1 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:11,240 Speaker 1: Dime, no. 2 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 2: Demo crazy, I wordam my josh Oa. 3 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 3: In twenty twenty, millions of Americans took to the streets 4 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 3: to protest police violence. They were met with police violence 5 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 3: on a massive scale. Shootings, vehicle attacks, and assassinations occurred 6 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:35,239 Speaker 3: alongside these protests, often in defense of the police, and 7 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:38,959 Speaker 3: in total, at least twenty five Americans died. We now 8 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 3: know that President Trump repeatedly urged General Mark Milly to 9 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:46,480 Speaker 3: deploy US military forces to crack down violently on demonstrations. 10 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 3: Milly claims that Trump told him to have his soldiers 11 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 3: crack skulls, beat the fuck out of and just shoot protesters. 12 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 3: In the end, we were all lucky. Military leaders, including 13 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 3: General Milly, resisted to use their men to suppress domestic descent. 14 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 3: National Guard were called in to police several major cities, 15 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 3: but in many cases their behavior was tame compared to 16 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 3: the militarized police who were reliably shot and beat protesters. 17 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 3: For millions of Americans, twenty twenty was their first exposure 18 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:20,320 Speaker 3: to the violence the state will do to avoid change. 19 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 3: And then Trump lost the election. He and his followers 20 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 3: tried to carry out a coup but failed. For now 21 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 3: and millions of Americans who'd taken to the streets mostly 22 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 3: went back to their lives. Some were satisfied justice had 23 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 3: been done, others were furious to have stopped short of 24 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:39,320 Speaker 3: instituting real change. But at the end of the day, 25 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:43,119 Speaker 3: business went on as usual. A version of normal prevailed. 26 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 3: In twenty twenty one, the military of Myanmar, known as 27 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 3: the Toatmadaw, overthrew the elected government in a coup. Hundreds 28 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 3: of thousands of citizens, most of them young, gin z 29 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 3: and millennial men and women, took to the streets. Police 30 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 3: responded with tear gas, water cannon, and eventually bullets. The 31 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 3: international community expressed its horror at the brutality of the Tautmda, 32 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 3: but that's all they did. Over the course of several months, 33 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 3: the military pushed protesters mostly out of the cities, and 34 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 3: a protest movement against the military coup turned into a 35 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:20,640 Speaker 3: civil war. Now those same protesters, mostly kids who wanted 36 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 3: nothing more than a normal life, have become revolutionaries. With 37 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 3: home made guns, three D printed rockets, and stolen rifles, 38 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 3: they battled the tot MADA. Some of them fight in 39 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 3: the jungles, some of them fight in the cities, and 40 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:39,519 Speaker 3: some of them fight on the internet. This is their story. 41 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 3: We're sitting in a large suburban home in Mysout, Thailand, 42 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 3: a small city on the border of Menmar. The boys 43 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 3: singing and playing music around us range in age from 44 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:53,079 Speaker 3: seventeen to twenty two. Their existence in Thailand is a crime. 45 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 3: If they are caught here, they'll be forced to cross 46 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 3: the border into mi Anmar, whose government executed their friends 47 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:02,639 Speaker 3: and sold the old organs for profit. But tonight they're 48 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 3: playing music. We're drinking beer. Later, James Stout and I 49 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 3: will play pool with them and get our asses just 50 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 3: catastrophically wrecked. 51 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:16,920 Speaker 4: We met Andy, aged twenty two and head of the 52 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 4: family for his Instagram page. That's not his real name, 53 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 4: but for obvious reasons, we can't identify him. We first 54 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 4: met when I send him a DM asking if we 55 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 4: could buy one of his photos for our first series 56 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 4: on Me and Ma. He was a bit skeptical, but 57 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 4: I tried my best to get him to see we 58 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:34,360 Speaker 4: just wanted to give him money and promote his work. 59 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 4: Over the next six months or so, we weren't from 60 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 4: talking on the phone to messaging almost every day, to 61 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 4: Robert and I booking tickets to Thailand to sitting on 62 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 4: the top floor of their house. It used to be 63 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 4: his landlord's office, but now it's home to Andy and 64 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 4: his partner, Sarah. That's also not her real name, because 65 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 4: she's a citizen of a Western nation working in Thailand. 66 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 4: The boys we talk about are the brothers, his cousin 67 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 4: and friends. They live at a small building across the garden, 68 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 4: and in the daytime they sit under a gazebo and 69 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 4: play their guitars. The first night we met Andy and Sarah, 70 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 4: we sat behind a bar in an unpaved alleyway. We 71 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 4: drank beer out of sippy cups because selling beer is 72 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 4: still banned at the local COVID regulations, but apparently the 73 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 4: cops don't check sippy cups. We drank far too much, 74 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 4: in fact, and the next day I work up with 75 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:25,719 Speaker 4: a headache and a blurry photo of me, Robert and 76 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 4: Andy engaged in a pose which was half hug and 77 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 4: half mutual support structure. We walked home and according to 78 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:34,159 Speaker 4: my phone, at some point we took photos of a puppy, 79 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 4: and in a hopefully unrelated incident, at some point I 80 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 4: started bleeding. It was immediately obvious that Andy needed the 81 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:45,280 Speaker 4: chance to blow off some steam over the last year. 82 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 4: In Change, he is chronicled every stage of the coup 83 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 4: in its aftermath. In early videos we see joyous protests, 84 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 4: moments of resistance, and splendor in the streets of cities 85 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:59,919 Speaker 4: like Miawiti. Later we see violence, death, and guerrilla warfare. 86 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 4: And he didn't have what you would call an easy childhood, 87 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 4: thanks in part to me and Mau's long history of 88 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:10,280 Speaker 4: revolutions being crushed by the army. People there, like people everywhere, 89 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 4: want to be free and determine their own futures. And 90 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 4: so each generation has its own uprising, and each generation 91 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 4: has its own massacre in very little progress to show 92 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 4: for it. 93 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 5: I was born in two thousand, so when I was seven, 94 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 5: two thousand and seven, there was a revolution. It's called 95 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 5: Saffron revolution. It wasn't it wasn't like this, you know, 96 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 5: it wasn't like what happened now, But like, there were 97 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 5: a lot of people that were involved in it, a 98 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 5: lot of people that kill and a lot of people 99 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:41,479 Speaker 5: left yarmar and came to the refugee camps in here, 100 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 5: and we were one of the families that came to 101 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 5: the refugee camps. And yeah, in mess out Thailand. 102 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 6: Yeah. 103 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 3: Andy's mother is Buma, the dominant ethnic group in me 104 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 3: and Maar due to their decades long control of the 105 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 3: military and government. His father is Krin, the ethnic group 106 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 3: once used by the British government as soldiers. Since nineteen 107 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 3: forty nine, the Karin have fought a war in the 108 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 3: mountains against the top Mada. Their name is often anglicized 109 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 3: to be spelled just like the English name Karen, which, 110 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:13,480 Speaker 3: given present Internet trends, makes explaining the conflict sometimes awkward. 111 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:18,600 Speaker 3: Andy primarily identifies as and was raised Bamah. His family 112 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 3: left after the Saffron Revolution. They did not flee to 113 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:25,600 Speaker 3: escape political repression, but because the economy had collapsed. This 114 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 3: put them in an awkward position in the camps, which 115 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 3: were filled mostly with Karin people who had fled state violence. 116 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:36,160 Speaker 5: We weren't refugees, right, We were more like, how do 117 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 5: you say, like economic refugees. You know, we go because 118 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 5: not because our village has been burned down and our 119 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 5: family has been killed, you know. So then if we 120 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 5: were to go back to Yangon, we still could find 121 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 5: a job, we still could fine, you know. But then 122 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:55,039 Speaker 5: for these current people, like this place is the only 123 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:57,159 Speaker 5: place that they could exist at that moment, right and 124 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 5: probably still now too. So yeah, so they say that, 125 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:05,280 Speaker 5: but that education wasn't very good there. The life wasn't good, 126 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 5: you know, it wasn't It wasn't. It was very bad. Honestly, 127 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 5: it was very bad. It was a lot of violence, 128 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 5: a lot of hate, a lot of understandable, you know, 129 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 5: like these people have gone through so much shit and 130 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 5: so much trauma that and nothing. No one is coming 131 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 5: there too, but fix that. So they had a lot 132 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 5: of anger. They had a lot of problems. But my 133 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 5: mom said, yeah, we're going back because the education he 134 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 5: is very bad. And if you go back to Miami, 135 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 5: at least, you know, if you do like the thing 136 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 5: that people do, maybe you'll get somewhere. Yeah, in the future. 137 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 5: Here there's no future, so she said, So we went 138 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 5: back and I stayed in yourmar for like four years. 139 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 3: Andy had never been very political. His family was more 140 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 3: or less neutral, tending to side with the military more 141 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 3: often than not. Out of a sense of inertia. Me 142 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 3: and Mar attended to cartwheel between attempts at democracy and 143 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:58,239 Speaker 3: military dictatorship. So when the world media celebrated their first 144 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 3: democratic elections in twenty five years in twenty fifteen, Andy 145 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 3: was not particularly excited. 146 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, So, I mean we did realize that there was 147 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 5: a change in the country, right because we grew up 148 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 5: in the military to take your ship. But then one 149 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 5: intensity takeover took over. There were some changes, like the 150 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 5: phones got cheaper, the internet got cheaper, and if you 151 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 5: look back then you can see big, big changes. But 152 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 5: the thing is it was never real democracy, and I 153 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 5: think a lot of people in the Western countries thought 154 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 5: that it was democracy when al Sensergi took over. 155 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 3: Ansongsucci came to prominence during a nineteen eighty eight uprising 156 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 3: against the military, which ended in bloodshed in the streets 157 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 3: of Yangon, and she'd been a long time democratic activist. 158 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 3: As Andy noted, westerners celebrated her election as the first 159 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 3: democratic head of state for me and Maar. She even 160 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 3: won a Nobel Prize. But the agreement her party had 161 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:01,559 Speaker 3: made with the military gave the generals significant permanent control 162 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 3: over the government. 163 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 5: But I think most of the people in the country 164 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 5: knew it wasn't real democracy because you know, the military 165 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 5: always had twenty five percent twenty fight seats in the parliament, 166 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 5: right like they were always they were in charge of 167 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 5: electricity and all these all these big things, a weapons army, 168 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 5: like the military itself, they are in charge of all 169 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 5: these things, and they make it very clear. 170 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 3: And even with a Nobel prize on Soongsuchi did not 171 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 3: fight to stop the top Mada from pursuing their decades 172 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 3: long wars against the ethnic armed organizations in the Hills, 173 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 3: nor did she act to stop their ethnic cleansing of 174 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 3: the Rohinga people. In fact, she and others in her 175 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 3: party didn't even call them Rohinga. They called them Bengali 176 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 3: and insisted they were illegally residing in Myanmar, despite mountains 177 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 3: of evidence documenting a group by that name living in 178 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 3: what is now the Rakian State. I think most Americans 179 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 3: and Westerners in general can empathize with the feeling of 180 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:58,959 Speaker 3: electing someone who promises change and then getting very little 181 00:09:59,000 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 3: of what you'd expected. 182 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 5: I think Alsensucci used to be this hope that that 183 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 5: was like the opposition against the military. But I think 184 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 5: when she got power, she couldn't do all the things 185 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 5: that she promised to do, or like you know, we 186 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 5: looked at her before, we looked at her as something, 187 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:23,559 Speaker 5: you know, something hope for everyone, you know, for all 188 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 5: the ethnic groups and for everyone in the country. But 189 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:31,680 Speaker 5: then when she became empower she mainly focused all these 190 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:37,079 Speaker 5: changes for the Bama people. Well, you know, the mainland people, 191 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 5: Like the military was still fucking killing people and killing 192 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 5: ethnic groups. Did they do something, you know, like, so 193 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 5: then for the ethnic groups, what's the difference? 194 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:49,679 Speaker 3: And so while Andy was hopeful that his country might 195 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 3: take a better path, he was not exactly convinced that 196 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 3: things were going to get better. Conflict within his family 197 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 3: eventually pushed him to make the decision to leave. 198 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:00,719 Speaker 5: My dad was very abusive, right, he would be the 199 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 5: shit out of my mouth every day like that. It 200 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:05,439 Speaker 5: was fine, Like it was fine when we were younger. 201 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 5: We couldn't do anything, you know, we just kind of 202 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 5: watched it, right, But the older we got, the more 203 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 5: we involved, the more we try to stop it. But 204 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 5: then we were fight with him too, you know, And 205 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 5: so at some point it became too much, and so 206 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 5: I left my home, I think in twenty sixteen, just 207 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 5: by myself, and I was like, I've been to Messad, 208 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 5: I will go back here, you know. 209 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 3: So Andy lived across the border on his own for 210 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 3: more than five years. He'd fallen in love gotten a 211 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 3: home with his own and set himself up in the 212 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 3: sort of odd jobs you can do without papers or 213 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:40,199 Speaker 3: legal residency. And that's where things were for him when 214 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 3: the top MA dog carried out their coup in early 215 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 3: twenty twenty one. 216 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 5: Twenty twenty one February. First, I was a messout I 217 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 5: was here and yeah, in the morning, I woke up, 218 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 5: called me my girlfriend and as she said, the military 219 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 5: just did a coop in your country. You should call 220 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 5: your family. 221 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:00,320 Speaker 3: The military claimed voter fraud and used that is the 222 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 3: pretext to stay in power. It's a situation that should 223 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 3: be unsettlingly familiar to most of our audience. For a while, 224 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 3: Safe in Maysat, Andy watched it in horror as he 225 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 3: texted with friends and family across the border. 226 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 5: They arrested Ansen Suji and all the big leaders right 227 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 5: at the top. So we were kind of like, okay, 228 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 5: is someone going to tell us what to do? And 229 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 5: especially for us, we didn't have any experiences. We didn't 230 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 5: know anything about any of this that I'm talking about 231 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 5: right now. I didn't have any knowledge of that. But yeah, 232 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:32,319 Speaker 5: so after I think six day the most you cut 233 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 5: off the internet, like for like two days and I've 234 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 5: lost all contact with everyone inside, my family, my friends. 235 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:41,680 Speaker 5: And that's the night I started playing it. Like I 236 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:43,560 Speaker 5: started thinking, oh fuck, I should go back and like 237 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:47,839 Speaker 5: and I saw the protest photos from Yangon. They looked amazing, right, 238 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 5: and I'm like, I'm a photographer. I should be there 239 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:50,959 Speaker 5: and you know, document that. 240 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 4: While Andy was staring at the protest photos from the 241 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:14,079 Speaker 4: capital of mianmar Napodor, as well as Miawiti and the 242 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 4: largest city, Yangn, wondering he should take his camera and 243 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 4: document yet another rising for democracy in his home country, 244 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 4: a young woman named Amiror was in the thick of 245 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 4: those protests and Yangn when the coup started. A mirror 246 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:31,559 Speaker 4: age seventeen, had just finished high school. She was looking 247 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 4: forward to university and more pressingly, looking forward to playing 248 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 4: futsal with her friends. She liked to spend her days crafting, 249 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 4: she says, making little things to gift or to keep, 250 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 4: Like every other day. When she woke up, she spent 251 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 4: ten minutes in medication before facing the world on the 252 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 4: first of February. Hansomsduki was her hero, she says. In 253 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:55,719 Speaker 4: our interview. Her boyfriend translated for her. We'll get to 254 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 4: their story later. But when the coup began, they lived 255 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 4: a world apart. They joined the whole generation and feeling 256 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 4: in rage by Tatmador trying to rip the freedom their 257 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 4: parents would fought for from them, A mirror took her 258 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 4: rage into the street. Someone gave her a bullhorn. 259 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 6: Because of her voice, and then she became the leader, 260 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 6: you know, with the the bullhorn. 261 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, what kind of stuff would you say to the 262 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 5: boat through the bullhorn? 263 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 7: Hello, you don't want you She's saying, uh, this is 264 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 7: anfeil and then uh, this is uh that the arresting 265 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 7: that SUCHI is a anfel not fair? 266 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, okay yeah. 267 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 6: And then and then she believed that, Uh, she believed 268 00:14:54,080 --> 00:15:00,120 Speaker 6: in what San Succhi said, like everything is paused the 269 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 6: wall and we haven't do anything. We haven't studied yet, 270 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 6: and then but when we study and then we can 271 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 6: finish it, so everything is possible. So that's what she 272 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 6: believe in. So she went on the road and then 273 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 6: she brought us. 274 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 4: Across the city from a mirror. On coup day, Miok's 275 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 4: girlfriend woke him up with the news that the government 276 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 4: they'd voted for had been arrested. We're calling him milk 277 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 4: here because that's his name. In the revolution, everyone has one. 278 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 4: Amr's his baby because she's so young yet so fierce. Mewk, 279 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 4: if you're wondering, means monkey. These revolutionaries who have risked 280 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 4: life and limb for each other, didn't know the legal 281 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 4: names to the people. They call their revolution family because 282 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 4: it's safer that way, and we don't either, meowk could 283 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 4: spend the night well, I'll let you hear Harry phrased it. 284 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 1: Actually, I would just like our tailing with my a 285 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: scare for you know. 286 00:15:57,880 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 7: Our tailor. 287 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 1: And we were you know, Nephlis and Chae generary netflist 288 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 1: and I think it's a Sunday. I think it's Sunday 289 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 1: Nephla and ch and we we slid together. 290 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 4: If you didn't catch that, there were Netflix and chilling. 291 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 7: You know. 292 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 1: I was literally not wakere but any louder show. I 293 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 1: was so sleep but but at the full am there's 294 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 1: a po rings and I suddenly wake here there's phone 295 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 1: ring from my girlfriend, her anti call call Call, call Heart, 296 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 1: and she said there's a cool de feast. Oh and 297 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 1: she wake her and she told me there's a cool 298 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 1: of I didn't you know I don't believe it. 299 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 5: I believe it. 300 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 1: I didn't believe it, so other than I chat the 301 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 1: social media, oh sh or may I actually do this? 302 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 1: I'm so angry and I'm so angry, you know. I 303 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 1: was going down downstairs and I told to my family, 304 00:16:57,240 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 1: there's a cool of everyone's angry and I those times 305 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: the internet they cut off. 306 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 4: The next revolutionary we're going to mean is a fellow 307 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:08,400 Speaker 4: will call doctor Wonder because that's his revolution name. When 308 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 4: the coups started, he was just waking up after a 309 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 4: twenty four hour shift at the hospital in Yangon where 310 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 4: he worked. Doctors were some of the earliest and most 311 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 4: visible dissidents in the protests. Their rarity and therefore their 312 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:23,439 Speaker 4: relative value to the regime made them a potent symbol 313 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 4: of the pro democracy movement. But as doctor Wonder made 314 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:30,400 Speaker 4: clear many older medical professionals, we're not at all certain 315 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 4: that resistance was a right move here. 316 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:37,120 Speaker 8: At the morning, I saw the news that bad news, 317 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:38,879 Speaker 8: really really bad news for us. 318 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:47,400 Speaker 9: It was how would I say that they bro you know, yeah, 319 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 9: they broke our future. 320 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 4: Doctors were some of the earliest most visible dissidents in 321 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 4: the pro democracy protests. Their rarity and relative value to 322 00:17:57,080 --> 00:18:00,679 Speaker 4: the regime made them a potent symbol of the Protomok movement, 323 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 4: But as doctor Wonder made clear, many older medical professionals 324 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 4: were not at all certain that resistance was a right 325 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 4: move on that money. 326 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 9: We go back to our our society, our hospital. 327 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 8: We are shen guys, you know, all professors or concernders 328 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:27,400 Speaker 8: did not much interest about that because they told us, 329 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 8: you know, whoever rules our camfe is not our business, 330 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 8: it is one of our seniors, doctors from our society 331 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 8: for our department pool us like that. 332 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:47,120 Speaker 9: But we reply him, no, it should be the last time. 333 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:50,119 Speaker 4: If didn't catch that, he said it should be the 334 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:52,919 Speaker 4: last time, the last time kids had to die in 335 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:56,199 Speaker 4: the streets. They didn't want another generation to have to 336 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:59,200 Speaker 4: go through the same thing. So they got together a proposal, 337 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 4: a sort of manifesto for peaceful, nonviolent resistance, and they 338 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:04,920 Speaker 4: submitted it to their seniors. 339 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 8: We negotiated with our ship you know, young resident, our society, 340 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 8: and we discussed about that, and we plan to start 341 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 8: with one of our prior movement. 342 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 9: Before save a disagreement. 343 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 8: We have got our Red Ripon movement, of course, because 344 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 8: we want to write peacefully on the media. Okay, we 345 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 8: started like that, and then uh, some of our seniors 346 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 8: from our society, they were from Mendally Hospital. Okay, they 347 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:47,359 Speaker 8: accept our propose there, Yes, because our generation has already 348 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:53,679 Speaker 8: passed that difficulties before, but not your generation shouldn't accept that. 349 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 4: Three days before the queue, TK got off a plane 350 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 4: in San Francisco. He's from me in Ma, but he 351 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 4: lives in the Bay Area. Now, before you ask, he 352 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 4: says that the Burmese restaurant there is not as good 353 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 4: as stuff back home. 354 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 10: It's only three days three days before, three days before 355 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:16,719 Speaker 10: I went back to the to the United States, and 356 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:20,879 Speaker 10: I wish I'm staying a youngle and doing the revolution 357 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:25,719 Speaker 10: and a participate in a everywhere that I can, but 358 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:29,120 Speaker 10: that I couldn't do from the from the long distance, 359 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 10: you know. 360 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:32,359 Speaker 6: So that's all I can. 361 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:32,920 Speaker 5: Do for now. 362 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:36,119 Speaker 4: TK had just been in me and Ma. He had 363 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 4: connections to many people on the ground there, his friends 364 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 4: with it, his family were it. When the government cut 365 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:45,440 Speaker 4: off into thee access, he remained able to get good 366 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:49,360 Speaker 4: international reporting on the situation in his home country. Slowly, 367 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 4: he found ways to communicate with his friends and a 368 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:56,159 Speaker 4: growing core of the protesters, taking to the streets. 369 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 10: I was a keyboard fighter. 370 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:03,159 Speaker 6: I have no idea about a politic I have no 371 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 6: idea about the military stuff. 372 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 4: This is a single most common sentiment we've heard across 373 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 4: all the revolutionaries we've met. None of them considered themselves 374 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:16,119 Speaker 4: to be very political. Prior to the coup. They started 375 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 4: marching in the street because the military coup was obviously bad, 376 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:22,239 Speaker 4: but they stayed there because the violence dished out by 377 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 4: the state was so horrific. Save at their house in Maso. 378 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 4: We talked to the boys and these brothers and cousins, 379 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 4: all of whom were living in Napo door when the 380 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 4: coup kicked off. It didn't take him long to try 381 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 4: and join them. 382 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 5: Then I went in. I went to Nyawiti, which is 383 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 5: across the border in your marside, and I was there 384 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:44,160 Speaker 5: for a week and it was it was something else 385 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 5: like I've never been to protests now, I've never been 386 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:50,440 Speaker 5: involved in any of this thing, and I never thought 387 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:53,120 Speaker 5: I would be, you know, like I don't know. I 388 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:54,920 Speaker 5: always thought like I wasn't going to be a part 389 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 5: of it. But when I went there, the first day 390 00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 5: I arrived, there were two hundred thousand people on the street, protest. 391 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:03,359 Speaker 5: And then it's like and this big group of people 392 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 5: walk in streets after street and everyone coming out of 393 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:09,680 Speaker 5: their house and we have this symbol like three fingers 394 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:14,919 Speaker 5: from Hangergang. I think, yeah, yeah, so that's like our 395 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 5: symbol for democracy now or our movement now. And everyone 396 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 5: come out of their house doing that and you know, 397 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:26,679 Speaker 5: like giving us water, food, everything. It was beautiful, like 398 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 5: it was something else. It was something else. And then 399 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 5: from that day I was like hook. I was like, Okay, 400 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 5: this is what I'm going to do. 401 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:32,880 Speaker 9: Now. 402 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:36,119 Speaker 5: I'm going to be a photographer and I'm gonna in this, 403 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:38,440 Speaker 5: you know, and I'm gonna I'm going to take photo 404 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 5: of these people and their stories and I'm gonna share it, 405 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:43,200 Speaker 5: and that's my part, that's my rule. 406 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 4: Soon he found friends among the protesters. Within a few days, 407 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 4: he was feeling a feeling that so many people felt 408 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 4: in twenty twenty. It's a feeling you felt if you've 409 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 4: ever been in the thick of a crowd of people 410 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:59,200 Speaker 4: filled with right tous anger and facing down overwhelmed police 411 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 4: or soldiers. It's a sensation. I can't really described you 412 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,640 Speaker 4: you haven't experienced it, but I can say that there's 413 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,119 Speaker 4: no time that I've ever felt more empowered than the 414 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:11,360 Speaker 4: times I've been crushed, shouldered with strangers, toe to toe 415 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 4: with state violence and watch cops break and retreat. It's incredible. 416 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 4: It's addictive, and if I'm honest, it's probably why Robert 417 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,159 Speaker 4: and I booked a flight to visit a stranger I've 418 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:21,439 Speaker 4: been dming on the ground. 419 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 5: I think after three days, I met this group of people, 420 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:30,119 Speaker 5: young people like students trying to be lawyers and stuff, 421 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 5: and I figured out that they were the ones trying 422 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 5: to organize these big protests, like two hundred people, one 423 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 5: hundred thousand people. They were the ones that's making that happen. 424 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,440 Speaker 5: So I started kind of following them, trying to get 425 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:46,399 Speaker 5: close because I wanted to get stories from them. And 426 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 5: then they became they and they realized what I've been doing. 427 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 5: They've been watching like and so they were like very welcome, 428 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:54,680 Speaker 5: and they took me to this hide out that they 429 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,160 Speaker 5: go to and then we will have discussions and medians 430 00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,159 Speaker 5: about what we should do the next day. Da da 431 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 5: da da. But then kind of it's because it's a 432 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:06,200 Speaker 5: small town, right, Slowly, I think police and military started 433 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:16,119 Speaker 5: realizing that we are that group too. 434 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, demo crazy word. 435 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 6: Oh do. 436 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 4: So by now you're probably wondering what that cover of dust? 437 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 4: And it's a song that boys learned when we first 438 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:43,639 Speaker 4: took to the streets, but it tells the story of 439 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,640 Speaker 4: a previous revelation, one that didn't succeed. 440 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 3: Can you tell us what that song's about? Like, do 441 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 3: you know what the lyrics are and stuff? 442 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:58,400 Speaker 10: And yeah, we can try. 443 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 3: I heard the word democracy in there. 444 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,399 Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure. Yeah, it's like all the lives that 445 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,359 Speaker 5: we democracy. 446 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 9: Yeah. 447 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,399 Speaker 4: Do people use it for the Spring Revolution as well 448 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:10,919 Speaker 4: as eighty eight? 449 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:16,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, because it is the same thing, Tell the world, 450 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 5: and that's the name of the song, tell the world. 451 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 3: It is cool, Yeah, I tell the world. 452 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 5: So basically the song is like, yeah, they sang it 453 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 5: in the back in the eighty eight and then it's 454 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,159 Speaker 5: like we used it quite a lot when when we 455 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:38,360 Speaker 5: were in the protest to Yeah. The lyars are We'll 456 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,199 Speaker 5: keep fighting until the end of the world for the 457 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,920 Speaker 5: sake of history and revolution in our blood and of 458 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:49,119 Speaker 5: the fallen heroes who fought for the democracy. Oh, our 459 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 5: dearest heroes, this is the lene of like heroes, like 460 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 5: yeah and yeah, it goes on and then m hm 461 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 5: m hmm, yeah, basically saying like something like the history 462 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:10,359 Speaker 5: went wrong along the way, but we have to fix it. Yeah, 463 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 5: like the country has shed its blood and how could 464 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:19,200 Speaker 5: they commit such violence to its own people, you know. Yeah, 465 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,879 Speaker 5: and yeah, like they say, like the blood on the 466 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 5: rods and the streets are not dried yet. And for 467 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 5: the sake of these people who die for the democracy, 468 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:35,159 Speaker 5: for fighting for democracy, for the sake of them, we have. 469 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 9: To keep fighting basically. 470 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 5: Yeah. 471 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 4: Now in their exile, they keep singing it to remember 472 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,879 Speaker 4: the first day of the revolution, when the fights were 473 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 4: in the street, not the jungle, before they lost so 474 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 4: many of their comrades. 475 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:52,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, and then there was a night protest in front 476 00:26:52,240 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 5: of the police station. Oh this is they're singing the song. Yeah, 477 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 5: I got very very heated. 478 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 4: The protest, friends were just talking about occurred in reality, 479 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 4: but the song popped up all across the country. 480 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:20,400 Speaker 5: When you played it in Yangon, you will sing it, yeah, 481 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 5: they and ygo. It wasn't one guitar, it was a 482 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:27,719 Speaker 5: whole band. Well, you have like protest sitting down and 483 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:31,680 Speaker 5: then there's a group of people who were playing this 484 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 5: and repeatedly there are a bunch of songs that will 485 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:35,920 Speaker 5: play and then. 486 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,480 Speaker 9: There's like words that we would say. 487 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:46,680 Speaker 5: And yeah, like yeah, I beam gown and you'll see 488 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:48,880 Speaker 5: from the footage how it's. 489 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, how does it make you feel singing it? 490 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 5: Now? 491 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 6: It's scary, you know, it's like. 492 00:27:55,520 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 11: The song, the song is very real. So like at 493 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:06,160 Speaker 11: first we didn't want to play the song. It's too dark, 494 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:12,160 Speaker 11: it's too it's too intense, right yeah, like yeah, but. 495 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 5: It's not like the levers are there like you can 496 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 5: see it. 497 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:16,199 Speaker 10: You know. 498 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,640 Speaker 5: It's like because we've been through it too, so it's 499 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 5: very intense. And yeah, I think the first time I 500 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 5: heard it, like I heard the song, I remember that 501 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:30,199 Speaker 5: we are fewing of Yeah, I still have it like 502 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 5: every time we're saying it now, like this is not 503 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,360 Speaker 5: one of the songs that we usually sing like, it's 504 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 5: not a fun song. 505 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 12: Yeah, bebi album, Oh God, Bedia. 506 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 2: De more Crazy. 507 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,720 Speaker 4: On the next episode, which you'll be able to download tomorrow, 508 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 4: we'll talk about how the Hunter began to clamp down 509 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 4: on the protests. Now, the protesters decided this struggle was 510 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 4: too important to abandon and decided to fight back. Hi everyone, 511 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 4: it's James here. I just wanted to note that lots 512 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 4: of the words in this script are Burmese or Karen 513 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 4: or Thai, and we've made every effort to make sure 514 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 4: that we pronounce them correctly. But we're sure we've obviously 515 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 4: made some mistakes along the way. 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