WEBVTT - #72 - Drag-On 0:00:03.920 --> 0:00:08.360 Alright, hey, welcome to the bouleg Cavs show Man. Hope 0:00:08.360 --> 0:00:12.080 everyone is enjoying their evening, etc. Whatever time of day 0:00:12.080 --> 0:00:14.520 you're listening to this shit. All right, hey, listen, we 0:00:14.600 --> 0:00:17.560 got a dope episode with dragon Man Rough Riders own 0:00:17.640 --> 0:00:20.639 the legendary drag On. If you grew up like me 0:00:20.720 --> 0:00:24.960 listening to DMX, listening to just Rough Riders, those compilations album, 0:00:25.440 --> 0:00:28.319 you know all about drag Man. Drag was like, he 0:00:28.480 --> 0:00:31.320 was like the proof that Eminem's proof. You know how 0:00:31.400 --> 0:00:34.560 proof is? What the fuck am I trying to say? 0:00:35.600 --> 0:00:41.800 He was the proof to DMX is Eminem, you know 0:00:41.840 --> 0:00:44.960 what I mean? Shout out to drag Man, all right, listen, 0:00:45.440 --> 0:00:47.800 had a dope conversation with him. 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So you just put your first album out 0:02:04.200 --> 0:02:08.799 in how many years? My last album was Held Him Back? 0:02:08.840 --> 0:02:11.520 So I think that drive in three or Old four, 0:02:11.800 --> 0:02:15.799 So that was my last album. So that's almost twenty years. Yeah, 0:02:15.840 --> 0:02:19.399 twenty years, because I mean it's close to twenty Why why, 0:02:19.400 --> 0:02:21.440 like what happened? What has been going on with you? Like, 0:02:21.480 --> 0:02:25.359 why has it taken that long to put a project out? Man? Well? 0:02:25.760 --> 0:02:29.919 And oh six, no, oh seven? Eight, I had to 0:02:29.960 --> 0:02:32.160 get my releasement for more for roth Riders. So I 0:02:32.200 --> 0:02:35.000 finally got my releasement, but it took me years to 0:02:35.080 --> 0:02:37.320 fight them to really get out of my contract with that. 0:02:37.480 --> 0:02:40.640 And then and then by the time I got out 0:02:40.680 --> 0:02:43.960 of my contract and eight, I had my daughter, me 0:02:44.200 --> 0:02:46.400 going back and forth with lawyers and stuff like that. 0:02:46.400 --> 0:02:50.120 Trying to get out of my contract. Made me go broke. Yeah, 0:02:50.280 --> 0:02:53.440 I went, I went broke. I was twisted. My baby 0:02:53.440 --> 0:02:55.280 mom was taking care of me for the first two 0:02:55.320 --> 0:02:58.239 three years and I mean get oh, I mean and 0:02:58.360 --> 0:03:03.000 uh then that for that uh I mean, uh, it 0:03:03.080 --> 0:03:05.280 took me a while just to really start generating some 0:03:05.320 --> 0:03:07.680 money again, world what I'm saying. So that was like 0:03:07.720 --> 0:03:11.320 a real setback. Cause now I don't use all my 0:03:11.360 --> 0:03:13.200 money to get out of my contract. But it wasn't 0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:16.400 like I had other deals on the table right my 0:03:16.520 --> 0:03:19.160 daughter now, which is on the table now. So I 0:03:19.480 --> 0:03:21.840 me do with me just dealing with that and you know, 0:03:22.080 --> 0:03:25.720 but by the same time in O six, I started 0:03:26.320 --> 0:03:28.480 my company hood environment that I'm putting out on my 0:03:28.560 --> 0:03:31.400 music on now. It just took ten years for everybody 0:03:31.400 --> 0:03:33.200 to catch on, cause people didn't catch on to it 0:03:33.280 --> 0:03:35.840 til like two thousand fifteen, two thousand six m and 0:03:35.880 --> 0:03:37.840 then people started catching on to what I'm doing and 0:03:37.840 --> 0:03:40.040 stuff like that. But you know, it's just been the 0:03:40.040 --> 0:03:42.240 grind world in cause I was doing the real and 0:03:42.560 --> 0:03:45.960 then everything out of the pocket. Yeah, I think it's dope, 0:03:46.080 --> 0:03:48.280 like for you to be so transparent with that because 0:03:48.320 --> 0:03:51.400 I feel like a lot of people they might see 0:03:52.480 --> 0:03:54.840 rappers and think, well, you know, this guy was on 0:03:54.960 --> 0:03:57.120 Rough Riders, he had a deal, he had two major 0:03:57.120 --> 0:04:01.440 o uh major uh label releases and and uh you 0:04:01.480 --> 0:04:07.200 know sometimes like a lot of times, rather like you're 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:13.120 like like it's it's it's hard to get really really 0:04:13.240 --> 0:04:16.280 rich off a rap, you know what I'm saying, Like 0:04:16.320 --> 0:04:18.960 you might get in advance, but you're obviously gonna spend that, 0:04:19.120 --> 0:04:21.880 and then once that's spend, it's like, you know, So, 0:04:21.880 --> 0:04:23.719 So I think that's dope because a lot of people 0:04:23.720 --> 0:04:25.360 got to understand both sides of the coin. You know 0:04:25.400 --> 0:04:28.320 what I'm saying, Like the end of the day, everyone's 0:04:28.320 --> 0:04:31.159 bills need to get paid. That's right. Everyone bills got 0:04:31.160 --> 0:04:36.400 to get paid. Everybody is parents now say so, you know, 0:04:37.160 --> 0:04:39.840 and everybody got responsibilities at the end of the day, 0:04:39.920 --> 0:04:42.599 you know what I'm saying. So you know, it was 0:04:42.640 --> 0:04:45.360 a real grind for me world because I already had 0:04:45.400 --> 0:04:47.120 too much bread and then I was trying my best 0:04:47.160 --> 0:04:50.040 not to go back to the street and stuff like that, 0:04:50.160 --> 0:04:53.200 and then eventually I eventually had to go back to 0:04:53.279 --> 0:04:55.120 hustling on the street, you know what I'm saying. So 0:04:55.279 --> 0:04:57.880 you know, I was using that money to bring myself 0:04:57.920 --> 0:05:00.000 back into the forefront. It took a couple of years. 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:03.520 It's because my career was pretty much over and five 0:05:03.839 --> 0:05:06.000 I would say, oh five or six, she was done. 0:05:06.440 --> 0:05:09.440 So you had to go back to get to putting 0:05:09.440 --> 0:05:16.200 your feet in the streets and you getting money that way. Damn, Yo, 0:05:16.279 --> 0:05:18.520 It's crazy because I always think of your story as 0:05:18.520 --> 0:05:21.560 like kind of like a what if. Like damn, like 0:05:21.960 --> 0:05:25.080 Rough Riders the hottest shit moving in music period, right, 0:05:25.200 --> 0:05:27.279 Like I went to the Hard Knock Life tour and 0:05:27.320 --> 0:05:30.680 I left before jay Z got on, Like I literally 0:05:30.720 --> 0:05:34.280 was there to see DMX. That was it. I was there. 0:05:34.520 --> 0:05:36.160 I think Jay did one song and me and my 0:05:36.200 --> 0:05:39.599 cousins left. I was thirteen maybe, but we're there for DMX. 0:05:40.080 --> 0:05:43.520 That was it, you know what I mean? But like 0:05:43.600 --> 0:05:50.040 you were like the perceived air apparent to the throne 0:05:50.040 --> 0:05:54.359 of rough riders. It was like you were on starking, 0:05:54.400 --> 0:05:57.720 Hell is hot, You're on flesh, my flesh. You were 0:05:57.760 --> 0:05:59.840 on the you know the rough riders call those rough 0:05:59.880 --> 0:06:04.280 Rider compilations were crazy like and it really felt like 0:06:04.640 --> 0:06:07.920 they were positioning you to be like, Okay, we got 0:06:07.920 --> 0:06:12.240 exes the flagship, but we but obviously we got to 0:06:12.279 --> 0:06:15.839 have some some young young guns as well. What what 0:06:16.040 --> 0:06:20.120 do you think went wrong in regards to your career 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:22.599 and maybe just the whole entire rough rider situation because 0:06:22.600 --> 0:06:24.840 it definitely there could have been worse situations for you 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:26.520 to be a part of it at that time, because 0:06:26.560 --> 0:06:30.040 at that time that was the that brand was scorching. Yeah, 0:06:30.240 --> 0:06:32.919 I mean you know, like what like what means that 0:06:33.000 --> 0:06:38.080 I had like a manager that was like fully behind me, 0:06:38.120 --> 0:06:44.719 you said, like I always shared with d MX. DMX 0:06:45.000 --> 0:06:47.880 was like a real protector for me. So I mean, 0:06:47.920 --> 0:06:51.360 you know, I mean, like his management. I had that management, 0:06:52.560 --> 0:06:56.240 his movie agents. I had those movie agents, like I 0:06:56.320 --> 0:07:00.880 never really had your own people. I'm going drag, right, 0:07:01.000 --> 0:07:02.520 just drag, you know what I'm saying. I never had 0:07:02.560 --> 0:07:04.640 a movie agent that was like, okay, I'm going hard 0:07:04.640 --> 0:07:08.800 for just drag our auditions for those parts because X 0:07:08.800 --> 0:07:11.800 put a good word in from me, like yo, I'm 0:07:11.800 --> 0:07:14.200 not gonna shoot this X one unless you use drag 0:07:14.280 --> 0:07:17.160 on as my brother. He looked like me, that's my homie. 0:07:17.200 --> 0:07:19.760 It makes sense. The BIBB is there, let's go. And 0:07:19.800 --> 0:07:22.440 that's how I got that right the next one. But yeah, 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:24.400 you know what I'm saying. But you know that's how 0:07:24.480 --> 0:07:26.320 I got that movie. Yeah, and then it led to 0:07:26.360 --> 0:07:28.200 another movie and stuff like that, you know what I mean. 0:07:28.240 --> 0:07:31.920 But the reason why that stops because I want something 0:07:31.960 --> 0:07:36.200 happened with him as far as Hollywood it's out. Yeah 0:07:36.320 --> 0:07:40.040 they yes, right, It wasn't like somebody else that could 0:07:40.040 --> 0:07:43.920 be like okay, dragons. Also, those agents, those managers, obviously 0:07:44.000 --> 0:07:45.880 DMX is gonna be their priority because at the time 0:07:45.880 --> 0:07:48.640 he's probably bringing in so much money, you know what 0:07:48.680 --> 0:07:51.400 I mean? What he what he sold thirty over probably 0:07:51.400 --> 0:07:53.720 over thirty million vers just in by himself. I don't know, 0:07:54.440 --> 0:07:57.600 it's crazy. I mean then, look, you did have a 0:07:57.640 --> 0:07:59.280 lot of people who we see come out of cruise 0:07:59.320 --> 0:08:01.600 that are you know, are big like that don't get 0:08:01.600 --> 0:08:04.440 the chance to put out two albums. We see a 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:06.640 lot of like people who are get signed. Like think 0:08:06.640 --> 0:08:08.440 about all the artists on Rough Riders have never even 0:08:08.480 --> 0:08:12.920 dropped an album. There was a lot like when I 0:08:12.960 --> 0:08:21.600 came to Roughriders, it was Casino big stand. Yeah, I 0:08:21.600 --> 0:08:23.840 gotta go back. I'll go back to like the Rough 0:08:23.920 --> 0:08:26.200 Riders like compilations and I see some of the artists. 0:08:26.520 --> 0:08:32.520 Was somebody named Parlay? Was this Parlay? Uh? There was 0:08:32.160 --> 0:08:36.079 a was there someone named I know remember young Bird 0:08:36.200 --> 0:08:39.080 when he was a kid? Was was uh? I remember 0:08:39.120 --> 0:08:42.640 when we first met Young Bird and extrap Young Bird 0:08:42.679 --> 0:08:47.600 on that was we met him on what these bitches 0:08:47.640 --> 0:08:51.960 want from that video set? Came through like a little kid, 0:08:52.720 --> 0:08:54.720 But I ain't go from he always like Young Bird 0:08:54.880 --> 0:08:57.679 was always like a boss, very talented kid man a 0:08:57.760 --> 0:09:01.240 little kid when he came through right, but his entourage 0:09:01.320 --> 0:09:05.200 he had like six different big who is this year? 0:09:05.920 --> 0:09:08.880 Like he always moved like a boss even before he 0:09:09.040 --> 0:09:10.720 was that. But that's one thing that I can vouch 0:09:10.720 --> 0:09:12.439 for that dude. He always was a boss as a 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:14.680 little kid. Still is man doing his thing. Hit shout 0:09:14.720 --> 0:09:18.640 out to hit maker man. He always like when I 0:09:18.720 --> 0:09:21.920 met him, he was like, I don't know eleven, but 0:09:22.320 --> 0:09:25.280 Boston it. He walked up on DMX with six big 0:09:25.360 --> 0:09:31.920 security guard like, what's up? That's crazy? Got cool. At 0:09:31.960 --> 0:09:36.560 the peak of the rough Rider ship, right you're on 0:09:36.679 --> 0:09:40.080 tour your I mean, ship has gotta be great. But 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:44.679 like what like, like what point in time did you, 0:09:44.720 --> 0:09:47.439 like do you remember vividly being like, oh, ship, we're 0:09:47.480 --> 0:09:51.040 like the hottest motherfuckers in the world because legit like 0:09:51.120 --> 0:09:55.080 rough Riders for like that run man, there was nothing. 0:09:55.400 --> 0:09:57.760 It was like all this puff daddy shit was happening 0:09:57.760 --> 0:10:00.920 and then boom, DMX came in, ripped all that ship 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:03.040 away and was like, nah, man, no more of that 0:10:03.120 --> 0:10:07.480 shiny suit ship. This's a whole new energy. Like what 0:10:07.520 --> 0:10:12.000 we did, we just made it fear for regular dudes 0:10:12.040 --> 0:10:14.880 on the street, like just regular dudes that just happened 0:10:14.920 --> 0:10:18.000 to be nice. We made it a big platform for 0:10:18.040 --> 0:10:20.680 them to be successful too. You don't necessarily gotta be 0:10:22.000 --> 0:10:24.160 fining around in the video and stuff like that. No, 0:10:24.280 --> 0:10:27.120 disrespect to the boy. I'm a big fan of that, 0:10:27.240 --> 0:10:29.360 of course, but no, but it was like you had 0:10:29.360 --> 0:10:32.480 that big budgets to those kind of videos to where 0:10:32.559 --> 0:10:35.720 we made it to where you can actually wear regular jeans, 0:10:34.960 --> 0:10:41.080 and they told the homies to come out. Yeah, obviously 0:10:41.160 --> 0:10:43.880 with X passing, man, I mean, share your thoughts, like, 0:10:43.960 --> 0:10:45.920 I like, where were you at? Like, you know, obviously 0:10:46.000 --> 0:10:48.600 you and X had a very close brother brotherhood, and 0:10:49.679 --> 0:10:51.480 you know, I mean that poster has been there since 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:54.120 before he passed. X. More of my all time favorites, 0:10:55.280 --> 0:10:58.760 you know. And I was ship that shit had me 0:10:58.840 --> 0:11:01.559 fucked up man driving through New York City having Hot 0:11:01.640 --> 0:11:04.640 ninety seven on and they're playing his ship and I'm like, 0:11:04.800 --> 0:11:08.160 damn man, Like, but but where were you when you 0:11:08.160 --> 0:11:11.480 found out about it? Man? I was in His family 0:11:11.559 --> 0:11:14.960 actually called me, you don't like it's actually blood family 0:11:15.040 --> 0:11:18.079 really called me, and it was like drag, you know 0:11:18.080 --> 0:11:19.760 what I mean. You know, we're about to take him 0:11:19.800 --> 0:11:22.120 off of the life support and stuff like that. So 0:11:22.160 --> 0:11:24.560 I kind of knew he passed away before a lot 0:11:24.559 --> 0:11:26.720 of people knew, you know, you know, like before the 0:11:26.760 --> 0:11:29.480 media knew, you know what I mean. So I was 0:11:29.480 --> 0:11:32.840 already hurt him down. You know what I'm saying, Yeah, 0:11:32.880 --> 0:11:36.040 it's rough man, cause it it felt like we saw 0:11:36.040 --> 0:11:38.920 that verses with Snoop, It felt like he was in 0:11:38.920 --> 0:11:42.760 such a good place. I love to see him. I 0:11:42.800 --> 0:11:44.480 love to see him with a belly because I was like, oh, 0:11:44.520 --> 0:11:47.320 he's eating good, you know what I mean? Like good 0:11:47.720 --> 0:11:50.920 and like the greatest part about that too, was that 0:11:51.679 --> 0:11:56.480 dmx is was always a Snoop Doggie Dog fan. Like 0:11:56.520 --> 0:11:58.680 when I was watching him versus and stuff like that, 0:11:58.679 --> 0:12:00.960 that's all I was thinking about him because I know 0:12:01.559 --> 0:12:04.000 the type of fan he is for Snoop. You know 0:12:04.040 --> 0:12:07.199 what I'm saying, Like he really respected like like Snoop Dog. 0:12:07.280 --> 0:12:09.319 He respect that dog. Right there, I ain't gonna fun. 0:12:09.360 --> 0:12:11.280 That's one person that he always was a fan of. 0:12:11.800 --> 0:12:13.599 So that's why we watched some of the verses, like 0:12:13.640 --> 0:12:15.160 some of the records that he put on. Did you 0:12:15.160 --> 0:12:17.080 see x get up like, oh hold on, this was 0:12:17.120 --> 0:12:20.160 my really was fun? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, that was real 0:12:20.360 --> 0:12:22.319 And that was actually like, oh snap, this is my 0:12:22.400 --> 0:12:24.959 joint right, I remember? That was your relationship with x 0:12:25.400 --> 0:12:27.480 uh Did you have one prior to the Rough Righters 0:12:27.520 --> 0:12:29.319 thing or did you like how how did you come 0:12:29.320 --> 0:12:31.439 into the fold. Were you like, like with him before 0:12:31.480 --> 0:12:36.600 the rough Riders or like explain your guys' history. Uh, well, 0:12:36.800 --> 0:12:38.480 D you know what I mean? You know, D the 0:12:38.640 --> 0:12:41.160 general is the one that put me on the map, 0:12:42.400 --> 0:12:47.960 the one that believed in me first before everybody. And 0:12:48.080 --> 0:12:52.079 he brung me up to the studio and and it 0:12:52.160 --> 0:12:54.199 was like to battle DM Max. But I didn't even 0:12:54.240 --> 0:12:56.280 know it was a battle because I never was battling 0:12:56.280 --> 0:12:58.160 at that time, you know what I'm saying. I found 0:12:58.240 --> 0:13:00.120 out very fast though, you know what I mean. As 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:02.240 soon as I got in there, boom, he was right there. 0:13:02.320 --> 0:13:05.000 They didn't quite waste any time too. I was like, 0:13:05.040 --> 0:13:06.640 I got there, what's up? What are you doing? Yo? 0:13:06.800 --> 0:13:11.120 Drag yo yo? Turn that beat on my quick boom 0:13:11.200 --> 0:13:13.480 and it was straight like that. And then he just 0:13:13.520 --> 0:13:16.960 started rapping, which was and then I'm listening to his 0:13:17.040 --> 0:13:20.760 floor and the style of delivering. I'm listening to all that. 0:13:20.840 --> 0:13:24.520 I'm like, Okay, this dude was incredible right here. But 0:13:24.720 --> 0:13:26.960 at that time I was so hungry, you find trying 0:13:26.960 --> 0:13:28.880 to say, so I still kept going back at him, 0:13:28.880 --> 0:13:31.040 back at him, back at the back, And next thing 0:13:31.080 --> 0:13:32.680 you know, a whole hour went bound. We were just 0:13:33.080 --> 0:13:36.480 back and forth, trading bars, and even though I lost 0:13:36.480 --> 0:13:39.400 that battle like the whole time. Yeah, I said, we 0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:41.760 probably battle four hour. I lost four hour, you know 0:13:41.760 --> 0:13:44.160 what I mean, But he respected it, like you know 0:13:44.200 --> 0:13:45.720 what I mean, you know, like to the max. Like 0:13:45.800 --> 0:13:48.640 he he just just like, you know what, I think, 0:13:48.679 --> 0:13:50.440 we're gonna keep this dude right here. I like this 0:13:50.520 --> 0:13:52.320 dude you gonna trying to say. And it was just 0:13:52.360 --> 0:13:54.080 something that he always said that was just in my 0:13:54.200 --> 0:14:00.360 eyes that reminded, uh uh that I always just minded 0:14:03.480 --> 0:14:06.480 me right right right right, Yeah, yeah, I think like 0:14:08.120 --> 0:14:10.160 you guys were it was It's almost like you guys 0:14:10.160 --> 0:14:12.679 were so synonymous with each other, you know what I mean. 0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:14.720 It was like, yo, you see DMX, you see Drag 0:14:14.880 --> 0:14:17.840 Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. I say, like like the 0:14:17.880 --> 0:14:21.200 whole Batman and Robin thing that was set up us 0:14:21.320 --> 0:14:25.160 our joint was actually genuine What year was that because 0:14:25.240 --> 0:14:28.320 obviously this was prior to his first album, So when 0:14:28.440 --> 0:14:31.840 like when was this? That was nineteen ninety seven, ninety seven, 0:14:32.280 --> 0:14:34.600 album came out in ninety eight, album came out in 0:14:34.680 --> 0:14:36.920 ninety eight. After that, you know what I mean, you know, 0:14:36.960 --> 0:14:39.120 like right after we battled, It's like me and him 0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:42.280 got super cool. So Or had bought a house in 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:45.400 North Carolina and sent us out there. So he worked 0:14:45.440 --> 0:14:47.600 on his first album and I worked on my first album. 0:14:47.680 --> 0:14:53.000 You know what I'm saying the opposite eight two oh yeah, 0:14:53.240 --> 0:14:54.960 at the same time with him in the house in 0:14:55.000 --> 0:14:57.360 North Carolina. While he was working on this shit in 0:14:57.400 --> 0:14:59.440 their room, I probably was in another room in my 0:14:59.520 --> 0:15:02.960 room was is working on my ship? Do you you know? 0:15:03.160 --> 0:15:07.520 There's so many profound songs on his first album. I 0:15:07.560 --> 0:15:12.680 think that Uh Damien is one that always sticks out 0:15:12.720 --> 0:15:14.800 to me as one of my favorites. That's one of 0:15:14.800 --> 0:15:17.280 the songs that he wrote in North Carolina with us 0:15:17.320 --> 0:15:19.240 in the house, and that's one of that's great. You 0:15:19.320 --> 0:15:20.520 said that in the world. I was like, he was 0:15:20.520 --> 0:15:24.120 actually just discussing that that's one of the fastest songs 0:15:24.320 --> 0:15:26.480 he wrote. He actually timed himself. He said, you know what, 0:15:26.520 --> 0:15:28.040 I'm gonna see how fast I could write. You know, 0:15:28.600 --> 0:15:31.640 I just wrote a song before that fast kind of fast, 0:15:32.280 --> 0:15:33.800 but didn't have the hook. He said, you know what, 0:15:34.000 --> 0:15:36.560 I think I could write even faster than that. And 0:15:36.640 --> 0:15:37.920 I mean because I think he had just knocked out 0:15:37.960 --> 0:15:39.480 a song with like two and a half hour's whole 0:15:39.480 --> 0:15:42.120 song boom, right, so he try to top that, and 0:15:42.160 --> 0:15:44.280 he topped it with Damien. He wrote Damien in an 0:15:44.320 --> 0:15:47.480 hour and a half Wow, hook and everything that that 0:15:47.560 --> 0:15:53.800 whole him playing two different people. Yeah, nah, that's X 0:15:53.880 --> 0:15:57.000 doing that. And he wrote both of those parts and everything. 0:15:58.760 --> 0:16:00.800 So you're you were in there while he's writing this, 0:16:01.000 --> 0:16:05.960 and uh no, But I'm curious because, like obviously him 0:16:06.080 --> 0:16:09.360 rapping from the perspective of the you know, the devil 0:16:09.400 --> 0:16:11.920 or whatever you wanna called Damien. You know, yod what's up? 0:16:12.000 --> 0:16:16.680 You are smooth? So like was like did he have 0:16:16.760 --> 0:16:18.960 the like like talk about the concept, Like how did 0:16:18.960 --> 0:16:20.640 he come up with that concept? Because if you guys 0:16:20.640 --> 0:16:22.840 were there, I mean, that's crazy. That's that's one of 0:16:22.840 --> 0:16:25.480 the crazier records on his first album. That like always 0:16:25.480 --> 0:16:28.680 just sticks out to me. Yeah, yeah, like that right there. 0:16:28.760 --> 0:16:32.000 That was something he was actually dealing with in life 0:16:32.000 --> 0:16:33.880 and reality, you know what I mean? That right there? 0:16:33.920 --> 0:16:35.880 So that was real FN, Like that was I'm telling you, 0:16:35.960 --> 0:16:38.880 that's the fastest record if because it always fell to 0:16:38.920 --> 0:16:41.720 me as a kid, not knowing any better. I always 0:16:41.720 --> 0:16:44.520 thought to myself, Damn DMX sold the soul to the 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:48.560 Devil and then Belly came out, and then the opening 0:16:48.680 --> 0:16:52.240 scene there's the Little Boy and he's quote shit from 0:16:52.320 --> 0:16:54.320 Damien and I was like, oh my god, he did 0:16:54.360 --> 0:16:58.200 sell this. This shit is crazy. Now. Mind you, I'm 0:16:58.200 --> 0:17:00.360 a grown adult now and I'm no better her. But 0:17:00.440 --> 0:17:03.040 like I really thought, I was like this motherfucker DMXI. 0:17:03.600 --> 0:17:06.960 He's really like you know what I'm saying. Like, so 0:17:07.040 --> 0:17:08.760 that was something he was like really battling with, just 0:17:08.840 --> 0:17:13.639 kind of like the battle with just just just what 0:17:13.760 --> 0:17:19.600 life generally like. He had a hard life. Yeah, so 0:17:19.680 --> 0:17:21.560 you know what I mean, you know, just falls him 0:17:21.600 --> 0:17:23.560 growing up as a kid and stuff like that. You 0:17:23.600 --> 0:17:25.679 know what I'm saying. He's really from the streets, so 0:17:25.720 --> 0:17:27.040 you know it's times he had to hold in the 0:17:27.080 --> 0:17:30.480 street and being a homeless and I've been homeless. There's 0:17:30.480 --> 0:17:33.240 a lot of artists that actually came into this game 0:17:33.359 --> 0:17:36.280 being homeless of course and having nothing to go to, 0:17:36.359 --> 0:17:37.600 you know what I'm saying. So that was some of 0:17:37.640 --> 0:17:40.960 the demons, you know what I'm saying that that you 0:17:41.040 --> 0:17:43.920 might be fighting. It might be something like like I'm 0:17:44.000 --> 0:17:48.280 hungry right now, and it's a lady and and that 0:17:48.320 --> 0:17:52.280 person looked real nice and I'm hungry right now, and 0:17:52.480 --> 0:17:55.840 I'm contemplating even though you're a good person, you might 0:17:55.880 --> 0:17:58.600 you might but you like I'm starving, Yeah, but you 0:17:58.680 --> 0:18:01.760 might have to make a hard decision. These are decisions 0:18:01.760 --> 0:18:04.560 that he had to deal with. So he was just 0:18:05.240 --> 0:18:07.680 he was just able to capture it, you know what 0:18:07.720 --> 0:18:09.440 I mean, you know and put it in his music. 0:18:09.560 --> 0:18:12.720 You know, I saw I watched the U the Rough 0:18:12.760 --> 0:18:16.119 Riders uh bt thing. Uh I figured what what what 0:18:16.160 --> 0:18:20.160 they call? I watched not not not the memorial the 0:18:20.160 --> 0:18:24.160 documentary the docu series they did. Was it last year? Yeah? Yeah, 0:18:24.200 --> 0:18:27.760 And I didn't realize that. Uh. It's crazy because Swiss 0:18:27.840 --> 0:18:32.080 coming up as a young guy in the camp, you know, 0:18:32.320 --> 0:18:35.200 with some favoritism because of the family situation. But there 0:18:35.280 --> 0:18:38.359 was like a some of the other producers kind of 0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:41.200 felt some type of way about Swiss's like a sentence 0:18:42.080 --> 0:18:45.560 in in you know, obviously Swiss is an all time 0:18:45.640 --> 0:18:49.600 great producer, Like how was how how was it being 0:18:49.680 --> 0:18:52.680 around Swiss early on before he was like a thing, 0:18:52.720 --> 0:18:55.240 because he became a thing real quick. His sound became 0:18:55.320 --> 0:18:59.639 very distinct, very fast and automatically. I think everyone just 0:18:59.680 --> 0:19:02.679 had was beats beats, But early on like you know, 0:19:02.720 --> 0:19:04.240 he was a kid, he was started off as a 0:19:04.280 --> 0:19:07.760 DJ obviously, but like, did you kind of always see 0:19:07.760 --> 0:19:11.800 that in Swiss? Like I was like at the time, 0:19:11.880 --> 0:19:14.040 I was just so busy working on my album. I was. 0:19:14.200 --> 0:19:16.000 I was just working on Opposite at age two. Well, 0:19:16.040 --> 0:19:18.000 I was trying my best to get beats from anybody, 0:19:18.160 --> 0:19:19.960 you know what I'm saying, trying to get some ship. 0:19:19.960 --> 0:19:22.480 The DMX didn't take. You probably got all the hot ship. Yeah, 0:19:22.520 --> 0:19:25.119 I was, I was. I was. I was actually trying 0:19:25.160 --> 0:19:31.919 to get beats from uh Swiss, p K Grease right an, 0:19:32.880 --> 0:19:34.320 you know what I'm saying. You know, like a lot 0:19:34.320 --> 0:19:35.919 of my stuff, I always work with a lot of 0:19:35.960 --> 0:19:38.040 up and coming producers. But that's what I just always 0:19:38.080 --> 0:19:40.920 was just focused on. I was just focused on that fire. 0:19:43.200 --> 0:19:50.159 The rough Rider compilations were very, very historic, and you 0:19:50.320 --> 0:19:52.760 had some of your I think some of your dopest 0:19:52.760 --> 0:19:57.800 moments on those. Uh what was it like like when 0:19:57.840 --> 0:20:00.439 you guys are making those compilations where they're record Like, 0:20:00.440 --> 0:20:02.800 would you guys like purposely go in and be like, Yo, 0:20:02.960 --> 0:20:06.760 we're working on Ride or Die Volume one, that's what 0:20:06.760 --> 0:20:10.080 we're working on. Or was it like, hey, look who's 0:20:10.080 --> 0:20:12.239 got extra records and everything I put together? Like how 0:20:12.320 --> 0:20:15.520 how did those songs come to be? You know what 0:20:15.560 --> 0:20:18.399 I mean? Like we are lay like we alay some 0:20:18.560 --> 0:20:21.480 records and stuff like that, and some records to make 0:20:21.520 --> 0:20:24.280 it there and some records to make it there, you'll say. 0:20:24.680 --> 0:20:26.359 So that's what it really was, Like a lot of 0:20:26.400 --> 0:20:29.880 people do it. The song with Me and juven Now 0:20:30.040 --> 0:20:33.679 was gonna be on my album it made it to 0:20:35.000 --> 0:20:36.600 and it might it might have should have been on 0:20:36.640 --> 0:20:39.960 that on your album because that would have been a single. Yeah, 0:20:40.160 --> 0:20:41.920 a lot of people say that, you know what I'm saying, 0:20:41.960 --> 0:20:44.280 But they wanted that look for that. So it was 0:20:44.359 --> 0:20:47.600 just like certain songs just where you know, I mean, 0:20:47.600 --> 0:20:49.480 you know, like wherever they wanted it to go, you 0:20:49.520 --> 0:20:52.000 know what I man me, My job is just writing 0:20:52.080 --> 0:20:54.760 and just trying to lay as more songs as possible. 0:20:55.160 --> 0:20:57.560 What was it like having the Locks be brought into 0:20:57.600 --> 0:21:00.240