would you
Speaker 1: guys bet a that he would have a better season
Speaker 1: than he had his rookie year going into a second year. Man,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna say, I'm going to say yes. And
Speaker 1: the reason I'm gonna say yes is because now he
Speaker 1: has an opportunity to sharpen his skill set. From an
Speaker 1: edge rusher standpoint, I think we saw he was just
Speaker 1: what he did. He's just raw. You know, he's out there,
Speaker 1: he is out there balling, you know, all in his
Speaker 1: own So I think he becomes a lot better at that.
Speaker 1: And I think dan Quinn now with him being back,
Speaker 1: also gives him a lot more to scheme around because
Speaker 1: of his skill set. I don't think they even recognize
Speaker 1: what they had until they got him in here and
Speaker 1: then things started to change. You hit the nail right
Speaker 1: on the head. Dan Quinn being back gives that an
Speaker 1: opportunity to happen. And even if there is a slight
Speaker 1: drop off, you're fine that he doesn't have to be
Speaker 1: just doesn't have to hit that number to be a
Speaker 1: successful player in the NFL. He doesn't have to be
Speaker 1: a first team All Pro to be an impact player.
Speaker 1: But you're right with it being so raw and unchiseled
Speaker 1: and so just pure talent, there is an opportunity to
Speaker 1: take that next step with dan Quinn in an entire offseason.
Speaker 1: You know, at least based off of what he said
Speaker 1: throughout his rookie season, he has the work ethic, he
Speaker 1: has the want to drive, the hunger as the lion
Speaker 1: to jump to the next level, which if you look
Speaker 1: at some of the guys that he was compared to
Speaker 1: t J. Watt, You've got Miles Garrett in that category.
Speaker 1: They had seasons that statistically were better than Michael Parsons.
Speaker 1: But now Michael Parsons can do that in year two.
Speaker 1: That's I mean, in my opinion, it's the most exciting
Speaker 1: thing that came out of twenty twenty one by far
Speaker 1: for the future anyways, was the fact that you have
Speaker 1: Micah Parsons as a core member of that defense. Even
Speaker 1: with what Trayvon Diggs did, Michael Parsons was still the
Speaker 1: most exciting part. Do you agree with that, Rob, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would, And we'll find out Thursday night if he's
Speaker 1: the NFL rookie of the Year defensively, I'm would be
Speaker 1: shocked if he's not. He's all you mentioned t J. Watt.
Speaker 1: He's probably the favorite for Defensive Player of the Year. Sure,
Speaker 1: but Mike is right in that conversation. And you know,
Speaker 1: the one thing Mike McCarthy said after the season was
Speaker 1: the challenge year two is that teams are going to
Speaker 1: find whale to spend all offseason trying to scheme for you.
Speaker 1: But the counter to that is that Mica can play
Speaker 1: all over the place and you never really know where
Speaker 1: he's coming from. So I'm with you, guys. I think
Speaker 1: what he has shown with his work ethic and he talked,
Speaker 1: he has talked a lot about that. I expect him
Speaker 1: to be better for sure. Is there any worry around
Speaker 1: Michael Parsons and what he could bring next year if
Speaker 1: there is sort of drop off or something that teams
Speaker 1: could look at and say that might be where we
Speaker 1: could get you. No, none, No, nope. What is his
Speaker 1: biggest weakness? Lack of experience? Wow, that's it. I mean
Speaker 1: physically there, I don't think that he has too many weaknesses.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's he's a solid height, he's a solid weight,
Speaker 1: he's explosive, he's powerful, he's strong. I think it's just
Speaker 1: lack of experience, you know. I think what he lacked
Speaker 1: this year, and whatever, if you want to say that
Speaker 1: he lacked anything, you know, he'll gain obviously with a
Speaker 1: full off season. You know, it's a hecka's point. He'll
Speaker 1: have opportunity to go back and watch film. He'll have
Speaker 1: opportunity to get with guys like d Way and other
Speaker 1: guys that are around the area that can get their
Speaker 1: hands on him and work with him on technique and
Speaker 1: work on those pass rushes, and then he'll be able
Speaker 1: to get with guys in the linebacker position, watch film
Speaker 1: with Dan Quinn for an entire offseason, and then get
Speaker 1: today can be on the same accord and understand what
Speaker 1: they're both trying to do when certain calls are made.
Speaker 1: So I think once he gains that experience and get
Speaker 1: that knowledge right, get that gets that dot back on
Speaker 1: his helmet and all those type of things that we
Speaker 1: talked about him getting removed that pressure from him this year,
Speaker 1: I think he could be pretty dog scary now. And
Speaker 1: that's the that's the one thing I mean, and we're
Speaker 1: just critiquing something that's already really good. Sum I mean,
Speaker 1: and not with any solid proof. I know that his
Speaker 1: pf F grade on tackles was outstanding, so he's not
Speaker 1: missing many tackles. Um. You know, I think a lot
Speaker 1: of teams thought at first that maybe because you know,
Speaker 1: putting him at edge, you could run at him. And
Speaker 1: then he showed that he can obviously stack and get
Speaker 1: guys off, and so his ability to do those things
Speaker 1: kind of dissuay the teams was saying, Okay, that's not
Speaker 1: his weakness either. If I could just point to anything
Speaker 1: that he could possibly get better at, and that's in coverage,
Speaker 1: that's what people said coming out. Yeah, But then at
Speaker 1: the same time, when you see him cover a guy
Speaker 1: fifty yards down the field, you're like, well, physically he
Speaker 1: could do anything, definitely do it. So I mean, those
Speaker 1: are just some some really things. And like again I'm
Speaker 1: nitpicking and absolutely understand that I am. I'm just saying, like,
Speaker 1: as far as coverage is concerned, I think those were
Speaker 1: some of the drop offs where we were having to
Speaker 1: use more of a safety looking Curse wasn't bad in
Speaker 1: that area as well. But you know, so that teams
Speaker 1: are not able to scheme the wid they did against him, well,
Speaker 1: and that's what I'm asking is I want to nitpick
Speaker 1: because there are so many things, and that's what teams
Speaker 1: are gonna do all offseason long. They're gonna look at
Speaker 1: and they're like, all right, so this guy doesn't look
Speaker 1: like he has a weakness, but we think he has one.
Speaker 1: This might be where we could do it. Is the
Speaker 1: run game one, because I'm looking at you mentioned PF
Speaker 1: grade tech mind, So I pulled him up and I
Speaker 1: mean ninety overall ninety three pass rush, which is highest
Speaker 1: in the NFL, I believe, or at least right there.
Speaker 1: Coverage grade was a good solid sixty nine, almost close
Speaker 1: to seventy. His run defense, though, is where his grade
Speaker 1: was low. And there's a couple times on film where
Speaker 1: he kind of gets washed out whenever he tries to
Speaker 1: kind of work against offensive linemen in the zone blocking
Speaker 1: schemes and the run schemes. But is that something that
Speaker 1: he could learn just by having reps. That's film study.
Speaker 1: That's film study. Once once he gains an understanding again,
Speaker 1: once he sits down with Dan Quinn for entire offseason,
Speaker 1: it understands what the guys in front of him were doing, right,
Speaker 1: what is what is the responsibilities of a defensive alignment.
Speaker 1: What gap are they supposed to be responsible for? What
Speaker 1: are they trying to do to the offensive alignement? Who
Speaker 1: are they freeing up? Where is the best place to attack?
Speaker 1: You know, when these guys are flowing. Once he understands
Speaker 1: how those things and logistics of that works, then he'll
Speaker 1: be half a step faster than he was this year
Speaker 1: and he won't get washed out like he had been.
Speaker 1: Even ray Lewis some of the best linebackers in the league.
Speaker 1: That's one of the things that they have to up.
Speaker 1: They have to anchor themselves and not get caught up
Speaker 1: in the wash. But I'm telling you, man, anytime you
Speaker 1: got a six five, three hundred and five pound man
Speaker 1: barreling down on you and you're going to run direction,
Speaker 1: it's hard to change direction. And we saw that from
Speaker 1: Laden Vanderes and Jalen when they were early years. I wonder, though,
Speaker 1: could he end up being full time ed rusher. I
Speaker 1: was about to ask that depending depending on who comes back. Yes,
Speaker 1: I mean there's a chance you don't have either Randy
Speaker 1: Gregory or DeMarcus Lawrence or one of the other. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's a good chance that one of those guys will
Speaker 1: be gone if not both. How many times have we
Speaker 1: argued about As I'm saying this, I'm like, we're going
Speaker 1: right back to drag us, right back to this. I
Speaker 1: knew at the off season we just need to build
Speaker 1: like a show around it, you know what. But you
Speaker 1: know what, the whole season after watching him and saying that, look,
Speaker 1: he needs to be at edge and seeing the deficiencies
Speaker 1: that we had in the middle. And that's why the
Speaker 1: draft show talking about linebackers so important, because we're gonna
Speaker 1: need to get a solid run stopper in here. You know,
Speaker 1: a couple, right, But at the same time, you know,
Speaker 1: you just you just recognize that those are some of
Speaker 1: his strengths. I don't think that he's going to be
Speaker 1: one of those guys that you pitcheonhole into one of
Speaker 1: the other the other. He's a weapon on your defense
Speaker 1: and you should use him as such. So Dan Quinn,
Speaker 1: who whatever defensive coordinators in here that's coaching him, is
Speaker 1: gonna understand that he is a special talent that you
Speaker 1: should use as that Swiss army knife. I just I'm
Speaker 1: laughing because I'm going all the way back to week
Speaker 1: three and four of the season, where it was pass
Speaker 1: rusher linebacker debate, which one is? Which one is he
Speaker 1: better at? And his play consistently throughout the season just
Speaker 1: negated all of that. He took it all away because
Speaker 1: now it's not a linebacker or a pass rusher, it's
Speaker 1: just play defense. No, it was great, but like to
Speaker 1: your point, heck, who are the linebackers next year? Drebill
Speaker 1: Cox coming back. That's the only one that's under contract right.
Speaker 1: Vanderesh is a free agent, count of Nels a free agent.
Speaker 1: Francis Bernard's been hurt, but Lucy so, even if Mica
Speaker 1: is back at linebacker at least most of the time,
Speaker 1: part of the time, they're gonna have to address that spot.
Speaker 1: Do you think Curse comes back now that the dan
Speaker 1: Quinn State. I think there's a chance he's Boure. I
Speaker 1: sure hope he does. Yeah, I sure hope he does.
Speaker 1: If we're doing those topic, we're doing top three later,
Speaker 1: Yeah we are, Okay, Yeah, it'd be on my We're
Speaker 1: gonna talk about it coming up in a little bit.
Speaker 1: Let's take our first break when we come back here
Speaker 1: on talking Cowboys. What is the coaching staff expectation going
Speaker 1: to be like? Because there are not only Dan Quinn
Speaker 1: coming back, but it looks like Kellen Moore will be
Speaker 1: back in the offensive coordinators. See what kind of expectations
Speaker 1: are set there and kind of reactions to what Jerry
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Speaker 1: also a big fight happening at at and T Stadium
Speaker 1: as well coming up. Just announced this was like ten
Speaker 1: minutes ago. Yeah, this is like ten minutes ago that
Speaker 1: this happened. Uh, Spence Junior is fighter Spence. Yes, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Premiere Boxing Champions at at and T Stadium. I don't
Speaker 1: want to say his name wrong. What is that name?
Speaker 1: It's ugas. I don't know how to I don't I
Speaker 1: don't either. It's for the title. Yeah, he has unified
Speaker 1: world welterweight champions. He has to fight. He hasn't fighting forever.
Speaker 1: So there you go. So that's happening at at and
Speaker 1: T Stadium April sixteenth. I hope it's how you say
Speaker 1: his name. I'm not a fighting guy, just as you
Speaker 1: can tell. But um okay, this is from down in Mobile.
Speaker 1: Last week we had a chance to catch up with
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones. He says this, He certainly qualified. He's very qualified. Yes,
Speaker 1: I would consider if I didn't have a head coach,
Speaker 1: I would have been interviewing him for head coach. Talking
Speaker 1: of course about defensive coordinator Dan Quinn, who was making
Speaker 1: his way back to Dallas, was passed up by a
Speaker 1: couple of jobs, and ultimately made the decision to stay put,
Speaker 1: maybe because of some of the talking and the conversations
Speaker 1: between him and the Jones family. Moving forward, Cowboys fans
Speaker 1: certainly happy to have dan Quinn back in the fold.
Speaker 1: But is this something that is going to be a
Speaker 1: problem going into the season. Yeah, I mean, that's that's
Speaker 1: my biggest thing. He said it. I mean, that was
Speaker 1: worked for word. I was so surprised that that came
Speaker 1: out of his men. He said it on camera. I mean,
Speaker 1: because I can just imagine Coach McCarthy's face as he's
Speaker 1: hearing that. He just imagine Coach McCarthy was smiling and
Speaker 1: know he's just listen into that whole thread that mister
Speaker 1: Jones said, and his face just changed his like, Oh.
Speaker 1: The one thing about it, though, is Jerry's right and
Speaker 1: saying that you knew that right. Everybody knows dan Quinn
Speaker 1: is a great coach and he's qualified, very qualified, even
Speaker 1: not talking about that part, to be a head coach.
Speaker 1: I know. It's the second sentence that really is the
Speaker 1: one that hits. Is that just him putting pressure where
Speaker 1: pressure needs to be put. No, because there was a
Speaker 1: whole there was another portion of that that you didn't mention,
Speaker 1: where he said he knows that he's not going to
Speaker 1: be the coach of the Dallas Cowboys one day, yeah,
Speaker 1: exactly one day. Yeah, But he's referring to Kellen Moore
Speaker 1: and Dan Quinn. When he was referring to that, I'm like, so, yeah,
Speaker 1: nixt manute, So when is one day? Yeah? When is
Speaker 1: one day? I mean that that's that's hurtful. It is.
Speaker 1: It's tough. How much older is McCarthy than dan quinn.
Speaker 1: They're about the same man, yet the same I can
Speaker 1: look it up. So when you make that comment, let's
Speaker 1: look over your shoulder time exactly. I mean, look, I'm
Speaker 1: just wondering just what I mean. There's not a twenty
Speaker 1: or thirty year age gap there as if somebody's gonna
Speaker 1: get phased out, you know, they're gonna father Time's gonna
Speaker 1: beat him, not Bill Belichick and Josh McDaniel. Or when
Speaker 1: Bill Parcels was here and they wanted to keep Sean
Speaker 1: Payton and gave him a raise and know five and
Speaker 1: Bill was sixties with history of some health problems. Here's
Speaker 1: some marriage advice. Never overcompliment another one woman in front
Speaker 1: of the whole don't ever do you hear about that
Speaker 1: on your way home. He has been lighting up McCarthy
Speaker 1: this offseason, in these past four weeks. He's not happy.
Speaker 1: He's been lighting him up. I mean he left him
Speaker 1: on a string. He didn't come out and say blatantly
Speaker 1: that he was coming back until until but Dan Quinn
Speaker 1: said he was coming back, and then he said that
Speaker 1: was that was calculated because they were working together to
Speaker 1: get Dan back. They wanted other teams to think that
Speaker 1: Dan could have been hired. Here, dude, that coach h yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that he wasn't leaving him twisting in the wind. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he was. He was hanging in the wind. He
Speaker 1: was hanging on the last little limb right there waiting.
Speaker 1: Is it deservedly so for coach Mike McCarthy going from
Speaker 1: first year two second year? Great question? Is it it?
Speaker 1: Does he deserve it? I mean, obviously this is a
Speaker 1: cutthrough business. All coaches get fired, and with anticipating being fired. Uh,
Speaker 1: but the pressure that he's under and everybody, I feel
Speaker 1: as if if Double Jay would have stopped, what did
Speaker 1: you were just left it at just leaving as a
Speaker 1: leaving him as a cliffhanger, you know, just hey, are
Speaker 1: you coming back type of deal, like not standing behind
Speaker 1: him and saying hey to answer guy coming back, Like
Speaker 1: he did that right, He waited a couple of weeks
Speaker 1: on that, just let McCarthy just kind of hanging there
Speaker 1: in the wind by himself. I think if he would
Speaker 1: have ended it right there, I think that would have
Speaker 1: been Hey, okay, points proven, all right, I get it.
Speaker 1: I like, okay, I gotta bring it next year. But
Speaker 1: when he doubled down with that comment, oh, that's just hurtful.
Speaker 1: That just hurts because now you got to go into meeting.
Speaker 1: You're his boss, and he pretty much knows. And the
Speaker 1: reason why. I remember when I was here my second
Speaker 1: year and Wade Phillips was a head coach and there
Speaker 1: was some dude by the name of Jason Garrett who
Speaker 1: was the offensive coordinator. But he had got such a
Speaker 1: pay raise, he had got pay raise as such where
Speaker 1: he was pretty much had the same power financially, right
Speaker 1: it seemed as if he was the head coach as well.
Speaker 1: And I remember those power, those power pools, those power
Speaker 1: struggles in team team operations where we would be doing
Speaker 1: a walk through and the defense would be on one
Speaker 1: side and the offense would be on one side, and
Speaker 1: then coach Phillips would finish, you know, with the defense
Speaker 1: walked through and be like hey would look down and
Speaker 1: say hey, hey, Jason, wrap it up, and he'd be like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: well we'll be done in a minute. Everybody was standing
Speaker 1: there and be like, oh, crap, Like who's the head coach? Rap.
Speaker 1: That was the year after like Jason turned down a
Speaker 1: couple opportunities to come back. That was a little bit
Speaker 1: of a unique situation though, just because he was hired.
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett was hired before Wade Phillips was hired. He
Speaker 1: was brought in in an unspecified assistant role turned out
Speaker 1: to bedoc before Wade Phillips was that and everybody knew
Speaker 1: at some point Jason Garrett was going to be here,
Speaker 1: you see. And I feel like the only reason why
Speaker 1: that feeling there was a multiple reasons right there was
Speaker 1: because of the pay race, because he had turned down
Speaker 1: the opportunities, right, and then the fact that there was
Speaker 1: at age there was a age gap, right, but there's
Speaker 1: no age gap there by the way. Fifty eight to
Speaker 1: fifty one, Quinn's fifty one McCarthy's fifty eight. There you go, see,
Speaker 1: But now I feel like there's not that larger about
Speaker 1: age age gap. But it feels very similar to that
Speaker 1: transition of power. It really does. As I look at
Speaker 1: it from the outside in, I'm like, this feels like
Speaker 1: Wade Phillips, Jason Garrett, Sorry, go ahead, No, No, it's
Speaker 1: just the power struggle set up is already something that's
Speaker 1: gonna undermine Mike McCarthy from what you're saying, and if
Speaker 1: you and if you can see this from sitting here,
Speaker 1: when you go into OTAs, when you go into two
Speaker 1: of Days, when you're going into when when there's a struggle,
Speaker 1: how do you dictate from from a leadership standpoint, Hey,
Speaker 1: this is what we want to do. Two players that
Speaker 1: already know your seat is so hot, you know, how
Speaker 1: effective do you become when we're like my kids say
Speaker 1: we're gonna go, I'm gonna go ask mom. It's so
Speaker 1: much cutting your legs out. So much of it is
Speaker 1: depending on dan Quinn and how he handles it. And
Speaker 1: I knowing dan Quinn, he's gonna handle it like a
Speaker 1: like a champ. He's gonna handle it like a champ.
Speaker 1: JG didn't necessarily handle it that way, right, But but
Speaker 1: I knowing Dan Quinn personally, he is not It won't
Speaker 1: be any issues. He's not going to cause any internal
Speaker 1: issues for a coach McCarthy. He's not gonna cause those
Speaker 1: those little minute, little situations where everybody has to look
Speaker 1: side to side and fear out who's in charge. He's
Speaker 1: gonna make sure that everybody knows McCarthy's in charge. I'm
Speaker 1: here playing my position. But I feel as if those
Speaker 1: two situations, leaving him on a cliffhanger and then doubling
Speaker 1: down with those comments leaves everybody now looking like, bro,
Speaker 1: like you're really not in charge. No. And the thing
Speaker 1: is is he put them on different levels. He put
Speaker 1: them on different standing zone. Because if he wanted to
Speaker 1: really say we're a united team going to the same goal,
Speaker 1: it's okay McCarthy and Quinn are succeeding together or they're
Speaker 1: not succeeding together. Instead, it was well, if McCarthy doesn't succeed,
Speaker 1: there is a guy here that could probably get the
Speaker 1: job done. That was the biggest thing that stood out
Speaker 1: to me. Additionally, if you take all of this away,
Speaker 1: you take that star off the wall. You take the
Speaker 1: stars off the jackets in which we're wearing, you take
Speaker 1: all of it away. You're not talking about the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 1: You can talk about any other team in the NFL, maybe,
Speaker 1: with the exception of the Patriots and Bill Belichick, a
Speaker 1: six win improvement, going from six and ten straight to
Speaker 1: twelve and five winning the division even with a playoff loss.
Speaker 1: Everyone's happy, right, everyone's great. Everybody's fist pump. They're like, Okay,
Speaker 1: we've got a chance here, We've got a future, we've
Speaker 1: got a talented quarterback, we've got an offensive mindset with
Speaker 1: all these weapons that hey, we've got some success, and
Speaker 1: oh my goodness, our defense looked like they had the
Speaker 1: biggest improvement out of any unit in the NFL last year.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of positives that are being buried by
Speaker 1: the frustration of this organization, which is fair. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying there's anything wrong with the frustration, because I have
Speaker 1: it too. There's frustration in the fact that it's the
Speaker 1: same old groundhog day. You don't have that playoff success.
Speaker 1: But there's still something that McCarthy did right to go
Speaker 1: from six and ten to make it into a twelve
Speaker 1: and five and ultimately make it into the playoffs with
Speaker 1: no questions asked. We got to week five of the year,
Speaker 1: we knew this was a playoff team immediately. You just
Speaker 1: knew that there was a chance for it to be different,
Speaker 1: and ultimately the fact that it wasn't was the reason
Speaker 1: why people are upset with his head coaching job right now.
Speaker 1: One reason why Jerry so pissed off about the way
Speaker 1: the season ended was how healthy they were, Like, that's
Speaker 1: everything was set up for success. So that's a gift
Speaker 1: from the football gods to be relatively healthy at that
Speaker 1: point in the season and to come out and not
Speaker 1: play well at all until you know, yeah, you fought back,
Speaker 1: but forty nine Ers were the better team on the road,
Speaker 1: only road team to win in the first round of
Speaker 1: the playoffs. There's a part of me that is kind
Speaker 1: of once to robut a little bit of this and
Speaker 1: because look, if he wanted to, why why didn't he
Speaker 1: just make Dan Quinn the head coach? And he didn't
Speaker 1: do it? And so I don't know, I've I've been
Speaker 1: around covering Jerry long enough. Sometimes I think sometimes maybe
Speaker 1: Jerry's just talking, you know, and some of it is
Speaker 1: like in a way, he's kind of propping up the
Speaker 1: staff and talking about how this is this organization where
Speaker 1: guys want to stay and continue building their resume and
Speaker 1: and we've got a great staff. We're gonna build on that.
Speaker 1: I mean, he did talk the week before about how
Speaker 1: he and Mike and d he and Mike working together
Speaker 1: to bring back dan Quinn. So it is a little
Speaker 1: bit of a different messaging. I think we all can
Speaker 1: agree that Mike and the staff, they're under pressure this season.
Speaker 1: I mean, and what's interesting about it is this, this
Speaker 1: team is going to be different. This team may not
Speaker 1: be as talented, may not be as deep, probably a
Speaker 1: tougher schedule on paper, But I don't think Jerry cares
Speaker 1: about that. Jerry looks at it like I'm I've got
Speaker 1: a franchise quarterback that I'm paying one hundred what is it,
Speaker 1: sixty million bucks? You know, We've got two of the
Speaker 1: best young defensive players on defense, got a great staff,
Speaker 1: like he expects to win, and Mike is in charge
Speaker 1: of that. And that's I mean, there's the frustration has
Speaker 1: been building, uh and you you've seen it slowly, but
Speaker 1: showly or shortly over the over the course of the
Speaker 1: offensive slumps, and just the interviews were just leading up
Speaker 1: to that, and and and just going kind of away
Speaker 1: from dan Quinn even I think it was back to
Speaker 1: something that Steven Jones said about bringing back Kellen Moore,
Speaker 1: Kelly Moore possibly leaving uh that you know, Mike McCarthy's
Speaker 1: called offensive plays, called it plays his whole career, So
Speaker 1: let's not think of this guy as a you know,
Speaker 1: a lame He could call the plays he's done at
Speaker 1: the championship level. So to have the whole staff back, um,
Speaker 1: I think that looking for I guess we're trying to
Speaker 1: dissect the words to say what they mean. I think
Speaker 1: for this team to have all of their coaches coaching
Speaker 1: back should be a good thing, even if your physical
Speaker 1: team the numbers those guys are not going to be here.
Speaker 1: I think dan Quinn knows the kind of players that
Speaker 1: he is looking for, and he built this foster on
Speaker 1: the other side with bringing in those free agents. I
Speaker 1: think he can go back and do it again. And
Speaker 1: the advantage that he has over other coaches that he's
Speaker 1: been the head coach and he's scouted a lot of
Speaker 1: these guys, so he knows them. I think for Kellen Moore.
Speaker 1: I think a year another year with Dak and understanding, look,
Speaker 1: how do we not have a lull in our season?
Speaker 1: The way that we did offensively is gonna bolde well
Speaker 1: for him. So just all the lip service and everything
Speaker 1: that's gone out, I think we can dive through the
Speaker 1: minutia of it. But seriously, it's a good thing for
Speaker 1: us to have all of our coaches back. It's a
Speaker 1: great thing, honestly. And keeping one thing out there that
Speaker 1: we haven't talked about is Kellen Moore not hired for
Speaker 1: that Miami job that he was a finalist for a
Speaker 1: lot of Cowboys Nation was excited for the fact that
Speaker 1: maybe see something new on the offensive side in terms
Speaker 1: of the coaches want to change in people's life one
Speaker 1: year a couple months. Yeah, that's also fair. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean from the number standpoint, do you guys not agree
Speaker 1: that having Kellen Moore back is a good thing. It's
Speaker 1: an interesting discussion because it kind of goes back to
Speaker 1: not only Kellen's the job he did, but just the
Speaker 1: offense as a whole. If you look at the stats,
Speaker 1: you're like, man number one in total yard, it's number
Speaker 1: one in scoring. Oh my gosh, it's all his talent,
Speaker 1: the eye test showed it wasn't as good down the stretch.
Speaker 1: It just wasn't. So so that being said, I mean,
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore's thirty three years old, and he does he
Speaker 1: does have a lot of great ideas. I think to
Speaker 1: say he can't get better as a play caller, I
Speaker 1: think is wrong to say that. To say that he
Speaker 1: can improve and needs to improve, I think that's definitely
Speaker 1: something that they need to look at. There's things they
Speaker 1: got to tweak. Offensively. This was his third seasons the
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator. Yes, going into his fourth season. Now, that's
Speaker 1: the thing. He doesn't have a lot of experience as
Speaker 1: a coach period. This is his mid year as a
Speaker 1: coach period. Yes, he was a quarterbacks coach for what
Speaker 1: a year? One year, then he was the offensive coordinator.
Speaker 1: So that's that could be encouraging, But I think there's
Speaker 1: a level of frustration as well with Kellen specifically because
Speaker 1: the ceiling was there. But then as soon as you
Speaker 1: went up against the coaching staff that had either a
Speaker 1: talented coordinator or just a talented defense in general, Kellen
Speaker 1: Moore didn't have an answer, And that's what ultimately happened
Speaker 1: in the playoff game. You got into the forty nine
Speaker 1: Ers game and Kyle Shanahan's defense was there ready to roll.
Speaker 1: And it also happened in the Cardinals game, and it
Speaker 1: also happened in the Raiders game, and it also happened
Speaker 1: in the Chiefs game. Every time you went up against
Speaker 1: a talented defense, you were out coached and outplayed. And
Speaker 1: that's something that I think Cowboys Nation wanted to see
Speaker 1: improved upon, whether that was by a veteran offensive coordinator
Speaker 1: coming in here or Kellen Moore needs to take that
Speaker 1: next step, So I think there's extra pressure on him
Speaker 1: to do so as well. Well. I mean, and I
Speaker 1: don't know, like, do you believe that the pet peeve
Speaker 1: is is that he did not find the mismatches for
Speaker 1: him from his offense to defense. I mean there are
Speaker 1: several pet peevesize that weapons exactly, just not utilizing the
Speaker 1: weapons and not taking advantage of the mismatches. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: feel like there's a lot of pet peeves, you know,
Speaker 1: see your point. I think that one that stands out
Speaker 1: for me is just his lack there of ability or
Speaker 1: willingness to get his weapons to ball. There's just zero
Speaker 1: excuse to have a roster that stacked offensively to not
Speaker 1: get your guys to ball because there's teams that are
Speaker 1: doing doing a lot more with a lot less in
Speaker 1: terms of playmaking ability at that point of the season.
Speaker 1: But I know, to be fair, you know, I think
Speaker 1: Kelly Moore has a bright future. I really do. I
Speaker 1: don't foresee him as a head coach at this point
Speaker 1: in time in his career. That's why I mentioned not
Speaker 1: and even though he was doing interviews, I didn't think
Speaker 1: there's a chance he was leaving. But I think that
Speaker 1: he has a lot of growth left as office a coordinator.
Speaker 1: He's obviously done a great job to date, but there's
Speaker 1: still some gaping holes. Connor Williams has more playing experience
Speaker 1: in years and than he does Kelly Moore does as coaching,
Speaker 1: so look at it from that perspective. He's still very young,
Speaker 1: very young as a coach. He's going up against guys
Speaker 1: who have been coaching for twenty plus years, you know,
Speaker 1: with the experience. So he has a lot of growth
Speaker 1: and I think he will get better. He will get
Speaker 1: better in the red zone, he will get better with
Speaker 1: utilizing his guys. He will get better with you know,
Speaker 1: with being diverse throughout the whole season instead of emptying
Speaker 1: his bag early on because he's so excited like most
Speaker 1: kids do, right, most kids get other toys and what
Speaker 1: do they want to do? Put them all out? And
Speaker 1: I played with him and then the excitement's gone. That's
Speaker 1: what he just did. He had a whole bunch of
Speaker 1: toys that he had, you know, offensively, he poured it
Speaker 1: all out and he played with him in the first
Speaker 1: half of the season. Then the second half was just like,
Speaker 1: I don't know what to do now, you know. So
Speaker 1: that's what he did. So that's maturity, that's and that's
Speaker 1: all gonna come with growth. I think he's gonna be
Speaker 1: perfectly fine. I think he's gonna This offense is gonna
Speaker 1: be amazing again, regardless of who leaves or who comes.
Speaker 1: There's gonna be a lot of that too coming up
Speaker 1: that we probably gonna have to address, but I think
Speaker 1: he'll find a way. Now, just to add to your
Speaker 1: point before we go to our second break, but look
Speaker 1: at the two teams in the Super Bowl right now,
Speaker 1: you would you would agree that the weapons for Cincinnati
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase Higgins, right, Yeah, nineteen total combined targets and
Speaker 1: that AFC Championship game against Kansas City. And by the way,
Speaker 1: Kansas City twenty one combined target it's between Travis Kelsey
Speaker 1: and Tyreek Hill more so than the entire rest of
Speaker 1: the roster combined. LA in the Super Bowl twenty five
Speaker 1: targets for Cooper Cup and Odell Beckham Junior. Twenty five
Speaker 1: between the two out of forty five total passes. And
Speaker 1: you know where the ball is going. It's going, see
Speaker 1: right to Cooper's Cup and he has eleven receptions and yards. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then instead it was Dalton Shultz, Cedric Wilson, nowhere
Speaker 1: Brown on a couple of occasions. It's funny, he said
Speaker 1: that because every time I try to like explain what
Speaker 1: happened to this offense, I just see that bright orange
Speaker 1: in my face and it states the Cincinnati Bengals. It's
Speaker 1: the charts. Yeah. Well, like you just said, they find
Speaker 1: a way to get to mar Chase the ball. They
Speaker 1: couldn't run the ball against Kansas City. Didn't matter, I've
Speaker 1: been I'm talking about this running game. They got to
Speaker 1: get it going. LA didn't met against San Francisco, but
Speaker 1: they still found the way to get the ball to
Speaker 1: Cooper Cup and Odell Beckham junior. Jodel Beckham Junior hadn't
Speaker 1: had a hundred yard receiving game since what twenty nineteen
Speaker 1: or something like that. Joe Burrow does not have an
Speaker 1: offensive line that's top in the league, and he's still
Speaker 1: finding a way. Now, maybe they're a huge aberration. Like
Speaker 1: I still think those are reasons why the offense struggled
Speaker 1: from a personnel standpoint exception, not the rule. But Kellen
Speaker 1: Moore as a play caller, you the best play callers
Speaker 1: find a way to mass those those deficiencies. And I
Speaker 1: think Mike McCarthy too, like part of his evaluation. I'm
Speaker 1: sure like he's he is the head coach, and he
Speaker 1: delegates to his coordinators. He's offensive minded. He has been
Speaker 1: a play caller for years and years and years, and
Speaker 1: I don't know how how involved he is with with Kellen.
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Speaker 1: he needs to be a little more uh you know,
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Speaker 1: I'm just spitballing here, but I think that's part of
Speaker 1: something maybe Mike can do more next year, especially to
Speaker 1: try to solve some of the adjustments that defense we're
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Speaker 1: three guys that you want to see back on the
Speaker 1: Cowboys this year that are expiring contracts, Rob, could you
Speaker 1: run down a list of guys that are not necessarily
Speaker 1: under contract heading into twenty twenty two? Most time we
Speaker 1: go all right, uh, Corey Clement, Noah Brown, Michael Gallup,
Speaker 1: Malik Turner, Cedric Wilson, Dalton Schultze, Jeremy Sprinkle, Tian Secky
Speaker 1: Connor Williams, Dawrence Armstrong, Randy Gregory, Justin Hamilton, Brent Urban,
Speaker 1: Carlos Watkins, count O'Neil Layton, Vander Esch, Maurice Kennedy, Malee Cooker,
Speaker 1: Demante Casey, jay Ron Curse, Brian Anger, and Jake McQuaid.
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna add Maury Cooper and DeMarcus Lawrence to
Speaker 1: that list as well. They're both in that list at
Speaker 1: the same time. Just because there are rumors out there
Speaker 1: doesn't mean there's anything grounded in those rumors, but since
Speaker 1: they're out there, I want to throw that out there
Speaker 1: as well. So basically, from this point, you have three
Speaker 1: names out of that list that you need to give me,
Speaker 1: including DeMarcus Lawrence and Amari Cooper, and you've got to
Speaker 1: keep three guys out of that. That's it. That's all
Speaker 1: you get. Okay, we'll start with you. I got two.
Speaker 1: I'm going with Brian Anger number one, Michael Gallup number two.
Speaker 1: The punter is number one. Absolutely, dude, he was a weapon.
Speaker 1: I know he was one of the best players on
Speaker 1: the team. Still a punter, one of the best players
Speaker 1: on the team this year. Uh. And then for number three,
Speaker 1: dang it, man Cursey. So now you've got a thing
Speaker 1: I want to go. I think I'm going Persey or
Speaker 1: people are gonna hate me. Urban Runde. Yeah, big body
Speaker 1: in the middle him this year. I agree, we missed
Speaker 1: him a lot. And so you just cut a Mark Cooper.
Speaker 1: I did not cut, But I'm saying order of importance
Speaker 1: can order of importance? Now? Do we need Coop? Absolutely?
Speaker 1: We need Coop? Do we need d Law? I think
Speaker 1: we can do do without d Law for that. For
Speaker 1: what he's getting paid, Okay, I do believe that. I
Speaker 1: think I do think he's a huge contributor to this team,
Speaker 1: you know, obviously as a leader and effort and all
Speaker 1: that jazz. But I don't think that his performance yields
Speaker 1: what he's getting paid. So I think that you can
Speaker 1: find somebody else to do what he does. So wouldn't
Speaker 1: it the same thing be applied to Cooper If the
Speaker 1: Cooper isn't I feel like Cooper is a more dominant
Speaker 1: player when the opportunities are presented to him, But if
Speaker 1: the play caller isn't, if he has to figure that out, right,
Speaker 1: But d Law doesn't need a play caller to make play. Gotcha.
Speaker 1: Those guys are a little different though, because you don't
Speaker 1: have to touch you don't do anything with their contract.
Speaker 1: I mean you could try to, you know, restructure a
Speaker 1: deal or something, but they're under a contract. These guys,
Speaker 1: you have to find a way to make money and
Speaker 1: bring them back. Sure, find money and bring them back.
Speaker 1: I just think you're crazy. I'm not gonna lie. That's
Speaker 1: Brian Anger up at the top right, top three. It
Speaker 1: was a great player, but the top player on that list,
Speaker 1: Brian Anger is one of the most important players on
Speaker 1: this team. Give me j RN Curse, Randy Gregory, and
Speaker 1: a Marie Cooper. If we're gonna throw Cooper in there,
Speaker 1: those are my three I had Anger, not including Cooper
Speaker 1: or Tank. But as part of this conversation, sure, but
Speaker 1: but I mean the problem with that is, like to
Speaker 1: your point, there, if the if the new league gears
Speaker 1: started today, they'd be over the cap. And and that's
Speaker 1: just with the guys that are under contract for twenty
Speaker 1: twenty two. And there's a ton of guys. Yeah, no draft,
Speaker 1: which is like ten million of your cap, so they
Speaker 1: have to find room. I just, are you a better
Speaker 1: team by cutting a Marie Cooper? I just I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't see it. I don't, I don't see it. Um,
Speaker 1: But again, where's the money coming from that? That's the question.
Speaker 1: And now you're gonna restructure Dack's deal that was part
Speaker 1: of that's a planned but um, they're gonna have to
Speaker 1: find some money somewhere. So to your point, it's not
Speaker 1: crazy to talk about that, you know, is there anything?
Speaker 1: And I promise we're gonna get to you wrong. I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess if we're including those guys, i'd have to
Speaker 1: include Mari in there. Um, so I would say, Mari, Randy,
Speaker 1: and I bring back Ron Curse if I can. How
Speaker 1: much is there supposed to be a jump in the cap?
Speaker 1: Do you know I expected or is it supposed to
Speaker 1: say relatively similar? It's no, it's up way up from
Speaker 1: last year. It's like two oh eight something like that. Okay,
Speaker 1: so a decent bump that could potentially help, but even
Speaker 1: then you can't really necessarily do anything until the tag
Speaker 1: deadline March eighth, March fourteenth. Got ye, Man, I am
Speaker 1: going to go Hooker because we haven't had a free
Speaker 1: safety around here in a very long time, so I'm
Speaker 1: gonna try and keep him. I am definitely doing everything
Speaker 1: that I can to Hooker would be a discount double
Speaker 1: check too exactly. We need go free safeties. Yeah, obviously
Speaker 1: we're going to go into the draft looking for one
Speaker 1: as well, but I'm just saying Hooker, I'm definitely wanting
Speaker 1: to keep. Oh man, this is curse. He's high up there.
Speaker 1: I should have started with Curse because he's higher up
Speaker 1: there for me. So curse Hooker, and I gotta keep
Speaker 1: an edge. So I'm gonna go with Randy Gregory. Okay,
Speaker 1: if we're especially if we're gonna if we're even thinking
Speaker 1: about Lytton Tank go, We've got to keep. So do
Speaker 1: you think Amari Cooper is replaceable or is that just
Speaker 1: a cap casually that you got to live with at
Speaker 1: some point. The way that I look at is that
Speaker 1: we're not using Amari Cooper. He hasn't. I mean, and
Speaker 1: then when we have or and then we're now we're
Speaker 1: getting into health and all of those things, and it
Speaker 1: just seems to be can we get put him in
Speaker 1: a situation to where he becomes that thirteen hundred fourteen
Speaker 1: hundred yard receiver and I don't think that Kelly Moore
Speaker 1: is gonna use him that way, and people are just
Speaker 1: gonna be pissed off about the way that we use him.
Speaker 1: I think that defensive defenses have figured out a way
Speaker 1: to bracket him and Dak will not even look in
Speaker 1: his direction. And if we're gonna go back to that
Speaker 1: another year, I just don't want to see us waste
Speaker 1: that asset. The other side of that, too, is um
Speaker 1: to piggyback on that is sometimes you have to make
Speaker 1: those decisions with the app and you draft. When you
Speaker 1: draft Ceedee Lamb seventeenth overall, like part of the trajectory
Speaker 1: is there is that Ceedee Lamb's a one. He's a
Speaker 1: one receiver at something by the third year in his career.
Speaker 1: So well, I mean, I'm just saying if they were
Speaker 1: to make that decision, that would be part of the
Speaker 1: thinking of was like, well, we have a number one
Speaker 1: on our team and that's that's what that's what he's
Speaker 1: got to be in twenty twenty two. So do we
Speaker 1: all believe that Amari Cooper is worth his salary? He's
Speaker 1: just not being utilized, Yes, to take advantage? Yes, I would. Ye,
Speaker 1: I'm on that because you need to allow him to
Speaker 1: be that twenty million dollars a year receiver and he's
Speaker 1: sitting on the shelf. It's like buying a Lambeau and
Speaker 1: parking it in the garage. Drive yeah, or drive it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's got a whole other gears. Bro. Yeah, exactly. I
Speaker 1: just hate I didn't hate that for him because I
Speaker 1: just hate that for him because he's capable. He wants it, sure,
Speaker 1: but they're not giving it to him. No, So you're
Speaker 1: gonna fire a man because he's not because you're unwilling
Speaker 1: to give him the ball. And that to me, like,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that obviously, I'm just projecting what may happen.
Speaker 1: But this in a conversation that you're that they're possibly
Speaker 1: looking at firing Amari Cooper because they are unwilling to
Speaker 1: give him the ball the way in which they told
Speaker 1: him they were going to give him the ball when
Speaker 1: they signed a contract, he's not being utilized. One thing
Speaker 1: here that just blows welcome to the NFL people. What
Speaker 1: great receiver though in the NFL was in a situation
Speaker 1: like that where he wasn't being utilized to a certain extent.
Speaker 1: And you're saying give him the ball, give him the ball,
Speaker 1: which big time wide receiver ever said, Oh, I just
Speaker 1: wish they would give me the ball and didn't go
Speaker 1: out and take it. That's my thing. Is he like,
Speaker 1: is there a chance that he could step something up
Speaker 1: to allow him to be utilized in a better way?
Speaker 1: Too used to say that's when I'm puss in the
Speaker 1: locker room. I can't throw it and catch it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know there's same aspect to that this year, but
Speaker 1: he didn't say it until like what week six? Ye
Speaker 1: I mean, but that is that's not a that's a character.
Speaker 1: That's gonna be a respect that's I'm saying, that's his
Speaker 1: way of being respectful. So we can't come out a
Speaker 1: man and say, well, you're not being like you're not
Speaker 1: being like t O, You're not being like you're not
Speaker 1: being like Odell Beckham, You're not being like you know like,
Speaker 1: So their personality differences but in terms of his capability
Speaker 1: and his production, it is there. Nobody has questions about that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: give him the dog and ball. I mean what should
Speaker 1: you give him the ball? To think about? How this
Speaker 1: offense changed once he came on anyway, I mean it
Speaker 1: was night and day from where we were. And I
Speaker 1: think the one thing that that worries me and I
Speaker 1: just gotta get this out, is do I see Ceedee
Speaker 1: Lamb as a number one receiver. I think we've had
Speaker 1: those games, maybe Kansas City games where him and Gallop
Speaker 1: were the only receivers we had and we did the
Speaker 1: production just wasn't he agree? And like he was a
Speaker 1: thousand yard receiver? But I think he left plays on
Speaker 1: the field, you know, And I don't think it was
Speaker 1: as dominant as maybe we thought it would be when
Speaker 1: you watch him in training camp. I'm just saying sometimes
Speaker 1: with roster building, you got to make those decisions. Times
Speaker 1: can't have everything and hey, it's his time to step up.
Speaker 1: That that's what you would have to do if you
Speaker 1: were to move on from a mark. Let's look at
Speaker 1: it this way. If you had to make a decision
Speaker 1: between having Coop back or d lawback, who you pick him?
Speaker 1: Coop Coop Yep, easy Coop as much as I hate
Speaker 1: means a lot to this defense, as much as I
Speaker 1: would hate both of that, And I think Coop means
Speaker 1: a lot to this offense. No, I agree, like the thing,
Speaker 1: the thing that they have to fix the most, I
Speaker 1: think is the offense and taking him off this team.
Speaker 1: I don't know how you're better. And Michael Gallup is
Speaker 1: he ready for the start of next season? I would
Speaker 1: love to have him back, but is he going to
Speaker 1: be healthy and ready to go? From the ACL? Is
Speaker 1: Cedric Wilson gonna get too much money from somebody else
Speaker 1: and gets a deal that everybody's like, wow, wow, people
Speaker 1: really thought a lot about him. Yeah, you know, if
Speaker 1: you then what's your receiver corps look like? If you
Speaker 1: go out and you cut Amari Cooper, to me, that
Speaker 1: says that you want to extend your potential winning window.
Speaker 1: Whereas if you keep Amari Cooper, that is when, now,
Speaker 1: let's win any way we possibly can and we'll figure
Speaker 1: it out later. If you keep a Marie Cooper, that's
Speaker 1: a conversation with Cole Moore. Oh, it's gotta be it
Speaker 1: gets conversation either. I mean, I mean, I'm saying that's
Speaker 1: that's a it's the other wars the reason why he's
Speaker 1: like getting the ball. Could we just say that blatant week?
Speaker 1: But if he's cut, I think they save twenty million dollars.
Speaker 1: And for twenty million dollars you get, you can get Cooper,
Speaker 1: you can get the guys that we're talking about. I
Speaker 1: mean with that twenty million, so I mean it's one
Speaker 1: guy that you could bring in three. I mean, we're
Speaker 1: talking about salary cap problems and this team isn't gonna
Speaker 1: look at the same so you're gonna have to scientifically
Speaker 1: put things like that. It's what the Saint Saints are
Speaker 1: a good example. Last year, coming off a big season,
Speaker 1: they didn't want to let go of some of the
Speaker 1: guys they let go, but they just they had to
Speaker 1: because they were so far over the cap. And look,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys can do other things. They can restructure a
Speaker 1: bunch of guys and kick the can down the road
Speaker 1: all damn day long if they want to. But at
Speaker 1: some point you don't want to keep doing that. It's
Speaker 1: gonna catch up to him at some point, not to
Speaker 1: every contract. All right, that's gonna do it for us
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