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What the fuck am I trying to say? 10 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 1: He was the proof to DMX is Eminem, you know 11 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 1: what I mean? Shout out to drag Man, all right, listen, 12 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: had a dope conversation with him. Unfortunately, the audio got 13 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 1: a little fucked up. So if you noticed the audio 14 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 1: sounds a little weird, shit happens on our end. It's 15 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 1: all right. It's still still a good listen, so check 16 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: it out. Dragon talking about all kinds of shit, DMX 17 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 1: passing away obviously dope Rough Rider stories. Shout out to 18 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: our sponsors, though odd socks Man, those guys whoo much 19 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: love the odd socks. 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My last album was Held Him Back? 37 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 1: So I think that drive in three or Old four, 38 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:15,799 Speaker 1: So that was my last album. So that's almost twenty years. Yeah, 39 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:19,399 Speaker 1: twenty years, because I mean it's close to twenty Why why, 40 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 1: like what happened? What has been going on with you? Like, 41 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:25,359 Speaker 1: why has it taken that long to put a project out? Man? Well? 42 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:29,919 Speaker 1: And oh six, no, oh seven? Eight, I had to 43 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: get my releasement for more for roth Riders. So I 44 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: finally got my releasement, but it took me years to 45 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: fight them to really get out of my contract with that. 46 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 1: And then and then by the time I got out 47 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 1: of my contract and eight, I had my daughter, me 48 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 1: going back and forth with lawyers and stuff like that. 49 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 1: Trying to get out of my contract. Made me go broke. Yeah, 50 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 1: I went, I went broke. I was twisted. My baby 51 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 1: mom was taking care of me for the first two 52 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:58,239 Speaker 1: three years and I mean get oh, I mean and 53 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 1: uh then that for that uh I mean, uh, it 54 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 1: took me a while just to really start generating some 55 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 1: money again, world what I'm saying. So that was like 56 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: a real setback. Cause now I don't use all my 57 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: money to get out of my contract. But it wasn't 58 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 1: like I had other deals on the table right my 59 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: daughter now, which is on the table now. So I 60 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 1: me do with me just dealing with that and you know, 61 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 1: but by the same time in O six, I started 62 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: my company hood environment that I'm putting out on my 63 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 1: music on now. It just took ten years for everybody 64 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: to catch on, cause people didn't catch on to it 65 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 1: til like two thousand fifteen, two thousand six m and 66 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 1: then people started catching on to what I'm doing and 67 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: stuff like that. But you know, it's just been the 68 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: grind world in cause I was doing the real and 69 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 1: then everything out of the pocket. Yeah, I think it's dope, 70 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 1: like for you to be so transparent with that because 71 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of people they might see 72 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 1: rappers and think, well, you know, this guy was on 73 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 1: Rough Riders, he had a deal, he had two major 74 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 1: o uh major uh label releases and and uh you 75 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 1: know sometimes like a lot of times, rather like you're 76 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 1: like like it's it's it's hard to get really really 77 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:16,280 Speaker 1: rich off a rap, you know what I'm saying, Like 78 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: you might get in advance, but you're obviously gonna spend that, 79 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: and then once that's spend, it's like, you know, So, 80 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:23,719 Speaker 1: So I think that's dope because a lot of people 81 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 1: got to understand both sides of the coin. You know 82 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like the end of the day, everyone's 83 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:31,159 Speaker 1: bills need to get paid. That's right. Everyone bills got 84 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 1: to get paid. Everybody is parents now say so, you know, 85 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:39,840 Speaker 1: and everybody got responsibilities at the end of the day, 86 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So you know, it was 87 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 1: a real grind for me world because I already had 88 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 1: too much bread and then I was trying my best 89 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 1: not to go back to the street and stuff like that, 90 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: and then eventually I eventually had to go back to 91 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: hustling on the street, you know what I'm saying. So 92 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: you know, I was using that money to bring myself 93 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 1: back into the forefront. It took a couple of years. 94 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 1: It's because my career was pretty much over and five 95 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 1: I would say, oh five or six, she was done. 96 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: So you had to go back to get to putting 97 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 1: your feet in the streets and you getting money that way. Damn, Yo, 98 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 1: It's crazy because I always think of your story as 99 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: like kind of like a what if. Like damn, like 100 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 1: Rough Riders the hottest shit moving in music period, right, 101 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:27,279 Speaker 1: Like I went to the Hard Knock Life tour and 102 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 1: I left before jay Z got on, Like I literally 103 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:34,280 Speaker 1: was there to see DMX. That was it. I was there. 104 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:36,160 Speaker 1: I think Jay did one song and me and my 105 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:39,599 Speaker 1: cousins left. I was thirteen maybe, but we're there for DMX. 106 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 1: That was it, you know what I mean? But like 107 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 1: you were like the perceived air apparent to the throne 108 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:54,359 Speaker 1: of rough riders. It was like you were on starking, 109 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:57,720 Speaker 1: Hell is hot, You're on flesh, my flesh. You were 110 00:05:57,760 --> 00:05:59,840 Speaker 1: on the you know the rough riders call those rough 111 00:05:59,880 --> 00:06:04,280 Speaker 1: Rider compilations were crazy like and it really felt like 112 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 1: they were positioning you to be like, Okay, we got 113 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 1: exes the flagship, but we but obviously we got to 114 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 1: have some some young young guns as well. What what 115 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: do you think went wrong in regards to your career 116 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 1: and maybe just the whole entire rough rider situation because 117 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:24,840 Speaker 1: it definitely there could have been worse situations for you 118 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 1: to be a part of it at that time, because 119 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 1: at that time that was the that brand was scorching. Yeah, 120 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:32,919 Speaker 1: I mean you know, like what like what means that 121 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: I had like a manager that was like fully behind me, 122 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:44,719 Speaker 1: you said, like I always shared with d MX. DMX 123 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: was like a real protector for me. So I mean, 124 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, like his management. I had that management, 125 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: his movie agents. I had those movie agents, like I 126 00:06:56,320 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 1: never really had your own people. I'm going drag, right, 127 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 1: just drag, you know what I'm saying. I never had 128 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 1: a movie agent that was like, okay, I'm going hard 129 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 1: for just drag our auditions for those parts because X 130 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 1: put a good word in from me, like yo, I'm 131 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 1: not gonna shoot this X one unless you use drag 132 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: on as my brother. He looked like me, that's my homie. 133 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 1: It makes sense. The BIBB is there, let's go. And 134 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: that's how I got that right the next one. But yeah, 135 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But you know that's how 136 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: I got that movie. Yeah, and then it led to 137 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 1: another movie and stuff like that, you know what I mean. 138 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 1: But the reason why that stops because I want something 139 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: happened with him as far as Hollywood it's out. Yeah 140 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: they yes, right, It wasn't like somebody else that could 141 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 1: be like okay, dragons. Also, those agents, those managers, obviously 142 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 1: DMX is gonna be their priority because at the time 143 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 1: he's probably bringing in so much money, you know what 144 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 1: I mean? What he what he sold thirty over probably 145 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 1: over thirty million vers just in by himself. I don't know, 146 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: it's crazy. I mean then, look, you did have a 147 00:07:57,640 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 1: lot of people who we see come out of cruise 148 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 1: that are you know, are big like that don't get 149 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 1: the chance to put out two albums. We see a 150 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: lot of like people who are get signed. Like think 151 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 1: about all the artists on Rough Riders have never even 152 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 1: dropped an album. There was a lot like when I 153 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 1: came to Roughriders, it was Casino big stand. Yeah, I 154 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 1: gotta go back. I'll go back to like the Rough 155 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 1: Riders like compilations and I see some of the artists. 156 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: Was somebody named Parlay? Was this Parlay? Uh? There was 157 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:36,079 Speaker 1: a was there someone named I know remember young Bird 158 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 1: when he was a kid? Was was uh? I remember 159 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 1: when we first met Young Bird and extrap Young Bird 160 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 1: on that was we met him on what these bitches 161 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 1: want from that video set? Came through like a little kid, 162 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 1: But I ain't go from he always like Young Bird 163 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:57,679 Speaker 1: was always like a boss, very talented kid man a 164 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: little kid when he came through right, but his entourage 165 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 1: he had like six different big who is this year? 166 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: Like he always moved like a boss even before he 167 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 1: was that. But that's one thing that I can vouch 168 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:12,439 Speaker 1: for that dude. He always was a boss as a 169 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:14,680 Speaker 1: little kid. Still is man doing his thing. Hit shout 170 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: out to hit maker man. He always like when I 171 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 1: met him, he was like, I don't know eleven, but 172 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 1: Boston it. He walked up on DMX with six big 173 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 1: security guard like, what's up? That's crazy? Got cool. At 174 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 1: the peak of the rough Rider ship, right you're on 175 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 1: tour your I mean, ship has gotta be great. But 176 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:44,679 Speaker 1: like what like, like what point in time did you, 177 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:47,439 Speaker 1: like do you remember vividly being like, oh, ship, we're 178 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: like the hottest motherfuckers in the world because legit like 179 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 1: rough Riders for like that run man, there was nothing. 180 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 1: It was like all this puff daddy shit was happening 181 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 1: and then boom, DMX came in, ripped all that ship 182 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 1: away and was like, nah, man, no more of that 183 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 1: shiny suit ship. This's a whole new energy. Like what 184 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 1: we did, we just made it fear for regular dudes 185 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: on the street, like just regular dudes that just happened 186 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 1: to be nice. We made it a big platform for 187 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:20,680 Speaker 1: them to be successful too. You don't necessarily gotta be 188 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 1: fining around in the video and stuff like that. No, 189 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: disrespect to the boy. I'm a big fan of that, 190 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 1: of course, but no, but it was like you had 191 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 1: that big budgets to those kind of videos to where 192 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 1: we made it to where you can actually wear regular jeans, 193 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:41,080 Speaker 1: and they told the homies to come out. Yeah, obviously 194 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 1: with X passing, man, I mean, share your thoughts, like, 195 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 1: I like, where were you at? Like, you know, obviously 196 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 1: you and X had a very close brother brotherhood, and 197 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 1: you know, I mean that poster has been there since 198 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: before he passed. X. More of my all time favorites, 199 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 1: you know. And I was ship that shit had me 200 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:01,559 Speaker 1: fucked up man driving through New York City having Hot 201 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 1: ninety seven on and they're playing his ship and I'm like, 202 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 1: damn man, Like, but but where were you when you 203 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 1: found out about it? Man? I was in His family 204 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:14,960 Speaker 1: actually called me, you don't like it's actually blood family 205 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:18,079 Speaker 1: really called me, and it was like drag, you know 206 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 1: what I mean. You know, we're about to take him 207 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 1: off of the life support and stuff like that. So 208 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 1: I kind of knew he passed away before a lot 209 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 1: of people knew, you know, you know, like before the 210 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 1: media knew, you know what I mean. So I was 211 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 1: already hurt him down. You know what I'm saying, Yeah, 212 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 1: it's rough man, cause it it felt like we saw 213 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: that verses with Snoop, It felt like he was in 214 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 1: such a good place. I love to see him. I 215 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 1: love to see him with a belly because I was like, oh, 216 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 1: he's eating good, you know what I mean? Like good 217 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: and like the greatest part about that too, was that 218 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 1: dmx is was always a Snoop Doggie Dog fan. Like 219 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 1: when I was watching him versus and stuff like that, 220 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 1: that's all I was thinking about him because I know 221 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: the type of fan he is for Snoop. You know 222 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:07,199 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like he really respected like like Snoop Dog. 223 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:09,319 Speaker 1: He respect that dog. Right there, I ain't gonna fun. 224 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 1: That's one person that he always was a fan of. 225 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:13,599 Speaker 1: So that's why we watched some of the verses, like 226 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 1: some of the records that he put on. Did you 227 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:17,080 Speaker 1: see x get up like, oh hold on, this was 228 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 1: my really was fun? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, that was real 229 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:22,319 Speaker 1: And that was actually like, oh snap, this is my 230 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:24,959 Speaker 1: joint right, I remember? That was your relationship with x 231 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 1: uh Did you have one prior to the Rough Righters 232 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:29,319 Speaker 1: thing or did you like how how did you come 233 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:31,439 Speaker 1: into the fold. Were you like, like with him before 234 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: the rough Riders or like explain your guys' history. Uh, well, 235 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 1: D you know what I mean? You know, D the 236 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 1: general is the one that put me on the map, 237 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:47,960 Speaker 1: the one that believed in me first before everybody. And 238 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:52,079 Speaker 1: he brung me up to the studio and and it 239 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:54,199 Speaker 1: was like to battle DM Max. But I didn't even 240 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 1: know it was a battle because I never was battling 241 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: at that time, you know what I'm saying. I found 242 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:00,120 Speaker 1: out very fast though, you know what I mean. As 243 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 1: soon as I got in there, boom, he was right there. 244 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 1: They didn't quite waste any time too. I was like, 245 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: I got there, what's up? What are you doing? Yo? 246 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 1: Drag yo yo? Turn that beat on my quick boom 247 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: and it was straight like that. And then he just 248 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 1: started rapping, which was and then I'm listening to his 249 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 1: floor and the style of delivering. I'm listening to all that. 250 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, this dude was incredible right here. But 251 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:26,960 Speaker 1: at that time I was so hungry, you find trying 252 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 1: to say, so I still kept going back at him, 253 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 1: back at him, back at the back, And next thing 254 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 1: you know, a whole hour went bound. We were just 255 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 1: back and forth, trading bars, and even though I lost 256 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 1: that battle like the whole time. Yeah, I said, we 257 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 1: probably battle four hour. I lost four hour, you know 258 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 1: what I mean, But he respected it, like you know 259 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 1: what I mean, you know, like to the max. Like 260 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 1: he he just just like, you know what, I think, 261 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:50,440 Speaker 1: we're gonna keep this dude right here. I like this 262 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:52,320 Speaker 1: dude you gonna trying to say. And it was just 263 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 1: something that he always said that was just in my 264 00:13:54,200 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 1: eyes that reminded, uh uh that I always just minded 265 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 1: me right right right right, Yeah, yeah, I think like 266 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 1: you guys were it was It's almost like you guys 267 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:12,679 Speaker 1: were so synonymous with each other, you know what I mean. 268 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 1: It was like, yo, you see DMX, you see Drag 269 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:17,840 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. I say, like like the 270 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 1: whole Batman and Robin thing that was set up us 271 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 1: our joint was actually genuine What year was that because 272 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 1: obviously this was prior to his first album, So when 273 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 1: like when was this? That was nineteen ninety seven, ninety seven, 274 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 1: album came out in ninety eight, album came out in 275 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 1: ninety eight. After that, you know what I mean, you know, 276 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 1: like right after we battled, It's like me and him 277 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 1: got super cool. So Or had bought a house in 278 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 1: North Carolina and sent us out there. So he worked 279 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 1: on his first album and I worked on my first album. 280 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying the opposite eight two oh yeah, 281 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 1: at the same time with him in the house in 282 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 1: North Carolina. While he was working on this shit in 283 00:14:57,400 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 1: their room, I probably was in another room in my 284 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 1: room was is working on my ship? Do you you know? 285 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 1: There's so many profound songs on his first album. I 286 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 1: think that Uh Damien is one that always sticks out 287 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 1: to me as one of my favorites. That's one of 288 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 1: the songs that he wrote in North Carolina with us 289 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 1: in the house, and that's one of that's great. You 290 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 1: said that in the world. I was like, he was 291 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 1: actually just discussing that that's one of the fastest songs 292 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 1: he wrote. He actually timed himself. He said, you know what, 293 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 1: I'm gonna see how fast I could write. You know, 294 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 1: I just wrote a song before that fast kind of fast, 295 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 1: but didn't have the hook. He said, you know what, 296 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 1: I think I could write even faster than that. And 297 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 1: I mean because I think he had just knocked out 298 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 1: a song with like two and a half hour's whole 299 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 1: song boom, right, so he try to top that, and 300 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 1: he topped it with Damien. He wrote Damien in an 301 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 1: hour and a half Wow, hook and everything that that 302 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 1: whole him playing two different people. Yeah, nah, that's X 303 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 1: doing that. And he wrote both of those parts and everything. 304 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 1: So you're you were in there while he's writing this, 305 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 1: and uh no, But I'm curious because, like obviously him 306 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 1: rapping from the perspective of the you know, the devil 307 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 1: or whatever you wanna called Damien. You know, yod what's up? 308 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 1: You are smooth? So like was like did he have 309 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 1: the like like talk about the concept, Like how did 310 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 1: he come up with that concept? Because if you guys 311 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 1: were there, I mean, that's crazy. That's that's one of 312 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 1: the crazier records on his first album. That like always 313 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 1: just sticks out to me. Yeah, yeah, like that right there. 314 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 1: That was something he was actually dealing with in life 315 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 1: and reality, you know what I mean? That right there? 316 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 1: So that was real FN, Like that was I'm telling you, 317 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 1: that's the fastest record if because it always fell to 318 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 1: me as a kid, not knowing any better. I always 319 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 1: thought to myself, Damn DMX sold the soul to the 320 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: Devil and then Belly came out, and then the opening 321 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 1: scene there's the Little Boy and he's quote shit from 322 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 1: Damien and I was like, oh my god, he did 323 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 1: sell this. This shit is crazy. Now. Mind you, I'm 324 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 1: a grown adult now and I'm no better her. But 325 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 1: like I really thought, I was like this motherfucker DMXI. 326 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 1: He's really like you know what I'm saying. Like, so 327 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 1: that was something he was like really battling with, just 328 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:13,639 Speaker 1: kind of like the battle with just just just what 329 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 1: life generally like. He had a hard life. Yeah, so 330 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, you know, just falls him 331 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 1: growing up as a kid and stuff like that. You 332 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:25,679 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. He's really from the streets, so 333 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 1: you know it's times he had to hold in the 334 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 1: street and being a homeless and I've been homeless. There's 335 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 1: a lot of artists that actually came into this game 336 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 1: being homeless of course and having nothing to go to, 337 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So that was some of 338 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 1: the demons, you know what I'm saying that that you 339 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:43,920 Speaker 1: might be fighting. It might be something like like I'm 340 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 1: hungry right now, and it's a lady and and that 341 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 1: person looked real nice and I'm hungry right now, and 342 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 1: I'm contemplating even though you're a good person, you might 343 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 1: you might but you like I'm starving, Yeah, but you 344 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 1: might have to make a hard decision. These are decisions 345 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 1: that he had to deal with. So he was just 346 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:07,680 Speaker 1: he was just able to capture it, you know what 347 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:09,440 Speaker 1: I mean, you know and put it in his music. 348 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 1: You know, I saw I watched the U the Rough 349 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:16,119 Speaker 1: Riders uh bt thing. Uh I figured what what what 350 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:20,160 Speaker 1: they call? I watched not not not the memorial the 351 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:24,160 Speaker 1: documentary the docu series they did. Was it last year? Yeah? Yeah, 352 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 1: And I didn't realize that. Uh. It's crazy because Swiss 353 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 1: coming up as a young guy in the camp, you know, 354 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 1: with some favoritism because of the family situation. But there 355 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:38,359 Speaker 1: was like a some of the other producers kind of 356 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:41,200 Speaker 1: felt some type of way about Swiss's like a sentence 357 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 1: in in you know, obviously Swiss is an all time 358 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 1: great producer, Like how was how how was it being 359 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:52,680 Speaker 1: around Swiss early on before he was like a thing, 360 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 1: because he became a thing real quick. His sound became 361 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 1: very distinct, very fast and automatically. I think everyone just 362 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:02,679 Speaker 1: had was beats beats, But early on like you know, 363 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 1: he was a kid, he was started off as a 364 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 1: DJ obviously, but like, did you kind of always see 365 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 1: that in Swiss? Like I was like at the time, 366 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 1: I was just so busy working on my album. I was. 367 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: I was just working on Opposite at age two. Well, 368 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 1: I was trying my best to get beats from anybody, 369 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, trying to get some ship. 370 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 1: The DMX didn't take. You probably got all the hot ship. Yeah, 371 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:25,119 Speaker 1: I was, I was. I was. I was actually trying 372 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:31,919 Speaker 1: to get beats from uh Swiss, p K Grease right an, 373 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. You know, like a lot 374 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:35,919 Speaker 1: of my stuff, I always work with a lot of 375 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 1: up and coming producers. But that's what I just always 376 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:40,920 Speaker 1: was just focused on. I was just focused on that fire. 377 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:50,159 Speaker 1: The rough Rider compilations were very, very historic, and you 378 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 1: had some of your I think some of your dopest 379 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 1: moments on those. Uh what was it like like when 380 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:00,439 Speaker 1: you guys are making those compilations where they're record Like, 381 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 1: would you guys like purposely go in and be like, Yo, 382 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: we're working on Ride or Die Volume one, that's what 383 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 1: we're working on. Or was it like, hey, look who's 384 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:12,239 Speaker 1: got extra records and everything I put together? Like how 385 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 1: how did those songs come to be? You know what 386 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:18,399 Speaker 1: I mean? Like we are lay like we alay some 387 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 1: records and stuff like that, and some records to make 388 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 1: it there and some records to make it there, you'll say. 389 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 1: So that's what it really was, Like a lot of 390 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:29,880 Speaker 1: people do it. The song with Me and juven Now 391 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:33,679 Speaker 1: was gonna be on my album it made it to 392 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 1: and it might it might have should have been on 393 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 1: that on your album because that would have been a single. Yeah, 394 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:41,920 Speaker 1: a lot of people say that, you know what I'm saying, 395 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 1: But they wanted that look for that. So it was 396 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: just like certain songs just where you know, I mean, 397 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 1: you know, like wherever they wanted it to go, you 398 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 1: know what I man me, My job is just writing 399 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 1: and just trying to lay as more songs as possible. 400 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 1: What was it like having the Locks be brought into 401 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 1: the fold? Because at the time I was se the 402 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 1: Locks were some of the hottest artists in New York. 403 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 1: There was the huge Bad Boys split and you know, 404 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,400 Speaker 1: we are the Streets is a bible for a lot 405 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 1: of people out here, you know what I'm saying. But 406 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 1: what was that like, because like, Yo, think about the 407 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:17,440 Speaker 1: competition within just the crew. It's you, it's X, it's Eve, 408 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 1: it's the Locks. I mean ship young one was fire. 409 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:24,399 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like, like, what what was 410 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:29,400 Speaker 1: that like? Having the Locks come into the fold. I've 411 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 1: always seen them in the fold, Like I've never really 412 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:33,959 Speaker 1: seen them out the fold. No matter where they was at, 413 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,359 Speaker 1: it was always you know, they always was like Locks 414 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:39,120 Speaker 1: are there before me? Oh they were there already. Yeah, 415 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 1: I mean I felt like, yeah, it was like some 416 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 1: younger ship. Really it was like some wild ship. Never 417 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:46,439 Speaker 1: was really not there, you know what I mean. You know, 418 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:50,879 Speaker 1: I mean like me, since the first day I got 419 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,439 Speaker 1: over there, they always was there. X was there, you 420 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 1: know what I mean. You know, give me some some 421 00:21:56,320 --> 00:22:00,119 Speaker 1: some some of your fondest memories of being on tour. Well, 422 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 1: first of all, we could talk about the h There 423 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,640 Speaker 1: was a rough Rider's Cash Money tour, which was pretty dope. 424 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 1: But the the tour that I remember that we talked 425 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 1: about was that Hard that Hard Knock Life Tour, which 426 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 1: is like a moment in hip hop method Man and 427 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 1: Red Man flying through the air. I knock like to it. 428 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 1: With the tour that prepared me for the Dcast Money Tour. 429 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 1: You know, I mean that actually prepared me, you know 430 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 1: what I mean, because I actually had to come out 431 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 1: twice and perform, you know what I mean. You know, 432 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:29,360 Speaker 1: on the Hard Knock Life tour, you know what I mean. 433 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 1: So it gave me a taste of being an artists. 434 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You don't performing in front 435 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: of hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people, you know 436 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 1: what I mean. So, you know, it kind of it 437 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 1: kind of molded me, you know what I mean. Of course, yeah, yeah, 438 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 1: what because I did that tour. The dynamic of Hove 439 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 1: in d m X at the time was so interesting 440 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 1: to me because obviously they were both at the top 441 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 1: of their game. There was all these rumblings about there 442 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 1: being that murdering group with him and jaw Rule and 443 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 1: and Hove and and uh. I think anybody who you 444 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:10,879 Speaker 1: would have probably asked at the time probably would have 445 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:12,680 Speaker 1: said the DMX should probably close that tore out, you 446 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. At the time, obviously jay Z's 447 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 1: the greatest of all time, but at that time DMX 448 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 1: was scorching, like scorching was there, like like how was 449 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:31,119 Speaker 1: their relationship because we watched the Hard Knock Life documentary 450 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 1: like I mean, you know, like for a DMX and 451 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:37,119 Speaker 1: and whole, Like I wasn't there for that, so I 452 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,879 Speaker 1: don't really know what that was. I know it was 453 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 1: always mutual respect No, for sure, it was always respectful, 454 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 1: but like there had to be some sort of friendly 455 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:47,880 Speaker 1: competition you would think between like I mean, you know, 456 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 1: but but that's just New York, Like, yeah, always who's 457 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:54,200 Speaker 1: the King of New York? Talk? Yeah, that's that's that's 458 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 1: that's what that's about. That's that that's the New York 459 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 1: thing that you know what I mean, you know, we'll 460 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 1: always in competition with each other. You know, that's just 461 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 1: New York. So yeah, I feel like New York is 462 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 1: probably the most competitive city and hip hop everybody, especially 463 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 1: back then, because everybody was who's the King of New York? 464 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 1: I think he's gone, So who's the king of New York? 465 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:18,440 Speaker 1: It was like is it Dove? Is it ghost Face Killer? 466 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:20,920 Speaker 1: Is a DMX? Is it is it Fat Joe? Is? 467 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 1: That's crazy? So obviously you know what X passing the 468 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 1: way he did. Man, you know, he's had a troubled, 469 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 1: uh history when it comes to I mean also a 470 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 1: very open history when it comes to his his you know, 471 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:35,919 Speaker 1: use of certain substances and stuff like that. Was that 472 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 1: something that was like was that something that everyone around 473 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 1: him kind of knew was going on? Or was it 474 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:47,400 Speaker 1: something that became worse over time? Like yeah, with the drugs, 475 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,440 Speaker 1: any drugs around me. Ever, not one time I put 476 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:53,159 Speaker 1: that on my daughter. He knew nothing to do that 477 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,920 Speaker 1: around me. So I don't really know too much about 478 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 1: the drugs, like like like far as the drug and 479 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 1: I put this on my daughter, my grandmam, Mom's everything, 480 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:04,959 Speaker 1: like he never ever did. But did you guys know 481 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 1: that that was a thing or was it like if 482 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 1: you didn't see it, so you didn't really know? Or 483 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 1: I never really I mean, you know, he was such 484 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 1: a dope artist and I was just so focused on 485 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 1: that part of his life, you know what I mean, 486 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: you know, especially with him not trying around me, having 487 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 1: that respect for me. I just always looked at him 488 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 1: as the great artist that he is. That's it. I 489 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 1: never looked at him and no other way but that, 490 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. At what what what year 491 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,200 Speaker 1: did you end up kind of starting to split away 492 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 1: from rough Riders and being around X so much, because yeah, 493 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,119 Speaker 1: I think you said Helen Back came out in two 494 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 1: oh three, so at that point in time, I'm trying 495 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,919 Speaker 1: to think, O three oh four, that's probably around the 496 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 1: time the Grand Champ is that Grand Champ type era? Yeah, 497 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,360 Speaker 1: like three when we were shooting Crazy in the grade, 498 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 1: he was working on his third album, so he was 499 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 1: working on uh and then there was X. Yeah because 500 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,919 Speaker 1: that's that was his third album. Yeah, hey, because you 501 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:06,639 Speaker 1: said you were after with these Bitches one video, so 502 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 1: that was on that album. Did did your relationship with 503 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 1: rough Rider souring effect your like your relationship with X? 504 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 1: H Nah, me and X was always brothers, always going 505 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,159 Speaker 1: to remain brothers, you know what I'm saying. So you know, 506 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 1: we always was genuine us, Like when we came across 507 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,200 Speaker 1: each other, they were straight brothership. It wasn't none of that. 508 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 1: Let me like, like the relationship that me and X had, 509 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 1: it wasn't just it wasn't just based on music, you 510 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 1: know what I mean? You know, it was it was 511 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,880 Speaker 1: like some real genuine shit. That's yeah, when's the last 512 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 1: time you spoke with him? That's my script that X 513 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 1: probably mean, I don't know, maybe like seven eight months 514 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 1: ago time. I mean like like it was months before 515 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 1: he passed. I mean because he was working on his album, right, 516 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 1: and I was working on Yeah, And I just did 517 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 1: a big transition movie from the East to the West. 518 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 1: So it was kind of hard for me when I 519 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,440 Speaker 1: first got to the West because I didn't really know 520 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 1: how the West really moved like that. 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Yeah, I think 543 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 1: that there's obviously an unfair expectation when we see someone 544 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,200 Speaker 1: like X pass away and how he passed away, where 545 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 1: you know, there's so many would have could have should 546 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 1: have that people try to bring up like, hey, well 547 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:33,160 Speaker 1: you know, you know, maybe people closer to him could 548 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 1: have spoke up or or intervened or you know, had 549 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,239 Speaker 1: an intervention or whatever the case is. But you know, 550 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 1: I think that I think that there was probably a 551 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 1: lot of that that we didn't see because I know, 552 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 1: I don't you know, obviously Swiss is you know, somebody 553 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 1: who was very close to X. But did you feel 554 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 1: like maybe looking back, that there were people around him 555 00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 1: that could have maybe done more way back then. At 556 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 1: the time, X is the hottest rapper in the world. 557 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 1: There's boatloads of money coming in, so I'm sure that like, yeah, 558 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 1: some stuff was ignored because it's like whatever makes them happy, 559 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:13,719 Speaker 1: We're just gonna do because the money's coming. Was there 560 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 1: something that you think, like like you like like thinking back, 561 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 1: was there more that you think other people could have 562 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 1: did not not necessarily saying yourself, of course, I just 563 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 1: always looked at X as an artist. I never looked 564 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 1: at him how everyone else views or or or how 565 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 1: someone else viewed that situation. I just looked at him 566 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 1: as one of the greatest rappers I've ever heard in 567 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:42,040 Speaker 1: my life. I mean, he's obviously your brother, your friend, right, Yeah, 568 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 1: I mean I think it's a It's just it's just tragic, man. 569 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 1: Anytime someone passes from that, like it's like fuck man 570 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 1: like that, everyone starts to think, like, well, what could 571 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 1: have Like my mom's Like my mom's was a crackhead, 572 00:29:56,200 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 1: My pops was a crackhead. My uncle did drugs and 573 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 1: stuff like that. I had, I had so many you 574 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 1: know what I mean, don't like and I mean you know, 575 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 1: when you from the hood and stuff like that, and 576 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 1: you grew up around that, Like that's just all you know, 577 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 1: you pretty much numb to it, you know what I'm saying. 578 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 1: So you know, when it came down to the relationship 579 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 1: with me and DMMX, I just looked at him as 580 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 1: one of the greatest artists I ever seen in my life. 581 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 1: That's it, I I j I. I didn't really nomally 582 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 1: fond chance to life. I mean you know, I didn't. 583 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,479 Speaker 1: I didn't really get into uh not me don't like 584 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:33,880 Speaker 1: me and him always had a respect for each other 585 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 1: where I mean we didn't. I mean, don't we have respect. 586 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 1: We didn't dig deep and you know, I mean no, 587 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 1: like X was a older brother to me, you know 588 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 1: what I mean. You know, he wasn't like like somebody 589 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 1: I could be like ek So what they say, like 590 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,280 Speaker 1: you find like I was his little brother, right right, right, 591 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 1: right right. I just looked up to him, like how 592 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,520 Speaker 1: you would look up to your big brother. You might 593 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 1: not be knowing that he's out there robbing liquor stores 594 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 1: or whatever you find out own, you know, is your right? Yeah, 595 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 1: that's firsh shit, Mmmm, that's fair man. You talk about 596 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 1: the Cash Money Tour, which was a adupt moment in 597 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:09,680 Speaker 1: hip hop to have both of those crews on the 598 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 1: road at the same time, obviously, Uh, I missed those 599 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 1: kind of toys. I feel like we don't get those 600 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 1: kind of toys and hip hop anymore, Like that kind 601 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 1: of energy where there was that bigger artist all together 602 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 1: at the same time on the same bill. I feel 603 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:25,480 Speaker 1: like there's too much ego and hip hop now or 604 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 1: that kind of shit don't even fly no more. It's 605 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:35,120 Speaker 1: just way too much egoye. You know, the word platforms 606 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 1: used way too much. Oh you know, I don't know 607 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 1: if I already want that on my platform. Yeah, there's 608 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:45,719 Speaker 1: some bullshit. Everyone's so worried that. Yeah, Like think about it, 609 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 1: rough Riders in cash Money, two different genres, like not, 610 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 1: two different pieces of the country, two different, totally different 611 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,720 Speaker 1: sonically movements coming together on the road is fucking crazy. 612 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 1: That wouldn't even happen these days, Like it fucking you know, 613 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 1: imagine if like Kendrick Lamar went on tour with fucking 614 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 1: NB a young boy. Yeah, people be like what that 615 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 1: don't even make sense? Give me some like what what what? 616 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 1: What's like your some of your favorite stories about that tour, Like, 617 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:20,080 Speaker 1: give me a story from that tour that you kind 618 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 1: of look back on. That was pretty crazy. Just me 619 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,920 Speaker 1: being able to actually come out every night and rob 620 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,360 Speaker 1: the crowd. That's the biggest story for me, just me 621 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,200 Speaker 1: actually going out there and representing trag. You know what 622 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,520 Speaker 1: I mean. You know, that's the biggest story for me. 623 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:37,480 Speaker 1: That's that's what I'm going always your mumbo, you know 624 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 1: what I man? You know, did you and Juvenile perform 625 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:43,720 Speaker 1: together the record off the the last show in New York? 626 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 1: That's it? The ho tel We didn't perform in that 627 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:47,680 Speaker 1: one time, but you guys did it do it once? 628 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 1: We did it once? And I think for New York? 629 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 1: Did you do that song together in the studio, because 630 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,280 Speaker 1: nowadays we think so it wasn't together. I met him 631 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:05,400 Speaker 1: for the first time. I guess has been out number one. Wow, Hey, 632 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 1: we got that song together. We got them that's it. 633 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 1: That shit is crazy on tour. Wow, that ship, that's 634 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 1: that's wold. You just put a new album out, which 635 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:22,480 Speaker 1: is by the way you're spinning. Man, it feels like 636 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 1: you said, it feels like you had like you you 637 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 1: almost like you had a broke fucking point to prove. 638 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 1: It's been almost twenty years since the last one. It's 639 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 1: like you can't come with no bullshit. I mean this, 640 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 1: I mean, like this album right here. It started from 641 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,600 Speaker 1: bof Part one and I had dropped that a couple 642 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,080 Speaker 1: of years ago, and it did real good on the streets. 643 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,160 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You know, the videos, like 644 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 1: some of the videos on there. I got two three 645 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 1: million views on my fan page, so it did real good. 646 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 1: Shout out to DJ get it right. Let me, he's 647 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 1: the one that actually started that because I didn't even 648 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,840 Speaker 1: want to drop no mixed right my brother, but he 649 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 1: was like, nah, is doing good? Drag Ufonchin said like 650 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:04,200 Speaker 1: you might could do it, And I mean I had 651 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 1: just dropped the Chok Them freestyle that did like three 652 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:10,799 Speaker 1: four million on the streets, so h I mean you know, 653 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,440 Speaker 1: so after that, it made me link up with them 654 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,440 Speaker 1: and do part two. So we did Part two and 655 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,600 Speaker 1: then we did Part three together. So Part four was 656 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,759 Speaker 1: kind of catering to those fan base that loved that 657 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:26,960 Speaker 1: uh saga, but I really wanted them to know that 658 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,319 Speaker 1: I know how to do music too, so I put 659 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,480 Speaker 1: a lot of different music and I mean, you know, 660 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:35,320 Speaker 1: after the fourth or fifth song, if you notice the 661 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 1: album goal like another direction, which is me into a 662 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:42,279 Speaker 1: biby type zone. You know what I'm saying, because you 663 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,319 Speaker 1: know part one, two and three, I really was just like, 664 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,799 Speaker 1: I'm back, I'm spitting part to talk about anybody. But 665 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,680 Speaker 1: part four I didn't really care about that. I really 666 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:53,839 Speaker 1: just wanted people to enjoy the project. Who's because there's 667 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,759 Speaker 1: so many incredible MC's that are thriving right now in 668 00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 1: hip hop. Who are some of the artists that you're 669 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 1: fans of that are currently kind of like on the 670 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:11,839 Speaker 1: newer side of things. I like, I like Rowdy Rich 671 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:18,960 Speaker 1: Roddy of course, of course, man, mm hmmm. I like 672 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:27,000 Speaker 1: money Bag Yell, money Bag Yell's fire. Uh. You know, 673 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,279 Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of Kendrick, big fan of j Cole. 674 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,960 Speaker 1: You funk with any of the Griselda guys at all? Yeah, Yeah, 675 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,799 Speaker 1: that Griselda ship is like that's the energy, like I 676 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,880 Speaker 1: feel like he's been missing, man, that's the energy that 677 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:44,280 Speaker 1: New York was once. Of course, I have much respect 678 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:50,319 Speaker 1: for for Grazil Direcords, like all the artists is over there, 679 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:54,560 Speaker 1: Bennie and like, yeah, and I'm a huge fan of them. 680 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,319 Speaker 1: I mean, because they are just just keeping the hip 681 00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,840 Speaker 1: hop they their leaders and they know that they're not following. 682 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:07,560 Speaker 1: They actually said, Uh, so you were in Exit Wound's 683 00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:09,960 Speaker 1: Cradle to the Grave. What are the movies? Were those 684 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:15,919 Speaker 1: the two? Uh, I'm a Grave. I shot another movie 685 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,920 Speaker 1: with me and Love and Doctor Dre shout out to 686 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:25,680 Speaker 1: those guys are legends Cradle two. I mean Exit Woons 687 00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:29,400 Speaker 1: had Steven Segall Cradle to the Grave at jet Lye 688 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:31,800 Speaker 1: at the time. I mean, obviously those are two of 689 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,200 Speaker 1: the greatest like, uh, martial artists of all time when 690 00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 1: it comes to just on movies, especially jetly Man. And 691 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:40,920 Speaker 1: that was like early on in jet ly Is, like 692 00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:42,920 Speaker 1: you know, there was I feel like Jackie Channel was 693 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,680 Speaker 1: like the first guy in the nineties that like like 694 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,080 Speaker 1: was a superstar in China and crossed over and it 695 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:51,120 Speaker 1: worked in America. And then there was jet Lye. What 696 00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,359 Speaker 1: was it like being on set with jet Lee? Like, 697 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,000 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like, cool, dude, you know 698 00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,160 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. You know, he's real short, you know 699 00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:02,080 Speaker 1: what I mean, And he barely spoke English, but he 700 00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,160 Speaker 1: tried his best to speak to me in English, you 701 00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,239 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So I kind of respected that, 702 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,600 Speaker 1: you know what I mean because he know, his English 703 00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,120 Speaker 1: was real bad. I know, it might have looked like 704 00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:17,759 Speaker 1: he can talk you yeah, like a translator speech. Yeah. 705 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:21,000 Speaker 1: It's the whole time on every single part to get 706 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:27,279 Speaker 1: it right. Did you like, you know, acting wise, I 707 00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,840 Speaker 1: feel like Ex's potential as an actor wasn't even sniffed. Like. 708 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:32,640 Speaker 1: I feel like it could have been so much bigger, 709 00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:34,640 Speaker 1: Like for some reason, I mean, I don't know, we 710 00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,040 Speaker 1: just stopped getting DMX movies. You know, we had a 711 00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:40,839 Speaker 1: there was so many fire ass DMX movies. I don't 712 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:42,160 Speaker 1: know if it was whatever was going on in his 713 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,600 Speaker 1: personal life and he ended up stopped acting as much. 714 00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,919 Speaker 1: But what did you like? Did he did he try 715 00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:49,920 Speaker 1: to like kind of give you a lot of pointers 716 00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,360 Speaker 1: on the acting ship early on, because he was a 717 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:57,040 Speaker 1: solid actor, unlike Nasa Nas was a terrible actor in 718 00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:58,880 Speaker 1: that movie. I'm just going to shout out to Nas. 719 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:02,000 Speaker 1: But Ex ex X is the reason why I'm in movies, 720 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,080 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Of course, Ex is the 721 00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,719 Speaker 1: reason for Dragon. So anything you've seen that I did, 722 00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:09,840 Speaker 1: it's probably because he did it first and allowed me 723 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:11,840 Speaker 1: to do it after. You know, what was it like 724 00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,920 Speaker 1: t describe Stephen Sigall as a very uh interesting fellow. 725 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:17,400 Speaker 1: What was what was being on a movie set with 726 00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:21,279 Speaker 1: Stephen Sigga? Like it was real interesting cause he took 727 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,680 Speaker 1: a liking to me, you know what I'm saying. For real, 728 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:25,640 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. You know, out of everybody 729 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:27,319 Speaker 1: on this set, he didn't really rock with too many 730 00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,560 Speaker 1: people like Steven sicgall An. They type of person that 731 00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:31,920 Speaker 1: if he rock with you, he rock with you. If 732 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:33,800 Speaker 1: he don't, he don't it like like you know what 733 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:38,520 Speaker 1: I mean. So you know he with him actually taking 734 00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:41,279 Speaker 1: a liking to me, like weird cause I grew up 735 00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:42,840 Speaker 1: on him, you know what I'm saying. You know, I 736 00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,520 Speaker 1: was a huge fan and all that. I was actually 737 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,360 Speaker 1: able to tell him some of my favorite movies that 738 00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,360 Speaker 1: he did. Wow, Like you know what I'm saying, And 739 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,319 Speaker 1: he was telling me what was going on at that time. 740 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,920 Speaker 1: So I'm just sitting there listening. So you know it 741 00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:56,680 Speaker 1: was dope, you know, I mean doing like Steven Seaga 742 00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:00,680 Speaker 1: was actually a cool dude, super cool dude, super cool 743 00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:02,640 Speaker 1: dude with me dance serious, you know what I'm saying. 744 00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,320 Speaker 1: So yeah, you know what I mean. He used to 745 00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,920 Speaker 1: be in the studio with Casey and Jojo. So, I 746 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,879 Speaker 1: mean he's into the music. That's so rare. I can 747 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,279 Speaker 1: you imagine walking into a session and it's and it's 748 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:17,919 Speaker 1: Casey and Jojo and Steven Sogal like all the time. 749 00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:19,759 Speaker 1: Were you ever in the studio with them? At the 750 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:21,719 Speaker 1: same time, I was about to say, that'd have been 751 00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:24,640 Speaker 1: that's gotta be crazy. Yeah, he'snna tell me stories and 752 00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:26,719 Speaker 1: all that stuff. He just said this listen, like, you 753 00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:29,760 Speaker 1: know what I mean. But he's into the music the whole. 754 00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,359 Speaker 1: You know what I mean, You know he's aware. Yeah, damn, 755 00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:36,239 Speaker 1: that's that's wild man. The other thing I think that 756 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,799 Speaker 1: is dope is like, you know, for people who are 757 00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,480 Speaker 1: watching this who might have the same situation, like you 758 00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:45,040 Speaker 1: have a speech impediment and you have never let that 759 00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:47,040 Speaker 1: be an excuse for you to do what you want 760 00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:52,480 Speaker 1: to do right, and you're also you know, some people 761 00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:54,560 Speaker 1: are shamed by that or they do their best to 762 00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,120 Speaker 1: hide it. But I think that it's important for there's 763 00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,160 Speaker 1: somebody who could be watching this right now who's going 764 00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:02,880 Speaker 1: through the same situation and might want to be a 765 00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,760 Speaker 1: rapper or might wanna think you might wanna do TV 766 00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:07,600 Speaker 1: or whatever. It might not think that they can you 767 00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:10,000 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? And that's why, you know, I mean, 768 00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,520 Speaker 1: you don't like when I first let it out, you 769 00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:14,319 Speaker 1: know what I mean? You don't on a swed show. 770 00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:15,360 Speaker 1: You know what I mean? You know that I have 771 00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,680 Speaker 1: a stuttering problem. I actually went up there, not trying 772 00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,839 Speaker 1: to hide it and stuff like that. Right now, I've 773 00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,120 Speaker 1: been studying a little bit on this. Yeah, they pretty 774 00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,560 Speaker 1: much gonna see it. But I've been working on it, 775 00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:28,040 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So I'm not as bad. 776 00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:30,320 Speaker 1: But if my studing is real bad, you know what 777 00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:33,799 Speaker 1: I'm saying, So I just stop hiding it because I 778 00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,360 Speaker 1: wanted people to know, all right, And I mean, you know, 779 00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:41,000 Speaker 1: this is my imperfection, perfection, you know I'm not perfect. 780 00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:43,839 Speaker 1: I want them you know. I mean, you know, because 781 00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:45,920 Speaker 1: I know it's a lot of people that's that's probably 782 00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,960 Speaker 1: capable of doing so many things that they be nervous 783 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,880 Speaker 1: on how somebody's gonna look at it. Yeah, that'd be 784 00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,000 Speaker 1: the whole thing of when you stutter and you catch 785 00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,560 Speaker 1: a real bad studying and then you're wondering if they're 786 00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:01,000 Speaker 1: looking at you like you're crazy? Right right, right? Right? Yeah. 787 00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:04,000 Speaker 1: So with me being in a position that I am. 788 00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:07,960 Speaker 1: This is this is what let them know that Nope, 789 00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:11,000 Speaker 1: you have a studying problem. But you're not retarded. You say, 790 00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:14,160 Speaker 1: you're not slow. I'm very intelligent. You know. Oh you've 791 00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:19,520 Speaker 1: also got had an extremely successful you know, career using 792 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:23,359 Speaker 1: your voice and and and I think that that's got 793 00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,000 Speaker 1: to be inspirational because that would be the single most 794 00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:29,400 Speaker 1: insecure thing that anybody could probably do. And that's decided 795 00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,080 Speaker 1: to be an artist, a musician, you know, saying a 796 00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:37,560 Speaker 1: rapper stuff like that. I really stopped doing interviews because 797 00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,000 Speaker 1: of my student And then I said, nah, you know what, 798 00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,919 Speaker 1: that's not a way where I can really show them 799 00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,600 Speaker 1: that it can actually be done with a studying problem. 800 00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:48,319 Speaker 1: I mean, you know I was born with this. I 801 00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,600 Speaker 1: got on both sides of my family. You know, my 802 00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,520 Speaker 1: father's stutter on my father's that's my father, Yeah, my mom. 803 00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:57,319 Speaker 1: So my grandfather stuff badly he said, which he just 804 00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:01,080 Speaker 1: me which he just passed away. But uh, he had 805 00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:02,920 Speaker 1: a real bastarding problem to the front where you came 806 00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:06,400 Speaker 1: to quotem on the phone purpose you know what I'm saying. 807 00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,520 Speaker 1: So you know I actually got it on both sides 808 00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:11,120 Speaker 1: of my family, you know what I mean? So I 809 00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:14,560 Speaker 1: just be wanting people to understand and know that it 810 00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:18,520 Speaker 1: could still be done. Even even with it. I could 811 00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:23,880 Speaker 1: bear them speeding, but I flat listen. I'm gonna tell 812 00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,520 Speaker 1: you this, man. I pressed play on your new project, 813 00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:28,720 Speaker 1: and I'm like, I haven't heard a Dragon project. And 814 00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,759 Speaker 1: since I was I was in high school, maybe even 815 00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,840 Speaker 1: junior high, and was riding around to yesterday and I 816 00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:38,520 Speaker 1: was like, yo, it might like I know, not even 817 00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,960 Speaker 1: gassing you man, like this might be the lyrically the 818 00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,600 Speaker 1: most tip top I've heard you. You was really getting 819 00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:49,040 Speaker 1: getting off, bro, because you know, sometimes you press play, 820 00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:50,239 Speaker 1: like all right, let me hear this ship. You know, 821 00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:52,560 Speaker 1: I'm afraid. I'm almost like, I'm afraid this just gonna 822 00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,200 Speaker 1: sound dated or something. It's gonna be. I had play 823 00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:59,239 Speaker 1: on that, bitch. I said this intro is grazy. The 824 00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:03,120 Speaker 1: next and I'm like, damn, and you had some lines 825 00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:06,919 Speaker 1: in now. I was like, yo, god man, Yeah, man, 826 00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:08,719 Speaker 1: I think, dude. I think, like I just had this 827 00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:13,640 Speaker 1: conversation with Jay Mills not too long ago, and I 828 00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:17,960 Speaker 1: think that there is a rare opportunity for artists such 829 00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:24,400 Speaker 1: as yourself who are lyrically inclined to really just you know, 830 00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,959 Speaker 1: thrive because I think the pandemic has made people listen 831 00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:32,680 Speaker 1: to music differently. When I like, most of the country 832 00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,160 Speaker 1: isn't standing on couches this the last year in the 833 00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:38,879 Speaker 1: nightclub popping bottles. They're in their cars or they're at 834 00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:42,360 Speaker 1: home listening in their headphones. So the substance and the lyrics. 835 00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:45,360 Speaker 1: That's why if you see the Grammy nominations from twenty twenty, 836 00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:49,440 Speaker 1: it was all real rap shit. It was Royster five nine, 837 00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:53,799 Speaker 1: it was Freddy Gibbs. It was all all lyrical, ill 838 00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:57,560 Speaker 1: rap shit. And I think that, you know, another thing too, 839 00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:59,759 Speaker 1: is like don't hold on to music anymore, you know. 840 00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:03,320 Speaker 1: I think if anything, if anything that Griselda and Westside 841 00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,360 Speaker 1: Gun and Conway and Benny the Butcher have taught us 842 00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,960 Speaker 1: over the last you know, four years, is run that 843 00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:14,799 Speaker 1: indie catalog up man, run it up for sure. The 844 00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,960 Speaker 1: music me I got dropped. I mean, you know, like 845 00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,239 Speaker 1: I started my own record label, Code Environment, and we 846 00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,400 Speaker 1: put out music every week, go every two weeks. And 847 00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:25,520 Speaker 1: that's not just songs, you know what I'm saying. But 848 00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:28,319 Speaker 1: we don't really rely on DJs, so we put the 849 00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:31,160 Speaker 1: song out with the video every day. So smart. So 850 00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,239 Speaker 1: when you first hear the record, you're looking at it. 851 00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:37,360 Speaker 1: That's fire. Yeah, that's smart. Man. Were you able to 852 00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:41,000 Speaker 1: make it to Ex's memorial service? How was it? Because 853 00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,440 Speaker 1: I mean I thought it looked so amazing on TV. Uh. 854 00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:47,240 Speaker 1: I mean, I know Kanye helped design like the stages. 855 00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,440 Speaker 1: It just looked great. Man, it really you know, it 856 00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:53,000 Speaker 1: was obviously a very sad day, but like, how how 857 00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:56,560 Speaker 1: was it for you to go to that? It was 858 00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:58,000 Speaker 1: a lot for me to go to that, you know 859 00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:01,040 Speaker 1: what I mean. You know, I was in denial for 860 00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:04,520 Speaker 1: a long time, so I like, like me, I had 861 00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:06,800 Speaker 1: a hard time accepting it, Like you know what I'm saying, 862 00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,919 Speaker 1: you know, I'm going to make my homie the rest. 863 00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:12,080 Speaker 1: Like I had a hard time accepting it. So I 864 00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,759 Speaker 1: actually booked my flight the day of, like I was 865 00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,560 Speaker 1: really contemplating it, you know what I'm saying. But I mean, 866 00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:22,879 Speaker 1: you know, overall, I'm just glad I went for DMX. Yeah, 867 00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,439 Speaker 1: I mean it also, you know, just has to bring 868 00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:27,600 Speaker 1: up so much old feelings and then obviously every i 869 00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:31,399 Speaker 1: mean everyone through probably through your hip hop career, was there, 870 00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:35,880 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, were you able to reconcile or 871 00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,520 Speaker 1: see anybody there? That you hadn't talked to for a while, 872 00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:40,799 Speaker 1: or I was just there for DMX. That was it, 873 00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:45,560 Speaker 1: in and out. I was there for DMX. DMX passed away, 874 00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:48,040 Speaker 1: So I was acting in such of that manner, you know, 875 00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:51,880 Speaker 1: I swet I saw, you know, obviously Swiss's speech I 876 00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:55,560 Speaker 1: thought was really I thought, I mean what he said 877 00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,319 Speaker 1: could be applied to anybody in your life, right, like 878 00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,200 Speaker 1: as far as just like being there for people, well 879 00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,319 Speaker 1: not just when they're gone, like being there when they're here. 880 00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:07,360 Speaker 1: What did you think of just the services? Like like 881 00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:10,759 Speaker 1: Swiss's speech, I thought was anybody should watch that if 882 00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,480 Speaker 1: they haven't seen it. You know, he kept it a thousand. 883 00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:16,160 Speaker 1: But what were your thoughts on what he had to say? 884 00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:20,040 Speaker 1: And my thoughts was on my speech. But you you're 885 00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:25,040 Speaker 1: to worry about your own ship speech. My speech was 886 00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:28,759 Speaker 1: really focused on what he had done for me. You 887 00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:30,680 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying and what he is to me, 888 00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:34,719 Speaker 1: and I'm hurting that he passed away. How hard of 889 00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:37,319 Speaker 1: that is is that to write, like to put that 890 00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:42,080 Speaker 1: together into words. See, my speech just came from the heart. 891 00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,080 Speaker 1: I didn't write it. So you just went up there 892 00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,480 Speaker 1: and just just told your truth. Man, just spoke exactly 893 00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:50,080 Speaker 1: what it was. You know what I mean. So I mean, 894 00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,400 Speaker 1: I mean, like like what it like with my speech 895 00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:58,080 Speaker 1: being straight from the heart world genuine It made me, 896 00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:01,000 Speaker 1: uh shed a tear, you know what I'm saying because 897 00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:05,919 Speaker 1: I know where. Let mean, you know where it came from, right, 898 00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:10,880 Speaker 1: a real place. I just I just wash, you know, 899 00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:16,239 Speaker 1: happy that everybody showed DMX love, you know, the love 900 00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:17,680 Speaker 1: that he deserved. You know what I'm saying. You know 901 00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:20,400 Speaker 1: that was my thing. My thing was just shown up 902 00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:24,719 Speaker 1: for the homie. That's Have you been privy to hear 903 00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:28,600 Speaker 1: his new album at all? Anything from his new album? 904 00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:31,840 Speaker 1: I heard two records from it, dope? You know what 905 00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:34,520 Speaker 1: I mean. You know what I mean. You know like 906 00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:39,040 Speaker 1: DMX never really put out too much songs that wasn't great. 907 00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:42,480 Speaker 1: He was just great period. This is true. I wish 908 00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:45,000 Speaker 1: we would have got more. Man. Yeah, I always think back, 909 00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:48,239 Speaker 1: like what if DMX just never let up on this 910 00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:51,239 Speaker 1: rap shit? A lot of people's careers would have been 911 00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:54,640 Speaker 1: because man, I feel like he let up and that's 912 00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:56,680 Speaker 1: when you had the job rule slide in and have 913 00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:58,640 Speaker 1: his like you know, the R and B wave. And 914 00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:00,400 Speaker 1: it was really only because that X kind of just 915 00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:01,959 Speaker 1: let up on this ship, you know what I'm saying, 916 00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,040 Speaker 1: and with it the acting and you know what I mean, 917 00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:05,799 Speaker 1: it was like it kind of left the hold. Yeah, 918 00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:09,440 Speaker 1: it's crazy. Would there ever be a or would you 919 00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:11,920 Speaker 1: ever consider being a part of a Rough Rider reunion? 920 00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:15,080 Speaker 1: I mean obviously without X that's gonna be hard to accomplish. 921 00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:18,200 Speaker 1: But focused on my record label called Hood Environment, which 922 00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:21,000 Speaker 1: we just dropped the album March fifth, and we're doing 923 00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:24,840 Speaker 1: successful with that company. That's a company I started since six. 924 00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:29,000 Speaker 1: It's two thousands, it's twenty twenty one. So this has 925 00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:32,920 Speaker 1: been a long grind. I got my release Smith from 926 00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:38,120 Speaker 1: Rough Riders in seven I was not men, you know, 927 00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:41,680 Speaker 1: and I started my record label from then. So it's 928 00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,680 Speaker 1: been so focused on that. I mean, you said that 929 00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:47,359 Speaker 1: that lawsuit kind of broke you, right, so I can 930 00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:49,719 Speaker 1: only imagine that getting on the other side of that, 931 00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:53,680 Speaker 1: like the animosity you might have towards Rough Riders in general, 932 00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:56,480 Speaker 1: like who told you that? No, I'm saying that you 933 00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,680 Speaker 1: said that after you got released that going through and 934 00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:02,200 Speaker 1: high and lawyers and stuff, you ended up like kind 935 00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:06,040 Speaker 1: of broke, end up. I ended up being broke. I 936 00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:09,200 Speaker 1: ended up being uh he had to go back to 937 00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:10,840 Speaker 1: the streets. But I had to go back to the 938 00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:14,880 Speaker 1: streets and restarted my career. So you ended up homeless 939 00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:20,000 Speaker 1: after Rough Riders, Yeah, I was. I was actually homeless 940 00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:22,440 Speaker 1: while I was still on rough Riers. You were homeless, 941 00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:24,759 Speaker 1: So so explain to me being homeless, Like, wouldn't you 942 00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:28,040 Speaker 1: say homeless? What does that mean? So you actually were 943 00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:33,520 Speaker 1: definitively homeless while still being on rough Riders? Right, So 944 00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:37,239 Speaker 1: I started my company and just kept building for the 945 00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:40,560 Speaker 1: past ten years. So did d n Y know you 946 00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:42,520 Speaker 1: were homeless or was that something where it was like 947 00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:45,040 Speaker 1: it was just that the relationship was so sour. I 948 00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:48,160 Speaker 1: don't know, Like, you know, like once I left Rough Riders, 949 00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:54,040 Speaker 1: I focused on hood environment. Right. Damn for people watching 950 00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:56,640 Speaker 1: this man, that that's that's a low that it's hard 951 00:49:56,640 --> 00:50:01,440 Speaker 1: to come out of being homeless, right, especially being Dragon 952 00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:05,480 Speaker 1: from rough Riders, hitting homelessness, having to get back to 953 00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:09,040 Speaker 1: the streets to get your money up. The perseverance that 954 00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:12,600 Speaker 1: that takes, the dedication, the like mental fortitude that that takes. 955 00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:15,879 Speaker 1: Then I let that shit break. You gotta be crazy, man, Yeah, yeah, 956 00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:19,000 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. You know, at the end 957 00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:22,799 Speaker 1: of the day, I don't really like rely too much 958 00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:25,480 Speaker 1: on the people that's down here on this earth with 959 00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:28,200 Speaker 1: me say, I rely on God. God got me, you 960 00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:30,560 Speaker 1: know what I mean. So you know I'm here on 961 00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:34,760 Speaker 1: the strength of God. I am living proof that God 962 00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:36,759 Speaker 1: will help you if you ask them, you know what 963 00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,359 Speaker 1: I'm saying. If you pray, if you prayed up, if 964 00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:42,960 Speaker 1: you keep yourself within the bubble of prayer, then God 965 00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:46,520 Speaker 1: will be there for you, and and and even for 966 00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:50,040 Speaker 1: the people that don't pray, but just believe in God. 967 00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:53,160 Speaker 1: God got them too, you know what I'm saying. So 968 00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:55,719 Speaker 1: my thing was just mean, Like once I did that, 969 00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:58,520 Speaker 1: I just focus on my company, and then the streets 970 00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:01,440 Speaker 1: started catching on to it. So I just focused on that. 971 00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:02,880 Speaker 1: How long was that period of time that you were 972 00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:05,160 Speaker 1: actually homeless, like before you got to play? Like how long? 973 00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:11,000 Speaker 1: Like how long was that? A year and a half? 974 00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:14,920 Speaker 1: Two years? Like wow, damn man, we look you came 975 00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:19,040 Speaker 1: a long way, bro, And uh as listen, you're a 976 00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:23,680 Speaker 1: part of history. You are a part of history, man. 977 00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:27,520 Speaker 1: And how did you think that the documentary came out 978 00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:30,120 Speaker 1: on BT the was it was? It? Was it? The five? 979 00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:33,080 Speaker 1: Was it five episodes? Something like that? Oh, you didn't 980 00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:35,919 Speaker 1: watch it. I didn't watch it. I thought I thought 981 00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:38,080 Speaker 1: it was dope. I mean again, I'm I'm a fucking 982 00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:39,920 Speaker 1: When I was a kid, I used to tag up 983 00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:42,319 Speaker 1: DMX and rough Rider logo on all my folders and 984 00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:44,040 Speaker 1: that was all the posters I had in my room. 985 00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:46,920 Speaker 1: And so it was just like, yeah, this ship is great, 986 00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:50,040 Speaker 1: but yeah, it's it's also kind of got to be 987 00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:53,799 Speaker 1: crazy too, because like you're kind of like a part 988 00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:56,280 Speaker 1: of a fraternity that will forever exist on this planet 989 00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:58,080 Speaker 1: that has nothing to do with hip hop. Like the 990 00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:01,280 Speaker 1: Motorcycle Club ship is so big, big just the culture 991 00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:03,200 Speaker 1: of that are that has nothing to do with the 992 00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:05,680 Speaker 1: music or the record label. It's just so big. It's like, 993 00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:08,319 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Look, your album is out, 994 00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:11,120 Speaker 1: are you? I hope you keep putting out. You're gonna 995 00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:13,520 Speaker 1: keep putting out more albums. Yes, we're working on I'm 996 00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:17,120 Speaker 1: already working on another project that's so dope right now, 997 00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:20,120 Speaker 1: it's out of here, you know what I mean. So, 998 00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:25,200 Speaker 1: you know, we don't have a name. Somebody just used 999 00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:30,040 Speaker 1: the damn name, but they didn't know which name was. 1000 00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:32,719 Speaker 1: It was the name that just been used, right, So 1001 00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,319 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, but they didn't know that that 1002 00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:37,239 Speaker 1: was the name of right right, right right, So you 1003 00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:39,200 Speaker 1: gotta switch the name of them, switch the name of now, 1004 00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:41,160 Speaker 1: switching the name. But it's so good though, you know, 1005 00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:44,040 Speaker 1: the music is great. It sounds super big, you know 1006 00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:47,759 Speaker 1: what I mean. You know, it's it's it and it's 1007 00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:50,759 Speaker 1: and it's actually better than bof four, you know what 1008 00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:52,439 Speaker 1: I mean, because it got just a little bit more 1009 00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:55,360 Speaker 1: of a music type of vibe on this joint that 1010 00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:57,600 Speaker 1: I just know everybody gonna love. Hey, what I didn't 1011 00:52:57,600 --> 00:52:59,960 Speaker 1: ask you about? I always was curious about Eve Man 1012 00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:02,960 Speaker 1: and Eve was I think when we when we always 1013 00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:05,200 Speaker 1: talk about the greatest female hip hop rappers of all time. 1014 00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:06,920 Speaker 1: For some reason, I feel like people kind of just 1015 00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:08,920 Speaker 1: don't bring her up. And I think that's just because 1016 00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:12,000 Speaker 1: she hasn't been acted for a while. But like, uh, 1017 00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:16,239 Speaker 1: what was your relationship like with Eve? So just like 1018 00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:18,800 Speaker 1: any brother or sister relationship, highs and lows, and it 1019 00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:22,799 Speaker 1: was always love that said sisters, you know what I mean. 1020 00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:26,080 Speaker 1: You know you can actually go to my Instagram piece. Actually, 1021 00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:28,520 Speaker 1: I think like my last post or the post before that, 1022 00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:31,160 Speaker 1: you see when we sell each other, it's genuine, you 1023 00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:33,040 Speaker 1: know what I mean? You know it's Brother's Sistance. That's it. 1024 00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:36,360 Speaker 1: That's a beautiful thing. Man, we'll look drag on the legend. 1025 00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:42,080 Speaker 1: Go get the album, go stream it, and man, welcome 1026 00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:44,920 Speaker 1: to Cali too. Yes, yes, it's glad to have you 1027 00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:48,560 Speaker 1: on the West Coast. I love the weed. Man boomed up. 1028 00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:49,240 Speaker 1: See ready,