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Speaker 1: Welcome into the Lounge presented by DraftKings. I'm Ryan mink

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Speaker 1: here with Garrett Downing, and we have taken a deep

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Speaker 1: dive into the film from the Ravens eighteen to sixteen

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Speaker 1: loss in Pittsburgh, and we're gonna try to explain, you know,

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Speaker 1: some of the things that went wrong for fans who

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Speaker 1: are wondering, gosh, you know, why wasn't this the Ravens

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Speaker 1: team that I've been watching in recent weeks and what happened,

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Speaker 1: and also highlight some of the things that went right,

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Speaker 1: because there were positive things to take away from this game.

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Speaker 1: And Garrett, I'll just start out here that initially after

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Speaker 1: the game when we recorded the pod, our instant kind

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Speaker 1: of reaction pod like more of me felt like and

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Speaker 1: I said this, I felt like the Steelers just beat

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Speaker 1: the Ravens, and like, I'm kind of tired of hearing

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Speaker 1: the like, well, we just we only beat ourselves. When

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Speaker 1: I go back and watch the film, there was more

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Speaker 1: beaten of ourselves than I think I felt live. And

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Speaker 1: you still have to give the Steelers credit for getting

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Speaker 1: making some of these turnovers, ripping the ball away, getting

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Speaker 1: a force fumble, all those things.

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Speaker 2: The ridiculous you.

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Speaker 1: Know, interception on the long ball to just still like

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Speaker 1: you still have to give the Steelers credit. But when

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Speaker 1: I looked at the film, there are a fair number

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Speaker 1: of missed opportunities for the Ravens where man like, I

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Speaker 1: don't know why they just missed these opportunities against the Steelers,

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Speaker 1: but if they make those plays as they have for

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Speaker 1: much of the season, it's a much different ballgame.

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Speaker 3: I agree with that, and I when I kind of

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Speaker 3: thought about it, there's the missed opportunities, and then there's

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Speaker 3: like the mis cues, and so like the missed opportunities

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Speaker 3: would be some of the past attempts down the field

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Speaker 3: that didn't happen for either the protection, not holding up

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Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson, not seeing an open receiver, receiver not running

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Speaker 3: the best route. So that's like the missed opportunities, and

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Speaker 3: then the mis cues are when you think about it,

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Speaker 3: and it's fumbling on the second player of the game,

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Speaker 3: and the penalties and the penalties. It's like the turnovers

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Speaker 3: and the penalties, and it's really the fumbles. The interception

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Speaker 3: was kind of a crazy play. I still think you

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Speaker 3: could make the case like just hold onto the ball,

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Speaker 3: but it's a crazy that was a crazy play. But

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Speaker 3: the fumbles really, like, I give the Steelers credit for

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Speaker 3: ripping at the ball and making a good hit, but

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Speaker 3: you just got to hold onto the ball in those situations.

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Speaker 3: And Derek Hennery and Isaiah likely would be the first

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Speaker 3: to say that, And so I think that those are

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Speaker 3: those were clearly situations that hurt the Ravens in this game,

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Speaker 3: cost them dearly.

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Speaker 2: And both of those fumbles that led to six points

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Speaker 2: in a game you lost by two.

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Speaker 3: And so I think that as I've looking at it,

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Speaker 3: taken a kind of a bigger picture of you at it.

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Speaker 2: I'm with you.

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Speaker 3: I have come even more around to the fact that

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Speaker 3: the Ravens beat themselves at times, and those are We're

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Speaker 3: going to talk through a bunch of those instances, you know.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's start with Lamar Jackson, as we oftentimes have.

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Speaker 1: And hey, Lamar's having an awesome season, right, I don't

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Speaker 1: think that this was his best game, you know, And

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Speaker 1: so there were some specific instances where as you alluded to,

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Speaker 1: I think he just you know, didn't see some open

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Speaker 1: receivers in this game, and which is rare for Lamar

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Speaker 1: because his field vision is so good. That's part of

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Speaker 1: what makes him really great. One such as this early

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Speaker 1: in field goal range, and it just looked like like

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Speaker 1: Lamar locked in on Deontay Johnson, as you know, maybe

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Speaker 1: what should have been a touchdown. What could have been

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Speaker 1: a lot of talk yelling into this game about Deontay

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Speaker 1: but that was a factor. I think Lamar Jackson wants

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Speaker 1: him the ball too, right, And on that play in particular,

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Speaker 1: when you go back and watch that, it looked like

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Speaker 1: he didn't leave Lamar a very big window.

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Speaker 2: Or to throw that ball into.

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Speaker 1: I think he was a little too close to the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that play looks like it was clearly schemed up

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Speaker 3: for Deontay Johnson. That was a play for him, and

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Speaker 3: so I can't really fault necessarily the decision to just

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Speaker 2: The first read, he got a step, and you threw

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Speaker 3: Now, it was a pass that sailed a little bit

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Speaker 3: out of bounds, and like you mentioned, Deontay was hugging

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Speaker 3: the sideline up that route, so there wasn't a huge

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Speaker 3: window to throw into. It's I mean, it's painful when

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Speaker 2: He would have been wide open for a touchdown.

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Speaker 3: And so but it's hard. My point is that it's

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Speaker 3: kind of tough to look off the first route if

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Speaker 1: When he released the ball, it wasn't like Deonce was

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Speaker 1: he wasn't really like way open and he wasn't blanketed

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Speaker 1: either like Lamar. It was an anticipation throw, and it

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Speaker 1: was the right anticipation. He anticipated that correctly. He did

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Speaker 1: and you look at like, oh man, this guy was

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Speaker 1: of that is fair, some of it's not right. Some

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Speaker 1: of it's like, well, it's because he had a guy

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Speaker 1: that receiver that was wide open.

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Speaker 2: Like that's part of the nuance.

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Speaker 1: When you go back and watch film, that's hard to

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Speaker 1: that exists, right, And like I said before, what's part

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Speaker 1: part of what's made Lamar so good not only this

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Speaker 1: season but over his career is like oftentimes he has

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Speaker 1: seen those receivers break wide open, or he buys time

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Speaker 1: to see those receivers break quite open. And it felt

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Speaker 2: Been in other games.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like on this one, to your point, part of

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Speaker 3: it is the like, is this a situation where hey,

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Speaker 3: seen it. Like I put it kind of right down

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Speaker 3: the middle honestly on this like the again, the first

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Speaker 2: It was moderately is, Yeah, it was. It was.

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Speaker 3: It could have been there, could have completed that pass

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Speaker 3: and makes the play, So you could have made that play.

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Speaker 3: But it's painful when you look at Zay Flowers runner

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Speaker 3: you have a guy over the middle who comes wide open.

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Speaker 3: But I'll put that one right down the middle in

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Speaker 3: terms of should you have looked off that? And also

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Speaker 3: I'm sure when Lamar was sitting there on the sidelines

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Speaker 3: see how that probably looks, and you see za Flowers

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Speaker 2: Right totally.

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Speaker 1: And there were other ensans Isaiah likely Burg wide open

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Speaker 1: the game was open on the sideline. Lamar kind of

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Speaker 1: whizzing it over his head, you know, so just a

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Speaker 1: miss misthrow. You know, there's a deep crosser debate that

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Speaker 1: he kind of just turfed it a little too much.

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Speaker 1: So it just wasn't as sharp as game. Yeah right,

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Speaker 1: that's fine. Everybody has those games. Lamar Jackson has way

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Speaker 1: fewer than most quarterbacks. Yeah right, so like, but it's frustrating.

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Speaker 1: That's part of the frustration coming out of this game.

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Speaker 1: I thought another interesting wrinkle to this game was that

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Speaker 1: Lamar didn't scramble as much as I thought he might

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Speaker 1: against the Steelers. You know, he had three designed runs

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Speaker 1: he had zero scrambles in this game, which is unusual,

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Speaker 1: It's the second highest rate that any team this season

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Speaker 1: has played man coverage. The Commander's played at fifty percent

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Speaker 1: and so when receivers are cleaning our routes and whatnot,

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Speaker 1: that opens up opportunities for Lamar to take off and

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Speaker 1: didn't have any of those against the Steelers. Now, part

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Speaker 1: a really fast, aggressive defense. They closed down on those

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Speaker 1: can also run a count They can do combos of

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Speaker 1: on Lamar. Like the pressure up, the pressure up front

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Speaker 1: fast linebackers, Namley Patrick, fast linebackers exactly, Patrick Queen. You know,

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Speaker 1: which can certainly throw off the running opportunities Lamar. Kind

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Speaker 1: of they did a good job of not getting behind Lamar,

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Speaker 1: opening up those obvious scramble lanes for Lamar. So I

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Speaker 1: think the Steelers defense knows how to defend Lamar well,

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Speaker 1: how to kind of close some of that stuff up.

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Speaker 1: Were there some opportunities that Lamar didn't take, maybe so,

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Speaker 1: But that was a factor in the game that the

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Speaker 1: Ravens really didn't get anything out of the scramble game,

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Speaker 1: even though the Steelers are.

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Speaker 2: Playing high man and man coverage.

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Speaker 3: on Monday Night Countdown talking about the missed opportunities from

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Speaker 3: a scrambling standpoint, And I think there probably were some

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Speaker 3: plays there where Lamar could have taken off and ran

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well I've noticed is a Steelers breakdown, not an

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Speaker 2: Man, that was an incredible play.

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Speaker 3: That was awesome, And that's like the he's He comes

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Speaker 3: Like, man, you should have just taken the run there.

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Speaker 3: I think that it did not. That approach did not

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, moving on, let's talk about the two

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Speaker 2: I generally like the Ravens.

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Speaker 3: As an overtime team, especially if you come back and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, anyway, we won't torture ourselves like down that path,

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Speaker 1: All the two point different right, different type. One thing

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Speaker 2: And allowed Lamar then to pull the ball and take

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Speaker 1: Now, similarly to the play against the Steelers, the Ravens

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Speaker 1: that crackdown block was on Mike Hilton, their smaller stature

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Speaker 2: Okay, so that's the backstory.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Ravens ear in a very similar, well same position

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Speaker 1: the game. First, they called a run for Lamar to

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Speaker 1: They learned their lesson from years ago when t J.

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Speaker 1: was going to be Lamar and Justin Sill basically one

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Speaker 1: look at what that play was going to be. Raymonds

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Speaker 1: They're going to keep the ball on Lamar Jackson's hands

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Speaker 3: Guess and they and they did say that like that

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Speaker 1: So it's easy to say that after you're successful all

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Speaker 1: By the way, the fact that Lamar that Dereck Henry

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Speaker 1: Nick Krbig did not have to honor that dive. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: so Herbig. The Ravens tried to basically bluff that they

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Speaker 1: He didn't tackle him from behind in backside pursuit, but Herbig,

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Speaker 2: And he didn't do it.

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Speaker 1: Basically did not wall off Herbig fast enough. There also

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Speaker 1: So that was unfortunate. Then Nelly does not execute the

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Speaker 1: It would have been a two on one basically to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, once Herby got in the backfield, that play was destroyed. Yes,

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Speaker 3: it just was blown up.

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Speaker 2: The block.

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Speaker 3: The two pole blockers got caught up in the wash.

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Speaker 3: And this is what John Harbaugh said about it. He

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Speaker 3: a better execute, to play everything along those lines, especially

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Speaker 3: just across the board. So that's what he said just

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Speaker 3: if you don't get a two point diversion at that

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Speaker 2: And that's fair. Like I think that that's fair to

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Speaker 3: It was their second play. I honestly don't know, like

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Speaker 2: I kind of want you to like the first play

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Speaker 2: to be the deep play. Yeah, exactly, can you just

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Speaker 1: I've thought the same thing before. But then if they

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Speaker 2: Our best play, right. It's a tough call.

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Speaker 2: Like is it a situation where it's like a kill

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Speaker 1: Right? Like you go up with your second best play

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Speaker 2: And then they take the time out, you say, hey,

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Speaker 2: Are you just faking this? We actually doing this? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: And I could be completely honest, like I don't maybe

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Speaker 3: But it's like doing rock paper scissors. You go rock

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna I got beat with the paper last time.

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Speaker 1: He definitely doesn't think I'm gonna go back to the.

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Speaker 2: Well seriously, can you do that? Is that? I don't know,

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Speaker 1: So look, here's the thing what I don't like about

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Speaker 3: I also run a dive. They ran Tilan Wallace across right.

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Speaker 1: their best blocking wide receivers. Now, could you put somebody

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Speaker 1: other than a wide receiver in that position? Could it

437
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Speaker 1: be Isaiah Likely who was lined up next to Nilson Agalar,

438
00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:49,399
Speaker 1: but his responsibility seemingly was to just double team Kem

439
00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:52,160
Speaker 1: Hayward along with Ronnie Stanley and help Ronnie with that block,

440
00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:57,840
Speaker 1: or can you motion Justice Hill into the slot Charlie

441
00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:01,680
Speaker 1: Kohler in that position like we Nelson struggled with that

442
00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:04,040
Speaker 1: block against the Bengals on the two winger version and

443
00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:05,919
Speaker 1: he was put back in the same exact position and

444
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Speaker 1: it didn't work out.

445
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Speaker 2: So that's the other thing about it.

446
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Speaker 1: Now, to the play's credit, if Nelly executes that block,

447
00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:18,880
Speaker 1: they probably walk in again. They got two on one.

448
00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:23,120
Speaker 1: Joey Porter Junior has not beaten Tyler linnenbum At McCarry.

449
00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:24,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, so.

450
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Speaker 1: If it's executed right, it works, right, But you have

451
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Speaker 1: to were those guys put in the best position to succeed, right?

452
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Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah, I think that.

453
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Speaker 3: Look, Derek Hennery's the best running back in football. He's

454
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Speaker 3: been so good around the goal line his entire career,

455
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Speaker 3: and so I think that it's a fair criticism to

456
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Speaker 3: say any played within the five yard line, I just

457
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Speaker 3: want Derek Hennery on the field, Like, I understand that

458
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Speaker 3: that point, and I think that like you could just

459
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Speaker 3: say any two point play Derek Cannery should be out there,

460
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Speaker 3: And that's probably like a fine position to take with validity.

461
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Speaker 3: So I think that like that conversation is valid. I

462
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Speaker 3: did have another do you have something else? On two

463
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Speaker 3: point play?

464
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Speaker 1: I was quote to quickly just say the only I

465
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Speaker 1: agree with that what you just said about Derek Henry

466
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Speaker 1: should be out there regardless. You know, the counter point

467
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Speaker 1: to that, if you want to play just Devil's Advocate

468
00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:18,719
Speaker 1: is like, if you know that you're going to keep

469
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Speaker 1: the ball in Lamar's hands, does Justice Hill give you

470
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Speaker 1: a better chance of being a good blocker in that

471
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Speaker 1: situation or Derek Henry, Like Justice Hill's blocking is better

472
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Speaker 1: than Derrick Henry's, right.

473
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Speaker 3: So you can think it may be a pass play,

474
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Speaker 3: but particularly right obviously talking about he.

475
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Speaker 1: Keeps a pass play more open for the defense I

476
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Speaker 1: have to worry about, and it gives you a better

477
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Speaker 1: blocker on the field helping Lamar Jackson. Now they ran

478
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Speaker 1: Justice Hill in the opposite direction, so they didn't even

479
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Speaker 1: use him as.

480
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Speaker 2: A blocker play.

481
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Speaker 1: But he's also better to play Devil's Advocate. Yeah, to

482
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Speaker 1: the case that, like Derek Henry should be on the

483
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Speaker 1: field regardless of anything, Well, sometimes you want your better

484
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Speaker 1: blocker out there and the guy that they have to

485
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Speaker 1: respect as a pass catching weapon.

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Speaker 3: Well, and that's part of it too, Like that's not

487
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Speaker 3: let's not forget about the fact that the his head

488
00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:02,280
Speaker 3: marched all the way down the field and Justice Hill

489
00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:04,639
Speaker 3: was on the field that entire drive and that was

490
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Speaker 3: that he did great, you know, came up with a

491
00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:09,240
Speaker 3: big play on that drive to help put them in

492
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Speaker 3: a position to score that touchdown. So as a receiving threat,

493
00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:14,239
Speaker 3: he's more of a weapon in that regard to so

494
00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:17,280
Speaker 3: he's that could be an option because I've seen the

495
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Speaker 3: point I was going to make is there's been and

496
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Speaker 3: whenever I feel like this happens whenever, like in any

497
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Speaker 3: of the games, it seems like the Ravens have lost

498
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Speaker 3: this year, Like the fan outcries like, just give the

499
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Speaker 3: ball to Derrick Henry more and look, I love giving

500
00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:32,280
Speaker 3: the ball Derrick Henry guys awesome. That he's been everything

501
00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:34,720
Speaker 3: you could have asked for him more. But he didn't

502
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Speaker 3: get any touches in the fourth quarter. And that's been

503
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Speaker 3: like a narrative that's out there, like this guy didn't

504
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Speaker 3: get any touches in the fourth quarter, and then he

505
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Speaker 3: wasn't on the field for that two point play.

506
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Speaker 2: What's up with that?

507
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Speaker 3: Well, if you actually look at the situation at the

508
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Speaker 3: fourth quarter on the drive, the Ravens had been two

509
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Speaker 3: drives with the fourth quarter, and on the first one

510
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,800
Speaker 3: he was out there, and this was the first one.

511
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Speaker 3: Was the play that and the one that ended with

512
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Speaker 3: the Justice Hill interception.

513
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Speaker 1: That was the end of the third quarter beginning of

514
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Speaker 1: the fourth correct.

515
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so that on that drive, Lamar starts it off

516
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Speaker 3: with a big run. Then they run a play to

517
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Speaker 3: Derrick Henry where it's a screen pass to him and

518
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Speaker 3: he gets fifteen yards there. Well, then that play comes

519
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:15,960
Speaker 3: back because of an illegal formation play. Then the next

520
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:17,960
Speaker 3: play is the long pass to Justice.

521
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Speaker 2: Him it was an illegal formation. Illegal man.

522
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 3: He's saying illegal formation, a legal man downfield, and so

523
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:26,080
Speaker 3: then that play gets negated and now it's first and fifteen,

524
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Speaker 3: and then the next play is the interception. Then the

525
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 3: next drive is the touchdown drive that where they go

526
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Speaker 3: marching down the field and.

527
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Speaker 1: Score and pass your down eight year with how much

528
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Speaker 1: time left? Not a lot of time left. You're in

529
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Speaker 1: throw mode.

530
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:42,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, well exactly, but it worked like they moved down

531
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Speaker 3: the field and they scored a touchdown on that drive,

532
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,400
Speaker 3: So like you can criticize not having him out there,

533
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Speaker 3: but the drive and in a touchdown. Now the two

534
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,280
Speaker 3: point version play does change things because now time is

535
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,640
Speaker 3: no longer an element. You're at the two yard line.

536
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:55,680
Speaker 3: You need one play here. So that's a different conversation.

537
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Speaker 2: I think that you said it well earlier.

538
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Speaker 1: I think that there's totally a fair ar to be

539
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Speaker 1: made that in any situation like that, I want Derrick

540
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Speaker 1: Henry on the field. I think that is a totally

541
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:09,120
Speaker 1: fair stance. I think it's also fair to say, like, look,

542
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 1: he's not gonna be out there for every play, and

543
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Speaker 1: there's advantages. You gain some advantages by not having him

544
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Speaker 1: out there in different ways, Like we already said with justice,

545
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Speaker 1: there are some advantages, So both can be true.

546
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I agree with that. I'm with you on that.

547
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Speaker 2: All right.

548
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Speaker 1: So we're talking about these penalties.

549
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Speaker 2: Let's move on to those.

550
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Speaker 1: And you know, penalties have been a problem for the

551
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Speaker 1: Ravens consistently this season, so they just have to they

552
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Speaker 1: just have to clean up more of these, especially holding

553
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 1: calls on running plays. Now you're gonna have more of

554
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Speaker 1: those when a lot of your run game is based

555
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:51,439
Speaker 1: on these stretch runs to the outside. Offensive linemen are

556
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Speaker 1: looking for any kind of little advantage to let Derrick

557
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Speaker 1: Henry get to that edge. And I guarantee you if

558
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Speaker 1: you probably look back on some of these long Derick

559
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:03,440
Speaker 1: Henry runs, that there could have been holding penalties called

560
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:04,640
Speaker 1: on some of those.

561
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 2: Probably, right, there's a.

562
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Speaker 1: Reason why it's a cliche. You could call holding on

563
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 1: every play. Yeah, Unfortunately, the Ravens have been getting called

564
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 1: for a lot. Unfortunately, the Ravens have just been getting

565
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 1: called for a lot of penalties that I don't see

566
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,880
Speaker 1: a lot of other teams getting called for period Ravens

567
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:23,199
Speaker 1: Like in judgement judgment calls, the Ravens have had their

568
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,440
Speaker 1: fair share go against them when compared to their opponents.

569
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Speaker 1: I'll get off my pedestel now before I get fined.

570
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Speaker 1: And I think when specifically looking at this Steelers game, Okay,

571
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,680
Speaker 1: two holding penalties, I think both were legit you look

572
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:44,199
Speaker 1: back on those, they were the right thing to call

573
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:48,399
Speaker 1: those holding penalties. Ronnie's was a little more gray, but

574
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 1: Pat's was definitely a hold. Yeah, So you got to

575
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 1: clean those up, got to be better. Then there's a

576
00:25:55,000 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 1: special team's penalties. Those are worse in my opinion. Obviously

577
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 1: hold on Malie Harrison on a kickoff return, which backed

578
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 1: the Ravens up, I think to the fourteen and then

579
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 1: you have Snoozy Kine with basically a block in the back.

580
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 1: You can't have those technique issues. The Ravens have had

581
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 1: way too many special teams penalties. I mean, it's hurting them.

582
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,680
Speaker 1: Opponents now are basically saying kicking it short of the

583
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 1: end zone, so that because they're thinking, hey, there's a

584
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:24,640
Speaker 1: high chance that we get a penalty here, and they're

585
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 1: backed up.

586
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:26,640
Speaker 2: Not only do we not give them the.

587
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 1: Thirty yard line for free, we're not really now there.

588
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 1: They might get burnt one of these days with Keith

589
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 1: Mitchell and now they're back there with Justice sil like, yeah,

590
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:35,919
Speaker 1: one of these days they're going to get burnt. But

591
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,679
Speaker 1: so far they haven't because the Ravens keep committing penalties

592
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:40,160
Speaker 1: too often.

593
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Speaker 2: You haven't broken a big one. So they're taking their chances.

594
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it paid off, Steelers single chances paid off yep, right,

595
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 1: and like so that's that's that's hurting the Ravens and

596
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:49,879
Speaker 1: hurting the Special teams unit.

597
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 2: They got to clean that stuff up.

598
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 3: You just can't have penalties on kickoff returns, point blank.

599
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 3: It's that simple, like you just can't do it, or

600
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 3: else you're gonna be in situations like they were in

601
00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 3: this game where you're starting at your own fifteen yard line,

602
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 3: your own ted, you're all thick, and that hurts your offense.

603
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,120
Speaker 2: That hurts you, like with a little punt return.

604
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, you can't. You just can't have those

605
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:13,680
Speaker 3: on returns, especially the Steelers. You're right, the Steelers made

606
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 3: them return it primarily.

607
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 2: Well and they're not. It's been, but it's been, but

608
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 2: it's been that people have been.

609
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 3: But even on some of those previously, uh previously they

610
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 3: did have like Chris Collier brought a couple out that

611
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 3: he shouldn't have, And there's instances where you get called

612
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 3: for flags on penalties where you bring it out and

613
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 3: you shouldn't.

614
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 2: And so just taking it at the thirty is.

615
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 1: Pretty good right now if they kick it in the

616
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:39,159
Speaker 1: end zone, just taking it, taking it, But even.

617
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 3: If they're kicking it at the one, just can't. You

618
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 3: can't hold and put your offense in those types of situations.

619
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Speaker 2: It hurts your whole team.

620
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 1: They just point blank have to be better on special teams. Yeah,

621
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Speaker 1: I mean you're not, you're not. You're losing that battle

622
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 1: and so uh and then you know, a couple of

623
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 1: false starts, one on Za Flowers, one on Nelson Aguilre

624
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 1: just just flinched.

625
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 2: Both were hurtle.

626
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, an off side penalty on defense, but really it

627
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 1: was offense and special teams.

628
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 2: It killed them.

629
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 1: It backed up too many drives and put them into

630
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,120
Speaker 1: you know, I think one of those false starts made

631
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: a third and four third nine. That's a very different

632
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,160
Speaker 1: play at that point. And so those things, the false

633
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,199
Speaker 1: starts can't happen. You just got you know, that's the

634
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 1: what Todd Monkin look likes to call the drag the

635
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 1: Ravens offense. And I'm sure we'll probably say this on Thursday.

636
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: When you combine the turnovers and the penalties, they had

637
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 1: too much drag. They couldn't overcome it. The Ravens have

638
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,400
Speaker 1: overcome a lot this season. They've they've been pretty good

639
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 1: at overcoming this stuff because they're an explosive and just

640
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 1: generally really good offense. But it was too much in

641
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 1: this game for them to overcome. And we want them

642
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 1: with a parachute on their back.

643
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, when you talk about the point you made at

644
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 3: the outset, which is the unforced airs and h shooting

645
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 3: yourself on the fence of this.

646
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 2: That's all plays into it exactly.

647
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 1: The other penalties, sorry to round out the penalties conversation,

648
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 1: is the illegal man downfield.

649
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 2: I actually have a little.

650
00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 1: Bit more sympathy on both of those, and both were

651
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 1: called on Pat McCarey. One was a screenplay to Derrick

652
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: Henry that the Steelers defensive lineman just made a good play.

653
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 1: He didn't really take the bait. He got his hands

654
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 1: in the throwing lane. He was rating Lamar's throwing lane.

655
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 1: Lamar kind of had to pump the ball, hold it

656
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 1: a little longer than he wont too, and then float

657
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: it over top of him. That just screwed up the

658
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 1: whole Screenplays are all about timing. Everything is about timing,

659
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 1: and the Ravens have been awesome on screenplays all year.

660
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 1: They've really kind of mastered that timing. But it didn't

661
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 1: work on this play. That timing threw off the play

662
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 1: and that's why you had Liman who were too far

663
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 1: up the field because the ball didn't get out on time,

664
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: to no fault of Lamars. And then the second one

665
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 1: was also on Pat McCarey. That was an interesting play

666
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 1: because it was third and four. John Harboll said it

667
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 1: was a run play. What I think it was was

668
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 1: he faked the handoff to just sell on the dive

669
00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 1: as an RPO or an option play, a fake handoff

670
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 1: to Justice, but TJ. Watt did not barely bite on

671
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: that and he came hard charged into the backfield. Lamar

672
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 1: made a great play just to allude getting sacked right

673
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 1: there by TJ Watt, but that forced him back into

674
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 1: the backfield a little bit longer. What I think was

675
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 1: he was supposed to keep that. It was a keeper

676
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: run that was going to put him basically one on

677
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 1: one with Minka Fitzpatrick down the hash mark on third

678
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 1: and four and probably an easy chain mover right there.

679
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 1: But TJ Watt just made a great play kind of

680
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 1: forcing Lamar back that allowed Mega Fitzpatrick to close it down.

681
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 1: Lamar probably wouldn't have gotten the first down running, so

682
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 1: he decided I need to throw and make something happen.

683
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 1: To his credit and to Nelson Agular's credit, it was

684
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 1: backyard football seemingly, and Nelson just broke that took it deep.

685
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 2: Lamar made a great throw.

686
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 1: Nelson made it even better catch kind of pirouetting in

687
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 1: mid air to make that ketch. It was a great play, which,

688
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 1: by the way, if he doesn't catch that ball, the

689
00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 1: Steelers just declined the penalty. It's fourth down and the

690
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 1: Ravens and that was a touchdown drive. Yeah, So like

691
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 1: that was a huge catch by Nelson Aguilor to make

692
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 1: that catch to give the Ravens a chance to even

693
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: convert that on the next play and then go down

694
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 1: and score on the Zay Flowers sixteen yard touchdown pass.

695
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:16,479
Speaker 1: So but Pat McCarey on that plate A, he thinks

696
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: it's designed to be a run, which you can't have

697
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 1: him an eligible man downfield on a run. B. He

698
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 1: got tripped up, and I don't think necessarily recognized that,

699
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 1: Oh this went from a run to a pass, So

700
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 1: I need to make sure I'm not going down the field.

701
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 1: And then see he kind of lost awareness, maybe because

702
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: of he went to the ground and got back up

703
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 1: or whatever, and just kind of let himself fade up field.

704
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 1: Tyler Linnerbaum, who did not trip recognized this and wisely

705
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 1: backed up. He had the awareness to say, I need

706
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: to get back because this is a throw now. Mcarey

707
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 1: did not recognize that and thus did not get back.

708
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 1: On the very next play, Lamar Lamart again had to fade, fade, fade,

709
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 1: fad fade, and tried to and threw across his body

710
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 1: to Justice Hill. Pat mc erry wisely on that when

711
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: you can see him. He learned his lesson quickly. On

712
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: the very next play, you see Pat kind of getting

713
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 1: up field and then going, oh no, I gotta retreat

714
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 1: any back.

715
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 2: Pedals to get back on the right side.

716
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 3: It is tough for these offensive linement, especially in this offense,

717
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 3: with the way that the Ravens play and the way

718
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 3: that Lamar Jackson extends plays. You just to hold up

719
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 3: your block and to have great awareness of where you

720
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 3: are on the field. It's a difficult assignment.

721
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 2: Yes, it does. The NFL's yeah, that's all sense a lot.

722
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's if you look around the league this scene.

723
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's an official point of emphasis,

724
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 3: but it seems to be something. Just on Monday Night Football,

725
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 3: first play of the game and Nico Collins six of

726
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 3: past seventy seven yards for a touchdown. Boo bringing on

727
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 3: back illegal man downfield. You're seeing it all across the league,

728
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 3: and so I think that that is something that you

729
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 3: just need to be aware of really offensive lineman.

730
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 1: I know, it's like it's especially when like the one

731
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 1: on Pat on the second round, Pat he's not even

732
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 1: involved in the play at all, on the throat of Nelly,

733
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 1: like he's on the opposite side the field. He's not.

734
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 1: It had no bearing on the play whatsoever. And like

735
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 1: it just feels kind of ticky tack to me. But

736
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 1: I mean, the rules are the rules for a reason,

737
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 1: and so you can't a fault officials for enforcing the

738
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 1: rules as they are written. But it just feels so

739
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 1: ticky tack. And I don't know, I don't know if

740
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 1: there's something that we can do this off season and

741
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 1: be like, guys, let's let's de emphasize this a little bit,

742
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, we don't have to

743
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 1: be so strict about this.

744
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 2: Does anyone get ever really fired up about?

745
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 3: Man, there's a legal man down field penalty that I'm

746
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 3: glad that took a big play to Nelson Aguiler off

747
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 3: the board because that was that that was really Pat

748
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 3: McCarey strolling two yards upfield was definitely something that had

749
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 3: a major impact on that play.

750
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:35,479
Speaker 2: Now, what it would impact it?

751
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 1: Like if he de emphasizes his screens, Yes, teams would

752
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: just start running screens and blocking down the field like crazy,

753
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 1: you know.

754
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 2: So that's why it exists. Basically, there's a reason that

755
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 2: it's there, but it is frustrating when a play it

756
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 2: has nothing would do with it.

757
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 1: Honestly, what I see when I watched the tape more

758
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 1: is wide receivers blocking way too early on on rub

759
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 1: plays and wide receiver bubble screens that I the other

760
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: teams run in and they're blocking way too early, and

761
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 1: I don't see those getting flagged. That's what I see

762
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 1: more often than the stray lineman who loses. Yeah, you know,

763
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,800
Speaker 1: focus in these half a yard too far down outside

764
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 1: of the box. All right, I'll get off my stool again.

765
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm in raant mode.

766
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 1: The film's got me fired up. All right, let's take

767
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 1: a break and when we come back, we're going to

768
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 1: point to the good stuff that happen.

769
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:26,359
Speaker 2: I'll be feeling a lot better.

770
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:28,840
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Speaker 2: That's where you can enter.

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Speaker 3: So in terms of what went right in this game,

787
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 3: I think there's there's plenty to like in the defense.

788
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 3: I think probably this game where the Bills game was

789
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 3: the best overall defensive showing of the season, Well.

790
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's time to give the secondary some love. Right,

791
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 1: They've taken plenty of not love funny heat all season long, exactly,

792
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 1: and so time to love him up a little bit.

793
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:30,439
Speaker 2: And the Ravens.

794
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 1: Obviously kind of switch things up, particularly at safety and

795
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 1: going with Kyle Honilton in the art areas Washington as

796
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 1: the starters who really played all but one snap. Kyle

797
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,959
Speaker 1: left the field for one snap. Those your guys, and

798
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,240
Speaker 1: and it was also a role change for Kyle Houlson

799
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,839
Speaker 1: because he played deeper safety a lot more. He's used

800
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 1: to playing in the box, playing even dime, playing nickel corner,

801
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,879
Speaker 1: but he played kind of deep free safety a lot

802
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 1: more in this game. And it was really cool to

803
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 1: still see him have an impact, you know, body slamming

804
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 1: Naji Harris and he tries to hurdle him, coming up

805
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 1: and making plays in the run game. Kyle Hamilton, you know,

806
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 1: I think he proved, hey, I'm not just this guy

807
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,320
Speaker 1: who's this Swis's army knife around the line of scrimmage

808
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,479
Speaker 1: and all that stuff, Like I can be this deep

809
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: safety too and still have an impact. Because that's really

810
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 1: part of the reason why the Ravens don't play him

811
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: back there is because he's so good, he's so physical,

812
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 1: he's he's so good closer to the line of scourage

813
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: that you're like, man, I don't want to take that

814
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 1: away from him, even though yeah, he can be rangy

815
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: and do all those things on the back end two.

816
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 1: But the Ravens basically because of they've struggled with their

817
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:45,319
Speaker 1: play at safety. He said, all right, as much as

818
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: we don't want to take Kyle Hamilton out of some

819
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:49,399
Speaker 1: of these things that he does well near the line

820
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 1: of scourage, we need his help and the deeper secondary.

821
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 1: And hey, he's still made plays coming up, you know,

822
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 1: in support also, so when in scenario. I also really

823
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 1: like the communication that he had with our areas Washington.

824
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: You can saw it sometimes on you know, keeping the Steelers,

825
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 1: particularly in the red zone out of out of the

826
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: end zone. Saw good coverage by those guys, just like

827
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: there weren't busts that you saw them talking, communicating with

828
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 1: each other. I thought that was really encouraging. So I

829
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 1: was happy with what I saw on that change.

830
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 2: I think you have.

831
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 3: More depth and over and top line ability right now

832
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:29,280
Speaker 3: if you move Kyle to the role that the Ravens

833
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 3: had him in in this game, because at second or

834
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 3: at cornerback, you can insert Nate Wiggins into the lineup more,

835
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:37,959
Speaker 3: which the Ravens did in this game.

836
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 2: He played like.

837
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 3: Almost eighty percent of the snaps. And then you can

838
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:42,320
Speaker 3: move Marlon Humphrey into the slide.

839
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 2: He's another just physical dog.

840
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 1: I mean he and he and Kyle play the game

841
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:47,479
Speaker 1: in similar ways.

842
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 3: Yes, so you have Marlon Humphrey who can play the slote,

843
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,760
Speaker 3: and then you can have outside corners as Nate Wiggins,

844
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:53,319
Speaker 3: Brandon Stevens or.

845
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:55,240
Speaker 2: Exactly.

846
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 1: Now that you have more depth that you're outside corner,

847
00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 1: now that frees up Marlon basically to play more than

848
00:37:59,640 --> 00:37:59,879
Speaker 1: the slot.

849
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 3: He played a lot more exactly, and so you're basically

850
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 3: subbing in Marlin to the slot position and dropping Kyle

851
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 3: Hamilton back. Safety is where the Ravens are really struggling

852
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 3: more so they've had some issues at cornerback, but more

853
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,400
Speaker 3: of the issues have been on the back end at

854
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 3: safety compared to where they are at corner. So you

855
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 3: have the players at corner move Kyle Hamilton back into

856
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 3: that safety spot more traditional role. And it was I

857
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 3: think a good showing from our Darius Washington. And this

858
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 3: is a guy who look he's a former undrafted guy,

859
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 3: battle with injuries and for him to get his chance

860
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:31,919
Speaker 3: here to start, I think this says a lot about

861
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 3: him and I think he's played well. And John Harbot

862
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 3: said this is going to be the plan moving forward.

863
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,280
Speaker 3: The plan moving forward is gonna be our Darius Washington.

864
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 3: Kyle Hamilton is the starting safeties. That's what you're looking at.

865
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 3: And the Ravens have rotated between Marcus Williams and Eddie

866
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 3: Jackson this year. Well, it looks like it's going to

867
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 3: be Kyle Hamilton, our Daris Washington. Those are your two

868
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 3: starting safeties.

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00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:49,399
Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 1: And the Ravens gave up five passing plays of fifteen

871
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 1: or more yards, so that's still more than you would

872
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 1: want to see. Two of those were on Brandon Stevens.

873
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 2: One. You know, it's hard to fault them, but a

874
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 2: beautiful moon ball. It was the.

875
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,800
Speaker 1: Classic Russell Wilson moon ball down the sideline to Pickens.

876
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 1: Dropped it in a bucket. Stevens closing coverage has been

877
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 1: the story of Stephen Stephen's season, closing coverage but not

878
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: quite there. Yeah, you know, great throw, good catch by Pickens.

879
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 1: And then the second one was on Stevens. It's a

880
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 1: short route, comeback route to Pickens. Now, Pickens is good

881
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 1: with the ball in his hands and he makes a

882
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 1: lot of cornerbacks miss. He made brand Stevens miss on

883
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,280
Speaker 1: the tackle attempt and he took it for a seventeen

884
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: yard game gain. But most importantly, none of the big

885
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 1: plays fifteen yards or more were on the Ravens safeties

886
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: right could be credited to those guys.

887
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:44,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, the other the other.

888
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 1: Another one was a screen pass to Najie that just hit.

889
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 1: And then there are two to their big old blocking

890
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:55,280
Speaker 1: tight end Darnell Washington, who by the way, is eleven

891
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 1: inches taller and eighty four pounds heavier than Ard Arias.

892
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 1: Washington and art Arias had to make the tackle on

893
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: both of those yeah, in which Darnel Washington basically both

894
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,720
Speaker 1: plays happened after Rokwan Smith was off the field, which,

895
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: by the way, this was Roqwan's best game of the season,

896
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 1: I think, And you noticed when he left the field,

897
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:17,439
Speaker 1: the Ravens had problems stopping the run more now. They've

898
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 1: had problems on passes over the middle all season, but

899
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 1: the Steelers hit two right behind where Rocon would have been.

900
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 2: One.

901
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 1: Malie Harrison kind of got caught in now a man's land,

902
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 1: Darnel Washington got behind him. The other Darnel Washington basically

903
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 1: powered his way past Trenton Sipson's coverage and got open

904
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 1: on the kind of again that level between the linebackers

905
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 1: and the safeties. But I don't looking back on an

906
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 1: old film, I don't think either of those plays are

907
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 1: really the fault of the safeties.

908
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought you did notice the difference when Rokwan

909
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 3: Smith wasn't out there. Just a note too on Rokwan Smith.

910
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 3: He wears the green dot, as most people know. When

911
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,800
Speaker 3: he's out, Kyle Hamilton takes over that role. So there's

912
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 3: as you talk about Kyle Hamilton take on even more.

913
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 3: It will communication and just a lot on his plate

914
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 3: of being the back end safety and also coming up

915
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 3: at times play at the line of scrimmage and playing

916
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:07,839
Speaker 3: all these different positions. Communication is key. He will take

917
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 3: over that green dot. He did take over the green dot,

918
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 3: and if Rokwan he misses any time here with his

919
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 3: hamstring injury, I would expect that which to be Kyle

920
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 3: moving forward.

921
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, but a very positive big takeaway from this game

922
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: is improved secondary play and if that continues, if then

923
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 1: this Ravens team is going to be really, really good.

924
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 1: Because I don't think the offensive struggles are going to

925
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 1: be a theme. I don't think that's going to be

926
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 1: a trend. The offense is going to be good. Yeah, okay,

927
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 1: not worried about it. Lamar is going to have many

928
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 1: more game great games this season, and the whole thing

929
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 1: is just going to click once they get rid of

930
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 1: the drag and they're not playing against Steelers, which, by

931
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 1: the way, you just got to the film shows the

932
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 1: Steelers are good. Defense are just point blank they're a

933
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: good d They know how and they know how to

934
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: defend the Ravens. Well, they've got the Ravens number right now,

935
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 1: and so when the Ravens are not playing the Steelers,

936
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,399
Speaker 1: I think this offense will be even better.

937
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,319
Speaker 2: Well Trdavious way too, I mean you mentioned I'm sorry, yeah,

938
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 2: we should have mentioned Trevious.

939
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 3: Wait. I think that's a real bright spot for this defense.

940
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 3: He came in his first game, he ended up growing

941
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 3: his role within the game. In the fourth quarter, he

942
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 3: took over as the outside cornerback. Really it's tapping in

943
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 3: for Brandon Stevens there, and he had a couple of

944
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 3: pass breakups in the end zone and it was in.

945
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 1: Pickens, who, by the way, is really good at making

946
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 1: those play.

947
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 3: He makes he wins a lot of those one on

948
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 3: one jump balls, and Russell Wilson was given him chances

949
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 3: in testing the new guy and Tredevius White held up well,

950
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 3: So I think that his role is only going to improve.

951
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 1: I don't think we're gonna I don't think well said

952
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:37,760
Speaker 1: it's going to expand. Yeah, I don't think it's a issue.

953
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 3: I would be surprised if it's a situation where all

954
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 3: of a sudden he's taking one hundred percent of the snaps.

955
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 2: Like, I don't think that's the case.

956
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,879
Speaker 1: I think it's going to be a shared duties between him,

957
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 1: Stevens and Wiggins basically, and and Marlon will still get

958
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:49,839
Speaker 1: some snaps out there.

959
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 2: But Marlin's gonna playe hundred percent of snaps. I think

960
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 2: we're close to it. He base almost did in this

961
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 2: game a lot. Yeah, he's and that's going to be

962
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:56,879
Speaker 2: the case.

963
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 3: I mean, Marlin, Marlin is having He's got five interceptions

964
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 3: on the season, which is his career highest previous.

965
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 1: Career was arguably his best season of his career. Yeah,

966
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 1: he's playing really well. I mean, let's not overlook the

967
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 1: interception in this game, which was a huge player.

968
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 3: It felt like, honestly, when that interception happened, it felt like,

969
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 3: this is the Marlin interception that gets the Ravens.

970
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:16,879
Speaker 2: Bengals game all over again.

971
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,879
Speaker 1: The interception late against the Bengals and the Ravens first

972
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 1: win against the Bengals.

973
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, and like in multiple over the Ravens wins, they

974
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:25,839
Speaker 3: need they've needed to play on defense, and it's been

975
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:27,479
Speaker 3: Marlin to come up with the interception he did against

976
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 3: the Bengals. He did it against Tampa. He yeah, he

977
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 3: did it against the Bengals the second game. That turned

978
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 3: that game around. And then it felt like in the

979
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 3: Steelers game, it was like, all right, here you go.

980
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 3: Now we were just waiting for it.

981
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 2: We got it and came up two point conversion short

982
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 2: of tying it. Obviously, a couple other defensive notes that

983
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 2: I just want to shout out.

984
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 1: I think some people were surprised by Tavius Robinson got

985
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 1: a lot of snaps. David a Jabo was a healthy

986
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:53,919
Speaker 1: scratch for the third time in four weeks. Tavia's actually,

987
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 1: I think had more snaps than Adafeoway. Part of that

988
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 1: is his physicality, and you that on tape. In this game,

989
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: he he tossed, Yeah, he tossed one dude to make

990
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 1: a stop. I thought Tavius had a good game and

991
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 1: he's going to play more snaps against the Steelers just

992
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: by nature of what this game is.

993
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 2: He's a good fit for this rivaler.

994
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: He is a good fit, and I thought Ada Oway

995
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:20,359
Speaker 1: obviously two and a half sacks deserves a shout out.

996
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 1: Made the most of his opportunities, and that's usually with

997
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 1: the DAFE. There's been so many close calls. Man just

998
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 1: didn't quite get him. He was so close. Hey, this

999
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: one he paid fewer snaps and he made him count.

1000
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:33,359
Speaker 2: And to see some of.

1001
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 1: His moves really pay off and work. You know, you

1002
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 1: hope that this is the start of another run for

1003
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:40,799
Speaker 1: him where he can kind of heat up here down

1004
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: the stretch.

1005
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 3: Well, two weeks ago is Matt a bk who had

1006
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 3: the big game. Now it's o way and you hope

1007
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 3: that both of that was playing NOI Yeah, it seems

1008
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 3: like there's just a different pass rusher. He just kind

1009
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 3: of goes off, and they need some of those guys

1010
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 3: to double that up. Yeah, I mean, I think it'll

1011
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 3: be interesting because the Raves have all three of those guys,

1012
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 3: could by the time the season's over, be right, could

1013
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 3: all get to double digits potentially potentially, especially if they

1014
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:05,320
Speaker 3: have games with two and a half or three sacks

1015
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,439
Speaker 3: like like Away and that a beakave had.

1016
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 2: So we'll see if any of those guys.

1017
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 3: End up getting a double digit double digits by the

1018
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 3: time it's all said and done. One other random note

1019
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:15,760
Speaker 3: for me, just going back to the offense very briefly.

1020
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 3: I feel not that this would make any difference in

1021
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 3: the game, but it makes somewhat of a difference when

1022
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 3: you're looking at Lamar Jackson the season.

1023
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 2: I feel like the interception should.

1024
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:30,359
Speaker 3: Be ruled a force tumble at fumble recovery, like Justice

1025
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 3: Hill took three steps space and it's hard to tell exactly,

1026
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 3: and that's part of the reason that they went with

1027
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 3: the interception is because you can't tell exactly when the

1028
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:40,320
Speaker 3: ball got stripped and when he hit the ground and

1029
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 3: all that. But it feels to me like he took

1030
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 3: three steps.

1031
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 1: And then Justice caught the ball first clearly, Oh, we

1032
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 1: definitely caught the ball right, and he caught the ball

1033
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 1: and then he took three steps, and I feel like

1034
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,280
Speaker 1: then it should be a forced fumble and you should

1035
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:56,240
Speaker 1: take that interception off the books for Lamar.

1036
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:57,720
Speaker 2: It's an interesting case.

1037
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 3: I don't think they're going to change anything, but I

1038
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 3: feel like it should be a fumble, not an interception.

1039
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:05,359
Speaker 1: I think I think you make a fair point. I mean, look,

1040
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 1: Lamar has been awesome at taking care of the ball

1041
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 1: this year. That's been one of his strengths of the season.

1042
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 1: I mean that interception isn't on Lamar.

1043
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:14,879
Speaker 2: It was great.

1044
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 1: It was a great throw. Yeah, great throw. Weill were out,

1045
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 1: great throw. The other one, there's another one that bounced

1046
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 1: off Bateman's hands. I think it was throw was a

1047
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 1: little bit behind him, bounced off Bateman's hands. Yeah, he's

1048
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 1: only throwing three picks this year. What was the other one?

1049
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:32,879
Speaker 2: I don't even remember what it was Andrews. Yeah, yeah.

1050
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 1: And then there's one that bounced off Andrews. Thank you

1051
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 1: very much, Brayson. Yeah, good memory. Yeah, one that went

1052
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 1: off Andrews's hands. Again, the throw wasn't perfectly a little outside,

1053
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 1: tough catch, but none of those like you look at

1054
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:47,880
Speaker 1: the Russell Wilson interception. That was one hundred percent of

1055
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, just a bad, bad decision. Lamar has not

1056
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:53,720
Speaker 1: had this yeah on him.

1057
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 3: And on this play, maybe there wasn't a full time element.

1058
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 3: I mean that hit play like he's going to the ground.

1059
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 3: He may have gotten three feet down by it really quick.

1060
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 3: So is there a time element?

1061
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1062
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:04,360
Speaker 3: Again, it doesn't make any difference in the game. But

1063
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 3: just as you're looking at Lamar Jackson the season a

1064
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 3: whole want the SaaS correction there.

1065
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,319
Speaker 1: Hey, I'm I'm down with it. I'm down with it all.

1066
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 2: I want to read one email here.

1067
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,240
Speaker 3: This comes to us from Marcellus Ross, who says, hey, fellas,

1068
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 3: I've noticed a pattern with makes big wins at the

1069
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 3: end of the podcast. The more obnoxious the big win

1070
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 3: is the worst we play. I know we have played

1071
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,320
Speaker 3: like a raven that mentality. Can we keep that mindset

1072
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 3: in mind during the end of the podcast.

1073
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 1: Well, obnoxious is the key word here, just a good

1074
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 1: adjective for me in general. I agree, Marcellas, you agree,

1075
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 1: I agree, I agree. I think it's time it's time

1076
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 1: to retire the.

1077
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:44,879
Speaker 2: Really wait, I do. I think it's time.

1078
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 1: You know, it's had a good run. It's had a

1079
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:49,879
Speaker 1: good run. All good things have to come to an end.

1080
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 1: Good things in air quotes depending on you know, something

1081
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 1: like the big wins.

1082
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 2: Some people don't clearly.

1083
00:47:56,640 --> 00:48:00,879
Speaker 1: So we were men men of the people, and we

1084
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 1: listen to our lounge listeners, and I think it's time

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Speaker 1: to retire the big win.

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Speaker 2: Well, I have thought for a while.

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Speaker 3: Like if you do the big win for every single game, like,

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Speaker 3: is there a big win?

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Speaker 2: Like they're all I've tried to scale it.

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Speaker 1: You know, some are bigger than others, you know, like

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Speaker 1: if it were the Super Bowl, I mean I'd just

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Speaker 1: be horse.

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Speaker 2: I'd have no voice at the.

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Speaker 1: End of that. So, like I've tried to kind of

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Speaker 1: do that, but it's hard every end. The Ravens have

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Speaker 1: played a lot of big games this year. Gosh, back

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Speaker 1: on our schedule. I mean, honestly, those the losses to

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Speaker 1: the Raiders and the Browns, that's what it really hurts.

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Speaker 2: It hurts those hurt.

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Speaker 1: But but anyway, back to the point, it's retired. No

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Speaker 1: more big win.

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Speaker 2: You saw the riding on the Wall. You took a good, long,

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Speaker 2: hard It's.

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Speaker 1: A film review of myself. Sometimes you got to go

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Speaker 1: back to the film. You gotta be a harsh critic

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Speaker 1: of yourself. You gotta look in the mirror.

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Speaker 2: All good things coming. I'm looking in the mirror.

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Speaker 3: It's time to retire, all right, good run good We'll

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Speaker 3: put the jersey up on the rafters as always, you

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Speaker 3: can email us at the Lounge at Ravens NFL dot net.

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Speaker 3: We're going to get Marcello's shirt there for that email,

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Speaker 3: and you can always email us send us your emails.

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Speaker 3: If we read your email on the air, we're going

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Speaker 3: to make sure that we send a Lounge T shirt

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Speaker 3: your way.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening. We'll be back with

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Speaker 2: you again later this week.